Did they take a soldiers words out of context again to pretend like he was against the war like Bathtub boy did last night?

Wow, we are REALLY lowering the bar on what is considered a superstar, eh frannie!

BTW, this is how Olberdork celebrated the occassion:

Olbermann Uses Words of U.S. Soldier to Bolster Anti-War Agenda, Ignores Soldier’s Support for Iraq Mission

On Monday’s Countdown show, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann used a clip of U.S. Army Staff Sergeant Tim Osborn, stationed in Iraq, commenting on how he had previously felt that the war in Iraq “wasn’t ever going to stop,” to fit into the Countdown host’s suggestion that American troops had remained in Iraq too long. But what Olbermann did not show his viewers is that Staff Sergeant Osborn had also expressed strong support for the war effort in a clip which was shown earlier that evening on the NBC Nightly News during a piece which correspondent Richard Engel filed from Iraq:

RICHARD ENGEL: He tells me his greatest accomplishment: giving Iraqis a chance.

STAFF SERGEANT TIM OSBORN, U.S. ARMY: If what was going on here was going on in America, I wouldn’t want my kids to grow up in that world. I would want somebody else to come in and help. And if it took them doing what we did here, then I would welcome that.

But Olbermann was apparently only interested in using a clip of Staff Sergeant Osborn that would fit into the MSNBC host’s characteristic anti-war shtick:

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/08/18/olbermann-uses-words-u-s-soldier-bolster-anti-war-agenda-ignores-sold#ixzz0x0G7SZbk

Maddow , Matthews , O’ Donnell , Herr Olbermann . Just need The Donny , Sgt . Schultz , Rat-guy , Norah and Brokaw for the All-Whacko Team .

Anti-War Brigade has invaded Iraq.

Shock & Awwwwwwww

A milestone we having been looking forward to for years!

Fox is hardly reporting this story at all.

Probably because it doesn’t make Obama look like shit.

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
August 18, 2010 at 7:46 pm (Quote)
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“Fox is hardly reporting this story at all.
Probably because it doesn’t make Obama look like shit.”

What would you have them do? NBC was given the scoop by the Pentagon. How is CNNABCCBS covering it? Try using your brain rather than your emotions, genius.

This is outstanding live reporting.WMD,Nuclear Weapons,Iraq ties to 9/11,Iraq as a looming danger in the Mid-East is the reason we went to war in the first place.ALL WRONG!!!!Now 7 years later Fox and the rightwing chickenhawks who sat back while others died has no idea that this is the greatest foreign policy disaster America has ever seen.Keith Olberman is now Walter Cronkite.He was right all along.

“Fox is hardly reporting this story at all. Probably because it doesn’t make Obama look like shit.” BFD

There are too many other stories to cover that do make Obama look like shit. Fox is on top of all of them!

“no idea that this is the greatest foreign policy disaster America has ever seen” chucken

Greater then Vietnam?

lonestar77 said:
Big_F-ing_Deal says:
August 18, 2010 at 7:46 pm (Quote)
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“Fox is hardly reporting this story at all.
Probably because it doesn’t make Obama look like shit.”

What would you have them do? NBC was given the scoop by the Pentagon. How is CNNABCCBS covering it? Try using your brain rather than your emotions, genius.

Hard to argue with this. Of course, it’s equally difficult to make any sense of it .

Azarkhan said:
“no idea that this is the greatest foreign policy disaster America has ever seen” chucken

Greater then Vietnam?

Looks more and more that way.

Our long national nightmare ends.

No cheap politics. Simply: Thanks be to God!

Check out JourNoList thread:

BECUASE WE CAN

http://bigjournalism.com/fross/2010/08/17/journolist-open-thread-because-we-can/#idc-container

chucken says:
blahblah, sreech, scream, yada, poo poo.

Dude, take a valium. Your head is gonna explode. What’s so exciting about watching someone who hates the military, report on them? Is he gonna completely misrepresent the views of an actual soldier again tonight? Or, is he going to just be his usual insane self? Let me know!

“Looks more and more that way.” ReFlex76

So we’re not there yet? Good. Then the Iraqis still have a chance to form a coalition government and develop a stable democracy. That opportunity ended a long time ago in Vietnam.

Only when this happens will Iraq truly be a free nation again.

Azarkhan said:
“Looks more and more that way.” ReFlex76

So we’re not there yet? Good. Then the Iraqis still have a chance to form a coalition government and develop a stable democracy. That opportunity ended a long time ago in Vietnam.

Vietnam is a free nation as it is, and one of our better allies and trade partners in the region. Good thing they forgave us.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Fox is hardly reporting this story at all. Probably because it doesn’t make Obama look like shit.

Obama makes Obama look like shit. No one else needs to do it.

“Only when this happens will Iraq truly be a free nation again” ReFlex76

I figured you for an asshole, but I didn’t know you were that big an asshole.

lonestar77 said:
How is CNNABCCBS covering it?

Ummm…CNN is doing a live hour on it with Rick Sanchez while Fox is running it’s pre-taped O’Reilly Factor on the Mosque. lolol

“Vietnam is a free nation as it is,” ReFlex76

Now you’re just being pathetic.

We knew North Vietnam was a Commie country trying to convert the South.At least that was true. Everything about Iraq was a lie.

1.4 million people dead.

Invading Iraq was a mistake.

27 million people robbed of their freedom.

Invading Iraq was a mistake.

No WMDs.

Invading Iraq was a mistake.

A potential ally against Al-Qaueda (Saddam Hussein) removed.

Invading Iraq was a mistake.

A bulwark against Iran and Shi’ite extremists removed.

Invading Iraq was a mistake.

Considerable US forces diverted from where they were actually needed.

Invading Iraq was a mistake.

A world that was with us turned against us.

Invading Iraq was a mistake.

Five simple words.

Invading Iraq was a mistake.

Azarkhan said:
“Vietnam is a free nation as it is,” ReFlex76

Now you’re just being pathetic.

What a shocker, a Vietnam revisionist.

lonestar77 hating the military is not only sending them into war for no reason but completely fucking up the operation in the process.Here is a towel to wipe the blood off your hands.

lonestar77 said:
Did they take a soldiers words out of context again to pretend like he was against the war like Bathtub boy did last night?

So, you spend time in bathtubs.

“Everything about Iraq was a lie.” chucken

Perhaps. I don’t believe that but many leftists do. But there is one important truth. The Iraqi people were in the grip of a vicious, murderous family that had imposed a ruthless dictatorship on the country. And now they’re not.

“What a shocker, a Vietnam revisionist.”

What a shocker, a 60′s leftist.

I’ve been watching this coverage since it broke. NBC and MSNBC deserve credit for their outstanding live reporting here. Shame it immediately had to turn into MSNBC vs Fox in the comments section already.

Politics aside, (which MSNBC has been doing remarkably well all afternoon with this) this is, as Lt. DeWitt (sp?) said best (as interviewed by Engle), “an important moment for the U.S. military men and women,” (paraphrased of course).

The live technology they were touting was also impressive. Probably the clearest picture and sound I’ve ever experienced watching a live report from a remote area, and certainly the first time I’ve seen while moving. I was very impressed that they managed to pull that off (for the most part) and, like a 3 way satellite interview between Engle approaching the Kuwait border and Maddow in the International Zone in Baghdad. Wow.

Very moving to be there with the last brigade on the last patrol, to be there with that Lt. as he left that place for good.

That’s like saying, “My friend was in horrible pain when he stubbed his toe, so I shot him. Now he’s not in horrible pain.”

ReFlex says:

“27 million people robbed of their freedom.”
“A potential ally against Al-Qaueda (Saddam Hussein) removed.”

You are nuttier than squirrel poop. If I see on the news that a mental patient escaped, I’ll alert the authorities.

chucken says:
August 18, 2010 at 8:13 pm (Quote)
blah, blood, blah

Incredibly insane. What do you spke your kool-aid with?

BFD:
Live hour with Rick Sanchez vs. pretaped hour with BOR? Uhm, yeah, I wonder what the majority of the people out there want to watch?

“What a shocker, a Vietnam revisionist.” ReFlex76

BTW, everybody figured out a long time ago that communist systems are totalitarian. You must have been skipping high school that day.

It’s hard to believe that this travesty has played in the background of pretty much my entire professional life to date. I’m so glad it’s finally over. I just worry about the traumatized troops that will leave Iraq, only to end up in Afghanistan later.

Dear right wing Media, (Fox)

You fuck with the Real News Media, You Fuck the Real Administration, You Get Shit Coverage.

I guess you could cry all you want. “Rupert, NBC News got all the coverage, Please Daddy Rupert, I want some.”

Eat Shit and Die FOX.

Love,

The Real News Media.

Dear “real news media”,

We kick your trash on a daily basis. We win, you lose!!!

Love Fox News

Dear NBC,

We are giving you this coverage because, you , haven’t investigated our Administration , you helped get Barack elected , you carry our water daily , you never ask tough questions. Job well done – Whitehouse

Dear JournOlisto’s,
Even our middle of the night shows beat your prime time lineup. Chew on fhat for a while, losers!

Love,
Roger Ailes!

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Thank you ‘W’ for the SURGE!
– despite the Pres. & V.P. ASSURING us it would never work!!!

Kinda reminds you of the 8% Unemployment we have too!!!

LOL!!

lonestar77 said:
BFD:
Live hour with Rick Sanchez vs. pretaped hour with BOR? Uhm, yeah, I wonder what the majority of the people out there want to watch?

That wasn’t your question. Remember your original question? The one you asked like a snooty little punk-assed bitch?

Haha…MSNBC and CNN are covering the ending of a seven year war and Bill is doing body language.

Dear Lame Stream media,
My sincere apologies that the war you AND the regime waged on us only made us stronger. Better luck next time!

Love,
Rupert

Quick, close the borders, keep those left-wing hate mongers in Iraq. Let them start the TalibanNBC.

MichelleF said:
Dear “real news media”,

We kick your trash on a daily basis. We win, you lose!!!

No, actually you and the other idiots lose by virtue of being…you. Understood? No? Figures.

We did not and would not have gone to war to free Iraq from a brutal dictator.You want the names of other countrys as bad as Iraq in 2003?By the way Billo on Fox was doing a “Body Language” segment that was as always pre-taped so the pervert can edit out any comments that make him look stupid.And he is #1 why?

“We did not and would not have gone to war to free Iraq from a brutal dictator” chucken

Whatever the reason, that is in fact what we did.

Isn’t it PATHETIC how the Anti-SURGE Left now tries taking credit for a winning strategy they did everything they could to undermine!!!!

- and these Democratic leeches are still in office for 4 more months!!
- and their PATHETIC lackeys at NBC, CBS, AP, the Times, etc. just Lie & Lie & Lie for them!

A Vote for ANY Democrat is a Vote for the Obama Regime & their “Victory Mosque!”

Azarkhan said:
“What a shocker, a Vietnam revisionist.”

What a shocker, a 60’s leftist.

Interesting, considering I was born in 1976.

