On a side note, liberals should be reminded to vote on Wednesday.

did the CIA task a satellite specifically to get photos of all these communist scum?

I saw the footage from MSNBC (not exactly an impartial observer) for both events, and it is obvious that there weren’t NEARLY as many people at todays event. Those who say otherwise are liars.

If they’re counting people , how many does Ed Schultz count as ?

From the few aerial shots we saw, Beck’s rally DWARFED this CONTRIVED Hate-Fest.

The Democratic Media will try to inflate the figures, and have some obscure extrapolations to justify them, but they won’t get away with it this time – there’s a FOX to deal with now, and the Professional Left no longer monopolizes the message!!
The TRUTH will get out, unlike in the past!

(btw, compare the sneering disparagements rife throughout today’s speeches to the uplifting, TRULY inclusive message of Beck’s rally!)

Who is “they?’

Rubbish. Nobody sent a photo in; if you’re listneing to this rally, you know that any lie is fine by them.

One thing is certain . There are 100% more bored people than at 8/28 . This thing is an excruciating mess .

More people there than on the 29th. Just like how there are gonna be more liberals voting on Nov. 3 than the 2nd

Shultz’s :commie” Rally is a BIG FLOP!

CELEBRATE!

AMERICA WINS AGAIN!

“My rally is bigger than your rally.”

How sadly pathetic that this is the level of political discourse.

http://itisnotagame.com

In all fairness, the liberals should wait till the election is over before claiming voter fraud this time.

There are definitely not more people here than at Becks rally, but the differences between them are pretty startling. Except for a few scattered through out the crowd, all the minorities at Beck’s rally were on the stage. The crowd at one nation is incredibly diverse.
The messages are completely different as well, I never quite got what Beck was saying, it was just a prayer festival. One Nation is pretty much about jobs, education, civil rights, health care.
For those saying the media are inflating the figures, every story I have read has said there were thousands, but the crowd was light, AP said “sparse”, so, we know what “dem” media are saying, lets see what Beck says on Monday.
I think the real test will be at Stewarts Rally. Ed Schulz is not exactly the media figure Beck is and onenation did not get nearly the press coverage Stewart is getting and Beck got . It will be interesting to see how many Stewart can pull in 6 weeks, compared to Becks 6 months.

Bullshit have you seen the airily view,some one is talking out there ass.

they should have called it “what the country can do for you” rally

I see a lot of green going up the sides of the reflecting pool.

puck30 said:
I see a lot of green going up the sides of the reflecting pool.

Ditto.

they just showed a live shot on FOX and there is NO WAY near as many people. They were silly to even try to compare, in the first place. Our rally is bigger than your rally! How juvenile. And then to claim it, when most of the people there are bussed in Union members who were required to be there.

‘One Nation Working Together’ Rally Claims Bigger Numbers Than ‘Restoring Honor’

You expected them to tell the truth and admit they got less?

The rally is a joke. The same old sixties speeches. Jesse was his same blubbering self.
This is how you define astroturf rally. Loaded with people paid to be there.
400 organizations only needed to get 1,000 each to get to 400,000. I would say they may have 200,000 but that is a BIG flop.

@puck30—Don’t forget to mention the empty seats,it reminds of the Oakland Coliseum on sunday.

Seems it is mainly about teachers and education. Odd.

sarainitaly said:
they just showed a live shot on FOX and there is NO WAY near as many people. They were silly to even try to compare, in the first place. Our rally is bigger than your rally! How juvenile. And then to claim it, when most of the people there are bussed in Union members who were required to be there.

From the long shot FNC has of the crowd it looks like a New Jersey Devils game at ‘The Rock’ with about 5 mins to go and the 8-1.

the score 8-1

Looks like a Kamikaze reunion.

It’s so funny to watch this video, and look at all the pics from the rally:
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=7354

http://yfrog.com/f/msgsvoj/
http://twitpic.com/2u21bx/full
http://twitpic.com/2u1rmu
http://yfrog.com/nf7crvj

http://tspan.us/news/12147-scenes-from-the-one-nation-rally

Beck Fan: http://yfrog.com/f5nphj ??

http://plixi.com/p/48362922

Say what? http://plixi.com/p/48362128

At one nation rally. Only paid union members here! Im amazed….almost every person has a union shirt on. http://plixi.com/p/48340931

dang, I don’t think anyone is still there… CSPAN just showed a few crowd shots and the place is empty.

tweet:

pinkelephantpun
They just told us Capitalism is dead. Meanwhile, they’re selling $10 smoothies on the other side of the Memorial.

LOL!

I herd they almost blacked out the rally do to low attedants.Who organized this Al Davis?

Beck and Fox will have a BIG Time showing the Arial’s of the two rally’s.
How can the MSM and Lefty Nuts be so stupid to think they can get away with that crap in this day and age?
Beck’s Rally was just about double this one.

PhotOh! One Nation: “Someone tell Beck there are more people here than” at his rally.

http://www.thepoliticalcarnival.net/2010/10/photoh-one-nation-someone-tell-beck-there-are-more-people-here-than-at-his-rally/

They’re dreaming…

Expect the Left to photoshop the pictures to make the crowd look larger.

On another matter: MEDIAITE, what the hell is wrong with you?
The best interview in a decade was last night as Greta Van Susteren demolished & humiliated Gloria Allred.
You have NO DECENT EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for not running this story.
Are you incompetent or in bed with Gloria?

Bet a lot of busses stop at the first liquor store they see on the way out of there . ….Bet they tear out of town like Lucas Doolin : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL9VWTzR2jA

Either FNC’s sat. feed just went down or they just envoked the ‘Mercy Rule’ because of the crowd size.

Arkansas Steve said:
On another matter: MEDIAITE, what the hell is wrong with you?The best interview in a decade was last night as Greta Van Susteren demolished & humiliated Gloria Allred.You have NO DECENT EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for not running this story.Are you incompetent or in bed with Gloria?

They are both!

It’s a shame the Tea Party people are being used by big corporate interests and are to dumb to even know it. I guess they will find out when they have no medicare, social security. The big insurance companies will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Good Lord. They couldn’t keep on track with the original purpose of this rally!
Had to make it about Beck. They should have known Beck would wax their asses, but the Beck haters just cannot help themselves. It’s about numbers Sports Fans. Maybe if they had given the Inmates at the DC Jail a one day Parole to attend this Rally.
Who Knows?

All the Tea Partiers have to do is a little research. Just google “Dick Armey” or the “Koch Brothers” and go from there and check out what big special interests they are in bed with.

organizers of today’s “One Nation Together Rally” are claiming that, based on a “satellite image,” there are definitively more people on the Washington Mall today than there were on the 29th of August. Congratulations, liberals! Except “Restoring Honor” was on the 28th.
===========================

I assume a lot of these people had some drug induced numbers announced as they couldnt even get the date right.

Someone also probably dug up a satellite photo of the mall on Aug 29th and based the turnout on comparing that. Although I haven’t heard of any satellite photos until today so either the intelligence community is in cahoots with the left wing whackos or someone is blowing smoke. I suggest the latter and the smoke has been inhaled first.

Geeeeeeeeez… 400 organizations?

ASTROTURF

Arkansas Steve – This is mediaite, that means this is MSNBC. They are never going to discuss how Greta slammed Gloria; ain’t gonna happen.

The “one nation” rally is laughtastic; especially Ed….”one nation” except for the evil conservatives.

Too funny – but expect most of the liberal media to claim it is a great success and to NEVER EVER EVER discuss who sponsored this event.

Peggy Keller
I think the real test will be at Stewarts Rally. Ed Schulz is not exactly the media figure Beck is and onenation did not get nearly the press coverage Stewart is getting and Beck got . It will be interesting to see how many Stewart can pull in 6 weeks, compared to Becks 6 months.

Stewart’s Rally is on the last weekend before the election so the Tea Party has to organize a big bang event(s) for that weekend as well.

I suggest multiple huge rallies all across America.

Regardless of how many people Stewart can bribe and coerce to come out, if there are huge rallies nationwide it will make the Stewart rally look like a few people gathering together in Stewart’s office bathroom to smoke a joint.

Bill Mahwer said:
Stewart’s Rally is on the last weekend before the election so the Tea Party has to organize a big bang event(s) for that weekend as well.

I suggest multiple huge rallies all across America.

Regardless of how many people Stewart can bribe and coerce to come out, if there are huge rallies nationwide it will make the Stewart rally look like a few people gathering together in Stewart’s office bathroom to smoke a joint.

Actually there are several rallies going on today across the country as well and people who can’t come to DC on the 30th are planning local rallies.

It’s just a dam shame that American citizens can’t celebrate their fellow citizens participating in the process rather than the need to deride each other like jr high kids might.

and admittedly, that guy coming out to announce numbers is kinda jr high.

Lurker said:
Geeeeeeeeez… 400 organizations?

ASTROTURF

remember when democrats were saying that about the Tea Party and had to eat their words?

TfT said:
Arkansas Steve – This is mediaite, that means this is MSNBC. They are never going to discuss how Greta slammed Gloria; ain’t gonna happen.

The “one nation” rally is laughtastic; especially Ed….”one nation” except for the evil conservatives.

Too funny – but expect most of the liberal media to claim it is a great success and to NEVER EVER EVER discuss who sponsored this event.

The groups were plainly listed on the web page weren’t they?

Arkansas Steve said:
Arkansas Steve

He steve

you MISSED a couple threads

writer said:
Looks like a Kamikaze reunion.

that’s Karma-kazie…..

Arkansas Steve said:
Are you incompetent or in bed with Gloria?

Gloria? I think they got her number. I think they got the alias she’s been living under.

glenn113 said:
All the Tea Partiers have to do is a little research. Just google “Dick Armey” or the “Koch Brothers” and go from there and check out what big special interests they are in bed with.

Kinda like the Democrats in bed with George Soros, huh?

Azarkhan said:
Expect the Left to photoshop the pictures to make the crowd look larger.

They’ll probably photo shop in more people of color too, just to create that whole fake diversity thing. Bastards!

CosmosDan said:
The groups were plainly listed on the web page weren’t they?

Mediaite won’t post my list!

Trying again:

Just a partial list of the lefty loons…..LOL

AFL-CIO

American Federation of Teachers

Center for Community Change

Green for All

NAACP

National Council of La Raza

Rainbow PUSH Coalition

SEIU: Service Employees International Union

Sojourners

UAW, International Union

AFSCME

Alliance for Democracy

Campaign for America’s Future

Campaign for Peace and Democracy

Campus Progress

Chicago Democratic Socialists of America

Code Pink

Color of Change.org

Communist Party USA (CPUSA)

Democratic Socialists of America

Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN)

Gray Panthers

Human Rights Campaign

International Socialist Organization

National Education Association

National Urban League

Planned Parenthood

United Steel Workers

Working Families Party

Ya Ya Network

Yeah, Greta eviscerated Gloria last night.
Funny as shit.
Gloria didn’t have a leg to stand on.
Which makes the “swift-boating” of Whitman all the sweeter.

Gloria actually got Meg to agree to a lie detector test like she was a common criminal!!!lolol!!
And Allred doesn’t even have a case! hahaha!

The Right has taught us well..

Just trying to help. Scroll down for the photo.

http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/left-right/do-we-look-racist/

sarainitaly said:
they just showed a live shot on FOX and there is NO WAY near as many people. They were silly to even try to compare, in the first place. Our rally is bigger than your rally! How juvenile. And then to claim it, when most of the people there are bussed in Union members who were required to be there.

You got that right Sarah in Italy!!!

At the Beckerhead Revival I counted 329,742,591 people, excluding the Beckerhead, and today I counted 14 people, including the speakers. Damn liberal liars.

These photos will allow you to compare the size of the turnout:

Beck’s rally:
http://protectliberty.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/GlennBeck-Rally.jpg

One Nation Working Together Rally:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/slideshow/ALeqM5icsuVv08fYW2-G7Ql3ysjyh4CkTgD9IJOTI81?docId=D9IJOTI81&index=5

Looks like Beck wins by an enormous margin.

juan said:
Mediaite won’t post my list! Trying again: Just a partial list of the lefty loons…..LOL AFL-CIO American Federation of Teachers Center for Community Change Green for All NAACP National Council of La Raza Rainbow PUSH Coalition SEIU: Service Employees International Union Sojourners UAW, International Union AFSCME Alliance for Democracy Campaign for America’s Future Campaign for Peace and Democracy Campus Progress Chicago Democratic Socialists of America Code Pink Color of Change.org Communist Party USA (CPUSA) Democratic Socialists of America Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) Gray Panthers Human Rights Campaign International Socialist Organization National Education Association National Urban League Planned Parenthood United Steel Workers Working Families Party Ya Ya Network

Looks like a group of organizations dedicated to helping hard-working American men and women and supporting American families. You’re right. This is Commanismpure and simple and anyone who says it isn’t is a L I A R.

juan said:
Mediaite won’t post my list!

I’ve seen the list, been to the site. The funny thing about America is, those people are citizens here with an equal voice, same as the Tea Party folks. No reason for them to hide who they are or what group they belong to.

Also, I could give a shit about the rally today.

Who cares how it compares to Beck’s rally?

It’s like caring how many “thumbs up” you get on this site.

Only the losers do that, like Gordo and felix.

CosmosDan said:
They’ll probably photo shop in more people of color too, just to create that whole fake diversity thing. Bastards!

O’Hannity said he’d help us.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Also, I could give a shit about the rally today. Who cares how it compares to Beck’s rally? It’s like caring how many “thumbs up” you get on this site. Only the losers do that, like Gordo and felix.

I gave you a Thumb’s up for that.

juan said:
Kinda like the Democrats in bed with George Soros, huh?

Just that once and I was really drunk. ….

The Real Royal King said:
O’Hannity said he’d help us.

lol yeah they’ve got the gear set up permanently. Could probably help us with the video editing as well.

sarainitaly said:
dang, I don’t think anyone is still there… CSPAN just showed a few crowd shots and the place is empty.

What is the sick obsession with this rally, Sara N. Italy? I think if I were in Italy on a peasant Fall evevning, I might have other interests to pursue.

pleasant

evening

CosmosDan said:
It’s just a dam shame that American citizens can’t celebrate their fellow citizens participating in the process rather than the need to deride each other like jr high kids might.

… which is why a bunch of Stewart/Colbert fans wanted to a “Restoring Sanity/March to Keep Fear Alive,” I’m sure. That’s all they’re doing, I’m told.

With so many unions on board you have to wonder where they got all the goons needed to pressure members to go,how many threats they had to make to force members to turn out…

Wonder if Ed called anybody a fat slob while he was there…

So many people,so low IQs.

LibsFailAtLife said:
kill yourself you worthless piece of shit.

Caution: Angry Teaturd Alert!

The Real Royal King said:
O’Hannity said he’d help us.

lol yeah they’ve got the gear set up permanently. Could probably help us with the video editing as well.

Calvin said:
… which is why a bunch of Stewart/Colbert fans wanted to a “Restoring Sanity/March to Keep Fear Alive,” I’m sure. That’s all they’re doing, I’m told.

When Arianna was on the Daily Show and implied his rally was an answer to the Tea Party one Jon stopped and said it shouldn’t be about dividing Americans into groups and invited Tea Party folks to the rally as well.
There are clearly people on both sides that like to see it as a competition us vs them kinda thing and it’s easy to get swept up in that. I feel it myself sometimes, but we need to try and get away from that. It’s okay for us to disagree and be participating in the process.

LibsFailAtLife said:
like your obsession with michelle? kill yourself you worthless piece of shit.

pretty funny to have that name over a post like that.

glenn113 said:
It’s a shame the Tea Party people are being used by big corporate interests and are to dumb to even know it. I guess they will find out when they have no medicare, social security. The big insurance companies will be laughing all the way to the bank.

And who is it that is cutting Medicare? Oh, that would be in the Obama health care bill.
YOU’RE AN IDIOT!!!!

CosmosDan said:
When Arianna was on the Daily Show and implied his rally was an answer to the Tea Party one Jon stopped and said it shouldn’t be about dividing Americans into groups and invited Tea Party folks to the rally as well.
There are clearly people on both sides that like to see it as a competition us vs them kinda thing and it’s easy to get swept up in that. I feel it myself sometimes, but we need to try and get away from that. It’s okay for us to disagree and be participating in the process.

