Here Here! Nothing nastier than liberals who have been fairly beaten in a fight. Hateful buggers.

Palin: If Tea Party Were Real Domestic Terrorists, President Obama Would Want to Pal Around With Us

..once again, she nailed it !

What is almost hysterical about leftists calling Tea Partiers terrorists?

They cannot call REAL terrorists, terrorists because of the PC indoctrinated crud.

Heck, Obama does not even call it terrorism, he calls it man made catastrophes.

Another PERFECT EXAMPLE of the leftist inclination to use New Speak from the Ministry of Truth, ala 1984.

The tea party is taking America back from the real terrorists- Immoral perverts, pornographers, satanists, homosexual, whores, minority thieves. This country is drowning in sickness. Look in any city and you see nothing but rats and trash. http://swellco2000.com/2010/07/lady-gaga-new-world-order-illuminati/

The Left is running out time.  See you 25 years (again)

Good story Matt, it goes against the traditional “sh*t on the Republicans” mantra commonly employed here at Mediaite so be prepared for a lot of backlash from your loyal leftist posters here in 5,4,3,2,1,,,,

those 95 Democrats voted against raising the deibt ceileing, because there were no revenue, those tea party members never wanted to give one inch on compromise, that’s what makes them hostage takers!

Whats the big deal? They are terrorists, they’re like the Taliban party of America. A small group of backwoods idiots who have hijacked the political scene because of political correctness, it’s sort of like affirmative action.

Tea Partiers are mostly racist, redneck bigots that haven’t left their home town, go to church with tons of other drones like them, are mostly afraid of contemporary culture (everything is far-left in the world), let them go rot, who cares about the Tea Partiers, they have no idea about the constitution or the economy. Can’t wait until someone shuts them up.

There is a big difference between to refusing to vote for the debt ceiling when you know it will pass and purposely doing it so it cant pass.
A lot of those reps who voted against were allowed the protest vote by their parties so it would do the least damage in their districts.  This is a common practice and allowed Obama to vote against it in 2006 knowing full well it would pass.

The problem is some people don’t know the difference between a protest position and a hostage taking.

Debt as far as the eye can see, no jobs, an administration completely in over their head in practically all facets of leadership on anything and ‘The Left still wants to cling to somehow the Tea Party created this mess. No wonder Democratic administrations only last one term.

As for the discussion, leftists will NEVER sit down and discuss the matters at hand. Heck, look at Howard Dean’s video on how to debate. The first thing he suggests is to completely change the subject. He then went about using Saul Alinsky and other fallacious attack debate techniques.

Leftist can NEVER debate, they always fall back to fallacies and attacks. They cannot win the argument because history and the CURRENT economy is fully descriptive of the leftist/statist failure.

They have no clothes, they have no clothes, they have NO CLOTHES! Sorry, did I say? You have NO CLOTHES!

Rattner’s a Wall Street crook . A real economic terrorist .

On November 18, Rattner agreed to pay $6.2 million and accept a two-year ban from associating with broker-dealers or investment advisers to resolve a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission probe of kickbacks without admitting or denying any wrongdoing. [15]
Also on November 18, Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo filed suit against Steven Rattner,[16] alleging he paid undisclosed kickbacks in order to obtain $150 million in investments in Quadrangle from the New York State Common Retirement Fund (“CRF”) [17]
On November 22, Rattner defended himself on the Charlie Rose Show. Rattner accused Cuomo of actions “close to extortion,” and said Cuomo “has basically threatened me all along the way that if I don’t do what he wants me to do, he will prosecute me to the ends of the earth.” He said at 24:50: “Nor do I believe I broke the law or even did anything wrong, I have explained to you about the hiring of Hank Morris was completely legal. I have explained to you that I never told the GoodTimes to make that DVD.” He said at 26:40: “There is not a scintilla of evidence that this DVD had anything what so ever to do with why Quadrangle got money from the New York Common Fund.” [18]

On December 30, Rattner agreed to pay $10 million to settle with the New York Attorney General and will be barred from appearing in any capacity before a public pension fund within the state for five years. The agreement allows Mr. Rattner to maintain his innocence as the settlement was only to “avoid the costs and burdens of litigation.” He did not admit any wrongdoing.[19] The non-financial terms of the settlement were the most favorable of those received by any of dozens of targets of the investigation.[20]

. But you do have one group of people who are saying no tax increases, never, no how ”

And what about the Dems who say never, no way ever any change to entitlements? Are they terrorists also?

“You do know that 95 House Democrats voted against raising the debt ceiling as compared to only 66 House Republicans. You do know that 26 Democratic Senators voted against raising the debt ceiling?”

Yes, those are terrorists!

All in all ABC’s This Week had a pretty good show today. I would like to think Rattner learned something from George Will today. We’ll see how he does in the future.

I can call real terrorists, terrorists, what are you talking about?

 ”Tea Partiers are mostly racist, redneck bigots”

Even the ones who aren’t racist themselves were elected because they appeal to racists, which is almost as bad.

I, for one, salute the homosexuals. 

Well maybe you should help out the White House administration, the MSM and others, they think it is called man made catastrophes.

By the way, can you link me to a Large Media outlet calling Hassan a terrorist? Thanks.

LOL

More lib hate , racism and bigotry! God, I love the Democratic Party!

Perfect example right here to what I said-
As for the discussion, leftists will NEVER sit down and discuss the
matters at hand. Heck, look at Howard Dean’s video on how to debate. The
first thing he suggests is to completely change the subject. He then
went about using Saul Alinsky and other fallacious attack debate
techniques.

Leftist can NEVER debate, they always fall back to
fallacies and attacks. They cannot win the argument because history and
the CURRENT economy is fully descriptive of the leftist/statist failure.

They have no clothes, they have no clothes, they have NO CLOTHES! Sorry, did I say? You have NO CLOTHES!

The ones that aren’t racist go along with the racism of the other people like it doesn’t matter. It’s a really interesting quality, can’t say it’s an admirable trait. 

Another example.

And the problem that we have here is the Constitution of the United
States of America which actually does require people to come together
from different perspectives whether it’s divided government or not. We
have divided branches of government under any circumstance. – Cokie Roberts

Yeah, Cokehead was really on a roll today!  We know how you libs hate that pesky Constitution.

There you go injecting facts into the discussion and BFD and Snowspot are just calling everyone terrorists.

I guess they did not read the article.

