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House Of Cain: Bloomberg Washington Post GOP Debate Is Herman Cain’s To Lose

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Tonight’s Bloomberg/Washington Post Republican Debate on the economy comes at a critical time in the GOP presidential race, as the last few weeks have seen some stunning shifts in momentum. While several candidates stand to lose big from tonight’s debate, up-and-comer Herman Cain is the only one who really stands to gain, and is in a nearly can’t-lose position. I predict that Cain will join Bloomberg TV as the big winners of tonight’s debate, and Mitt Romney will need Jedi skills to avoid a big loss.

Bloomberg can already put this debate in the “win” column on the strength of the fact that I now know what channel they’re on. There will surely be many political observers who tune in to channel 103 (check with your cable company) for the first time tonight. Hosting their first debate puts the network on the political map in a big way.

Herman Cain, meanwhile, benefits from a host of advantages going into the debate. He’s got incredible momentum, an energetic base of support that promises to be more durable than previous contenders, a signature policy (his “9-9-9 plan”) that’s right in this debate’s wheelhouse, and opponents who stand to gain little by attacking him.

Expectations will be high for frontrunner Mitt Romney, whose greatest strength is supposed to be on the economy, and his rivals, particularly wounded coyote Rick Perry, will be looking to score big hits on the former Massachusetts governor. Perry is looking to recover some support from the same base that loves Herman Cain, so his best bet is to damage Romney, and try to be the last man standing with Cain.

Some have observed a similar tactic from Romney, who saw the virtue of a Cain/Romney two-man race back during the Iowa debate, and who told a town hall crowd in New Hampshire last night, of Cain, ““We each have our own experiences, he’s a great guy. Vote for either one of us and you’ll be happy.”

The endgame, in either scenario, is that Herman Cain would be an easier candidate to beat. For Perry, that may be true, as his biggest problem, electability, shrinks next to upstart Cain, who has no governing experience. Romney, on the other hand, should be careful what he wishes for. The gulf between Romney’s unenthusiastically “electable” candidacy and Cain’s fervent support among the base could easily capsize such concerns.

Cain does have a few areas of vulnerability at tonight’s debate. Although the focus will be on the economy, but given the recent controversy surrounding Romney’s Mormon faith, Cain may have to answer for comments he made referencing it. Since debate co-sponsor WaPo also broke the story of Rick Perry’s controversial hunting camp, Cain and Perry might also be asked about that. Both are opportunities for a big soundbite, but Cain should have little trouble avoiding a fumble here.

His “9-9-9 plan” could also become a problem, depending on his preparedness, and the degree to which the moderators grill him about it. The plan is very popular with the conservative base, but not with economic experts, who point out that the plan doesn’t stand to raise nearly enough revenue, and that it’s a regressive plan that shifts the tax burden downward.

The criticisms of the plan, though, aren’t likely to resonate with GOP primary voters, so as long as Cain manages not to throw up all over himself, this shouldn’t be a problem for him. While this debate may not end up being a ratings blockbuster, the flattening of the political media ensures that any big hits, or misses, will resonate far and wide through replays on the web, and on other cable news outlets. Eggheaded clips about the flaws in the 9-9-9 plan aren’t likely to go viral. Plus, I’ve been told by several conservatives who have met Cain that he has an encyclopedic grasp on the minutiae of tax issues, so even if his responses are dubious in nature, he’s not likely to be tripped up.

Mitt Romney will have his hands full fending off desperate, fading candidates like Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann, and probably underestimates the threat that Herman Cain poses. By tomorrow morning, I don’t think he’ll be doing that any more.

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  • Anonymous

    Try to imagine any one of the Republican candidates teaching the second grade.  You can’t.  They’re all too dumb.

  • Mencius

    Cain is not as bat-shit crazy as some of the other GOP candidates, but I have serious doubts that he’ll be the candidate. Not every right-winger is a racist–most aren’t, I think–but there’s definitely enough resistance in the south and elsewhere to stop him from winning. I know some stalwart Limbaugh fans who think Tiger Woods has just been lucky in his career playing a white man’s sport. They despised Obama before they even knew what his platform was in 2008. You could tell how some viewed Cain by how quickly they criticized him for calling Perry’s hunting lease sign “insensitive.” There were people on this site and others saying Cain had crossed the line for calling a Tea Party hero (Perry) out for a racist sign. 