Azarkhan said:
“What a shocker, a Vietnam revisionist.” ReFlex76

BTW, everybody figured out a long time ago that communist systems are totalitarian. You must have been skipping high school that day.

There are no foreign soldiers, or any foreign military presence in Vietnam, that is true freedom.

THE OBAMA VICTORY MOSQUE!

That’s what they’re calling it now! – ‘Victory’ for how it’s being perceived by the radical islamists that attacked us!

DEMAND every dem candidate state their position on the Victory Mosque!
- be sure to hang this albatross around their political heads for November 2!

Remember, a Vote for ANY Democrat is a Vote for the Obama Victory Mosque!!

Seriously, BFD, what would you do if you were Fox? Who is in the building? Ainsley Earhardt? Would you put some scrub on to cover this or go with the #1 program in the history of cable news? Sanchez always does this hour live. I believe it’s in the title of his show. He’s there.

Save the foul language.

NORBIT says:
August 18, 2010 at 8:48 pm NORBIT(Quote)
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Isn’t it PATHETIC how the Anti-SURGE Left now tries taking credit for a winning strategy they did everything they could to undermine!!!!

- and these Democratic leeches are still in office for 4 more months!!
- and their PATHETIC lackeys at NBC, CBS, AP, the Times, etc. just Lie & Lie & Lie for them!

A Vote for ANY Democrat is a Vote for the Obama Regime & their “Victory Mosque!”
#######################################################################

Hey, Delmer Dumbfuck,

We did vote in 2008. You Fucking Lost, Remember. You will lose again in 2012. Get over it.

MichelleF said:
Dear Lame Stream media,My sincere apologies that the war you AND the regime waged on us only made us stronger. Better luck next time! Love,Rupert

On a solemn but celebratory night, it is such a terrible shame you felt it necessary to be so characteristically crass and petty.

MichelleF said:
Chew on fhat for a while, losers!

Presumably, while you chew on your cud?

CNN and FOX are both covering, now, whilst O’Hannity os kvetching about the mosque.

The Real Royal King says:
August 18, 2010 at 8:57 pm The Real Royal King(Quote)
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MichelleF said:
Dear Lame Stream media,My sincere apologies that the war you AND the regime waged on us only made us stronger. Better luck next time! Love,Rupert

On a solemn but celebratory night, it is such a terrible shame you felt it necessary to be so characteristically crass and petty.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

RRR,
These assholes never voted for Obama to start with. They act like 12 year old jag off’s. It does no good to even let them see your response. They are so full of hatred for losing the 2008 election, nothing will change thier mind. The best you can hope for is for them to choke on thier anger. lol. They are so funny. LOL,LOL

TEAM PELOSI says they’re going to expand INVESTIGATING the 70% of Americans opposed to the mosque, to include opposition to other DEMOCRATIC JUNTA programs!!!!

Ask your neighbors: Who are the Democrats INVESTIGATING on YOUR BLOCK???
If Holder will be doing the “INVESTIGATIONS”, is he going after WHITES ONLY? – as is alleged!!!!

lonestar77 said:
Seriously, BFD, what would you do if you were Fox? Who is in the building? Ainsley Earhardt? Would you put some scrub on to cover this or go with the #1 program in the history of cable news? Sanchez always does this hour live. I believe it’s in the title of his show. He’s there.

Save the foul language.

That sure is a different batch of excuses you were giving an hour ago about the “Pentagon” giving away a “scoop”.

Try and stick to one set of excuses please, it’s easier to keep track of them. kthx

DEMOCRATS are trying to turn the US into a third-world banana republic!!!!

NOVEMBER 2!

NOVEMBER 2!

NOVEMBER 2!

Remember the Obama ‘Victory Mosque’!!
——————————————————–

Democrats support ABC religious rights – Anyone But Christians!!!!

A LIST OF lonestar77 excuses for Fox…..

1 – They didn’t get the Pentagon scoop

2 – That’s not what the people want to watch.

3 – (my favorite) There’s no one in the building. lol

ReFlex76 said:
Looks more and more that way.

Nonsense. On both counts.

Please tell me that NBC/MSNBC is reporting all of this in the context of the Status of Forces Agreement that Bush signed in December of 07, right?

Or are they giving hehimselftehone all the credit?

Obama was against the surge, as was Biden….we know all of that.

Was NBC/MSNBC given the scoop because they were given the script to go along with it? It wouldn’t surprise me.

All hail he himself teh one, the Obamasiah.

Thanks to the perseverance of “General Betrayus” (I recall Olbermann just loved that) and President Bush and VP Cheney, our mission is ending (at least this phase of it) in compliance with the SOFA negotiated by President Bush and the Iraqi Government.

All hail our troops and those who led them to this point (and it wasn’t hehimself).

lonestar77 said:
Seriously, BFD, what would you do if you were Fox? Who is in the building? Ainsley Earhardt? Would you put some scrub on to cover this or go with the #1 program in the history of cable news? Sanchez always does this hour live. I believe it’s in the title of his show. He’s there.

You’re right. It’s totally unfair to criticize Fox for this. They are not a news organization, they have no business prioritizing this historic moment over their own business interests.

TfT said:
Please tell me that NBC/MSNBC is reporting all of this in the context of the Status of Forces Agreement that Bush signed in December of 07, right? Or are they giving hehimselftehone all the credit? Obama was against the surge, as was Biden….we know all of that. Was NBC/MSNBC given the scoop because they were given the script to go along with it? It wouldn’t surprise me. All hail he himself teh one, the Obamasiah. Thanks to the perseverance of “General Betrayus” (I recall Olbermann just loved that) and President Bush and VP Cheney, our mission is ending (at least this phase of it) in compliance with the SOFA negotiated by President Bush and the Iraqi Government. All hail our troops and those who led them to this point (and it wasn’t hehimself).

What scoop? CNN is covering the story from the scene as well. This is big news. Of course, FOX is not covering it. I fully expect that Greta O’Van Karlson will be telling us about some little Muslim boy who cut in front of another little boy at a snowcone stand in Dearborn.

Some_Dude said:
It’s hard to believe that this travesty has played in the background of pretty much my entire professional life to date. I’m so glad it’s finally over. I just worry about the traumatized troops that will leave Iraq, only to end up in Afghanistan later.

Well said. I was just thinking the same thing. We’ve been at war my entire adult life… and we still are.

April 1975 when the US helicopters got the last Americans the hell out of Vietman for good by a courageous President Ford every media outlet at the time did wall to wall coverage.But now not Fox, Sean Hannity after a 15 second headline went to GOP hacks Karl Rove and Frank Luntz for more Mosque racist bashing.Truly pathetic.

TfT said:
Please tell me that NBC/MSNBC is reporting all of this in the context of the Status of Forces Agreement that Bush signed in December of 07, right?

No worries, they are ;)

Just watch it for yourself, it won’t burn your eyes off I promise. They’re being very fair, no one is praising Obama, and no one is slamming Bush. They are covering the event.

Richard Engel holding his emotions back, after stepping into Kuwait for the first time, and watching them close the gates behind the last vehicle (symbolizing the real end) was quite moving actually.

Catch msnbc right now; they’re giving their daily press briefing on behalf of the Obama White House!

The jist of the msnbc coverage on Afghanistan is that, killing innocent people with predator drones is OK if it’s a Progressive Democratic President that’s killing them!!!!

TfT said:
Was NBC/MSNBC given the scoop because they were given the script to go along with it? It wouldn’t surprise me.

All hail he himself teh one, the Obamasiah.

I suspect NBC was given “the scoop” because of their very impressive and exclusive “Bloom Mobile” (I think that’s what they called it) which allows them to broadcast live from a moving vehicle. It was named after David Bloom, the NBC reporter that last used the technology in 2003 when we first went into Iraq, and subsequently died.

So, they seemingly “got the scoop” from the Bush administration too. But maybe that was also a reward for not being too critical.

TfT said:
Please tell me that NBC/MSNBC is reporting all of this in the context of the Status of Forces Agreement that Bush signed in December of 07, right?

Or are they giving hehimselftehone all the credit?

Obama was against the surge, as was Biden….we know all of that.

Was NBC/MSNBC given the scoop because they were given the script to go along with it? It wouldn’t surprise me.

All hail he himself teh one, the Obamasiah.

Thanks to the perseverance of “General Betrayus” (I recall Olbermann just loved that) and President Bush and VP Cheney, our mission is ending (at least this phase of it) in compliance with the SOFA negotiated by President Bush and the Iraqi Government.

All hail our troops and those who led them to this point (and it wasn’t hehimself).

“SOFA” only delayed the inevitable pull-out, and left more people dead; they’re getting the “credit” they deserve. Heck, they should be getting a one-way trip to The Hague, so they’re lucky in that way.

chucken said:
April 1975 when the US helicopters got the last Americans the hell out of Vietman for good by a courageous President Ford every media outlet at the time did wall to wall coverage.But now not Fox, Sean Hannity after a 15 second headline went to GOP hacks Karl Rove and Frank Luntz for more Mosque racist bashing.Truly pathetic.

——————————————————–

You’re right; MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Thank you for the surge ‘W’! – despite the Pres & VP, who did everything they could to prevent this day!!!!!

NORBIT said:
——————————————————– You’re right; MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Thank you for the surge ‘W’! – despite the Pres & VP, who did everything they could to prevent this day!!!!!

Yeah. After years of denying we needed more troops and thousands of American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths as a result.

“Interesting, considering I was born in 1976.” ReFlex76

Sorry, I thought you were much older. Mindset is what counts.

Ways to make it up to Iraq for the invasion:

1. Re-nationalize Iraq’s petrochemical industry: prove this wasn’t about the oil.

2. Erect a statue of and in honor of Saddam Hussein in Tikrit. The tearing down of his statues was a big symbol of the invasion, putting it in his home town (where he is still respected) is a huge way of correcting that mistake.

3. Finish pulling out the remaining “support” soldiers.

4. Turn over any remaining US bases and/or property.

5. Clear the way for partition, including theoretical boundaries for the post-Iraq nations.

“There are no foreign soldiers, or any foreign military presence in Vietnam, that is true freedom.” ReFlex76

Yes, of course it is. True freedom. I’m sure the Vietnamese and Chinese people who are not part of the Communist party apparatus those countries will be glad to hear that.

coalminecanary said:
TfT said:
Was NBC/MSNBC given the scoop because they were given the script to go along with it? It wouldn’t surprise me.
All hail he himself teh one, the Obamasiah.
I suspect NBC was given “the scoop” because of their very impressive and exclusive “Bloom Mobile” (I think that’s what they called it) which allows them to broadcast live from a moving vehicle. It was named after David Bloom, the NBC reporter that last used the technology in 2003 when we first went into Iraq, and subsequently died.
So, they seemingly “got the scoop” from the Bush administration too. But maybe that was also a reward for not being too critical.

Don’t worry, TfT. Things will change when Gretchen O’Van Susteren starts. She is going to show the Drop Out First Dude fell and tree and talk to Willow about what’s it’s like to be named after a tree.

The President will make a comment after his much-needed 10-Day vacation, following his fund-raising duties & 45 golf games, etc.