That may be Jon’s position, but that’s not the impression I get from a lot of his fans. You’re pretty much OK, except for when you say things like this:

Calvin said:
CosmosDan said:
Right, This is America and those dam citizens that are commies don’t get have a voice.
Pardon me Dan, but nobody even said such a thing. We just want to have a meeting on the “battlefield of ideas.” Glenn Beck wanted a discussion, he didn’t want Van Jones fired. Anyways, I thought you were concerned about the moderates having a voice.
CosmosDan said:
Stewart has said repeatedly that the purpose of the rally is to give moderates. that vastly outnumber the loud fringes that get so much airtime, a chance to show they have a voice as well and are tired of extremes in rhetoric based in emotion rather than rational discussion between American citizens who respect the process.
I know you were talking about Stewart’s rally, but still.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/glenn-beck-directs-viewers-to-communist-party-website-for-all-their-stewartcolbert-needs/#comment-158877

writer said:
In all fairness, the liberals should wait till the election is over before claiming voter fraud this time.

Wait a minute, I thought ACORN was the one who stole elections,,.,lol,

Any numbers on how many union members were coerced into being there? They can “claim” any thing they want, but claiming something doesn’t make it true.

Funny how the loons on the left here were so quick to put down the number of people at the Beck event. Now they say no one should compare the two events. LOL.

From the AP…………right wingers that they are……………

More than 400 organizations — ranging from labor unions to faith, environmental and gay rights groups — partnered for the event, which comes one month after Beck packed the same space with conservatives and tea party-style activists.

Organizers claimed they had as many participants as Beck’s rally. But Saturday’s crowds were less dense and didn’t reach as far to the edges as they did during Beck’s rally. The National Park Service stopped providing official crowd estimates in the 1990s.

If 400 well trained astroturf organizations can’t get a bigger crowd then poor Stewart is in REAL trouble.

juan said:
Kinda like the Democrats in bed with George Soros, huh?

Didn’t think the Democrats were a grass roots organization, only looking out for Americans, not Big Business interests.

ok, it they are comparing today to 8/29/10, that’s one thing, but if they are comparing it to 8/28/10, the acutal Beck rally, they are totally screwed and the arieals will prove it

Calvin said:
That may be Jon’s position, but that’s not the impression I get from a lot of his fans. You’re pretty much OK, except for when you say things like this:

Not sure where you are seeing a bias in Dan
Dan seems to be one of the most willing to listen.

Wow… Do you people even listen to yourselves or each other? Are you what’s generated by the Glen Beck hysteria? Mr. Beck… aka prophet Beck… preaching love of money over your brothers in God?
Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars… What soever you do unto the least of my brethern, you do unto me… shameful….

http://plixi.com/p/48407257

right-is-wrong said:
Not sure where you are seeing a bias in DanDan seems to be one of the most willing to listen.

I was talking about this remark.

CosmosDan said:
Right, This is America and those dam citizens that are commies don’t get have a voice

That was Dan’s sarcastic remark to someone who mentioned that Communist groups are at the rally.
This is what I said in response:

Calvin said:
Pardon me Dan, but nobody even said such a thing. We just want to have a meeting on the “battlefield of ideas.” Glenn Beck wanted a discussion, he didn’t want Van Jones fired. Anyways, I thought you were concerned about the moderates having a voice.

CosmosDan said:
Stewart has said repeatedly that the purpose of the rally is to give moderates. that vastly outnumber the loud fringes that get so much airtime, a chance to show they have a voice as well and are tired of extremes in rhetoric based in emotion rather than rational discussion between American citizens who respect the process.

He was talking about Stewart’s rally, but still.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/glenn-beck-directs-viewers-to-communist-party-website-for-all-their-stewartcolbert-needs/#comment-158877

Anyways, Dan is pretty fair and open-minded when he comments, but he does have a bias, as do all of us here. That is plain to see. Just as plain with me or or anyone else here.

Calvin said:
That may be Jon’s position, but that’s not the impression I get from a lot of his fans. You’re pretty much OK, except for when you say things like this:

It’s a diverse country and you can’t keep people from venting. We see that on this site every day. People from both sides with nothing to offer but hateful remarks. I’ve been on several sites about Jon’s rally. There are certainly those who see it as an opposition to the tea party and I’m sure there will be some signs that are not pretty. I also see lots of folks like myself urging people to understand and get into the true spirit of the rally. I plan on taking a lot of pictures and doing brief interviews when I’m there to get a cross section of attendees. I’ll report back.

Pardon me Dan, but nobody even said such a thing. We just want to have a meeting on the “battlefield of ideas.” Glenn Beck wanted a discussion, he didn’t want Van Jones fired. Anyways, I thought you were concerned about the moderates having a voice.

I know nobody said that. I’m just reminding people that even if you disagree other Americans get an equal voice. I do want moderates to have a voice and we will have. But , as smooth as Beck is with his act, he does not want a real discussion with informed people who are capable of defending their position. He’s been invited several times to have that discussion and hasn’t done it yet. So far it’s all talk and no action when it comes to an exchange of ideas and information. You can draw whatever conclusion you want from that.
here’s a another response from Wallis who won’t take Beck’s insults lying down.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-wallis/beck-nazis-and-civil-dial_b_746913.html
When the next day Glenn Beck told his audience that I was “dangerous,” mischaracterized what I believe, and then took that mischaracterization and said that it “always leads to mass death,” my first desire was not to be civil. When his next step was to leap to the Nazi corruption of churches in Germany, and to suggest that I and “progressive Christians” were like the Nazis, I got angry.
Unfortunately, Beck has not accepted my invitation to have a dialogue about the real meaning of “social justice,” which he so regularly maligns.
So while Beck feels free to draw conclusions about Wallis on national TV and talk about his beliefs, he won’t have the man on to discuss it with him. Is that something you defend?

Peggy Keller said:
There are definitely not more people here than at Becks rally, but the differences between them are pretty startling. Except for a few scattered through out the crowd, all the minorities at Beck’s rally were on the stage. The crowd at one nation is incredibly diverse.
The messages are completely different as well, I never quite got what Beck was saying, it was just a prayer festival. One Nation is pretty much about jobs, education, civil rights, health care.
For those saying the media are inflating the figures, every story I have read has said there were thousands, but the crowd was light, AP said “sparse”, so, we know what “dem” media are saying, lets see what Beck says on Monday.
I think the real test will be at Stewarts Rally. Ed Schulz is not exactly the media figure Beck is and onenation did not get nearly the press coverage Stewart is getting and Beck got . It will be interesting to see how many Stewart can pull in 6 weeks, compared to Becks 6 months.

Excellent points, good to see a thoughtful person posting here among the wasteland of airhead ditto heads.

http://twitpic.com/2u39jy

misterbee said:
Any numbers on how many union members were coerced into being there? They can “claim” any thing they want, but claiming something doesn’t make it true.

Nonsense, I know union members who went to great lengths not to miss this rally, good American’s who believe in American values unlike the Tea Party crowd who have no concept of our values and what makes America a unique nation in the world. Let them keep Sarah Palin and Carl Paladino. What a joke.

He was talking about Stewart’s rally, but still.
but still , what?

Anyways, Dan is pretty fair and open-minded when he comments, but he does have a bias, as do all of us here. That is plain to see. Just as plain with me or or anyone else here.
I wouldn’t deny being bias. As you say, we all do. The challenge is to not let that bias cloud our honest examination of the facts and the principles involved.

If you hate it when the party you don’t support does something you think is shitty , then keep that in mind when the party you do support does the same thing, and don’t excuse it.

http://plixi.com/p/48409449

dhg said:
With so many unions on board you have to wonder where they got all the goons needed to pressure members to go,how many threats they had to make to force members to turn out…

Wonder if Ed called anybody a fat slob while he was there…

So many people,so low IQs.

The low 1Qs are in the Tea Party crowd who support Sarah Palin and Carl Paladino. If you think that crowd is more intelligent than the Obama & Clinton crowd you need to look into a mirror.

This crowd looks like a few people might get knifed… Nice crowd.
I guess this rally really pulls out our nations rejects!
These are the Obama voters! and these are the faces of the liberals on this site….

Poor liberals. They just suck at everything

gordonbloyershow said:
Funny how the loons on the left here were so quick to put down the number of people at the Beck event. Now they say no one should compare the two events. LOL.

From the AP…………right wingers that they are……………

More than 400 organizations — ranging from labor unions to faith, environmental and gay rights groups — partnered for the event, which comes one month after Beck packed the same space with conservatives and tea party-style activists.

Who cares who had more people. The Tea Party and American conservatives are morally and intellectually bankrupt. People who rally people based upon fear and hate can always draw large crowds. Study the past 100 years of world history. Americans will look back and be ashamed of the positions taken by right wing fear and hate mongers today. They are on the wrong side of history.

Organizers claimed they had as many participants as Beck’s rally. But Saturday’s crowds were less dense and didn’t reach as far to the edges as they did during Beck’s rally. The National Park Service stopped providing official crowd estimates in the 1990s.

If 400 well trained astroturf organizations can’t get a bigger crowd then poor Stewart is in REAL trouble.

armwood said:
The low 1Qs are in the Tea Party crowd who support Sarah Palin and Carl Paladino. If you think that crowd is more intelligent than the Obama & Clinton crowd you need to look into a mirror.

^

Moron alert!

Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public and tend to be Republican, white, male and married, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html

Calvin said:
He was talking about Stewart’s rally, but still.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/glenn-beck-directs-viewers-to-communist-party-website-for-all-their-stewartcolbert-needs/#comment-158877

but scroll down a wee bit

CosmosDan said:
Just to note, I agree the headline is inaccurate and should be fixed.

writer said:
In all fairness, the liberals should wait till the election is over before claiming voter fraud this time.

I’ve heard Beck mentioning it already when he was talking about Jon’s rally.
“They’re going to try and suppress the vote”

It’s really scary the amount of games that go on stop or discourage people from voting. Someone needs a boot to the head
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y38Ts2LNUxk

CosmosDan said:
They’ll probably photo shop in more people of color too, just to create that whole fake diversity thing. Bastards!

That is a tactic engaged in by the Fox Network and the right wing thugs who dishonestly defamed Acorn and Shirley Sherrod. These are right wing tactics. Let’s at try and be honest here. The left of center crowd has not engaged in this type of dishonest behavior.

CosmosDan said:
I know nobody said that.

Why’d you say that then?

CosmosDan said:
I’m just reminding people that even if you disagree other Americans get an equal voice.

You could’ve said that instead. I don’t think anbody would deny that. Nobody here wants to restrict anybody’s speech, we’re just pointing out who progressives are aligning themselves with.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/08/american-socialists-release-names-of-70-congressional-democrats-in-their-caucus/

I’d give you the list of groups at this rally, but I’m sure you’ve seen that.

armwood said:
Who cares who had more people. The Tea Party and American conservatives are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

I always fail to see how people making a remark like this can really see themselves as morally or intellectually superior. Doesn’t the nature of the comment display the exact characteristics you’re criticizing?

CosmosDan said:
but still , what?

I’m just saying that I think what you said there should apply to this thing. You wouldn’t consider the Communists extreme?

CosmosDan said:
The challenge is to not let that bias cloud our honest examination of the facts and the principles involved.
If you hate it when the party you don’t support does something you think is shitty , then keep that in mind when the party you do support does the same thing, and don’t excuse it.

Agreed.

The only thing they have.

Liberal comments to Conservatives:

You racist, homophobic, bigoted, sexist, fat, stupid, ugly, ignorant, moronic, idiots.

(Kind of olberjerkoff comment)
(I reserve the right to use olberjerkoff anytime I want)

Some douchebag sez: “did the CIA task a satellite specifically to get photos of all these communist scum?”

It doesn’t get much more anti-American than that.
“One Nation Working Together” Sure…(minus the Teabag Taliban.)
Looks you losers won’t be taking either house of Congress after all. So much for the Teabag Taliban Tsunami.

New rule: All Tea-Tards Talibani will be drafted commencing November 3rd.
Time for the armchair-warrior authoritarians go fight their direct competition in Afpak in person. Put them out front.
Its their turn to fight…

Who served? http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

LMAO, here are the crowds and trash that is scattered around… Nice rally idiots!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw3_LEPJtFI&feature=player_embedded

Calvin said:
Why’d you say that then?

You could’ve said that instead. I don’t think anbody would deny that. Nobody here wants to restrict anybody’s speech, we’re just pointing out who progressives are aligning themselves with.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/08/american-socialists-release-names-of-70-congressional-democrats-in-their-caucus/

I’d give you the list of groups at this rally, but I’m sure you’ve seen that.

Point taken. It’s fair to point out who’s going, but it’s not as if they’re hiding it. One poster in another thread said, “they’re allowing the communists to speak” I just get annoyed at the whole “we’re the real Americans” thing so sometimes I vent.

been to the site and looked over the list.

Black people attended. Wondered where they’ve been.
Certainly weren’t any present in the I’ve Got a Scheme/Buy Overpriced Gold R Us herd.
OK, there were nine, counting Uncle Tom and Ron Christie.

Calvin said:
I’m just saying that I think what you said there should apply to this thing. You wouldn’t consider the Communists extreme?

From what I hear the Communist group Beck mentioned is a very small group and I really don’t know what they think or support. Communism is a political social philosophy and not a one size fits all evil plot. The cold war is over and Joe is gone.

homie said:
Black people attended. Wondered where they’ve been.
Certainly weren’t any present in the I’ve Got a Scheme/Buy Overpriced Gold R Us herd.
OK, there were nine, counting Uncle Tom and Ron Christie.

yeah but they thought they were getting a ride to roscoes

“LMAO, here are the crowds and trash that is scattered around”

What do you call this? Looks like 9-12 in Manhattan, not Washington.

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID25466/images/trash-and-other-debris-scattered-across-the-national-mall-after-obama-inauguration-ceremony.jpg

CosmosDan said:
It’s fair to point out who’s going, but it’s not as if they’re hiding it

No, which is why it’s silly when people say Glenn Beck’s being a conspiracy theorist when he points this out on their own website.

CosmosDan said:
One poster in another thread said, “they’re allowing the communists to speak” I just get annoyed at the whole “we’re the real Americans” thing so sometimes I vent.

You could’ve picked that comment instead of the one comment you chose when you vented. That would have been more understandable.

“yeah but they thought they were getting a ride to roscoes”

Better than a ride to defeat, I guess. But you’re the experts.

armwood said:
That is a tactic engaged in by the Fox Network and the right wing thugs who dishonestly defamed Acorn and Shirley Sherrod. These are right wing tactics. Let’s at try and be honest here. The left of center crowd has not engaged in this type of dishonest behavior.

My comment was sarcasm. To be clear, both sides resort to less than honorable tactics, but I’d agree I’ve seen more egregious examples from the right, although Dick Grayson seems willing to compete in that regard.

Calvin said:
You could’ve picked that comment instead of the one comment you chose when you vented. That would have been more understandable.

Okay Calvin, Mine was pretty dam mild compared to a lot of the crap we see here. so we’re done talking about it now.

BR said:
Poor liberals. They just suck at everything

have you been having those homo erotic dreams again? Stop repressing yourself and COME OUT. You can join that log cabin group.

LibertySister said:
This crowd looks like a few people might get knifed… Nice crowd.
I guess this rally really pulls out our nations rejects!
These are the Obama voters! and these are the faces of the liberals on this site….

Sigmund, could you help us with this one please.

gordonbloyershow said:
Loaded with people paid to be there.

Hey Gordon; since you stand behind everything you say I’d like you to support this statement with some evidence.

Update: The AP claims there is definitely no way there were more people here than during Restoring Honor:”

Well, duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Christ, you could have built a golf course with all the grass that was visible there. 400 organizations and they could not beat one man’s commanding draw: Glenn Beck!

And what did I hear? “We demand…” “We demand….”

“We demand….”

“Also worthy of note is the protest sign in the clip proclaiming Beck and Sarah Palin racists, similar to the ones at the Chicago anti-Breitbart rally. ”

Hey, libs can’t stop their hate and venom for one day!!!

Tsk, tsk!

Thanks libs, you showed America what a bunch of pathetic government ticks you are.

400 progressive groups organize a rally, and they can’t attract anywhere near the turnout that Beck drew to his event. And why is that? Let’s face it, the liberal media is entirely responsible for Beck’s influence. By covering up stories, spinning every issue in a partisan manner, and dishing out propaganda instead of news, the mainstream media has created a situation in which anyone on TV who speaks frankly and honestly stands out. If CNN, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, the New York Times were doing honest journalism, no one would need to pay attention to Beck. But amidst a debased, corrupt media, he is allowed to exert enormous influence and power.

My advice to the Left: If you want to put a stop to Glenn Beck, start reporting honestly, and his audience will shrink.

CosmosDan said:
Okay Calvin, Mine was pretty dam mild compared to a lot of the crap we see here. so we’re done talking about it now.

OK.

Now we discuss this:

CosmosDan said:
To be clear, both sides resort to less than honorable tactics, but I’d agree I’ve seen more egregious examples from the right, although Dick Grayson seems willing to compete in that regard.

