They are obviously racists.

If only Obama had seized controll of BP and sentenced the whole board of directors to death. Those two would have wet themselves in excitement.

LMAO. I couldn’t believe my ears. But have no fear, tomorrow night, bowing Brian will make it all better. I’m sure Stephi will hold up Obama and CNN carried his water big time.

God I hope Bobby Jindal runs in 2012 so we can kick this moron out of the oval office.

Howard Fineman

“Let’s give the president credit for wanting to do the right thing.”

Bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

George Bush . Please stop causing these things .

Headline on Newsbusters:

Stephanopoulos Enchanted By Obama’s ‘Marshal Language’ and ‘Feel of FDR’

LOL LOL LOL

Who will ever take this dem operative as a serious journalist ever? Too funny. Lifting up teh One to levels unknown to man. Stephy must have gotten those talking points direct from Rham. Too damn funny.

Everyone who actually listened and watched is panning the remarks, but not Stephi. He is embarrassing himself, his network, all in the name of Teh One, the great Obama…they way, the light.

If you offend KO, you have really done something. First Carville, and now this.

Ouch!

DIANE SAWYER: “Only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

No, the only thing we need to fear is the continued incompetence of this administration.

These guys are idiots!

Matthews wants to put stupid people in charge and doesn’t want a bipartisan blue ribbon panel, he’d rather have an autocrat who can be dismissed as a political hack. He wants the President to put everything on hold, so that he can guide the robots with the wrench like it’s some kind of Atari game and he’d rather Obama specify how he’s going to force BP to perform in advance, so that could bore the audience and give the oil company’s lawyers a heads-up before laying down the order.

And that’s not even touching upon the sludge flowing from the other two guy’s mouths.

Love or hate Obama; Agree or disagree with his policies, but the clip above is a handful of poseurs with no real credentials deluding themselves into believing they are experts.

Magister says:
June 15, 2010 at 9:41 pm”

Here is a tissue.

The good news for Obama is that he has lip-free butt cheeks for the first time in three years.

I guess we have reached the limits of blaming Bush. You know you have lost it, when you have lost the home team.

Oh and by the way Matthews… You worked for Jimmy Carter, who one of the big criticisms of his administration was that he was too hands-on and didn’t properly delegate. Apparently based on the above clip, you’re trying to lead Obama down that same primrose path.

Who knows, maybe the second try is the charm.

I did like it when BHO lied about drilling so far offshore because we are running out of oil.

No , we are drilling so far offshore because of the environmentalists.

@notsofast: I just don’t see what they or anyone expect the President to do. He’s appointed some investigators, has pledged to charge the offenders and will push for the resources to help rebuild. There isn’t a lot else he can do and to a large extent, I agree with Fareed Zakaria.

MSNBC talking heads firmly and somewhat fairly believe they significantly helped elect Obama . So if this president isn’t constantly pushing the liberal agenda at all costs they feel personally offended . Just jam jam jam Mr. President !

Magister,
He was offered help from those who had resources to help and told them NO. The Dutch are appearantly experts in this area and offered help at the start and were told No thanks! And that’s just one example. Do you acknowledge that that was a HUGE screw-up?

Oh, I take that back…

Maybe he could call the Justice League to get Superman to fly over the Gulf in a tight circle; Wonder Woman to lasso the gathered oil up; Batman to invent a cap for Aquaman to install; While the girl WonderTwin takes the form of an eagle to guide the birds to her brother, who has taken the form of a rock.

One thing I have learned about the media over the years is they love to build up an individual so they can tear them down later. I guess later has started already……

Magister says:
June 15, 2010 at 9:51 pm

@notsofast: I just don’t see what they or anyone expect the President to do. He’s appointed some investigators, has pledged to charge the offenders and will push for the resources to help rebuild. There isn’t a lot else he can do and to a large extent, I agree with Fareed Zakaria.”

4 weeks ago, the former Pres. of Shell oil said that Saudia Arabia had huge tanker skimmers and that with 4-5 of them you could soak up 1 million gallons a day. That was 4 weeks ago.

Numerous people have been on TV showing how to soak up the oil. Sure ya need to stop it, but that won’t be possible until the other well is finished.

So far the Jones Act and the NIH mentality ( not invented here) have prevailed.

The topic, Michelle, is the speech. What the Dutch may or may not have offered is extraneous unless the offer came in the midst of the speech. We would all be interested in your review of the speech itself.

