Still think the teaparty ain’t racist, Cain? 

Naaaah. Couldn’t be. Even when the SIGNS are all around you.

Surprise, Tea Party is racist

On another note, inquiring minds want to know if Cain is **really** a friend of ”the blacks…” like the Trump is.

That’s a big brush you got there. Is it heavy? Put it down for a while and take a break.

Dear Mr. Cain, I have been supportive of your candidacy, thus far. HOWEVER, I suggest that you look into the matter of the “rock” and Mr. Perry BEFORE you speak to the matter. You have either used this non-issue to advance your own candidacy or you have spoken without adequate information- either one is a disturbing action. Please talk to Mr. Perry or read something other than a biased, race-baiting article in the Washington Post before making a judgment.

When’s the last time you saw obama hangin in the hood? Yea, me either.

Yeah you find a lot of CEOs in the hood as well

This will be the end of Herman Cain. The Conservatives/Republicans/Tea Baggers were trotting him around as it made them look more inclusive and less racist. Now that Herman Cain has made the mistake of speaking the truth, he will be dumped swiftly.

Broad…You just showed all an great example of “Logic Failure!”

Cain just lost any chance he might have had of winning anything.

Last time I checked Cain referred to the majority of African American voters as brainwashed. Broad brush?

Oh, you have one of those goalposts on wheels, neato!

Wow! A candidate who actually used a “non-issue” to advance his candidacy?? This is shocking! Shocking!!

Not to worry. He never had a chance.

What I find particularly disgusting is that this idiot lived through segregation and STILL can’t recognize racism even after it forced his little butt to sit in the back of the bus, drink from a “blacks only” water faucet, and stay on “his side” of the line. He is in the worst state of denial I’ve ever seen. And for that reason (that reason is ‘denial’ for you dummies), he’s as dangerous as Bush was on the realities of WMD.

WTF?

Must be why cain posts are the most popular. ;)

Seriously, what part of that confused you?

When’s the last time you saw obama hangin in the hood?

You are NEITHER thoughtful nor bright. Your grammar looks like it came from the trailer park.

The Washington Post story was a bogus smear. The name of the ranch was not named N****rhead. It’s what the locals called it and the word was painted on the rock a long time ago by only God knows who. Perry’s parents painted over the word because they were offended by it. The rock was then turned over so not even the painted over name was visible. I really think you’re being unreasonable here. 

So Perry is going to catch trouble for a camp lease he didn’t name and did what he could to change. And I expect the ever liberal “gotcha” press will be all over him on this.

Obama, on the other hand, spends 20 years in a church that spewed leftist and anti-America hatred as well as hanging out with the likes of leftists Bill Ayres and Bernardine Dohrn and the press gives him a free pass. Go figure.

The black conservative is a moron. An Oxy moron.

White flag so soon?

on point. THX! It’s amazing how all inclusive the race baiters tend to be.

Figures the Texan couldn’t answer the question. But here’s a hint.

The THREAD is about CAIN, idiot.

How thoughtful…

c’mon, let’s be realistic. It might not be African Americans are ‘broad brushed’ as much as too many (NOT ALL) are accustommed to being nurtured by the Liberal state.

Cain is just more color-blind than you apparently are.

He is right about Christie being too liberal but just lost my vote by playing the race card

Let’s be honest here….if the Perry family had actually got rid of the rock completely they would have been crucified by PETR….People for the Ethical Treatment of Rocks. There would have been a national scandal with billboards along the highways showing the distraught family of said rock. The mind reels…..no really…..it reels…

Isn’t it Happy Hour somewhere in the world right now?

ooooooooohhhhhhh he said niger! He said that word! 

CAIN 9-9-9
NUMBERS I NEED NUMBER
Total National Income—-12,000 B
Total Consumer Spend–10,000B
9% of 12,000=1080
9% 10,000=900
1980 will not cover 3800 budget

I / we see Cain as a Conservative just as I / we see Obama as a Liberal. It isn’t always about color (or faith, or geography or…or…etc, ect) as the typical race baiter (read: Lib) sees it.

What?

ChickaBOOMer| Rick Perry: Between A Rock and a Hard Place
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2011/10/rick-perry-between-rock-and-hard-place.html

I agree, and he’s confusing the hell out these repulikkans!

When’s the last time you saw obama hangin in the hood?

Condemning the actions of a racist is playing the race card? LOL – You righties are hilarious.

He went to church in the hood, but nobody liked that idea so he doesn’t visit “us” anymore.

N*gger

Not only did he recognize it but he addressed it directly, where did you see denial in that clip…  you are blinded by your ideology…  Cain just does not want to come off as a fool like you, he without going overboard has as much as given Perry notice that there is something for Perry to explain.  The topic will be a lively on, Cain does not have to go all AL SHARPTON on this issue he can let people like you and MSNBC do that for him.  

Not a good name for a camp.

It was the name of a rock just like hundreds of other rocks and mountains all over the world with the same name.

Presidential candidates are subject to intense scrutiny and should be prepared to handle attacks from all angles. it sounds like Perry has responded to this in a timely manner. President was criticized for his affiliation and denounced his ties to that church.

So you addressed 2 of the 3 nines….  seems that you left on out, I think that would be the corporate income tax at 9% will no allowances for subsidies or special deductions etc…  2010 total revenues to the federal government were in the $2.163 trillion range, so it seems that Cains plan based on your reporting is probably a more sound plan than the one Obama hopes to continue to operate under.  

I also have a news flash for you as well, the $2.2 trillion that the government is currently collecting does not cover the $3.8 trillion in expenditures in this years budget either.  

It isn’t fair but there is equal mudslinging between the parties

Sources? 

Perry and the other GOP contenders (including Herman Cain) for the GOP presidential nomination make me prefer “W” who I once labeled as, “The worst president in my lifetime.”

Like, seriously, dude — to the max!

There’s a difference between being color-blind (a damn impossibility to begin with), and being outright stupid: believing being color-blind erases racism.

Although you’ve got the BLIND part right.

Which makes it A-OK to disgruntled Civil War losers like you.

Rick Perry is just confusing to me with the mass executions but wanting to save lived with a vaccine.

Take notes. You can learn a lot from a liberal.

“The black conservative is a moron. An Oxy moron.”

Um you just undid what 50 comments here were trying to persuade otherwise.

Take heart, everybody loves a clown.

Oh yeah it’s Fox news always using slang about Obama saying he had a hip hop party and Michelle is wearing bling

“Insensitive” is a pretty strong word for Cain to use here, isn’t it?

Isn’t he afraid he is going to lose those moderate Klansmen who are still on the fence?

“in that clip”

In That Clip??? How could you possibly be so stupid as to ignore the rest of Cain’s dribble on racism, and expect to make sense? The guy is confronted with evidence of racism, yet contends the teaparty isn’t racist. 