Back this up, if you would. I wouldn’t say that either side lies more than the other side, but I could if I wanted to. I could easily point to something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx4HqkqNnJU

Or this: http://www.mediaite.com/online/media-matters-shirley-sherrods-glenn-becks-co-hosts-with-edited-audio/

CosmosDan said:
The challenge is to not let that bias cloud our honest examination of the facts and the principles involved.

Again, I’d say both sides are quite adept at lying. Neither side is a bigger liar than the other just becasue we disagree with them politically.

CosmosDan said:
have you been having those homo erotic dreams again? Stop repressing yourself and COME OUT. You can join that log cabin group.

Several good ones in a row!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkw7n9Qagu8

Free bus rides, free lunches, free T-shirts, and free Metro cards, played a major role in luring folks to attend the event. Paid for, I’m sure, from ‘stimulus’ funds to the Unions, courtesy of the employed taxpayers. Freebies for all.

http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2010/09/27/astroturf-thousands-given-free-bus-rides-by-unions-naacp-to-one-nation-rally/#more-173109

homie said:
Black people attended. Wondered where they’ve been.

Since your lips are glued to black ass, you tell us.

AP: Organizers claimed they had as many participants as Beck’s rally. But Saturday’s crowds were less dense and didn’t reach as far to the edges as they did during Beck’s rally.

CosmosDan said:
have you been having those homo erotic dreams again? Stop repressing yourself and COME OUT. You can join that log cabin group.

Several good ones in a row!!!!

Couple since – your’e on a roll

CosmosDan said:
Hey Gordon; since you stand behind everything you say I’d like you to support this statement with some evidence.

I know you were talking to Gordon, but here you go.

http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2010/09/27/astroturf-thousands-given-free-bus-rides-by-unions-naacp-to-one-nation-rally/

Believe it, or don’t. Doesn’t matter to me.

CosmosDan said:
BR said:
Poor liberals. They just suck at everything
have you been having those homo erotic dreams again? Stop repressing yourself and COME OUT. You can join that log cabin group.

You’re not being any better than him, you know.

Hey all, the British have their own tea party:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/8009839/British-Tea-Party-launched-by-Conservative-activists-to-challenge-Coalition.html

The difference between their tea party and ours according to the article:

“We are less concerned with ‘God, guns and gays’,” .

Calvin said:
OK.

Now we discuss this:

Back this up, if you would. I wouldn’t say that either side lies more than the other side, but I could if I wanted to. I could easily point to something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx4HqkqNnJU

Or this: http://www.mediaite.com/online/media-matters-shirley-sherrods-glenn-becks-co-hosts-with-edited-audio/

Again, I’d say both sides are quite adept at lying. Neither side is a bigger liar than the other just becasue we disagree with them politically.

It’s just an opinion and I may be wrong. Feel free to point out anything that comes up. Mistakes and spin, are one thing but sometimes the distortion crosses the line. I think we need our media to stop distorting the facts for political agenda or just to create false controversy.
A couple of people have pointed out some issues with the the left wing media and I’ll be keeping a more critical eye on them because of it.

Of course they went to great lengths to be there, they were paid by their Unions.

Calvin said:
You’re not being any better than him, you know.

I’m being sarcastic, about the ignorant nature of his post. I just get so tired of the blanket insults sometimes I need to vent. No excuse no apology.

You’ll notice that I didn’t actually insult him right?

CosmosDan said:
I’m being sarcastic, about the ignorant nature of his post. I just get so tired of the blanket insults sometimes I need to vent. No excuse no apology.
You’ll notice that I didn’t actually insult him right?

Sometime’s it’s difficult to discern sarcasm over the internet. It kind of seemed to me that you were calling him gay, or implying that he is. That seems a bit Jr. High-ish.

Like I said, sometime’s it’s difficult to discern sarcasm over the internet.

I’m a bit sarcastic here, but I try not to call people names.

Amazing how we get derailed into slinging slams one side to the other. Two sides, both trying to convince the other their concept of government is better for EVERYONE than the other party, or group. Now we do not need to know who can draw a bigger crowd, what we need to know is who can guide this country through this phase of anger, distrust, prejudice, disappointment and angst.
Now any guesses which rally I attended?

Calvin said:
I know you were talking to Gordon, but here you go.

http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2010/09/27/astroturf-thousands-given-free-bus-rides-by-unions-naacp-to-one-nation-rally/

Believe it, or don’t. Doesn’t matter to me.

AND? free bus, free lunch, free t shirt is not being paid to be there is it? Which is what Gordon said.
but since you brought it up

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/24/glenn-beck-rally/

aside from bus rides from political groups there’s this

Beck’s insistence that “Restoring Honor” isn’t political is not simply a public relations effort. Funding for the event is provided by an organization called the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, which is a 501 (c)(3) tax-exempt, federally registered charity. In order for that charity to preserve its tax-exempt status, the “Restoring Honor” rally must be non-political. Perhaps Beck’s message this weekend will not be political — but the right-wing is clearly coordinating the rally.

and then had Michelle Bachman speak after Beck so he could maintain his claim.

Why are socialists such slobs?

http://plixi.com/p/48409449

Oh yeah, I forgot, they have no respect for other people or their property.

Calvin said:
Sometime’s it’s difficult to discern sarcasm over the internet. It kind of seemed to me that you were calling him gay, or implying that he is. That seems a bit Jr. High-ish.

Like I said, sometime’s it’s difficult to discern sarcasm over the internet.

I’m a bit sarcastic here, but I try not to call people names.

I was being sarcastic about him being gay indicating that his claim that all liberals suck is the result of a homo erotic dream. but implying someone is a repressed gay is not an insult. Especially since considering how many times that has turned out to be true in the GOP. I didn’t use a derogatory term.

I’m actually quite glad to see gay republicans speaking up. It’s bound to change things.

I try not to go overboard even when I’m venting, although it’s been known to happen.

Here’s Ed Schultz idea of ‘One Nation’….

“The conservative voices of America, they are holding you down,” said Schultz. “They don’t believe in your freedom. They want the concentration of wealth. They’ve shipped your job overseas…They suppress your vote.”

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/#ixzz11FZqEjzj

One thing today’s astroturf rally did have over Restoring America: the amount of trash left by today’s loons:
http://plixi.com/p/48409449

timzank said:
Why are socialists such slobs?

http://plixi.com/p/48409449

Oh yeah, I forgot, they have no respect for other people or their property.

That is very uncool. Shame on them. Who cleans up after thousands of people. The speakers at the rally should have been reminding them every half hour to take that crap with them. I’ll remember to take some trash bags when I go later this month.

http://maroonedinmarin.blogspot.com/2010/10/one-nation-of-commies-unions-other.html

writer said:
all these communist scum

NORBIT said:
this CONTRIVED Hate-Fest

juan said:
commie” Rally

Bill Mahwer said:
a lot of these people had some drug induced numbers

juan said:
Just a partial list of the lefty loons

dhg said:
So many people,so low IQs.

LibertySister said:
This crowd looks like a few people might get knifed…
I guess this rally really pulls out our nations rejects!
These are the Obama voters! and these are the faces of the liberals on this site….

BR said:
Poor liberals. They just suck at everything

notsofast said:
Thanks libs, you showed America what a bunch of pathetic government ticks you are.

newzmaker said:
Paid for, I’m sure, from ’stimulus’ funds to the Unions, courtesy of the employed taxpayers.

Azarkhan said:
Since your lips are glued to black ass, you tell us.

ladyruth54 said:
they were paid by their Unions

timzank said:
Why are socialists such slobs? Oh yeah, I forgot, they have no respect for other people or their property.

buzzyboop said:
the amount of trash left by today’s loons

After weeks of pounding on liberals for painting the Tea Party with one broad brush, the very same people come out of the woodwork today to paint all liberals with the same brush, loaded with insults, demeaning language, and a disdain for their fellow citizens that is beyond grotesque. And not one of the moderate conservatives, who demand reasonable liberals disassociate themselves from our own instigators, have said a single thing to rein these people in.

CosmosDan is the ONLY person I’ve seen consistently go after both sides, and impressively so. He shames me at times. But I refuse to unilaterally disarm in the face of this constant barrage of dehumanizing rhetoric from the right. As nasty as you can be, is as nasty as anyone can be. If that’s the world we want, then, by all means, keep at it. But don’t delude yourselves into thinking you’re making an edifying contribution of ANY kind.

Hey Westlake, all I pointed out is that they are slobs. Do you leave all your trash in the park too?

armwood said:
Excellent points, good to see a thoughtful person posting here among the wasteland of airhead ditto heads.

THIS is the kind of stuff I really enjoy. Thanks ‘armwood’ for pointing out what a ‘thoughtful persons’ post looks like.

And btw…. you might want to supervise your keyboard better cuz some ‘airhead ditto head’ was posting under your name…..

armwood said:
good American’s who believe in American values unlike the Tea Party crowd who have no concept of our values and what makes America a unique nation in the world.

armwood said:
The low 1Qs are in the Tea Party crowd who support Sarah Palin and Carl Paladino. If you think that crowd is more intelligent than the Obama & Clinton crowd you need to look into a mirror.

armwood said:
The Tea Party and American conservatives are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

armwood said:
Americans will look back and be ashamed of the positions taken by right wing fear and hate mongers today. They are on the wrong side of history.

armwood said:
Let’s at try and be honest here. The left of center crowd has not engaged in this type of dishonest behavior.

WOW. I mean WOW. “LET’S TRY AND BE HONEST HERE”??? Really? My first thought was “GEEZ…NEVER HEARD OF ALAN GRAYSON”? but here’s and EVEN BETTER example that these pukes never apologized for.

ThinkProgress put out a completely bogus video to “prove racism in the tea party” and all it was was known crashers pretending to be RWE’s and acting like idiots. And guess what? The Tea Party folks ran him off but but but (of course) the ThinkProgress video didn’t show that part.

Get your head out of you ass.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/stephen-glass-redux-thinkprogress-org-publishes-completely-fraudulent-video-labeling-tea-partiers-racists/
___________________________

My favorite quote above included THIS comment…

“If you think that crowd is more intelligent than the Obama & Clinton crowd you need to look into a mirror”

LMAO!! WTF does that even MEAN?? Good Grief!

“airhead’ indeed….

Paul Westlake said:
But I refuse to unilaterally disarm in the face of this constant barrage of dehumanizing rhetoric from the right

Is there anything more ridiculous than a righteous commie?

timzank said:
Hey Westlake, all I pointed out is that they are slobs. Do you leave all your trash in the park too?

Yeah, then you said:

timzank said:
…they have no respect for other people or their property.

Nice, broad brush with attendant judgment call. No, you did more than just call the crowd slobs.

Azarkhan said:
Is there anything more ridiculous than a righteous commie?

Remind me why anyone should take you seriously?

Azarkhan said:
Is there anything more ridiculous than a righteous commie?

Don’t get Westlake agitated, he’ll spill his latte on his Che shirt and things will get ugly.

timzank said:
Don’t get Westlake agitated, he’ll spill his latte on his Che shirt and things will get ugly.

See above

timzank said:
Don’t get Westlake agitated, he’ll spill his latte on his Che shirt and things will get ugly.

LOL. While he’s sitting at Starbucks fighting the fascist foe via his laptop.

[sigh]

CosmosDan said:
AND? free bus, free lunch, free t shirt is not being paid to be there is it? Which is what Gordon said.but since you brought it up http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/24/glenn-beck-rally/ aside from bus rides from political groups there’s this Beck’s insistence that “Restoring Honor” isn’t political is not simply a public relations effort. Funding for the event is provided by an organization called the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, which is a 501 (c)(3) tax-exempt, federally registered charity. In order for that charity to preserve its tax-exempt status, the “Restoring Honor” rally must be non-political. Perhaps Beck’s message this weekend will not be political — but the right-wing is clearly coordinating the rally. and then had Michelle Bachman speak after Beck so he could maintain his claim.

Here’s the difference: the people who attended Glenn Beck’s event were jjust ordinary people who decided to go there. Any t-shirts they got, they bought. Same with the lunches. The people who attended the “One Nation” rally included many union members. http://www.onenationworkingtogether.org/partners

If you were to take a guess, do you think that Union’s might have a say in what their members do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWlqiv-YL7c

That guy seems pretty adamant in claiming that “nobody’s getting paid.” If you look at the signs, you can tell that they were all written by the same person. Also, the fact that all the people are pretty clueless as to what they’re doing there. So what does their boss do? He steers them away from Breitbart. That guy’s name is Eugene Winkler, which you should know if you watch the whole video. What can we find out about Eugene Winkler?

If you Google “Eugene Winkler”, on the 7th page of results, you’ll find an article that describes him as “the Rev. Eugene Winkler, a gambling opponent who serves on the Illinois Gaming Board. ”

What is a reverend doing on the Illinois Gaming Board?

Also, check out his Linked-In profile: “Current

* Interim Pastor at University Church
Connections
6 connections
Industry
Non-Profit Organization Management ”

and on page 11 of the results, we see that he’s a signatory for the SEIU:
http://www.seiu.org/2010/01/an-open-letter-to-president-barack-obama-and-members-of-the-us-senate-and-house-of-representatives-i.php

Also, check out this link for more interesting tidbits.

http://www.foundingbloggers.com/wordpress/2010/09/breitbart-forces-president-obamas-protesters-to-fold-up-shop-at-right-nation-2010/

I could list more examples of union strong-arm tactics, if you want.

I didn’t appreciate Michelle Bachmann doing that, but what does Glenn have to do with that? He said that no politicians currently holding a public office would be there at Restoring Honor. There was nothing political at all at the rally besides Sarah Palin’s veiled remark about fundamentally restoring America instead of fundamentally transforming America, which I didn’t appreciate either.

Paul Westlake said:
After weeks of pounding on liberals for painting the Tea Party with one broad brush, the very same people come out of the woodwork today to paint all liberals with the same brush, loaded with insults, demeaning language, and a disdain for their fellow citizens that is beyond grotesque. And not one of the moderate conservatives, who demand reasonable liberals disassociate themselves from our own instigators, have said a single thing to rein these people in. CosmosDan is the ONLY person I’ve seen consistently go after both sides, and impressively so. He shames me at times. But I refuse to unilaterally disarm in the face of this constant barrage of dehumanizing rhetoric from the right. As nasty as you can be, is as nasty as anyone can be. If that’s the world we want, then, by all means, keep at it. But don’t delude yourselves into thinking you’re making an edifying contribution of ANY kind.

Did I miss something Paul? Have YOU ‘reigned in’ any of the leftgwingers? I’ve seen Dan do it and he should be commended but but but…. I don’t recall seeing YOU chastise anyone.

And btw… those quotes you pulled are pretty mild so…. “as nasty as anybody can be” is a bit much, dontchathink? “They were paid by their unions” is not exactly sulfuric acid.

Shall I return the favor? I already pulled some good stuff from JUST ONE leftwing jerk which YOU had ignored. I’m sure there’s plenty more RIGHT HERE ON THIS THREAD that YOU never said BOO about.

And btw… I DO CONDEMN THE VITRIOL but but but I don’t feel compelled to comment on insults to socialists and communists as IMO they are deserved so… if the shoe doesn’t fit then don’t put it on.

Paul Westlake said:
Remind me why anyone should take you seriously?

I know. We should take this guy seriously, though.

chucken said:
Beck is a fucking uneducated no background in anything morning zoo shock jock that a small portion of the US population that is dumb as shit think makes sense.He is all smear and fear.If Beck was serious he would invite and demand that his critics come on his show and debate there evil progressive cancer views.Of course he won’t because he is a fraud.BTW were is the red phone to the White House?Anyone who takes this asshole Beck as a serious person is as close to braindead as possible.

That was the most intelligent comment I’ve read all day.

Calvin is partly right. Unions use strong-arm tactics all the time. Union leadership doesn’t like having their authority challenged any more than any other authority figures. But the flaw in decrying their organizing tactics is that the organizing is precisely the reason the union exists in the first place. Yes, they pool their resources and bus people in, because they can’t all fly there in Tony Hayward’s private jet, for instance. Union workers rely on their leadership for that organizing function. Most of them don’t have domestic help taking care of the kids, etc, like most of their executive opponents (the Meg Whitmans of the world), so they NEED that extra boost provided by the organizing skills of unions.

Ironically, I may be the only person commenting on these boards to have actually faced down Teamsters on the job. So trust me when I say I’m no union lover. But without them, we’d be in MUCH worse shape today.