Hey, Queen Michelle said after her trip to Spain, she’s getting real close to feeling proud of her country for the Second Time!!! – Maybe a few more world-vacations, and she’ll let us know!!

“Ways to make it up to Iraq for the invasion:” ReFlex76

6. ReFlex76 goes to Tikrit to kiss the ass of every relative still living of Saddam Hussein.

PS: Do you realize you sound like an idiot?

2. Erect a statue of and in honor of Saddam Hussein in Tikrit. The tearing down of his statues was a big symbol of the invasion, putting it in his home town (where he is still respected) is a huge way of correcting that mistake.

This is why I absolutely DESPISE the ignorant far left CODE PINK degenerates.

You are a fucking moron in the most offensive way.

As a OIF veteran myself , burn in hell .

Ahhhhhhhhhhh- the Iraq war- the one that Harry Reid said we lost and the one that was won by the troop surge which Barry was against.

Let’s hear VP Bite Me again claim that Iraq is one of Obama’s biggest successes.

From The LA Times:

Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama’s ‘great achievements’
February 11, 2010 | 2:26 am

Who knew?

Thank goodness, Vice President Joe Biden went on CNN to chat with Larry King Wednesday night. So many think things are not going so well for the Democrat administration, as The Ticket chronicled here.

Many Americans recall the ex-Sen. Biden’s Democratic primary plans to give in to Iraq’s fractious factions and carve the country into three territories. And even more probably recall Biden’s boss’ plan to halt the Iraq war years ago. As long as it got started anyway without the permission of the then state senator.

Plus, of course, the vehement opposition of the Nobel Prize winner to the 2007 American troop surge of you-know-who from Texas that Obama knew for certain was only going to worsen sectarian strife there.

Well, of course, it didn’t turn out that way, thanks in large measure to the brave service of hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops who served in that war-torn land and helped peace to break out despite the loud political acrimony back home over their role.

Now, the Obama-Biden pair that opposed the Iraq war and its tactics and predicted their failure is prepared to accept credit for its success.

It seems that Biden, who’s from Delaware when he’s in Delaware and Pennsylvania when in Pennsylvania, is certain now that Iraq will turn out to be one of the Obama-Biden administration’s greatest achievements.

No, really.

Here’s how Biden put it to Lar:

” I am very optimistic about — about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You’re going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You’re going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.

I spent — I’ve been there 17 times now. I go about every two months — three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It’s impressed me. I’ve been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.”

Biden did not elaborate on what all the administration’s other “great achievements” were so far.

BTW, who is that sweaty man in the photo?

ReFlex76 said:
Looks more and more that way.

Oh let’s see now Vietnam.

Started by Kennedy (D)

Eccelerated by Johnson(D)

On November 27 1965, President Johnson announced a significant escalation of U.S. involvement in Indochina, from 120,000 to 400,000 troops.

In February 1966, a group of about 100 veterans attempted to return their decorations to the White House in protest of the war, but were turned back.

On April 15 1967, 400,000 people marched from Central Park to the UN building in New York City to protest the war, where they were addressed by critics of the war such as Benjamin Spock, Martin Luther King, and Jan Barry Crumb, a veteran of the conflict. (Funny I don’t remember 400,000 people marching anywhere against Bush.)

July 30 1967: Gallup poll reported 52% of Americans disapproved of Johnson’s handling of the war; 41% thought the U.S. made a mistake in sending troops; over 56% thought U.S. was losing the war or at an impasse

As historian Robert Dallek writes, “Lyndon Johnson’s escalation of the war in Vietnam divided Americans into warring camps… cost 30,000 American lives by the time he left office and destroyed Johnson’s presidency.

(Iraq War deaths as of August 17 2010: 4,415 members of the US Military),

War & Draft Ended by Nixon (R) and that meant EVERYBODY OUT! Obama is still leaving 50,000 Military personel in Iraq. Oh I’m sure nothing will happen to them, and if it does don’t expect MSNBC to say anything about it.

BTW did you know? In 2003, several Democratic congressmen (Charles Rangel of New York, James McDermott of Washington, John Conyers of Michigan, John Lewis of Georgia, Pete Stark of California, Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii) introduced legislation that would draft both men and women into either military or civilian government service, should there be a draft in the future. DEMOCRATS? DRAFT? I’M SHOCKED!

so reflex76 tell me how the Iraq war is looking worse then the Vietnam War. Make sure you guzzle down at least a gallon of MSNBC Kool-Aid first.

One correction, it was Ford (R) not Nixon that ended the war.

ReFlex76 said:
Ways to make it up to Iraq for the invasion:
2. Erect a statue of and in honor of Saddam Hussein in Tikrit. The tearing down of his statues was a big symbol of the invasion, putting it in his home town (where he is still respected) is a huge way of correcting that mistake.

This and your comments about Vietnam are absolutely against what both sides of the American Political divide stand for. You make the left appear to be something its not, and you stroke the irrational fears of the right. And worst of all, I think you’re doing it purposefully.

It doesn’t matter WHO did this. It only matters that all of the combat troops are out of there and on their way home. It doesn’t matter what news organization got to cover it. NBC did only because they had the right kind of equipment to cover it live. So what. The important part is that it happened.

Can’t any of you people on here just say you are glad the troops are out of there?

The Real Royal King said:
Don’t worry, TfT. Things will change when Gretchen O’Van Susteren starts. She is going to show the Drop Out First Dude fell and tree and talk to Willow about what’s it’s like to be named after a tree.

I am a prophet. Gretchen O’Van Susteren is on a boat in Alaska talking to some confused and confusing man. CNN and MSNBC are still covering the news.

One important point all conservatives want to ignore, George W Bush in March 2003 had ALL the power to wage war and conduct the war in Iraq as he saw fit.Period end of conversation.And history clearly shows he and his cohorts could not have fucked things up more if they wanted to.And Greta on Fox is with the 1/2 term Sister Sarah talking oil in Alaska.

ReFlex76 said:
There are no foreign soldiers, or any foreign military presence in Vietnam, that is true freedom.

So if I lived in Vietnam and wanted to protest the Government nothing would happen to us. We wouldn’t disappear suddenly.

In its 2004 report on Human Rights Practices, the U.S. Department of State characterized Vietnam’s human rights record as “poor” and cited the continuation of “serious abuses”. According to the report, the government has imposed restrictions on freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of association.

Vietnam………..True Freedom……….Tell me all about it Pinocchio.

chucken said:
One important point all conservatives want to ignore, George W Bush in March 2003 had ALL the power to wage war and conduct the war in Iraq as he saw fit.Period end of conversation.And history clearly shows he and his cohorts could not have fucked things up more if they wanted to.And Greta on Fox is with the 1/2 term Sister Sarah talking oil in Alaska.

“Lyndon Johnson’s escalation of the war in Vietnam cost 30,000 American lives by the time he left office.”

Now that’s what I call fuckin’ up!

BlackWidow said:
It doesn’t matter WHO did this. It only matters that all of the combat troops are out of there and on their way home. It doesn’t matter what news organization got to cover it. NBC did only because they had the right kind of equipment to cover it live. So what. The important part is that it happened. Can’t any of you people on here just say you are glad the troops are out of there?

There’s still 50,000 still there. 50,000 Combat troops left but 50,000 troops are left for what? So they can become human target practice? When every soldier has left THAT’S WHEN IT’S DONE.

I love this playing numbers by MSNBC. 50,000 is still 50,000. Who’s kidding who? Pull em’ all out Obama then come talk to me.

The Real Royal King said:
I am a prophet. Gretchen O’Van Susteren is on a boat in Alaska talking to some confused and confusing man. CNN and MSNBC are still covering the news.

I love how politics are defined nowadays by cable news networks. It’s not about the troops coming home (until they ultimately return a bit further east); its about which network’s covering it better. Look, King: you want to know the best way to “beat” Fox News: don’t watch it and don’t give it any press. What happens to TV shows people don’t watch? They get canceled.

“talk to Willow about what’s it’s like to be named after a tree.” Royal

Can you talk to us about what it is like to be an asshole?

And one last thing, remember folks how the left told us The Patriot was going to take away our freedoms and we would have wiretaps and Bush was so terrible for doing this and THANK GOD Barry was going to get rid of it?

What was the name of that Micheal Moore movie? Gee Keith! Gee Maddow! Gee Matthews! Gee Whole of MSNBC! Gee GREAT AMERICAN LEFT! How come we don’t hear WOWLS of protest over this?

The Patriot Act, often criticized under President Bush, is now about to be renewed by the Obama administration.

DAMN! That happened over FIVE months ago!

http://www.examiner.com/watchdog-politics-in-national/obama-renewing-bush-s-patriot-act-provisions

You freaks on the left are as Phony as Pawn Vannity.

puck30 you are correct.The war in Vietnam that cost over 50,000 American lives and the Iraq war that cost over 4,000 lives,30,000 injured and close to a trillion dollars is also a mistake.And Keith Olbermann on MSNBC is truly a great journalist unlike MEDIAITE’S Dan Abrams who is a fucking little pussy.

puck30 said:
Oh let’s see now Vietnam.
Started by Kennedy (D)

Maybe you should do dome research before spouting off. Eisenhower was the first to send military personel to Vietnam.

puck30 said:
There’s still 50,000 still there. 50,000 Combat troops left but 50,000 troops are left for what? So they can become human target practice? When every soldier has left THAT’S WHEN IT’S DONE.

I love this playing numbers by MSNBC. 50,000 is still 50,000. Who’s kidding who? Pull em’ all out Obama then come talk to me.

You mean the same way we still have troops in say, oh Korea, and even, gasp, Germany and Japan?

the real john t said:
Maybe you should do dome research before spouting off. Eisenhower was the first to send military personel to Vietnam.

Kennedy in fact (as chronicled in 1, 000 Days) warned of what the Vietnam conflict would become; he said (broad paraphrasing here) that it was essentially the Vietnamese peoples’ conflict and that the US should not dramatically escalate its involvement in it. In simple: Kennedy said “US taking lead in Vietnam conflict = bad. History proved JFK right.

I missed this segment. But I would have enjoyed watching Rachel give credit to Bush for the surge that turned around this military involvement.

She did give credit to the surge, didn’t she?

felixw said:
I missed this segment. But I would have enjoyed watching Rachel give credit to Bush for the surge that turned around this military involvement.

Do you want to give credit to Obama for keeping his promise to pull a lot of troops out of Iraq by the end of August?

Azarkhan said:
“There are no foreign soldiers, or any foreign military presence in Vietnam, that is true freedom.” ReFlex76

Yes, of course it is. True freedom. I’m sure the Vietnamese and Chinese people who are not part of the Communist party apparatus those countries will be glad to hear that.

The concept of national sovereignty is lost on some people.

felixw said:
I missed this segment. But I would have enjoyed watching Rachel give credit to Bush for the surge that turned around this military involvement.

She did give credit to the surge, didn’t she?

The “Surge” (i.e. way to prolong an already-too-long war) got all the “credit” it deserved.