    Plus, Cain has the problem that his 9-9-9 plan won’t hold up under the real scrutiny a presidential nomination will bring. 

    The GOP nomination seems like a mess so far to me because the real career Republicans who have been running the show for years have been using the Tea Party people to forward their agenda of fighting everything Obama does. But the center right and far right are not friends, and when the Tea Party watches as Romney clinches the nomination, they’ll realize they’ve been had.  

  • SammyC

    Trying to pick my favorite Republican candidate is exactly like deciding which STD would be just right for me.

  • Mencius

    Most of the candidates follow the Bocephus line of thinking anyway. “I ain’t too smart because I haven’t been brainwashed by them librul professors who read books or scientists who study them numbers. If global warming is real, how come some weatherman on Fox News says it ain’t? If evolution is real, how come only the librul scientists say so and not Bill O’Reilly?… and that’s why you should vote for me.” 

    Hard to imagine a bunch with a more willfully ignorant attitude. For all the anti-Marxist rhetoric you hear from the right, the right-wing media specializes in the same type of disinformation that started China’s “cultural revolution” under Mao. “No need to think if you just believe,” etc. 

  • Chayal Boded

    You seem llike a reasonable fellow, unlike the idiot koreanwhatever below. have a look at this and tell me what you think. I promise it won’t hurt a bit.  http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction

  • Mencius

    Using that analogy, I’m pretty sure Bachmann would be full-blown AIDS. 

  • Anonymous

    They’re a proud and stupid people. And they take pride in being stupid.

  • Pablo

    Try to imagine Barack Obama teaching sixth grade.

  • Pablo

    Boy, there sure is a lot of hate and hubris in here. How’s that hopeychangey thing working out for ya?

  • Anonymous

    If Cain smacks down unctuous, mealy-mouthed Charlie Rose, he wins big with Conservative base. The debate is rubbish. Republican candidates must confront the liberal media shills, and not play nice.

  • Anonymous

    Are you quoting Sarah Palin to prove my point?

  • Anonymous

    All this guy has is name calling. That shows we are winning.

  • Anonymous

    You have them all already, you don’t need to choose, libby boy.

  • Anonymous

    I bet you have AIDS.

  • C_Sonnier

    Where is Ron Paul in this whole argument?  He continues to be in the top 3 of the polls but yet the media only covers Cain, Romney, Perry, and Bachmann.  What is so bad about Ron Paul that they consider him as a candidate? Maybe it’s because he wants to bring our troops home? Or because he believe’s in a free market?

  • Anonymous

    man, you take so many words to say nothing.

  • Anonymous

    Ahh, All the liberals are upset about the debate. Too bad guys, one of the candidates will win the nomination and the general election and then we will turn back the destruction of America Obama is so intent on.

  • Pablo

    No, I’m asking you a question. You can tell be this thing “?” at the end of it. So, why don’t you answer it?

  • Pablo

    Hey, he’s got hate! And anger. Deep, seething, white hot anger. Borderline rage, really.

  • Anonymous

    You’re asking me how the stupid things Sarah Palin says affect me? Well, I laugh sometimes. I guess that’s about it.

  • Mencius

    You have the rapier wit of an 8 year old, ma’am. 

  • Pablo

    No, nitwit. I’m asking you how Obama is affecting you.

  • Pablo

    And you have the wit of an 8 year old slice of deli meat.

  • Pablo

    Where is Ron Paul in this whole argument?  He continues to be in the top
    3 of the polls but yet the media only covers Cain, Romney, Perry, and
    Bachmann.

    No, not so much.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

  • Anonymous

    Obama is exactly the same as Bush. The Republicans and Obama support all the same policies.

  • Mencius

    I’m sure it tastes better than your bologna. 

  • Guest

    I agree,
     
    All those right wingers are too dumb to realize that exponential increasing the nations debt without implementing any plan to pay back the money is actually a good idea.
     
