Cmon Newt dont give them ideas. Next we will be subsidizing gun racks for volts.

50 billion dollars to bail out GM, record year 2011, hammered home as a success, GM paid ZERO INCOME TAX. ScmSKing union maggots pocket 7thousand dollar bonus… the partner in crime
GE, billions of shovelled dollars to post an 18 BILLION dollar profit (1 year) ZERO income tax. Thousands of jobs outsourced to CHINA. Someone should tell the jobs czar. wait he might now already since he is the CEO.
in the insult to injury department the 10thousand dollar subsidy on the volt, guess whos buying them? GE. So Tax dollars to make the car tax dollars to buy the car. wash rinse add 10thousand bux for every unit
insert lameass 1%er talking points, stir it up with fair share, add the comment about buffets secretary paying more taxes than two who the largest corporations on earth who have devoured almost 100billion dollars between them with more shoveling in every day.
Since she is a WHR for Obama she will prbably stand up and thank the mighty one for her 40dollars and free condoms.
Yup record year 2011, 2012 looks REAL GOOD TOO, I wonder how many Volts GE can buy in a year, here is the exact number ALL OF THEM.  socan anyone explain this to me? Lets make it multiple choice.
A- BushB- RacistC- CongressD- Osam bin LadenE- TsunamiF- TeabaggerG- Free Volts for OWS to sleep inG-Our country has been taken over by a ruthless mar xi st dictat or wannabe hell bent on crashing our economy and destroying our way of life?
Cmon help it make sense anyone

You can’t put an ICBM launch system in a Ford F350.  Why are we promoting such puny vehicles? 

Hahaha, verry funy Newt. Production of the Big cras didn’t do a lot of good to GM. After restructuring and building decent cars and yes fuel efficiency ones aswell, we all know the outcome (record profits).

 The bottom rung on the ladder of ignorance will never be reached.

Bolling better watch it, this might be interpreted as giving Obama Motors a compliment.

I’ll buy a Smart Car as soon as I see AlGore or Michael Moore or The Barry in one.

I thought Newt would have left by now. I guess the smell of money is still lingering in the air.

The only question is against the current GOP clown field (Newton, Saint Rick, Mittens and the crazy  old loon), will Obama even have to campaign?

That’ll never happen, Smart Car is German design made in France.

If you are going to cut and paste this over and over why not make sure its readable.

Can’t put a gun rack in a Volt….The stupid, it burns. The United States…. a nation of utter morons, cheered on by Fox News of course..

Now the current GOP candidates have to out crazy each other to defeat Frothy 

The Chevy Volt: Gets 50 mpg on gas and 535 mpg on Electric. There are also 30 other sedans that get an average of 40 mpg, almost twice what we once know as good gas mileage.

The Future is here. No longer do you have to worry about the price of gas.

And the warm reception?? Where do I put the deer I just shot or my gun rack??

GM’s best selling vehicle if the Silverado, a full size pickup that hasn’t changed much in years. In the small car market, Ford is crushing them.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2011/11/02/the-best-selling-cars-of-2011/

 You’ll see Moore eat one before you see him in one.

No self-respecting gun owner would purchase a Chevy Vomit…er….Volt anyway….so this is a non-story.
The V-car (a la the N-word) is the Ford Pinto of the decade. It should be equipped with a fire extinguisher and a label stating that it is highly inflammable and may explode when detonated with the ignition key.
If this is green energy….The V-car is a forest fire.

GM Unplugs from Business Realities with Chevy Volt Re-Launch

The Volt is a $40,000 version of the Chevy Cruze which costs roughly
$20,000. Aside from owning something trendy, why would the average
consumer pay $20,000 for an electric booster to a gasoline powered car?
The Volt, according to recent test by a TV host, goes 20 miles before
the battery is depleted and the gasoline engine kicks in. Not much of a
gasoline savings! The Cruze gets a combined MPG of about 33 while we can assume that the Volt gets 40. And, even if it is 50+, the economics
don’t make sense.

The average U.S. driver travels about 12,000 miles annually. The
difference in gasoline saved between the Volt and Cruze is about 64 to
100 gallons annually or a savings of $224 to $350. These numbers don’t
have to be exact to make the point. Even if the savings was $500
annually, it would take 40 years to recoup the price difference. Know
anyone who keeps a car that long? The average life of a car is about 13
years.

That warm reception is so warm that the average Volt buyer makes $175K. And the green? Not so green. Big carbon footprint. But if it helps you feel smug, feel free to buy one.

Snark over substance. Pretense over policy. That’s all that the Newt has left … as he desperately clings to his guns and gas-guzzlers.

What idiots.  Ignoring reality and relevant facts to mock the president. A great way to show you really care and want to help the country. 

Yes because all other sedans are used for hunting and hauling. Newt wouldn’t know a gun rack if you beat him over his fat head with it.

 but you cheer wildly when obama mocks anyone who disagrees w/him, right?

 sock/troll alert

 talking to yourself?

Now Obama is giving you $10,000 to buy the car no one wants.

Brings back an interview with an Obama supporter recently, questioned about his policies on the economy.

She said: “I don’t know, Obama’s givin’ me money. That’s all I know.”
- Marxism 101!
Except that’s OUR MONEY he’s giving her!

 I wonder why you don’t see any of Murph’s stats from the Media Matters/White House outlets?

What reality and relevant facts do you refer to?

facts over substance? you mean like the fair share thing?Also Im pretty sure newt knows how to shoot agun. You guys got a lot of answers but I cant get one on the auto bailout/widget factories.