Congratulations to MSNBC tonight. Great coverage.

murf said:
2. Erect a statue of and in honor of Saddam Hussein in Tikrit. The tearing down of his statues was a big symbol of the invasion, putting it in his home town (where he is still respected) is a huge way of correcting that mistake.

This is why I absolutely DESPISE the ignorant far left CODE PINK degenerates.

You are a fucking moron in the most offensive way.

As a OIF veteran myself , burn in hell .

Don’t worry, you’ll eventually realize you took part in something evil; if not, enjoy your trip to The Hague.

NORBIT said:
——————————————————– You’re right; MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Thank you for the surge ‘W’! – despite the Pres & VP, who did everything they could to prevent this day!!!!!

“Thanks for the surge “W”?”

That’s like thanking a burglar for locking the door behind him after ransacking your house.

BlackWidow said:
It doesn’t matter WHO did this. It only matters that all of the combat troops are out of there and on their way home. It doesn’t matter what news organization got to cover it. NBC did only because they had the right kind of equipment to cover it live. So what. The important part is that it happened. Can’t any of you people on here just say you are glad the troops are out of there?

No, they can’t say it, BlackWidow. The neo-cons in here don’t really want these troops home. They want them invading Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen or any host of other middle eastern countries. They want whatever the jingoists on Fox News tell them.

NORBIT said:
TEAM PELOSI says they’re going to expand INVESTIGATING the 70% of Americans opposed to the mosque, to include opposition to other DEMOCRATIC JUNTA programs!!!! Ask your neighbors: Who are the Democrats INVESTIGATING on YOUR BLOCK???If Holder will be doing the “INVESTIGATIONS”, is he going after WHITES ONLY? – as is alleged!!!!

Norbit, you’re not one of those right wingers who think White people are INCAPABLE of crime? Or did you miss the memo about what was REALLY going on in the DOJ regarding race during the past 9 years?

“During the first five years of the Bush administration, the Justice Department’s voting section only filed a single case alleging voting discrimination on behalf of African American voters. That’s despite the fact that the section, part of the Civil Rights Division, was created mainly to protect African American voters from discrimination. “

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/002956.php

Norbit, you can repeat right wing fairy tales that bash Blacks and Whistle Dixie all day long on RightPundit, Hot Air or Stormfront.org. You’ll get applause for it there. Here? I’ll continue to expose your ignorance on these subjects, which in the interest of comity, I hope is ONLY that.

Azarkhan said:
“Everything about Iraq was a lie.” chucken Perhaps. I don’t believe that but many leftists do. But there is one important truth. The Iraqi people were in the grip of a vicious, murderous family that had imposed a ruthless dictatorship on the country. And now they’re not.

And you’re sure about that….why? Have you done personal background checks on the Shia Islamists running the country now? That for all the HYSTERIA in this country revolving around Mosques and Muslims fundamentalists, the Bush Administration deposed a SECULAR Sunni government in Iraq, and replaced it with an Islamic Fundamentalist Shia government with ties to Iran, and the same right wingers are CHEERING about it. You are aware that Saddam Hussein was Reagan’s “guy” right?

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

–Cobra

ReFlex76

You make a fine argument for keeping abortion legal .

Kird said:
This and your comments about Vietnam are absolutely against what both sides of the American Political divide stand for. You make the left appear to be something its not, and you stroke the irrational fears of the right. And worst of all, I think you’re doing it purposefully.

You need to do some research.

Look up the regional differences between “Iraqis”; look up Saddam’s own Sunni background; look up how weak his regime had become, even by the mid-1990s; look up how the Kurds had effectively become their own nation, and the Shi’ites on the south were well on their way; look up how women were treated in Iraq before 2003.

If you demonize Saddam Hussein as a monster, you’re falling for years of propaganda.

Take note Democrats AND Republicans: ReFlex76 wants the US to erect a statue in honor of Saddam Hussein in Tikrit, Iraq. ReFlex76 wants the US to erect a statue of a tyrant who repressed human rights.

ReFlex76 said:
If you demonize Saddam Hussein as a monster, you’re falling for years of propaganda.

So he would be a patriot to you, I suppose?

Mediaite, how come MSNBC got tipped off early by the Pentagon?

ReFlex76 said:
You need to do some research.

Look up the regional differences between “Iraqis”; look up Saddam’s own Sunni background; look up how weak his regime had become, even by the mid-1990s; look up how the Kurds had effectively become their own nation, and the Shi’ites on the south were well on their way; look up how women were treated in Iraq before 2003.

If you demonize Saddam Hussein as a monster, you’re falling for years of propaganda.

I’m sure the Kuwait, and Iran by happenstance, appreciate your support.

Cecelia said:
Mediaite, how come MSNBC got tipped off early by the Pentagon?

DUHHHH!!! Did you ever think it was because Richard Engle was over there covering the troops? Who did Fox have over there?

The Real Royal King said:
On a solemn but celebratory night, it is such a terrible shame you felt it necessary to be so characteristically crass and petty.

That’s right… “crass and petty” are your turf.

the real john t said:
DUHHHH!!! Did you ever think it was because Richard Engle was over there covering the troops? Who did Fox have over there?

Oh, right, John T., and Rachel Maddow just came over there for the turkish coffee.

the real john t said:
Do you want to give credit to Obama for keeping his promise to pull a lot of troops out of Iraq by the end of August?

There would be no troop pullout if not for the Bush surge. Because of that move — done despite total opposition and defeatism on the Left — we now have a fairly stable democracy where an abusive totalitarian hoodlum once ruled. Giving Obama credit for that — when he frequently stated his preference for the totalitarian hoodlum — would be a joke.

ReFlex76 said:
If you demonize Saddam Hussein as a monster, you’re falling for years of propaganda.

The jails he created for school children, and the potter’s fields our soldiers discovered, were urban myths.

Cecelia said:
Mediaite, how come MSNBC got tipped off early by the Pentagon?

More cable news politics; in an ideological cable news world, the favorable network will always get the scoop but I’d tack off the “MS” and tag them as the sidekick who got the gig when the main network switched to programs the real majority watches. Like I said to RRK regarding Fox: If you don’t like MSNBC; don’t watch it and don’t give it press. If “nobody* watches it; like all TV series, it’ll get canceled.

“If you demonize Saddam Hussein as a monster, you’re falling for years of propaganda. ”

It’s one thing not to agree with this war but Reflex76 is entering immediate psych evaluation and straight jacket territory .

ReFLex76′s  Hero Saddam the ” NON – MONSTER ”

The “Anfal” campaign in the late 1980′s against the Iraqi Kurds, including the use of poison gas on cities. In one of the worst single mass killings in recent history, Iraq dropped chemical weapons on Halabja in 1988, in which as many as 5,000 people — mostly civilians — were killed.

Crimes against humanity— genocide against Iraqi Kurds in northern Iraq. This includes the destruction of over 3,000 villages. The Iraqi government’s campaign of forced deportations of Kurdish and Turkomen families to southern Iraq has created approximately 900,000 internally displaced citizens throughout the country.

Crimes against humanity — genocide against Marsh Arabs and Shi’a Arabs in southern Iraq. Entire populations of villages have been forcibly expelled. Government forces have burned their houses and fields, demolished houses with bulldozers, and undertaken a deliberate campaign to drain and poison the marshes. Thousands of civilians have been summarily executed.

AngelPeters said:
You mean the same way we still have troops in say, oh Korea, and even, gasp, Germany and Japan?

Yep! There too. Let’s go Obama, time to stop playing world cop right?

Korea 28,050

Can’t find a count for Germany for today best I can find is a 2004 number with 70,000 in Germany but these included divisions that were being deployed to Iraq at that time.

As of December 2009[update], there are 35,688 U.S. military personnel stationed in Japan.

Here’s what gets me, we have troops in 120 Countries around the world? 120 Countries? You got to be frikin kidding me!

the real john t said:
Do you want to give credit to Obama for keeping his promise to pull a lot of troops out of Iraq by the end of August?

Hey Moron! there’s still 50,000 troops still there can’t you count? or did you miss math class all your frikin’ life?

Pulls 50,000, leaves 50,000 thats half. that ain’t a lot.

Cecelia said:
Oh, right, John T., and Rachel Maddow just came over there for the turkish coffee.

Maybe if you watched MSNBC or NBC you’d know they are the only ones with the equipment to broadcast the whole thing. Something Fox or Doallar won’t tell you. You just keep living in the dark Cecelia.

Cecelia said:
Oh, right, John T., and Rachel Maddow just came over there for the turkish coffee.

WOW! I didn’t know there was a Starbucks there? All kidding aside. Nobody knew where Maddow went and then poof like magic! There she is in Baghdad!

Nooooooooooo No tip off there right ‘Little’ Johnny ‘T’.?

puck30 said:
Hey Moron! there’s still 50,000 troops still there can’t you count?

How many troops are there still in Germany and Japan?

the real john t said:
Maybe if you watched MSNBC or NBC you’d know they are the only ones with the equipment to broadcast the whole thing. Something Fox or Doallar won’t tell you. You just keep living in the dark Cecelia.

Oh oh! look out Cecelia he said something about dollar, Look Out folks! Johnny Dollar Derangement Syndrome coming up from Little Johnny ‘T’!

puck30 said:
Here’s what gets me, we have troops in 120 Countries around the world? 120 Countries? You got to be frikin kidding me!

Did Obama put all those troops in those countries?

the real john t said:
How many troops are there still in Germany and Japan?

Why don’t you look at my post at 12:14AM

We will wait while you catch up.

Give it a rest, BFD. I wasn’t attempting to make excuses for FNC. I was trying to provide perspective. Probably the most important being that this wasn’t “man lands on the moon”, therefore it doesn’t require wall to wall coverage. I was watching baseball but from what I’ve gathered by reading comments, CNN covered it a little FNC covered it during breaks, MSNBC talked about it for 3 hours. I would imagine that ABC & CBS didn’t touch it at all, if any. If you get your kicks from watching a nutjob (olby) cover a war that he wished we would have lost, go for it. Like I said, I was watching baseball.

the real john t said:
Did Obama put all those troops in those countries?

Did I say he did?

Now read v*e*r*y s*l*o*w*l*y we have troops in 120 Countries around the world 120 Countries.

That was part of the answer I gave to Angel peters. Nice try Little Johnny ‘T’. My point to Angel Peters was pull em’ all Obama.

Unless of course you agree with the past presidents that put them there to……..how do you liberals say it?
Oppress the people of those countries. I’m sure you would agree we shouldn’t be playing World Cop right?

That would be sooooooo George Bush.

Or in your thought pattern I’m sure it’s troops that were deployed by Democrat Presidents………Good

Troops that were deployed by Republican Presidents………BAD!

Get ready little Johnny ‘T’ this has been my thought since 2004………PULL EM ALL!

lonestar77 said:
therefore it doesn’t require wall to wall coverage.

You probably think the mosque in NYC is a much bigger story that needs to be covered wall to wall like Fox is doing.

lonestar77 says:
August 19, 2010 at 12:35 am

“CNN covered it a little FNC covered it during breaks, MSNBC talked about it for 3 hours. I would imagine that ABC & CBS didn’t touch it at all.”