You remind me of Dory. And as Marlon so eloquently put it, “There’s something wrong with you.”

Ignore the Texan. He can’t answer questions.

If by “nurtured,” you mean respected in accordance to constant injustices, then you’re right.

Hey Texan, just how many people of color do you actually talk to on a weekly basis? If you talk to any (which I highly doubt) is it just in a work environment or is it is a social setting?

When you start lobbying all over the world for the names to be changed on all the other mountains and rocks (including the coordinating maps) with the same name then come on back and talk to me.

Sure are going out of your way explaining away on all these threads today

The Washington Post article itself acknowledges that the locals and ranchers called the ranch by that name because that was the word was painted on the rock a long time ago.  

“Ranchers who once grazed cattle on the 1,070-acre parcel on the Clear Fork of the Brazos River called it by that name well before Perry and his father, Ray, began hunting there in the early 1980s. There is no definitive account of when the rock first appeared on the property. In an earlier time, the name on the rock was often given to mountains and creeks and rock outcroppings across the country.”

The Perry family did not own or manage that property, they only leased it, but his parents nonetheless painted over the word because they were offended by it.  

Since when did we start holding people responsible for someone else’s graffiti on someone else’s property? 

It is not really a problem at all since the information is so easily found regarding the names of rocks and mountains all over the world. It is a non-story from the desperate left wing media. If you are so offended by the name then feel free to get them all changed. If you haven’t shown disgust before about all the other rocks and mountains named the exact same thing why are you staring now?

Broadhorizon’s Feeling The Love !!

If “Niggerhead,” is racist, then anyone who has set foot off road in the Alaska tundra and cursed them as they were constantly tripping and falling as they tried to walk, is a racist.
 
If anyone has seen pictures of those knobs sticking up in the tundra, you will immediately know what I am talking about, for when I lived there they were known almost universally in AK by that term.

Wiki describes the term as: “hard tussocks in the tundra, esp. in Alaska”

Taking Notes On My Hand !!  Plenty Of Room Leftover !!

Dear Educated Dummy,

Several words in the American English language are based on racist connotations. If you take the time to read a history book, you will learn not only that this country was founded by racists, but that racists made sure to ingrain their principles into American culture.

Sincerely,

BH

LibSpeak – 9-9-9 Is Same As 9-9 !!

So Christiane Amanpour and Cain had what to say about black rappers who use the “N” word to make money as that is their every second word when blathering out their garbage?  Honky is another word the black rappers love to bandy about, along with bitches and ho’s.

I want to be sitting in the lobby of The Washington Post or The New York Times the day after OBAMO gets the political life beaten out of his anorexic body next November.

Come back and talk to you? LOL – You say that as if you’re “important.” Try being an agent of change yourself instead of being a placid racist. Do nothings are just as bad as proponents, and the entire lot of you disgust me to no end.

Hey Tim,

You ever seen flocks of geese flying over head?

Did you ever notice how they like to fly in a “V” formation?

Did you ever notice how most often one side of the “V” is longer than the other side?

Do you know why that is?…….

Maybe there are more geese on one side of the “V” than the other…LOL

Purveyor 

The article doesn’t raise eyebrows because of the historical reference of this foolishness, it raises eyebrows because Perry continued to patronize the place. It’s similar to a politician or anyone else seeking our support patronizing an all-white club, having not founded said club or instituted its policies. We hold people accountable when their actions validate division. Patronizing divisive institutions is a form of validation.

Tell me, have you been lobbying to change the names of all the mountains, rocks and coordinating maps with the name “Niggerhead” associated with them? If not, then you are a “do nothing” that you speak of. That makes you part of the “entire lot.”

It is like when you said that “teabaggers” only use insults for their responses while having your entire post filled with nothing but insults. I know it is beyond your scope of reasoning to see the hypocrisy.

What the hell is stopping you now? Word is there’s a mop and a warm bucket of soapy water waiting for you with your name on it!

That is a completely different (and unfortunate) issue. What should matter (if you can think), is that none of those fools is campaigning for the presidency.

GAWD!!!!!

Another half-witted cowboy from the Texas governor’s mansion to the executive mansion. I can’t wait.

Isn’t life strange?

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan

To the 2012Disillusionist,

I have NEVER said, “teabaggers only use insults for their responses,” so your point about hypocrisy is disqualified much like your other dribble. 

Second, unlike you, I am ***extremely*** active in the political arena. But tell me, why would you assume otherwise? (Seriously) What qualifications would you possibly have to make such a bold-faced statement?

The President is “anorexic”? I had not heard this news. Recent photos and video are fake?

If I Had My Way, I’d Have All Of Them Shot !!!

Sincerely,

RCJ

Well maybe if you had someone else other than Palin taking your notes for you, you wouldn’t have any room at all! (Either that or you need to stop “exercising” it so much!)

Racism Only Counts If You’re A Republican Presidential Candidate !!!

I liked to be somewhere and see you when you get the s#$% kicked out of you…

Hmm… maybe you’re pouring all those drinks down the wrong hole.

The imaginary racist “signs” of the Tea Party are only the ones circling around in your head. I’ve been to Tea Party events and looked into them. Clearly, you solely are here to race bait and demonize. That doesn’t speak well for whatever you claim to represent.

Well we all love to be there with you to give you your kudos.

Perhaps we could sen our personal greetings directly to….

The name of Perry’s camp is no more racist than Cain calling Blacks “brainwashed”.

Cain is the Insider’s insider. Cain is a former Federal Reserve Banker who favored TARP bail-outs, and now he wants a national sales tax. Cain endorsed Romney in 2008, and Cain wants to continue the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Cain is a phony “outsider” and an absolute gift to the status quo.

LOL

It actually starts off with
is a mostly no longer current name for several things thought to resemble a black person’s head.

Imaginary?!?!

You must be one of those color blind white folks with a black best friend too. 

Good luck with that!

You are so friggin stupid, you don’t even realize you have made his case worse

I see, now Rick Perry is the founder and head of the Tea Party… You liberals really don’t know who the Tea Party is, you take your talking points from leftist websites and think that you are informed…  LOL, they are just talking points used to slander the tea party but you are too ill informed to understand this!

Like I said, Cain confronted the issue as much as he needed to..  He too understands that Perry does not speak for conservatives and that the more we find out about Perry the further away from him conservatives move…  Why does Cain want to make it his issue, he has more important things to talk about, he can let you do this for him.  

Cain is smarter than you are and his response shows this, it will gain him more respect from republicans, rather than wasting time leading a charge on a race scandal which will not gain him credibility with the base as his base understands the difference between Rick Perry and Republicans in general, he can simply sit back and let Perry implode all on his own.  Something that you may not understand is that if you are principled based, your principles will speak for themselves, they do not need alot of extraneous lip service that would tend to portray you as self serving. I know that is a difficult concept for liberals as you many of you folks have little use for principles.  

