I still don’t get how legalizing marriages doesn’t fall in the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, and giving power of allowing marriages to federal government.

now that I think about it. why does government at any level even have the power to define marriage?

Hooray? What a liberal communist socialist fascist progressive website this is!!!

Just joking (obviously). Hooray is correct, except it’s sad that something this obvious is this hard that it actually does call for celebration.

Also i am a supporter of gay marriage and believe that government can’t define marriage in any way but a consensual commitment between two people. Allowing the government to define marriage is what has happened for so long, where it has been between man and woman.

Congrats gay people!

It’s New York, so no surprise!

and on pride weekend, wow!

juan said:
It’s New York, so no surprise!

uh, a bit of a surprise, actually.

two republicans crossed the aisle, and it only passed by, what, 4 votes?

FOX News sucks

Win!!!

What’s wrong with Fox? They HAD to cover the Anthony case instead of equal rights?

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I think there are many religious restrictions in the bill, maybe churches don’t have to abide by this law!

Good Job NY!!

carlinist said:
I still don’t get how legalizing marriages doesn’t fall in the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, and giving power of allowing marriages to federal government.

now that I think about it. why does government at any level even have the power to define marriage?

I would say a minimum of laws are needed in order to avoid pedophilia and forced marriages…that’s about it.

Yay New York.This is long overdue. In time it will pass everywhere. We have a long history in this country of struggling toward equality and civil rights and eventually, justice wins out.
There are no rational arguments opposing SSM and the equality it brings. Those who stand against it for emotional irrational reasons will eventually have to concede.

Will Republicans honor this application of state’s rights or decide that they will need to campaign in support of a constitutional amendment in the 2012 presidential election?

“All progress is precarious, and the solution of one problem brings us face to face with another problem. “- MLK

I’d much happier if they outlawed marriage (for all).

darladoon said:
uh, a bit of a surprise, actually.

two republicans crossed the aisle, and it only passed by, what, 4 votes?

Four actually: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/25/nyregion/gay-marriage-approved-by-new-york-senate.html?_r=1&smid=fb-nytimes&WT.mc_id=NY-SM-E-FB-SM-LIN-GMA-062411-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

carlinist said:
Also i am a supporter of gay marriage and believe that government can’t define marriage in any way but a consensual commitment between two people. Allowing the government to define marriage is what has happened for so long, where it has been between man and woman.

I don’t even know why it should only be between just 2 people

juan said:
I think there are many religious restrictions in the bill, maybe churches don’t have to abide by this law!

I’m a gay libertarian and I would hope the STATE is not going to FORCE churches to “do gay marriages”. Is that what you (some) actually want? That’s not the rightious or moral way to win the argument – by force.

Gay Marriage is not the

Good for you NY state. Is your marriage that weak that two guy people being married would damage it? Come on SON!

juan said:
I think there are many religious restrictions in the bill, maybe churches don’t have to abide by this law!

Good thing you don’t have to get married in a church then.

Emma said:
What’s wrong with Fox? They HAD to cover the Anthony case instead of equal rights?

No one cares what New Yorkers do.

Casey Anthony trial is more exciting than gay marriage.

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
Good thing you don’t have to get married in a church then.

Exactly. There has ALWAYS been a separation of church and state in the US. At least that’s what the Founders laid down in the beginning . . .

It’s interesting what voting your conscience can achieve. I’ve always found it funny that Iowa was more progressive than New York. But I think all in all it’s a step in the right direction for equal rights. I don’t think the federal government needs to get involved, the states should be able to handle this one, and if they don’t, then come on up to New York to get married and help our economy out. A friend of mine who’s an ordained minister is jumping for joy right now.

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atreyue said:
I don’t even know why it should only be between just 2 people

Don’t worry. Now that New York passed gay marriage, they should just as well pass marriage among anyone or anything. Love is love. :)

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
It’s interesting what voting your conscience can achieve. I’ve always found it funny that Iowa was more progressive than New York. But I think all in all it’s a step in the right direction for equal rights. I don’t think the federal government needs to get involved, the states should be able to handle this one, and if they don’t, then come on up to New York to get married and help our economy out. A friend of mine who’s an ordained minister is jumping for joy right now.

Sorry, but the people flooding out of NY due to its economy is increasing. You can’t offer real estate that expensive plus that high of a tax burden and expect people to stay.

Emma said:
What’s wrong with Fox? They HAD to cover the Anthony case instead of equal rights?

Oh please, what’s on MSNBC right now: Lock Up, or whatever its called? Cable News is to politics what professional wrestling is to sports.

Good job NY! Any legislation that gives more rights to the people is a good thing.
I just wish that gay people didn’t have to rely on the government in the first place to have their natural born rights recognised. The gay rights battle should serve as a reminder of how stupid we are for allowing the government (state/federal) to have this much power.

btimsah said:
I’m a gay libertarian and I would hope the STATE is not going to FORCE churches to “do gay marriages”. Is that what you (some) actually want? That’s not the rightious or moral way to win the argument – by force. Gay Marriage is not the

Don’t be soft. This is about equal protection under the law and nothing more. Churches are free to continue to discriminate as they see fit. This is the other side of their tax exemption

Congrats NY! This is wonderful news.

CosmosDan said:
Yay New York.This is long overdue. In time it will pass everywhere. We have a long history in this country of struggling toward equality and civil rights and eventually, justice wins out.
There are no rational arguments opposing SSM and the equality it brings. Those who stand against it for emotional irrational reasons will eventually have to concede.

It’s hardly irrational to understand that the best, most stable environment in which to raise children – so as to further a well adjusted society – is via an intact, two-parent family unit, or to suppose that any social “progress” sold under the false rubric of equality (when there’s already equality – before such a law passes nobody is allowed to marry their same sex, afterwards, everybody is allowed to. Equality under the law exists in both instances) which works against this general understanding is, by definition, harmful.

WCinWI said:
Don’t worry. Now that New York passed gay marriage, they should just as well pass marriage among anyone or anything. Love is love. :)

And that effects your life how? The Obama Care debate I get; the resistance to letting all citizens get a chance to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in this country, I don’t.

WCinWI said:
Don’t worry. Now that New York passed gay marriage, they should just as well pass marriage among anyone or anything. Love is love. :)

I wish there were a way that I could block your idiotic fallacious arguments from ever appearing on my screen. Well, maybe there is. :-)

W.I.S.C said:
And that effects your life how? The Obama Care debate I get; the resistance to letting all citizens get a chance to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in this country, I don’t.

Haven’t you read the parts of the Bible that appeal to your ideological leanings?

This should save NY State. WTG Albany!

Publius219 said:
Haven’t you read the parts of the Bible that appeal to your ideological leanings?

If people want to live their lives by a literal interpretation of a couple Bible passages, that is their right. It is not their right to enforce their beliefs on everybody else.

I expect to see within the next two years the controversy over gay marriage reach the US Supreme Court in regards to the Full Faith and Credit Clause ( Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution).

It is very possible when this happens the Supreme Court will make all 50 states recognize gay marriages that occur in other states. More people support same sex marriage as a percentage of the population now even compared to the percentage supporting interracial marriage in the time of Loving Vs. Virginia.

The momentum for allowing gay marriage is increasing. It will start winning at the ballot box very soon. In these depressing (I find it at least) times this is great news and I especially congratulate the Republicans in Albany that voted for allowing same sex marriage.

Today was a great day for America and a terrible day for bigots and haters.

And who would’ve known a Roman Emperor from the 4th century would have so much influence over western civilization the better part of 2, 000 years.

Paleoconservatarian said:
It’s hardly irrational to understand that the best, most stable environment in which to raise children – so as to further a well adjusted society – is via an intact, two-parent family unit, or to suppose that any social “progress” sold under the false rubric of equality (when there’s already equality – before such a law passes nobody is allowed to marry their same sex, afterwards, everybody is allowed to. Equality under the law exists in both instances) which works against this general understanding is, by definition, harmful.

According to my bore-ometer, this might be the the most boring statement in the history of the English language

And next up, the NYS Legislature will legalize polygamy and incestuous marriage.

What? You want to deny people who love and are committed to one another their right to marriage? Haters!

Giant Forehead said:
According to my bore-ometer, this might be the the most boring statement in the history of the English language

Eat your vegetables, too. They’re good for you.

You jackasses. You don’t know a good thing if it’s right in your face. Now all you whiners in relationships that didn’t have to worry about your mate wanting more of a commitment and you just want to play, gold dig or are just happy the way it is are SCREWED.
I’m sure there will be loving couples and some great parents among the LGBT but wait until you get run through the f-in divorce f-in court grind down the road. You’ll curse this day for the next twenty years.

If the internet were around back in 1968 most of the homophobes online would be appalled at ‘Loving v Virginia’ and consider the ruling for interracial marriage to have destroyed our country and cursed our nation (this is not hyperbole).

I am sure many gay bashers at various internet forums are still privately complaining about the Loving v Virginia decision even now.

WCinWI said:
Don’t worry. Now that New York passed gay marriage, they should just as well pass marriage among anyone or anything. Love is love. :)

Aww now look what you went and did, I just defended the right wing to a friend of mine saying, most of those on the right either don’t care about gay marriage or support it. Don’t make me take it back, it is the 21st century and most of us believe in equal rights for all Americans, get with the times.

The divorce rate will rise exponentially now that gay marriages will be legalized and thrown into the divorce statistics.

I find it interesting and amusing that most male/female couples are deciding not to marry but to cohabitant with each other, why gays are so anxious to marry.

fenngibbon said:
And next up, the NYS Legislature will legalize polygamy and incestuous marriage.

What? You want to deny people who love and are committed to one another their right to marriage? Haters!

Your red herring argument only outs you as a homophobe and a hater of equal rights for all, go back to the 1800s, can’t you build a time machine or something when slavery was legal, women didn’t have any right and gay people had to hide from people like you for fear of being killed?

TerryDo said:
The divorce rate will rise exponentially now that gay marriages will be legalized and thrown into the divorce statistics.

I find it interesting and amusing that most male/female couples are deciding not to marry but to cohabitant with each other, why gays are so anxious to marry.

They aren’t they just want the right to do so.

W.I.S.C said:
Oh please, what’s on MSNBC right now: Lock Up, or whatever its called? Cable News is to politics what professional wrestling is to sports.

I read on twitter it is about gays in prison, I hope MSNBC feels shame tonight and apologizes for showing that horrible show.

Sanders Sock said:
They aren’t they just want the right to do so.

Why did you avoid like bubonic plague the ‘obama hates gay marriage” thread?

Paleoconservatarian said:
It’s hardly irrational to understand that the best, most stable environment in which to raise children – so as to further a well adjusted society – is via an intact, two-parent family unit, or to suppose that any social “progress” sold under the false rubric of equality (when there’s already equality – before such a law passes nobody is allowed to marry their same sex, afterwards, everybody is allowed to. Equality under the law exists in both instances) which works against this general understanding is, by definition, harmful.

Why don’t you go back to the 1800s and take Pat Buchanan with you.