CNN covered it a little but nobody on the left had a problem with that, FNC covered it during the breaks, left had a problem with that.

Nuff said there

MSNBC WHEN BARRY’S NUMBERS FALL
WE GO IN DA TANK!!!!!!!!!

OR!

MSNBC

THE 2010 VERSION OF ‘CLOSED CIRCUT TV’ FROM THE WHITE HOUSE

the real john t says:
August 19, 2010 at 12:40 am (Quote)
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“You probably think the mosque in NYC is a much bigger story that needs to be covered wall to wall like Fox is doing.”

Methinks you don’t know what “wall to wall” means.

the real john t said:
You probably think the mosque in NYC is a much bigger story that needs to be covered wall to wall like Fox is doing.

From The O’Reilly Factor August 18 2010

Talking Points Memo & Top Story
The truth about the Ground Zero mosque story
We’ll tell you what’s really behind the mosque near Ground Zero controversy.

Impact Segment
Lawsuit threat against Sheriff Joe Arpaio
Should Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio be concerned about a potential lawsuit?

Personal Story Segment
Obama back on the campaign trail
The president has been out and about, campaigning for various Democratic candidates. We’ll have more.

Body Language Segment
Body language: Obama zigs and zags on mosque
What the body language of top newsmakers is saying.

Unresolved Problems Segment
Harry Reid changes his tune on anchor babies
Sen. Harry Reid has changed his tune on what he believes about the Fourteenth Amendment.

Back of Book Segment
Did you see that?
Video we don’t want you to miss.

Oh NO! only two out of five stories on ‘The Factor were about the Mosque! And little Johnny ‘T’ said FOX was doing wall to wall! Is it a FIB?

Well we don’t know, because the simpsons & family guy 7 cops are on FOX.

The O’Reilly Factor is on……..everybody……….FNC.

But who knows maybe my local FOX affiliate in Scranton is going wall to wall? I don’t it.

Well little Johnny ‘T’ I’d like to stay but I have to get up and go open the store tommorow. So the sandbox is all yours!

Play Nice

& family guy & cops

I don’t it ( just scratch that)

It’s getting late!

Let me leave you with this………

Quote: “I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the FIRST thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank. ” – Barack Obama Campaign Promise – October 27, 2007

A year and eight months later, did I get any interest from the bank?

Wow. Obama finally hits his first target date (albeit handed down from the previous admin) and the lefties go cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Are expectations really that low?

murf said:
“If you demonize Saddam Hussein as a monster, you’re falling for years of propaganda. ” It’s one thing not to agree with this war but Reflex76 is entering immediate psych evaluation and straight jacket territory . ReFLex76’s  Hero Saddam the ” NON – MONSTER ” The “Anfal” campaign in the late 1980’s against the Iraqi Kurds, including the use of poison gas on cities. In one of the worst single mass killings in recent history, Iraq dropped chemical weapons on Halabja in 1988, in which as many as 5,000 people — mostly civilians — were killed. Crimes against humanity— genocide against Iraqi Kurds in northern Iraq. This includes the destruction of over 3,000 villages. The Iraqi government’s campaign of forced deportations of Kurdish and Turkomen families to southern Iraq has created approximately 900,000 internally displaced citizens throughout the country. Crimes against humanity — genocide against Marsh Arabs and Shi’a Arabs in southern Iraq. Entire populations of villages have been forcibly expelled. Government forces have burned their houses and fields, demolished houses with bulldozers, and undertaken a deliberate campaign to drain and poison the marshes. Thousands of civilians have been summarily executed.

Saddam Hussein was indeed a “monster.” OUR monster.

“In the quotations collected below, the name of the leader who was assassinated is spelled variously as Qasim, Qassim and Kassem. But, however you spell his name, when he took power in a popularly-backed coup in 1958, he certainly got recognized in Washington. He carried out such anti-American and anti-corporatist policies as starting the process of nationalizing foreign oil companies in Iraq, withdrawing Iraq from the US-initiated right-wing Baghdad Pact (which included another military-run, US-puppet state, i.e., Pakistan) and decriminalizing the Iraqi Communist Party. Despite these actions, and more likely because of them, he was Iraq’s most popular leader. He had to go!

In 1959, there was a failed assassination attempt on Qasim. The failed assassin was none other than a young Saddam Hussein. In 1963, a CIA-organized coup did successfully assassinate Qasim and Saddam’s Ba’ath Party came to power for the first time. Saddam returned from exile in Egypt and took up the key post as head of Iraq’s secret service. The CIA then provided the new pliant, Iraqi regime with the names of thousands of communists, and other leftist activists and organizers. Thousands of these supporters of Qasim and his policies were soon dead in a rampage of mass murder carried out by the CIA’s close friends in Iraq.”

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html

Murf, it gets worse….

“The US provided less conventional military equipment than British or German companies but it did allow the export of biological agents, including anthrax; vital ingredients for chemical weapons; and cluster bombs sold by a CIA front organisation in Chile, the report says.

A 1994 congressional inquiry also found that dozens of biological agents, including various strains of anthrax, had been shipped to Iraq by US companies, under licence from the commerce department. “

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/dec/31/iraq.politics

–Cobra

Saddam Hussein was indeed a “monster.” OUR monster. ”

I guess in YOUR eyes the US is responsible for Saddam’s rise and actively helped his regime acquire weapons , then it just reaffirms that the US was rightly responsible to get rid of what we created — ” OUR ” monster Saddam Hussein .

( I reject your premise however )
.

Kird said:
Take note Democrats AND Republicans: ReFlex76 wants the US to erect a statue in honor of Saddam Hussein in Tikrit, Iraq. ReFlex76 wants the US to erect a statue of a tyrant who repressed human rights.

He may have been an SOB, but he was their SOB.

Kird said:
I’m sure the Kuwait, and Iran by happenstance, appreciate your support.

1991 and before; nice ancient history.

murf said:
“If you demonize Saddam Hussein as a monster, you’re falling for years of propaganda. ”

It’s one thing not to agree with this war but Reflex76 is entering immediate psych evaluation and straight jacket territory .

ReFLex76’s  Hero Saddam the ” NON – MONSTER ”

The “Anfal” campaign in the late 1980’s against the Iraqi Kurds, including the use of poison gas on cities. In one of the worst single mass killings in recent history, Iraq dropped chemical weapons on Halabja in 1988, in which as many as 5,000 people — mostly civilians — were killed.

Crimes against humanity— genocide against Iraqi Kurds in northern Iraq. This includes the destruction of over 3,000 villages. The Iraqi government’s campaign of forced deportations of Kurdish and Turkomen families to southern Iraq has created approximately 900,000 internally displaced citizens throughout the country.

Crimes against humanity — genocide against Marsh Arabs and Shi’a Arabs in southern Iraq. Entire populations of villages have been forcibly expelled. Government forces have burned their houses and fields, demolished houses with bulldozers, and undertaken a deliberate campaign to drain and poison the marshes. Thousands of civilians have been summarily executed.

Nice, fifteen years before our invasion; let’s just pretend the in-between years never happened.

Funny how people who bring up the “Saddam Hussein Horror” can never come up with anything after 1991.

I’m not calling the guy a saint, but he was still a human being, respected by his fellow Sunni.

Kird said:
Cecelia said:
Mediaite, how come MSNBC got tipped off early by the Pentagon?

More cable news politics; in an ideological cable news world, the favorable network will always get the scoop but I’d tack off the “MS” and tag them as the sidekick who got the gig when the main network switched to programs the real majority watches. Like I said to RRK regarding Fox: If you don’t like MSNBC; don’t watch it and don’t give it press. If “nobody* watches it; like all TV series, it’ll get canceled.

puck30 said:
Nobody knew where Maddow went and then poof like magic! There she is in Baghdad!

Nooooooooooo No tip off there right ‘Little’ Johnny ‘T’.?

This was all totally acknowledged and explained in NBC’s coverage. NBC did know in advance what to expect, Dr. Maddow even apologized to her staff on air for having to keep most of them totally in the dark until that moment, since the weekend. NBC was also the first to broadcast live from the war when it first began, as I stated earlier.

And excerpt from The New York Times
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/18/as-combat-troops-roll-out-the-media-rides-along/

“NBC officials said their requests to report live during the withdrawal were first filed many weeks ago. The requests provoked debate within the military, with some people arguing that having reporters present would place excess attention on the fact that the troops were leaving.”

And from News on News
http://www.newsonnews.net/nbc/4137-richard-engel-reports-live-with-the-final-american-combat-troops-as-they-pull-out-of-iraq-tonight.html

“Tonight, Richard Engel utilizes the Bloom Mobile, affectionately named after the late David Bloom, who died while covering the Iraq war for NBC News. The Bloom Mobile is part tank, part satellite truck, and delivers a live satellite broadcast while reporting from the field. The Bloom Mobile enabled David Bloom to deliver the very first broadcast live from the field at the beginning of the war, notably, as the troops entered Iraq via the same road Richard Engel reports from live tonight.”

Rachel Maddow and Richard Engel seperated at birth. I am serious look at the picture
at the top of this article. And Engel’s profile shot a little further down! LMAO!
So if MSNBC was intentionally given this “exclusive”, obviously the Adminstration did not
want very many people to know about it.
Also, I don’t think I would have referred to any of these bozos as ‘ALL-Stars”:

It WAS a “dog and pony show” as pointed out in an earlier post.
You think the 50,000 troops are not Combat Troops?
Just Watch !!!!!!

Cobra said:
“Thanks for the surge “W”?” That’s like thanking a burglar for locking the door behind him after ransacking your house. No, they can’t say it, BlackWidow. The neo-cons in here don’t really want these troops home. They want them invading Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen or any host of other middle eastern countries. They want whatever the jingoists on Fox News tell them. Norbit, you’re not one of those right wingers who think White people are INCAPABLE of crime? Or did you miss the memo about what was REALLY going on in the DOJ regarding race during the past 9 years? “During the first five years of the Bush administration, the Justice Department’s voting section only filed a single case alleging voting discrimination on behalf of African American voters. That’s despite the fact that the section, part of the Civil Rights Division, was created mainly to protect African American voters from discrimination. “ http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/002956.php Norbit, you can repeat right wing fairy tales that bash Blacks and Whistle Dixie all day long on RightPundit, Hot Air or Stormfront.org. You’ll get applause for it there. Here? I’ll continue to expose your ignorance on these subjects, which in the interest of comity, I hope is ONLY that. And you’re sure about that….why? Have you done personal background checks on the Shia Islamists running the country now? That for all the HYSTERIA in this country revolving around Mosques and Muslims fundamentalists, the Bush Administration deposed a SECULAR Sunni government in Iraq, and replaced it with an Islamic Fundamentalist Shia government with ties to Iran, and the same right wingers are CHEERING about it. You are aware that Saddam Hussein was Reagan’s “guy” right? http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ –Cobra

———————————————————————–
Cobra, Cobra, Cobra,

Well, I must say, I’m a bit surprised to see you setting George W.’s stewardships of Iraq and Justice as noteworthy standards – which we can safely say, Obama has lived up to in both regards!