Calvin said:
Paul Westlake said:
Remind me why anyone should take you seriously?
I know. We should take this guy seriously, though.
chucken said:
Beck is a fucking uneducated no background in anything morning zoo shock jock that a small portion of the US population that is dumb as shit think makes sense.He is all smear and fear.If Beck was serious he would invite and demand that his critics come on his show and debate there evil progressive cancer views.Of course he won’t because he is a fraud.BTW were is the red phone to the White House?Anyone who takes this asshole Beck as a serious person is as close to braindead as possible.
That was the most intelligent comment I’ve read all day.

Just to be clear, Paul said the “take you seriously” comment in response to Azarkhan’s comment, not to me:

Azarkhan said:
Paul Westlake said:
But I refuse to unilaterally disarm in the face of this constant barrage of dehumanizing rhetoric from the right
Is there anything more ridiculous than a righteous commie?

Azarkhan said:
Since your lips are glued to black ass

And you said you were going to seek help with your erotic dreams

FearMonger said:
Did I miss something Paul? Have YOU ‘reigned in’ any of the leftgwingers? I’ve seen Dan do it and he should be commended but but but…. I don’t recall seeing YOU chastise anyone.

And btw… those quotes you pulled are pretty mild so…. “as nasty as anybody can be” is a bit much, dontchathink? “They were paid by their unions” is not exactly sulfuric acid.

Shall I return the favor? I already pulled some good stuff from JUST ONE leftwing jerk which YOU had ignored. I’m sure there’s plenty more RIGHT HERE ON THIS THREAD that YOU never said BOO about.

And btw… I DO CONDEMN THE VITRIOL but but but I don’t feel compelled to comment on insults to socialists and communists as IMO they are deserved so… if the shoe doesn’t fit then don’t put it on.

I made that point when I mentioned CosmosDan. No, I didn’t and I explained that I’m not unilaterally disarming when most of the very people who ride lefties over that point (the ones on the list) are hypocritical crybabies, deriding liberals with one brush and then crying foul when it happens on the other side. I think you’ll notice that I have refrained from drawing with such a broad brush. Sometimes my shorthand has gotten me trouble, but I always back off when it’s pointed out. But the difference is that, I haven’t really seen people like Ted make the same complaints as the people I quoted above. Ted gives as good as he gets, but he doesn’t cry about it the way these righties do. THAT’S the point. Live by the sword, die by the sword – fine. But don’t whine about it when you get your feelings hurt (and I mean the collective “you, ” not YOU). ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
Ironically, I may be the only person commenting on these boards to have actually faced down Teamsters on the job. So trust me when I say I’m no union lover. But without them, we’d be in MUCH worse shape today.

Unions members themselves are not inherently bad. More often it’s the union leaders who are the troublemakers. Unions are important, sometimes.

Calvin said:
That was the most intelligent comment I’ve read all day.

No disagreement on that comment. See my comment to FM for clarification.

Calvin said:
Calvin said:
Paul Westlake said:
Remind me why anyone should take you seriously?
I know. We should take this guy seriously, though.
chucken said:
Beck is a fucking uneducated no background in anything morning zoo shock jock that a small portion of the US population that is dumb as shit think makes sense.He is all smear and fear.If Beck was serious he would invite and demand that his critics come on his show and debate there evil progressive cancer views.Of course he won’t because he is a fraud.BTW were is the red phone to the White House?Anyone who takes this asshole Beck as a serious person is as close to braindead as possible.
That was the most intelligent comment I’ve read all day.

Just to be clear, Paul said the “take you seriously” comment in response to Azarkhan’s comment, not to me:

Azarkhan said:
Paul Westlake said:
But I refuse to unilaterally disarm in the face of this constant barrage of dehumanizing rhetoric from the right
Is there anything more ridiculous than a righteous commie?

All good. ;-)

Calvin said:
Just to be clear, Paul said the “take you seriously” comment in response to Azarkhan’s comment, not to me:

Hey, stop trying to curry favor with Paul! Once people like him are in charge, it will be reeducation camps for all of us.

Calvin said:
Unions members themselves are not inherently bad. More often it’s the union leaders who are the troublemakers. Unions are important, sometimes.

Exactly. Union reform is desperately needed. I can’t stand the Transit Workers Union in NYC. But without them, the subways would actually be even worse. It’s ALWAYS their leadership the screws things up, usually because of a very personal corruption and greed.

Azarkhan said:
Hey, stop trying to curry favor with Paul! Once people like him are in charge, it will be reeducation camps for all of us.

Like anyone would EVER put me in charge. LOL

And no, not for everyone… just for YOU, Az!

MUUHAHAHAHAHAHA

Azarkhan said:
Hey, stop trying to curry favor with Paul! Once people like him are in charge, it will be reeducation camps for all of us.

I’m not. Just making sure he didn’t think I was under the impression that he said that to me. Although, coming from Paul, I would have taken it as a compliment.

These reeducation camps you speak of are already here. They’re called public universities.

Lurker said:
^

Moron alert!

Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public and tend to be Republican, white, male and married, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html

Sarah Palin, Carl Paladino Christine O’Donnell more educated? Palin changed colleges 4 times in four years. The people who follow her are morons. Paladino went toa law school ranked 88 in the USA. Obviously he was not that bright and O’Donnell, nothing needs to be said about her and what about Sharon Angle? I take Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton every day. Harvard Law School and Yale Law School. Your position is laughable. The people who follow the Tea Party are not bright.

Paul Westlake said:
CosmosDan is the ONLY person I’ve seen consistently go after both sides, and impressively so. He shames me at times. But I refuse to unilaterally disarm in the face of this constant barrage of dehumanizing rhetoric from the right. As nasty as you can be

Calvin said:
I know. We should take this guy seriously, though.

chucken said:
Beck is a fucking uneducated no background in anything morning zoo shock jock that a small portion of the US population that is dumb as shit think makes sense.He is all smear and fear.If Beck was serious he would invite and demand that his critics come on his show and debate there evil progressive cancer views.Of course he won’t because he is a fraud.BTW were is the red phone to the White House?Anyone who takes this asshole Beck as a serious person is as close to braindead as possible.

That was the most intelligent comment I’ve read all day.

this one is better

Azarkhan said:
Azarkhan said: I thought white leftist’s liked black c**k. They certainly kiss it and bend over enough for it.

So white leftist , you don’t like black cock? Just a simple yes or no will do.

glenn113 said:
The big insurance companies will be laughing all the way to the bank.

I don’t know about the banks, but I am laughing at what you wrote.

right-is-wrong said:
this one is better
Azarkhan said:
Azarkhan said: I thought white leftist’s liked black c**k. They certainly kiss it and bend over enough for it.
So white leftist , you don’t like black cock? Just a simple yes or no will do.

Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, the Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

CosmosDan said:
I always fail to see how people making a remark like this can really see themselves as morally or intellectually superior. Doesn’t the nature of the comment display the exact characteristics you’re criticizing?

Tea Party candidates engage in and support racism as in Carl Paladino and Sarah Palin. Both of these Tea Party people are obviously morally inferior to the average decent American. Listen to Palin, Paladino and O’Donnell speak. You cannot spot their intellectual weakness? Gosh that is scary.

The Real Royal King said:
Damn liberal liars.

You are correct, sir.

LibsFailAtLife said:
yeah but they thought they were getting a ride to roscoes

That is an ignorant racist comment. This is typical of Tea Party conservatives. This is just what I am talking about. No intelligent person would make an ignorant comment like the quote above. This is the behavior of an undeveloped mind who actually is dumb enough to think he is actually funny. In reality he is pathetic.

Azarkhan said:
Since your lips are glued to black ass, you tell us.

AP: Organizers claimed they had as many participants as Beck’s rally. But Saturday’s crowds were less dense and didn’t reach as far to the edges as they did during Beck’s rally.

Another ignorant racist comment. How dumb can some people be? How pathetic

armwood said:
Sarah Palin, Carl Paladino Christine O’Donnell more educated? Palin changed colleges 4 times in four years. The people who follow her are morons. Paladino went toa law school ranked 88 in the USA. Obviously he was not that bright and O’Donnell, nothing needs to be said about her and what about Sharon Angle? I take Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton every day. Harvard Law School and Yale Law School. Your position is laughable. The people who follow the Tea Party are not bright.

You’re on to something here dude… I don’t even know who “Barak Obama” is. Is he related to Barack Obama?
I’m especially underwhelmed by the fact that “Paladino went toa law school ranked 88 in the USA.” By the way, your sentence structure is absolutely impeccable. If I’m not mistaken, you have a master’s degree in English. I’ll bet you graduated magna cum laude. Admit it. You’re the smartest guy in the room when you’re in a room by yourself, aren’t you?

armwood said:
Another ignorant racist comment

Gosh, I feel awful! BTW, nice shirt and tie, but lose the sweater. You look like a bookkeeper.

nrgetick said:
Wait a minute, I thought ACORN was the one who stole elections,,.,lol,

Correct, ACORN is pure slime.

FearMonger said:
THIS is the kind of stuff I really enjoy. Thanks ‘armwood’ for pointing out what a ‘thoughtful persons’ post looks like.

And btw…. you might want to supervise your keyboard better cuz some ‘airhead ditto head’ was posting under your name…..

WOW. I mean WOW. “LET’S TRY AND BE HONEST HERE”??? Really? My first thought was “GEEZ…NEVER HEARD OF ALAN GRAYSON”? but here’s and EVEN BETTER example that these pukes never apologized for.

ThinkProgress put out a completely bogus video to “prove racism in the tea party” and all it was was known crashers pretending to be RWE’s and acting like idiots. And guess what? The Tea Party folks ran him off but but but (of course) the ThinkProgress video didn’t show that part.

Get your head out of you ass.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/stephen-glass-redux-thinkprogress-org-publishes-completely-fraudulent-video-labeling-tea-partiers-racists/
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My favorite quote above included THIS comment…

“If you think that crowd is more intelligent than the Obama & Clinton crowd you need to look into a mirror”

LMAO!! WTF does that even MEAN?? Good Grief!

“airhead’ indeed….

What it means is that there is no moral equivalency between the American left and right. The right wing Tea Party movement is openly exposing racism. Palin Paladino, Paul et al. These people arre both immoral and un-American. If you cannot see this something is wrong with you. Study history, this is a dangerous time in America. Conservatives are refusing to denounce their bigots and homophobes. I have not seen one conservative here denounce Palin’s support of using the N word, Paladino’s racists emails or Ran Paul’s support for removing the open accommodation provisions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The behavior of the right in America right now is despicable, un-patriotic and un-American. I stand by what I have said because it is the truth and you know it.

Azarkhan said:
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, the Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

We can get along.
that was good.

Love to hear you when you bring facts.

armwood said:
good American’s who believe in American values unlike the Tea Party crowd who have no concept of our values and what makes America a unique nation in the world.

A completely asinine statement

Calvin said:
You’re on to something here dude… I don’t even know who “Barak Obama” is. Is he related to Barack Obama?
I’m especially underwhelmed by the fact that “Paladino went toa law school ranked 88 in the USA.” By the way, your sentence structure is absolutely impeccable. If I’m not mistaken, you have a master’s degree in English. I’ll bet you graduated magna cum laude. Admit it. You’re the smartest guy in the room when you’re in a room by yourself, aren’t you?

I have a J.D. by the way from a much higher ranked school than Paladino went to but I cannot type well. Duh! I make typos. When I went to school there were no keyboard classes. I hunt and peck. There is no editing feature on this site.

How about you dealing with the substance of my comments if you dare!

armwood said:
Study history, this is a dangerous time in America

We agree on that. The danger comes from the left-wing extremist Democratic Party. But not to worry. In the next two elections we’ll toss them out of office.

Patrick Henry said:
A completely asinine statement

Prove it! Dispute what I said instead of just labeling it.

armwood said:
That is a tactic engaged in by the Fox Network and the right wing thugs who dishonestly defamed Acorn and Shirley Sherrod. These are right wing tactics. Let’s at try and be honest here. The left of center crowd has not engaged in this type of dishonest behavior.

You are delusional, but funny.

Patrick Henry said:
Correct, ACORN is pure slime.

Duh! An investigation cleared them of any wrong doing. Do you follow the news?

armwood said:
Prove it! Dispute what I said instead of just labeling it.

You prove it!

Patrick Henry said:
You prove it!

Coward! Obviously you cannot dispute it or you wild try. How pathetic.

glenn113 said:
It’s a shame the Tea Party people are being used by big corporate interests and are to dumb to even know it.

The Real Royal King said:
At the Beckerhead Revival I counted 329,742,591 people, excluding the Beckerhead, and today I counted 14 people, including the speakers. Damn liberal liars.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Caution: Angry Teaturd Alert!

homie said:
Some douchebag sez: “did the CIA task a satellite specifically to get photos of all these communist scum?”
It doesn’t get much more anti-American than that.
“One Nation Working Together” Sure…(minus the Teabag Taliban.)
Looks you losers won’t be taking either house of Congress after all. So much for the Teabag Taliban Tsunami.
New rule: All Tea-Tards Talibani will be drafted commencing November 3rd.
Time for the armchair-warrior authoritarians go fight their direct competition in Afpak in person. Put them out front.
Its their turn to fight…

homie said:
Black people attended. Wondered where they’ve been.
Certainly weren’t any present in the I’ve Got a Scheme/Buy Overpriced Gold R Us herd.
OK, there were nine, counting Uncle Tom and Ron Christie.

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Wow. Even some racism thrown in for good measure. Did you call out any of this Paul? Did I miss it? At least Dan said something to that ‘armwood’ joker. As I was reading I came across this…

LibsFailAtLife said:
yeah but they thought they were getting a ride to roscoes

I believe this is a reference to an ongoing ‘chicken and waffles’ joke that I never ‘got’ as I never heard of Roscoes and it was in response to a racist comment by ‘homie’ but but but…. that’s the kind of shit that lowers the bar for all of us when we REALLY SHOULD be striving to lift the tone of the rhetoric out of the gutter.

I know I’m just as guilty as most (not all) and I agree with Paul about this….

Paul Westlake said:
I refuse to unilaterally disarm in the face of this constant barrage of dehumanizing rhetoric

Like I said before, 2000-2008 changed my perspective in many ways. I saw how far people are willing to stoop for purely political reasons. Even now we have a sitting POTUS who never misses and opportunity to demonize so…. I say LIVE BY THE GOLDEN RULE OR REAP THE WHIRLWIND.

While I would prefer a ‘kinder, gentler’ discourse, I play the hand that’s dealt. Tell BO to stop blaming (R) for the failures that HIS OWN PARTY opposed him on and MAYBE he will get better treatment from ‘the right’. I mean really… there was a BIPARTISAN MAJORITY that wanted to extend the Bush tax-cuts for ALL AMERICANS so…. why did they adjourn? What good could come from leaving such uncertainty looming? January 1st is right around the corner.

Sound like PARTISAN POLITICS? You bet it does. Par for the course these days but but but…. WHO ARE THE REAL PARTISANS? From what I’ve seen (R) have had BIPARTISAN SUPPORT in their opposition on every issue. Now you have (D)’s running re-election ads touting their “NO” vote to the HC Bill. They talk cash shit about Pelosi, Reid, and Obama and yet REPUBLICANS

armwood said:
Duh! An investigation cleared them of any wrong doing. Do you follow the news?

Duh! If you really believe ACORN is above board and legitimate, you are a bigger idiot than I first supposed. Mr. Wood.

are to blame.

Right.

armwood said:
Coward! Obviously you cannot dispute it or you wild try. How pathetic

Coward! Obviously you cannot dispute what I said or you wild try. How pathetic

Patrick Henry said:
Duh! If you really believe ACORN is above board and legitimate, you are a bigger idiot than I first supposed. Mr. Wood.

I see you are in a good mood tonight.

I see know conservatives have the courage to address the racism of Palin, Paladino and Paul. I am out!

armwood said:
Duh! An investigation cleared them of any wrong doing

Investigated by who? Eric Holders Justice Department? The same department that discriminates against whites? LOL.

armwood said:
I have a J.D. by the way from a much higher ranked school than Paladino went to but I cannot type well. Duh! I make typos. When I went to school there were no keyboard classes. I hunt and peck. There is no editing feature on this site.
How about you dealing with the substance of my comments if you dare!

Well well another lib hiding behind a phony name claiming some educational achievement that can’t be proven. Just bull from a bullshit artist. LOL.

armwood said:
I see know conservatives have the courage to address the racism of Palin, Paladino and Paul. I am out!

There is no racism with Palin, Paladino, and Paul. Try to think of something new, that charge is really getting old, Mr. Wood.

CosmosDan said:
Actually there are several rallies going on today across the country as well

Where?

