If Keith were still alive, he’d be touched by Shuster’s defense of him.

Great to see David Shuster back on television!!!

Matt, buddy, I’m disappointed in this piece. It seemed very slanted to the favor of Shuster.

David who?

mcf1757 said:
Great to see David Shuster back on television!!!

Yeah sure!
Really is good to see ‘ole Dave is
back.
Hasn’t HE been missed????

The shock treatments must not have worked. Shuster needs to be readmitted.

David Shuster was replaced by Mr. ED the Talking Horses ASS!
How would you like to have THAT on your Resume???

Matt you had a pretty good head line going if you only used this first 5 words, put Schusters name in front and added the word “has”.

It would have read

David Shuster has No Journalistic Standards

Oh and apparently Shuster has journalistic standards? HA! How is he going to go on CNN and tell the same people WHO AREN’T JOURNALISTS that they do not follow any journalistic standards? No shit Sherlock, they aren’t journalists! They are called commentators, as is you and every program after 4PM ET on MSNBC.

“Shuster’s fearless critique of fellow cable newsers surely reminds his fans why they liked him”

And it reminds everyone else (the overwhelming majority of Americans) why Shyster got shit-canned from Fox and MessNBC.

I am a little surprised CNN wants to hitch their wagon to this yutz. Oh wait a minute, what am I saying, these are the minds that brought us Parker/Spitzer.

A better way to say it may have been “O’Reilly has no journalistic integrity while Beck and Hannity have no journalistic experience.”

David Shuster repeatedly – rudely interrupting the other guests at least four times – tried to steer the conversation away from Keith Olbermann and his journalism by citing the standards, or lack thereof, of some on Fox News.

That’s not an argument; that’s tu quoque, the logical fallacy of trying to respond to a point by pointing elsewhere or to others.

He did so, of course, because he couldn’t argue against the substance of David Zurawik’s points about the character assassination that Olbermann regularly engaged in.

It won’t work Mr. Shuster. Maybe here (see above). But not elsewhere.

More imporant, neither Beck or Hannity call themselves journalists. Or news anchors. They’re commentators who give their opinions on opinion shows (and my view is that they’re both awful; but that’s another argument).

Mr. Olbermann called himself a “news anchor” and was used to anchor the news desk of MSNBC during the election.

Which is a greater violation?: violations done by those who don’t call themselves news anchors? Or violations committed by the person who calls himself a news journalist?

SteveMG said:
David Shuster repeatedly – rudely interrupting the other guests at least four times – tried to steer the conversation away from Keith Olbermann and his journalism by citing the standards, or lack thereof, of some on Fox News. That’s not an argument; that’s tu quoque, the logical fallacy of trying to respond to a point by pointing elsewhere or to others. He did so, of course, because he couldn’t argue against the substance of David Zurawik’s points about the character assassination that Olbermann regularly engaged in. It won’t work Mr. Shuster. Maybe here (see above). But not elsewhere. More imporant, neither Beck or Hannity call themselves journalists. Or news anchors. They’re commentators who give their opinions on opinion shows (and my view is that they’re both awful; but that’s another argument). Mr. Olbermann called himself a “news anchor” and was used to anchor the news desk of MSNBC during the election. Which is a greater violation?: violations done by those who don’t call themselves news anchors? Or violations committed by the person who calls himself a news journalist?

You have made a thoughtful post.

When it comes to both O’Hannity and O’Lbermann, I agree with you.

I believe O’Beckerhead is a more complex matter. It certainly hold himself out to be authoritative and Messianic. I believe him to be the most offensive, repulsive individual on American television today.

I notice with some interest that O’Beckerhead and O’Murdoch were roundly called out in the UK for their anti-Semitism. I’m glad to see the critique.

David Shuster talks about ‘No Journalistic Standards’

OMG THIS IS A FIRST !!! A lamestream socialist media stooge of the lunatic-left d-rat socialists is actually talking about something for which HE IS AN EXPERT. But let’s not stop there… in addition to no journalists standards, the lamestreames also have NO ETHICS, NO INTEGRITY, NO CONSCIENCE and NO BRAINS

Shuster’s fearless critique of fellow cable newsers surely reminds his fans why they liked him

Yep, he definately, gets the crazy vote. Aim high, Davey!!

Shuster has failed on every show handed to him at MSNBC.
David would baba-booey himself each night making obscure references to the Howard Stern show just to hear himself mentioned the next day on Howards show.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Shuster’s fearless critique of fellow cable newsers surely reminds his fans why they liked him Yep, he definately, gets the crazy vote. Aim high, Davey!!