All the conservatives have nothing but glowing things to say about corporate management, and they are constantly ripping the government for interfering in that magnificent business model, but when the President essentially trusts the corporation, and does not rush in, he is lambasted for not involving the government. Funny.

valkyrie101 says:

YAWN!

And, yes, Sarah Palin got to be the first to respond to his message over there.

Yes first… right after the four people Bret Baier, and (of course) Bill O’Reilly. But after all those folks, yes, she was first.

Magister says:
June 15, 2010 at 9:41 pm

…but the clip above is a handful of poseurs with no real credentials deluding themselves into believing they are experts.

I believe many of us have been saying that for years.

valkyrie101 says:

KO, CM and HF are not conservatives.

Try staying on topic!

@MichelleF: I don’t know the circumstances of the Dutch call. I’ve seen a clip of Palin talking about it, but I don’t know who called who; Was it the Dutch government or Royal Dutch – Shell and did they call the White House or BP and if they called the White House were they referred to BP, plus what about the fact that all the oil companies had the same “plan” and though I’m familiar with the North Sea, I can’t recall a spill this big.

Otherwise, yeah, we should’ve rode BP harder from the beginning and we shouldn’t had let them bullshit us for so long about the magnitude, so that they might try to hold down their per-barrel penalties, but there will always be time to address the past and I was commenting on the above analysis of the speech tonight.

Yeah, he’s lost that loving feeling for now but come election time, ol’ tingles and the gang will regain that loving feeling. Obama could run against Jesus and they’d be back to carrying his water. For now though, it’s fun to watch.

John Simpson: Great line @ 9:19 pm.

You gotta wonder if Olby will name himself, tingles & fineman as the werst puhsons in the weeerld tomorrow.

There’s a couple of run-on sentences in that last comment and while I was typing, I missed notsofast’s other response; But again, though it’s the past and I’m sure everything will be investigated, who were all these people and companies offering to help supposed to call? Up until relatively recently, perhaps a little late, but that’s neither here nor there… but up until relatively recently, we were trusting that BP had a plan.

The myth of the superior management by corporations has been debunked. The U.S. should form its own drilling company and develope our nation’s oil for the benefit of the American people and not some foreign or even domestic company and its multi-millionaire corporate officials. Talk about waste. I guarantee you that the U.S. could form a company to drill oil that could easily rival the private oil companies. And the profits would flow into the coffers of the U.S. instead of some private party, foreign or domestic.

Oh and though it is off-topic for the MSNBC analysis… If the Saudis have a big boat, it would’ve been BP’s responsibility to contract for their services and maybe the President could’ve ordered them, but it would’ve been their phone call.

but up until relatively recently, we were trusting that BP had a plan.”

Really, then why did BHO repeatedly say his administration was in charge?

That is what these commentators are taking about here. Who the hell is in charge and when you make incredible assertions, on what basis are you making those assertions. 90% of leak to be contained in a few days?

Why should we give away our oil reserves to private companies? That is like the American people giving it away for a relative few dollars. That makes no sense.

LoneStar77 I guarantee that Olbermann’s hypocritical ass, will name someone from FOX as Worst’ tommorrow for being critical of Obama’s speech . LOL , I got $100 on it !

Magister says:
June 15, 2010 at 10:10 pm

Oh and though it is off-topic for the MSNBC analysis… If the Saudis have a big boat, it would’ve been BP’s responsibility to contract for their services and maybe the President could’ve ordered them, but it would’ve been their phone call.”

So this late in the game, your major concern is who is supposed to make the call.

That’s great!

Valktrie:

I guarantee you that the U.S. could form a company to drill oil that could easily rival the private oil companies.’

yes, the govt. has done so well with the Post Office, SS and Medicare.

If only the folks over at MSNBC were as partisan as the fine folks at Fox News we wouldn’t have to post something like this. Oh well. ImNotBlue, tell me where I’m wrong, please.

tjl says:
June 15, 2010 at 10:15 pm

If only the folks over at MSNBC were as partisan as the fine folks at Fox News we wouldn’t have to post something like this.”

Yeah, they are so non-partisan.

KO:

““In short, in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees. In any other time in our history, this man would have been laughed off the stage as an unqualified and a disaster in the making by the most conservative of conservatives. Instead, the commonwealth of Massachusetts is close to sending this bad joke to the Senate of the United States.”

Try something new.