They are terrorists, they’re like the Taliban party of America. A small group ”

About 51? And they broke Barry and the Dem controlled Senate– ooh, they are so powerful!

hahahaha

Fight over semantics all you want but the teabaggers can’t hide from their vile and hateful agenda.

Yeah, but don’t bend over!

So,by Ratner’s words, Obama is a terrorist since he voted against raising the debt ceiling when he was a Senator…or were the standards slightly differen then?

hahahaha

Nice article Matt.

Yeah, low taxes, small government and fiscal responsibility!

Sure sounds like terrorists to me!

LMAO

Yeah, low taxes, small government and fiscal responsibility!

Sure sounds like terrorists to me!

LMAO

LOL

Spin, it, spin!

Those 95 were terrorists and racist for being against Obama!

Face it, the hate comes from the left.  Deny it all you want, but we all know it’s true. 

Face it, the hate comes from the left.  Deny it all you want, but we all know it’s true. 

Hey, Krauthammer   was wrong- according to the libs 51 members of one House can control and run the government!

Oh, so Obama’s vote was the deciding factor if the debt ceiling was raised and he then made unreasonable partisan demands in order to support raising it?

I. DID. NOT. KNOW. THAT.

You gotta love how Amanpour quickly changes the subject. She is once again performing her duties as a Democrat activist. 

You got that right! Lucky Obama- if he were a Republican, those libs venerating him so blindly here would be calling him “boy” or “uncle tom.” Yeah, if the black man doesn’t comport himself according to white liberal orthodoxy, suddenly the guy becomes a “boy.”

But, by your logic, those 95 Democrats must also be “hostage takers” because they refused to vote for the bill without any revenue increases in it. Those dems were unwilling to compromise, just like the tea party members, thus the dems must be hostage takers.

Ha- the only questions she asked the S&P guy was wasn’t it true you blew it on the mortgage backed securities and how are you coping with all the criticism that is being leveled at S&P?

Oh, so the 51 votes of the TP were the deciding factor if the debt ceiling wasn’t raised? What about the 95 Dem votes against it?

So many charges of racism it makes my head spin.

You mean, everyone YOU deem a terrorist has to be a terrorist to everyone else or you’re enraged, right?

Really interesting argument there :P

Neither can the democrats hide from their out of control spending.

Yes, that sure sounds like the logic you are using! BTW, I don’t think you have met your quota of name calling yet.

Speaking of terrorists-wasn’t Bill Ayers a domestic terrorist?  Wasn’t he part of the Weather Underground that tried to blow up the Pentagon?

thats ur dads job

God you are the best natural soporific- you should sell your comments to the insomniacs of the world.

I must not have since I didn’t call anyone a name in these comments.

No, thats the kind of  sodomitic   behavior that libs not only support but engage in!

Open wide and say “Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh” libby!

Cokie Roberts: “The problem is the Constitution,” enough said! Wow!

Yep! She was more inept than ever.

Try again, hypocrite!

A small group of backwoods idiots who have hijacked the political scene because of political correctness, it’s sort of like affirmative action.Tea Partiers are mostly racist, redneck bigots that haven’t left their home town, go to church with tons of other drones like them, are mostly afraid of contemporary culture…”

“

Funny, I thought the tea party stood for fiscal responsibility, not social “big government.”

China Economists See Big Risks From US Downgrade
Published: Saturday, 6 Aug 2011 | 2:27 AM ET

Chinese economists said the U.S. credit rating downgrade by Standard & Poor’s poses great risk to financial markets and expect it to prompt China, the world’s biggest holder of U.S. Treasuries, to accelerate the diversification of its holdings.

Those 95 Democrats voted against the best interests of the country; they didn’t compromise either.  Those Democrats tried to f this country just as much as the tea party.

Oh good, the race card: that worked really well during the mid-terms.

more dems voted against (almost twice as many) than republicans. Facts are such pesky things.

Obama and the rest of the Socialist party are determined to keep increasing the size of our massively bloated government, and on and on, year after year, without end insight, until everyone with a job works exclusively to pay taxes to the government. Plan B is for everyone to move to Greece!
And they call the tea party Terrorists!!!!

You need to get out of your rent controlled apartment more often. Maybe go down to the corner Bodega to cash your welfare check, eh?

Everyone knew it was going to pass when they went to a vote so it could be argued that all nays were protest votes.  Bottom line: any Democrat or Republican who voted nay put politics before the country’s best interest.

When “journalists” abandon honest, respectful dialogue on policy and rely instead on vile name-calling and character attacks, they inevitably reach for more and more strident insults.  It’s inevitable.  They have left journalism behind, and have become rabble-rousers.  And rabble-rousing always ends with over-the-top accusations — terrorists, fascists, Nazis, dictators, racists, hostage-takers and all the other attacks they launch at people who just want a government that lives within its means. 

But why a “news network” would put this garbage on the air is a grand mystery.  Or why the Left doesn’t see the harm it does to its own credibility by this now tired routine is equally puzzling.  

It’s the theme for the election cycle, if you are responsible about finances you are a racist, plain and simple.

George Will knows the difference between trying to effect legislation through public statements and actually placing a vote. It’s to be expected that he’d repeat the “Democrats did it too” meme because those who aren’t as familiar with the process will lap it up and he’s not really a Tea Party man, but it’s politically advantageous to frame the vote in this manner because it could reduce public pressure on the Republican side.

The reality is that if the default was ever a real possibility, it was entirely due to the “Tea Party” ranks and the sympathetic members who, once they saw the “Tea Party” was winning, pledged to vote against anything containing new revenues even after Norquist gave them an out.

There was never really a question about the Republican and Democratic establishment because they would have done whatever was necessary. The liberal Dems were going to hem and haw about ‘fairness”, but if their vote was needed, they would have fallen in line. The real and only question was about the new element on the right because at least in public, many give the impression they’re unwilling to compromise and even if their vote were to be the margin between passage and defeat, ideology could have come out on top.

Personally, I predicted a comfortable margin, but nothing near unanimity because of protest votes from each side. As the rhetoric and brinkmanship increased on the day of the House vote, I actually pulled a margin of around twenty-five out of thin air because I felt it would be enough to reassure the markets and there would be more protest votes, but perhaps when push came to shove, more members felt threatened by ads saying they voted for default than a potential challenge from further out their party’s wing.

The Windbag from Chicago is heading out on a campaign bus trip , at taxpayer expense , to battleground states where he has fallen behind . Then he’s headed for 2 weeks at Martha’s Vineyard , costing us one million dollars . This fool has no sense at all .