Sanders Sock said:
They aren’t they just want the right to do so.

As you race for your gay marriage cert…..

The momentum is now for legalizing same sex marriage across every state in the union, sooner than many realize. Homophobia needs to be tossed in the dustbin of history.

What happened in Albany tonight brings a big smile to my face. And this bill’s passing proves there are decent and honorable Republicans still out there who believe in love and not hate.

A final thank you to Republican State Sen. Stephen M. Saland.

I am really going to enjoy it when states such as Texas and Tennessee are eventually forced to recognize same sex marriages from other states. It will happen before the decade is over..

Paleoconservatarian said:
It’s hardly irrational to understand that the best, most stable environment in which to raise children – so as to further a well adjusted society – is via an intact, two-parent family unit, or to suppose that any social “progress” sold under the false rubric of equality (when there’s already equality – before such a law passes nobody is allowed to marry their same sex, afterwards, everybody is allowed to. Equality under the law exists in both instances) which works against this general understanding is, by definition, harmful.

Poseur alert.

Sanders Sock said:
I read on twitter it is about gays in prison,

You read twitter to find out what’s on tv? Weird.

Nature Freak said:
The momentum is now for legalizing same sex marriage across every state in the union, sooner than many realize. Homophobia needs to be tossed in the dustbin of history.

What happened in Albany tonight brings a big smile to my face. And this bill’s passing proves there are decent and honorable Republicans still out there who believe in love and not hate.

A final thank you to Republican State Sen. Stephen M. Saland.

I am really going to enjoy it when states such as Texas and Tennessee are eventually forced to recognize same sex marriages from other states. It will happen before the decade is over..

One day years from now history books will look at the opposition to gay marriage, much in the same way we think about the bigots who opposed integration and allowing women and blacks the right to vote. History will not be kind to these people as it should be.

Nature Freak said:
If the internet were around back in 1968

If the internet were around in 1968 you’d know republicans were the ones that got through the Civil Rights Bill. It was democrats like Al Gore Sr. that did everything possible to keep blacks separate from whites. Dr. King was a flaming republican. Democrats had gays so deep in the closet it took another fifty years for the door to open.

Freak said:
The momentum is now for legalizing same sex marriage across every state in the union,

Really?

Jaurez said:
You read twitter to find out what’s on tv? Weird.

Didn’t the Egyptian Revolution break on Twitter? I find out what’s on TV by reading the IMDB instead of TV Guide; is that weird too?

Sanders Sock said:
bigots

*drink*

W.I.S.C said:
If people want to live their lives by a literal interpretation of a couple Bible passages, that is their right. It is not their right to enforce their beliefs on everybody else.

I just think that if you allow gay marriage, then you should allow marriage to animals and such. Perhaps inanimate objects was too offensive. My apologies.

I’ve got a libertarian bent when it comes to gay marriage. I personally think the best family set-up is the duel relationship between mother and father so that the child/children can know their culture, history, family DNA and so on. However, if two members of the same sex should be allowed to marry why not be allowed to marry 20 people or animals? Seems fair.

MadCharles said:
If the internet were around in 1968 you’d know republicans were the ones that got through the Civil Rights Bill. It was democrats like Al Gore Sr. that did everything possible to keep blacks separate from whites. Dr. King was a flaming republican. Democrats had gays so deep in the closet it took another fifty years for the door to open.

Right….but that was before Nixon’s Southern Strategy that brought all of the conservatives over to the Repubs.

btimsah said:
I’m a gay libertarian and I would hope the STATE is not going to FORCE churches to “do gay marriages”. Is that what you (some) actually want? That’s not the rightious or moral way to win the argument – by force.

Gay Marriage is not the

I’m totally against it!

/thankfully, Churches in New York do not have to abide by this law!

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It’s a great day in ny for divorce lawyers. ;)

When the issue of states honoring out of state gay marriages reaches the Supreme Court. I more than suspect that Anthony Kennedy will make the constitutional decision that the Full Faith and Credit Clause requires all 50 states to require recognition of marriages. I would not even be surprised to have a defector from the right making it a 6 to 3 decision vs. a 5 to 4 one.

On a related note I am amused that so many social conservatives are heartbroken over Ted Olsen and his involvement in the movement for same sex equality.
Too bad…

Puby219 said:
I wish there were a way that I could block your idiotic fallacious arguments from ever appearing on my screen. Well, maybe there is. :-)

Aww, puby’s gonna go cry…

What I CAN’T believe is there’s ‘churches’ and religions (methodists, presb, protestants…etal) that are approving of this.
Hate the sin…but love the sinner..
The Bible CLEARY states it’s a sin….

Nature Freak said:

Broken record.

:)

WCinWI said:
finds that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women.

Shhhhh, let ‘em find out the hard way. ;)

Paul G said:
What I CAN’T believe is there’s ‘churches’ and religions (methodists, presb, protestants…etal) that are approving of this.
Hate the sin…but love the sinner..
The Bible CLEARY states it’s a sin….

I can’t wait for Obama to be asked over and over and over his take on the matter. When he’s up against Palin and she says that she thinks that the private lives of people should be private, Palin will have begun the defeat of Obama.

WCinWI said:
I just think that if you allow gay marriage, then you should allow marriage to animals and such. Perhaps inanimate objects was too offensive. My apologies.

I’ve got a libertarian bent when it comes to gay marriage. I personally think the best family set-up is the duel relationship between mother and father so that the child/children can know their culture, history, family DNA and so on. However, if two members of the same sex should be allowed to marry why not be allowed to marry 20 people or animals? Seems fair.

I don’t think an animal can articulate consent to marriage. And personally, I think each family should have the right to raise it the way they choose too.

Jaurez said:
Shhhhh, let ‘em find out the hard way. ;)

What will they do next? Attack the African Americans over their disgust of gays?

Paul G said:
What I CAN’T believe is there’s ‘churches’ and religions (methodists, presb, protestants…etal) that are approving of this.
Hate the sin…but love the sinner..
The Bible CLEARY states it’s a sin….

Not really. The only parts that mention homosexual behavior are letters written by Paul, the man who held the robes of the men who stoned the first Christian martyr after Jesus, and Leviticus, a book of archaic Jewish priestly code. Jesus himself didn’t say a thing about it.

Sanders Youth said:
Why don’t you go back to the 1800s and take Pat Buchanan with you.

Why don’t you learn what equality under the law actually means? This being the 21st century and all, you’d think that that basic knowledge was still important.

Sanders Youth said:
it is the 21st century and most of us believe in equal rights for all Americans, get with the times.

Sanders Youth said:
Your red herring argument only outs you as a homophobe and a hater of equal rights for all

There is no legitimate equality issue at play here. The law effects everyone equally.

I am fine will more people getting equal tax credits. The more the merrier!

WCinWI said:
What will they do next? Attack the African Americans over their disgust of gays?

No, they’ll blame The Mormons. LOL!

btimsah said:
I’m a gay libertarian and I would hope the STATE is not going to FORCE churches to “do gay marriages”. Is that what you (some) actually want? That’s not the rightious or moral way to win the argument – by force.

Gay Marriage is not the

wow….finally a wingnut that realizes that marriages isnt sanctioned by the church its ALLOWED AND SANCTIONED BY THE STATE……IM SURE GAY COUPLES WONT MIND GOING BEFOR A JUDGE OR THE JUSTICE OF THE PEACE TO GET MARRIED

WCinWI said:
… the private lives of people should be private …

If only a modern political party supported such an ideal . . .

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Sanders Youth said:
One day years from now history books will look at the opposition to gay marriage, much in the same way we think about the bigots who opposed integration and allowing women and blacks the right to vote. History will not be kind to these people as it should be.

I agree 100 percent. Many of the haters that oppose gay marriage will 10 years from now deny they were ever against same sex marriage or GLBT people in general. Same thing happened in the 1970s and 1980′s in regards to previous attidudes held by many regarding women, people of color, and the civil rights movement. The movement for equality is at a historical noteworthy point now. The momentum really is for tolerance.

Paleoconservatarian said:
It’s hardly irrational to understand that the best, most stable environment in which to raise children – so as to further a well adjusted society – is via an intact, two-parent family unit, or to suppose that any social “progress” sold under the false rubric of equality (when there’s already equality – before such a law passes nobody is allowed to marry their same sex, afterwards, everybody is allowed to. Equality under the law exists in both instances) which works against this general understanding is, by definition, harmful.

It is irrational to think your argument even applies to the issue. So children do best when the family situation is ideal? No kidding Sherlock. It’s also obvious that society is not and will not be ideal. There no indication at all , no evidence that SSM is harmful to society , or to children raised in that type of family. Trying to force the association is an irrational act.
Trying to alter the definition of equality that has been accepted by our society and practiced in many civil rights issues is also irrational. See, before the majority in New York had the right to marry the person they loved and were sexually attracted to, while the minority did not. After, everyone can marry the person they love and are sexually attracted to. That’s equality and there is no false rubric based on your words games.
Shall we talk the old laws on interracial marriage? Lot’s of people had irrational arguments to justify their personal feelings. Now they just seem silly. Decades from now the folks still clinging to irrational justifications for denying equality to our gay and lesbian citizens will be seen in the same way.

Freak said:
I agree 100 percent.

Shocker!

W.I.S.C said:
I don’t think an animal can articulate consent to marriage. And personally, I think each family should have the right to raise it the way they choose too.

The problem with your scenarios are that:

A) Animals can be taught how to perform actions.

B) It shouldn’t matter how the family wants to raise the child. It should be in the child’s best interest. Those interests include understanding the DNA makeup, along with history and cultural beliefs that only two parents can provide.

Freak said:
Many of the people with morals that oppose gay marriage will 10 years from now deny they were ever against same sex marriage or GLBT people in general.

Projection.

Jaurez said:
Shocker!

Winning!

TerryDo said:
The divorce rate will rise exponentially now that gay marriages will be legalized and thrown into the divorce statistics.

I find it interesting and amusing that most male/female couples are deciding not to marry but to cohabitant with each other, why gays are so anxious to marry.

Actually a lot of them aren’t. I read an article that said lots of gay couples don’t want to get married , but those that do should have that right.

WCinWI said:
I just think that if you allow gay marriage, then you should allow marriage to animals and such. Perhaps inanimate objects was too offensive. My apologies.

I’ve got a libertarian bent when it comes to gay marriage. I personally think the best family set-up is the duel relationship between mother and father so that the child/children can know their culture, history, family DNA and so on. However, if two members of the same sex should be allowed to marry why not be allowed to marry 20 people or animals? Seems fair.

I’m surprised I would’ve thought you would’ve agreed with Palin’s view on same sex marriage. I thought you were a Libertarian?

WCinWI said:
I just think that if you allow gay marriage, then you should allow marriage to animals and such. Perhaps inanimate objects was too offensive. My apologies.

The implication here is that gay people are less than human. I see this argument a lot, and that’s what it means when you get right down to it. It’s incomprehensible to me. I don’t have any problem at all seeing the difference between some of my close friends who are in committed relationships and love each other and now have the right to get married, versus an argument that views them as no better than animals or objects. I just fundamentally don’t understand the objections on this issue.