50 billion dollars to bail out GM, record year 2011, hammered home as a success, GM paid ZERO INCOME TAX. ScmSKing union maggots pocket 7thousand dollar bonus… the partner in crime
GE, billions of shovelled dollars to post an 18 BILLION dollar profit (1 year) ZERO income tax. Thousands of jobs outsourced to CHINA. Someone should tell the jobs czar. wait he might now already since he is the CEO.
in the insult to injury department the 10thousand dollar subsidy on the volt, guess whos buying them? GE. So Tax dollars to make the car tax dollars to buy the car. wash rinse add 10thousand bux for every unit
insert lameass 1%er talking points, stir it up with fair share, add the comment about buffets secretary paying more taxes than two who the largest corporations on earth who have devoured almost 100billion dollars between them with more shoveling in every day.
Since she is a WHR for Obama she will prbably stand up and thank the mighty one for her 40dollars and free condoms.
Yup record year 2011, 2012 looks REAL GOOD TOO, I wonder how many Volts GE can buy in a year, here is the exact number ALL OF THEM.  socan anyone explain this to me? Lets make it multiple choice.
A- BushB- RacistC- CongressD- Osam bin LadenE- TsunamiF- TeabaggerG- Free Volts for OWS to sleep inG-Our country has been taken over by a ruthless mar xi st dictat or wannabe hell bent on crashing our economy and destroying our way of life?
Cmon help it make sense anyone

What a riveting , insightful conversation.  

Oh I disagree, this is a fine excuse to cut another fat check for GM, I bet it would only cost 2 or 3 billion dollars to develop a gun rack for a volt… Another couple billion for ge to retrofit their existing ones… Then some stimulus money to build recharging stations in the woods.

oops

It doesnt matter they are not meant to be driven they are just widgets, its just a way to keep the uaw working and gm/ge not paying taxes all while shoveling taxpayer money down a hole with no end. 100 billion and rising every day for widgets while the union bosses are lovin life.

I wonder if you can use the gun on the Newt moon base.

If I could get one answer I would quit posting it? Its an indefensble position so bad that even you guys the master of spin, lies, and smear cant even think up a response. not here. not msnbc. not fox nation. I answered every one of your flippin ignorant, racist, irrelevant questions for an hour utterly pwning you in the process on fox nation but you cant come up with anything here?  Can any of you?

pretense over policy, see above “obama saves gm”

Newt is wrong on this one.  From what I see, most men that drive Volts are, New Age, muffin-munchin’, dish-washin’, vegetable-eatin’, pink-shirt wearin’, tree huggin’, sensitive males cryin’ at chick flicks who wouldn’t know a 12 gauge from a 38 special anyway.  

 The Chevy Volt: Gets 50 mpg on gas and 535 mpg on Electric

“535 mpg on Electric”????
What, exactly, is a gallon of electric?

yes record profits. congrats GM maybe pay a dollar in taxes on that? Would that be too much to ask? Im not sure how hard itis to make a profit when the fed pay you to make cars, and pays ge to buy them, they had record pofits too and paid no taxes. in fact ge makes a profit for every volt the buy. So we have the factory  churning out volts all day long and being driven over to ge and parked, profit for everyone involved. no taxes. what hapens hen ge has enough volts, well they might have to send them back to gm to have another minor problem fixed. I bet I get to pay for that too, and I suspect gm and ge will make money on it also.

I guess they are not totally useless, once theyare finished foreclosing on everyone we can all sleep in a chevy volt.

Obama sucks. This “winner” that he picked will fail. No matter how many OWS/Soros/GE/ACORN/SEIU/Planned Parenthood people buy the car.

With an average salary of $170k. Democratic governing: Elites mandating how the non elites (serfs) live. It’s amazing there are so many lemmings who think that is a good way to govern instead of individual responsibility and opportunity.

It’s not hard to turn a profit when you have the government whack all of your creditors for you.

Can I borrow a bucket of lightning?

Ah, cool, an anti-detroit bailouter, but aren’t you embarrassed? Without that government subsidy, our private sector car industry, which is doing well now, would have substantially folded. Not to worry gloves, you have a candidate who speaks for you in Mitt Romney.

A gun rack – a trailer hitch.  Two things the R’s know alot about.

But what about most of us?  We don’t give a darn about those things.  We – as a country – need more fuel economic cars – that is a fact. 

And for God’s sake let us understand why gasoline is so expensive.  It is not this president that determines the price of gasoline – it is the oil companies and the speculators.

Change them and the way they do business – and we won’t be having this conversation every six months.

Sure . Hold this string..

Why cant he just tell them to give it to us free?

Your response is so lame its pitiful, you cowardly Obamabots  wont even come in the room cuz you are owned so hard on the GM bailout. We are gonna run with this all the way. You spoiled michigan for romneybut there are 56 other states

Or this, from nlpc.org

“Every once in a while I come across an article that sheds light on what a boondoggle the green initiatives of the Obama Administration are. The latest evidence comes as General Motors tries to prove high consumer demand for the Chevy Volt as it tries to meet its goal of 10,000 vehicles sold in 2011. The Orlando Sentinel reports that the town of DeLand, FL is buying five Chevy Volts.That is not the disturbing part of the story. The article reports that the town is using taxpayer money it has received from a $1.2 million federal grant that is earmarked partially to help with the purchase of alternative-fuel vehicles and other energy-efficient upgrades, including electrical charging stations at City Hall. From the information I gathered on DeLand, it has a population of about 25,000 people.
GM has recently stated that it has approved sales of an additional 2,300 Volts that were used as demos at dealerships. This supposedly brings supply up to about 4,100. As is usually the case at GM, the numbers don’t quite add up as over 3,000 Volts have been listed for sale on cars.com prior to the release of the demos, ”

The majority of the American car industry was not bailed out, and those that weren’t would have gained market share had there been no bailouts.