The Real Royal King says:
June 15, 2010 at 9:58 pm
The topic, Michelle, is the speech. What the Dutch may or may not have offered is extraneous unless the offer came in the midst of the speech. We would all be interested in your review of the speech itself.

King, see were having a nice, respectful conversation and then you have to try to stir things up. I was commenting on speech, specifically the part where he said they were on it on Day 1 and I was saying they were offered help and turned it down. Why do you feel the need to start a fight?

Notsofast,
Those are relatively small operations. How about the military, or the space program. Eh?

tjl, it would help if you read the article:

“:It was a fairly shocking display of disapproval from two of Obama’s biggest supporters in the media in the past. If the speech had Chris Matthews enraged and demanding executive leadership, it’s not hard to imagine what Michael Steele and company are drafting in response.”

“If I’ve lost Olbermann, I’ve lost America.” – BHO

Good point, Troll. Oh, and whoever suggested taking over the oil industry…please go bury your head in sand. Thanks!

@notsofast: It took me a minute to find it and I had to start my kid on a Clifford game…

But I’m pretty sure that the only times I’ve commented on the governance of the oil spill response on this site was first to Tommy’s post on 5/21, where the press corp started to rebel and again nine days later, when I linked back to the earlier thread.

IOW: You haven’t caught me in an inconsistency, but nice try.

. valkyrie101 says:
June 15, 2010 at 10:22 pm

Notsofast,
Those are relatively small operations. How about the military, or the space program. Eh?

Medicare budget in 2009 was 413 billion. Defense for 2011 – 549 billion. Medicare is hardly a small item.

And the space program?

BHO is going the opposite way.

White House Decides to Outsource NASA Work

By ANDY PASZTOR

The White House has decided to begin funding private companies to carry NASA astronauts into space, but the proposal faces major political and budget hurdles, according to people familiar with the matter.

Military? Mercenaries are much, much cheaper.

King, here is another comment on the speech for you. I thought him pushing cap and trade when the oil is still flowing was disgusting. He appears to be listening to Rham, “you can’t waste a tragedy” Emmanuel.

Magister says:
June 15, 2010 at 10:38 pm

@notsofast: It took me a minute to find it and I had to start my kid on a Clifford game…

But I’m pretty sure that the only times I’ve commented on the governance of the oil spill response on this site was first to Tommy’s post on 5/21, where the press corp started to rebel and again nine days later, when I linked back to the earlier thread.

IOW: You haven’t caught me in an inconsistency, but nice try.”

Where did I?

You seem more concerned about who should call whom and not how to fix the problem.

I see you are in the blame game too, which BHO is losing so quickly.

Obama refused help from Britain:

A high-level British offer of help to clean up the Gulf of Mexico oil spill was rebuffed by America shortly after the accident, fuelling fresh fears of political tension between the two countries over the disaster.

A few days after the BP-leased rig sank on April 22, the Cabinet Office made a direct offer to the US State Department to airlift half of Britain’s 1,200-tonne stockpile of chemical dispersants, The Times has learnt.

At the time there was an urgent demand for fresh supplies. The offer to provide the chemicals, at the cost price of £3 million, was made through diplomatic channels and via the Civil Contingency Secretariat, the Government’s emergency planning unit.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Energy and Climate Change, which was also involved in drafting the plan, said that the US had chosen not to accept the offer. Officials said the US claimed that the chemicals held in Britain did not have the correct paperwork.

And the Netherlands:

Three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch government offered to help. It was willing to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms, and it proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands. According to the Houston Chronicle though, Obama and BP basically said “thanks, but no thanks.”

The response from the Obama administration and BP, which are coordinating the cleanup: “The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’” said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston.

@notsofast: As I said on the other thread, the one from when the White House first asserted that they are in charge, the government didn’t/doesn’t have the expertise and though we’re probably going to come out of this armed for the future, it wouldn’t be cost-effective for us to have a standing army or fully-equipped militia for another eventuality. Again, as I said back there, if we were to do it under the UN and pay for it with some kind of international tax treaty, but that would come with its own political problems.

So, no. I’m not playing the blame game and other than those shots about how four weeks ago, it was was still BP’s responsibility and that they may have purposefully underestimated the flow because there’s a per-barrel fine, I don’t think I’m trying to assign blame.

And… we’re getting further and further from the gist of the main post.