Paleoconservatarian said:
Why don’t you learn what equality under the law actually means? This being the 21st century and all, you’d think that that basic knowledge was still important.

You are incorrect. It’s about human beings , equal citizens in every other way, being able to marry the person they love and are attracted to.The majority being hetero, have that right and are denying it to the minority. Just as in so many other civil rights issues, but more closely to interracial marriage. Whether the bigotry is based on skin color or sexual orientation it’s bigotry all the same.

You’re playing word games to justify your position. You’re rephrasing and updating old arguments that have failed and been shown to be foolish by history.

Yoda002 said:
I’m surprised I would’ve thought you would’ve agreed with Palin’s view on same sex marriage. I thought you were a Libertarian?

I do agree with Palin’s thoughts on marriage. Thanks! :)

Looking for a little Friday-night closemindedness, I thought to myself, “Go see what those Republic Party shills are saying in the Mediaite forums.” And you inbreeding, mouthbreathing, unpatriotic sacks of crap never fail to disappoint.

WCinWI, I think your comments about animals formally disqualifies you from being granted any measure of respect here. But I do look forward to the next time you go crying to a moderator in faux outrage at having been offended. You’re a disgrace. Expect to be treated like one, and quit yer bitchin’ when it happens. You’ve earned it, baby.

WCinWI said:
B) It shouldn’t matter how the family wants to raise the child. It should be in the child’s best interest. Those interests include understanding the DNA makeup, along with history and cultural beliefs that only two parents can provide.

I guess all those single parent families are doomed to be abject failures then right? Oh wait they’re not.

da-wdc said:
The implication here is that gay people are less than human. I see this argument a lot, and that’s what it means when you get right down to it. It’s incomprehensible to me. I don’t have any problem at all seeing the difference between some of my close friends who are in committed relationships and love each other and now have the right to get married, versus an argument that views them as no better than animals or objects. I just fundamentally don’t understand the objections on this issue.

Until the science is there, it is a choice to be gay. Should people that want to marry multiple partners be denied that right to marry? Should someone that falls in love with an animal? I’m sorry but regardless of what you think two gay people cannot procreate. One individual could. Of course there’s adoption. However, when you have an instance where a child doesn’t have the influence of their mother or father or both, that child will not learn all that it should. That doesn’t mean that gays can’t be parents. It just means that gays shouldn’t be a protected class.

CosmosDan said:
bigotry

*drink*

CosmosDan said:
I guess all those single parent families are doomed to be abject failures then right? Oh wait they’re not.

I have the same concerns for single families too. This isn’t only a gay issue. It’s a child issue.

WCinWI said:
The problem with your scenarios are that:

A) Animals can be taught how to perform actions.

B) It shouldn’t matter how the family wants to raise the child. It should be in the child’s best interest. Those interests include understanding the DNA makeup, along with history and cultural beliefs that only two parents can provide.

A) Really? Really? Okay fine, but scientific research tells us animals don’t possess the prerequisite higher brain functions to be classified as quote unquote citizens to governed under civilization’s law. The “slippery slope theory” doesn’t apply here.

B) “It shouldn’t matter how the family wants to raise the child. It should be in the child’s best interest.” –If this statement isn’t big government socialism, I don’t know what is.

CosmosDan said:
I guess all those single parent families are doomed to be abject failures then right? Oh wait they’re not.

I love that, when it’s convenient, Whacked-outC*ntinWI wants to throw morality out the window (“it shouldn’t matter how the family wants to raise the child”) but does so, presumably, under the auspices of–you guessed it–her superior morality. Typical Pavlovian righty, just salivating at the bell of intolerance whenever it rings.

AmericaSucks said:
unpatriotic

Uh oh. The flaming hypocrite is here under a new name…

AmericaSucks said:
WCinWI, I think your comments about animals formally disqualifies you from being granted any measure of respect here.

Her game is to come in and make ridiculous statements and play games with liberal posters. She realized some time ago that she’s a lot better at that than actually defending her positions in a rational discussion. IMHO.

Jaurez said:
Uh oh. The flaming hypocrite is here under a new name…

I know that anyone who can be described as “flaming” is of great interest to you, so I appreciate the attention.

WCinWI said:
It shouldn’t matter how the family wants to raise the child. It should be in the child’s best interest.

Now you want the government to tell parents how to raise their children?

WCinWI said:
Until the science is there, it is a choice to be gay. Should people that want to marry multiple partners be denied that right to marry? Should someone that falls in love with an animal? I’m sorry but regardless of what you think two gay people cannot procreate. One individual could. Of course there’s adoption. However, when you have an instance where a child doesn’t have the influence of their mother or father or both, that child will not learn all that it should. That doesn’t mean that gays can’t be parents. It just means that gays shouldn’t be a protected class.

Exactly…It’s a slippery slope. I remember when airlines cut down ‘smoking to ‘just’ 4 rows,,,Now I can’t even have a smoke at a bar.

Personal attack @ 12:47. AmericaSucks

CosmosDan said:
Her game is to come in and make ridiculous statements and play games with liberal posters. She realized some time ago that she’s a lot better at that than actually defending her positions in a rational discussion. IMHO.

Yup. But she’s not even particularly good at that. I’d hoped that finally getting a job would improve her self-esteem enough that she’d be alter her behavior, but it looks like her (in)breeding has got the better of her.

Jaurez said:
Personal attack @ 12:47. AmericaSucks

Drink.

Nacho said:
Now you want the government to tell parents how to raise their children?

Now you want the government to ask 5th graders if they’ve ever had oral sex?

WCinWI said:
I have the same concerns for single families too. This isn’t only a gay issue. It’s a child issue.

If you want to control how other families exist; you better just shut up when it comes to Obama Care because, by your own words, you advocate for family socialism, which is FAR worse than medical socialism.

CosmosDan says:

Nice to know you hate America, too.

WCinWI said:
I have the same concerns for single families too. This isn’t only a gay issue. It’s a child issue.

So we shouldn’t let people who can’t have children get married?

The reality is that children grow up in less than ideal conditions all the time. Some do very well and some do not. Some children grow up in two parent hetero homes that are incredibly dysfunctional. The SSM issue has nothing to do with the welfare of children, with the possible exception of maybe more families wanting to adopt and provide for children.

Nacho said:
Now you want the government to tell parents how to raise their children?

But not their healthcare. Makes PERFECT sense.

Jaurez said:
CosmosDan says:

Nice to know you hate America, too.

Any country that spawned someone like you is obviously in big, big trouble. I won’t ask you to stop spreading your hate and misinformation, but I do have one request: PLEASE stop breathing.

Hey kids look: it seems the Right can be socialists too!

W.I.S.C said:
A) Really? Really? Okay fine, but scientific research tells us animals don’t possess the prerequisite higher brain functions to be classified as quote unquote citizens to governed under civilization’s law. The “slippery slope theory” doesn’t apply here.

B) “It shouldn’t matter how the family wants to raise the child. It should be in the child’s best interest.” –If this statement isn’t big government socialism, I don’t know what is.

A) Marrying multiple persons is ok?

B) I hope you never have kids.

AmericaSucks says:

sock puppet alert

WCinWI said:
A) Marrying multiple persons is ok?

B) I hope you never have kids.

A) Aren’t you the person who was extolling the virtues of Mormons a few nights ago?

B) I wish your parents hadn’t. If ever there was an argument for late-term abortion–perhaps extending even into adulthood–you are it.

Jaurez said:
AmericaSucks says:

sock puppet alert

Zzzzzzzzzzzz… C’mon, baby. Put some effort into it.

MBW said:
Right….but that was before Nixon’s Southern Strategy that brought all of the conservatives over to the Repubs.

The southern strategy had far more to do with disaffection with the Democratic party than the famed liberal lie of “dog whistle politics. When the strategy had it’s debut in 1968, those voters you suppose were for the Republicans were in truth voting for George Wallace, an former Democrat – as was factored for in the design of the strategy. Nixon didn’t try compete with Wallace for that segment of the vote. He stressed small government, strong defense, states rights and so on. Even so, the southern strategy worked and Nixon carried those states in the south Wallace didn’t win. So disorganized were the Dems in ’72, Nixon carried all but one state. Blacks voted for Nixon to the tune of 36%. Carter in ’76 won every single southern state, being a Georgian.

By 1980, the issue that solidified the south for the Republican party in that election and from then on in was Reagan’s purposeful courting of Evangelicals and Christian conservatives.

The tale that the southern strategy ever represented Republican racism is a progressive lie, much like the rest of the progressive narrative.

But don’t just take my word on it. Read the words (also as a shout out to Saunders) of the co-author of the Southern Strategy.

With a few exceptions (the state of Tennessee comes to mind), the anti gay rights people as well as the same sex marriage haters are not as of late outright winning many battles in the United States. Even south of the border in Mexico City gay marriage is now legal (thank you Marcelo Ebrard), and all other Mexican states have to recognize the marriages.

That has to be disconcerting for all you haters and bigots.

Anyone with half a brain can see how this is trending, and even if a Republican does replace Obama, this will be just a bump in the road regarding gay rights and same sex marriage..

Many bigots will not be sleeping well tonight. Oh well!

Paul G said:
Now you want the government to ask 5th graders if they’ve ever had oral sex?

My argument isn’t government-based. When you make the decision to have sex, you are saying “I’m ready for a kid”…no sex is guaranteed to be 100% safe but abstinence. All decisions should be made with the child at heart. The US has turned into such a sad state of affairs with people thinking it’s ok to raise kids by themselves and that the moral fabric of family doesn’t matter. It does matter.

AmericaSucks says:

Can you wake up Sanders sock?

WCinWI said:
My argument isn’t government-based. When you make the decision to have sex, you are saying “I’m ready for a kid”…no sex is guaranteed to be 100% safe but abstinence. All decisions should be made with the child at heart. The US has turned into such a sad state of affairs with people thinking it’s ok to raise kids by themselves and that the moral fabric of family doesn’t matter. It does matter.

You don’t have much of an argument, and the little bit that you DO have is an argument in favor of abortion.

In other words, this is your best post ever!

AmericaRules said:
Zzzzzzzzzzzz… C’mon, baby. Put some effort into it.

It takes no effort knowing you’re a sock-puppet.

WCinWI said:
Until the science is there, it is a choice to be gay.

The science is there. It’s a shame people are eager to deny it.

WCinWI said:
I’m sorry but regardless of what you think two gay people cannot procreate. One individual could.

What nonsense. There are hetero couples where one partner or the other cannot conceive and they find a way to have a family. It’s not about procreation either. It’s about equality.

Jaurez said:
It takes no effort knowing you’re a sock-puppet.

I’ve learned to not talk to CDan and AS. :) It’s quite fulfilling. :)

AmericaSucks said:
in favor of abortion.

A pro abortion sock puppet? Who knew, patsy?