I LOVE the hypocrisy of the Lefties! If you drive around the areas where the Democrat “elite” spend their vacation time- Aspen, Jackson Hole, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, etc.- you will notice that all of the license plates from CA, NY, PA, NJ, CT are on BIG, HONKING SUVs- Suburbans, Tahoes, Sequoias, Lexus 570s and 460s, Escalades, etc., mostly 4WD, which are even less fuel efficient than a 2WD. 

Elite Lefties own SUVs and they USE them- they just don’t want you to know it- and they preach that the “peasants” should buy Volts, so they don’t have to!

Funny, Iran cuts off exports to France and the UK in retaliation for sanctions against them.
Driving up the price of oil globally. And  according to J.P. Morgan, “Building economic momentum has the potential to pull oil prices higher for the next 12 to 24 months,” So of course the republicans seek to blame it all on Obama.
 
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0220/Oil-prices-soar-as-Iran-cuts-off-supply

One of the best fuel source we have is Natural Gas.

CONGRESS continues to block the progression of using this fuel. We
currently have systems that can be added to OLDER vehicles that will
allow the engine to run cleaner and pollute less.

NOT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD A VOLT, PRIUS ETC.

Any vehicle can be converted over to CNG for less than $2000.00 plus
installation fees. And can be done by a mechanically inclined person. I
am doing one of my cars now. The conversion WILL ALLOW you to use CNG
and Gasoline / Diesel. Once installed you can switch by a button on your
dash.

PLUS…. If you have Natural Gas, you vehicle could be filled overnight
IF you were so purchase a compression device (legal in some states) you
would pay around $1.00 a gallon. Many gas stations can be adapted over
and add a unit in less than a month. A conversion on your car can be
done in less than a day.

I filled up with gas yesterday at $4.26 per gallon. A CNG station has
fuel for less than $2.00. (I am in Southern CA)  Things are tough. I am
disabled and living on less than $2K per month.

Also, Many countries, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil to name a few, have
been using CNG for public use for years with no problems. Most current
public vehicles are using CNG.

Man, the point is the English language has rules. Rules of grammar, punctuation, spelling, etc. Even rules of CAPITALIZATION. This makes is possible for us to understand each other. All you’re “pwning” are the ravings of a lunatic.

This entire green racket is a fiction. The greens are duped by obama, it is all about the labor unions. Every economic plan he has is designed to fail and crash the economy. See above. For another widget  factory, I present to you Obamacare. Think this is about healthcare? Its just a great way to make money disappear through massive beauracracy and regulation. They say Bush spent money, sure but at least he bought stuff. Obama spends and spends and spends, but just makes it disappear. I also give you Solyndra, he was spending on both ends there too, paying solyndra to make solar panels paying their customers to buy them at the same time. Just more communist widgets. Green energy and healthcare, to great ways to destroy massive amounts of wealth. For the amount of money he wasted on pokulus handouts to unions he could have actually bought greece 5 times. and it all went straight to union bosses pockets. They say Mitt has money the caymans, Obama has money somewhere too, but I bet it isnt Dollars, maybe japanese Yen. At least Mitts money was earned, instead of stolen.

It doesnt fit on all pages.

You can clean it up. 

It is also too small to get a decent blowjob in the back seat, but I digress.

Anyone but Mitt Romney.

Romney is a weirdo

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100138018/mitt-romney-suffers-from-the-weirdo-factor/

 Actually, you can fit a gun rack on a Volt. 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/sorry-newt-you-can-put-a-gun-rack-in-a-chevy-volt

 Let’s stop all subsidizing of everything. No more money from the cities to build a new Walmart, and have property taxes abated for 10-20 years. For only 5 full time jobs. When Walmart will put at least 30 full time grocery workers as well as 30 full time jobs per department store out on the unemployment line.

No more State money to keep a company in their state. Florida is guilty of this one…Even when it’s Gov Scott that said he wouldn’t take federal money to help with jobs. He turns around and cuts education and then gives money to keep jobs in the state.

Yes, I know we are subsidizing the Volt. We are paying for the battery company/arm for them so their jobs are kept in America. We are also subsidizing the workers that are putting the car together to keep their jobs in America. But we as a nation do subsidize a whole lot…If we are going to stop subsidizing jobs. Let’s stop guaranteeing farmers $500,000 a year (for a couple), this is on top of not paying some farmers to not grow any crops that year.

So, let’s end all this money to these red states first. You know the ones that are basically on the dole.
Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, No more sweet deals for those that pay a small fee to have their herd eat off the public owned land for pennies on the dollar, the other Red Western States.

I find it very strange that as a nation we hate Cuba. Why is it that there is one section of our economy that is allowed to sell stuff to them? Again it’s farmers with their Corn and Wheat crops. Why are we doing this. When we could have lower prices on Bread and Cereal and all the other items made with these grains. Why don’t we go ahead and normalize relations with them?

Let’s close the tax loopholes on Corporations and the Wealthy so we can get back to where we should be..Let’s have the GOP take an oath that they are Americans first and not Grover Norquist’s lackeys.
If they continue to follow his dictates then I say as a nation we stop paying them an annual salary, cut their health benefits, and all the other perks that they get as US Congressmen/women since they don’t serve the US first. {GOP/TP- Party First, Americans last}

Let’s stop allowing ALEC (Koch Brothers) to draw up State & Federal Legislation that is then given to the GOP/TP so they can put it out on the table as if they wrote the laws, etc. Let’s start having all legislators take an oath that as Americans they will do the work, and write their own legislation.

What part of America is not tied up with any of the above? Not much. You have the fruit growers that have to be picked by hand, If I remember they don’t get guaranteed salary’s as farmers. There aren’t that many jobs that don’t get so type of hand out from Local, State or Federal monies, except for the old time businesses and company’s.