Ratner is as utterly useless and as big a liar as Obama himself. There seems to be an awefull lot of that going around in liberal circles these dayz.

Seems to me ot was all Americans beaten up by the T-Partee Terrorists in the form of the downgrade.

As do I. I just don’t believe that all terrorists are Muslims, not do I believe that all Muslims are terrorists.

And, I though Senator Vitter was a T-Partee’er. Imagine my surprise.

Libs like Larry Craig? Tollbooth Perry?

Thank you.

Amazing, President Obama had a plan that gave the ratings agencies exactly what they wanted -a BALANCED program of reductions and enhancement, 2 : 1. But the Republicans knew better. In fact, they knew so much better we got downgraded by a bill that reduces nothing and enhances nothing.

Indeed.

Flawless reasoning, very well presented.

And that the T-Partee Terrorist du Jour learned something from Ms. Roberts’ dressing down.

fine. You got out a snide smear. I’m sure that makes you feel much better. Now, what specifically did Ms. Roberts say to which you find fault. Be very clear. Try to answer without another gratuitous smear. If that is possible for you.

Rich, or should I say Job Creator from the most hate-filed human being in the Wasatch.

Nor, did I.

I think these Repugnantcans and T-Partee Terrorists are protesting a bit too much since Firdy afternoon. Guilt? Worry about the over-reach? Concern at their very low favorabilities? All three? I think that’s it.

According to our system of jurisprudence, no he wasn’t.

RRK will not be happy till he can dictate how you peons live you lives…..he knows best

In other words, Democrats are never to be held responsible for their votes.  Just as when Obama himself voted not to raise the debt ceiling under Bush, he has an excuse – ‘oh, well, you see, that was just politics.’

The reality is that if the default was ever a real possibility, it
was entirely due to the “Tea Party” ranks and the sympathetic members
who, once they saw the “Tea Party” was winning, pledged to vote against
anything containing new revenues even after Norquist gave them an out.

Yet again, default was never in the cards.  A government shutdown, perhaps, but that at least would’ve imparted to credit rating agencies a seriousness on the part of Republicans to effect drastic change in how we approach the debt problem.  The doomsday effect at the end of everyone’s scenario is what happened regardless – a downgrade.

I see you have your silly John Kerry talking points.

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When you are losing the debate you resort to name calling. Rattner is the typical, elite, insider, well educated but unable to make an effective rebuttal to uncontrolled spending, corruption and regulation.

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Will’s defense reads much better than it comes across in the clip.  One could easily miss its implication were one to have simply watched the show.  No one could have missed the import and effect of Rattner’s previous rhetoric, nor could they take his words here as a retraction.  He squirmed a wee bit, but never admitted his words were unfair, over the top or absolutely undeserving of an intellectual argument.  Yet here he is, genially giving his analysis, confronted only mildly in soft tones, given all due respect.

Sh*theels like Rattner, with the level of vileness they’re introducing in our discourse in following this “new tone” style of talking-points attack from the left (link provided to an external source, for so mundane was the rhetoric to Mediaite’s tastes that, previous to this one, there wasn’t a story here in reference to Rattner’s remarks), need to be verbally taken out to the woodshed – George Will is not that man, nor can you find anyone at ABC to fill that role.

What we can find at ABC is Cokie Robert – “The problem that we have here is the Constitution of the United States of America which actually does require people to come together from different perspectives whether it’s divided government or not.”  Unless this quote is wildly lacking in context, “it” is a problem indeed.  “It” being that there are analysts who view the Constitution of the United States as a “problem,” that is.

Obama is the worst president ever. Downgrades, Illegal war, seizing entire industries, adds trillions in new entitlements, destroys entire industries with thousands of new regulations, smuggles guns to
drug lords, promised to reduce the deficit by 50% LOL, presented a budget that added trillions and got 0 votes from his own progressives.

Everything according to Obama’s master plan, destroy America. We can’t afford the rest of his 1 term.

“Under my plan, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket”-barack hussein obama

Members from both parties should be able to explain their votes and it’s up to their constituents whether their explanation are acceptable. 

But, contrary to the way Will and Matt frame it, the “terrorist” or “hostage-taking” phrasing wasn’t about the actual vote, instead it was about the gyrations which led up to it because that’s where the inflammatory rhetoric and the threats were aired..

As for “default was never in the cards”, it may be true that there would be enough income to pay the bondholders, but there would still be a real question about who got paid because there’s no regulatory dictate. Plus, if there had been a prolonged standoff, there may not be anyone to collect, count or distribute any incoming revenue and missing the deadline would’ve been a public relations disaster. Even if there were more available monies after the ceiling failed to raise, it’d be much harder to explain and the markets, plus much of the economic engine runs on perception and guts.

Welfare, lol. 

You are so RIGHT!!!

That’s right, by Rattner’s logic then, it’s actually the Democratic
party that has more “terrorists” amongst their ranks since more of them
voted against raising the debt ceiling at the last crucial moment.

No, Matt… the 95 Democrats who voted against the raising of the debt ceiling were not the ones walking out on negotiations and holding up the country’s government to a possible downgrade. That was the tea party and Republicans… hence, why they were labeled by Rattner as “economic terrorists”. By the way, Rattner didn’t say anybody who voted against the debt ceiling were “economic terrorists”… he said the ones who weren’t willing to negotiate or compromise on any of the cuts were.

Get the facts straight next time instead of mischaracterizing it as something it isn’t. And stop trying to seem balanced by attacking both sides just to appease the conservatives and tea partiers who constantly cry in their comments on here. You’ll never make them happy because they will always call you a part of the “liberal media”, per their usual paranoid talking points. You’re not helping anyone with that approach.

Thank you, Snowspot! I could not agree more. You succinctly crystallized the Tea Party terrorist movement. Facts are facts and the truth hurts. We *have* to get these right-wing psychos out of office. They are like lab animals fiddling around with a nuclear bomb. They don’t have a CLUE what they’re doing, and eventually they are going to set the thing off and destroy us all. It will take YEARS to undo the damage they have caused the economy as it is. We can’t allow them to grab any more power. They HAVE to be shut down in 2012.

“Why a “news network” would put this garbage on the air is a grand mystery.”

No it’s not a grand mystery. A) Fox News is NOT a news network. It is the propaganda arm of the Tea Bag/Republican/right-wing cabal. B) Indeed, what Fox News puts on the air *is* total garbage.