CosmosDan said:
The science is there. It’s a shame people are eager to deny it.

What nonsense. There are hetero couples where one partner or the other cannot conceive and they find a way to have a family. It’s not about procreation either. It’s about equality.

WCinWI seems not to realize that some people out there have sex for pleasure. Odd, given how many member of the Legion of Righteousness in the Republic Party have done so outside their marriages, with congressional pages, etc.

Hey WC, I have a suggestion: rip off a good, satisfying masturbation session. It’ll calm you down a bit.

CosmosDan said:
The science is there. It’s a shame people are eager to deny it.

What nonsense. There are hetero couples where one partner or the other cannot conceive and they find a way to have a family. It’s not about procreation either. It’s about equality.

Gay animals are proof enough for me. Are animals corrupted by the homosexual media, etc.? You’re arguing with stupid, so don’t expect your logic to actually matter. But nonetheless. There are gay animals. That’s sufficient to disprove every argument of “gay as choice”.

WCinWI said:
I have the same concerns for single families too. This isn’t only a gay issue. It’s a child issue.

There is a lot single parent families out there and that is reality, so your ideal perfect family is not very practical. There are probably a lot of kids raised in a same sex parent families that are doing very well.

WCinWI said:
I’ve learned to not talk to CDan and AS. :) It’s quite fulfilling. :)

I’m sure it’s the only fulfilling sensation you’ve felt in a looooooooong time.

WCinWI said:
A) Marrying multiple persons is ok?

B) I hope you never have kids.

A) Ask a Mormon. Personally, I don’t believe in marriage at all, but I’d never enforce that belief on you.

B) You have a right to that wish. I hope you develop and make peace with the fact that many people do not hold the same core beliefs you hold, and you, and “your world,” will keep on trucking despite that.

WCinWI said:
I’ve learned to not talk to CDan and AS. :) It’s quite fulfilling. :)

One wraps itself in the flag the other fly’s it upside down and they sleep together. Oh, the irony!

WCinWI said:
My argument isn’t government-based. When you make the decision to have sex, you are saying “I’m ready for a kid”…no sex is guaranteed to be 100% safe but abstinence. All decisions should be made with the child at heart. The US has turned into such a sad state of affairs with people thinking it’s ok to raise kids by themselves and that the moral fabric of family doesn’t matter. It does matter.

Yes again…Kinda…”The US has turned into such a sad state of affairs with people thinking it’s ok to raise kids by ” THE GOVERNMENT!!

Here’s one for the religious right bigots…

Daniel 5:25–28:

“And this is the writing that was inscribed: mina, mina, shekel, half-mina. This is the interpretation of the matter: mina, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end; shekel, you have been weighed on the scales and found wanting; half-mina, your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians”.

The “handwriting is on the wall”. The days of state sponsored bigotry towards GLBT people is numbered and will be coming to an end.

Jaurez said:
One wraps itself in the flag the other fly’s it upside down and they sleep together. Oh, the irony!

Nice spelling, genius. If America doesn’t suck, its education system sure as hell does!

AmericaSucks said:
Yup. But she’s not even particularly good at that. I’d hoped that finally getting a job would improve her self-esteem enough that she’d be alter her behavior, but it looks like her (in)breeding has got the better of her.

I think your insults are far below the level of your intelligence. You’re funniest when the zingers are snarky and clever. But that’s just an opinion.

AmericaSucks said:
I’m sure it’s the only fulfilling sensation you’ve felt in a looooooooong time.

I have to give you credit for ‘working’ nights in your glory hole cubicle…a $1 post? or still the dime? Moron.

CosmosDan said:
I think your insults are far below the level of your intelligence. You’re funniest when the zingers are snarky and clever. But that’s just an opinion.

You’re right; I’m just being crass. Had a crappy day. I should come back when I’m in a better mood.

Good luck with these poor lost souls.

Jaurez said:

http://www.qrd.org/qrd/orgs/NAMBLA/nambla.replies.to.ilga.secretariat

http://www.nambla.org/

What took so long? Come on it’s 2011, almost 2012! Perfect example of why State’s right matter! And really gay animals? They are cannibalistic (eating ones offspring) animals too in the world. Where are our cannibal genes man? I want to eat all those who stupidly lean on gay animal argument!

AmericaSucks said:
Nice spelling, genius. If America doesn’t suck, its education system sure as hell does!

You lose! ;)

Paul G said:
I have to give you credit for ‘working’ nights in your glory hole cubicle…a $1 post? or still the dime? Moron.

Huh?

The Toilet from the Cheese State is hung up on marriage because it is hard for a girl over 300 lbs. to get a date. She’d be less worried about who was getting with whom if she could just maybe eat a salad or two and maybe do some sit ups.

Problem solved America. Let the healing begin.

Gays existed before the Bible. So was homosexuality okay before the Bible?

Paul G said:
I have to give you credit for ‘working’ nights in your glory hole cubicle…a $1 post? or still the dime? Moron.

You’re better than talking to someone who has an upside down flag as an icon. I know that I am. :)

Jaurez said:
You lose! ;)

Just let them talk to one another. They’ll get bored. :)

AmericaSucks said:
Huh?

You know what I mean….

WCinWI said:
You’re better than talking to someone who has an upside down flag as an icon. I know that I am. :)

Nah, you just gave up because you were faring so poorly.

With that in mind, can I suggest you also post a flag as your avatar? A white one would be appropriate.

Paul G said:
You know what I mean….

Huh?

AmericaSucks said:
Huh?

loo wut?

This is a game changer. Rightwing bigotry, greed and ignorance is a big part of why this country is stuck. The left isn’t much better but many left types have understood for a long time that being gay is normal. There have been gay people since time immemorial. It’s how nature made us and I’m sure it’s what God intended – the wonderful variety of humanity, etc. But even conservative types are getting to understand that if they have brothers, sisters and friends who are gay, why shouldn’t they have the right to legally marry. And who says the ideal family has to be heterosexual when love has no boundaries and there are so many kids needing adoption. Why the right is in worse disarray than the left is because so many of the myths of the right are being shattered, i.e. Government involvement in healthcare is always bad even though most other countries have some form of government involvement at half the cost with better outcomes; Wealth trickles down; Homosexuality is a ‘choice!’!; Taxes are always bad even for the mega-rich; Americans are the greatest people who’ve ever roamed the Earth. Slowly but surely, commonsense democracy is coming to America.

Jaurez said:
loo wut?

When?

Paul G said:
You know what I mean….

I know what you mean. :) The irony of him not understanding is too funny.

CosmosDan said:
You are incorrect. It’s about human beings , equal citizens in every other way, being able to marry the person they love and are attracted to.The majority being hetero, have that right and are denying it to the minority. Just as in so many other civil rights issues, but more closely to interracial marriage. Whether the bigotry is based on skin color or sexual orientation it’s bigotry all the same.

You’re playing word games to justify your position. You’re rephrasing and updating old arguments that have failed and been shown to be foolish by history.

No I’m not – there’s a distinct difference at play in the case of laws against interracial marriages in which certain people could marry but others couldn’t based on an arbitrary distinction of their race. One man was held to a different standard than another man, based on the will of the majority. That was patently unequal treatment under the law.

There’s nothing like that case here and those who play at semantics in quoting the “equality” argument in order to garner associative sympathy are you guys.

To demonstrate, in either case of A) marriage being defined as that between a man and a woman, or B) “Gays have the right” to marry (the implication being everyone has the right to marry) – the law is applied the same to every individual. Since equal application of the law should be the goal, that being a basic American value, it should be obvious that that is satisfied by either set of circumstances. That’s important since it makes gay marriage NOT an equal rights issue, and justly so.

ganymede said:
This is a game changer. Rightwing bigotry, greed and ignorance is a big part of why this country is stuck. The left isn’t much better but many left types have understood for a long time that being gay is normal. There have been gay people since time immemorial. It’s how nature made us and I’m sure it’s what God intended – the wonderful variety of humanity, etc. But even conservative types are getting to understand that if they have brothers, sisters and friends who are gay, why shouldn’t they have the right to legally marry. And who says the ideal family has to be heterosexual when love has no boundaries and there are so many kids needing adoption. Why the right is in worse disarray than the left is because so many of the myths of the right are being shattered, i.e. Government involvement in healthcare is always bad even though most other countries have some form of government involvement at half the cost with better outcomes; Wealth trickles down; Homosexuality is a ‘choice!’!; Taxes are always bad even for the mega-rich; Americans are the greatest people who’ve ever roamed the Earth. Slowly but surely, commonsense democracy is coming to America.

I think you’re right, but it’s coming much too slowly.

WCinWI said:
I know what you mean. :) The irony of him not understanding is too funny.

Like most uneducated people, you don’t understand what irony is. And don’t follow Jaurez’s lead on this; his sense of irony is perhaps even less developed than yours.

AmericaSucks said:
Huh?

Okay…Let me make it clear for you, you moron….do you make more from cut or uncut?…or from your moronic posts here? America doesn’t Suck’….yet…Only you.

AmericaSucks said:
Like most uneducated people, you don’t understand what irony is. And don’t follow Jaurez’s lead on this; his sense of irony is perhaps even less developed than yours.

She “has” a Masters. She’ll tell you CONSTANTLY.

More importantly, though, she is Jaurez. The question is whether it is a grumpy old man pretending to be a woman or a very large lady who also pretends to be an aged crank. My bet is that they’ll cut her out of the house someday.

Paul G said:
Okay…Let me make it clear for you, you moron….do you make more from cut or uncut?…or from your moronic posts here? America doesn’t Suck’….yet…Only you.

Huh?

okay…thanks for the answer…you get paid more by your moronic posts….
(thank God you’re not getting paid by the letters used….)

WCinWI, doesn’t believe Palin is running for President that is just sarcasm. She’s just messing with you all and your taking the bait.

Paul G said:
okay…thanks for the answer…you get paid more by your moronic posts….
(thank God you’re not getting paid by the letters used….)

Hello? Is someone there?

Who wants to make a bet till “sucks’ changes his name? …unless he’s proud that he does….

Paul G said:
Who wants to make a bet till “sucks’ changes his name? …unless he’s proud that he does….

Hmmmm…. I thought someone was there, but I guess not. If someone figures out what that noise is, please let me know.

Paul G said:
Who wants to make a bet till “sucks’ changes his name? …unless he’s proud that he does….

Sucks could be soooo many people. Mods need to get out with that one. Abortion talk is uncalled for.

Who cares about the gay issue in 2012? Not conservatives. Blacks? More than likely. Obama’s screwed them on jobs sooo….

If people think that because NY approved gay marriage, the rest of the US will, well then they’re more foolish than they were yesterday. :)

Publius219 said:
Gays existed before the Bible. So was homosexuality okay before the Bible?

There are gay couples in the Bible, although believers are in denial.

Christ onna crutch, give it a rest. How about a little civility, and everyone just mind their own damn business.