As I said:

That is what these commentators are taking about here. Who the hell is in charge and when you make incredible assertions, on what basis are you making those assertions. 90% of leak to be contained in a few days?

@MichelleF: I’m sure all that will come out in an investigation, but it doesn’t have a lot to do with what Chris Matthews thought should have been in the speech.

The other thread was from 5/21 and MSNBC is asking, who is in charge?

Clearly not the WH.

And… we’re getting further and further from the gist of the main post.”

Really?

Who said:

“@notsofast: I just don’t see what they or anyone expect the President to do. He’s appointed some investigators, has pledged to charge the offenders and will push for the resources to help rebuild. There isn’t a lot else he can do and to a large extent, I agree with Fareed Zakaria.”

Magister, How about if you and King worry about what you post and I will worry about what I post?

Ouch!

The bigger issue is why anyone would think BHO could do anything about this spill. He hasn’t been successful at solving anything else.

It looks like these 3 had faulty blowout preventers..

How many employees in the social security administration or medicare administration? Notsofast. Essentially the government just passes money through the social security and medicare administrations. The military or space program, by most accounts, are run pretty well. And those are socialist, government owned and run operations.

My original point is that BP, this mega great mega successful corporation SNAFUed big time. We could do better ourselves, and make lots of money do boot. Why not?

@ Michelle:

Of course they ditched the Dutch offer, because at that time BP, seemingly the expert, assured everybody that things are under control and the environmental impact would be minimal. And they kept saying that for weeks. There was no reason for the administration to doubt BP in the first two weeks. After all, conservatives would have called Obama anti-capitalist if he would have expressed any distrust in the multi-national oil giant that early on.

Here’s how I see it: BP distorted the truth about the tragedy as long as they could. Obama simply was too trustful for too long and now get’s bashed for it. Rightfully so! Now that the mess is epic, of course there’s no easy way moving forward.

BTW: I think all the conservatives here should rather keep it quite. Their agenda of unregulated crazy capitalism is exactly what desasters like this are to be be associated with. Call it a pricetag.

valkyrie101 says:
June 15, 2010 at 11:14 pm

How many employees in the social security administration or medicare administration? ”

Irrelevant.

The Dutch are appearantly experts in this area and offered help at the start and were told No thanks!

Yes they said no because the technique the Dutch use violates U.S. regulations.

Interesting that you seem less concerned about Jindal only spending less than $3 million of the $25 million in disaster relief funding that he was given or only mobilizing 1,500 of the 5,000 National Guard troops put at his disposal for clean-up and containment.

It sure does exemplify the problem of electing someone with virtually no experience, but talks a good game. Remember those Hilary commercials where the phone rang at 3am?

BTW: I think all the conservatives here should rather keep it quite. Their agenda of unregulated crazy capitalism is exactly what desasters like this are to be be associated with. Call it a pricetag.”

Unregulated? The oil industry is one of the most regulated industries in the USA.

@MichelleF: I’m sorry. I didn’t mean that as a comment directed toward your opinion, rather I meant it as a signal that I’m pretty much done. I’m sure anything and everything will go into some 9/11 Commission report, but arguing about who took a phone call and whether they passed along a message doesn’t have a lot to do with the post and 9 out of 10 cases, unless it’s an easy factoid, a column or I feel particularly frisky, I personally try to stay close to the main topic.

After all, I’m not going to change your mind; You aren’t going to change mine and engaging in a big back and forth via somebody else’s site, much further down a comment thread than most people are likely to read isn’t really my cup of tea.

I may chime-in again later, but I simply meant that I was done. Apologies for not being clear.

amesA1102 says:
June 15, 2010 at 11:15 pm

The Dutch are appearantly experts in this area and offered help at the start and were told No thanks!

Yes they said no because the technique the Dutch use violates U.S. regulations. ”

ROTFLMAO!

That’s the funniest thing posted today!

Poor james:

Three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch government offered to help.

It was willing to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms, and it proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands.

The response from the Obama administration and BP, which are coordinating the cleanup: “The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’” said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston.

Now, almost seven weeks later, as the oil spewing from the battered well spreads across the Gulf and soils pristine beaches and coastline, BP and our government have reconsidered.

U.S. ships are being outfitted this week with four pairs of the skimming booms airlifted from the Netherlands and should be deployed within days. Each pair can process 5 million gallons of water a day, removing 20,000 tons of oil and sludge.

My apologizes if I misunderstood you, Magister. Have a great night!