Like I said he has people like you and Sharpton to take up that banner for him, he can continue to speak to the issues that he feels are important to the country. 

If the paint sticks, you got to wear it.

Broadhorizons is a racist… and a kook!

Didn’t Herman Cain know that he’s only allowed to talk about Black racism. How dare he play the race card on a white man.

Cain called it “insensitive”.  Why didn’t he call it out for what it really is – downright racist and disrespectful for ALL people – not just blacks, but ALL people?

But Obama isn’t a liberal.  He is a moderate.  To someone as far right as the typical Tea Party follower, I would imagine his ideology looks far left, but it’s not.

So are you saying blacks are just inherently unmanageable or inhospitable, like that “hard tundra”?

You are helping me make my point.

He was used kind of like a “trophy” so the Tea Party could say “see, we aren’t racist!”

Dream on, teatard. No Republican is beating Obama in the polls now when he’s at his most vulnerable. They should be twenty points up, but they’re either even or behind. And when he starts campaigning, he’s going to leave them in the dust.

Ignored. 

NEXT!

20 years of listening to that stuff.  Denounce AFTER it was made public.  Not by MSM btw

Fedup in Florida, that was some funny shit you wrote. I *liked* it because it made me laugh my ass off. Thanks for that! :-)

Apparently the Governor and his father used the property for hunting and it was his father who upon signing the lease said he was offended by the sign and had it turned over.  Yes, it was his father who showed leadership in this case – not the governor.

I wonder why the “esteemed” Michelle hasn’t commented on this issue. Does it turn her little face all cherry red and stuff?

Rick Perry has his Macaca moment.

And don’t you love how Cain played the race card on Perry in record time. LOL

Cain will be in the race as long as the Koch brothers allow him.

i’d like to see jeaneane garofolo put her hand over herman cai’s stupid mouth

This is a lesson on how the liberal media manufactures and propagates their dishonest and disingenuous attacks on Conservatives. 

First a liberal rag like the WaPo or NYT gins up a nasty, dishonest smear. Then they time the release of their smear so that the Sunday morning shows can propagate and cement the smear into the public conscience before the victim of their smear can have a chance to respond to the attack…in effect blindsiding them.

Now, no matter what Perry says, the charge of “racist” will always fallow him around and for the next two months he’s going to be asked questions which imply that he is a racist, instead of questions about how he will govern.

The election of Barack Obama has caused severe damage to race relations in this country. No one is safe from the charge of racism these days, not even President Clinton who Obama himself smeared as a racist.

Beautifully said.

F#ckin whyte people.  All da same, deez crackas!  

BTW

Rick Perry says he is from ‘dirt-poor farming family’. Nice to see they had the means to lease 1,000 acre hunting lodge.’ 

Are you counting white as a color?

He’s accusing you of moving the goalposts in this discussion.

Wait, what? This was at a tea party? Or the fictionalized version you people, yes, you people, see in the stars at night?

Listen, I could really use a hundred K right now, but I’ll split it with you if you’ll help me find that video of the black congressman getting spit on and or being called the word his own people use very offensively often.

Rick Perry was in his 30s when his family leased the land.

It sounds like he’s been moving a crackpipe to his mouth.

The longer Parry stays in the race the more stuff will come out about him.. He might want to get out of the race before too much dirt is discovered about him.  

Folks – this is a non-issue.  The governor went hunting there but didn’t name the place.  I’m much more interested in how many people of color he actually had employed on his staff and how many he appointed to all those boards the governor is so famous for.  Let’s see how diverse he is by his hiring practices – not this deal that his dad took care of.

N*gger

Prescient:
The Race Card President
http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/the-race-card-president-130931858.html

Well, little ricky being an a$$hole, is a given. Now Herman is hard to figure out. . .yet. Perfect educational background, perfect job experience, looks perfect, speaks perfect, has a perfect family.  Well, I ain’t seen one of those people ever in my life.  Wonder what’s under all that perfectionism. And he gets a good head of steam, like the tax plan, and then switches to perry’s hunting camp, which is sick anyway.  I suppose we’ll see.

I assume Cain is playing politics.  One thing about blacks, conservative or not, sooner or later, they will play the race card against the white man.

With their luck, some Indians are buried under the rock, and the feds would have charged them with upsetting a Native American burial ground.

Yeah I was very disappointed.  Finally, you think you found a good one, and then the facade breaks off.

Nurtured as in supported as a victim in a self destructive lifestyle. 

The idea that “manufacturing” fake issues is a libruhl media thing is so disconnected from reality that it’s laughable. You have a whole conservative network that’s built on fake outrage over $hit like ACORN and the New Black Panthers and crap like that.

You must live in a bubble if you can’t see this.

Yea, its not like they called Jim Clyburn the N word and then spit on him as he was trying to get in to the Capitol.  Evidently you go to these things blindfolded

Make up your mind, a few post back you were saying that Cain did not address the issue, now you are saying that he condemned governor Perry…  Speaking out both sides of your mouth..  Liberalism at its best!

Cain just deep sixed his candidacy.  This really ticks off white voters.  They endure years of being called racist for every fantasy the liberals can dream up.  When one of their own do it, it’s unforgivable.  He just lost at least 25% of his white support.

Somebody needs to call 999 for Cain’s and Perry’s respective campaigns…

You got proof?

Cain is as good as gone with all the stupid Mudslinging! Back to the RaceBaiting Mud from where he came!

Cain should have told Christianne to stop doing the Obama dirty work and that this is not a news story; it is old and it is just attempting to slander Perry with the race card.  Cain made a mistake in not telling Christianne to get on with the issues of the day and stop trying to race bait.

This kind of garbage doesn’t help Cain.

Cain should have told Christianne to stop doing the Obama dirty work and that this is not a news story; it is old and it is just attempting to slander Perry with the race card.  Cain made a mistake in not telling Christianne to get on with the issues of the day and stop trying to race bait.

This kind of garbage doesn’t help Cain.

Cain should have told Christianne to stop doing the Obama dirty work and that this is not a news story; it is old and it is just attempting to slander Perry with the race card.  Cain made a mistake in not telling Christianne to get on with the issues of the day and stop trying to race bait.

This kind of garbage doesn’t help Cain.

 I am a colorblind white man with NO black friends.
Am I SUPPOSED to have black friends…I mean….Is there a quota in how many friends I can have before I HAVE to have a black friend?
I just hate jive sh*t and trying to decipher ebonics.

If they were giving out prizes for euphemism, “insensitive” would be in the running. What a piece of garbage Perry is.

check some facts here

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread396572/pg1

Are you really that much of an ***hole or are you pretending to be one to snag a militia chick for your crib tonight?