Let’s stop subsidizing ADM. Let’s end the subsidies that they get to make High Fructose Corn Syrup. For every $1 in earnings they make from this they have received $10 from the American taxpayer. Let’s stop their subsidies for making Ethanol…from this every $1 they earn we the taxpayer have given them $30. {If I made a mistake it’s only that the numbers are in the wrong place}

I’m sure that you’ve heard that 47% of Americans pay no tax. I’m also fairly sure that you don’t know that 40% of Americans making over $250k pay no taxes. *Subscribe to Newsmax they have ads regarding this at least weekly. So that leaves the poorest Americans the “7%” that pay no taxes. That figure is where it should be. But let’s also allow the EIC to go back to subsidizing the lower class. Right now the average American that is receiving “Federal” help aren’t the poor, it’s the middle class those married couples making less than $75,000 or $50,000 for single taxpayers.

Let’s instead use that money for things that need done. Rebuild/Retrofit our bridges, are we reading for another I-35 bridge collapse? What will it take before the GOP gets behind this? Have someone in their family crossing one of these bridges when it collapses, before they get their heads out of their asses. Let’s fix the antiquated Water systems in the old colonial states. Let’s do one thing for Atlanta, Georgia let’s build them a Reservoir. They get 40 inches of rain a year and it all runs off into rivers, and they bitch about not having enough water. Yes, I know they should do this for themselves but…we’ve built reservoirs for so many other places why not them. Let’s rebuild our roads, in many places it would be cost effective. All someone needs to do is pay $100 to have their tires aligned, and then drive on some of our roads..The pothole’s, etc. Go over a few of them and you’ve just wasted $100. Why not go ahead and fix the roads so we can keep our cars from needing repairs because of this. Let’s build great mass transit systems around the country. Several years ago when Bush was still President and the economy tanked. One city that did have a transit system that was used mainly for people to get to and from work….that city decided to end all funding for that transit system. Putting most people out of a job.

Let’s build high speed rail systems between some of the major city’s in states. Of course city’s along this corridor would need transit systems to take them places within the cities that they arrive in.

• San Diego, Camp Pendleton, Los Angeles, San Jose, Sacramento. (They do have a connection with rail service in place for those going to San Francisco from San Jose)
•29 Palms, San Bernadino, Los Angeles
•Nogales,Tuscon, Phoenix, Flagstaff
•Salem, Oregon-Portland, Seattle-Tacoma-Bremerton
•Provo, Salt Lake City, Ogden
•Pueblo*, Denver, Golden               Pueblo major federal facility
•Tulsa-Oklahoma City
•Kansas City, Lawrence (UK). Manhattan (KSU).
•Mobile, Montgomery, Birmingham, Huntsville
•New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Shreveport
•Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, Bristol
•Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland*     Strangely the GOP Governor stopped this..jobs lost
And many others. Some states would have to designate their own main cities. Since they are in such disparate areas I couldn’t figure out which one’s they might like best. In some places it would be high speed rail to other states-Dakota’s, Montana-Idaho, etc.

Let’s rebuild our School buildings. What is it going to take the ceiling falling on Second graders before something is done.

So yes, Romney/Pablo 2012. Neil can be your secretary of state.

…But you guys better change your underwear, quick.

Oops……But you guys better change your underwear, quick.     

 To travel 12,000 miles a year…going to work would mean the average worker has a round trip of 50 miles per day. Sorry, I don’t know anyplace outside of the Silicon Valley that has trips this far. I know my father drove 12 miles round trip to work, my mother 1 mile round trip.

No, your other sock puppet, Gloves, does that.

If Obama had said what Newt said, I could see conservative pundits attacking Obama for saying that rednecks cling to their guns & trailers.

And they laugh at the rest of us while we’re complaining about gas prices.

Have to admit Newt has the best quotes.  Too bad he has a boat-full of baggage.

No one is demanding that everyone drive a Volt. All people are saying is that cars should be more fuel efficient & less pollutant. I don’t see how this is a bad thing. The government is not going to force you or anyone to drive a Volt if that’s what you’re getting at.

 Yes, Norbit…Let’s go back to the Bush years. Where someone could by a SUV that got 10 MPG and could write the FULL price off their taxes. I would much rather give $10K to someone instead of $100K and that new car will save 10 times as much gas.

Which idiot said you couldn’t put a gun rack in a Chevy Volt?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zK0ieX9mHr4 

I beg to differ.

What does Newt know about gun-racks ?

Bolling “…GM , just get that battery better…..”

Too bad there no one’s calling for subsidies for companies trying to develop this very thing, you know,  like we do for oil and gas industry exploration.

Oh – right Obama is….

Idiots.

 Christ, you had to pull out the conspiracy thesaurus for that stretch of a statement.

 That’s not Marxism, Norbit.

Marxism frowns on democratic socialist practices like welfare, largely because they help perpetuate capitalistic exploitation of the working class.

co-worker’s step-mother earned $16259 a week ago. she is making money on the internet and moved in a $381800 home. All she did was get fortunate and put into work the guide laid out on this web site……http://alturl.com/zyxvo

Newt is pandering again.
He’s becoming like Donald Trump: a blowhard who won’t go away. 

GRRRRRRRR FROTH NO LIKE CARS WITHOUT GUNRACKS AND TRAILERS!!!! MAKES FROTH VERY ANGRY!!!!!! >:(

FROTH NO LIKE DONALD. FROTH AGREE TO GO TO DONALD’S STUPID DEBATE. WHY DONALD GOT PROBLEM WITH FROTH?

MITT MEANS “MORMON MORON” IN FROTH’S HOUSEHOLD.

Thank you. Now we all know there are no conservatives at all in CA, NY, PA, NJ, and CT.

Thanks for the verification!