Yet, somehow, he failed with you, the Crown Queen of the Krazees.

Don’t worry Royal Pain in the Butt, I was including you in the crazy vote. No need to feel left out.

I can’t see any difference between how Olberman presented his opinions and how O’Reily, Beck & Hannity express theirs on Fox. If MSNBC has the balls to do something toward civility by firing Olberman, I say the ball is in Fox’s corner about their loud mouth haters…now what are you going to do Fox News?

The Real Royal King said:
You have made a thoughtful post. When it comes to both O’Hannity and O’Lbermann, I agree with you. I believe O’Beckerhead is a more complex matter. It certainly hold himself out to be authoritative and Messianic. I believe him to be the most offensive, repulsive individual on American television today. I notice with some interest that O’Beckerhead and O’Murdoch were roundly called out in the UK for their anti-Semitism. I’m glad to see the critique.

Whethe Beck is insane or a genius or evil or wonderful is secondary to whether his standards (such as they are) are a violation of news journalism or reporting.

They are, of course, if he called himself a news anchor or news journalist. But he doesn’t.

And this is really a distraction – one that Shuster tried to pull – from the question on the table. To wit: Did Keith Olbermann, a self-described “news anchor” who was used by MSNBC to anchor their news coverage of the elections, adhere to the basic precepts of journalism?

That’s the issue. Not Beck or Hannity or the man in the moon.

Olbermann. No one else.

At the height of MSNBC’s slander campaign against the critics of Obama, Schuster used the phrase “racial EPITAPHS” for three days! Does anyone else remember this? If this had happened at Fox, the Daily Show and Maher would have spent months scoring points off it. Schuster is a joke. He’s a turd.

DonnaK said:
I can’t see any difference between how Olberman presented his opinions and how O’Reily, Beck & Hannity express theirs on Fox. If MSNBC has the balls to do something toward civility by firing Olberman, I say the ball is in Fox’s corner about their loud mouth haters…now what are you going to do Fox News?

but olbermann presented himself as a journalist, that is the difference

It’s true that the Fox trio has no journalistic standards. Olbermann and the MSNBC crew are no better though. Whether they call themselves news anchors or commentators, everyone knows of their bias. What makes them have no “journalistic standards” is their lack of regard for facts. Both sides of the debate (Fox and MSNBC) follow their narrative whether the facts agree with it or not (this in my opinion is undeniable).

What looks just as bad though is a competitor, especially a losing one, pointing this out. I prefer CNN to the other cable networks but trying to denounce MSNBC and Fox (particularly with Shuster) seems like it would be threatening their own standards. Furthermore, if you watch Fox news, you know it leans right – that’s why you watch it and vice versa for MSNBC. So why bring it up?

DonnaK said:
I can’t see any difference between how Olberman presented his opinions and how O’Reily, Beck & Hannity express theirs on Fox. If MSNBC has the balls to do something toward civility by firing Olberman, I say the ball is in Fox’s corner about their loud mouth haters…now what are you going to do Fox News?

Keep dreamin Donna (I voted for Bush twice) K, its aint gonna happen. It’s best if you just accept that now. Your life will be alot easier if you aren’t waiting around for that to happen.

Says the man who reportedly violated over a dozen rules at MSNBC, and utilmately was suspended .

It’s one thing to be Olbermann who has admitted bias , it’s another to claim to be a ” straight news ” guy like Shuster. David Shuster is a shitbag.

Coming from a guy with no standards. He was suspended twice and then fired by MSNBC. What company would hire this guy after reading his resume?

The line seems to be totally blurred these days between “just journalist” and opinion journalism. I see them both on Fox and MSNBC, it is presented on Fox by most of their journalists except Shep. I’m just saying one network can’t just take responsibility and the other sit back and act like they outsmarted them. The public can see what is happening, and we don’t like it. They all need to curb the hate, I really like it when 2 people of opposite sides of a policy have a debate–face to face. That makes for good TV….

Well anyone who picks David up will know where he stands politically. No doubt there. So if CNN is still trying to sell that snake oil that they’re apolitical, hiring David would put a big chink in that armor.

DonnaK says:’

The public can see what is happening, and we don’t like it.

Based on the ratings, I’d say people don’t have a problem with FOX. Nice try though!

Shuster’s right. We used to have “journalistic standards” before the Left’s monopoly was invaded by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Any whiny anti-American Liberal will bemoan the existence of opposing voices. They demand the solo voice of statism to drown-out the voices of liberty and individual determination.