Let me ask you a question about the whole “wouldn’t negotiate” part.  Personally, I don’t see things that way.  It seems like they came into the negotiations with a few things they wouldn’t budge on.  In other words, that was their base level.  Didn’t the Democrats come in similarly?  Didn’t they say, “Here are the 1,2,3 things we want, and we MUST have those.”  Isn’t that what negotiations are?

For example, if you go to buy a car, and the salesman says, “Here’s this car… it has none of the features you want, the wrong color, and is more expensive than you said you’re willing to spend,” how much “compromise” are you willing to give?  If you walk away, are YOU the one being unreasonable?  I don’t think so.  There are some parts you’d compromise on… perhaps the color isn’t the important… but missing features means no deal.  At the same time, the salesman needs to make a certain amount of money, and isn’t willing to “compromise” beyond that point.  Both people have their “walls.”

It just happens that in this case, the TeaParty’s/Republican’s “walls” were well stated, and they were willing to walk if the “compromise” tried to push beyond that.  I’m pretty sure if they started negotiating and saying, “Not only do we want that, but we also want to give increased tax breaks to corporations,” we would have found the Democrat’s “walls.”  If that was their request, and the Democrats walked away because they wouldn’t accept that at all, would you still be complaining?
____________________

“And stop trying to seem balanced by attacking both sides just to appease
the conservatives and tea partiers who constantly cry in their comments
on here.”

Yes, it’s much better to just be overtly biased against the right.  Stop trying to be “a journalist” or “fair.”  It’s not necessary.  Just report things the way we tell you, and that way at least we won’t complain… too much.

/sarcasm

That’s FALSE logic, dayoh. The House Tea Baggers had the gun to the heads of the American people. They dragged the whole debate into a strung out crisis. If the Baggers had let Boehner do some proper compromising, it *never* would have been such an ugly mess. The Democrats who voted against the final bill *knew* that it was going to pass. What they did was symbolic. What the Republicans did was terrorist hostage taking, and you damn well know it. You know who else knows it (and the polls reflect it)? The voters. THE MOST UNPOPULAR CONGRESS IN HISTORY! 82% negative opinion. OVER 70% place the blame for the crisis and problems in Washington on Congressional Republicans! The Tea Baggers bought their tickets out of Washington with this spectacle and the downgrade. The Democrats are going to punch those tickets on 11/06/2012. It won’t be pretty. We’ll have over a billion dollars and endless campaign ads running round the clock ALL OVER the country reminding people of the horror the Republicans put the American people through, and the suffering they have caused. To this day, 13 abortion bills out of the House and NOT A SINGLE JOBS BILL! Do you REALLY think that you are going to get away with this? And Mitt Romney or Rick Perry is going to be your savior? The best the right will be able to do in 2012 is play defense. Because they have sh*t to run on. The Dems will have a billion dollars and President Obama. My money (literally) is on the President and the Democrats.

Maybe I’m missing something, but the clip is from ABC about something said on MSNBC. Of course, I’d call Rattner a pundit, not a journalist, but that still wouldn’t have anything to do with Fox.

Thank you for pointing out Michelle’s “snide smear.”  It’s important that we posters do that.

Which is why you see my name after a lot of your posts.  Although, it is funny that someone (you) who spends 99% making “snide smears” would have the nerve to complain.  But nothing you do surprises anyone anymore.

Hmm… there’s one of those “snide smears” you were complaining about.

Hypocrite.

Yup.  And OJ was innocent.

Thankfully, Ayers CONFESSED afterwards, so you know… you’re point is kinda moot.

Well thought out, and well researched as always.

Let me ask you a question about the whole “wouldn’t negotiate” part. 
Personally, I don’t see things that way.  It seems like they came into
the negotiations with a few things they wouldn’t budge on.  In other
words, that was their base level.  Didn’t the Democrats come in
similarly?  Didn’t they say, “Here are the 1,2,3 things we want, and we
MUST have those.”  Isn’t that what negotiations are?

Nope.  The Democrats said EVERYTHING needed to be on the table and the Republicans said they would never allow revenues to be.   Then they even had the audacity to say their compromise was being willing to raise the debt ceiling.  Republicans are just unfortunate that too many Americans could this for exactly what it was, and that S&P mentioned it specifically in their report.

If Tea Partiers are terrorists, then Democrats and Obama are pedophiles.  What else would you call people who are screwing our grandchildren?

And good for George Will.  Steve Rattner clearly isn’t accustomed to being spoken to in that way, and it’s about time someone did.

The left-wing activist group MoveOn.org picked up the new liberal
slogan bashing conservatives for Standard & Poor’s U.S. credit
rating downgrade: “Tea Party downgrade.” President Obama’s chief
campaign strategist David Axelrod and Massachusetts Democratic Sen. John
Kerry both used the phrase on Sunday talk shows.In a Sunday
afternoon email to supporters, MoveOn.org accused tea partiers of being
responsible for the first-ever credit downgrade in U.S. history. “This
‘tea party downgrade’ is a shameful blow to our nation’s honor and risks
throwing us right back into recession,” Moveon.org wrote. “Worst of
all? It was completely avoidable. But when given the choice between
extremist posturing and responsible leadership, tea party Republicans
chose wrong.”
MoveOn.org added that “now, amazingly, they’re trying to pin the blame on Democrats.”

Not very good spinning, JMR, pretty much a total waste of your time. 

Not very good spinning, JMR, pretty much a total waste of your time. 

That’s what the Democrats said in public, but behind closed doors they were as intransigent as the Tea Party.  For example, do you think Obamacare was on the table?

First off, hasn’t your claim that “S&P mentioned it specifically in their report” already been debunked like a 1000 times?  We’ve all heard you bleat this before, along with so many of the other Liberals who refuse to take responsibility for anything anymore.

Secondly, as Neal says, do you honestly believe that the Democrats had “everything” on the table?  As I ask also in my post, if the Republicans said they wanted more cuts for corporations, would you have supported the Democrats walking out?  Or do you believe that Pelosi and Reid would have considered that?

Furthermore, how can you come close to claiming they would have considered anything, when Reid and the Senate Democrats said they would vote down plans BEFORE they actually made it to the Senate?  Is that part of the “everything” on the table?

Nope.  But everyone who disagrees with you politically, are.

Got it.

First off, hasn’t your claim that “S&P mentioned it specifically in
their report” already been debunked like a 1000 times?  We’ve all heard
you bleat this before, along with so many of the other Liberals who
refuse to take responsibility for anything anymore.