Honestly, if its not you waking up next to whoever, or cleaning the toothpaste off the sink, paying the rent or making the sammich. Then why the hell should you care who is where, or how they go about their daily lives? What the hell is wrong with you people who want to tell other people how to live their lives? Shut-up already, get on with our own, and leave others in peace to do the same.

It’s what built our country, It’s our National Motto, it’s ‘Mind You Own Damn Business’ It’s the American Way!

The corollary btw is just as important, and requires action. Expect, no Demand the other guy mind their own damn business too. Don’t tolerate nosy, bossy, busy-body assholes in your business. Tell them to STFU and get out of your house.

headline for the THE SEATTLE TIMES:

“N.Y. legalizes gay marriages; biggest win yet for movement.”

Read it and weep troglodytes.

Nighty Night time for me.

catfishjuggling show said:
The Toilet from the Cheese State is hung up on marriage because it is hard for a girl over 300 lbs. to get a date. She’d be less worried about who was getting with whom if she could just maybe eat a salad or two and maybe do some sit ups.

Problem solved America. Let the healing begin.

Something along those lines is definitely going on here.

GoneFishing said:
Honestly, if its not you waking up next to whoever, or cleaning the toothpaste off the sink, paying the rent or making the sammich. Then why the hell should you care who is where, or how they go about their daily lives? What the hell is wrong with you people who want to tell other people how to live their lives? Shut-up already, .

But the Bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

WCinWI said:
Sucks could be soooo many people. Mods need to get out with that one. Abortion talk is uncalled for.

Who cares about the gay issue in 2012? Not conservatives. Blacks? More than likely. Obama’s screwed them on jobs sooo….

If people think that because NY approved gay marriage, the rest of the US will, well then they’re more foolish than they were yesterday. :)

Waaaahhhhhh…. The bad man said “abortion.”

For heaven’s sake, grow up.

And luckily for the rest of America, one doesn’t have to be a resident of NY to get married there. So this is a boon not only for gay couples, and not only for the USA, but for NY tourism.

It’s a win-win situation!

[Ed. note: Any anxiety you are experiencing at the term "win-win" is simply because it resembles the coupling of two entities that are the same. This will pass.]

CosmosASock said:
There are gay couples in the Bible

Sky fairies much?

Publius219 said:
But the Bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

The only thing biblical going on here, at least from the Republitards, is the proportion of their intolerance.

Patsy said:
So this is a boon not only for gay couples, and not only for the USA, but for NY tourism.

Overturn. ;)

AmericaSucks said:
The only thing biblical going on here, at least from the Republitards, is the proportion of their intolerance.

*Ignorance. They only do as their herders say. They aren’t necessarily intolerant themselves.

I wonder if my old Tea Party friends will be up in arms over this.

lucky5 said:
I wonder if my old Tea Party friends will be up in arms over this.

PDS alert!!!!!!

Hey, how’s that coffee party thingy coming along? LOL!

Publius219 said:
*Ignorance. They only do as their herders say. They aren’t necessarily intolerant themselves.

What amazes me is that people from the party of Reagan can possibly be ANTI-gay. I mean, really. Ronald Reagan? If he were any more of a dandy he’d have been a co-host on “What Not to Wear.”

Maybe his Alzheimer’s was just a side effect from his denial…

lucky5 said:
I wonder if my old Tea Party friends will be up in arms over this.

Seeing as Tea Party folks care about finances – nope.

A lot of the Tea Party folks are Democrats, Indies and Libertarians. It’s a beautiful thing. :) I say make gay marriage acceptable in all 50 states and US-operated countries. What will the Dems do when they lose their voting block? Obama can’t even side with the gays. He’s gone Republican.

Puby219 said:
They only do as their herders say.

sez the olbyloon…

I see from her avatar that WCinWI took my earlier advice.

Felt good, didn’t it, WC?

MexicoSucks said:
Ronald Reagan

*drink*

MexicoSucks said:
Felt good, didn’t it, WC?

U would know, right?

Jaurez said:
U would know, right?

Huh?

WCinWI said:
Seeing as Tea Party folks care about finances – nope.

A lot of the Tea Party folks are Democrats, Indies and Libertarians. It’s a beautiful thing. :) I say make gay marriage acceptable in all 50 states and US-operated countries. What will the Dems do when they lose their voting block? Obama can’t even side with the gays. He’s gone Republican.

A lot of them were really conservative!! I don’t think this changes how people vote at all.

Publius219 said:
But the Bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

Yea well…You would think Christians would have a little grace. But it’s hard to get the message past the training sometimes. If someone wants to go to church on Sunday, or watch the game…thats fine with me, it;s not my business. My problem is when they demands I do too….it ain’t gonna happen. I go fishing. If thats gonna be an issue, well I guess I gotta disappoint them.

Jaurez said:
sez the olbyloon…

So check this out. I’ve been on Amazon the last few days to battle back negative comments left by liberals to her book reviews section and I get alerts for when people comment back to what I’ve said. Today, someone had the audacity to say that Olby was relevant and had significant power. It was the funniest post that I ever saw. All about how Olby had more relevance than Bristol yet here was the person on a Bristol thread on Amazon. I was like “what a nutter”.

lucky5 said:
A lot of them were really conservative!! I don’t think this changes how people vote at all.

Nope. It only brings people to the fold. And brings people that were unlikely to vote in elections out to vote.

It’s beyond funny when people don’t know how politics or elections work. What’s Obama going to run on? Hope and change? Being the first Black President? Do tell.

lucky5 said:
I wonder if my old Tea Party friends will be up in arms over this.

No, we don’t care. Its not our business unless you demand we pay for it.

Jaurez said:
U would know, right?

http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/Iceland%E2%80%99s_President_Compliments_Sarah_Palin_0_379406.news.aspx

GoneFishing said:
Yea well…You would think Christians would have a little grace. But it’s hard to get the message past the training sometimes. If someone wants to go to church on Sunday, or watch the game…thats fine with me, it;s not my business. My problem is when they demands I do too….it ain’t gonna happen. I go fishing. If thats gonna be an issue, well I guess I gotta disappoint them.

A lot of my Christian friends would go to church on Sunday for two hours and then call their mistress on Monday to set up a date on Friday night, if you know what I mean. Christian my ass!! only when it’s convenient to them.

lucky5 said:
A lot of my Christian friends

And I’m John Wayne.

Paleoconservatarian said:
No I’m not – there’s a distinct difference at play in the case of laws against interracial marriages in which certain people could marry but others couldn’t based on an arbitrary distinction of their race. One man was held to a different standard than another man, based on the will of the majority. That was patently unequal treatment under the law.

There are distinct differences between black people and white people and people argued that those differences were significant and important rather than arbitrary. They said it was bad for society, against nature, against God and the Bible. Do those sound familiar? Now you recognize that the distinction of race is indeed arbitrary and unjust and all those arguments were hogwash. Except you’re making the same arguments about SSM.

People are held to different standards now. One person cannot marry the person they are in love with and want to marry, based on the arbitrary distinction of sexual preference. That is patently unequal treatment under the law. The struggle for equality and social justice has brought about a lot of changes in law and perception. If the definition of marriage can be improved to allow interracial marriage , then it can be again.

I’m sure you’ve convinced yourself this argument is genuine and different. It isn’t. It only works if you say race was an arbitrary reason but sexual preference isn’t. I repeat, there is no shred of evidence that SSM will harm society in any way. The arguments suggesting such a thing are just as baseless as they were concerning interracial marriage.
Yes, some specific details are different like gender and sexual preference, but your arguments are just the same, and at it’s heart the issue is just the same. Equality for a minority being denied equal rights.
Individuals should be able to marry another consenting adult. To deny them this right, based on gender or sexual preference , is a denial of their civil rights and our founding principles.

lucky5 said:
A lot of my Christian friends would go to church on Sunday for two hours and then call their mistress on Monday to set up a date on Friday night, if you know what I mean. Christian my ass!! only when it’s convenient to them.

Everybody needs a hobby…if I’m not being asked to pay for the room, well, it ain’t my business.

AmericaSucks said:
With that in mind, can I suggest you also post a flag as your avatar? A white one would be appropriate.

LOL, Now you’re on it.

lucky5 said:
A lot of my Christian friends would go to church on Sunday for two hours and then call their mistress on Monday to set up a date on Friday night, if you know what I mean. Christian my ass!! only when it’s convenient to them.

Then, as a friend, you should tell their wives of their indiscretions. Plus, Christians is too loose of a term. All faiths are under Christianity.

Good for the gays of New York for now having the right to marry.

And since freedom is being spread around left and right in NY, does this mean I can now smoke in Times Square with out being treated like a second class citizen? LET MY PEOPLE GO, NEW YORK!

CosmosDan said:
I repeat, there is no shred of evidence that SSM will harm society in any way.

Is there proof it will help?

CosmosDan said:
LOL, Now you’re on it.

Thanks. Had to get off at least one good one before I packed it in.

AmericaSucks said:
Hmmmm…. I thought someone was there, but I guess not. If someone figures out what that noise is, please let me know.

Is it the cicadas?

illusive man said:
Good for the gays of New York for now having the right to marry.

And since freedom is being spread around left and right in NY, does this mean I can now smoke in Times Square with out being treated like a second class citizen? LET MY PEOPLE GO, NEW YORK!

Before someone more intolerant says it for meanspirited ends, you’re confusing the meanings of “fags.”

WCinWI said:
So check this out. I’ve been on Amazon the last few days to battle back negative comments left by liberals to her book reviews section and I get alerts for when people comment back to what I’ve said. Today, someone had the audacity to say that Olby was relevant and had significant power. It was the funniest post that I ever saw. All about how Olby had more relevance than Bristol yet here was the person on a Bristol thread on Amazon. I was like “what a nutter”.

Hilarious.

Did you express your views on single mothers? Wait, I bet you learned them from Bristol’s book…

GoneFishing said:
Everybody needs a hobby…if I’m not being asked to pay for the room, well, it ain’t my business.

I’m just saying if you’re into your “so called hobby” you shouldn’t be telling other people how to live their life.

MexicoSucks said:
Had to get off at least one good one before I packed it in.

That’s a big drawer you pack them socks in…

lucky5 said:
I’m just saying if you’re into your “so called hobby” you shouldn’t be telling other people how to live their life.

Tell that to the African American community. Those are the ones you’ll have to convince.

WCinWI said:
Sucks could be soooo many people. Mods need to get out with that one. Abortion talk is uncalled for.

Who cares about the gay issue in 2012? Not conservatives. Blacks? More than likely. Obama’s screwed them on jobs sooo….

If people think that because NY approved gay marriage, the rest of the US will, well then they’re more foolish than they were yesterday. :)

I just talked to a black liberal lawyer this afternoon….a Kool-Aid drinker. The more I ‘told him facts’….just like the morons here….they get confused, and went back to ‘Bushes fault’…When I told him Oidiot TRIPLED down on what Bush did….It was Palin. And this was a lawyer. Go figure…

Jaurez said:
Is there proof it will help?