Fox sells the right. Msnbc sells the left. I haven’t seen Fox do anything as egregious as the photo edit of the black guy with the rifle at the Tea Party meeting. I dont want to be owned by either one.

This was for CosmosDan. If any of you run into him, share this with him. He was talking about the violence of the tea party. Because of a few signs.

I know you don’t want to dan, but google michelle malkins article, the progressive climate of hate. It’s a picture essay, so I am thinking she cannot lie to such an astute researcher as yourself.The moderator here won’t let me post the link. Enjoy. You don’t have the balls to change your worldview, do you, dan?

Davo said:
Shuster’s right. We used to have “journalistic standards” before the Left’s monopoly was invaded by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Any whiny anti-American Liberal will bemoan the existence of opposing voices. They demand the solo voice of statism to drown-out the voices of liberty and individual determination.

Exactly, they want it all and since they don’t have it, they cry like babies.

ndanielson said:
This was for CosmosDan. If any of you run into him, share this with him. He was talking about the violence of the tea party. Because of a few signs. I know you don’t want to dan, but google michelle malkins article, the progressive climate of hate. It’s a picture essay, so I am thinking she cannot lie to such an astute researcher as yourself.The moderator here won’t let me post the link. Enjoy. You don’t have the balls to change your worldview, do you, dan?

It’s difficult for anyone who was around and paying attention in ’03 and ’04 to take seriously the complaints by left about a lack of civil discourse or supposedly offensive signs.

Jesus Howie, having someone who was fired from MSNBC on to talk about MSNBC is the height of stupidity.

That’s like bringing Dan Rather on to talk about CBS.

The LEFT, LIBs, and DEMOCRATS are DESPERATE and DANGEROUS due to DESPAIR of their DEMISE!

It’s sooo FUN to watch ‘em!

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
DonnaK says:’ The public can see what is happening, and we don’t like it. Based on the ratings, I’d say people don’t have a problem with FOX. Nice try though!

Indeed, Michelle-in-Utah, the 1% or so of Amerikans who watch FOX “News” completely agree with you.

david r said:
Fox sells the right. Msnbc sells the left. I haven’t seen Fox do anything as egregious as the photo edit of the black guy with the rifle at the Tea Party meeting. I dont want to be owned by either one.

Remember FOX did PhotoShop the Washington Tea Party rally by putting the same people in three (3) times.

It’s important to notice and understand why Conservatives never campaign to silence opposing voices the way the anti-American Left always does. Conservatism is the basic “conspiracy” this country was founded on. Conservative values are easy to support with logic, common sense, and historical results.

Liberals know their ideals cannot be supported with logic or successful results, and therefore must fight their battles with venomous personal slanders and ongoing attempts to silence opposition.

Rush, Beck, and FNC commentators have always welcomed debate from the Left. But the Left can only respond by trying to silence them.

Davo said:
It’s important to notice and understand why Conservatives never campaign to silence opposing voices the way the anti-American Left always does. Conservatism is the basic “conspiracy” this country was founded on. Conservative values are easy to support with logic, common sense, and historical results. Liberals know their ideals cannot be supported with logic or successful results, and therefore must fight their battles with venomous personal slanders and ongoing attempts to silence opposition. Rush, Beck, and FNC commentators have always welcomed debate from the Left. But the Left can only respond by trying to silence them.

Actually, core values are widely shared by all Amerikans and Americans. The difference between the so-called right and the so-called left is greatly exaggerated in Amerika and America. Most often, the exaggeration is for political advantage.

The Real Royal King said:
Actually, core values are widely shared by all Amerikans and Americans. The difference between the so-called right and the so-called left is greatly exaggerated in Amerika and America. Most often, the exaggeration is for political advantage.

Wow, are we gonna have an actual debate here? I like it. Explain how the “core values” are the same, or at least similar between the Left and the Right in America.

I admit to not seeing ANYTHING in common between them.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
DonnaK said:I can’t see any difference between how Olberman presented his opinions and how O’Reily, Beck & Hannity express theirs on Fox. If MSNBC has the balls to do something toward civility by firing Olberman, I say the ball is in Fox’s corner about their loud mouth haters…now what are you going to do Fox News? Keep dreamin Donna (I voted for Bush twice) K, its aint gonna happen. It’s best if you just accept that now. Your life will be alot easier if you aren’t waiting around for that to happen.

I’m with you, Donna. I have a much higher opinion of MSNBC now than I once did. I’ve always admired people that work to keep their house clean. By the same token, if the FOX “News” personalities enjoy krapping in their house, and the FOX “News” movers and shakers, particularly Ailes, an immense shaker, want to wallow in krap, why should I object? I just don’t go there.