The Iraq difference though, is in philosophy.
“W” had grandiose ideas of bringing democracy to the region, starting with Iraq. It was a noble cause, but he was an idiot, and was also hobbled by a vicious JournOlistic press.
Barry, on the other hand, is stuck with two wars – neither of which he believes in – supporting a philosophy he fundamentally disagrees with!

My point had nothing to do with the merits of these wars.
It was to EXPOSE the sheer DISHONESTY of the Political & Professional Left in claiming credit for pulling out of Iraq, when it was a SURGE policy they were adamantly against, that enabled them to do it in the first place!
HAVE THEY NO SHAME!? heh- heh

Also, your term, “bashing blacks” is indicitive of the tribal mindset Progressives have regarding people.

Liberal Democrats believe “African-Americans” are a Monolithic Group – dependent on the goodwill and largesse of their party. Playing the race card for the past 40 years fell right into that narrative; and it’s the same reason CONSERVATIVE BLACKS are ostracized or given an SEIU beatdown when they stray from the Thought Plantation!!

The problem, is that more and more people are rejecting these TRANSPARENT tactics!

Hope that clarified things, without having to call Robert Gibbs in! lol!!

Message to Iraq…..Message to Iraq…………….

The enemy is in plain site. Maddow, Olbermann etc. Arrest them. They are on the side of your enemy. They love the Taliban and Al Quida. Try them. Behead them.

“…CONSERVATIVE BLACKS are ostracized or given an SEIU beatdown when they stray from the Thought Plantation!!”

You know, maybe conservatives would do better with black voters if they would just stop talking about plantations all the time.

Just a thought.

gordonbloyershow said:
Behead them.

Really?

Ninja said:
Wow. Obama finally hits his first target date (albeit handed down from the previous admin) and the lefties go cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Are expectations really that low?

I think the jubilation is more directed to the war getting closer to ending than it is Obama meeting a specific date.

NORBIT said:
———————————————————————–Cobra, Cobra, Cobra, Well, I must say, I’m a bit surprised to see you setting George W.’s stewardships of Iraq and Justice as noteworthy standards – which we can safely say, Obama has lived up to in both regards! The Iraq difference though, is in philosophy.“W” had grandiose ideas of bringing democracy to the region, starting with Iraq. It was a noble cause, but he was an idiot, and was also hobbled by a vicious JournOlistic press.Barry, on the other hand, is stuck with two wars – neither of which he believes in – supporting a philosophy he fundamentally disagrees with! My point had nothing to do with the merits of these wars.It was to EXPOSE the sheer DISHONESTY of the Political & Professional Left in claiming credit for pulling out of Iraq, when it was a SURGE policy they were adamantly against, that enabled them to do it in the first place!HAVE THEY NO SHAME!? heh- heh Also, your term, “bashing blacks” is indicitive of the tribal mindset Progressives have regarding people. Liberal Democrats believe “African-Americans” are a Monolithic Group – dependent on the goodwill and largesse of their party. Playing the race card for the past 40 years fell right into that narrative; and it’s the same reason CONSERVATIVE BLACKS are ostracized or given an SEIU beatdown when they stray from the Thought Plantation!! The problem, is that more and more people are rejecting these TRANSPARENT tactics! Hope that clarified things, without having to call Robert Gibbs in! lol!!

People do stupid things. Invading a country that never attacked you is “stupid,” especially with the hope that you’re going to impose democracy at the point of a gun in a country dominated by sectarian religious division. You forget that the “surge” wasn’t JUST about American troops–it was ALSO about PAYING OFF the people we were fighting. The Sunni Awakening…look it up.

“The Awakening councils, also known as the Sunni Sahwa militia, “were instrumental in turning the tide on a worsening war during the 2007 US troop surge,” the Post wrote. The US funded and supported them but has since turned that role over to the Iraqi government, the Post reports:

Control of the Sahwa passed to Iraq in October 2008, and their wages – said to have been cut from $300 under US leadership to $100 monthly – have been paid, often late, by the Shia-led government.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2010/0719/Iraq-suicide-attacks-target-Sunni-Awakening-militias-dozens-killed

You talk about outsourcing jobs, Norbit? The US was Iraq’s biggest EMPLOYER, (since there weren’t any jobs around after the country was destroyed) Our tax dollars are lining the pockets of the same “dead-enders” and “militias” that were killing our troops….and you want to give Bush an “atta boy” for that? Obama inherited both that war, and the mess in Afghanistan, unless you’re trying to say that Obama was President in 2002 and 2003?

Now, your “race” stuff. I’m a proud African-American Liberal. You’re bat-shyte crazy if you think I’m going to support POLITICAL Conservatives who want to repeal the Civil Righs Act to allow companies to discriminate, or the 14th Amendment that allowed MY ancestors to be counted as citizens, or any host of anti-minority platforms and agendas.
You have a problem with the term, “conservative” anyway. Louis Farrakhan is one of the most SOCIALLY conservative figures in the nation. Are you a big fan of his, Norbit?

murf said:
Saddam Hussein was indeed a “monster.” OUR monster. ” I guess in YOUR eyes the US is responsible for Saddam’s rise and actively helped his regime acquire weapons , then it just reaffirms that the US was rightly responsible to get rid of what we created — ” OUR ” monster Saddam Hussein . ( I reject your premise however ).

It’s not “MY” premise. It’s history. If the CIA pays somebody, helps them take over a government, and dimes in all their political enemies so they can kill ‘em, where are you confused on this? And how is the US suddenly the “good guys” in all of that? Because we’re cleaning up a mess they created themselves?

Are you gonna be celebrating British Petroleum in your next post?

–Cobra

Stephen Hogan said:
I think the jubilation is more directed to the war getting closer to ending than it is Obama meeting a specific date.

Then you should really go back and read through this comments section.

This is an amazing thread. The number of leftists who are defending Saddam Hussein here boggles the imagination. Is this really typical of how Democrats think?

Then again, we saw it all during the Cold War era, where some totalitarian dictator could kill millions of innocent people and still get applause from the American left. Because, after all, if he was anti-American he had to be a good guy, no?

What happens when people who think like this run our foreign policy? Well, just look at the disaster in D.C. right now and find out. And the fact that the Left needs to celebrate political stability in Iraq as Obama’s one success tells you how desperate they are. Bush’s surge achieved all this, and Obama’s whole candidacy was built on trying to position himself as the most defeatist on Iraq of all the contenders. Now he needs to grab on to Bush’s coat tails for his sole foreign policy win. What a pathetic joke!

felixw said:
This is an amazing thread. The number of leftists who are defending Saddam Hussein here boggles the imagination. Is this really typical of how Democrats think? Then again, we saw it all during the Cold War era, where some totalitarian dictator could kill millions of innocent people and still get applause from the American left. Because, after all, if he was anti-American he had to be a good guy, no? What happens when people who think like this run our foreign policy? Well, just look at the disaster in D.C. right now and find out. And the fact that the Left needs to celebrate political stability in Iraq as Obama’s one success tells you how desperate they are. Bush’s surge achieved all this, and Obama’s whole candidacy was built on trying to position himself as the most defeatist on Iraq of all the contenders. Now he needs to grab on to Bush’s coat tails for his sole foreign policy win. What a pathetic joke!

Yes, another fully objective, fair and balanced commentary. You have no credibility to appraise the performance of Obama because you have opposed him every step of the way since his star rose. You are an opponent, not an objective appraiser of actual performance. And having been defeated in the election they turn to sabatogue the presidency, believing that acting in such a way would gather the discontent in rebellion.

valkyrie101 said:
You have no credibility to appraise the performance of Obama

For you to speak of credibility is a laugh. Go back to your rants on Reverend Moon, smears on Mormons, and apologies for Islamic terrorists.

The fact remains: it’s ridiculous for Obama to take credit for this Iraq situation, which is the result of the Bush surge. If the US had followed the advice of Obama the candidate — who constantly positioned himself as the most defeatist on Iraq — this would never have happened. Go back and look at Obama’s campaign speeches, in which he repeated, day after day, that successful stabilization of Iraq was impossible.

Then again, asking you to check the facts is a losing cause from the outset, Valkyrie, as you have demonstrated over and over again. Within 30 seconds you will be stating that Obama masterminded the surge, or something equally bogus.

felixw said:
For you to speak of credibility is a laugh. Go back to your rants on Reverend Moon, smears on Mormons, and apologies for Islamic terrorists. The fact remains: it’s ridiculous for Obama to take credit for this Iraq situation, which is the result of the Bush surge. If the US had followed the advice of Obama the candidate — who constantly positioned himself as the most defeatist on Iraq — this would never have happened. Go back and look at Obama’s campaign speeches, in which he repeated, day after day, that successful stabilization of Iraq was impossible. Then again, asking you to check the facts is a losing cause from the outset, Valkyrie, as you have demonstrated over and over again. Within 30 seconds you will be stating that Obama masterminded the surge, or something equally bogus.

You are a professional critic of Obama. He can do nothing right, ever.

felixw said:
For you to speak of credibility is a laugh. Go back to your rants on Reverend Moon, smears on Mormons, and apologies for Islamic terrorists.

To correct: As for Mormons, their theology is a matter of public record. I certainly do not oppose Mormons or disrespect them. We are free, let their views be known and let them be held accountable in the market place of ideas. As for Reverend Moon, you know I respect him. He has satire down to an eastern science. As for Islamics, or any religious people, I celebrate your religion, it is the work of free men that we have so many, but I oppose those who are violent or who choose to live outside of our law.

valkyrie101 said:
You are a professional critic of Obama. He can do nothing right, ever.

Actually Valk I judge policies by how they work in the real world. You should try it for a change, instead of spouting off tired leftwing ideology. It might open up your eyes.

valkyrie101 said:
To correct: As for Mormons, their theology is a matter of public record.

As is your bigotry for Mormons.

felixw said:
This is an amazing thread. The number of leftists who are defending Saddam Hussein here boggles the imagination. Is this really typical of how Democrats think? Then again, we saw it all during the Cold War era, where some totalitarian dictator could kill millions of innocent people and still get applause from the American left. Because, after all, if he was anti-American he had to be a good guy, no? What happens when people who think like this run our foreign policy? Well, just look at the disaster in D.C. right now and find out. And the fact that the Left needs to celebrate political stability in Iraq as Obama’s one success tells you how desperate they are. Bush’s surge achieved all this, and Obama’s whole candidacy was built on trying to position himself as the most defeatist on Iraq of all the contenders. Now he needs to grab on to Bush’s coat tails for his sole foreign policy win. What a pathetic joke!

Felix,

Saddam Hussein was on the CIA PAYROLL.
Saddam Hussein had the support of the REAGAN ADMINISTRATION.
Where are you getting this “lefties defend Saddam Hussein” stuff from, when the GOD of Modern Conservatism, Reagan gave Hussein his blessing to cluster bomb and gas people?