    They are also too stupid to realize that paying people not to work for two years or longer off the tax payer dime is actually good for the economy.
     
    Unlike smart liberals, dumb GOP politicians think that a bill that effects 1/7th of the economy should actually be read first before it’s passed to “see what’s in it”
     
    Smart liberals know, contrary to what simple mathematics show, that nondiscretionary funding in the form of entitlement programs are absolutely solvent with no need for major adjustments, and we in no shape or form are passing monumental debt off to our future generations.
     
    Dumb right wingers think that a man who has a background as a rocket scientist, software engineer, has turned over two large business enterprises from bankruptcy to resounding success, worked in the highest echelons of the federal reserve, and wrote five books (not one being about himself) is actually more qualified than a community organizer with a questionable Academic record, who served one term in the Senate and voted “present” half of that term…..
     
    Boy…right wingers are dumb!!!

  • Guest

    “Not every right-winger is a racist–most aren’t, I think–but there’s definitely enough resistance in the south and elsewhere to stop him from winning.”

    Wow….your an ignorant one…arnt ya?  I live in the south, have for some time now, and the “racist right wingers” are all about Cain….I guess they havn’t see a picture of him yet huh?

    By the the way, if you want to see some real grade-A racism…I suggest you go visit your left wing friends over at La Razza, the Black Panthers, CBC, or any one of those other orginizations that relies on racial divisions to stay financially solvent and politically relevant.

  • Guest

    Well…if you head down to your nearest OWS demonstration you can have your pick of an STD from any left-winger of your choice!

  • DEFENDER-90

    Herman show them your pride and poise and your commitment to excellce and you will just win baby.

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    I hear what you’re saying, but that was an easy set-up for the Republicons to unload with their little jokes!!

    Be careful because they are ready and waiting for the attack!!

  • Anonymous

    Wow, you are stupid.

    Bush is the one who sent us down this path of exponential debt and financial crisis. He was the first moron ever to cut taxes on billionaires while waging unfunded wars. You blame Obama because he’s trying to fix what you broke. What a moron you are.

    You don’t understand the stuff about reading bills. The reason they don’t know what’s in a bill until it passes is because amendments are made up until the moment it does pass. Republicans used this reality to trick morons into thinking something else was going on. They know you’re a moron.

    Social Security needs a few minor adjustments. Every serious investigation has said the same thing. Republicans have trained morons like you to think it’s insolvent.

    Yes, right wingers are dumb. Thank you for proving it so well.

  • Guest

    “You have the rapier wit of an 8 year old, ma’am. “—>says the guy actively participating in a sophmoric joke about STDs and and voting for the GOP while making references to people genitles tasking like bologne

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    Herb Cain is on Fire!! “Scary Perry”… not so much!!

  • Guest

    Unfortunatly when this happens, the uneployment and food stamp party will be over for the libs, and they may have to go out and get a job versus shitting on police cars

  • Guest

    Ok..I’ll play since I have a few free moments and idiots like you I always find entertaining.
     
    When bush cut taxes….tax revenues actually increased, just like they did when Reagan cut capital gain from 70% to 29%…..revenues doubled.
     
    The permant debt started with FDR and continued to pick up steam after LBJ’s great society, creating a nondiscretionary debt timebomb of medcaid and soc-sec as the baby boomers retired, and continuing to take up a larger and larger portion of our annual budget.
     
    I like your asinine comment about not reading bills either….  By your idiot logic, congress would never actually know specifically what they are legislating until the bill is actually passed.  Are you the same type of clown that writes a huge check and then checks your bank account afterwards? And here’s a newsflash for ya dude…congress and the senate had the bill for weeks, with ample time to read it, and the amendments as well, they chose not to…because idiots like you had no problem with that level of incompetence…
     
    As for social security..sure it does need a few minor adjustments if your idea of minor is three trillion dollars worth of “IOU”s in the account.
     
    Just keep talking dude…..you’ll make the case for your own stupidity more than I ever could.