I’ve seen no evidence of a debunking.  And I think I’ve pointed out quite clearly why it can’t be debunked.

Secondly, as Neal says, do you honestly believe that the Democrats had
“everything” on the table?  As I ask also in my post, if the Republicans
said they wanted more cuts for corporations, would you have supported
the Democrats walking out?  Or do you believe that Pelosi and Reid would
have considered that?

I believe in sticking to the facts not suppositions.  The facts are the Democrats stated over and over again they were willing to place everything on the table and thought everything should be on the table.  It also a fact that the Republicans said over and over again that they refused even to discuss revenues and it was absolutely off the table.  If Rebpublicans get the blame they have no one to blame but themselves.

Furthermore, how can you come close to claiming they would have
considered anything, when Reid and the Senate Democrats said they would
vote down plans BEFORE they actually made it to the Senate?  Is that
part of the “everything” on the table.

There are to ways to lower our debt.  Cut spending and raise revenue.  Democrats were willing to consider both and put both on the table.  The Republicans would only consider one of the two options.  There no compromise in ONE.

OK, you punked me. I actually went back to look at what you made me believe I missed. Of course there was no “dressing down” by Cokie Roberts, but rather a sort of defense against the terrorist label.
In looking back, I was reminded of her asinine remarks implying that S&P wanted more government and that the Constitution was somehow partly to blame for the downgrade. She also agreed with George Will that S&P was “not particularly qualified to be making those judgements.
The fact that you made me go back and check was not a waste of time, so I’m not upset about being punked.

So, Standard and Poor’s is terrorist now, Kook? Racists too, I’ll bet.

They wanted to see $4 trillion in cuts, Kook. So did the Tea Party.

It’s the debt, stupid.

I really like this argument. I hope they use it frequently. They’re about to make 1980 look like a squeaker.

Have you seen this?
Bible-Based Ethics Program For Nuclear Missile Officers Quashed by Air Force After Exposé
http://www.alternet.org/investigations/151929/bible-based_ethics_program_for_nuclear_missile_officers_quashed_by_air_force_after_expos%C3%A9?page=entire

“The fact that we’re here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is
a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means ‘The buck stops here.’
Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the
backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and
a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend
to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

“Guilty as hell, free as a bird” – Bill Ayers

Reality bites, huh Kook?

Hey, how’s that Chevy Volt working out, Mr. Failed Car Czar?

http://tinyurl.com/3ueygf6

“Tea Party downgrade.”

It has a nice ring to it, like “Mittless Protection Program”.

To this day, 13 abortion bills out of the House and NOT A SINGLE JOBS BILL!

Wrong.

More democrat sloganeering, this one ranks right up there with “hope and change.”  Just what this country needs, bumper sticker mentality keeping their dupes in check.

Pablo, you’re right. It may now be MORE than 13 abortion bills out of the House and NOT A SINGLE JOBS BILL!

Pablo, you’re right. It may now be MORE than 13 abortion bills out of the House and NOT A SINGLE JOBS BILL!

It’s not spinning, Jerry. If only it were! The word is out and the American people have spoken. The Tea Party terrorists took the economy hostage and blew its brains out. Now the nation is going to suffer. But then again, so will the Republican/Baggers in November 2012. And quite possibly MUCH sooner than that, as in tomorrow in the Wisconsin recall elections. The Tea Bags are gonna get dunked!

MSNBC is not as popular as Fox. MSNBC attracts thinkers. Fox News is like crack cocaine: Very popular but VERY bad for you. Further, MSNBC has NOTHING to apologize for compared to the disgusting manipulations, distortions, lies, and hatred served up on Fox News every day. House Tea Baggers ARE economic terrorists and Mr. Rattner was correct in pointing it out. JUST like the Baggers had a loaded Glock 9 pointed at the head of the American people during the debt ceiling crisis that they created. The Baggers got what they wanted AND STILL ended up pulling the trigger. What horribly gutless cowards. November 2012 CAN’T get here soon enough so the American people can sweep the Baggers back to their trailer parks.

Yes, I know. What Steve Rattner said on MSNBC was true. The Tea Baggers are economic terrorists. I was just responding to a statement that was clearly about the right-wing media sh*t hole that is Fox News.

Why must virtually every word out of your mouth be a lie?

Nope. Still not guilty.

OJ was not guilty, either.

Deal with it.

The S&P myth was debunked in the Cavuto thread, regressive feral.  Revenues are already being raised(dollars taken out of the economy) due to Obamacare which was not on the table neither was Cut, Cap and Balance.  So now, come 2013 if the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire, giving the middle and lower classes, not just the rich, a tax increase and with the burden of the cost of Obamacare this weak economy will take another hit.  Adding tax increases to the debt ceiling deal would be insane with everything else coming down the pike.

Nope. I respect our system of jurisprudence despite some flaws.

Just another simple minded talking point from a group of simple minded people.

Did you have a bowl of stupid for breakfast?

The democrats did not want Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security on the table.

What a large load of dog squeeze.

Wrong again, Bozo. 

Why is everyone blaming the tea party? They represent only a portion of the house republicans who voted mostly as a block. If anything, it is the moderate republicans who are to blame because they went along with it.

Ayers charges were dropped. He never went to trial. Therefore no verdict. His own words convict him.

The libs see their world falling apart so they have gone crazy. They now say anything to try to save Obama. Lies are the only thing they have left.

To be sure. The hostages taken are much more the members of the GOP than Americans as a whole.

The Austin American Statesman had a wonderful article about how Tollbooth Perry had been drawing welfare in the form of farm subsidies over many years much as the Bachmanns have. Funny thing is, I don’t think Tollbooth has set foot on a farm or ranch in years.

More double-standards from the right.

They get to call us “Communists” “Baby killers” “Anti-American” “terrorist sympathizers” etc etc…..and the media barely bats an eye.

But if a liberal (accurately) compares the debt ceiling debate to a terrorist hostage-taking, that’s out of bounds?

 Would you like me to walk you through the steps to get your avatar, the one in which you are wearing the BOP orange jumpsuit, to appear? For you Blower, I’d be pleased to help.

TIme to call it like it is. 

The Tea Party held our country hostage for ransom and was threatening to “shoot” the hostage for weeks.

Only a fool or a hard partisan doesn’t see the validity of this comparison.

Now the Right is taking on the role of “PC police”.

Get over it.   Someone called you a mean name.  Boo hoo.

Sorry, but the Democrats need to follow the Republican playbook here….and REFUSE to apologize.