Turn on Fox News for five minutes…just five. Read up on the FACTS about US involvement in the middle east during the 20th Century. Which dictators we propped up. Which terrorists/jihadists we trained or allied ourselves with. Which group of citizens we turned a blind eye on while corporations cut deals with sheiks and sultans.

Or don’t. Just keep parroting these grade school team sports fan booster statements about how Republicans are always good and right and Democrats are always bad and wrong.

–Cobra

I meant “Turn OFF Fox News.” Unscrambling right wing eggs is hard work, huh?

–Cobra

I like Mormons, I just want them to be honest about their beliefs. Did you know that the Mormon teachings are to a great extent said to be based on an ancient golden scroll, known as the Book of Moronie, found by Joseph Smith in the early 1800s, and dated to a people that came to America from Jerusalem 600 years before Christ? Mormons are a peaceful people who generally do not condone war except for defense. The book points out monarchy as an ideal form of government, but only when the monarch is righteous. That is similar to Moon’s teaching. Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon Church taught that the new Jerusalem or “Zion” is located in the U.S. Smith’s first vision occurred when he was 14. That’s a full year before Moon had his vision. Mormons believe these are the last days in which a horrific judgement from God is due, with the righteous (Mormons and possibly a few select others) being saved, and then Jesus arriving to shepard the elect. That is also similar to Moon, though, he is sees himself as Jesus returned. Moon sees the tragedies of the 20th century as the judgement portion of process. So Mormons anticipate great calamities and suffering about to transpire. Apparently that is why Glenn, a Mormon, believes that America is about to collapse. Of course smart Mormons, who are aware of the last days prophesies, are advised to stock up on gold, food, supplies, guns (for defense), and last days seeds for barter in order to survive the days of tribulation. If you are a Mormon, therefore, you tend to see the future as meltdown time, as a matter of religious belief. The Moonies, however, do not see the world darkly, because they believe that Moon is Jesus and he has already returned. Should I go on, felix? Is this interesting to you?

Cobra said:
Saddam Hussein was on the CIA PAYROLL.

Cobra, your position is incoherent. Being on the CIA payroll is no guarantee of anything. Either you think Saddam Hussein should still be ruling Iraq, or you support Bush’s decision to take him out. You can’t keep changing your mind based on how you want to spin things this week. Everyone can see that the Left (and Obama) opposed Bush’s bold move and opposed the entire Iraq mission for years….But now they want to try to take credit for the eventual political stabilization and successful transition to Democracy. What a joke!

But this shows you how desperate Obama and the Left have become. They are facing an election with absolutely no achievements to run on. So they need to try to take credit for the one success story in foreign policy — which is the one Bush created and Obama attacked at every step along the way.

valkyrie101 said:
Should I go on, felix? Is this interesting to you?

I don’t need to hear any more. I already know that you are a bigot and hate people for their religious beliefs. That’s why you’ve posted more than a thousand smears on people for their religious beliefs on this web site.

Oh, except for Islam, which you defend ardently and with the same amount of enthusiasm with which you spout your vile bigotry on every other faith. I keep waiting for you to put up one of your crazy cut-and-paste jobs on the demented sayings of Ahmadinejad or Osama bin Laden. But those folks get a pass from you, probably since they hate America, just like you.

felixw said:
Cobra, your position is incoherent. Being on the CIA payroll is no guarantee of anything. Either you think Saddam Hussein should still be ruling Iraq, or you support Bush’s decision to take him out. You can’t keep changing your mind based on how you want to spin things this week. Everyone can see that the Left (and Obama) opposed Bush’s bold move and opposed the entire Iraq mission for years….But now they want to try to take credit for the eventual political stabilization and successful transition to Democracy. What a joke! But this shows you how desperate Obama and the Left have become. They are facing an election with absolutely no achievements to run on. So they need to try to take credit for the one success story in foreign policy — which is the one Bush created and Obama attacked at every step along the way.

Success is also judged by the fact that we have not had another 911.

ReFlex76 said:
Our long national nightmare ends.

No, we have two more years to endure. But at least the House and Senate will look more sensible come next year.

felixw said:
I don’t need to hear any more. I already know that you are a bigot and hate people for their religious beliefs. That’s why you’ve posted more than a thousand smears on people for their religious beliefs on this web site. Oh, except for Islam, which you defend ardently and with the same amount of enthusiasm with which you spout your vile bigotry on every other faith. I keep waiting for you to put up one of your crazy cut-and-paste jobs on the demented sayings of Ahmadinejad or Osama bin Laden. But those folks get a pass from you, probably since they hate America, just like you.

And yet smearing Obama for his “religious beliefs”, or his “political beliefs”, based on his associations over the years, is a common meme for you. And likewise, Islamic beliefs are a fancy of yours. All the time, in fact. So cool, I’m hip to that game, let us examine the teachings of Islam, the Mormons, the Moon group, or whoever. Because knowing what people believe helps to understand their actions, and helps to put what people say in perspective. If Glenn believes the nation is destined as a matter of religious prophesy to meltdown, i want to know that.

valkyrie101 said:
nd yet smearing Obama for his “religious beliefs”, or his “political beliefs”, based on his associations over the years, is a common meme for you.

If you’ve read my posts, my criticisms of Obama relate to his mismanagement of the economy, foreign policy, budgeting and other real issues. Compare my posts to yours. You will find I focus on real political issues. You rant about people’s religious beliefs. It’s a fixation of yours that borders on the psychotic.

It is profoundly ignorant of all media to pronounce propaganda AGAIN — as they did when the U.S. proclaimed an end to the Gulf War and removed its ground troops while retreating to neighboring countries and continuing its bombing of Iraq from Navy ships and dominance of Iraq’s air by Air Force and Navy jets.

That bombardment of Iraq never stopped through four American presidents!

Ahem, as a journalist with 14 years of award-winning service to the public, I apologize to America for the absolute lunacy to which you are being subjected regarding the U.S. military’s involvement in Iraq.

I am ashamed that journalists cannot determine the difference between the end of a war, the end of hostilities, the end of combat … and simply the regurgitation of government propaganda.

It is utterly disappointing to read and see and hear such profound propaganda spewed by U.S. media to, once again, convince the American people that we’re ending a war and we’re not engaged in combat … we’re just killing people. Somehow, in the minds of many journalists, there is a distinction.

Someone please offer some clarity on this issue.

felixw said:
If you’ve read my posts, my criticisms of Obama relate to his mismanagement of the economy, foreign policy, budgeting and other real issues. Compare my posts to yours. You will find I focus on real political issues. You rant about people’s religious beliefs. It’s a fixation of yours that borders on the psychotic.

So a people’s religious beliefs are not relevent, and seeking to know what people’s religious beliefs are, that is bigotry. And if someone fixates on such things they are psychotic. I am glad we cleared that up.

valkyrie101 said:
So a people’s religious beliefs are not relevent, and seeking to know what people’s religious beliefs are, that is bigotry. And if someone fixates on such things they are psychotic. I am glad we cleared that up.

Don’t dance around the matter. You don’t seek to know people’s religious beliefs. You vilify and attack people for their religious beliefs. That’s the difference between fairness and bigotry. And it’s very clear which side you stay on.

For example? In fact I use Moon, the outrageousness of his religious beliefs, and his connection to the republicans for over 30 years, with he having contributed 2 billion dollars to the conservative cause, as a counterpoint to the notion that Obama is a Marxist because he knew Bill Ayers. You want to say that Moon’s connection to the republicans does not mean the republicans endorse his views? I agree. But then you want to say, good, and by the way, Obama is a Marxist because he is acquainted with Ayers, and Obama is a racist because he was a member of Wright’s church, etc. And everyone is obsessing about Islamic beliefs, using those to justify discrimination against moderate Islamics who have no history of violence. And I say, what about Glenn’s Mormon beliefs? He uses those as an excuse to identify Obama as one of the undead that destroys America before the great coming of Jesus, and the ressurection of the Mormons to world leadership.

valkyrie101 said:
But then you want to say, good, and by the way, Obama is a Marxist because he is acquainted with Ayers

I said that Obama was a Marxist because he associated with Bill Ayers? Show me where I said it, genius. (I’ll save you the trouble: I never said it.) And go ahead, keep on changing the subject, but it doesn’t change the facts of your constant and relentless attacks on people for their religious beliefs. Well, except if their religion produces fanatics who fly planes into buildings. Those folks get a free pass from you.

felixw said:
I said that Obama was a Marxist because he associated with Bill Ayers? Show me where I said it, genius. (I’ll save you the trouble: I never said it.) And go ahead, keep on changing the subject, but it doesn’t change the facts of your constant and relentless attacks on people for their religious beliefs. Well, except if their religion produces fanatics who fly planes into buildings. Those folks get a free pass from you.

A free pass? In what way? I abhore violence, and especially people who use religion to justify it. So there you go. You complain that I have not represented your position with regard to Ayers accurately (though, apparently, not your position on Obama and Wright), then you go off and say, oh, you endorse terrorists. LOL. And as for religion, I fully endorse both religious liberty, and liberty from religion. Thus, I support the free practice of religion by moderate Islamics, or any religion within the law, but resist any religion that seeks to limit other people’s liberty on the basis of their religious beliefs. And, as I mentioned, when religious people are out there arguing for one thing or another, because of their religious beliefs, I want to know what those religious beliefs are, to put what the religious people are saying in perspective. Thus, because Glenn Beck believes the world is on the precipice of chaos and destruction because the prophesies of his religion dictate that, I want to know that, so that I am not tricked into excepting his religious beliefs under false and misleading pretenses.

Look at your comments, Valk. You have posted around a thousand comments on Mediaite attacking, ridiculing or smearing people because of their religion. On the other hand, you have probably posted almost as many comments in defense of Islam. If you “support the free practice of religion by moderate Islamics” why not the free practice of religion by moderate Mormons or Christians or members of the Unification Church? You’re a hypocrite, smearing people who disagree with your political beliefs (Beck, Breitbart, etc.) on the most dubious religious grounds, but running to the defense of the religion whose fanatics fly planes into buildings. This is all amply documented by your own comments.

felixw said:
Look at your comments, Valk. You have posted around a thousand comments on Mediaite attacking, ridiculing or smearing people because of their religion. On the other hand, you have probably posted almost as many comments in defense of Islam. If you “support the free practice of religion by moderate Islamics” why not the free practice of religion by moderate Mormons or Christians or members of the Unification Church? You’re a hypocrite, smearing people who disagree with your political beliefs (Beck, Breitbart, etc.) on the most dubious religious grounds, but running to the defense of the religion whose fanatics fly planes into buildings. This is all amply documented by your own comments.