Notsofast,
Social Security and Medicare are not government owned operations as much as they are an “administration”, a pass through. The military is an operation with hundreds of thousands of employees deployed all over the world handling life or death situations daily. How would it be different to run a company with ten thousand or so employees and drill for oil on government land with the national treasury getting the profits. Our American government workers literally mastered rocket science, do you think we can not handle drilling for oil?

As I said:

And the space program?

BHO is going the opposite way.

White House Decides to Outsource NASA Work

By ANDY PASZTOR

The White House has decided to begin funding private companies to carry NASA astronauts into space, but the proposal faces major political and budget hurdles, according to people familiar with the matter.

Military? Mercenaries are much, much cheaper.

U.S. ships are being outfitted this week with four pairs of the skimming booms airlifted from the Netherlands and should be deployed within days. Each pair can process 5 million gallons of water a day, removing 20,000 tons of oil and sludge.

So they are using US not the Dutch ships or techinques that violated our regulations and just using the booms provided the Dutch.

ClearPoint says:
June 15, 2010 at 9:31 pm
God I hope Bobby Jindal runs in 2012 so we can kick this moron out of the oval office.
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OH! Do you mean the same Bobby Jindal in April that was screaming about big Government and how they didn’t need any help from Obama’s big government? Now he’s screaming about getting all the big government and funds he can get down there.

Can you say HYPOCRITE?

JamesA1102 says:
June 15, 2010 at 11:33 pm

U.S. ships are being outfitted this week with four pairs of the skimming booms airlifted from the Netherlands and should be deployed within days. Each pair can process 5 million gallons of water a day, removing 20,000 tons of oil and sludge.

So they are using US not the Dutch ships or techinques that violated our regulations and just using the booms provided the Dutch.”

They violated regulations?

ROTHFLMAO!

James, you are the original Catch -22!

If two of the dumbest people on Earth can figure out that Obama is an empty suit there is hope. Hope and change.

They violated regulations?

Yes the techniques the Dutch ships use violate to our regulations. The Dutch ships use a process that pumps too much oil and other dangerous chemicals back into the sea.

James, you are the original Catch -22!

If by Catch-22 you mean making a factual intelligent point while an idiot who can’t refute it just throws out insults instead, than I woul have to agree with you.

” The Real Royal King says:
June 15, 2010 at 9:58 pm

The topic, Michelle, is the speech. What the Dutch may or may not have offered is extraneous unless the offer came in the midst of the speech. We would all be interested in your review of the speech itself.”

.
The King of All Trolls who delights in sidetracking and hijacking every thread with his smarmy comments seems to also have added the Kingdom of Hypocricy to his empire.

Wasn’t it just yesterday that Steve was talking “BAN” for TRRK b/c of that unfortunate habit of his?

the real john t says:
June 15, 2010 at 11:39 pm
ClearPoint says:
June 15, 2010 at 9:31 pm
God I hope Bobby Jindal runs in 2012 so we can kick this moron out of the oval office.
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OH! Do you mean the same Bobby Jindal in April that was screaming about big Government and how they didn’t need any help from Obama’s big government? Now he’s screaming about getting all the big government and funds he can get down there.

Can you say HYPOCRITE?

So you stand by and cheer as Obama gives them close to nothing. Dumbass John T.

If BHO et al had the managerial skills of a hot dog vendor they would have coordinated both private and governmental resources here and internationally long before the absolute need for a massive cleanup became obvious to a hermit living in the caves of Afghanistan.

This is not Katrina. The crisis wasn’t a moving target that devastated 90,000 sq miles that made logistics a nightmare. Much of the material that was staged prior to Katrina wound up being in the area of devastation. Many of the areas most in need of help were isolated by the very enormity of the damage a 100 or more miles inland.

BHO, community organizer extraordinaire, has handled this as just that. He is great at talk and even that he started late. A crisis needs a strong leader with the sense to anticipate and be proactive. BHO, and it seems those he has surrounded himself with, have been dismal failures at that but absolutely great at imagery such as “boot to the throat” and “kick ass”.

Yes, all the usual tea party folk here, the ones that constantly complain about government interference in business, are not demanding the government take over a blown business operation.