You have taken too many punches to the head.

 Hey my man:) I don’t feel this is an issue but I do think these primaries will be interesting in the southern states. If Cain can pull one state in the primaries south of the Mason Dixon line I will eat my words. But you know and I know that aint gonna happen:)

Bill Maher called Obama a moderate Republican.

The funny thing is, this idiot thinks he is welcomed to that party.  Here is a hint Cain, they are calling you this the minute you leave a room, you idiot.

You are not one of them.  You never will be. 

Texan you aren’t even playing the same game, talking about Obama. So STFU

I know. He should not trust them

Right, Cain already said he wouldn’t support a Perry nomination

Donald who?  :)

Guess you haven’t seen the Obama-as-witch-doctor sign that turns up at nearly every teabagger gathering.

The denial is him saying there is no racism from that party.  Its annoying to see this self hating idiot actually think he one of them or part of that crowd.  All he has to do is look …LOOK at the audience of a RNC convention.  He is literally a raisin in a bowl of milk and it makes him feel good because he think he is accepted there.  What an idiot.

Disqus generic email templateNo—Total Income includes Individual and Corporate 2100 Revenue our big problem

In 2008, top 50% got 87% of Income and paid 13.65 Tax Rate.

Since 1980 we have not taxed big incomes and corporations enough to pay our bills. They got richer and richer on our borrowed money.
The charts show the taxes of Rich and Corporations going down and down since 1980
That is why we are one nof least taxed in oecd
Only Iceland pays less Corporate tax as percent of gdp
We rank fourth from bottom on equality and least taxed

n 2008, top 25% got 67% all individual income and paid 15% tax rate. 70,000,000 got 13% and paid 3%

All screaming about Rich create jobs etc is true but it is not always true. Since 2000, best bucks made gambling in Casino Derivative. 1.1 M jobs created. In past decades investors invested in corporate stocks
Much is not in gambling.

Only two ways to balance our books. Cut spending in the 5 that create 80% of spending (defense-social security-medicare-medicaid-interest) and tax Wealth.
The 80% is being used as faux effort by Tea Party in House
Nit picking. Small savings.

Defense must not be sacred. It is jobs. Each district will fight to keep the jobs. Try cutting Ft.Bragg I fight. 800 bases worldwide.
Middle East. Our bases surround the oil fields. Our ships protect oil tankers.

Bill Kristol PNAC group of Hebrews tried to get Bush to take over oil fields and internationalize them

JOBs will be our terror for years.2,300,000 to just China in 8 of Busheloon. Multi nationals made record profits in a Great Recession.!!! Wow.

Service-Health Care-Educatiion
Once mfg. was big here none left

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Fedup in Florida wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

So you addressed 2 of the 3 nines…. seems that you left on out, I think that would be the corporate income tax at 9% will no allowances for subsidies or special deductions etc… 2010 total revenues to the federal government were in the $2.163 trillion range, so it seems that Cains plan based on your reporting is probably a more sound plan than the one Obama hopes to continue to operate under.

I also have a news flash for you as well, the $2.2 trillion that the government is currently collecting does not cover the $3.8 trillion in expenditures in this years budget either.

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Perry isn’t tea party you twit.
Perry is a Bilderberg RINO.
You need to broaden your horizons….and your information base.
MSNBC 24/7 causes brain damage.
 

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The_Royal_Court_Jester wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

LibSpeak – 9-9-9 Is Same As 9-9 !!

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Including the church Obama attended for 20 years?

a la Steele.

LOL I just don’t know… Honestly there is no republican candidate that I am particularly excited about..  For some reason I keep coming back to Huntsman, but he is doing everything within his power to not win the primaries.  You would think that these guy would figure a few things out.  IMO they pay to much attention to the press and DC insiders.  

All they have to do is deliver a simple conservative message and not get caught in traps and they can win over the base, this is the appeal of Herman Cain right now, even though most would agree with you that he stands not chance…  but from what I have heard and read, his swell on popularity here in Florida was real as many have felt let down by Perry and just don’t trust Romney.  

The sad part is, if perry had become the republican nominee and this came out, Cain would defend him to the end and not say it was “insenative”.  Perry would have been the victim or some damn thing.  Cain will never get it. 

YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM.

Nope…no proof yet. You’d think they would have been able to get proof if there was any huh?
I think it’s hilarious how they out themselves with stupid comments like that.

Well….at least he’s not a Democrat’s Plantation lawn ornament.
 

Hey, hey now!  Things are about to get confusing around here with us having the same avatar and similar political leanings…

:)

You’re that small, huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh402owua4o

Hey Herman, welcome to the Republican Party. I’m not claiming that the Democratic Party is perfect by any means, but there’s a lot more acceptance and diversity. Some Republicans may pay lip service to accepting a black candidate, but don’t kid yourself. And who knows what some of the other candidates are saying behind your back.

You’re just upset because you can’t comprehend, puddin’! Good thing is you can relax about it. I don’t think anyone pays attention to you anyway.

Cheers!

Personally, me and a million other voters didn’t find a problem with Obama’s church.

“He is literally a raisin in a bowl of milk and it makes him feel good because he think he is accepted there.”

That’s the sad part. :-(

I saw a few. Just about equal to the average number of racists you’d find in any general public gathering. Not nearly the massive number you “imagine”.
Listen, I know that this “Tea Party Is Racist” talking point is absolutely false. I have gone to some lengths to check it out so as not to verbally support any group that is inherently racist.
As it turns out, the main use of the talking point is to falsely demonize pretty much anything that is not Democratic or far left. I don’t know why anyone would want to be involved in that sort of dishonesty.
It is a lie and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to perpetuate it.

Silly rabbit. Empathy is for kids!

I.E. Nobody gives a shit.

You calling Republican liers? Obama has taken over that role the past three years.

The Race Card??????  Really Cain, just wow.  He is still better then the Muslim loving governor of New Jersey

And you’re the king of subtlety, tact, and precision?

Busted.

According to the WaPo article, Ronnie Brooks, a retired game warden, remembers seeing the stone with the word on it sometime in the early to mid 1980s. Other unnamed sources also say they remember seeing it around that time, but can’t remember exactly when it got painted over.
PERRY WAS A DEMOCRAT THEN, AND ALL THE POLITICIANS AND SUPPORTERS HE TOOK TO THE RANCH WERE DEMOCRATS.
Perry became a Republican in 1989, and the offending sign was, without any doubt, turned on its side and painted over by then.

PERRY WAS A DEMOCRAT THEN, AND ALL THE POLITICIANS AND SUPPORTERS HE TOOK TO THE RANCH WERE DEMOCRATS.

Herman Cain is just another low-life politician who will go along with any lie or smear to gain advantage.