FROTH LIKE GUN AND TRAILER. GIVES FROTH INNER PEACE WHEN READING BIBLE.

VOLT DRIVERS MAKE FROTH VERY ANGRY!!!!! >:(

OBAMA GIVE $10000 TO BUY CAR? FROTH NEEDS NEW CAR AND $10000. FROTH COULD BUY SWEATER VESTS WITH $10000 AND SAVINGS FROM GAS. FROTH LIKE DEAL. MARX GOOD CAR SALESMAN.

FROTH LIKE GAS GUNS AND TRAILER! VOLT MAKES FROTH VERY ANGRY!!!! >:(

SAINT FROTH

WOULD RATHER BUY VOLT THAN VOTE NEWT.

The old gas guzzlers are gone. You don’t have to buy a Volt. You can buy a hybrid from any car maker you choose and still get 50% off your normal gass mileage.

Obama won.

Rooting against America lost.

The car needs gas to turn on the eletric generator. Why don’t you know this? Are you living under a rock?

Just like the new trains can run 700 miles per gallon of gas.

Gas is so 2010. Welcome to a world that is les dependent, not just on foreign oil, but on oil in general.

You are one dumb cookie. So buy a Chevy Cruz and don’t buy a Volt. The point is that instead of getting 15 mpg your getting 42 or higher mpg. Which means you save 64% in gas prices. Which means that if gas is $4 a gallon, you pay $1.44 per gallon.

Which means Obama is the shiznut son!

 Just a slight correction, I believe you mean diesel.

 Christ, you say that about everyone.

PLEASE LINK US TO THE MANDATE

 …and how many on a gallon of electric?

 …and how many on a gallon of electric?

 Why would you want to?
Only you and your liberal friends will be imprisoned there.

 I could fit a Volt on MY gun rack
Remember that.

Now she can afford to allow her  32 year old liberal son-in-law’s butt to remain  living  in her home.

Very good, there are a number of us…LOL…more than they realize, on?

Your first sentence is a statement, no need for the question mark.  Now, if you edited it and moved the “I” after the “would” you’d be okay.  Also, if you used punctuation I wouldn’t have to read it out loud to try and make sense of it.  Makes me think of that Canadian study that concluded Conservatives are less educated and more religious/racist than liberals.  Moving on….

I’m pretty sure they’re are millions of city folk (cities, where the GNP mostly comes from, where most people live) that could give a rat’s ass if you can put a gun rack in a compact.

Guess all the taxpayers that didn’t lose their jobs don’t register.

I could drink to that. Thanks for taking the time to frame things in a coherent manner.

Half the battle to moving towards sustaining energy habits is changing the culture.  Much like the first cell phones which were bulky, had weak batteries and were ridiculed by many who of course use them now, electric cars are in their infancy.  Still, if we are going to subsidize anything, this seems like a noble cause.  My guess is that the majority of the opponents to this initiative live in rural US, where the technology doesn`t seem practical.  Of course they don`t speak for the majority, nor the millions who drive less than ten miles to work, but they sure act like they do!

I suppose a tax break to refit your home and make it more efficient, thus saving you thousands of dollars and easing the burden of energy supply, and by default polluting less, is a bad idea too?

Wow, you really take broad generalizations and jumping to conclusions to “a whole other level.” :)

Whoa, look at Mr. Sedan-sized Gun Rack!  I guess you’re implying that you have a lot of guns.  

Frankly, I really don’t care.

 The inventor of electric gallons calls someone else a dumb cookie
Astonishingly ironic

 Exactly! Instead of encouraging people to drive more fuel efficient cars the huge tax breaks went to the gas guzzlers.

Trains run on Diesel, not gas, moron. Gas will destroy a Diesel engine. I am surprised this got a like.

CSX also only claims 423 miles.

CSX ad claims “trains can move a ton of freight 423 miles on a single gallon of fuel.”  The 423 is calculated by dividing the total tons hauled by a single freight train by the total gallons of fuel used, thus getting 423 ton-miles per gallon of fuel. Stated another way, one gallon of fuel moved one ton 423 miles.

For a simplified comparison:
I want to move 400 tons (800,000 lbs) of freight 423 miles. A truck hauling 80,000 lbs gets about 5 miles to the gallon. To move that 400 tons, I need 10 trucks. So to move these items .5 miles for every gallon consumed, traveling the distance of 423 miles, I need to us 846 gallons of diesel fuel. Or I can load it onto a train and it will take 400 gallons.  (Some of the newer trucks get 6 mpg so the total gallons would be 705)

Don’t forget, the freight has to go by truck to get to the train, and after the train gets to its destination, the freight has to be unloaded and put on trucks to get to its various destinations.

Counter arguement with indisputable facts:

The 423 is calculated by dividing the total tons hauled by a single freight train by the total gallons of fuel used. So, on a per mile, per ton basis, the amount of fuel needed is extremely low. In fact, it is so low that trains are between three and four times more fuel efficient than trucks. So, even though it takes more than one gallon of fuel to power a train for 423 miles, the train actually uses less fuel than the more than 280 trucks it would take to haul the same amount of freight.

The 423 is calculated by dividing the total tons hauled by a single freight train by the total gallons of fuel used. So, on a per mile, per ton basis, the amount of fuel needed is extremely low. In fact, it is so low that trains are between three and four times more fuel efficient than trucks. So, even though it takes more than one gallon of fuel to power a train for 423 miles, the train actually uses less fuel than the more than 280 trucks it would take to haul the same amount of freight.

Say it with me, cmon I know you want to: “I hate America”. There, feel better now that you’ve got that off your chest.

Okay next step. Go on expedia and book a ticket to China. This beautiful communist nation will be proud to have you so you can root against America with all your poor communist friends.