  • Anonymous

    Moron, the tax revenue went down when the Bush tax cuts took effect, hitting bottom in 2003. I understand you’ve been trained to lie about this, but you have to remember that you are a moron, and Republicans can teach you to say anything.

    The national debt was manageable and not permanent until Reagan bankrupted our country. That’s a fact. The reason you think Reagan was a fiscal conservative is because you are a moron and Republicans know how to take advantage of morons.

    I explained to you how bills pass. You don’t have to believe me, but remember, you are a moron and Republicans always take advantage of morons.

    Thank you once again for proving how amazingly stupid you are.

  • Anonymous

    A 9% federal sales tax is a horrible idea.  Either make the tax rates flatter or leave it alone.

  • Exgoper

    Here’s what CONSERVATIVE economist Bruce Bartlett wrote about Cain’s economic plan (none of this should come as a surprise to anyone who’s listened him try to explain it):

    “At a minimum, the Cain plan is a distributional monstrosity. The poor
    would pay more while the rich would have their taxes cut, with no
    guarantee that economic growth will increase and good reason to believe
    that the budget deficit will increase.
    Even allowing for the poorly thought through promises routinely made on
    the campaign trail, Mr. Cain’s tax plan stands out as exceptionally ill
    conceived.”

  • Guest

    Oh boy…this is fun..
     
    Lets start using some facts now shall we….I really want your special brand of stupid to shine.
     
    I like how you cut off the tax revenue comment at 2003, but when the impacts of the bush tax cuts kicked in, revenues went up 600 billion from 2000 levels in 2008..this was all under Bush tax  cuts of course.  Heres the chart that proves your first moronic comment wrong.
     
    http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/downchart_gr.php?year=2000_2008&view=1&expand&units=b&fy=fy11&chart=F0-fed&bar=0&stack=1&size=m&title&state=US&color=c&local=s
     
     
    Regarding Reagan Bankrupting the country, I don’t ever recall mentioning Reagan as not increasing the national debt.  My comment at the beginning, is you clowns with obama at the helm, under his current spending plan will have increased the debt more in his term as president than every prior president combined.  So if Reagan bankrupted the country to defeat the soviet union during the cold war and usher in the most prosperouse decade in our history,  whats Obama’s excuse for doing it now…and where are the results? 
     
    Anyway…here is your lesson on that
     
    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/debt_deficit_history
     
    And lastly…here is your opportunity to show me the rock bottom depth of your stupidity.  Please show me where you learned about “how bills are passed” highlighting of course the fact that they cannot be read prior to passing them…..any reputable link will do…
     
     
    Anyway, take your meds, wipe the drool off your mouth, and dislodge your head from your ass, I think the odor and lack of oxygen is effecting your ability to understand very simple things.

  • Anonymous

    Moron, revenues WENT DOWN between 2001 and 2008. You have to use real numbers, like the ones supplied by the Office of Management and Budget. You’re using Republican numbers. Remember, you are a moron and Republicans always take advantage of morons. Here are the real numbers:

    http://tinyurl.com/3tujyod

    I really don’t have time to teach you how bills become laws, and I know you’re too stupid to learn. Just try to understand that Republicans used the legislative process to trick you into thinking they don’t know what is in bills. They know you’re a moron and they take advantage of you. I’m not attacking you. I’m just letting you know.

  • Mencius

    Well, brother man, I grew up white in South Texas and I can guarantee you, from years of experience, that there are plenty of deeply racist people there (both white and Hispanic) who will be polite to a black man’s face but call him a n*gger when his back is turned. I’m absolutely certain that at least 90 percent of them are hardcore, foam-at-the-mouth Republicans. The GOP leaders know that this segment of the population is part of their base, and they’ve done nothing to change that. I know plenty of Republicans would vote for Cain, but my point is that there are enough that would never vote for him to sink his nomination. 

    I know I can’t convince you of that, so let’s just wait and watch Romney clinch the nomination and then we can talk about this again. 

  • Pablo

    How about those crickets, huh?

  • Guest

    Dude…I just checked…Like I said by 2005 revinues were above 2000 levels and by 2008 were  500 billion above 2000 levels, immediatly following the final round of bush tax cuts in 2003.