You have to think this story was pushed to WaPo by Cain’s people to try to deliver a knockout blow to Perry.

Perry was a DEMOCRAT when the rock was being seen by all his DEMOCRAT buddies in the early to mid 1980s. Perry became a Republican in 1989.

 Ill agree with you Huntsman is a logical conservative. Maybe he will gain some ground who knows. I cant predict with this crazy race lol. But I will predict that Cain has no freaking chance. Now that being said he may have a chance as a vice presidential candidate? I can see maybe someone in the south biting their tounge and pulling that lever if he’s not on the top of the ticket. I think all of these guys are going to try and get on Cains good side because he is starting to maybe not look like the King but he could be a king maker. There is a long way to go but remember this. Republicans in general do not have unusual or different nominations when it comes to who they run fro president. Romney has the money and he’s gonna strart gaining momentum. I think he’s gonna be your man.

Yes, you are right nobody reads my posts but they read your spew… Give me a break, it is you that is the racist here espousing your indignation towards Cain because he did do you bidding…  Cain did not live up to your expectation of how a black man should have reacted…  You ooze of white guilt…  to bad for you.  

According to the WaPo article, Ronnie Brooks, a retired game warden, remembers seeing the stone with the word on it sometime in the early to mid 1980s. Other unnamed sources also say they remember seeing it around that time, but can’t remember exactly when it got painted over.
PERRY WAS A DEMOCRAT THEN, AND ALL THE POLITICIANS AND SUPPORTERS HE TOOK TO THE RANCH WERE DEMOCRATS.
Perry became a Republican in 1989, and the offending sign was, without any doubt, turned on its side and painted over by then.

Why didn’t Perry’s racist Democrat buddies complain back in 1984, when Perry was taking his donors out there for a little hunting?You know, back when Perry was a Democrat?

Talk about the pot calling the keetle black.  Zona and  Rasta_Farian shouldn’t complain about other people’s alleged racism.. Having an avatar from one of the most racist shows on cable (Boonbocks)   This show has the most racist stereotypes and  cannot go an episode without using the n-word half a dozen times. 

What is sad is that you don’t really believe that a black person can be a conservative, there are many more like him…  They are not hard to find, sorry if Cain not viewing the world in terms of black and white offends you. It is your own racism that sets your expectations of him.  For you to call him a raisin in a bowl of milk speaks to your feelings and to the manner in which you view this man. His philosophy is unacceptable to you..  why is it that you can’t just leave it at that, why must you make it an issue of race?  That is your prejudice speaking not his or mine, he is not living up to your expectations of a black man no matter that he has lead a life of achievement!  You claim that “it makes him feel good because he thinks he is accepted there” then you go on to call him an idiot!  Such hypocrisy!  You statement is racist and solely based on the color of his skin, you are too self absorbed to see this..  Herman Cain is a man just as I am a man, did it ever occur to you that he is beyond fixating on his color, that he gave that up a long time ago as he found such a fixation only would serve as a barrier to achieving success.  No of course you never considered that as it is not in the liberal text book. 

You may start by learning how to spell….liar.

It looks bad for Perry whether a racial intent was there or not. I hate the word, no matter who of whatever race uses it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/60053005@N00/4819543862/
Imaginary in deed!

Yup….he’s the Tea Party’s “black friend” as stated by a certain radio host days ago.

Imagine if it was Obama’s ranch and the word etched or scratched into the rock was “crackerhead” hillbilly-head” or any other pejorative aimed at southern whites. How forgiving or accomodating would you be? If it was MY ranch, I would bring someone there to destroy the rock and have it shipped away. Not just “turn it over.” What a WEAK defense. If it was offensive as he claimed it to have been, drastic action would have been taken immediately.

TIM,

I wasn’t saying much of anything.  I was simply continuing your dialogue…

Purveyor

Hey Al,

Have you ever told a dirty joke?  How about listened to one, but found it “over the top,” so to speak.  Still, being a polite person in an uncomfortable context, you chose to remain polite and pretend mirth?

Have you ever told a racial joke?  How about “Polack” jokes, ever told Polack jokes?  When I was kid everybody told Polack jokes, mostly the Polacks!  (It took a few years to figure that out)

THe ACLU, Code Pink types, along with the overtly religious, you know, rigid and inflexible, no sense of humor, do you think they ever tell jokes at all?  

Just a thought…

Purveyor

According to the WaPo article, Ronnie Brooks, a retired game warden,
remembers seeing the stone with the word on it sometime in the early to
mid 1980s. Other unnamed sources also say they remember seeing it around
that time, but can’t remember exactly when it got painted over.
PERRY WAS A DEMOCRAT THEN, AND ALL THE POLITICIANS AND SUPPORTERS HE TOOK TO THE RANCH WERE DEMOCRATS.
Perry
became a Republican in 1989, and the offending sign was, without any
doubt, turned on its side and painted over by then.

I wonder if Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Cain will march arm in arm on the hunting camp stone.

Wow! Not sure how to respond to your email link but I think that it makes a good case for tax reform and not simply raising tax rates.  Your email points out two large problems we have, the casino atmosphere of Wall Street and the fact that so much has changed there that in may ways it no longer serves the function of capitalizing Americas business.  Not so sure what that had to do with Cain’s tax plan.  

The other thing that your link points out is all the corruption baked into a tax system that is completely unfair to many while unfairly rewarding others.  This has occurred over the years as our politicians on both sides of the aisle have been lobbied to create these loopholes or the government has used them to try and steer the economy rarely going back to readdress law that no longer serves its intended purpose. 

Government needs to get out of the special interest business and stop granting favor to lobbyist and create a simple taxing structure that adequately funds its activity and is just and fair.  They need to stop playing god over our economy.  Herman Cain’s 999 plan is just one attempt at doing this.  

The president’s plan is not a good one as it is not supported by democrats or republicans, I can tell you that our tax codes are comprised of over 70,000 pages of tax law, something that no one person truly understands and is a nightmare for the regular American who for whatever reasons can not file a simple return.  Our tax codes do not serve our country well as written, we have corporations making record profits while paying no income taxes whatsoever, we have millionaires finding all kinds of ways to be creative on their returns while the everyday joe gets little relief. 

The tax code needs to go and be replaced with something that reflects the competitive environments of the world markets.  Your link addresses the issue of American companies making record profits overseas while paying no taxes in this country, even worse when that is the case it is a fair bet that those corporations did not repatriate that money, simply taxing the wealthy more in this country will not change that problem, rewriting our tax codes will.  

My response to your original post was simply that you left out calculation for 1/3 of the Cain plan, and that our current codes are not working for us either.  BTW you can not raise taxes enough to cover the deficit, there is just not enough wealth out there, spending will have to be addressed.  You can find good information at the CBO site and others about balancing our budget.  