Oh Newt, thanks for giving me yet another reason not to vote for you. Between your blatant disregard for the environment, seemingly complete lack of economic knowledge and religious hypocrisy, I’m having a hard time understanding how anyone could consider you as their nominee.

 Newt starts with a insider red neck joke. Nice!

You will not strengthen your ridiculous argument by making up outrageous assumptions. The average train does not and would not carry 280 truckloads of freight, and the measure is in tonmiles per gallon. While my figures use only 5 mpg most of the newer engines from Detroit get over 6 and up to 7.5 mpg. And, you still have to consider that the freight must get to and from the train by trucks, so the comparison is marred to begin with. Adding to that the additional amount of time and cost it takes to go trucks – train – trucks instead of trucks only makes it not such a good deal. There are only some things that fit with that mode. Team drivers (speaking trucking now) make a cross country trip much quicker than the situation of trucking to a train, transferring cargo, train transport, transferring cargo again to trucks for final destination. When you also take advantage of hauling doubles and triples, there is another advantage to trucking over rail.

If you have ever been around a freight yard and watched the choreography that goes on just transferring a truck load to a rail car, moving the train to position it with a different rail car that is several cars away to transfer another trucks freight, get that truck out of the yard to let another get into position to transfer freight …. LMFAO it would take almost a month to make the transfers from truck to train, and the same at the other end to do the opposite! How many companies want their freight in transit for a couple months? LMAO It is suitable for only select types of freight – the minority of it, which is why it isn’t used more often.

Wrong, the commercial clearly state that a CSX train ca move on TON of freight 423 miles on on gallon of fuel. Not the 700 that you claimed.

I already responded to you with facts in another posts. Get a life, or a hybrid. Either one.

If you want to dispute those facts, by all means, take your digital camera out to a CSX train with a ruler and see how many trucks it takes to carry their load. Please post your scientific study on Youtube for us to review so we may then determine that what you have concluded was fact.

Facts, you have given no facts what so ever, only supposition on your part.

Why do you need a ruler to count trucks?

You have yet to respond with facts. The numbers will not work out for “nearly 50% with any source of Revenue for the Federal Government, but you keep trying to get people to buy your lie.

I am not going to waste time with you and your ignorant nonsense. I know what I am talking about – part of my family is in the business and I have been around the freight yards long enough to know what happens first hand… especially the CSX yard in Worcester where it can sometimes take a whole day before something is moved from one rail car to a waiting truck. Find something to write about that you know something about.

I laughed so hard I almost wet my pants when I saw her write about using a ruler, and calling her nonsense “facts” … LMFAO. I am printing out her comments to show the guys next time I go up to the yard. She has obviously never seen an intermodal operation and hasn’t the faintest idea what is involved. Maybe she expects to measure the rail frames or chassis, or maybe thinks you can measure the containers or trucks and determine how many will go on the train? LMAO It doesn’t work that way. Too funny. I really don’t want to waste any more time with it, but will follow the comments to print them out – I know the guys will get a good laugh out of them.

The CSX Claim is true. Trains move 1 ton an average of 400 to 450 miles on 1 gallon of diesel fuel. Their exact claim is 430, but more advanced trains get up to 450.

FACTS AND RESOURCES:

The US Transportation Energy book states the following figures for Freight transportation:

Train = 341 BTU per short ton mile and an average of
400 to 450 ton-miles for rail

Heavy Trucks = 3,357 BTU per short ton mile and an average of
130 ton-mile per gallon to 275 ton-mile/gallon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_efficiency_in_transportation

I’m pretty sure it was you that I was speaking to when we broke these numbers down before. Why do I have to yet, do it again for the same person. That’s pretty lame

My .gov Facts were submitted in another post. READ

“the guys”?

You creepy creeps in the stalking clique are freaking strange

If only you could take your own advice, we could finally limit you to “I love Glenn” and have a little peace around these parts

BTUs for an unidentified heavy truck of unknown engine type and unknown mpg of 2004 is inappropriate when we are talking about todays tractor engines and the GALLONS (not BTU) pulling what size trailers? 48s? 52? pups? hi-cubes? sea cans? You don’t even know what you are talking about, and really, you are trying to use wikipedia as a source? Stop trying to write about something you know nothing about. Maybe you can tell us about your knowledge of being a lot lizzard instead.

That is what I call the guys up at the freight yard. What would you expect me to call them – the folks? the freight yard workers? the CSX employees? load jockies?

What’s freaking strange is you. Stalking clique? LMAO what is that? How am I a stalker since you followed me? hmmm makes you the stalker then doesn’t it.

What’s the matter little stalker, are you getting bored? You feel a need to stalk me for your lack of having a life now? Save your lame insults and nonsense talk for one of your idiot friends where it means something.

Little Stalker with a big mouth, and a little….. :-)

Load of S**T Jockies, or they drop a load of s**t….Sorry

hehehehe, it is my birthday…I have all the excuses in the world…whereas Stalker has none…he’s naturally stupid… LOL

Don’t make him cry now…

When did you start celebrating? …LOL… you are going to have to get busy next summer making some more of that blueberry wine if you keep it up! (bottoms up hehehehee)… LMAO

Happy Birthday, SISTA!

Still having an issue getting to 50% though aren’t you?

And I am pretty sure that there is no way to even use new math to get 40% of the Revenue to “nearly 50%” like you claimed.

So if CSX is right with 423, then that means you are wrong with 700 right?

It’s blackberry wine, and Budweiser hehehehehe

hoowee

It sucks to be him…small mind ,even smaller d**K hahahahah

LMAO

That sounds like a terrible combo

I’m alternating the food groups, hehehee.

Still? LMAO

Have to have my fruit…hahahahha

Sandie, you get any of this wind? It’s about 45+ mph.