    Just accept the fact that you spent the last hour telling eveyrone who disagrees with you that they are stupid when in fact you are the one who is wrong…..

    Oh yea, and your opinion on how bills should be passed does not equate to house or senate procedure for passing bills, nor is passing bills then finding out what you passed a proper and responsible way to legislate.

    As for your comment on attacking me….dont worry I dont feel attacked either.  When you are as blind as you are, I can only find pitty for you…but never threatened.

  • Anonymous

    It sounds like you’re on the verge of figuring out what just happened. You should be grateful that we were able to make this breakthrough.

    But try to understand that Republicans do this to you every single day, in uncountable ways. They know you will believe the nonsense they feed you because they know you are a moron. Try to remember this as you go about your daily life. Try to understand that you are a danger to our country because you’re so misinformed.

  • vamom22

    Ummm–the South is certainly NOT your little racist problem. Look to the left, that is where you will find it. I live in the South and we are ALL on the CAIN TRAIN.

  • vamom22

    Ummm–the South is certainly NOT your little racist problem. Look to the left, that is where you will find it. I live in the South and we are ALL on the CAIN TRAIN.

  • vamom22

    “Absoultely, certain that 90% percent are Repubs”. Really, how can you tell? Do repubs dress differentely than libs?

  • Guest

    well…yoiu’ve been wrong on everything you’ve said on this thread… and have substantiated none of your claims and the points I have made you respond to with anything but incoherint drivel…similar to someone someone suffering from insanity.   But…regarding who is a danger to the country…you certainly are not…you are a liability. 

  • Guest

    Speaking of the dirty south…I live in Mass for 19 years, and the racism there is no different with the one exception being that when racial slurs are used, they don’t pronounce the “R” at the end of the word.

    I’m not argueing the electability aspect of this, all I’m saying is southern racism may be more overt, but in my opinion…just like you have yours, the existance of racial hatred is equal.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, the Office of Management is Budget is such a flimsy source, unlike the Republican blog sites that you morons use.

    What if you were to try to stop lying? Do you think something bad will happen? Is it similar to the fear that comes when you think maybe there really isn’t a god?

  • Guest

    Have you looked at the source your quoting?  Surely you havn’t so I will help you. although I think your beyond it.

    2000—>2.025 Trillion
    2005—>2.153 trillion
    2006—>2.406 trillion
    2007—>2.568 trillion
    2008—>2.524 trillion

    So anyway….speaking of lying…do remember that dude “Baghdad Bob” at the begining of the Iraq war.  He was the idiot who would stand in Baghdad talking about how American invaders were being slaughterd as tanks were rolling in behind him? 

    You…the fool that you are, are the Baghdad Bob of the mediaite web page.  Congratulations, your ignoance and stupidity is unmatched..

  • Anonymous

    If you were serious, you would provide a link. But since your lying again, just shut up.

  • Guest
  • Anonymous

    Yeah, that’s what I thought. Caught you lying again.

  • Guest

    How many black eyes do you want tonight?

    Here’s the proof to stare you in the face so you can ignore it.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2012/assets/hist.pdf     Look for table 1.1.

    Anything else you need an education on there Bagdhad Bob?

  • Anonymous

    Moron, those are actual dollar amounts. You have to use real dollars. If you don’t use real dollars, you’re comparing apples and oranges. Look at the numbers I gave you from the Office of Management and Budget. I know you’re too stupid to understand any of this, but try.

  • Js 1298

    So wait a minute, you don’t like reagan’s permanent tax increase (which is actually incorrect). Are you not in favor of tax increases like liberals typically are?

  • Guest

    your link doesn’t work.

    But based off your response, I take it that your still not grasping it…so will try again tommorrow. 

    And after we’re done with that, we’ll learn how the earth is round, “up” does not really mean “down”, and 2.568 trillion in 2007 tax revenue is greater than 2.025 trillion in 2000 tax revenue even when using CBO bizarro math (the same orginization that said Obama’s healthcare plan would be budget neutral) to account for inflation.