@ insideguy 

Haha  that’s funny… I live in the south and actually like Cain, just not convinced that he has the experience would help him be strong on foreign policy, I think that the next president has to be both strong on the economy and foreign policy as the world is getting kinda strange…  You would be surprised Cain has a lot good support in the south..  we will see how he does, Take care.  

I’d immediately send Perry 10 grand if he came out and said “I was a DEMOCRAT back then!”

That would be sooo sweet.

I am no Perry fan at all, but I do enjoy the English language. This word means: “A rounded boulder or rock; especially, a roundish black rock on the coast of Florida, sometimes covered with only a few inches of water.” http://www.wordnik.com/words/niggerhead

I realize it sounds like a dreadful word, but it isn’t.

Rick Perry should never be President, but it isn’t for this non-story.

So, only one of the witnesses would give their name and it only “kinda” offended him. It did not offend him so much that he ever mentioned it to anyone else or stopped going out there for jobs. The other people (if they exist) had no problem with it every time they went there either. No one said one word for 28 years and now suddenly they have all decided to come out with the story? I bet there are a lot of Democrats tonight praying that there isn’t a picture (not that one has been produced of the rock) of them standing next to the rock smiling for the camera. Since Perry was hanging out with Democrats at that time, and since most people in that area are Democrats, it seems to me that the Democrats had no problem with the rock.

Nah, he means that “too many” are on welfare. He cites no stats, just his fervent belief that “too many” are on welfare.

Cute dog whistle he has. Wonder if he will bust out Reagan’s line about “young bucks buying T-bone steaks” next?

That is not what the story said, Rufus. You should read it. Nonetheless, democrats have made no secret of the fact that we kicked out the racists and the R’s welcomed them into their party.

Michelle has gone into hiding since SNL used her in a skit last night about internet comment posters.

Because the issue is not whether Perry was racially insensitive, but which party the racially insensitive Perry started out in…..BEFORE becoming a Republican. Seems to me it’s a little more interesting that a racially insensitive guy feels very at home in today’s Republican party.

Hell, go ask Haley Barbour which side of the civil rights debate his family was on and then ask him what party he belongs to.

Seems they forgot to kick out Robert C. Byrd before his death. What party was he in again?

You are a douchebag

Prove Clyburn, a civil rights hero, is a liar

Perry is a rhino? And, ANOTHER Bircher reveals his ugliness

Barbour’s father died in 1949, so what side was he on in the 1960′s?

Read the story, Texan, and try to remember which name you are logged in under

First off Jim Clyburn was not spit on, nor did he claim to be, he claimed that Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo. was, so it is you and TanzbodenKoenig that are the liars. Yet Video refutes that claim.

Stop looking in the mirror timb116.

It’s funny that as long as Cain did as he was told and covered for the teabaggers by saying they aren’t racist he was loved but as soon as he shows a little bit of backbone and stands up for himself by calling a racist situation insensitive the right wastes no time accusing him of playing the race card and turning on him.  See Herb when you lay down with dogs you get fleas all over you. 

He was a dem… dem … demo… demo…. democr…. democrr…… demo … democ… democ… RAT ! —- OK .. I SAID IT!

LMAO

Photo following of them never showed him or any of the others being spit on. I would bet that there will be a TEA gathering where there will be a few Demoplants again, and at least one will be sure that the media gets a pic of him/her in the act of spitting on one of them just to make the claim of the liars.

You just can’t stand that a prominent black man has stepped off the plantation can you?

Racists like you are sick demonizing others for disagreeing with you and trying to dictate what everyone of their race should think. That sad period of American history is over no matter how much you might want to bring it back. 

The left is just so desperate.  You guys are making Rush Limbaugh’s show prep that much easier.

Your personal attacks in your next comment are a  cop out, and show you to be incapable of refuting what he said. Just keep grasping for straws while reality simply evades you.

Long time no see?

Much news is being ignored by the Media, even FOX?  Meaning, Herman Cain is not getting the attention I feel he is due.

Any thoughts?

Purveyor

What was LBJ’s party at the time of his death again?

I am a big fan of Herman Cain, and I happen to think favorably of Rick Perry. These two are being played by our media and steered toward an unnecessary confrontation which they both lose (surprise, surprise). Perry says when his family leased the land he noticed the rock being painted with the word “niggerhead” and asked his dad to paint it over. I believe this explanation. Because if one intended to be governor of the State of Texas, where a great many of the voters are black, and couldn’t see that having a sign on one’s property which reads “niggerhead” could be a problem, then one is much stupider than originally anticipated.

Cain’s got a long track record of being magnanimous. I hope that he investigates the “niggerhead” story and finds that Perry is dumb, but not that dumb.

ALASKA EH??? why am i not surprised

Limbaugh is an Oxy moron

Unreasonable..like making a big deal out of the first lady shopping at Target?

and  when he ”talked back”to Rush…he was shut down quickly

Romney is very gleeful today..two birds with one stone

So what stopped Perry from painting over it himself?

Well, I wasn’t there, of course, but it seems to be the case that the camp was leased by Perry’s father. My own Dad doesn’t take too well to me bossing him around in our (or, as I was reminded while visiting this summer, his) house. So it seems plausible to me that perhaps Perry could have objected to the label “niggerhead” without feeling it his right to obliterate the marking without his father’s assent.

Herman Cain plays the race card should be a new drinking game. You would stay drunk

Lots of Poles in Michigan and Wisconsin.
Heard lots of “Polack” jokes.
Also heard, “A Swede was designed to make Norwegians mad!”

With the current drought, all the dirt farmers in Texas can produce is dirt.

Are any Texans who know Perry actually surprised by this?

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Fedup in Florida wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

Wow! Not sure how to respond to your email link but I think that it makes a good case for tax reform and not simply raising tax rates. Your email points out two large problems we have, the casino atmosphere of Wall Street and the fact that so much has changed there that in may ways it no longer serves the function of capitalizing Americas business. Not so sure what that had to do with Cain’s tax plan.
The other thing that your link points out is all the corruption baked into a tax system that is completely unfair to many while unfairly rewarding others. This has occurred over the years as our politicians on both sides of the aisle have been lobbied to create these loopholes or the government has used them to try and steer the economy rarely going back to readdress law that no longer serves its intended purpose.
Government needs to get out of the special interest business and stop granting favor to lobbyist and create a simple taxing structure that adequately funds its activity and is just and fair. They need to stop playing god over our economy. Herman Cain’s 999 plan is just one attempt at doing this.
The president’s plan is not a good one as it is not supported by democrats or republicans, I can tell you that our tax codes are comprised of over 70,000 pages of tax law, something that no one person truly understands and is a nightmare for the regular American who for whatever reasons can not file a simple return. Our tax codes do not serve our country well as written, we have corporations making record profits while paying no income taxes whatsoever, we have millionaires finding all kinds of ways to be creative on their returns while the everyday joe gets little relief.
The tax code needs to go and be replaced with something that reflects the competitive environments of the world markets. Your link addresses the issue of American companies making record profits overseas while paying no taxes in this country, even worse when that is the case it is a fair bet that those corporations did not repatriate that money, simply taxing the wealthy more in this country will not change that problem, rewriting our tax codes will.
My response to your original post was simply that you left out calculation for 1/3 of the Cain plan, and that our current codes are not working for us either. BTW you can not raise taxes enough to cover the deficit, there is just not enough wealth out there, spending will have to be addressed. You can find good information at the CBO site and others about balancing our budget.
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Martin Luther King cheated on wife and plagiarized his doctoral thesis. Clyburn’s a liar.