Grammie says:
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Why don’t you go back to Dollar’s Dump where you belong. AW, that’s right, the nursing home it’s run out of as probably shut him off for the night. I guess they don’t know you’re still awake and on the computer.

oops, “are now demanding…”

valkyrie101 says:
June 16, 2010 at 1:19 am
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You’re exactly right. A bunch of damn hypocrites.

valkyrie101 says:
June 16, 2010 at 1:19 am

Yes, all the usual tea party folk here, the ones that constantly complain about government interference in business, are not demanding the government take over a blown business operation.

.
Who has “demanded” that, Val?

the real john t says:
June 16, 2010 at 1:19 am

Grammie says:
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Why don’t you go back to Dollar’s Dump where you belong. AW, that’s right, the nursing home it’s run out of as probably shut him off for the night. I guess they don’t know you’re still awake and on the computer.

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Hey, Frances, does Mediaite condone such attacks on senior citizens such as I? Does anyone here have the right to suggest that others are not welcome or does Mediaite reserve that privilege for themselves?

@real john t
June 15, 2010 at 11:39 pm:
OH! Do you mean the same Bobby Jindal in April that was screaming about big Government and how they didn’t need any help from Obama’s big government? Now he’s screaming about getting all the big government and funds he can get down there.

Can you say HYPOCRITE?

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Let’s see… did you happen to see that this is the Worst Ecological Disaster in United States History? Jindal was requesting emergency funds almost immediately in order to protect Louisiana’s wetlands and two primary industries (shrimping and oil). And the Administration (D) twiddled their thumbs just like the Governor (D) and Mayor of New Orleans (D) did when the previous administration was saying, “Get your people out of there!” when Katrina was coming.

Back in April (if memory serves- I could be wrong), Jindal was saying that the economy of Louisiana did not need federal funds to “stimulate” the economy and grow the (non-producing) government sector, but rather real solutions to grow the (producing) private sector.

Hypocritical? No. Your calling him a hypocrite? Partisan, and a ad hominem attack that’s unwarranted considering the situations involved.

– S.

Janet,
Speaking of J$’s place where is the “queen of mean” –Cecelia– these days?

Yes JohnT, Teabaggers are f’ing hypocrites. I will enjoy seeing their pathetic asses exposed on Chris Mathew’s special tommorow.

Grammie wrote: June 16, 2010 at 12:40 am
Wasn’t it just yesterday that Steve was talking “BAN” for TRRK b/c of that unfortunate habit of his?

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Grammie, if you’re referring to my comment on the Palin/Thatcher thread, I asked requested civility between the TRRK and Gordon; I didn’t request a ban. Sometimes TRRK does post informative comments (although I typically don’t agree with some of his editorial viewpoints, I do respect his right to hold those viewpoints.)

– S.

In case the memo hasn’t made it through- those participating in the marches now call themselves “Tea Partiers”, not the derogatory term used by those leaning politically to the left. This would be similar to using the “N” word (either the 5 or 6 letter word) to refer to African-Americans.

Please get with the times, and begin to behave civilly. You may not agree with thier viewpoints; respect the fact that it’s a free country, and they are allowed to have those viewpoints (just as you are allowed to have and speak your own.)

– S.

SteveM says:
June 16, 2010 at 1:47 am

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Steve, I thought that Steve Krakaur made such a statement about TRRK, Gordon and two others I don’t remember now. That was what I was referencing.

Steve K’s comment was about the hijacking nature of the comments not anyone’s opinions.

Since there was apparently some titillation caused by Steve Krakauer’s rebuke, I will repost the comment below:

“I think I’ll just ban all of you. MrGlenn, TRRK, Trolling4libs, GordonBloyer. It’s embarrassing the low level you’ve taken our comment section.”

And of those four individuals listed, the only one I support banning is Trolling4libs, although GordonBloyer is on the bubble.

This is a positive: With MSNBC beoming somewhat critical of the spill response will only do more good than harm.

It takes a journalistic villiage to hold culprits in a catastrophe accountable. Some sense of media consensus will only heighten the actions to cap, clean and prevent this and future spills.

Political parties and their idelogical ‘armies’ may not like it, but it will only benefit towards more effective action and a spotlight to help those in the Gulf region that will be impacted the most. Unfied press will only amplify and pressure BP, govt and others to do better. Less political tactics and more genuine strategy to confront the spill

It’s hard to locate an issue/impact that trumps political ideology within press/media. This spill for how long it’s gone on, the disonnected cleanup efforts, the keeping media and reporters at bay and destructive impacts may end up being one of those issues that the media/press ignores political ideology and holds culprits accountable. What’s best for all

This didn’t happen a single damn time on Fox News during the 8 years of George W. Bush’s presidency.