    So get some rest there Bob…you have a long road ahead to recovery…

  • Anonymous

    The link works fine. Here’s another link where you can learn what real dollars are:

    http://tinyurl.com/3jvubh8

  • Anonymous

    You don’t know that you are paying taxes right now to service Reagan’s debt?  Well, guess what:  You are going to be paying those Reagan taxes for the rest of your life.

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    Hey Korean…2.4 Million jobs LOST – More wars than under Bush, 40% more debt, selling guns to Drug Cartels, 1st EVER reduction in US Credit Rating, Jobs Bill that NOT 1 Democrat would sponsor and that Democrat Senate has blocked TWICE!

    Tell me again, how smart Liberals are……Progressive my A@S!

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    When your neighbor loses his job – its a recession
    When you lose your job – its a depression
    When Obama loses his job – it’s a recovery!

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    The problem with liberalism is that eventually you run out of working people’s money!

    BTW, I have watched Obama when the teleprompter went down…he sure as hell isn’t a genius.

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    Hey, ask Professor Obama to show me that elusive 57th state…LOL

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    ”President Obama just held his first monthly bipartisan meeting and said that working together on jobs would be a good place to start. You know where else would have been a good place to start? A year ago.” —Jimmy Fallon

  • Anonymous

    I see you post a lot, but never address the topic at hand.  Are you a crazy person?

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    Since taking office on January 19, 2009, Obama has increased the national debt by 40%.
    Since taking office in 2009, Obama’s economic policies have resulted in 2.4 million fewer jobs than during Bush’s worst month EVER. – Reagan CREATED 1.1 MiIllion NEW jobs in just the month of September, 1983.
    Since taking office in 2009, Obama has involved the US military in more conflicts than under Bush.
    Since taking office in 2009, Obama’s America has seen more people lose their homes than during the Great Depression.
    Real unemployment of working age black youth is estimated to be 40+% by the Dept of Labor.

    I could go on but I don’t like to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent…

    He’s your guy….OWN HIM!

  • Anonymous

    Moron, I’m not an Obama supporter.

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    If you liberals think Obama has a prayer in hell of being re-elected, with his economic mess….you must have skipped your meds.

    The guy is a complete bone head….As simple as he is, Perry brought 1 million jobs to Texas while Obama lost 2.4 Million in all 50 states – not counting the 51st thru 57th states that Obama has mentioned in the past….LOL

    Tell him to give a few hundred billion more to GM and Chrysler, another Half Billion to Solyndra, and while he’s at it – toss $800,000,000,000 in a fire – which would serve us better than the ZERO NET JOBS he created with his BS stimulus plan….

    Maybe if he sells enough guns to the Mexican drug cartels, he can pay us back all the money he has pissed away.

    HE’S YOUR GUY – OWN HIM!

    The problem with socialists is that eventually they run out of other people’s money.

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    I’m amazed that you would even personally know “90%” of the ALL racists in Texas….You must really travel a lot….

    Everyone pay attention…right here is another FINE example of why we have to spend more money on education.

    If you want me to take anything you say seriously….start by not insulting my intelligence with pulled out of your ass statements like that.

    I’ve been to Harlem where blacks demonstrated against Bill Clinton for renting an office there….were they republicans?

    Here is a video of a black guy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p50qHzC01E0&feature=youtu.be speaking in a megaphone, publicly calling for the killing of white people and even white babies – on the street in broad daylight ….is he a Republican? He must be, he’s a racist and as you claim….90% of racists are republicans….No, He is the Philadelphia leader of the New Black Panther Party, King Samir Shabazz……and just look at the hundreds of blacks rallying around him and NOT ONE says it’s wrong.

    You know what I think….while 90% of racists certainly are NOT republicans….90% of idiots just might be liberals!

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    Check the FBI national crime statistics – 90% of racially motivated violent crime over the past 15 years has been directed AGAINST white people…so leave that BS at home OK…this is about failed policies and anything else is an attempt to distract from the absolute mess that this liberal government has left us with!

    4 more years of liberals and we’ll be worse than Greece.

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    They actually do…watching the democrats protesting in NY….liberals are mostly dirty and unwashed…so you can smell them before they mug you to “redistribute” your wealth.