There is video of the incident. He wasn’t spat on. At the very worst, he was a victim of spraying it not saying it. The video is funny because you can see the moment Cleaver realizes he might be able to make something out of it. The dishonesty surrounding this whole “they chanted the n-word!” “They spat on civil rights heroes!” would be funny were it not for the fact that the media willingly spread these lies far and wide. All most people do is read the headlines, and they know it.

Sean, guilt by association is not proof. Though, that was a cute slander of MLK, the greatest American of the 20th century

‘That is very insensitive’ Herman Cain

…Well, that’s an understatement if I ever heard one.

I think Mr Cain may be getting a metaphorical slap across the face with Republican/Tea Party reality. 

Keep going Mr Cain. I’m sure it’s just a one off. Outside of Marilyn Davenport incident of course…

Where have you been?  I sincerely hope everything is OK?

I thought I told you about the Polack jokes people told when I was just a kid?  You see, I grew up very near Green Bay, and you are correct, there are many people of Northern European descent up there.

Anyway, up until I was 10, I thought Polacks were horrible, creepy people who didn’t bathe, really!  That was because my Dad (German) and his good friend Ed, (Polish) were always telling and exchanging, sometimes awful, Polack jokes.  So, being a little and very impressionable kid, I came to believe Polacks were terrible people!  Really!

Turns out the people telling the Polack jokes were Polacks, who had the confidence and temerity to use self deprecating humor…   LOL

I guess the lesson is: be careful what your kids are hearing and make sure they have a proper context?  Ouch!

Do you know why Polacks have SKI at the end of their name?  Answer: They don’t know how to spell “toboggan!”   LOL

Purveyor

Surprised? No. Shocked, I say: “Shocked!” We are all shocked that the sign was painted over.

cute -you’re trying to act like he was another person back then. Did you hear guys? Rick Perry wasn’t ‘really’ born until 1989!
Guess what? He’s a Republican now. This ignorant bastard is yours. Your party took him in. You own him.

What I wonder is if Teapublicans will be confused about whether they’re voting for Cain or McCain. After all:

Cain = Godfather’s Pizza.
Godfather’s Pizza = food.*
Food = McDonald’s.**
McDonald’s = Mc prefix.
Mc + Cain = McCain.
McCain = RINO.
RINO = loss.

—

*At least metaphorically.
**In a manner of speaking.

Hold on to your Gangster hat, Herman… http://mjcdn.motherjones.com/preset_16/cain_hat.jpg

…the blowhard winds could be heading your way.

Rush Limbaugh probably has Paul Shanklin working on a peppy parody song, as we speak, using Steve Earle’s “Copperhead Road” for the tunage, and replacing Copperhead Road with… you know.

Limbaugh will of course argue, as he did with “Barack the Magic Negro”, that the parody isn’t prejudicial “because somebody else used the word first”.

By nurtured he means willing to take from the Government Plantation, rather than relying on your own strengths, as Cain has done.  It’s a choice.  Injustice is a pejorative word here, meant to inflame and incite anger.  .  

Like Joe Biden’s racial slur:

“In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking.”Read more: http://newsbusters.org/node/6305#ixzz1Zij6TYHU

Truth is this entire argument about which party has the most racists is just plain DUMB!  Prejudices are not born out of political parties, but rather out of personal experiences and observations, not to mention the friends one chooses to associate with.  

There was a time when the Democrat Party was the one who harbored most racists but those times changed after the 1960s and MLK.  Neither party today supports or believes in racial discrimination.

Not Texan. In what year did Perry become a Republican?

As far as I can tell, I don’t care. In what year did he become a conservative? Answer: day one.

Whereas silly people like to get caught up in the bs of a Party label in the middle of the South’s realignment from Democratic to Republican, the thing to know is that the segregationists who left the Democratic Party for the Republican party were always conservative.

Because today’s parties are largely ideologically consistent, many uneducated types believe the Parties were always ideologically consistent, which was true as recently as 1994 (you think Richard Shelby changed from liberal to conservative between 1993 and 1994?)

So, the answer to your question is that it doesn’t matter. Perry was always a conservative.

honky? i am black and i havnt heard that word since 1976….lol

There’s a story which makes white angry about using the “n” word…..liberals don’t have to mention it, as Limbaugh is almost completely motivated by stoking stoking tribal resentments.  He doesn’t need us to know his audience doesn’t like black people

spot on

get used to him not saying anything, Tim.  it’s his MO

remember Reagan’s WELFARE QUEENS line?

What does “liberal” mean? Why is that negative? I don’t understand…

The hood? What the heck are you talking about?

What are you talking about?  The entire right winged attack strategy on Obama in 2008 was that he spent TOO MUCH TIME in “the Hood” as a both Community Organizer and as a member of Reverend Wright’s church.

  Do you have more hatred for urban or suburban Blacks, or do you loathe them all equally?

–Cobra

I would agree, for whatever reason the media is not yet convinced that Cain is a serious candidate.  He just won another straw pole in Ill so maybe this will draw more attention to him.  I think that you will see more attention on the trailing candidates as Perry implodes.  Romney and Paul are stuck on their respective numbers, Romney has a hard time getting above 25% and Paul has a very loyal following but the mainstream does not support his libertarian principles fully.  Bachmann has made religion to much of an issue and although that may play well with some that too tends to drive the mainstream away…  Many republicans find comfort in religion but they do not want to see it play too much of a role in politics.  

So that leaves us with Cain, Huntsman, Santorum, Johnson, and Newt.  Not sure who will come out to challenge Romney ultimately for the nomination.  Personally I think that Santorum is just a bit too fidgety and wound a little to tight.  We will see what happens, but Cain is picking up steam and the press is going to have to take another look at their coverage of him.

Nice bumping into you, take care. 

Herb Cain is probably upset because Perry never offered him an invitation to go hunting there!!

Furthermore, a pundit on Fox News is saying this is no big deal for Rick Perry, and Republicons will be able to move past this!! Really??