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Looks like the Democat National Committee’s check to MSNBC bounced.

There was some discussion of aid from foreign countries mentioned earlier and I just ran across this story about some of the aid offered, what’s being requested, the timeline that some has been accepted and why some may not have received what they felt was an adequate response.

>Phocus2 says:
>June 16, 2010 at 2:43 am
>Looks like the Democat National Committee’s check to MSNBC bounced.

MSNBC is far more fair and more balanced than Fox News will ever be. FBC keeps cashing those checks.

Just more words. Alls I heard was “blah blah blah.’ One thing I think we call can agree on is that what a politician says, and does are two different things. There were no details here, nor any specifics. It was a failure, in my opinion.

In one respect I am happy (and shocked) that Olbermann and Matthews finally were able to show some honesty. But on the other hand its because of people like them who got Obama elected in the first place. They didnt care what he did or what he said, they were in full spin mode during the election. They did what they accuse Fox News of doing.

“valkyrie101 says:
June 15, 2010 at 9:59 pm
All the conservatives have nothing but glowing things to say about corporate management, and they are constantly ripping the government for interfering in that magnificent business model, but when the President essentially trusts the corporation, and does not rush in, he is lambasted for not involving the government. Funny.”

Do you always use “partisan speak”? I would say that generally conservatives think that the market place is better at producing a strong economy and the government is better at protecting us (military, police, etc.). You, the real racist king, american cowboy, m, magister, big f deal, and others seem only interested in spinning things so that your ‘boy” comes out on top. Get a grip. Pointing fingers does not solve a crisis.

Hey barry..when you lose the chatter-monkeys..you’ve lost your job.

Rich,
Come on Rich, all the tea party folk talk about is how government involvement in business via regulation, laws, etc., is a horrendous communist conspiracy. But now, its, “hey, why isn’t the government taking control of the situation.”

my God – since Obama’s failed speech – seems like Magister is so frustrated he’s about to cry. He’s having a hard time playing the “blame game”,

I wanna help -

to make life easier for him – heres a link to a simple tool that will make his endless excuse making for obama easier -

Its Obama Apologist Bingo!!!

http://news.lavenderliberal.com/2009/06/20/obama-apologist-bingo/

Obama is more lost than the passengers of Oceanic Flight 815. He has absoluutely no idea what he’s doing. Democrats need to dump him in 2012 or else he’ll drag down scores of senators, governors, and congressmen.

Nice dream, jk.

Jindal was requesting emergency funds almost immediately in order to protect Louisiana’s wetlands and two primary industries

Yeah and he got $25 Million in emergency funds from the Federal government weeks ago but has only spent about $3 Million of it so far. Jindal also had 5,000 National Guard troops put at his disposal by the President for clean-up and containment but has only mobilized 1,500 of them.

Fuck Jindal. That guy is the biggest hypocrite of all time.

First he reuses stimulus money on the grounds Obama is overspending, then he uses it and brags.

Then he says he wants small government, then cries like a baby when his state doesn’t get any Federal money.

The far lefties are eating their own. Usual devotees such as Olbermann, Matthews, Stewart, Michael Moore and others are now criticizing Obama, leaving our left wing posters here in a quandry. Go along with the other lefties and criticize the (non) job Obama has been doing, or divert the subject onto the tea party or some other topic and hope the problem goes away? With Bush and Katrina, the left felt that cleaning up disasters should all be on the feds and any failures were Bush’s fault. Now they claim it’s all local or private and Obama has little to do with it. Focus on Jindal instead of Obama. The left didn’t seem that anxious to focus on Ray Nagin or Louisiana’s Democratic governor of the time after Katrina. It was all on Bush. How times have changed.

Obama is not an idealogue for the green movement. And he is not nearly as liberal and partisan as KO and others want. Obama turns out to be pretty moderate.

Nobody on the right has the right to criticize Obama or government inaction on the oil spill, since for months now all we have heard is that the federal government is useless and should stay out of private business, which is somehow so great. So now one of those vaunted corporations, and the entire oil industry in general, demonstrates itself to be totally inept, and some of you are complaining that Obama has not taken decisive enough action. Too funny.

valk, the difference you lefties don’t get is that we don’t want government regulating every aspect of our private lives. We don’t say government should never be involved in anything. The oil spill is one of those examples. When Bush was slow to act after Katrina, I didn’t give him a pass. The feds and the local officials all shared responsibility. That’s the case with the oil spill. Obama isn’t solely to blame, but he and the feds do share the blame. There’s no excuse for waiting so long to take action, or for turning down help from others.