It’s an accurate comparison and Democrats should not back down.   Republicans call us shit like this all the time.

Revenues they said were ok. Higher taxes were not. Revenues would be increased if there were more people working. Remember, our leader has been focusing like a laser on that, in between rounds of golf.

Stop with the silly term, revenues. They are taxes.

Did you read the part of the above article that pointed out the # of Dems that voted AGAINST raising the debt ceiling. Are you going now prepared to call THEM terrorists?

If the “Bush Tax Cuts” put us in this mess, would the Clinton tax rates have prevented it?

We had a financial meltdown irrespective of tax policy.  It would have happened if rates were higher or lower, more regressive or progressive.

Just another illustration of the sophistry and/or stupidity of the Amerikan left.

Seemed to conveniently forget the 95 dem hostage takers that voted against it.

Talking to yourself….and answering, too.  Hmmm

Such violent imagery.  The hypocrisy of the left once again illuminated on Mediaite.  You people make it so easy. 
It disgusts me to use those terms against those you politically disagree. Have you no memory? Remember what real terrorists and hostage takers do. 9/11, 1979.
Most Americans can recognize the hyperbole emanting from the extreme left from whence it comes….where a pill doesn’t reach.

This has to make the top 10 of the most inane extremist tripe ever posted on Mediaite.  Congrats!

The simple fact of routinely raising the debt ceiling 17 times in a row, and now suddenly, the republican controlled house said we will not raise it unless you agree to our demands.

NO. The Tea Party itself illuminated their hostage taking and terrorism tactics. What they did was horrific, and they damaged the nation and its future. They DID NOT have to behave that way.

NO. The Tea Party itself illuminated their hostage taking and terrorism tactics. What they did was horrific, and they damaged the nation and its future. They DID NOT have to behave that way.

Lovely response, blackflon! Apparently you do your best work on the toilet where you deposit your brains on a regular basis J

jmr, you and a great many others are erring by thinking of “Tea Party” as a thing, a group of people, or even an organization.

Instead the tea party movement is an attitude toward government and a set of opinions regarding the size and role of government. Some people lean toward a very libertarian view of what government ought to do, while others just want something less than the government we have now. 

It is a mistake to think of the tea party movement as a discrete set of people who all believe the same thing, and who oppose everyone else who believe exactly the opposite. It is better, I think, to think of a spectrum or continuum of ideas about the size of government, with the Obama administration at one end and only Paul Krugman and a handful of congressmen even further to the left.  

Most everyone else wants at least some shrinking the size of government; and I think the disagreements can be bridged but probably not while Barack Obama is in the White House.

In order for Congress to create private sector jobs, or at least create an economic environment in which jobs can be created, the government sector must shrink and there will inevitably be fewer public sector jobs.

So the House has been working to create jobs, but without much cooperation from the Senate or the administration.

You realize that “a lie” means “an untruth,” not “someone who disagrees with me.”

There’s a difference.

I wonder, will you apply this elsewhere?  I wonder if I can find something you’ve talked about that might make you seem like a hypocrite?!

Oooooh… I remember one.  Hey, remember how often you talk about Bill O’Reilly and his “incident?”  Remember how he wasn’t “guilty” of that either?

And there’s that Royal double standard we’ve come to expect.

Well… no it wasn’t.

It’s just that you’re a one-note player, and really only have the capability of saying the same thing over and over and over again, no matter how foolish or wrong you are.

Uh-huh.  Everyone who disagrees with you is evil, everyone who thinks the same are “intellectual” and “deep thinkers.”  Riiight.  It’s not about your ego, it just happens to be that way.  Sure.

And what exactly makes you think that “MSNBC attracts thinkers?”  Based on your posts, and the words you think are appropriate, and the non-debates you offer… I’m not sure offering yourself as one of the “thinkers” is a good idea.  It doesn’t take much thought to say the same thing over and over again, and blame all of societies ills on FOX News and Republicans.

But then again, you’re just repeating what MSNBC tells you to think.  FNC presents relevant guests talking about current events.  MSNBC presents the same guests, who talk about FNC.  I’m not surprised that a “thinker” with your “experience” only knows that one note.

-Well, I’m not surprised you “didn’t see” the debunking.  It’s not easy to see things when your head is in the sand, and you NEED that talking point.  But like I’ve told others before… Your ignorance is not a defense.

-So you’re not going to look at history, reality, or common sense… and only going to believe what they said publicly.  Well, if you’re going to be that naive, simply so you can claim you’re actually being dishonest, just stupid… that’s your call.  But nobody’s buying it.

-Like I said, the Democrats knew what they’d do and what they wouldn’t do.  They voted down legislation before it was finished being written.  You didn’t explain how that is “keeping everything on the table.”  It’s not surprising that you can’t, since it blasts a hole in your naivete.

Once again, PK, you’re doing a really poor job of defending yourself here.  There “Like” button is still a better option for you.

Actually, according to the S & P, spending was the main issue.

I think the Kitty Kat went to clean her little box.

There is something we need to remember about our friend, @B_F_D:disqus .  After the Tucson incident, BFD and I discussed how appropriate it was to blame (without evidence) the TeaParty and Republicans.

BFD’s theory was relatively simple, and summed up thusly: “I know they probably didn’t have anything to do with it, and realize it’s mostly a lie to accuse them of anything… but if it hurts the Republicans and the TeaParty, I’m all for it.  I’m okay with the lie, because the ends justify the means.”

Now, I’m inclined to believe that he and quite a few others are at the same place in this instance.  They realize it’s unfair and untrue to hand the blame to the TeaParty and Republicans, but it’s all they’ve got in terms of a defense strategy… point at the other guy.

Additionally, we must remember that some of these folks (not all) are just terrible terrible people, with no moral compass or sense of ethics.  You cannot argue or debate these folks.  That’s not their intent.  Their intent is only to push “their team,” and give the finger to everyone else.  Policy, principle, and platform are just “things,” they’re not really as important or as relevant as “the win.”

Is this the best you can do?

@progressive_kitty:disqus

Here, Kitty Kitty Kitty.  Shouldn’t you be yelling at Royal to “stay on topic?”

Adding to what you’ve said, and repeating something I’ve said before…

BFD and a great many others are erring by thinking of “Tea Party” as a thing, a group of people, or even an organization.

Instead the tea party movement is an attitude toward government and a set of opinions regarding the size and role of government. Some people lean toward a very libertarian view of what government ought to do, while others just want something less than the government we have now. 