Davo said:
Wow, are we gonna have an actual debate here? I like it. Explain how the “core values” are the same, or at least similar between the Left and the Right in America. I admit to not seeing ANYTHING in common between them.

Take Big Government. Americans and Amerikans essentially want to be left alone. The areas of irritation may differ. A centrist or left of center American gets more prickly more easily over First Amendment intrusions, and the gouvernment coming into its bedrooms and otherwise violating its privacy, whilst right of center Amerikans get exorcised of anything they say as a possible Second Amendment intrusion and is somewhat more willing to give more leeway to war powers and police powers, but, in the end, all Americans and Amerikans want to go about their lives without a menace in the room. We tend to take our family and our faith seriously. We’re generally charitable and decent. We are all interested in justice and fundamental fairness.

http://articles.philly.com/2010-11-04/news/24955027_1_countdown-with-keith-olbermann-o-reilly-factor-brit-hume

The above study found that Bill O’Reilly has on at least one liberal almost every night, while Olbermann almost never has on conservatives. I’ll say this for O’Reilly: he has on people who disagree with him.

The Real Royal King said:
Take Big Government. Americans and Amerikans essentially want to be left alone………………………… We are all interested in justice and fundamental fairness..

Ahhh………..not true. Leftists only want to tolerate individual choice when it concerns matters of being as immorally disgusting as they can imagine. No other freedom of choice tolerated. Where’s the freedom to choose what to do with one’s own real estate? One’s vehicle? One’s choice of schools to financially support? Or as pointed out on another thread, the choice to NOT fund NPR? How ’bout light bulbs, oil drilling, Hussein’s mandatory CommieCare, and a list that goes on until a Conservative throws up? Wazzup with all that?

Now, let’s look at the differences in our definitions of justice. “Justice” to a Leftist confuses uniformity for equality. Justice to a Conservative is the right to life, liberty, and the ownership of property to do with as he sees fit until his choice may DIRECTLY prevent the same rights of another. Justice to a Leftist is punishing success presuming the successful somehow guilty of achieving that success at someone else’s expense.

Leftists cannot recognize the value in channeling a basic human element, greed, into capitalism that benefits us all. Instead, you demand to strangle freedom in hopes of eliminating greed out of human existence. You accuse CEO’s of cronyism, but think politicians can somehow avoid it in government.

So no RRK, I don’t see the similarities in core values.

we do not care what this loser thinks…..

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Based on the ratings, I’d say people don’t have a problem with FOX. Nice try though!

Ratings is not a measure of quality or of journalistic integrity.

The Real Royal King said:
Indeed, Michelle-in-Utah, the 1% or so of Amerikans who watch FOX “News” completely agree with you.

The Real Royal King said:
Indeed, Michelle-in-Utah, the 1% or so of Amerikans who watch FOX “News” completely agree with you.

Wow, even if !% were true, Fox is 10 times better than your posts, here. I see that less than 1% ever even receive a thumbs up. What is an Amerikan, by the way???

JamesA1102 said:
Ratings is not a measure of quality or of journalistic integrity.

True. All the nets and all of cable, except for Fox have no jounalistic integrty , or news quality at all, and they get higher ratings than reality, I’m sure.

Shuster is the only one who practiced ‘journalism’, but was fired because he failed at it. The other 3 are not journalists and do not claim to be. Is there something in the water at the MSNBC studio? Most of their employees are dumbasses. For real…

Newzmaker said it all, says it best, and sizes up MSNBC employees with great insight and astuteness. Thank you!

What a hack. nobody is hiring this clown,

Why don’t you just hire David Shuster to write stories about himself at Mediaite. Then we’d get to hear about ALL the exciting Shuster news automatically. WOW!!
Also, you could replace your ?writers? who have no objectivity.

That Howie even had David on to talk about journolistic ethics is laughable on its face. really Howie, when is CNN gonna send your butt to the door; Howie does nothing but bash MSNBC and FNC every Sunday now. How pathetic.

he is becoming a total clymer on his show – more and more unreliable every day.

DonnaK said:
I can’t see any difference between how Olberman presented his opinions and how O’Reily, Beck & Hannity express theirs on Fox. If MSNBC has the balls to do something toward civility by firing Olberman, I say the ball is in Fox’s corner about their loud mouth haters…now what are you going to do Fox News?

When did you crawl out of your hole again? Everything was going good around here and then you show up. Take your meds and go back to the home.

F**k off, Gordon. Haven’t they banned you YET?

gordonbloyershow said:
When did you crawl out of your hole again?