Ya, real strong – tree limbs all over the place – thought there wouldn’t be any more weak ones left after the crazy Oct snow storm brought so much down.

OP check this out for the DNC…
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=347679191943397&set=o.249469905097559&type=1&theater

I don’t think the USDA wants those portions fermented when consumed.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

ROLFLMAO…Hell, I can still spell….LOL

Still says, either I’m unauthorized, or expired. It’s Facebook, I don’t have that.

Well there went the maple tree, upwards of 55mph or more.

Did you get the image when I emailed to you?

The one with all the different pictures?

Got calmer here – hopefully over. Time to hit the sack
Nite.

Took out have the wood pile too.

Me too, See Ya SISTA

The one about the DNC -

I’ll look, be back in a second, Sista.

ROLFFLMAO….HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH HAHAHAHHHHHAHHAHAHHAHA

HELL YA, SISTA! Smiling OMG

700 mpg is also correct and refers to Seimens High Speed Rail, currently 160 in operation.

http://www.investmentu.com/2010/June/siemens-high-speed-rail.html

Okay, if you’ll keep hounding me, even though we already had this bigoted conversation previously, I’ll prove to you unequivicably that Rick Santorum and the people who use Michelle Bachman’s bigoted quote “50% of the population pay no taxes”

First, let’s go over the definition of bigot, as this is where this argument began, with a bigoted statement by an intolerant and ignorant politician that has been thoroughly rejected by the American people.

BIGOT
a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

THE BIGOTED REPUBLICANS:

When Texas Gov. Rick Perry declared his candidacy earlier ‘this month’, he said he is “dismayed at the injustice that nearly half of all Americans don’t even pay income tax.” In Iowa, he said, “Let everybody, as many people as possible… [help] pay for the government we have in this country.” Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said in mid-August in Nashua, N.H., “We want to make sure people do pay their fair share. Half the people in this country pay no income tax at all.” Michele Bachmann said in July, “We need to broaden the (tax) base so that everybody pays something, even if it’s a dollar,”

THE BIGOTED LIES TOLD

Republicans said as I quoted above: 50% of the population don’t pay taxes, or income taxes”

THE TRUTH:

“It’s wrong to rail on the 46 percent of people who don’t pay income tax,” said Paul Caron, a tax professor at the University of Cincinnati College of Law. “A fairer analysis takes into account all taxes paid—and by this measure, everyone has tax skin in the game,” he said.

THE INDISPUTABLE TRUTH AND INDISPUTABLE FACTS

The Tax Policy Center’s estimate means that some 76 million households won’t pay federal income tax in 2011. But they still owe other taxes. About two-thirds pay payroll taxes, and most pay state and local income and sales taxes as well as excise taxes on gas, tobacco, cigarettes and alcohol. Of the one third who don’t pay payroll taxes, more than half are elderly who no longer work, and just under half are families with incomes under $20,000. Only about 1 percent of the population pays neither income nor payroll taxes and earns more than $20,000 a year, according to the Tax Policy Center.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-08-31/home/30073202_1_income-tax-federal-income-state-and-local-income#ixzz1najWOXZ3

SO PLEASE REPUBLICANS WHO RAIL ON THIS LIE OF A TAX ISSUE:

Wake up every morning and call yourselves what you truly are: BIGOTS

Breakdown of Federal Tax Revenue
40% Payroll Taxes
42% Income Taxes
9% Corporate Income Taxes
6% Other
3% Excise Taxes
________________
Total Taxes paid by Middle and Lower Class
40% Payroll Taxes
6% Other
3% Excise Taxes
=
49% Total Taxes

TOTAL FEDERAL REVENUE for 2011: 2,303,466 Million

Total Tax Revenue by people who don’t pay income tax or corporate tax:
1,128,698.34

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/numbers/revenue.cfm

I wonder who you are fighting against on this issue. Don’t you know that there is a report that comes out every year comparing the fuel efficiency of various modes of transportion including Air, Truck, and Rail.

You are trying to dispute indisputable facts presented in a annual report by the industry itself.

2+2=4 regardless of whether you want it to be or not.

You dont know what your talking about and you can’t look a dead horse in the mouth and say it’s alive either. The annual report from the industry clearly shows that Rail has higher mpg and would be like taking hundreds of trucks of the road.

Just get over it already, you’re embarrasing yourself ignoring actual facts.

I follow you just like scheller-kins follows people. It’s a free country. Maybe you can go to TFC mail and tell everyone how much of an albatross little toddy is. Or, you could just learn that when you lie down with prison hacks you get fleas

Thank you for proving that 40% is not “nearly 50%” moron. For your premise to be true the poor would have to pay all of those taxes, and they do not. The rich pay a vast majority of Excise taxes, most poor people do no drive new cars, they buy used cars, that do not get an excise tax charged to them.

Other taxes includes duties, the rich pay a vast majority of those as well.

Keep trying and proving how much of an idiot you are.

(CAR),
I have never doubted that those people claimed that poor people pay no INCOME tax.

CSX operates 1200 trains a day, compared to your 160. Though keep trying.

I know, and we all know, that mile for mile trains get better tonmiles/gal than trucks – I am not disputing that. I disputed the other material you presented as if it was fact because it was a misrepresentation and by leaving out other pertinent info you painted a very slanted picture. Get over it. I am not going to continue discussing your issue as I have made my point. It is up to you to comprehend it.

I was never debating that trains get better tonmiles/gal. The rest of the claim is misleading. You are ignoring the other factors that come into play that reveal that the claim is not as vast as they make it out to be, all things considered. You apparently missed my point. I am not embarrassing myself at all but you show a bit of an obsession with this issue.

I don’t give a crap what you do or who you follow.