Unless that’s a requirement for heteros to marry it’s completely irrelevant.

lucky5 said:
I’m just saying if you’re into your “so called hobby” you shouldn’t be telling other people how to live their life.

true.

lucky5 said:
I’m just saying if you’re into your “so called hobby” you shouldn’t be telling other people how to live their life.

You’re just jealous cause you couldn’t get laid with a blank check at the mustang ranch. ;)

Paul G said:
I just talked to a black liberal lawyer this afternoon….a Kool-Aid drinker. The more I ‘told him facts’….just like the morons here….they get confused, and went back to ‘Bushes fault’…When I told him Oidiot TRIPLED down on what Bush did….It was Palin. And this was a lawyer. Go figure…

Seriously this time: Huh?!

Paul G said:
I just talked to a black liberal lawyer this afternoon….a Kool-Aid drinker. The more I ‘told him facts’….just like the morons here….they get confused, and went back to ‘Bushes fault’…When I told him Oidiot TRIPLED down on what Bush did….It was Palin. And this was a lawyer. Go figure…

Then next time you talk to your lawyer friend, send the person to another lawyer: Legal Insurrection. :)

CosmosDan said:
Unless that’s a requirement for heteros to marry it’s completely irrelevant.

You just debunked yourself. ;)

WCinWI said:
Then, as a friend, you should tell their wives of their indiscretions. Plus, Christians is too loose of a term. All faiths are under Christianity.

I shouldn’t be the one breaking up people’s families. They call themselves Christians, but it’s not very Christian what they are doing. Lot of these people don’t have room to talk.

WCinWI said:
Then next time you talk to your lawyer friend, send the person to another lawyer: Legal Insurrection. :)

He ‘majored’ in black ‘studies’

WCinWI said:
Then next time you talk to your lawyer friend, send the person to another lawyer: Legal Insurrection. :)

Or to Ann: http://althouse.blogspot.com/

Or just point out to him that the LGBT conservative movement loves Palin. Specifically Tammy Bruce. :)

lucky5 said:
I shouldn’t be the one breaking up people’s families. They call themselves Christians, but it’s not very Christian what they are doing. Lot of these people don’t have room to talk.

Stop making shit up.

fenngibbon said:
And next up, the NYS Legislature will legalize polygamy and incestuous marriage.

What? You want to deny people who love and are committed to one another their right to marriage? Haters!

Maybe they will legalize concubines? That is the lamest argument, it is almost on the level of Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

WCinWI said:
Tell that to the African American community. Those are the ones you’ll have to convince.

A lot of it is in the white conservative community too.

lucky5 said:
I shouldn’t be the one breaking up people’s families. They call themselves Christians, but it’s not very Christian what they are doing. Lot of these people don’t have room to talk.

That’s like be saying that because one Black guy robbed a liquor store that all African Americans are thieves. Do you not get how crazy you sound? And yes, if you had knowledge that they were acting wrong, that’s on you. And that person.

“They went to church on Sundays, called their mistresses on Monday to meet on Friday.”

Straight out of your ass and you know it.

WCinWI said:
So check this out. I’ve been on Amazon the last few days to battle back negative comments left by liberals to her book reviews section and I get alerts for when people comment back to what I’ve said. Today, someone had the audacity to say that Olby was relevant and had significant power. It was the funniest post that I ever saw. All about how Olby had more relevance than Bristol yet here was the person on a Bristol thread on Amazon. I was like “what a nutter”.

You get paid to write reviews at Amazon??

Paul G said:
He ‘majored’ in black ’studies’

So then he should’ve been able to defend O up the wazoo. :)

lucky5 said:
You get paid to write reviews at Amazon??

Nope. I just went to make fun of people that wrote negative comments and bought her book. I like the girl and didn’t buy her book. Therefore I went to thank them for adding to Bristol’s financial fund. :)

WCinWI said:
Or to Ann: http://althouse.blogspot.com/

Or just point out to him that the LGBT conservative movement loves Palin. Specifically Tammy Bruce. :)

Good point…I like Tammy Bruce

Jaurez said:
“They went to church on Sundays, called their mistresses on Monday to meet on Friday.”

Straight out of your ass and you know it.

I am not saying all Christians, but this is the way they act.

lucky5 said:
I shouldn’t be the one breaking up people’s families.

Would you turn in a terrorist? How bout a rapist or a murderer? Wouldn’t want to break up their families would ya? Tool.

lucky5 said:
A lot of it is in the white conservative community too.

There’s nothing conservative about someone with PDS!

lucky5 said:
I am not saying all Christians, but this is the way they act.

Well you acted like a liar. So then all men must be liars.

See how that works? You knew something, you didn’t share it so thus I will put all men under your mistake.

lucky5 said:
You get paid to write reviews at Amazon??

Don’t tell him, WC, he’s a stalker.

Paul G said:
Good point…I like Tammy Bruce

Tammy is in the Palin army. She’s in Bannon’s new movie on Palin. I think Tammy’s a hoot!

WCinWI said:
Nope. I just went to make fun of people that wrote negative comments and bought her book. I like the girl and didn’t buy her book. Therefore I went to thank them for adding to Bristol’s financial fund. :)

So, you wrote reviews and you didn’t read her book? It’s reviews like that which mess it up for everyone else who is trying to learn about a book. I’m sure she will sell a lot of books without your help.

WCinWI said:
There’s nothing conservative about someone with PDS!

Ha!..only if you get paid for every Moronic post like ASucks(I can’t even type his name)….or this Moron.

lucky5 said:
So, you wrote reviews and you didn’t read her book? It’s reviews like that which mess it up for everyone else who is trying to learn about a book. I’m sure she will sell a lot of books without your help.

I never said that I wrote a review. I said that I made comments to others and I even stated that I hadn’t read the book. She’s sold a lot of books to libs that can’t stand her. I love it!

Jaurez said:
Would you turn in a terrorist? How bout a rapist or a murderer? Wouldn’t want to break up their families would ya? Tool.

But I bet he’s pro abortion…

WCinWI said:
I never said that I wrote a review. I said that I made comments to others and I even stated that I hadn’t read the book. She’s sold a lot of books to libs that can’t stand her. I love it!

I was just trying to get clarification. I think they are are just after some juicy stuff about her life in the Palin household. What is PDS?? I don’t know the lingo here.

Paul G said:
But I bet he’s pro abortion…

Did you go to the Maher post about Bristol? It already devolved into an attack on the mentally disabled.

Jaurez said:
Would you turn in a terrorist? How bout a rapist or a murderer? Wouldn’t want to break up their families would ya? Tool.

A terrorist is one thing adultery is something else.

lucky5 said:
I was just trying to get clarification. I think they are are just after some juicy stuff about her life in the Palin household. What is PDS?? I don’t know the lingo here.

If you wish people the ability to get married, why should you care what goes on in Bristol’s life?

It’s Palin Derangement Syndrome. It’s when you have a photo of her as your icon (such s you do) and when you state that you don’t like her, yet talk about her all of the time.

lucky5 said:
A terrorist is one thing adultery is something else.

So then you support Guantanamo. Good to know.

WCinWI said:
If you wish people the ability to get married, why should you care what goes on in Bristol’s life?

It’s Palin Derangement Syndrome. It’s when you have a photo of her as your icon (such s you do) and when you state that you don’t like her, yet talk about her all of the time.

I don’t care what goes on int Bristol’s life, but others might be interested to learn what goes on in her life. I’ll wait until the book is out on paperback before I will buy it.

I actually don’t talk about Palin too much, but I find that you have an obsession with her. I’ll be honest with you I use her picture to get attention.

lucky5 said:
I don’t care what goes on int Bristol’s life, but others might be interested to learn what goes on in her life. I’ll wait until the book is out on paperback before I will buy it.

I actually don’t talk about Palin too much, but I find that you have an obsession with her. I’ll be honest with you I use her picture to get attention.

She’s in your ‘head’…Moron/

gna

WCinWI said:
Nope. I just went to make fun of people that wrote negative comments and bought her book. I like the girl and didn’t buy her book. Therefore I went to thank them for adding to Bristol’s financial fund. :)

So this is you commenting in every review about “lefty comrades” and “no compassion” and “hypocrites”?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A24NSYBWPJSWIO/ref=cm_cr_rev_detpdp

Or is it another troll?

She is totally Audrey Ihrig, BUSTED! LOL

OK, maybe wrong state, but might as well be the same pathetic Amazon troll loser.

Sanders Youth said:
Your red herring argument only outs you as a homophobe and a hater of equal rights for all, go back to the 1800s, can’t you build a time machine or something when slavery was legal, women didn’t have any right and gay people had to hide from people like you for fear of being killed?

Given that it has passed, what would be the point of red herrings? No, I’m quite sincere: all that talk of love and rights and equality apply just as equally to polygamists and consensual incest practitioners as they do to same-sex partners. How do they not?

Paleoconservatarian said:
It’s hardly irrational to understand that the best, most stable environment in which to raise children – so as to further a well adjusted society – is via an intact, two-parent family unit, or to suppose that any social “progress” sold under the false rubric of equality (when there’s already equality – before such a law passes nobody is allowed to marry their same sex, afterwards, everybody is allowed to. Equality under the law exists in both instances) which works against this general understanding is, by definition, harmful.

damn youre becoming more of an idiot withy each comment….gays in NY can get married now…..GET OVER IT……..If you wanna help kids on the road to stability ADVOCATE TO BAN DIVORCE !!!!!!!!

Hey ACLU, As a white straight christian male, I am now in the minority. Do I now get the special treatment or am I bashed twice as much???

WCinWI said:
So check this out. I’ve been on Amazon the last few days to battle back negative comments left by liberals to her book reviews section and I get alerts for when people comment back to what I’ve said. Today, someone had the audacity to say that Olby was relevant and had significant power. It was the funniest post that I ever saw. All about how Olby had more relevance than Bristol yet here was the person on a Bristol thread on Amazon. I was like “what a nutter”.

Maybe you should think about getting a life.

WCinWI said:
I do agree with Palin’s thoughts on marriage. Thanks! :)

You agree with Palin’s thoughts on marriage? What exactly are her thoughts on marriage? Is it to allow your horny teenage daughter to get knocked up by the local Ricky Hollywood and never get married? Then allow your teenage daughter who is now a mommy to live in Arizona with two other boys in sin?

LMAO! I love how this sets all the backwards, homophobe conservatives into a tizzy! Look at ‘em all squirming. You lose again. The country is moving forward without you. Now, go back to bed you hillbillies.

People who endorse gay marriage hate marriage.

ProObamaAgenda said:
.If you wanna help kids on the road to stability ADVOCATE TO BAN DIVORCE !!!!!!!!

Wow. You’re almost rubbing up against a coherent though, freak! But divorce is always going to be necessary, but we don’t need no-fault divorce. We can do away with that and improve the institution immeasurably.

CONGRATULATIONS New York!
CONGRATULATIONS!

And THANK YOU for once again being a beacon of PROGRESS!

We want our country FORWARD!

Skippy is packing his bags right now.

PIZENTU said:
Hey ACLU, As a white straight christian male, I am now in the minority. Do I now get the special treatment or am I bashed twice as much???