My husband I were actually at the One Nation rally and were impressed at the huge numbers of people there, in and around the mall, with messages like HOPE NOT HATE and the like. Of course they got there without the Koch monies and the dickarmey buses, and many aren’t retired golfplayers on vacation. So perhaps there were fewer than the ultramillions fox claimed for glenelmergantry’s gathering last month. The speeches at the ONrally were inspiring and original, especially Harry Belafonte’s (wish he’d sung, too, but alas, no) I’m proud to have been there, even thou no doves rose to the heavens signaling glenbeck as a … oh, sorry, off point! I’m proud to be a liberal/progressive American. Sorry for those of you on here who seem to relish snark. It’s nice to be nice, folks.

Poor, fat Ed Schultz…./even with the unions, code pinkO, tree huggers, the america socialist party, the american commie party and every other pos scum that LOUD Mouth Ed Schultz could align himself with and the guy still couldn’t come close to as many people as Beck and Sarah brought to Washington DC. Seriously there was supposed to be 400 different groups show up today…did each one only bring 3 or 4 people. Why MSNBC continues to put up with people like Ed Schultz is beyond common sense.

right-is-wrong said:
Patrick Henry said:
Duh! If you really believe ACORN is above board and legitimate, you are a bigger idiot than I first supposed. Mr. Wood.

I see you are in a good mood tonight.

Ha! RIW, I was in a great mood until I got home and turned on my laptop. I checked this site and see some Peckerwood making outrageous comments. Time to watch some football. I hope you are having a good evening.

Paul Westlake said:
Live by the sword, die by the sword – fine. But don’t whine about it when you get your feelings hurt

Agreed. It doesn’t matter anyway. There’s always some asshole in here who is more than happy to hit below the belt. It’s a lot easier to call people stupid….

armwood said:
The people who follow her are morons

armwood said:
Obviously he was not that bright

armwood said:
Your position is laughable. The people who follow the Tea Party are not bright.

armwood said:
You cannot spot their intellectual weakness?

armwood said:
That is an ignorant racist comment. This is typical of Tea Party conservatives.

You wanna know what’s ‘typical’?….. the pot calling the kettle black. When you say ‘this is typical of Tea Party conservatives’ you prove yourself to be a bigot. And not only a bigot…. but a deluded one.

armwood said:
If you cannot see this something is wrong with you

armwood said:
it is the truth and you know it.

felixw said:
These photos will allow you to compare the size of the turnout:

Beck’s rally:
http://protectliberty.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/GlennBeck-Rally.jpg

One Nation Working Together Rally:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/slideshow/ALeqM5icsuVv08fYW2-G7Ql3ysjyh4CkTgD9IJOTI81?docId=D9IJOTI81&index=5

Looks like Beck wins by an enormous margin.

ha ha So if it is that cut and clear, then why did you choose to use two photographs with discriminatory vantage points,*(birds-eye view/ standing linear perspective), as a relative basis for declaring such an enormous consensus margin of victory. Your methods are misleading at best. You still got some catching up to do with Joseph Sean Hannity Goebbels and his strategy of just flat out swapping photographs of previous, larger rallies, which he uses to emphasize the days unchanging faux news narrative/mythology.
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Whether the progressive march today had more numbers than the conservative rally,….beats me, but if you take these marches and gatherings into historical context, everything becomes clear. The opposition always holds the loudest megaphone. Patriotism is that metaphysical force that not only directs our understanding of liberty and freedom, but also more importantly, it is the desire and emotional response that incites the greater aspect of ourselves to combat the complacency,injustices, and tyranny of the status quo. This spirit of freedom and democracy has always been at the forefront of our national consciousness and serves as a catalyst for inspiring individual thought and mobilizing collaborative action. You can be fighting for immigration rights,states rights,civil rights, big govt, big buisness,war,bailouts,,etc.,, it doesn’t matter! Liberty and freedom surpass partisan dogma.

Calvin said:
I know you were talking to Gordon, but here you go.
http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2010/09/27/astroturf-thousands-given-free-bus-rides-by-unions-naacp-to-one-nation-rally/

Cosmo, I guess Calvin took care of you on that. LOL.

armwood said:
I have a J.D. by the way from a much higher ranked school than Paladino

WoooooooHooooooo! I agree with Shakespeare about lawyers. Now, on to football.

nellpost said:
My husband I were actually at the One Nation rally and were impressed at the huge numbers of people there, in and around the mall, with messages like HOPE NOT HATE and the like. Of course they got there without the Koch monies and the dickarmey buses, and many aren’t retired golfplayers on vacation. So perhaps there were fewer than the ultramillions fox claimed for glenelmergantry’s gathering last month. The speeches at the ONrally were inspiring and original, especially Harry Belafonte’s (wish he’d sung, too, but alas, no) I’m proud to have been there, even thou no doves rose to the heavens signaling glenbeck as a … oh, sorry, off point! I’m proud to be a liberal/progressive American. Sorry for those of you on here who seem to relish snark. It’s nice to be nice, folks.

Sure wish y’all had cleaned up on your way out.

Patrick Henry said:
Ha! RIW, I was in a great mood until I got home and turned on my laptop. I checked this site and see some Peckerwood making outrageous comments. Time to watch some football. I hope you are having a good evening.

You gave me a good laugh.
Doing well.

Patrick Henry said:
WoooooooHooooooo! I agree with Shakespeare about lawyers. Now, on to football.

Obviously you never read the whole quote. He said if you want a tyranny kill the lawyers first. Jeez.

armwood said:
I have a J.D. by the way from a much higher ranked school than Paladino went to but I cannot type well. Duh! I make typos. When I went to school there were no keyboard classes. I hunt and peck. There is no editing feature on this site. How about you dealing with the substance of my comments if you dare!

I absolutely believe that you have a J.D. from a much higher ranked school than Paladino went to. Why wouldn’t I believe you? You’re on the internet, which only smart people can get on. In fact, a smart person is helping me use the internet right now. I’m a stupid Tea Party person, so I require assistance from smart people like you when I want to use the internet.

Anyways, any liberal/progressive who has integrity can see that these sort of attacks have no merit. Like CosmosDan, for example.

“Perhaps the greatest threat of all is the undermining of our Constitution and the systematic attacks against the inalienable rights of the citizens of this nation. Rights that are guaranteed by our Constitution. At the vanguard of this insidious attack is the Tea Party. This band of misguided citizens is moving perilously close to achieving villainous ends.”

Harry Belafonte

Spoken like a true Communist.

glenn113 said:
It’s a shame the Tea Party people are being used by big corporate interests and are to dumb to even know it.

While I disagree with your idiotic remark, you should be aware that ALL those whom attended the 8/28 rally did so of their own volition, whereas a good many of those in attendance today were compelled to do so by the thugs who run their unions. Also, given the sponsors at the 10-2-10 rally, one could hardly say it was a pro-America event…pro-entitlement event maybe, or pro-communism event most assuredly, but NOT pro-American.

Oh, and I saw quite a few “professional victims” at the restoring communism rally–what kind of gathering would be complete without the professional victims?

For all the pinkos who couldn’t make the rally today, you can jerk off to this:

Proud Socialists March at Left-Wing Protest in DC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkw7n9Qagu8&feature=player_embedded

armwood said:
What it means is that there is no moral equivalency between the American left and right. The right wing Tea Party movement is openly exposing racism. Palin Paladino, Paul et al. These people arre both immoral and un-American. If you cannot see this something is wrong with you. Study history, this is a dangerous time in America. Conservatives are refusing to denounce their bigots and homophobes. I have not seen one conservative here denounce Palin’s support of using the N word, Paladino’s racists emails or Ran Paul’s support for removing the open accommodation provisions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The behavior of the right in America right now is despicable, un-patriotic and un-American. I stand by what I have said because it is the truth and you know it.

armwood said:
I have a J.D. by the way from a much higher ranked school than Paladino went to but I cannot type well. Duh! I make typos. When I went to school there were no keyboard classes. I hunt and peck. There is no editing feature on this site.

How about you dealing with the substance of my comments if you dare!

armwood said:
I see know conservatives have the courage to address the racism of Palin, Paladino and Paul. I am out!

Since you’re so smart, I’m sure you realized that you failed to actually articulate what happened in each of these cases and why exactly they are racist. Since you are of course fully aware that you haven’t provided any real context nor have you provided any ‘substance’, I’m sure that you will summarily offer more than the mere statement of racism that you have so far.

I am operating under the assumption, though, that someone who has obtained a J.D. from a college ranked higher than 88th certainly has enough intelligence to grasp that the above referenced comments do not offer anything substantive that would even begin to allow any kind of real discourse to take place. If I’m not crediting you with more intelligence than you deserve, then the only conclusion that can be rationally reached is that you have purposely failed to adequately define the basis of your position in order to make any thoughtful disagreement impossible. I hesitate to demean the adjective ‘sophmoric’ by using it to describe such a base tactic. So I’ll just give the benefit of the doubt here and allow you this opportunity to actually state an argument instead of making claims.

Considering their public school education I doubt if they can count that high much less count accurately.

felixw said:
.

My advice to the Left: If you want to put a stop to Glenn Beck, start reporting honestly, and his audience will shrink.

That’s right! Stop setting people straight. Start telling lies about Obama and his family, start telling lies claiming Obama is a socialist, starting telling lies that he wasn’t born in America, start telling lies that every single evil group was forged by the left of America, start telling lies that ALL criticism of Obama is based on his policies and that racism doesn’t exist in America, Start telling lies that the tea party has NO racist elements, start telling lies that ALL Muslims are terrorists, start telling lies that everything was okay during the Bush administration then everything went bad during the Obama administration.
Do all that and more and you’ll repeat the success of the right, more ratings, more viewers, more readers and more racist, bigot, intolerant Americans. Good luck.

gordonbloyershow said:
Well well another lib hiding behind a phony name claiming some educational achievement that can’t be proven. Just bull from a bullshit artist. LOL.

Hey Gordo Blowhard, until you start calling out your fellow NeoCon RWers on here about using phony names all you look like is a complete hypocritcal jackass.

FearMonger said:
The Tea Party folks ran him off but but but (of course) the ThinkProgress video didn’t show that part.

I won’t defend Think Progress, but “racist #2″ sure seemed a lot more like a white supremacist than a Soros stooge. He stuck to his lines just like one would expect from Mr. Race-pure. I’ve commented on commendable actions like these at Tea Party events before, and I’ll agree that they seem to have gotten the memo on the bigotry, at least as far as the crowd goes. But their candidates still have ghastly ideas, from Rand segregation-is-a-business-decision Paul, to Sharon privatize-social-security Angle, to Carl who-needs-medicaid Paladino, to Christine abstinence-only O’Donnell, and all of them anti-tax, anti-regulation zealots who will just make the economy even worse. My argument with the Tea Party has always been that they’re not supporting the kind of people they think they are. These candidates are mostly bad news bears – extreme cultural and economic ideologues that will only drive America deeper into recession and back to the future.

the real john t said:
Hey Gordo Blowhard, until you start calling out your fellow NeoCon RWers on here about using phony names all you look like is a complete hypocritcal jackass.

When those NeoCon RWers start attacking me and calling me names or telling lies I will. You are hypocritical jackass everytime you tell another lie about me and I post a video that proves that you are a liar hiding behind a phony name. Now go play with your crayons.

C.Moore said:
That’s right! Stop setting people straight. Start telling lies about Obama and his family, start telling lies claiming Obama is a socialist, starting telling lies that he wasn’t born in America, start telling lies that every single evil group was forged by the left of America, start telling lies that ALL criticism of Obama is based on his policies and that racism doesn’t exist in America, Start telling lies that the tea party has NO racist elements, start telling lies that ALL Muslims are terrorists, start telling lies that everything was okay during the Bush administration then everything went bad during the Obama administration.
Do all that and more and you’ll repeat the success of the right, more ratings, more viewers, more readers and more racist, bigot, intolerant Americans. Good luck.

Or just start reporting honestly that the Obama administration hasn’t rolled back any of the Bush abuses of power. It’s expanded upon them. What campaign promises has Obama really kept? This isn’t about us vs. them partisanship, no matter how well that rhetoric works for both of the political parties and all of the media. The main problem with the Bush regime was that you couldn’t trust them. Obama ran as an honest politican, and he’s proven to anyone who’s willing to look at things honestly that he’s no different than Bush in that respect. Their ideologies are just different. Washington hasn’t changed at all, and Obama hasn’t done anything to clean it up. In fact, he’s only exacerbated the “divide” between the 2 parties.

atreyue said:
armwood said:
I have a J.D. by the way from a much higher ranked school than Paladino went to but I cannot type well. Duh! I make typos. When I went to school there were no keyboard classes. I hunt and peck. There is no editing feature on this site.

How about you dealing with the substance of my comments if you dare!

Since you’re so smart, I’m sure you realized that you failed to actually articulate what happened in each of these cases and why exactly they are racist. Since you are of course fully aware that you haven’t provided any real context nor have you provided any ’substance’, I’m sure that you will summarily offer more than the mere statement of racism that you have so far.

I am operating under the assumption, though, that someone who has obtained a J.D. from a college ranked higher than 88th certainly has enough intelligence to grasp that the above referenced comments do not offer anything substantive that would even begin to allow any kind of real discourse to take place. If I’m not crediting you with more intelligence than you deserve, then the only conclusion that can be rationally reached is that you have purposely failed to adequately define the basis of your position in order to make any thoughtful disagreement impossible. I hesitate to demean the adjective ’sophmoric’ by using it to describe such a base tactic. So I’ll just give the benefit of the doubt here and allow you this opportunity to actually state an argument instead of making claims.

You know and have seen Paladino’s racist and misogynist emails, Palin’s support of Dr. Laura Schlessinger’s N-word rant and Rand Paul’s position on the 1964 Civil Rights act which i posted about above. Stop pretending that you don’t know exactly what I am talking about. The problem it seems to me is that you share their un-American beliefs.

armwood said:
Sarah Palin, Carl Paladino Christine O’Donnell more educated? Palin changed colleges 4 times in four years. The people who follow her are morons. Paladino went toa law school ranked 88 in the USA. Obviously he was not that bright and O’Donnell, nothing needs to be said about her and what about Sharon Angle? I take Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton every day. Harvard Law School and Yale Law School. Your position is laughable. The people who follow the Tea Party are not bright.

C.Moore said:
That’s right! Stop setting people straight. Start telling lies about Obama and his family, start telling lies claiming Obama is a socialist, starting telling lies that he wasn’t born in America, start telling lies that every single evil group was forged by the left of America, start telling lies that ALL criticism of Obama is based on his policies and that racism doesn’t exist in America, Start telling lies that the tea party has NO racist elements, start telling lies that ALL Muslims are terrorists, start telling lies that everything was okay during the Bush administration then everything went bad during the Obama administration.Do all that and more and you’ll repeat the success of the right, more ratings, more viewers, more readers and more racist, bigot, intolerant Americans. Good luck.

The 2 dumbest moronen of der nacht .

@C.moore—Aug 21,2008 Pennsylvania attorney Philip J Berg,DEMOCRAT and former deputy state attorney general filed a complaint alleging that Obama was bron in Kenya. Idont.

gordonbloyershow said:
When those NeoCon RWers start attacking me and calling me names or telling lies I will. You are hypocritical jackass everytime you tell another lie about me and I post a video that proves that you are a liar hiding behind a phony name. Now go play with your crayons.

I haven’t told any lies about you. You tell them all by yourself. Where did you learn your expertise of terrorism? Anyone can go on some two bit local tv station and claim things then start parroting what the real experts say. Where did you get your private investigators license from? You are a nobody and will always be a nobody no matter how much you lie and want people to think you’re somebody.

armwood said:
That is a tactic engaged in by the Fox Network and the right wing thugs who dishonestly defamed Acorn and Shirley Sherrod. These are right wing tactics. Let’s at try and be honest here. The left of center crowd has not engaged in this type of dishonest behavior.

geez you really are a loon. all those votes in the trunk that got franken elected in Minnesota. and your damn right we are going to try and supress the democratic dead vote AND all those ‘registered’ by the criminal arm of the democratic party ACORN.

Paul Westlake said:
I won’t defend Think Progress, but “racist #2″ sure seemed a lot more like a white supremacist than a Soros stooge. He stuck to his lines just like one would expect from Mr. Race-pure. I’ve commented on commendable actions like these at Tea Party events before, and I’ll agree that they seem to have gotten the memo on the bigotry, at least as far as the crowd goes. But their candidates still have ghastly ideas, from Rand segregation-is-a-business-decision Paul, to Sharon privatize-social-security Angle, to Carl who-needs-medicaid Paladino, to Christine abstinence-only O’Donnell, and all of them anti-tax, anti-regulation zealots who will just make the economy even worse. My argument with the Tea Party has always been that they’re not supporting the kind of people they think they are. These candidates are mostly bad news bears – extreme cultural and economic ideologues that will only drive America deeper into recession and back to the future.