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    The KLAN hasn’t slammed Herman Cain ….no, it’s been the black congressional caucus and their liberal friends in the media….

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    Sammy….Yours might be AIDS, the way U let Obama F@CK U

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    You don’t mean the lady that took in 23 abandoned children…do you?

    Classless now has a face…smile 4 the camera

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    Mencius, Aren’t you the guy that called information and asked for the number for 9-1-1?

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    Hey Lee…if we gave you guys a penny for your thoughts, you would have to give us change.

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    Ron Paul wants rid of the FED that manipulates our currency. Cain was Chairman of the Fed Reserve in Kansas City….he also said they didn’t need an audit of the Fed but when they had a partial audit…they discovered Trillions in unlisted loans….No Shit

  • http://twitter.com/experthelp1 Brian Essworthy

    The US Constitution says “Money shall be coined gold and silver”…..and if we still used Gold…we wouldn’t have worthless toilet paper for money…..so exactly when did they amend that part of the Constitution…oh yeah…they didn’t.

  • Guest

    Hey!….  Good morning there Bagdhad Bob…..I see we were up all night yammering some more drivel on the boards.  Unemployed are we?

    Anyway, we’re going to do a little classroom exercise today. 

    Today we are going to show everybody what the the Total  federal tax revenue was in 2000, 2006, and 2007 using actual dollars.  

    Then Baghdad Bob’s is going to use his ”Real Dollars” formula to see if Tax Revenue was still higher even with Bush’s Tax cuts in place….

    Here you go:
    2000—>2.025 Trillion
    2006—>2.406 trillion2007—>2.568 trillion

    Are you ready Bagdhad Bob?…..go….

  • Anonymous

    Once again you ignore the facts because they don’t serve you. I tried to educate you, but because you’re a Republican, you cannot be educated. No surprise.

  • Common Sense not so Common

    In response to Exgoper:

    So you state that a “CONSERVATIVE” economist claims that Cain’s 999 plan is a “distributional monstrosity.”  Okay, let’s break all of this down shall we?
     
    First, you can claim Bruce Barlett is a conservative, Bruce himself can claim it but that doesn’t make it necessarily mean it’s true.  Hell, he can call himself ink pen for all intensive purposes but that doesn’t make it so.  First, he claims the 2008 recession is GW Bush’s and the Republicans fault all due to his Medicare Drug plan.  Anyone that argues this certainly is not taking a conservative stance and also has no clue about what caused this mess.  Look at the books he’s either written or wrote forwards in; they’re anything but conservative.  A few of them are:  1) The Failure of Reagonomics, 2) Imposter (a book bashing GW Bush).  Barlett is an opponent of the Fair Tax, he promotes Keynesian philosophy (if you don’t know what that is, look it up, it’s anything but a conservative standpoint), he called Rick Perry an idiot for claiming Bernanke was almost committing treason for the quantitative easing.  Really, what else would it be called to purposely manipulate a country’s currency?  Seems like a pretty accurate assessment to me except for the “almost” part.  Barlett is far from a conservative.
     
    I’m certainly no fan of Bush when it came to his fiscal policy, but putting the recession on him is beyond laughable.  Maybe you lib’s could step out of your utopian liberal bubbles for long enough to take an impartial view on what really kicked this off.  Look into Carter’s Community Reinvestment Act and look at what Clinton did to put in on steroids.  Look at the deals Barney Frank did with Freddie and Fannie.  The fed forced banks to lend money to people that the banks new didn’t meet the necessary criteria for loan repayment.  Hundreds of thousands of home loans were given to people that had no business owning property in their current economic situations.  Loans weren’t paid, foreclosures ensued, housing bubble burst, lenders stopped lending, banks failed, etcetera etcetera.  He claims times were great under Clinton and Bush could have learned a thing or two from him…….. ugh…… It’s really easy to say times were great under Clinton.  He avoided wars even though we were attacked because he was a coward.  So Great!!! No war under Clinton.  He forced banks to lend money for people to get homes that shouldn’t have been loaned to them in the first place.  So Great!!!  Everyone’s getting houses and the home building industry boomed under Clinton and that issued in a time of economic growth!  How super!!!  Bush get’s in office, things start turning to Sh!t due to Mr BJ’s policies.  The housing market crashes, banks fail, foreclosures galore, etc.  It’s easy to say Bush caused it, not so easy to back it up with actual facts (which I know lib’s don’t like to use, but I must insist we examine what actually occurs in the real world).   It always seems like the Republicans have to spend their 4 years in office cleaning up the mess the Democrat children caused while they were in office.  Don’t get me wrong, the Republicans have been turned their backs on the country too for their own political gain as well.  What do you think caused the tea party?
     