When are you going to pull your head out of your ass?

NOW THIS: CNN actually consults last FIRED @MSNBC propagandist that brandished identical homosexual pejoratives & “journalistic standards” http://tinyurl.com/4r5fzrg

@PoliticalPAW

“WATERGATE JUNIOR!!! …oh. Never mind.”

Looks like Shuster is auditioning for a job. He figres if he bashes the compition, he’ll get a gig, but if you recall, its HIM WHO NAS NO JOURNALISTIC STANDARDS:

- “And I am convinced that Karl Rove will, in fact, be indicted.”
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/node/5856#ixzz1BxljO9HT

- “doesn’t it seem like Chelsea’s sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?”
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/02/07/shuster-chelseas-being-pimped-out#ixzz1Bxm7BhjI

The 2nd comment was so bad that Olbermann (who has fantasies of taking Hilary Clinton into a closet and raping or killing her) condemned his fellow “journalist.”
http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/09/olbermann-on-shusters-chelsea-clinton-comment/

Shuster got fired from MSNBC of all places, and he’s trying to lecture us on journalistic integrity? *LOL*

Jim Treacher said:
“WATERGATE JUNIOR!!! …oh. Never mind.”

BOOM!!! And I forget… how many years in prison did Rove get???

We all remember the ‘closet cleaners’ when in college Youj take something off, throw it in the closet, and take it out later and find it is cleaner than what you’ve been wearing. Shuster’s been pulled out of the closet and looks better than somebody thought he did before. Problem is, he’s still Shuster and he still stinks.

No moral/ethical/intellectual standards either. No inner compass. Solid as an – eggshell.

Olbermann’s coverage of Scott Brown’s election will be the gold standard for a long time to come.

Glenn Beck admits that he’s not a journalist. Journalists, after all, have some commitment to conveying the truth. He calls himself a “thinker,” but that is not real evident with Beck’s kindergarten understanding of the Constitution. Beck is to profound as rats are to healthy eating.

Beck of course claims that he tells the truth even though what he claims often has no correspondence to the facts. That happening during his 8-28 speech as well as routinely on his show. Sometimes his false claims stem from ignorance. Beck doesn’t know the facts, but he spouts off anyway. His ignorance renders him unworthy of a show on a major “news” network. Other times it’s clear as day that Beck knows the facts but lies through his teeth anyway. His deceitfulness renders Fox unworthy of the title of news station. Beck is the cornerstone of Murdoch’s right-wing propaganda channel.

Can you say “corruption” little boy? Matt Schneider, can you understand corruption when you hear it?

gordonbloyershow said:
The shock treatments must not have worked. Shuster needs to be readmitted.

That was MY line dammit and you STOLE it! Oh, and you STILL owe me a hamburger.

Anyone who thinks that Fox is a news outlet has an agenda, an anti-Democratic agenda. This has come out, and there’s no hiding or lying about it. Fox = propaganda. It’s so weird: when my wife listens to Beck, she gets “an overwhelming feeling of evil.” I asked her why, and she said that she could tell that he is a liar by HOW he speaks.

I’m more empirical and philosophically trained. Beck lies and we prove this day after day. I have a long list of posts detailing Beck’s false claims, and I don’t post nearly all the ones I know about. I have a large unused file detailing many of Beck’s lies.

Beck is on the wrong side of history again, but — not surprising — he was on the side of democracy in the Middle East in support of Bush’s war of choice against Iraq. He hasn’t changed his mind: Glenn Beck is a hypocrite through and through. I prove this with facts and logic over and over again. And this begs the question: why does Beck has such a large following?

Yes, he’s persuasive and cunning and gifted. He’s also highly skilled at manipulating his viewers; Beck is a master manipulator. Why else would more of his followers not hear the lies I could detect before starting The Glenn Beck Review. He programs his viewers to dismiss any and all criticism of him, no matter how factual and unbiased, no matter how honest. This has led me to a recent re-evaluation of his intellect as of late. He’s still ignorant about the world, but he’s very bright, clever, gifted, persuasive and intelligent. It’s taken a while to see that, but the link about his manipulation skills forced me into rethinking just how smart he is.

It’s still all about Glenn Beck. His motivations, according to Beck’s biographer, Alex Zaitchik, “are, and have always been, money and fame. If Beck has a true religion, it’s not Patriotism. It’s not Mormonism. It’s cross-platform self-marketing.” Those who do not grasp this about him, can not hear his lies or hypocrisies, do not recognize that this uneducated, ignorant man is a charlatan and yellow propagandist, are victims more than they are supporters. They are to be pitied, not respected.