It is a mistake to think of the tea party movement as a discrete set of people who all believe the same thing, and who oppose everyone else who believe exactly the opposite. It is better, I think, to think of a spectrum or continuum of ideas about the size of government, with the Obama administration at one end and only Paul Krugman and a handful of congressmen even further to the left.  

Most everyone else wants at least some shrinking the size of government; and I think the disagreements can be bridged but probably not while Barack Obama is in the White House.

Once again the hyperbole in your response falls on deaf ears in most Americans.  I can honestly say that even though I disagree with most lib policies they should not be labeled as “terrorists” and “hostage takers”.  Absolutely absurd, hateful and most likely ignorant. By ignorant, I mean, make your argument with facts not name calling.  Those terms now have gone the way of “racist” thanks to libs.

And many don’t know the difference between principle and capitulation.  Hint…hint…

“17 votes in a row” occured during a healthier economy,  half of the dems in the House voted no because they believe, BELIEVE the evil rich need to have their pockets picked more instead of reigning in spending.  Of the 240 House Republicans, a much smaller percentage voted no, 66 out of 240 of the Republicans that voted on the bill wanted more spending cuts.  174 Republicans and 95 dems compromised in raising the debt ceiling and presto!!! our credit rating is downgraded.

As a poster has already mentioned, the S&P report mentions spending cuts 28 times and on page 4 of the report is the now infamous liberal talking point sentence about a revenue increase.  28 to one odds, heh, that’s part of why we are where we are, I’ll take the 66 Republican’s spending cuts over the 95 dem’s habit of gambling away the future of my great-grandchildren on this one.

If both parties don’t go back and start seriously looking at at least 4 trillion in cuts, sooner rather than later,  our AA+ rating will be taking another hit by December, so much for compromise.

I wish someone would hit Ratface Rattner with a bag full of shit right in his face.

And they should hide a few bricks in the shit, just so his face can swell up as big as his head.

Only in your mind, GoNavy, only in your mind… The Dems are going to have 1 BILLION dollars to hold the right-wing Tea Bagging, hostage taking, economic terrorists accountable. Goodness knows the Republicans *hate* being held accountable. They are REALLY going to hate 11/06/2012.

Only in your mind, GoNavy, only in your mind… The Dems are going to have 1 BILLION dollars to hold the right-wing Tea Bagging, hostage taking, economic terrorists accountable. Goodness knows the Republicans *hate* being held accountable. They are REALLY going to hate 11/06/2012.

Hey, ImNotBlue, I may be a Progressive Democrat, but I know how to get down in the mud like Republicans, but you know what? Unlike Republicans, I say it like it is. I am *more* than glad to expose the ultra-hardcore-right-wingers as the economy obliterating, anti-women’s rights, anti-worker party of the elitist rich corporations that they are. The Tea Baggers and their ilk have SOLD THEIR SOULS for money and power. They have damaged the lives of MILLIONS of hardworking middle class Americans. They have darkened our nation’s future. Fortunately, all that has to be done is to press “play” on a video player because today’s right-wingers are so outrageous and so extreme, they literally produce THEIR OWN attack ads ready for the Democrats to air just by opening their big mouths!

And yes, MSNBC’s audience is a helluva lot more intelligent and problem solving oriented than the Fox News watching slack-jawed rubes who sit like zombies in front of the TV, grunting and hollering whenever Megyn Kelly or Sean Hannity says something utterly stupid or completely offensive.

Well at least we are agreed that Fox News is a right-wing media sh*t hole.

Yes, JMR… just keep telling yourself how much better you are (even though you recognize you’re the same) as the people you complain about.

So far, I’ve seen you talk about two things… how terrible the TeaParty is, and how terrible FOX News is.  You have done both with nothing more than name calling and insults.  Not really the way an “intellectual” would go about it, is it?

You’re just an ego with a keyboard.  Just another one in a million of the exact same people, who believe so strongly that “their right,” they’ll never bother to consider anything other than their own opinion, or do much more research than what is needed to attack their political opponents.

There really is no point in arguing policy with you (or journalism, for that matter) because insults and attacks will be the response no matter what I say.  Why, after what you’ve just written, you think that makes you different or somehow “more acceptable” when clearly, you’re just what you complain about, baffles me.

Where did we agree that?

Yet again, you see what you want to see… the only thing you’re capable of seeing.  The same two things, over and over and over again.  “Republicans Bad.  Fox News Bad.”

I’m pretty sure you’d see that written in the clouds, if you could stop looking down your nose for a few minutes.

wow I love that I rent so much space in your head.  And to think it costs me nothing at all. 

wow I love that I rent so much space in your head.  And to think it costs me nothing at all. 

According to S&P they specifically singled out the Republican party for their refusal to even consider tax revenue.  Read the report.

Only in your mind, GoNavy, only in your mind… The Dems are going to have 1 BILLION dollars to hold the right-wing Tea Bagging, hostage taking, economic terrorists accountable. Goodness knows the Republicans *hate* being held accountable. They are REALLY going to hate 11/06/2012

right-wing, Tea Bagging, hostage taking, economic terrorists”………”the Republicans “hate”

What about your hate?  You 20 percenters really think “1 BILLION dollars” is going to be enough to buy, how many votes?  Keep in mind, as many voters do, that the manchild’s Stimulus only cost us $278,000 per job, I say, the man isn’t a good shopper and his foolish “hope and change” is not going to sell this time.  But, keep up the hate, out of one side of your mouth you preach it, out of the other side you practice it.  Unfortunately for you, the voters are on to that sorry game you extremist lefties play.

They certainly offered it, unlike the GOTP who boasted in front of every microphone they could find that they were standing firm on behalf of the wealthy and corporations that there be no new revenue.  It was completely off the table … and forever.  Unfortunately the American people by 80% did not agree with them.  That is why in spite of everything Obama’s approval rating ALWAYS remains high than the GOTP by double digits.  Now they should pay the price of their blackmail and hostage taking.

Keep telling yourself this.

Oh my goodness, regressive feral, where is your credible source that the GOTP(which doesn’t exist) “boasted in front of every available microphone” that they “were standing firm on behalf of the wealthy and corporations”  Post your source.  Oh, BTW, about Obama’s ratings remaining “high” as opposed to the GOTP(that does not exist) remember, all politics is local.  While those being polled might be miffed at “Congress” or the Republicans that are leading in the House, they usually do like the Representative they send off to DC.  2010 being one exception as was the Gingrich revolution, so, don’t be counting on those polls, the economy stinks and has Obama’s and the democrats name all over it, his numbers in all categories are dropping, but, he still has that die hard 20 percent of those that know so much that isn’t true and a few others I suspect will stay home November 2011, heh.