    And are you trying to state it’s hard to understand Cain’s plan?  I suppose everything is relative but what exactly are you comparing it’s comprehension to?  If you compare it to blinking eyelids, I suppose I could agree it’s difficult when compared to that, considering blinking your eyelids is an automatic impulse.  But have you looked at the current tax code?  You cannot be serious that Cain’s 999 plan is too hard to understand ESPECIALLY when you look at the current tax code!  Let me help you understand it.  Payroll tax drops to a flat 9% tax.  Corporate tax is a flat tax of 9%.  And a federal tax of 9% is added to all new consumer goods.  OH MY GOODNESS…. I’M SO CONFUSED!
     
    Bartlett claims the poor would pay more tax while the rich would pay less.  This is both a half truth and a half lie.  Stay with me here and try to follow this.  The poor pay no federal income tax.  If anything is taken out of their checks (assuming they have jobs), every tax season, because of their tax bracket, any withheld tax is refunded anyway.  Yes, the rich will pay less “CORPORATE” Tax but what your boy Barlett conveniently forgot to mention is that they are now paying not only the 9% corp tax, but also a 9% income tax AND tax on every single new item they buy.  Yachts, homes, cars, jewelry for their mistress(s), whatever.  Can you fathom the tax revenue the fed would receive from that?  And back to the poor paying taxes.  Our nation’s bar for what’s considered poor would be laughable if it wasn’t so insulting when compared to other countries.  Take our poor and switch them with the poor of Uganda and see what our “poor” really think of poverty.  Our “poor” receive free housing, free cell phones and cell phone minutes, free food, free education, now free healthcare, and there are active bills pursuing free internet.  Please, poor.  Don’t you think our “poor” should at least contribute 9% of their income to the fed in the form of a consumption tax?  Think of all the revenue from liquor sales alone!  Or is asking our welfare Kings and Queens to pay “their fair share” too much to ask?  Everyone says to the “rich bankers,”  “pay your fair share!!!”  These are the very people that create jobs by both hiring people to work for them, and buying products that keep workers working to produce such products.  And all the libs want to do is redistribute their hard earned money to people that did absolutely nothing to earn it.  But let’s just call it “fair share” when the poor pay nothing.
     
    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for charities and helping the needy, but the stagnant welfare life has persisted long enough.  We have charities and churches to help the true needy such as mentally challenged, physically challenged, elderly, abused, etc.  But the people raping the welfare system need to get off their @sses, get a job, and contribute to society and pay “their fair share.”
     
    Moving on.  Barlett throws out this wonderful sentence referring to Cain’s 999 plan, “…with no guarantee that economic growth will increase and good reason to believe that the budget deficit will increase.”  Well that’s a convenient opinion backed up with no solid evidence.  That sentence could have just as easily read, “…with no guarantee that economic growth will NOT increase and good reason to believe that the budget deficit will DECREASE.”  But that wouldn’t have gone along with his blatantly obvious agenda.
     
    And he ends with another profound opinion, “Even allowing for the poorly thought through promises routinely made on the campaign trail, Mr. Cain’s tax plan stands out as exceptionally illconceived.”   Wow…. Simply a brilliant statement that proves Barlett will go down in history as one of the world’s greatest orators. 

    oh, and If you don’t like Cain, you’re a racist.  < Just thought I'd use your own liberal argument.
     
    I leave you with this quote, “Okay, so you voted for Obama to prove you weren’t racist, now vote for Cain to prove you’re not stupid.”

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