Sure – how are you being harmed as the new minority? I am sure they would be glad to stand up for you.

Lets see,

Male – that is a minority in this country. How are you harmed or discriminated against?
White – still majority but likely not for long.
Christian – nope that is a majority though I am sure you are constantly victimized for that with brutal ‘attacks on Christmas.’

God has chosen you to be a white male Christian because He knows you are strong enough to withstand the relentless anguish your race, faith and sex invite. No one, I mean no one suffers like white male Christians. We all draw from your strength.

PIZENTU,

Sorry I forgot ‘straight’ – you are definitely a minority there. I think the latest numbers put the US at ~75% gay. Thats right, almost all Americans are gay and you are outnumbered. Its like that movie Zombieland where marauding bands of gays are wondering our country and you and a few survivors must do what you have to do to stay healthy and, well straight of course.

God’s speed in your desperate journey.

CONGRATULATIONS NEW YORK! I FEEL SORRY FOR ALL YOU BACKWARDS AMERICANS WHO CAN’T DEAL WITH PROGRESS! YOU WILL FIND THE WORLD WILL LEAVE YOU BEHIND!

PIZENTU said:
Hey ACLU, As a white straight christian male, I am now in the minority. Do I now get the special treatment or am I bashed twice as much???

I hear you brother. I dream of the day when straight white christian males are represented amongst the highest echelons of power.

PIZENTU said:
Hey ACLU, As a white straight christian male, I am now in the minority. Do I now get the special treatment or am I bashed twice as much???

We have a real testimony to Crackerism here.

Straight as a minority? Hardly. Not even close.

White as a minority in America? To be sure, most children born in America today are not Cracker Babies, but the plurality still are.

Christian as a minority? Perhaps, if you don’t count RC, Episcoplainians, Lutherans, Presbyterians and Methodists as Christians. Fact is: we Christians are an over-whelming majority in America.

Male? Well, there are more females in America and the world. That has something to do with the fact that women have limited fertility spans, and men, much, much longer ones. Natural law.

You just possess that uniquely Cracker view of the world. If someone else has rights, your rights are somehow diminished. In fact, your rights increase. Margaret Mead wrote of this primitive concept of the “limited good”. It has very little applicability among advanced peoples.

Giant Forehead said:
I hear you brother. I dream of the day when straight white christian males are represented amongst the highest echelons of power.

Don’t we all? all our problems would be solved if we only had more white Christian males in Congress!

It is unfair. White Christian males are the only group it’s politically correct to mock and stereotype. What makes them so special?

The term ‘crackers’ being a case in point.

writer said:
The term ‘crackers’ being a case in point.

Not all white Christian males are Crackers. Just the ones who decry others enjoying civil and Constitutional rights and who regale us with stories of marauding African-Americans chasing them thrice daily.

King, since I’ve so often said that I was being chased, it should be easy for you to quote one of the posts. Go ahead.

writer said:
King, since I’ve so often said that I was being chased, it should be easy for you to quote one of the posts. Go ahead.

I’m sure we’d all rather hear an updated version from the man who experienced the chasings. No doubt, the story has much improved as it lay festering in your mind.

So you can’t do it, King? Gosh, it’s like you just make things up, and are never able to backup what you’re claiming. Go ahead, pull up those quotes and prove which one of us is lying. I’d think you’d jump at the chance.

writer said:
It is unfair. White Christian males are the only group it’s politically correct to mock and stereotype. What makes them so special?

It is true we White Straight Christian Males are constantly discriminated against in the media and in the real life and everywhere else because we are quickly becoming a minority and the whole world is turning a blind ear to our concerns and rights. This “gay marriage” issue is just another step towards the irrelavance of White Straight Christian Males and it is a shame because this country has always faught against discrimination but I guess it is okay when it is against us right? Thank you.

WOW!
It’s 1145 AM EST and the world has not ended yet. The bigots were wrong.

I expected to wake up earlier today in a somewhat uncomfortable sea of fire and brimstone having my eyes plucked out by Hitler or Ted Bundy.

At minimum I expected to look out the window and see some sort of really b!tchin’ apocalypse.

Where are the “locusts looking like horses prepared for battle with their crowns of gold, and their faces resembling human faces”?

All I see outside are squirrels and a couple of blue jays enjoying a quiet summer Saturday.

Could all this doom and gloom and hatred concerning same sex marriage and how it will destroy the human race actually be wrong? Just nothing but silly hype? Who would have known…..

King, did you have to catch a plane again?

Have you heard? White Straight Christian Males are to be transported by boxcars to “summer” camps.
Something about a “final solution”.
Arbeit macht frei!

(mega hardcore condescending sarcasm)

LEAVE BRITNEY I MEAN WHITE STRAIGHT CHRISTIAN MALES ALONE!

Do they have to be Christian, or can we ship all those crackers off?

writer said:
Do they have to be Christian, or can we ship all those crackers off?

If we do that half of my home state of Florida will be vacant.
As a Floridian I could never call myself a cracker like many in my community do.

BTW as I write this thunder and lightning are getting closer and closer(seriously!). I presume it’s just a typical summer thunderstorm headed this way. If this isn’t a typical summer storm I am so frickin’ screwed. I better find my late Mom’s Bible and use it for protection.

If this is prophecy at least meeting the Whore of Babylon will be fun. You know she must be fun in the sack. Kama Sutra time for me!

writer said:
King, did you have to catch a plane again?

Yes, but not until next Thursday.

But you still can’t provide any quotes. I am shocked!

Nature Freak, I get it. Lumping large numbers of white guys into a group and stereotyping them is okay. Just don’t do that with any other group.

The sky is blue,
Grass is green,
Water is wet,
and marriage is one man and one woman

no matter how any government decrees or votes otherwise

writer said:
Nature Freak

The name says it all, huh?

The lightning here is getting worse. This means my internet connection will probably get seriously disrupted.

It was fun while it lasted!

writer said:
But you still can’t provide any quotes. I am shocked!

L eiect not to, WrLter. There is a difference. It’s Saturday in the Summer. Don’t you have some public pool in which you need to urinate?

Nature Freak said:
The lightning here is getting worse. This means my internet connection will probably get seriously disrupted.

It was fun while it lasted!

Is your Avatar the famous FBI profiler who sometimes works with SVU of the NYPD, B.D. Wong?

If two concenting adults want to enter a contractual obligation between each other, it is their business
but to call something a “same-sex marriage” ? It is a contradiction of terms
Like “Jumbo Shrimp” , it is an oxymoron

I think your non-reply pretty much sums up what I was saying, King. Thanks.

I really hope you stumble on

The great Red Whore of Babylon

Forget the Grace,

Enjoy the Lace

Have some fun and carry on.

LEONARD COHEN, Hydra 1983

Dsiscokid said:
marriage is one man and one woman
no matter how any government decrees or votes otherwise

This guy is totally right because I believe the Bible because I believe it is the one true book of laws and the one true book that the Constitution was based on anyway because the Founders were Christians and intended this to be a Christian Nation of course that is difficult now that we have a muslin president. Of course I will be called old fashioned and mocked because of my believes since White Straight Christian Males are made to feel ashamed and disciminated against just like the gays claim to be which is not. Thank you.

writer said:
I think your non-reply pretty much sums up what I was saying, King. Thanks.

At Least the lightning has stopped.

No I do not support sending anyone to “death camps”. If you took me seriously you are truly a dour Calvinist.

Christians have every right to not preform gay marriages or not to recognize it in their churches. Churches do not even have to let gays or people of color inside their buildings. If they want to be that way it is sad and a terrible form of hatred but churches have the right.

In regards to the State or Caesar if you prefer, the State has no right in administering bigotry. The state must honor same sex as well as M and F unions. Everyone should be equal to the government no matter their gender or sexuality is. Stare sanctioned bigotry is evil.

BTW If marriage is truly a “Christian” institution why do we allow Atheists to marry?

And for those interested, I am not gay but I have family and friends that are. True family values require me to support my family and friends as well as the GLBT community as a whole.

This dumb a$$ bigotry by some of you needs to stop!

SuburbanPatriot said:
This guy is totally right because I believe the Bible because I believe it is the one true book of laws and the one true book that the Constitution was based on anyway because the Founders were Christians and intended this to be a Christian Nation of course that is difficult now that we have a muslin president. Of course I will be called old fashioned and mocked because of my believes since White Straight Christian Males are made to feel ashamed and disciminated against just like the gays claim to be which is not. Thank you.

Didn’t I see you in the movie Deliverance? I bet there was no acting on your part!

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Is your Avatar the famous FBI profiler who sometimes works with SVU of the NYPD, B.D. Wong?

No, my avatar today is Dan Choi, Dan is a true American hero.

If we could add jpeg’s to our comments i would not be changing my avatar all the time.

B D Wong, what an awesome name to have!

Dsiscokid said:
The sky is blue,
Grass is green,
Water is wet,
and marriage is one man and one woman

no matter how any government decrees or votes otherwise

I will stick with Leonard Cohen.

Nature Freak said:
At Least the lightning has stopped. No I do not support sending anyone to “death camps”. If you took me seriously you are truly a dour Calvinist. Christians have every right to not preform gay marriages or not to recognize it in their churches. Churches do not even have to let gays or people of color inside their buildings. If they want to be that way it is sad and a terrible form of hatred but churches have the right. In regards to the State or Caesar if you prefer, the State has no right in administering bigotry. The state must honor same sex as well as M and F unions. Everyone should be equal to the government no matter their gender or sexuality is. Stare sanctioned bigotry is evil. BTW If marriage is truly a “Christian” institution why do we allow Atheists to marry? And for those interested, I am not gay but I have family and friends that are. True family values require me to support my family and friends as well as the GLBT community as a whole. This dumb a$$ bigotry by some of you needs to stop!

So with this statement, you can be counted on defend the rights of children in the womb also?

Dsiscokid said:
So with this statement, you can be counted on defend the rights of children in the womb also?

Nice example of a Non sequitur.

Apples and oranges.

WCinWI said:
No one cares what New Yorkers do.
Casey Anthony trial is more exciting than gay marriage.

And that’s what counts in our news …. excitement. *sheesh*

Nature Freak said:
Nice example of a Non sequitur. Apples and oranges.

If one has a “right” that has been denied, would it not be consistent that the other has been denied a “right” also?

Goodness, Dan. Have you looked at the email you sent out this morning? 5 of your 18 features have to do with the NY legislature’s gay marriage passage. Agenda item?

So what’s the “right”? That what two consenting adults wish to do in the name of love should be legal? If so, NY’s enterprising legislature has just engaged in the exact same bigotry they claim to try to eradicate. Lots of combos of consenting adults are still “disenfranchised” (inc*est, polygamy). Why just gays?

writer said:
Nature Freak, I get it. Lumping large numbers of white guys into a group and stereotyping them is okay. Just don’t do that with any other group.