They also “specifically” singled out the debt and, that was actually mentioned more frequently throughout the report that….revenue.  Did you even read it, regressive feral?

So is this your way of saying, “Yeah, you got me.  I’m not going to call out Royal, because he’s one of ‘my’ guys.  In fact, I’m going to ‘Like’ his comment.  I don’t care if you call me a hypocrite.  I don’t care if this proves that I only use the ‘stay on topic’ when I’d rather not talk about something difficult or negative for ‘my guys.’ I’ll do whatever I want.”

Because that’s how it reads.

Is this what you’re talking about:

We have changed our assumption on this because the majority
of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise
revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.

Please note the second half of the sentence.  The Republicans “resist,” and Congress REINFORCED.  The blame (for the not being able to raise revenue) goes to BOTH Republicans and Democrats.

Get it?  Gotta read the whole thing, PK.

“By the way, Rattner didn’t say anybody who voted against the debt ceiling were ‘economic terrorists’… he said the ones who weren’t willing to negotiate or compromise on any of the cuts were.”

Oh, you mean OBAMA, right?

Like Obama, the dems wanted a clean raise of the debt ceiling weeks ago which they would have supported 100%, but the republicans in the house refused, and used the threat of world-wide economic disaster (by not raising the debt limit) as leverage to get some of their crazy stuff passed, over the objection of quite a few democrats.

Just because it’s been done 17 times before, does that mean it’s OK to keep doing it? If you maxed out your credit cards and kept getting a higher limit each time, how long do you think you’d be able to keep that up?

I’m sure with her it’s a really BIG box.

Seems to me it was Obama who trying to scare everyone into letting him have his way by talking about how we might default on our debt and social security checks just might not go out on time, all of which was BS and fortunately didn’t work for him.

I’m sorry Rio Grande, just like the river, your Republican Party is shallow and dirty. If you didn’t want to be called hostage taking economic terrorists, you right-wingers shouldn’t have taken the American people hostage and put a gun to their collective head threatening to blow their economy all over the wall! That’s ECONOMIC TERRORISM! Tea Baggers don’t care about ANYTHING but gaining money and power, and people in this country are suffering because of their incompetence and their intransigence. It’s time to kick your ilk OUT THE DOOR!

The House’s concern has been political agendas first. NOTHING ELSE second. Abortion, protect the rich, anti-worker, anti-women’s health, it goes on and on. ANYTHING BUT jobs bills. That’s what the Baggers have given us.

All these teabaggers have crazy eyes , my way or forget it! Sad country we r becoming, the beverly hillbillies r running the asylum…

Well, clearly you are wrong in every respect, and know nothing of how jobs are created. 

You keep bringing up abortion, and while I do not care to get into a major discussion, I will just point out that federal taxpayers’ money is not supposed to pay for abortions. That is the law, and yet the administration keeps looking for loopholes so that the government can pay for abortions. 

So Congress should not have to spend any time at all discussing abortion or writing bills to keep the government from doing what it is supposedly already prohibited from doing.  But until the administration starts following the law, Congress will have to keep pressing the administration to follow the law.

I thought Wally Cox was dead.  What’s he doing on TV?

You can quarrel with the use of the word “terrorist.” (I’ve heard tea partiers use equally coarse language in describing Democrats.) But it’s impossible to quarrel with the substance of Rattner’s comments. The tea party DID take us to the brink of insolvency because of their refusal to compromise. You TPers can spin it any way you want, but that’s the disturbing reality and we’ve got to deal with it and stop pretending that this is just a bunch of harmless “patriots” out to save the country. These are radical ideologues with no sense of history and no appreciation for the consequences of their actions.

How can that be?  It was just last year that you left-wing simpletons said the Tea Partiers were an astroturf group of old, white, racists.  How could they possibly have so much power to outsmart the Senate, House, President, and S&P??

Didn’t Obama promise to “take us to the brink of insolvency” when he said he’d veto any debt ceiling increase that didn’t take us beyond his next election campaign??  Or doesn’t that count in the small, lonely mind of a liberal?

Didn’t Obama promise to “take us to the brink of insolvency” when he said he’d veto any debt ceiling increase that didn’t take us beyond his next election campaign??  Or doesn’t that count in the small, lonely mind of a liberal?

The content of the deal speaks for itself: all spending cuts, no revenue increases. The voters know who truly refused to compromise.

Yeah, the “tea party” members of Congress were able to fool  that Harvard educated idiot Obama and his flock of leftist in the Senate who haven’t passed a bill in over 800 days. Why didn’t that fraud Reid use Obama’s bill that the CBO couldn’t even score, hey it failed 97-0 and you got the guts to say he tried to compromise, woman up dude.

Yeah, the “tea party” members of Congress were able to fool  that Harvard educated idiot Obama and his flock of leftist in the Senate who haven’t passed a bill in over 800 days. Why didn’t that fraud Reid use Obama’s bill that the CBO couldn’t even score, hey it failed 97-0 and you got the guts to say he tried to compromise, woman up dude.

Goodie for you, able to keep those Soros talking points fresh in your pointy little head.

Goodie for you, able to keep those Soros talking points fresh in your pointy little head.

You should have stopped right after the part of your  post where your wrote, ” I don’t think.” The rest gives you away.

You are aware that Barack Hussein Obama signed that piece of legislation into law don’t you, of course he didn’t have one of his famous Rose Garden shows where he fills the stage with leftist shills like you. He just hid under his desk surrounded by lobster shells emptied by Michelle that evening.

Spin it anyway you want to Mr. Top, that Harvard educated Obie and the Senate were duped by a small minority of Republicans and it hasn’t felt good since.

S & P warned the idiot Obama back in April that large deficits were dragging down the economy and Timmy (no tax paying) Geitner  said, “No Way” was there going to be a down grade.

Lap it up and spit it out shill, you’ve been trained like Pavlov’s dog, you drool when somebody mentions Baggers.

No educated and knowledgeable person can blame the Tea Party for our country’s downgrade when it is our out of control spending that did it.  The Tea Party was born to stop out of control spending not to encourage it. End of discussion.

The reason I salivate when somebody mentions Tea Baggers is because I am about to vomit.

Very simply, federal tax dollars DO NOT go to abortion. More jobs bills (at *least* one). Less abortion bills.