As for Breitbart, if he serves a higher Master, isn’t that something you would want to know? Reverend Moon wants to take over the world, is Breitbart helping him? Lindsey Graham was at the Moon coronation, Moon wants to change the Constitution, so does Lindsey. Newt took the Moon money, he wants to change the Constitution. Is that a pattern? Glenn’s religious beliefs include the notion that America is a corrupt nation that is destined for God’s judgment and wrath, with the Mormons emerging as God’s elect. Decerning minds want to know, is Glenn evangelizing his religion, with all his end of the world doom and gloom, with his gold, his guns, his gated community, and his supply of last days seeds? Why all that? The end is near, so be prepared? Glenn is dark about the immediate future, he has a bunker prepared, literally, so if that is true, if these are the end days, and America is corrupt and must suffer horendous judgment, with a collapse of the government, the monetary system, and civilization as we know it, then of course there is a communist, or a nazi, or a racist lurking somewhere, for sure. Rather, from a standpoint of belief that includes a positive outlook, that presumes the Grace of God, and the continuing love of God, through all troubled times, with our country and its Constitution intact, that sees the future positively, without fear, knowing that we always overcome, Beck is pessimist, a fear monger. Yet if we look for peace, it will be there. Glenn is a cheerleader for doom because the doom must come before the great reward, the supremecy of the elect, with Glenn, Smith, Young, together with their many wives, standing with Jesus, like shepards over the world.

valkyrie101 said:
As for Breitbart, if he serves a higher Master, isn’t that something you would want to know? Reverend Moon wants to take over the world, is Breitbart helping him? Lindsey Graham was at the Moon coronation, Moon wants to change the Constitution, so does Lindsey. Newt took the Moon money, he wants to change the Constitution. Is that a pattern? Glenn’s religious beliefs include the notion that America is a corrupt nation that is destined for God’s judgment and wrath, with the Mormons emerging as God’s elect. Decerning minds want to know, is Glenn evangelizing his religion, with all his end of the world doom and gloom, with his gold, his guns, his gated community, and his supply of last days seeds? Why all that? The end is near, so be prepared? Glenn is dark about the immediate future, he has a bunker prepared, literally, so if that is true, if these are the end days, and America is corrupt and must suffer horendous judgment, with a collapse of the government, the monetary system, and civilization as we know it, then of course there is a communist, or a nazi, or a racist lurking somewhere, for sure. Rather, from a standpoint of belief that includes a positive outlook, that presumes the Grace of God, and the continuing love of God, through all troubled times, with our country and its Constitution intact, that sees the future positively, without fear, knowing that we always overcome, Beck is pessimist, a fear monger. Yet if we look for peace, it will be there. Glenn is a cheerleader for doom because the doom must come before the great reward, the supremecy of the elect, with Glenn, Smith, Young, together with their many wives, standing with Jesus, like shepards over the world.

Yawn…more rants on Reverend Moon and Mormons. You should really stop dissing people for their religion. it’s called bigotry. I’m not really bothered by your support of Islam, but you should really apply that tolerance to other believers. Not that you worry much about being consistent. So go ahead and dish out this hate speech. Just don’t expect me to be interested.

felixw said:
Cobra, your position is incoherent. Being on the CIA payroll is no guarantee of anything. Either you think Saddam Hussein should still be ruling Iraq, or you support Bush’s decision to take him out. You can’t keep changing your mind based on how you want to spin things this week. Everyone can see that the Left (and Oba

No, right winger. I’m not an absolutist like you, but let’s take a look at your choice here:

Given the FACTS:

4733 Dead American Troops as of 8/15/2010
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/Fatalities.aspx

31,882 Wounded American Troops
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/USCasualtiesByState.aspx

” —Nearly 5 million refugees: “Counting both internal and external refugees, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) estimates that nearly 5 million of Iraq’s population of 24 million have been uprooted during the conflict,” the N.Y. Review of Books reported on May 13, 2010. This is the equivalent of 60 million Americans by percentage of population. Five-hundred thousand are homeless squatters within Iraq, whose “settlements all lack basic services, including water, sanitation and electricity and are built in precarious places—under bridges, alongside railroad tracks and amongst garbage dumps” according to Refugees International in March 2010. The emigration of 2-3 million Iraqis to refugee camps in Syria and other Mideast countries decimated Iraq’s educated middle class, with some daughters forced to become prostitutes and sons menial laborers just to keep their families alive.

—Tens of thousands of innocents imprisoned, many tortured: In an article headlined “In Iraq, A Prison Full of Innocent Men,” the Washington Post reported that “100,000 prisoners have passed through the American-run detention system in Iraq,” that Iraqi Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi says that “most of the people they detain are innocent,” but that prisoners are not permitted to prove their innocence. Conditions have been even worse in the secret torture chambers run for five years by General Stanley McChrystal, from which all outside observers including the Red Cross have been excluded. Salon’s Glenn Greenwald recently reported that “72% of Guantanamo detainees who finally were able to obtain just minimal due process—after years of being in a cage without charges—have been found by federal judges to be wrongfully detained.” Countless innocent Iraqis have been regularly tortured.”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/5_million_iraqis_killed_maimed_tortured_displaced_20100623/

And the COST?

“The end result of all this wishful thinking? As we approach the fifth anniversary of the invasion, Iraq is not only the second longest war in U.S. history (after Vietnam), it is also the second most costly — surpassed only by World War II….

…All told, the bill for the Iraq war is likely to top $3 trillion. And that’s a conservative estimate. “

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html

Yeah, Felix…add all those FACTS together and put it up against–

“leaving Saddam Hussein” (the person the CIA installed) “ruling Iraq”, and it’s a no-brainer as far as I’m concerned. Damn straight we should’ve left him there, because you see the IRREFUTABLE, UNDENIABLE cost of taking him OUT in both blood and treasure.

But I’m game for a fight, right wingers. I dare…no–I DOUBLE DOG DARE any of you right winged, “Government-spends-too-much-money-deficits-too-high-what-about-the-debt-on-our-children” tea partyers to step up to the plate and DEFEND $3 TRILLION dollars spent on a war with a country that never attacked us.

C’mon, right wingers. Bring it on.

–Cobra

the real john t said:
DUHHHH!!! Did you ever think it was because Richard Engle was over there covering the troops? Who did Fox have over there?

Fox has nobody over there. They just keep their chickenhawks over here promoting more war. “You and him go fight, I’ll hold your coats.”

murf said:
Anti-War Brigade has invaded Iraq. Shock & Awwwwwwww

MichelleF said:
Wow, we are REALLY lowering the bar on what is considered a superstar, eh frannie! BTW, this is how Olberdork celebrated the occassion: Olbermann Uses Words of U.S. Soldier to Bolster Anti-War Agenda, Ignores Soldier’s Support for Iraq Mission On Monday’s Countdown show, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann used a clip of U.S. Army Staff Sergeant Tim Osborn, stationed in Iraq, commenting on how he had previously felt that the war in Iraq “wasn’t ever going to stop,” to fit into the Countdown host’s suggestion that American troops had remained in Iraq too long. But what Olbermann did not show his viewers is that Staff Sergeant Osborn had also expressed strong support for the war effort in a clip which was shown earlier that evening on the NBC Nightly News during a piece which correspondent Richard Engel filed from Iraq: RICHARD ENGEL: He tells me his greatest accomplishment: giving Iraqis a chance. STAFF SERGEANT TIM OSBORN, U.S. ARMY: If what was going on here was going on in America, I wouldn’t want my kids to grow up in that world. I would want somebody else to come in and help. And if it took them doing what we did here, then I would welcome that. But Olbermann was apparently only interested in using a clip of Staff Sergeant Osborn that would fit into the MSNBC host’s characteristic anti-war shtick: Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/08/18/olbermann-uses-words-u-s-soldier-bolster-anti-war-agenda-ignores-sold#ixzz0×0G7SZbk

If you were for this unnecessary political war so much why didn’t you go over to contribute to this noble cause. Actually there is an excellent website you need to visit. It is http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks “You and him go fight. I’ll hold your coats.”

MichelleF said:
Wow, we are REALLY lowering the bar on what is considered a superstar, eh frannie! BTW, this is how Olberdork celebrated the occassion: Olbermann Uses Words of U.S. Soldier to Bolster Anti-War Agenda, Ignores Soldier’s Support for Iraq Mission On Monday’s Countdown show, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann used a clip of U.S. Army Staff Sergeant Tim Osborn, stationed in Iraq, commenting on how he had previously felt that the war in Iraq “wasn’t ever going to stop,” to fit into the Countdown host’s suggestion that American troops had remained in Iraq too long. But what Olbermann did not show his viewers is that Staff Sergeant Osborn had also expressed strong support for the war effort in a clip which was shown earlier that evening on the NBC Nightly News during a piece which correspondent Richard Engel filed from Iraq: RICHARD ENGEL: He tells me his greatest accomplishment: giving Iraqis a chance. STAFF SERGEANT TIM OSBORN, U.S. ARMY: If what was going on here was going on in America, I wouldn’t want my kids to grow up in that world. I would want somebody else to come in and help. And if it took them doing what we did here, then I would welcome that. But Olbermann was apparently only interested in using a clip of Staff Sergeant Osborn that would fit into the MSNBC host’s characteristic anti-war shtick: Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/08/18/olbermann-uses-words-u-s-soldier-bolster-anti-war-agenda-ignores-sold#ixzz0×0G7SZbk

You also. If you were for this unjustified political war so much why didn’t you go over to help. Excellent site for you and the other rightwing like minded warmongers. http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks “You and him go fight. I’ll hold your coats.” Matter of fact I think we should reinstate the military draft, at least talk about it. If those two words gain any traction all you will see from the rightwing is ass and elbows.

felixw said:
Cobra, your position is incoherent. Being on the CIA payroll is no guarantee of anything. Either you think Saddam Hussein should still be ruling Iraq, or you support Bush’s decision to take him out. You can’t keep changing your mind based on how you want to spin things this week. Everyone can see that the Left (and Obama) opposed Bush’s bold move and opposed the entire Iraq mission for years….But now they want to try to take credit for the eventual political stabilization and successful transition to Democracy. What a joke! But this shows you how desperate Obama and the Left have become. They are facing an election with absolutely no achievements to run on. So they need to try to take credit for the one success story in foreign policy — which is the one Bush created and Obama attacked at every step along the way.

If you thougt this war was fought for a noble cause and not for politics and oil why didn’t you go over there and help out. Excellent site for you and the rest of the rightwing warmongers: http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks. The chickenhawk motto…” You and him go fight. I’ll hold your coats.”

felixw said:
Yawn…more rants on Reverend Moon and Mormons. You should really stop dissing people for their religion. it’s called bigotry. I’m not really bothered by your support of Islam, but you should really apply that tolerance to other believers. Not that you worry much about being consistent. So go ahead and dish out this hate speech. Just don’t expect me to be interested.

Well that’s dissapointing. You keep cueing me to elaborate on Moon and his schenanigans, and now you say you are not interested? :-) As for Glenn, I fully support his freedom to practice his religion, I just want to know when someone is trying to convert me to his religion.

Glenn & Val,

These right wingers won’t debate on FACTS. The truth is they CAN’T justify the Iraq War beyond loud-talk flag waving and Karl Rove talking points. Lay out the HUMAN COST and the FINANCIAL COST of this fiasco and they devolve back to grade school “with us or against us” BS.

–Cobra