There’s nothing at all racist about what Rand Paul said. He just happens to believe in Capitalism and in the American People. Would most people patronize a business that refused service to Blacks? No, they’d take their money elsewhere and those businesses would suffer until they came around or ultimately go under. Problem solved without government having to get involved much if at all.

I like the idea of abstinence-only, but didn’t have the balls to practice it when I was a kid. Having to bridge that gap between an ideal and harsh reality once I’m parent is what I’m looking forward to least once I get that job. The government’s doing such a crappy job managing social security, the only reason I know for sure privatizing would be even worse is because the corrupt government will be handling the privatizing.

I’m not a tea partier or a republican, but I do believe that people are supporting new candidates that appear to be anti-establishment because they understand that it’s not a question of tax/don’t tax or regulate/de-regulate. As long as there’s widespread corruption on both sides of the aisle in the government, the patriot act will be a massive government power grab and the healthcare reform will be a payoff to insurance companies. Obama won because he ran as the anti-establishment candidate. McCain won the nomination because he ran up to that point as the same for his party. As long as people are tricked into abdicating their responsibility to pay attention in favor of fighting for their ‘side’, each side can take turns electing all the hope & change candidates – who are just as much “extreme cultural and economic ideologues” as our current president is to those citizens that disagree with him – as they like. We won’t see real changes until politicians learn there are real penalties for abusing their positions and selling out the public trust. Can you honestly say you’re supporting the type of candidate you think you are? Or just that you’re supporting the one with the “D” in front of his name?

armwood said:
You know and have seen Paladino’s racist and misogynist emails, Palin’s support of Dr. Laura Schlessinger’s N-word rant and Rand Paul’s position on the 1964 Civil Rights act which i posted about above. Stop pretending that you don’t know exactly what I am talking about. The problem it seems to me is that you share their un-American beliefs.

I have heard of Paladino’s emails, but haven’t seen them. I saw him in an interview before they became news and thought he was a total prick, who’s trying to say all the things people want to hear in order to get elected.The fact that he won the primary is a testimony to how little primary voters trusted the incumbent, nothing more.
I have defended Dr. Laura’s “rant” on this site and Rand Paul’s position on the Civil Rights Act above. I know the incidents to which you refer well, but not why you think they are racist. Let’s not pretend that you can name something and have that magically be an argument unto itself. Offer your proof as to why they are racist if you expect others to trying to refute it. Just making the claim and then proceeding as if it’s fact because you or someone else said it was is just supposition, and worthless. I didn’t even need to obtain any kind of degree to know that, either. Un-American? Now you sound exactly like those whom you claim to so detest. A shame that higher education isn’t what it used to be, judging by the poor quality of your “arguments”.

gordonbloyershow said:
Well well another lib hiding behind a phony name claiming some educational achievement that can’t be proven. Just bull from a bullshit artist.

gordonbloyershow said:
When those NeoCon RWers start attacking me and calling me names or telling lies I will. You are hypocritical jackass everytime you tell another lie about me and I post a video that proves that you are a liar hiding behind a phony name. Now go play with your crayons.

BTW Gordo, where did armwood call you any names or told any lies about you. Seems you are the one calling him names and telling lies about him. There you go again being your typical hypocritical asshole again.

gordonbloyershow said:
Cosmo, I guess Calvin took care of you on that. LOL.

Keep reading Gordo, Your statement is still has no evidence. So stand behind it if you can.

armwood said:
Tea Party candidates engage in and support racism as in Carl Paladino and Sarah Palin. Both of these Tea Party people are obviously morally inferior to the average decent American. Listen to Palin, Paladino and O’Donnell speak. You cannot spot their intellectual weakness? Gosh that is scary.

I call bullshit. The comment I responded to was not about any individuals. You said,

armwood said:
The Tea Party and American conservatives are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

It’s an ignorant sweeping generalization and condemnation , which makes the statement itself, intellectually and morally bankrupt. Funny how that worked out isn’t it?

It really is a stellar example of the kind of useless disrespectful ignorant shit that goes on in political discourse every day. I could hardly think of a better one. Believe me I know how frustrating and aggravating it can be at times , but mimicking the worst behavior of those you disagree with while thinking you’re superior in some way is not helping the discourse or your credibility. Wake up.

atreyue said:
There’s nothing at all racist about what Rand Paul said. He just happens to believe in Capitalism and in the American People. Would most people patronize a business that refused service to Blacks? No, they’d take their money elsewhere and those businesses would suffer until they came around or ultimately go under. Problem solved without government having to get involved much if at all.

Think about this a minute. What you say may be true now , 40 to 50 years later, after the government got involved, but chances are without that government involvement the south would still be segregated.

musiccityvic said:
geez you really are a loon. all those votes in the trunk that got franken elected in Minnesota. and your damn right we are going to try and supress the democratic dead vote AND all those ‘registered’ by the criminal arm of the democratic party ACORN.

You read it on the internet or heard it on Fox so it must be true right?

the real john t said:
I haven’t told any lies about you. You tell them all by yourself. Where did you learn your expertise of terrorism? Anyone can go on some two bit local tv station and claim things then start parroting what the real experts say. Where did you get your private investigators license from? You are a nobody and will always be a nobody no matter how much you lie and want people to think you’re somebody.

If anyone can go on a local TV station, I will be looking for you next week. Oh, maybe not, since you don’t have a name. KTVU is not just a “local” TV station; it serves the major market of Oakland and San Francisco. You could not get on if you paid them $100,000. Oh, by the way I was featured in a three part series on KRON TV in San Francisco. The subject was my creation of a new form of low cost background check. That series was also run nationally on CNBC. My investigative work was also the subject of a nationally syndicated column by Stephanie Salter.

See how easy it is to catch you in more lies. I am not like you or your friends I don’t make up stuff.

CosmosDan said:
Keep reading Gordo, Your statement is still has no evidence. So stand behind it if you can.

Wow, I guess we will all take your word for it. Cosmo said there is NO evidence. We can take that to the bank. We always believe some unknown clown that calls himself “CosmosDan”. We all know HE is a real authority on evidence?

How can Sarah Palin be a racist? Self hating somehow? Her husband is part Yupik Indian (Eskimo) making their children mixed race, just like Obama and his children are. It’s a testament to the Palin’s that they don’t make a bigger deal — or any deal for that matter — out of this, given the crap they have to put with. And Todd was also a member of the Steelworker’s union. But let’s not let all that get in the way of an us-versus-them narrative.

gordonbloyershow said:
Oh, by the way I was featured in a three part series on KRON TV in San Francisco. The subject was my creation of a new form of low cost background check. That series was also run nationally on CNBC. My investigative work was also the subject of a nationally syndicated column by Stephanie Salter.

How about proving that.

gordonbloyershow said:
Cosmo, I guess Calvin took care of you on that. LOL.

CosmosDan said:
Keep reading Gordo, Your statement is still has no evidence. So stand behind it if you can.

Did you read my response?

Calvin said:
Here’s the difference: the people who attended Glenn Beck’s event were jjust ordinary people who decided to go there. Any t-shirts they got, they bought. Same with the lunches. The people who attended the “One Nation” rally included many union members. http://www.onenationworkingtogether.org/partners If you were to take a guess, do you think that Union’s might have a say in what their members do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWlqiv-YL7c That guy seems pretty adamant in claiming that “nobody’s getting paid.” If you look at the signs, you can tell that they were all written by the same person. Also, the fact that all the people are pretty clueless as to what they’re doing there. So what does their boss do? He steers them away from Breitbart. That guy’s name is Eugene Winkler, which you should know if you watch the whole video. What can we find out about Eugene Winkler? If you Google “Eugene Winkler”, on the 7th page of results, you’ll find an article that describes him as “the Rev. Eugene Winkler, a gambling opponent who serves on the Illinois Gaming Board. ” What is a reverend doing on the Illinois Gaming Board? Also, check out his Linked-In profile: “Current * Interim Pastor at University ChurchConnections6 connectionsIndustryNon-Profit Organization Management ” and on page 11 of the results, we see that he’s a signatory for the SEIU:http://www.seiu.org/2010/01/an-open-letter-to-president-barack-obama-and-members-of-the-us-senate-and-house-of-representatives-i.php Also, check out this link for more interesting tidbits. http://www.foundingbloggers.com/wordpress/2010/09/breitbart-forces-president-obamas-protesters-to-fold-up-shop-at-right-nation-2010/ I could list more examples of union strong-arm tactics, if you want. I didn’t appreciate Michelle Bachmann doing that, but what does Glenn have to do with that? He said that no politicians currently holding a public office would be there at Restoring Honor. There was nothing political at all at the rally besides Sarah Palin’s veiled remark about fundamentally restoring America instead of fundamentally transforming America, which I didn’t appreciate either.

CosmosDan said:
Think about this a minute. What you say may be true now , 40 to 50 years later, after the government got involved, but chances are without that government involvement the south would still be segregated.

It’s possible that it may have been a necessity, as you say. But as public opinion had already turned more towards integration and continued to do so over time, segregated businesses would have a negative effect on communities as well, as a large amount of them in in a community would surely drive white people who disagreed with the practice out of the community in larger and larger numbers. The community would then apply more pressure on those businesses to conform. Also, what of suppliers to those business who decide to boycott segregated businesses? Obviously this is all conjecture, but we can certainly see in today’s atmosphere how easy it would be to get lots of major suppliers on board with that just to avoid a pr nightmare. Letting your personal beliefs affect your business decisions is usually regarded as bad business. I can tell you there are plenty of places that have held on to their hatred and the world has passed them by. Their youth all leave as soon as they are able. never to return, and prosperity is just a memory for those towns. This doesn’t mean that the whole civil rights act was unnecessary, just that that part may not have been needed. And I can certainly understand how a man raised by Ron Paul would ultimately have faith in the principles of capitalism to govern businesses more effectively and with less lasting damage to business and society than a government.

Quote button makes some things less easy on the eyes.

Here’s the difference: the people who attended Glenn Beck’s event were jjust ordinary people who decided to go there. Any t-shirts they got, they bought. Same with the lunches. The people who attended the “One Nation” rally included many union members. http://www.onenationworkingtogether.org/partners

If you were to take a guess, do you think that Union’s might have a say in what their members do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWlqiv-YL7c

That guy seems pretty adamant in claiming that “nobody’s getting paid.” If you look at the signs, you can tell that they were all written by the same person. Also, the fact that all the people are pretty clueless as to what they’re doing there. So what does their boss do? He steers them away from Breitbart. That guy’s name is Eugene Winkler, which you should know if you watch the whole video. What can we find out about Eugene Winkler?

If you Google “Eugene Winkler”, on the 7th page of results, you’ll find an article that describes him as “the Rev. Eugene Winkler, a gambling opponent who serves on the Illinois Gaming Board. ”

What is a reverend doing on the Illinois Gaming Board?

Also, check out his Linked-In profile: “Current

* Interim Pastor at University Church
Connections
6 connections
Industry
Non-Profit Organization Management ”

and on page 11 of the results, we see that he’s a signatory for the SEIU:
http://www.seiu.org/2010/01/an-open-letter-to-president-barack-obama-and-members-of-the-us-senate-and-house-of-representatives-i.php

Also, check out this link for more interesting tidbits.

http://www.foundingbloggers.com/wordpress/2010/09/breitbart-forces-president-obamas-protesters-to-fold-up-shop-at-right-nation-2010/

I could list more examples of union strong-arm tactics, if you want.

I didn’t appreciate Michelle Bachmann doing that, but what does Glenn have to do with that? He said that no politicians currently holding a public office would be there at Restoring Honor. There was nothing political at all at the rally besides Sarah Palin’s veiled remark about fundamentally restoring America instead of fundamentally transforming America, which I didn’t appreciate either.

Here’s two photos from the same angle. The first is a pic of the One Nation rally from the Huffington Post:

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/11347/slide_11347_149199_huge.jpg

Compare that to this pic of the Beck rally:

http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/storage/crowd%20shot.jpg

Not even close.

the real john t said:
How about proving that.

LOL, that will be easy, I have the clips just like that last time you shot off you ignorant mouth. I have to go through my tapes, you keep wasting my time. Everyone else here knows that I am telling the truth as always. Do you even have a brain?

CosmosDan said:
You read it on the internet or heard it on Fox so it must be true right?

The problem is that if we are fair and remove Fox and replace it with just “the news” in your sentence, we’ve now accounted for how just about everyone gets their information: from sources that ultimately can’t be trusted without proof. That’s why we need to demand that the government stop classifying almost everything as secret due to national security. We won’t have to wait until key people die and can no longer be held accountable before the government declassifies its pertinent info.

TBDave said:
Here’s two photos from the same angle. The first is a pic of the One Nation rally from the Huffington Post: http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/11347/slide_11347_149199_huge.jpg Compare that to this pic of the Beck rally: http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/storage/crowd%20shot.jpg Not even close.

You could play a game of golf through all of that green.

Calvin said:
If you were to take a guess, do you think that Union’s might have a say in what their members do?

You don’t know very much about unions do you? Except you hate them. A union can’t make anyone go anyplace if they don’t want to.

gordonbloyershow said:
LOL, that will be easy, I have the clips just like that last time you shot off you ignorant mouth. I have to go through my tapes, you keep wasting my time. Everyone else here knows that I am telling the truth as always. Do you even have a brain?

Yeah Gordo, that’s why when you google your name nothing comes up except where you claim you did all the shit you claim. Like I said before, you’re a nobody and always will be.

the real john t said:
You don’t know very much about unions do you? Except you hate them. A union can’t make anyone go anyplace if they don’t want to.

Money is a mighty fine enticer. Great assumption, by the way. If you had read my previous comments you would have read this:

Calvin said:
Unions members themselves are not inherently bad. More often it’s the union leaders who are the troublemakers. Unions are important, sometimes.

Look at these excited union members!

http://twitpic.com/2u14ew/full

the real john t said:
Yeah Gordo, that’s why when you google your name nothing comes up except where you claim you did all the shit you claim. Like I said before, you’re a nobody and always will be.

LOL, I found the one clip faster than I though I would. LOL, POOR baby. Nothing comes up when you google my name, LOL. YOU do realize everyone here can do that and see that you are a liar.

Here is part two on KRON TV San Francisco………………..You are such a fool. LOL. You will also find the commentary before the clip fits YOU to a tee. LOL. YOU are a joke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi7XvtHdAtQ

the real john t said:
A union can’t make anyone go anyplace if they don’t want to.

That is a bunch of BS.

Look what I just found. I knew I heard something about this somewhere…

http://tv.breitbart.com/astro-turf-on-the-left-teamsters-president-says-members-have-to-attend-one-nation-march/

Calvin said:
Look at these excited union members!

And what makes you say those are union members?

Calvin said:
http://tv.breitbart.com/astro-turf-on-the-left-teamsters-president-says-members-have-to-attend-one-nation-march/

OMG, you’re giving Breitbart as a source? You might as well see what O’Keefe has to say about it too.

the real john t said:
OMG, you’re giving Breitbart as a source? You might as well see what O’Keefe has to say about it too.

Did you even look at it? It’s a clip from Ed Schultz’s radio show. Unless Breitbart has somebody who does a great Ed Scultz, I’m pretty sure it’s genuine.

Calvin said:
Did you even look at it? It’s a clip from Ed Schultz’s radio show. Unless Breitbart has somebody who does a great Ed Scultz, I’m pretty sure it’s genuine.

Yes I looked and listened to it. I didn’t see where he said they were making them go. A typical Breitbart clip. It was cut short, I’d like to hear the whole interview.

the real john t said:
Yes I looked and listened to it. I didn’t see where he said they were making them go. A typical Breitbart clip. It was cut short, I’d like to hear the whole interview.

It was right where Schultz says “Are your members doing this because they have to or they want to?,” around the one minute and 30 seconds mark. Those words appear on the screen when Schultz says them too, so you should know when he asks this question.

Calvin said:
It was right where Schultz says “Are your members doing this because they have to or they want to?,”

Like I said, I want to hear the WHOLE interview. Breitbart doesn’t have the cleanest record.

the real john t said:
Like I said, I want to hear the WHOLE interview. Breitbart doesn’t have the cleanest record

Whatever. It’s from Glenn Beck’s website, originally. I’m sure that doesn’t make you trust it any more. It seems as if this in context. I don’t really know how you could fake it.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/slave-labor-teamsters-president-our-members-have-to-go-to-one-nation-rally/

gordonbloyershow said:
LOL, I found the one clip faster than I though I would. LOL, POOR baby. Nothing comes up when you google my name, LOL. YOU do realize everyone here can do that and see that you are a liar.