No, not just your private lives, writer, you do not like government regulation of business. Your side claims that environmental regulations are a bad thing, and that they hurt the bottom line of the capitalists, and thus the national economy. That is your side’s big mantra. According to your view, BP should have taken care of the spill all by themselves. And Obama originally did that. Those on the left wanted swift government intervention and now they are complaining that Obama did not get the government involved soon enough, or extensively enough in the overall problem. But you on the right are idealogically against government intervention in business matters.

valk, you’re not getting it. My ‘side’ doesn’t say government should never be involved in anything. I’ll try again. If BP owned a shop and spilled a quart of oil on the floor, I don’t think government needs to get involved. But when something affects thousands of miles of territory and millions of people, it’s no longer a private matter. It’s a public matter, and the government does need to get involved. Keep believing that conservatives want no government involvement in anything whatsoever. Trouble is, it’s not true. Not wanting it involved in everything doesn’t mean we don’t want it involved in anything.

Cheap shots. Mindless. Childish. Emotional. Gutterish. Shameful.

50K people a year die from lack of health care and when the government sought to intervene to prevent that catastrophe the tea party crowd screams “unconstitutional”, let the uninsured just die early. And Bobby Jindal was right out there in front with that crap. Now he gets a little oil on his state’s beaches and he is begging for federal aide.

@valkyrie101: I try to avoid too much partisanship, but another example of the situational politics used by pundits and posters was Wall Street reform: Towards the en of the health care debate, the Republicans said it was too much to do all at one time and that reform should be done incrementally, while when the conversation changed to Wall Street reform many of these same people would say that the bill being considered didn’t go for enough and that it didn’t address a lot of the system.

valk, I know that many on the left take the all or none position on things. If you’re against people entering the country illegally, then you hate all immigrants. If you have a disagreement with one black person, you hate all blacks. If you want limited government, then you want no government. Real life doesn’t work that way, and most conservatives don’t say that they want no government, no matter how many times you keep repeating it. Besides that, I’m failing to see your point. If some tea partiers call for limited government, then are you saying that to teach them a lesson we should let the entire gulf coast drown in oil? Despite your hatred of Bobby Jindal, he isn’t the only person being affected by the oil spill. Not really getting exactly what you’re arguing.

Hypocrisy, my friend, tea party hypocrisy. They need to stop trashing Obama for a failure of the conservative business model.

But the tea party isn’t in charge. Obama is. And it isn’t just tea partiers who have been criticizing his reaction to the oil spill. Many who felt Obama could do no wrong are now blasting him. Do you consider that hypocrisy? And given the government’s slow and inept reaction to oil cleanup, it does give some credence to the position that government doesn’t handle some things well. In this instance, BP isn’t handling it either. If anyone in the tea party said they don’t want government involved in anything at all, and are now calling for government help, then yeah, that would be hypocrisy. But again, wanting limited government is different from wanting no government involvement. And again, what you’re not getting is that the scope of this spill moved it way beyond a private matter and into a public concern. I don’t believe tea partiers are against the government protecting the public welfare.

” I will enjoy seeing their pathetic asses exposed on Chris Mathew’s special tommorow.”

Chrissy Hissy Fit can count on one in his audience. Admit to that? Gack.

I doubt whether Karl Marx would have done a good job at being a capitalist, either, thus -0bama’s failure to understand capitalism is…understandable.

@notsofast…..”No , we are drilling so far offshore because of the environmentalists.”

yea especially when you leave out the fact that shallow water oil drilling exists,.yea im sure it broke bps heart to create that well..,.give me a break,,..,does JD give you kiss on the cheek b4 he tears you up from behind?

@michell,.”The Dutch are appearantly experts in this area and offered help at the start and were told No thanks!”

lemme guess,.,you heard that from your messiah aka school girl crush glen beck.,.,wasnt he the one who said we should say fuck you to outside help.,.,like when its his saudi boss wanting to give $$$ for 911

“I doubt whether Karl Marx would have done a good job at being a capitalist, either, thus -0bama’s failure to understand capitalism is…understandable.”

idiot

keep yer socialist hands off mah medicare