Thanks, sugar. Not very Christian to not care about one’s fellows. Love thy enemy, Sandie

I never said I don’t care about my “fellows” , I said I don’t care what you do or who you follow…. I am referring to what you said – in context of these forums. Don’t try to rewrite it.

Yeah, you don’t favor that sort of thing at all. I mean, you slander people, help schller-kins do the same, and give aid and support to a stalking army which “re-writes” comments all over the internet,

but, “hey, don’t let someone do that to me!” says the sandie.

Methinks you look at the mote in your eye before concerning yourself with the speck in mine. You don’t care about me, sandie….Jesus weeps at your failure to be a real Christian

How do we slander people again? Slander requires that the comments we make be false. You are an idiot, is not false when applied to you.

Go back to reading Spot books, because you have issues here.

I don’t slander anyone – I leave that to others who use that tactic. Truth does not equate to slander.
“…give aid and support to a stalking army which “re-writes” comments all over the internet,” … LMAO you are talking smack. You are right – I don’t care about you – why should I? If you are so concerned with what “JESUS weeps” at then focus on yourself and your own behavior rather than others. I am sure you don’t give a crap about me. That’s fine by me.

well, hon, I’m not the religious one; you are. Secondly, you “liked” several comments from internet a$$hole todd scheller, who spend the majority of his free time screaming insults at people who don’t want to talk to him. Care to explain why that’s a good Christian plan? Seems to me, you should argue moderation to his cracked mind and pull him back from stalking half the disqus commenters on the internet….

Ah, the least Christian person in the conversation arrives to judge and throw insults….just like Jesus would

Who’s “we,” schller. Are you in a gang or something? I notice you’re pretty much alone lately. The other gents and ladies aren’t exactly excited over your tactics any longer.

You slander people by calling them liars when they disagree with you. A lie requires pre-determination and intent to deceive. Neither of which is necessarily present when someone disagrees with scheller and his “we.”

Your assumption that I am religious is erroneous which shows that your judgement or ability to discern things is somewhat lacking. You have attempted to make a judgement about me with nothing upon which to base that judgement, and therefore you end up with a faulty conclusion.
I am neither interested nor concerned in what you think of Todd’s post, or mine.

No, I am superior to you. It’s why I did it.

Poor sandie, pretends to be non-religious on the internet. Will you deny three times before the morning, Sandie? What would Glenn say?

You would like to think so but I know why you did it, as I explained. That’s OK though, you think whatever makes you happy. Feed you ego and your delusions.

We= More than one person moron.” “…you slander people, help schller-kins do the same…” You were talking about more than one person slandering people, thus we you idiot.

She did not even use the word fellow you moron.

And, you didn’t the word “alliteration.” Are we just naming words not in other peoples’ comments?

Who is we, scheller. I’ve a member of tfc for weeks and have yet to see you post anything

The fact that you do not know who I am is your problem.

That is exactly your tactic. Not mine.

then why does “fellow” appear?

 Oh come on now timb116, who are you trying to fool? If you were on TFC for more than a day before you got booted out were lucky…. Belisarius…

Timma! …. LMAO

It does appear but not until your comment moron.

Sandie

I don’t give a crap what you do or who you follow.

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Thanks, sugar. Not very Christian to not care about one’s fellows. Love thy enemy, Sandie

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ToddScheller

Go back to reading Spot books, because you have issues here.

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schellers_a_stalker

Ah, the least Christian person in the conversation arrives to judge and throw insults….just like Jesus would

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She did not even use the word fellow you moron.

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And, you didn’t the word “alliteration.” Are we just naming words not in other peoples’ comments?

Sandie clearly used the word FOLLOW not FELLOW.

I’ve made it pretty clear that I am not this timb116. Obviously, given the level of thought policing that goes on at thefriendcenter.com and how it is troll center, I don’t post. After you mentioned tfc mail, it didn’t take long to find it and to discover there is no todd scheller on tfc, meaning he’s a damn liar.

Don’t worry, Sandie, there’s still a place you can can go on the internet where barb can pick a sexy stripper avatar and thank you for Christmas wishes.

You are a moron…

You have made it pretty clear that you are a dimwit. There is no thought policing at TFC, they do not have to allow just anyone there. Todd is there, but you aren’t smart enough to figure out who he is. That makes you damned stupid, but it does not make Todd a liar. As a matter of fact, you have been caught in a lie many times and when you get called out on it you do what most librats do and scream about it. You have never once defended yourself or put up a credible argument to refute it, in fact you admit you are a stalker troll in your choice of screen name.

You are simply an ignorant on a mission of ignorance.

Who happens to lie about who he is.

Oh, you are so stupid, I am on The Friend Center, you are just too stupid to know who I am on there.

Indeed, this one is as bad a Vicky with an IQ of 2 who puts his faith in spell check…

We am Todd…

Right….you lie there and tell the truth here. Sure, “todd.” I mean Ryan or Curly Joe or whomever the hell you are.

You are absolutely clueless…

Why can you not figure out who I am there, it really is not that hard? I happen to be neither of those though. Keep trying to display your ignorance.

Dang it I thought it was my turn to be Todd.

You can call yourself whatever you want to call yourself, put on the Quannah sock if you like. You didn’t post because you didn’t want to out yourself. Funny thing is - you were detected and kicked out, now banned from there. You are right – there is no “todd scheller” on TFC because he doesn’t use that name there. Many people from here do not use the same names there as they do here.

Can I use the Patrol Sock?

There seems to be a special on them today

Going two for one, and they are throwing in a free Glass Belly Button to boot.

Glass Belly Buttons for sale… Get em’ while they last… Glass Belly Buttons… Get em’ while they last…

You can use any sock you want – pick a sock, any sock

You have no idea how tempting it is…

Two for one… Morons, get em while their hot…