This blue eyed devil of German Welsh Irish and Iberian (Sephardic) ancestry called “Nature Freak” is very white although some in the KKK may take umbrage at my noticeable Sephardic side. Why would i hate my White ancestry? Bigots suck no matter what there racial origin is.

We are all human beings first and foremost. I admit I greatly dislike a certain form of intolerant Christianity i run into travelling Florida and the South. Even these intolerant types are human entities and deserve protection fro the State. But stay out of my business!

You do your thing Christian Right. Let the rest of us do our own thing.

Why the hell is this even a racial issue? This topic is about same sex marriage.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Don’t you have some public pool in which you need to urinate?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

SuburbanPatriot said:
This guy is totally right because I believe the Bible because I believe it is the one true book of laws and the one true book that the Constitution was based on anyway because the Founders were Christians and intended this to be a Christian Nation of course that is difficult now that we have a muslin president. Of course I will be called old fashioned and mocked because of my believes since White Straight Christian Males are made to feel ashamed and disciminated against just like the gays claim to be which is not. Thank you.

Meth much?

Hugo Daun said:
Meth much?

“Sub” would actually be more coherent using Meth, for at least he would be self medicating himself.

Hugo Daun said:
Meth much?

“I am on a drug. It’s called SuburbanPatriot. It’s not available. If you try it once, you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body.”

Nature F., the way you kept putting the emphasis on white Christian males, I though maybe you were singling them out or something.

‘thought’. Like a late Brit, I missed my ‘t’.

This law isn’t about gay marriage; this law is about pandering to special interests to secure certain voting blocs, in the upcoming elections. Both parties now are emboldened to pass any law they see fit, in the name of winning elections. Why do they do this? Because every time the people vote on this issue, virtually every state says ‘no.’ We now have power of the government, by the government, and for the government. The same thing is taking place on the issue of illegals in this country. Members of both parties believe if they pass amnesty legislation, they are securing the Hispanic voting bloc. The joke will be on both parties when they pass laws making Hispanics the new majoirty. Why? Because Hispanics will vote their own self-interests and will overwhelmingly elect other Hispanics. Those greedy bums in DC can’t see the forest for the trees.

Hugo, I asked the King to provide one of my quotes to prove he wasn’t lying and he refused. Wonder why? Yuck it up, Hugo.

writer said:
Nature F., the way you kept putting the emphasis on white Christian males, I though maybe you were singling them out or something.

I am White, I have family that is Christian (and family that is not including Pagan and Jewish). I tend towards Unitarianism myself. There is a type of Christian here in the South that is obnoxious, hates education and is intolerant to the core. This type was well represented in Selma, Scottsboro, and Birmingham.

Unfortunately there are those who are African Americans who oppose same sex marriage as well. Opinions and attitudes will change one heart at a time.

Have I not answered your question?

READ THIS:

After having been commissioned by God to take a survey of how man was doing on Earth, St. Peter now stood before his boss ready to present his findings.
“Tell me, St. Peter, what have you found out?” God asked.
“I’m very sorry to have to tell you this, but the people are behaving in a sinful manner. There’s drugs, alcohol, murders, you name it. A regular Sodom and Gomorrah. But the worst is this new obsession with oral and anal sex. According to my survey, 88% of the population is doing it. I’m afraid it has reached epidemic proportions.”

“Hmmm,” God said thoughtfully, “Do you have any recommendations as to what should be done to put an end to this sexual perversion?”

“I think we should send a message to everyone on Earth who engages in oral and anal sex. The contents of that message should tell them exactly what will happen to them on Judgment Day if they do not stop this type of activity.” replied St. Peter.

“That is an effective solution,” God stated, “but I think that instead of punishing those who practice oral and anal sex, we should reward those who refrain from it. Let’s send a letter that’s personally signed by me to each one of these good people.”

And so they did.

Does any one on this thread know what the letter said?

No?

Hmmm…You didn’t get the letter either, huh??

You have to love hypocrisy.

W.I.S.C said:
Oh please, what’s on MSNBC right now: Lock Up, or whatever its called? Cable News is to politics what professional wrestling is to sports.

Rachel Maddow extended her program for at least 1 hour last night until the bill passed.

Jaurez said:
WCinWI said:
finds that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women.
Shhhhh, let ‘em find out the hard way. ;)

Can’t get much more vile than you.

WCinWI said:
I just think that if you allow gay marriage, then you should allow marriage to animals and such. Perhaps inanimate objects was too offensive. My apologies.

I was wrong … you are more vile than Jaurez. Do you still think Michelle Obama looks like a monkey too?

Call_Me_Ishmael said:
Poseur alert.

Who’s the poseur? You?

In the joke above I meant oral and or anal sex and it was primarily directed to heterosexuals.

Oral is much more common than anal among m/f couples, but the prevalence of m/f anal sex is much higher than many care to admit, and the rate is increasing. BTW my point is Heterosexuals can be just as “freaky” as gays. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

BTW Google femdom.

Heterosexuals can get their groove on as much as “the queers”.

AmericaSucks said:
Hmmmm…. I thought someone was there, but I guess not. If someone figures out what that noise is, please let me know.

It’s the sound of empty air being expressed through a propeller head.

Alice67 said:
It’s the sound of empty air being expressed through a propeller head.

That’s what it was! It explains the whirring sound.

By the way, you are 100% correct about WCinWI; she’s bent on becoming the most vile creature on here. Funny, then, that’s she’s also the ONLY person I’ve ever seen go running to a moderator to be rescued because someone offended her poor little sensibilities. What a hoot she/it is.

AmericaSucks said:
That’s what it was! It explains the whirring sound.

By the way, you are 100% correct about WCinWI; she’s bent on becoming the most vile creature on here. Funny, then, that’s she’s also the ONLY person I’ve ever seen go running to a moderator to be rescued because someone offended her poor little sensibilities. What a hoot she/it is.

I have given up feuding with individuals here. It only raises my blood pressure. There are those here who irritate me, but in real life perhaps I would actually get along with them in face to face dialogue. Forums like this can promote conflict beyond what you see at a Starbucks. Now with someone like “Suburban”, it is still hard for me not to be a smart ass towards him.

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To be honest, the only people taking it up the a** due to the passage of marriage equality in NY are the disgusting, right-wing, Anti-American, delusional crazies! The passage of this law is going to feel like just a tingle in their behinds compared to the reaming the Republicans will be taking in November ‘12. Republicans have shown themselves as the anti-middle class, anti-jobs, pro tax cuts for the rich, racist, anti-immigrant, corporate shills that they are. Why, they are going to take it so fast and hard on Nov. 6, 2012, they won’t even be able to walk on Nov. 7!

Read: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, written by English historian Edward Gibbon 1776

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Roman_Empire

namseer said:
To be honest, the only people taking it up the a** due to the passage of marriage equality in NY are the disgusting, right-wing, Anti-American, delusional crazies! The passage of this law is going to feel like just a tingle in their behinds compared to the reaming the Republicans will be taking in November ‘12. Republicans have shown themselves as the anti-middle class, anti-jobs, pro tax cuts for the rich, racist, anti-immigrant, corporate shills that they are. Why, they are going to take it so fast and hard on Nov. 6, 2012, they won’t even be able to walk on Nov. 7!

lol. I love reading the nonsensical ramblings that can only come from the emotional four legged animal we call “liberal”. Hilarious!

TangledThorns says:
June 25, 2011 at 8:02 am

People who endorse gay marriage hate marriage

People who make ridiculous statements like this hate thinking

SuburbanPatriot says:
It is true we White Straight Christian Males are constantly discriminated against in the media and in the real life and everywhere else because we are quickly becoming a minority and the whole world is turning a blind ear to our concerns and rights. This “gay marriage” issue is just another step towards the irrelavance of White Straight Christian Males and it is a shame because this country has always faught against discrimination but I guess it is okay when it is against us right? Thank you.

I really don’t understand this. Exactly how are white straight Christian males being discriminated against? This success in New York is an example of this country fighting against discrimination. In this case the discrimination was perpetrated by a lot of Christians. If white male Christians are not running everything and getting their way, that’s not discrimination. That’s society growing and changing.

Dsiscokid says:
marriage is one man and one woman

no matter how any government decrees or votes otherwise

Not because you have declared it so. If you look at the history of different cultures and societies you’ll see marriage varies quite a bit. In the pictures of the celebrations in NY I saw someone with a very simple sign.

Marriage is about Commitment, Not Gender

it’s that simple. The concept that SSM can harm marriage as an institution is ludicrous, based on irrational thinking,

SuburbanPatriot says:
This guy is totally right because I believe the Bible because I believe it is the one true book of laws and the one true book that the Constitution was based on anyway because the Founders were Christians and intended this to be a Christian Nation of course that is difficult now that we have a muslin president. Of course I will be called old fashioned and mocked because of my believes since White Straight Christian Males are made to feel ashamed and discriminated against just like the gays claim to be which is not. Thank you.

If you lay your beliefs out on a public discussion board you should expect people to comment. It’s not persecution.
There is no nobility in denying reality and then calling it righteousness. Nobody minds if someone is a straight white Christian male, if you are good to other people. If instead you judge them and preach to them then you should expect a reaction. If you deny people equality because of your interpretation of a 2000 year old book, expect them to react. In the Bible it says to seek the truth and not worship the traditions of men. Start there.

Nacho said:
Now you want the government to tell parents how to raise their children?

Being in the legal services industry, I would have to say, yes, I want the government involved……

when I served a 13 year old mother of an adopted child whose own mother thought it was a good idea to allow a 26 year old man into their home to “help out around the house”. That man is now in prison for rape of a 12 year old and that young girl will forever have “issues”.

when I serve a man in jail for non-payment of child support on his other 3 children, tells me that he will find someone in his family to “take care of IT”, meaning his 3 month old son now up for adoption.

when I serve a mother of a 13 year old girl who has 5 people living in a 1 bedroom duplex. The mother and her boyfriend sleep in the bedroom while the 13 year old girl has to share a pull-out couch with her 4 year old half-brother and the 13 year old son of her mother’s boyfriend.

when I see a divorced couple so invested in their hatred of each other, that they don’t see how their custody battles since they were divorced 4 years ago have caused their son to act out at school to the point that he has been removed from participating in sports and other extra-curricular activities.

So when it comes to children….yes, give me government intervention.

Queen (sung by Freddie Mercury)

I want to break free
I want to break free from your lies
You’re so self satisfied I don’t need you
I’ve want to break free
God knows, God knows I want to break free

I’ve fallen in love
I’ve fallen in love for the first time
And this time I know it’s for real
I’ve fallen in love, yeah
God knows, God knows I’ve fallen in love

It’s strange but it’s true
I can’t get over the way you love me like you do
But I have to be sure
When I walk out that door
Oh how I want to be free, baby
Oh how I want to break free,
Oh how I want to break free

But life still goes on
I can’t get used to, living without, living without,
Living without you by my side
I don’t want to live alone, hey
God knows, got to make it on my own
So baby can’t you see
God knows, gods know, gods know
I’ve want to break free

BIGOTRY AND HATE SUCKS!

you suck c

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