Here is part two on KRON TV San Francisco………………..You are such a fool. LOL. You will also find the commentary before the clip fits YOU to a tee. LOL. YOU are a joke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi7XvtHdAtQ

OK, Gordo, nice interview, but a couple things. I wouldn’t go around saying you were “featured” in that package. You were interviewed, and good for you. Also, star wipe? ;-)

Calvin said:
Unless Breitbart has somebody who does a great Ed Scultz, I’m pretty sure it’s genuine.

I’m not jumping in on this discussion, but I just wanted to say, Breitbart has disgraced himself multiple times now. I wouldn’t care if he had the actual Ten Commandments in his hands and I could see the bush burning behind him, I automatically assume everything he publishes is a lie or distortion. He cried wolf too many times.

The Real Royal King says:
“Looks like a group of organizations dedicated to helping hard-working American men and women and supporting American families. You’re right. This is Commanismpure and simple and anyone who says it isn’t is a L I A R.”

Good point! Beck’s rally raised $5.5 million for SOWF , $5 million on the day of the event!
What was name of the charity the “One Nation” sponsored and how much did they raised? $5.6 million I hope!
$4 mill?
$2 mill?
$500K
$100k?
$50K?
$1,98?
$.35?

Aerial Photos!: Glenn Beck’s Restoring Honor Rally vs. One Nation Rally http://fwd4.me/36F

OneNation rally trashes the WWII memorial. http://ow.ly/2NxRI

Calvin said:
Whatever. It’s from Glenn Beck’s website, originally. I’m sure that doesn’t make you trust it any more. It seems as if this in context. I don’t really know how you could fake it.

The man isn’t demanding they go, he is saying they need to go. Here is the full interview:

http://www.local237.org/news-media/listen-pres-floyds-on-ed-schultzs-show-92910

Damn, you RWers will belive anything Breitbart and Beck throws out there.

murf said:
Aerial Photos!: Glenn Beck’s Restoring Honor Rally vs. One Nation Rally http://fwd4.me/36F

You’re actually posting pictures from that radical RW site? Why don’t they have the time when the photos were taken. You RWers are pathetic.

What a CROCK! Ben Jealous is just as I thought he was, an illiterate LIAR. The Commies, Socialists, Marxists, Revolutionary Goons and Union Thugs left the place Littered and Trashed. There was not even a gum wrapper on the lawn when the Beck Rally left the grounds. Why is it that Big Government Liberal Progressives need the Government to wipe their butts from cradle to grave AND clean up their messes throughout their miserable lives? Are they really that Lazy and Ignorant?

Here’s a video from the Freak Parade that the Leftist Media doesn’t want you to see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkw7n9Qagu8&feature=player_embedded

@dandmb50 It’s very juvenile like, a bunch of school yard kids arguing over who’s got the most facebook friends. Grow up, who cares who get’s the most people attending. In most cases the organizers are busing the people in and they are paying for it. I’m not a big supporter of Beck but he did start it all and what’s next Jon Stewartt is holding a “rally” in a few weeks, will Rick Sanchez be a guest speaker?

Daniel .. Toronto, CANADA
http://bit.ly/9z6bRu

armwood said:
Obviously you never read the whole quote. He said if you want a tyranny kill the lawyers first. Jeez.

Obviously, you had that explained to you by a lawyer. That is the entire quote. The response to that suggestion is “Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled o’er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings: but I say, ’tis the bee’s wax; for I did but seal once to a thing, and I was never mine own man since.- How now! who’s there?”

You could, you know, look it up. It’s said jokingly, but it isn’t lawyer friendly and it suggests exactly the opposite of what some lawyers like to tell people.

Paul Westlake said:
After weeks of pounding on liberals for painting the Tea Party with one broad brush, the very same people come out of the woodwork today to paint all liberals with the same brush, loaded with insults, demeaning language, and a disdain for their fellow citizens that is beyond grotesque.

What’s funny, Paul, is that you collected 14 quotes and not a one of them does what you insist they all do. They’re all talking about attendees of yesterday’s Million Moocher March. Who are pigs, btw. Is it that frigging hard to take your trash with you? Is it that hard, when you’ve got eleventy million sponsoring organizations to have some volunteers organized and ready to bag up the trash at the end of the day? Apparently it is, when you really don’t give a damn.

Quote of the day: Moochers come in every flavor but their upturned palms are all pink.

The Real Royal King said:
What is the sick obsession with this rally, Sara N. Italy? I think if I were in Italy on a peasant Fall evevning, I might have other interests to pursue.

So says the moron who has a sick obsession with me. And it was raining, idiot. Why don’t you get off the internet and spend time with your wife and kids, instead of obsessing over what I am doing?

“armwood said:
Palin’s support of Dr. Laura Schlessinger’s N-word rant”

Oh good gawd. Dr. Laura wasn’t calling anyone the n-word. She said that black people fill the airways with the n-word. You turn on BET or black music (I forget her exact words) and all you hear is “n*gger, n*gger, n*gger” How the HELL is that an n-word rant? It’s true. And like I said, she wasn’t calling anyone that, unlike the right hand man to the POTUS who called people retarded.

The fact that you even dared to call Palin racist for her defense of Laura S. over this shows your mindset.

The satellite images of the garbage left behind would be indistinguishable from the anti-American trash that attended the rally.

murf said:
Aerial Photos!: Glenn Beck’s Restoring Honor Rally vs. One Nation Rally http://fwd4.me/36F

Wow! They didn’t get close to Glenn Beck. Probably because the One Nation rally was about hatred for America and Beck’s was about hope and love for America.

Calvin said:

I didn’t appreciate Michelle Bachmann doing that, but what does Glenn have to do with that? He said that no politicians currently holding a public office would be there at Restoring Honor. There was nothing political at all at the rally besides Sarah Palin’s veiled remark about fundamentally restoring America instead of fundamentally transforming America, which I didn’t appreciate either.

It appears that the rally was organized by political conservatives and there’s nothing at all wrong with that , until “it wasn’t political” becomes some bragging point. I try not to make accusations or assume things are true without evidence but I’d say it’s naive to think Beck didn’t know and approve of Bachman’s presence there. Maybe not but I noticed that the same afternoon on a Fox special he had on about god in government he praised her {her lies notwithstanding} as a fine Christian woman, and Monday when he talked about his rally he poked a little fun at the press for claiming Bachman and Army were going to speak at the rally but never clarified that Bachman was indeed there. Coicidence? Dick Army readily admits he works in tandem with Beck
here
FreedomWorks chairman Dick Armey, a former Republican House Majority leader, said the group is working with Mr. Beck to promote shared causes.

“We’ve got a complementary relationship,” Mr. Armey said. “Glenn Beck is the instructional arm, and we are the action arm.
Seems to me calling it non political is at least dubious. It seems pretty obvious that the long term purpose is obviously political. I think that’s smart and good marketing, but it’s not superior to people who are up front about who they are, free bus rides and lunches.

If the United States wants civil unrest, over-regulation, ridiculously high taxes, and big government shouting at you on a daily basis…(such as ED SCHULTZ and company) then by all means keep the Democrats in power and I will guarantee you, that all I have mentioned will come to pass and you will be controlled like the robots they want you to be.

atreyue said:
The problem is that if we are fair and remove Fox and replace it with just “the news” in your sentence, we’ve now accounted for how just about everyone gets their information: from sources that ultimately can’t be trusted without proof. That’s why we need to demand that the government stop classifying almost everything as secret due to national security. We won’t have to wait until key people die and can no longer be held accountable before the government declassifies its pertinent info.

Agreed. It’s really a serious problem that in the rush to ratings we can barely trust our major news sources to be accurate. The internet is a great resource but it’s also a rumor mill where lies can be started and spread. Then there’s the public. People are so divided and pissed off now that they grab onto any negative about the opposition and classify it as true , while any negative about their allies is a lie. It’s some sort of national mental breakdown.

injest said:
The Real Royal King says:
“Looks like a group of organizations dedicated to helping hard-working American men and women and supporting American families. You’re right. This is Commanismpure and simple and anyone who says it isn’t is a L I A R.”

Good point! Beck’s rally raised $5.5 million for SOWF , $5 million on the day of the event!
What was name of the charity the “One Nation” sponsored and how much did they raised? $5.6 million I hope!
$4 mill?
$2 mill?
$500K
$100k?
$50K?
$1,98?
$.35?

That group also sponsored the event which is why it had to appear non political , and it cost about 2 million. That’s still a lot of money for a good cause but I have to wonder what prior arrangements were made.

Calvin said:
Whatever. It’s from Glenn Beck’s website, originally. I’m sure that doesn’t make you trust it any more. It seems as if this in context. I don’t really know how you could fake it.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/slave-labor-teamsters-president-our-members-have-to-go-to-one-nation-rally/

Calvin , do you think that proves anything? It’s possible he’s being literal with” have to” as in “ordered to” but form the overall tone it seems like he’s saying have to in them sense that’s it’s that important , it’s crucial. It’s like I “have to” have surgery.

CosmosDan said:
It appears that the rally was organized by political conservatives and there’s nothing at all wrong with that , until “it wasn’t political” becomes some bragging point. I try not to make accusations or assume things are true without evidence but I’d say it’s naive to think Beck didn’t know and approve of Bachman’s presence there. Maybe not but I noticed that the same afternoon on a Fox special he had on about god in government he praised her {her lies notwithstanding} as a fine Christian woman, and Monday when he talked about his rally he poked a little fun at the press for claiming Bachman and Army were going to speak at the rally but never clarified that Bachman was indeed there. Coicidence? Dick Army readily admits he works in tandem with BeckhereFreedomWorks chairman Dick Armey, a former Republican House Majority leader, said the group is working with Mr. Beck to promote shared causes. “We’ve got a complementary relationship,” Mr. Armey said. “Glenn Beck is the instructional arm, and we are the action arm.Seems to me calling it non political is at least dubious. It seems pretty obvious that the long term purpose is obviously political. I think that’s smart and good marketing, but it’s not superior to people who are up front about who they are, free bus rides and lunches.

Geez, you’re not happy unless you can find something to complain about, are you? Has it occured to you that a lot of Tea Party folks are religous? You can nitpick all you want, but the event wasn’t at all political. Breitbart was not happy with Glenn taking a bunch of tea party people and making it about religion instead. http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/kausfiles/2010/09/21/andrew-breitbart-pissed-at-glenn-beck.html I know a lot people who used to listen to Glenn but don’t anymore, because of how much he talks about God. He’s talked about how they did a study on his show, and how people are kind of turned off by the God stuff. So he’s not doing this because this is super good for ratings, he’s doing this because he believes it’s what he should be doing. This article does a good job explaining on what Glenn’s doing. http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/15295.html

Azarkhan said:
murf said:
Aerial Photos!: Glenn Beck’s Restoring Honor Rally vs. One Nation Rally http://fwd4.me/36F

Wow! They didn’t get close to Glenn Beck. Probably because the One Nation rally was about hatred for America and Beck’s was about hope and love for America

And then read this:

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/heres-your-enthusiasm-gap-one-nation-

LOL!

I put together a bunch of pics and vids from the day:
http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/one-nation-rally.html

sarainitaly said:
And then read this:

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/heres-your-enthusiasm-gap-one-nation-

LOL!

I put together a bunch of pics and vids from the day:
http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/one-nation-rally.html

Sara, I like your avatar. Much nicer than the one I was using the other day!

CosmosDan said:
Calvin , do you think that proves anything? It’s possible he’s being literal with” have to” as in “ordered to” but form the overall tone it seems like he’s saying have to in them sense that’s it’s that important , it’s crucial. It’s like I “have to” have surgery.

That’s possible too, but I don’t think that’s the case. When Ed Schultz first spouted that he could draw as many people as Glenn Beck, he was talking about getting people from the unions. When Glenn talked about this, he pointed out that it would be union members being loaded up by their bosses compared to people deciding by themselves to go to Restoring Honor. So the union members did like their bosses told them and went on the buses. Just like they did here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWlqiv-YL7c

I’ll just say that you’re fooling yourself if you think the union bosses have nothing to do with what their members do. It’s always the same strong-arm tactics.

atreyue said:
It’s possible that it may have been a necessity, as you say. But as public opinion had already turned more towards integration and continued to do so over time, segregated businesses would have a negative effect on communities as well, as a large amount of them in in a community would surely drive white people who disagreed with the practice out of the community in larger and larger numbers. The community would then apply more pressure on those businesses to conform. Also, what of suppliers to those business who decide to boycott segregated businesses? Obviously this is all conjecture, but we can certainly see in today’s atmosphere how easy it would be to get lots of major suppliers on board with that just to avoid a pr nightmare. Letting your personal beliefs affect your business decisions is usually regarded as bad business. I can tell you there are plenty of places that have held on to their hatred and the world has passed them by. Their youth all leave as soon as they are able. never to return, and prosperity is just a memory for those towns. This doesn’t mean that the whole civil rights act was unnecessary, just that that part may not have been needed. And I can certainly understand how a man raised by Ron Paul would ultimately have faith in the principles of capitalism to govern businesses more effectively and with less lasting damage to business and society than a government.

I understand and sympathize with the principle. Over the years I’ve worked for and with lots of small businesses with a hand full of employees and I know how oppressive regulations can be. Still, the civil rights movement took years of struggle to put the plight of blacks in the public awareness, and the hatred lived on for years after laws were passed. I have to question the morality of holding to libertarian principles in the face of real present day suffering. I very deeply hold that ultimately the change must be within the hearts and and minds of society not merely in legislation. I also believe that we must constantly examine and question the laws to see if we are oppressing growth by trying to control too much.
There seems to be this idea that if only we embrace the correct principles and put the proper laws in place everything will work itself out. I don’t think that will ever be true because mankind, and our society , our world, s constantly in movement from the inside out. The response to that reality is that we must constantly examine our society and it’s laws to establish, adjust, change, and abolish, in order to reflect societies ongoing changes.
Read Leviticus and you see how religion was used to influence control and guide the masses. As people have changed religion has also changed but it’s been a long slow process. Now it’s this experiment of a democratic republic with it’s incredible diversity. With some uncertainty we are compelled to go forward and try to find the proper balance of laws, regulations, and liberty, What we establish now doesn’t have to be looked at as constant. We are willing and able to examine it again down the road and see if it’s working and adjust it accordingly. What we should be doing now IMO is making sure that our the three branches of our government are motivated by actually wanting to look out for the interests general public. Currently, we’re so divided over trivial BS that we’re not doing a very good job at that.

Calvin said:
Geez, you’re not happy unless you can find something to complain about, are you?

I’m not complaining Calvin I’m just trying to look things realistically. Often people want to look at things in simple terms of good and bad but almost always , things are a little more layered and nuanced than that. I’m out for most of the day but I looked at the link and appreciate it. I will read it further and respond later tonight or in the morning

Calvin said:
Did you read my response?

Yes I read it and I’m familiar with that clip. It doesn’t prove anything. Gordon said people were being paid to be there and constantly claims that he stands behind everything he says. I’m asking him, or you if you like, to back that up. Innuendo and speculation is not enough. Prove it or rephrase to more accurate language that reflects an opinion rather than fact. He can admit he doesn’t know but believes it, fine. That’s an opinion. When you state something as if it’s factual you can back it up or admit you can’t.

CosmosDan said:
I understand and sympathize with the principle. Over the years I’ve worked for and with lots of small businesses with a hand full of employees and I know how oppressive regulations can be. Still, the civil rights movement took years of struggle to put the plight of blacks in the public awareness, and the hatred lived on for years after laws were passed. I have to question the morality of holding to libertarian principles in the face of real present day suffering. I very deeply hold that ultimately the change must be within the hearts and and minds of society not merely in legislation. I also believe that we must constantly examine and question the laws to see if we are oppressing growth by trying to control too much.
There seems to be this idea that if only we embrace the correct principles and put the proper laws in place everything will work itself out. I don’t think that will ever be true because mankind, and our society , our world, s constantly in movement from the inside out. The response to that reality is that we must constantly examine our society and it’s laws to establish, adjust, change, and abolish, in order to reflect societies ongoing changes.
Read Leviticus and you see how religion was used to influence control and guide the masses. As people have changed religion has also changed but it’s been a long slow process. Now it’s this experiment of a democratic republic with it’s incredible diversity. With some uncertainty we are compelled to go forward and try to find the proper balance of laws, regulations, and liberty, What we establish now doesn’t have to be looked at as constant. We are willing and able to examine it again down the road and see if it’s working and adjust it accordingly. What we should be doing now IMO is making sure that our the three branches of our government are motivated by actually wanting to look out for the interests general public. Currently, we’re so divided over trivial BS that we’re not doing a very good job at that.