If Hillary Clinton went hunting at a place called “N*ggerland, I think Republicons would find that a BIG DEAL!!

So tmb, the racist dems all jumped to the Republicans because the Reps were racist?  That doesn’t make any sense.  Rep were for the majoriy for civil rights.  Please back up with facts.

Dang, forgot, being a progressive, you have moved on to ofay, right?  Or I could be wrong. so, what is the latest word for whitey down on the democrat black plantation?

o·fay/ˈōˌfā/
Noun: An offensive term for a white person, used by black people.  More »Dictionary.com – Answers.com – Merriam-Webster – The Free Dictionary

It won’t be one single issue that will ruin Rick Perry’s Campaign chances, but rather the drip…drip effect of incidents like these. 

Something like this simply sticks in people’s minds. For better or for worse. 

They always stick…

…………….I can’t believe….My best friend’s mom makes $77 an hour on the computer. She has been out of job for 9 months but last month her check was $5487 just working on the computer for a few hours. Read about it here CashMany.com ….is this possible???.

All is well. Incredibly busy in studies. International Trade. That will get some boos from the isolationist crowd in this arena.
For example, I have just now read this: In many industries, such as fine chemicals, automobiles, airframes, electronics, and oil refining, production capability often exceeded possible sales in the home market. Therefore, it was/is necessary for large industries to export.

Bartlett, C. A., & Beamish, P. W. (2011). Transnational
management: Text, cases, and readings in cross-border management (6th ed.).
New York, NY: McGraw-Hill, Irwin.

You can’t export if you won’t let the other guys import. Tariffs and other protectionist activities backfire, because you end up with layoffs and factories operating at half-capacity.

Not a popular concept around here.

Wy doesn’t Cain just call it Racism, since, you know, that’s what it is? Oh, I forgot, he’s republican, and nothing is racist for them, just insensitive. Good grief. 

Looks like Cain has given up on the bagger vote.

The CIA perpetuates racism in this country. Stories like this are manufactured garbage.
http://BiggestCoverUp.blogspot.com/

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America MUST be prepared to use every tool in the tool box, so to speak.  Free trade is not free, unless the playing field is level, (economic treason) especially when various American businesses abrogate their Nationalist responsibility.

In my conclusion, America has been to damn passive with economic disparity, based on our perceived wealth.  The same wealth that eventually ran out, even putting in the red!

Your comment regarding protectionism has merit, however, MY comment’s suggest that our business counterparts could/would have paid a far higher cost had we applied “protectionism?”  Thus, WE had the real leverage.  Unfortunately, we were to timid to use it. (Machiavelli, Clausewitz) Ouch!

Question:  What would your current studies tell you about a loose conglomeration of business and government, whereby both attempt to make decisions in the national interest?  For instance, my Union Friend is constantly angry about “multi-nationals” that make money with seemingly no concern for their fellow Americans.

Purveyor 

Very thought provoking. I forgot how much I enjoyed open forum discussion, both as a student, or teacher. I sincerely hope your Professor uses a Platonic teaching method, rather, than dull lecture?

Anyway, “isolationism” is very much a “tool in the tool box.” But, certainly a blunt instrument, better used late in the game, so to speak. There are a myriad of pro-active steps our Nation could have taken since the end of WWII that could averted the international Liberalism America instituted.

Pious largesse may be appropriate for religious purposes, however, Government being the caretaker of a Nation’s treasure must first maintain the Nation, first and foremost, then exhibit benevolence, if, such is warranted. I FEEL, as if some hidden hand has been quietly, but surely giving away America’s wealth for some very questionable reasons?

I could go on and on… as this subject is part and parcel of my thesis on Economic Treason. I do hope you are enjoying yourself. The quality of the Professor is paramount for a good exchange of ideas.

Purveyor

Three professors. Three classes at once. There is no easy answer.

Both extremes, total isolationism and totally open borders, are wrong. A totally closed border is for total dictatorships, such as seen in North Korea, but a totally open border is just as inappropriate when other borders are not so open.

One would not walk around with cash hanging out of his pockets for easy pickings.
Check out the Doha Round in trade negotiations to see the positions of Developed Nations, Emerging Nations (new term for Russia, China, India, Brazil and a few others) and Developing Nations (formerly called Third World).

The biggest handup of all for international trade negotiations is AGRICULTURE, believe it or not. Every country wants to protect its farmers. Our country wants to export grain, fruits, and meats to the rest of the world. We need to do that to keep our farmers farming. 

“conservative”

Nationalist responisbility. See Benito Mussolini. Decendant of Machiavelli?
Why were we so successful from the end of WW II to the mid 60s? Because we were the only ones exporting anything! Everybody was buying our stuff. The world will not be that way again.
Who is more open to trade than we are? Germany, UK, France, Australia, New Zealand and a few more.  

You have suggested that I reside in a socio-polical, “black and white” world? Yet, you seem content with the “status quo.” What is more black and white than the “status quo?”

I am not willing to accept such. I am not willing equate American Nationalism with Mussolini, and I am certainly unwilling to give any quarter to the former British empire.

However, as I alluded too, I am willing to use any “tool in the tool box,” to protect America and American’s interests!

Why are you so passive, so contrite?

Purveyor

hyp·o·crite
   [hip-uh-krit]  Show IPAnoun1.a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religiousbeliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actuallypossess, especially a person whose actions belie statedbeliefs.

Unfortunately, I have to comment here, rather than in the appropriate spot.  My apologies.  

Your comment about “three professors, three classes,” I wanted to say more about, but, rather, I’d appreciate it if you’d keep me informed about any new ideas or concepts you are exposed too?  Then, we can talk a bit more.  I am already contemplating some of your thoughts, particularly your comparison of North Korea with the South West border?  Also, I am not surprised about agriculture as I may have known that or assumed such.  Anyway, sounded familiar, but, still provocative…?

My Theory on “economic treason” requires that “water seek it own level,” ergo, subsidies are an absolute last resort in time of crisis.  For Capitalism to work and prices need to truly reflect a real and proper price, one cannot make exceptions to the rule, or, you end up with an economic hermaphrodite, such as we have now.  

Also, as I suggested, a Nationalistic fervor in the form of ‘integrity’ must be present, a unity that can only be realized through a love of one’s country and fellow citizens.  Revisionist history has polluted a generation or two of young American’s against themselves. (Lenin smiles)  

(note: “integrity” means strength as well as character)

I too had a class on International Relations/Foreign Policy.  That is where I was exposed to Rheinhold Niebuhr and “Real Politik.”  Your suggestion about “black and white” is more a matter of practicality. Meaning, should I let my opponent win, just to be nice?  I have no illusions that he will be compassionate toward myself and Nation.  Celebrate commonality, NOT diversity!

One final note, Amigo, we can’t save them all.