Well said Dan

CosmosDan said:
We are willing and able to examine it again down the road and see if it’s working and adjust it accordingly. What we should be doing now IMO is making sure that our the three branches of our government are motivated by actually wanting to look out for the interests general public.

I believe this is what our founding fathers had in mind.

CosmosDan said:
atreyue

And what you say here is completely proven by the fact that you received 3 thumbs down prior to my reading this, despite the fact that there’s nothing at all partisan in what you said.

gordonbloyershow said:
Wow, I guess we will all take your word for it. Cosmo said there is NO evidence. We can take that to the bank. We always believe some unknown clown that calls himself “CosmosDan”. We all know HE is a real authority on evidence?

You can do what you always brag about and stand behind what you say, or not. You said the people were being paid to be there and nothing Calvin has provided shows that to be true. You can just admit you have no proof and overstated if you like, but free bus rides and lunches is not the same as being paid to be there. So, again, Mr. I Stand behind everything I say. Provide the evidence to support that statement if you can, or just offer more weasel words like this post to avoid doing what you say you do.

atreyue said:
And what you say here is completely proven by the fact that you received 3 thumbs down prior to my reading this, despite the fact that there’s nothing at all partisan in what you said.

I don’t understand the quote so I’m not sure if this was directed at me or not.

CosmosDan said:
I understand and sympathize with the principle. Over the years I’ve worked for and with lots of small businesses with a hand full of employees and I know how oppressive regulations can be. Still, the civil rights movement took years of struggle to put the plight of blacks in the public awareness, and the hatred lived on for years after laws were passed. I have to question the morality of holding to libertarian principles in the face of real present day suffering. I very deeply hold that ultimately the change must be within the hearts and and minds of society not merely in legislation. I also believe that we must constantly examine and question the laws to see if we are oppressing growth by trying to control too much.
There seems to be this idea that if only we embrace the correct principles and put the proper laws in place everything will work itself out. I don’t think that will ever be true because mankind, and our society , our world, s constantly in movement from the inside out. The response to that reality is that we must constantly examine our society and it’s laws to establish, adjust, change, and abolish, in order to reflect societies ongoing changes.
Read Leviticus and you see how religion was used to influence control and guide the masses. As people have changed religion has also changed but it’s been a long slow process. Now it’s this experiment of a democratic republic with it’s incredible diversity. With some uncertainty we are compelled to go forward and try to find the proper balance of laws, regulations, and liberty, What we establish now doesn’t have to be looked at as constant. We are willing and able to examine it again down the road and see if it’s working and adjust it accordingly. What we should be doing now IMO is making sure that our the three branches of our government are motivated by actually wanting to look out for the interests general public. Currently, we’re so divided over trivial BS that we’re not doing a very good job at that.

When you talk about correct principles and proper laws, I think you’re actually approaching the heart of libertarianism. If laws are attempting to force us and business to be more “moral”, there’s always going to be a problem, because there’s a high level of moral diversity in America and most especially in the world. Laws can often assume the morality of the lawmaker (assuming them not to be corrupt, of course) and impose that upon everyone. Libertarian ideas say that if you don’t try to force or nudge people, individuals will make their own decisions and sort things out on their own in due course. That’s not to say there should be no government. But looking out for the interests of the general public has seemed to require higher and higher levels of government intervention over time. The government interferes with the free market and then claims that it’s broken after the interference makes matters worse. Leviticus is a prefect example of how attempts to control the masses require more and more control to be exerted through more and more complex laws. So 1 commandment leads to 10, and 10 lead to 10000 and so on until you have something far different and oppressive than was ever intended. You are saying that people seem to think there’s an immutable set of principles and laws that need to be in place for everything to work fine, and that is a recipe for disaster because the world is constantly changing and these laws don’t change to keep up with it. I posit that the problem is actually that people are trying to control people’s lives. They are only supposed to allow societies to function, not make sure each society is the best it could possibly be as determined by whichever ideologue is in power. If the government stopped trying to control the economy, it may never have gotten this bad and probably would have recovered by now.
This ties into civil rights in that I think it’s very hard to make a convincing case for saying that the plight of Blacks had been put so squarely into the public awareness that it could change the law of the land, but not so much that the overall shift that would have required in the public consciousness to happen would not have impacted businesses. There’s always going to be some type of real present day suffering. Government intervention has far-reaching effects that are just as often bad as good. Affirmative Action probably seemed like a good idea at the time (and I’m certain it still does to many), but the practice has soured many against Blacks and caused many blacks to doubt their own abilities because you never know whether you earned something or are just filling a quota.

CosmosDan said:
Agreed. It’s really a serious problem that in the rush to ratings we can barely trust our major news sources to be accurate. The internet is a great resource but it’s also a rumor mill where lies can be started and spread. Then there’s the public. People are so divided and pissed off now that they grab onto any negative about the opposition and classify it as true , while any negative about their allies is a lie. It’s some sort of national mental breakdown.

CosmosDan said:
I don’t understand the quote so I’m not sure if this was directed at me or not.

My bad

Azarkhan said:
Wow! They didn’t get close to Glenn Beck. Probably because the One Nation rally was about hatred for America and Beck’s was about hope and love for America.

I can absolutely demonstrate that’s not true. I went here with a picture from each rally and had the goddess Ethel read the photos for vibes. She said without a doubt the aura coming off the One Nation Rally were more loving than the ones from the Unity rally. Now, maybe you have you own psychic or are one yourself and got a different reading. In that case we can get into a discussion of which psychics are more credible , what gems , cards, or bones, they used for their reading, and we’ll really have a meaningful discussion. Brighid be with you.

Matt Herrick said:
I saw the footage from MSNBC (not exactly an impartial observer) for both events, and it is obvious that there weren’t NEARLY as many people at todays event. Those who say otherwise are liars.

You’re right Matt. And not only was the size of the mass of people much smaller, but also remember that they were typically carrying signs, and those signs spread out the attendees still more. My personal estimate of crowd numbers is less than half of Glenn Beck’s rally. Rather sad considering all the “noble institutions” recruiting people.

I’m waiting for the post-rally pictures to see if these people were responsible citizens or irresponsible humanoids?

atreyue said:
And what you say here is completely proven by the fact that you received 3 thumbs down prior to my reading this, despite the fact that there’s nothing at all partisan in what you said.

Ahhh now I understand the context. It’s sad and amusing at the same time isn’t it? I don’t look at the thumbs up or down. They have zero meaning about anything, although you’ll find folks that love to count them. It seems a little to Jr High to me.

‘My rally is so big, it has its own rally.’

Nah, doesn’t work.

One Nation — All the Communists in America

Or at least all of them who could find a sponsor to pay for their trips and signs.

Union members: your dues paid for this circus.

Why did the Democrat party feel the need to hold a rally and invite the Communist party? Are they nuts? This is how they think they’ll regain the support of middle America and the independents?

Ok can we stop beating this dead horse,it’s over the rally was a bust when you consider you had the best organizers in the world involved.

WHAT A PATHETIC SHOWING.

writer said:
‘My rally is so big, it has its own rally.’

Nah, doesn’t work.

That when it backs up it goes beep beep beep

My wait for pictures is over. Visit Sara’s collage. You will NOT be disappointed!

http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/one-nation-rally.html

That clip demonstrates two things: liberals are liars, and the true heritage of MLK’s positive, inclusive, uniting rally 50 years ago belongs to the Restoring Honor crowd, not to these “I’ve got a whine” folk.

The difference between a Conservative/Constitutionalist and a Democrat/Socialist:

http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2010/10/socialists-have-washington-rally.html

……….and we have more pictures: http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2010/10/02/one-nation-rally-trashing-america-photos/

Enough said: http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/10/03/one-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-liberal-lies/

Seems that the Progressive/Liberal/Democratic Party was a BUST:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/28318

Patrick Henry said:
There is no racism with Palin, Paladino, and Paul. Try to think of something new, that charge is really getting old, Mr. Wood.

If you see no racism in those three you are blind. You do not know what racism is!

Pablo said:
Obviously, you had that explained to you by a lawyer. That is the entire quote. The response to that suggestion is “Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled o’er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings: but I say, ’tis the bee’s wax; for I did but seal once to a thing, and I was never mine own man since.- How now! who’s there?”

You could, you know, look it up. It’s said jokingly, but it isn’t lawyer friendly and it suggests exactly the opposite of what some lawyers like to tell people.

Obviously you are not a lawyer. Obviously I can easily explain things to myself.

And none of the crowds at the Washington Mall could hold a candle (made in China) to the crowds at the Beijing Mall the day they advertised 30% off cellphones. Why do Americans make everything into a competition,a numbers game?

atreyue said:
I have heard of Paladino’s emails, but haven’t seen them. I saw him in an interview before they became news and thought he was a total prick, who’s trying to say all the things people want to hear in order to get elected.The fact that he won the primary is a testimony to how little primary voters trusted the incumbent, nothing more.
I have defended Dr. Laura’s “rant” on this site and Rand Paul’s position on the Civil Rights Act above. I know the incidents to which you refer well, but not why you think they are racist. Let’s not pretend that you can name something and have that magically be an argument unto itself. Offer your proof as to why they are racist if you expect others to trying to refute it. Just making the claim and then proceeding as if it’s fact because you or someone else said it was is just supposition, and worthless. I didn’t even need to obtain any kind of degree to know that, either. Un-American? Now you sound exactly like those whom you claim to so detest. A shame that higher education isn’t what it used to be, judging by the poor quality of your “arguments”.

Well you do not understand racism! You need to go back to school and study with some professors who are familiar with racism from the perspective of the recipient, not the perpetrator. Then you might understand and then, maybe not. Many people are unable to understand experiences beyond their own narrow word view.

“ONE NATION’S” EPIC FAIL:
http://plixi.com/p/48550558

atreyue said:
When you talk about correct principles and proper laws, I think you’re actually approaching the heart of libertarianism. If laws are attempting to force us and business to be more “moral”, there’s always going to be a problem, because there’s a high level of moral diversity in America and most especially in the world. Laws can often assume the morality of the lawmaker (assuming them not to be corrupt, of course) and impose that upon everyone. Libertarian ideas say that if you don’t try to force or nudge people, individuals will make their own decisions and sort things out on their own in due course. That’s not to say there should be no government. But looking out for the interests of the general public has seemed to require higher and higher levels of government intervention over time. The government interferes with the free market and then claims that it’s broken after the interference makes matters worse. Leviticus is a prefect example of how attempts to control the masses require more and more control to be exerted through more and more complex laws. So 1 commandment leads to 10, and 10 lead to 10000 and so on until you have something far different and oppressive than was ever intended. You are saying that people seem to think there’s an immutable set of principles and laws that need to be in place for everything to work fine, and that is a recipe for disaster because the world is constantly changing and these laws don’t change to keep up with it. I posit that the problem is actually that people are trying to control people’s lives. They are only supposed to allow societies to function, not make sure each society is the best it could possibly be as determined by whichever ideologue is in power. If the government stopped trying to control the economy, it may never have gotten this bad and probably would have recovered by now.
This ties into civil rights in that I think it’s very hard to make a convincing case for saying that the plight of Blacks had been put so squarely into the public awareness that it could change the law of the land, but not so much that the overall shift that would have required in the public consciousness to happen would not have impacted businesses. There’s always going to be some type of real present day suffering. Government intervention has far-reaching effects that are just as often bad as good. Affirmative Action probably seemed like a good idea at the time (and I’m certain it still does to many), but the practice has soured many against Blacks and caused many blacks to doubt their own abilities because you never know whether you earned something or are just filling a quota.

An who decided that you were superior to any black person? You have benefitted directly and indirectly from generations of whites only quotas. Yours is an incredibly pompous and self serving argument. You have never experienced white schools rejected a black students standardized test scores because they were higher than all of the white students in the otherwise all white school. I have experienced that.

Read this article in this weeks New York Village Voice. It says it all “White America Has Lost Its Mind” http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-09-29/news/white-america-has-lost-its-mind/

Thanks Patrick and Steve!

armwood said:
If you see no racism in those three you are blind. You do not know what racism is!

The only thing WE do not know is WHO you are? We do know you are an uninformed lib hiding behind a phony name. Other than that, you could be a fat 15 year old gay kid from Fire Island playing with your pimps computer.

CosmosDan said:
Yes I read it and I’m familiar with that clip. It doesn’t prove anything. Gordon said people were being paid to be there and constantly claims that he stands behind everything he says. I’m asking him, or you if you like, to back that up. Innuendo and speculation is not enough. Prove it or rephrase to more accurate language that reflects an opinion rather than fact. He can admit he doesn’t know but believes it, fine. That’s an opinion. When you state something as if it’s factual you can back it up or admit you can’t.

I have been searching the internet to see where CosmosDan has a TRUTH Police license? Can’t find one? Sorry no license, you don’t get to demand answers.
Let me explain something to you that should be obvious, union members don’t do anything for FREE. When they have a strike, if you don’t do your turn on the picket line you have to PAY someone to take your place. The leaders of the unions that attended that rally did not go there on their on their own dime. I don’t need to prove it, it is the way they operate. It is common knowledge if you KNOW anything about the unions.

armwood said:
Well you do not understand racism! You need to go back to school and study with some professors who are familiar with racism from the perspective of the recipient, not the perpetrator. Then you might understand and then, maybe not. Many people are unable to understand experiences beyond their own narrow word view.

armwood said:
An who decided that you were superior to any black person? You have benefitted directly and indirectly from generations of whites only quotas. Yours is an incredibly pompous and self serving argument. You have never experienced white schools rejected a black students standardized test scores because they were higher than all of the white students in the otherwise all white school. I have experienced that.

Read this article in this weeks New York Village Voice. It says it all “White America Has Lost Its Mind” http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-09-29/news/white-america-has-lost-its-mind/

Lmao. Sorry to disappoint you, but I actually am a Black person who grew up on welfare in the Bronx, NY. I guess you couldn’t identify my race correctly because I didn’t say the things Black people are supposed to say. Maybe you’d identify me as an Uncle Tom because I feel that being myself is more important than “being Black” or because I believe that we only deserve and are entitled to what we earn ourselves. I speak to my own experience as a Black American who has lived in the projects while going to an all-white school full of very rich people as a child. I’ve dealt with racism and reverse racism. I’ve been a beneficiary and a victim of affirmative action. I didn’t need to try to apply some type of label to you and then use that to make you fit into my “narrow world view” so that I could just throw a bunch of stereotypical crap at you to see what sticks, using whatever attack of the day is in vogue to try to feel better about myself and claim intellectual superiority. I didn’t even know you were black until I read your last attack and clicked on your picture. Nor do I care that you are. I took the christian teachings of Dr. King to heart and learned not to judge anyone by their color, race or creed. And my professors at Yale taught me not to make assumptions when I can use evidence. The picture created by the evidence of your posts in this thread is certainly an unflattering one. I can totally understand why you want to avoid being judged on your own merits and tout your own intelligence but post links to what other people say instead of substantiating your own theories and beliefs.

atreyue said:
There’s nothing at all racist about what Rand Paul said. He just happens to believe in Capitalism and in the American People. Would most people patronize a business that refused service to Blacks? No, they’d take their money elsewhere and those businesses would suffer until they came around or ultimately go under. Problem solved without government having to get involved much if at all.

I like the idea of abstinence-only, but didn’t have the balls to practice it when I was a kid. Having to bridge that gap between an ideal and harsh reality once I’m parent is what I’m looking forward to least once I get that job. The government’s doing such a crappy job managing social security, the only reason I know for sure privatizing would be even worse is because the corrupt government will be handling the privatizing.

I’m not a tea partier or a republican, but I do believe that people are supporting new candidates that appear to be anti-establishment because they understand that it’s not a question of tax/don’t tax or regulate/de-regulate. As long as there’s widespread corruption on both sides of the aisle in the government, the patriot act will be a massive government power grab and the healthcare reform will be a payoff to insurance companies. Obama won because he ran as the anti-establishment candidate. McCain won the nomination because he ran up to that point as the same for his party. As long as people are tricked into abdicating their responsibility to pay attention in favor of fighting for their ’side’, each side can take turns electing all the hope & change candidates – who are just as much “extreme cultural and economic ideologues” as our current president is to those citizens that disagree with him – as they like. We won’t see real changes until politicians learn there are real penalties for abusing their positions and selling out the public trust. Can you honestly say you’re supporting the type of candidate you think you are? Or just that you’re supporting the one with the “D” in front of his name?

Obviously you know nothing about America and American history. I lived and experienced segregations. You have no idea about what you are talking about. Get an education in American history. Ran Paul’s position, like Barry Goldwater’s was and is racist. You want to live in a society like that leave America. You do not deserve to be here. People fought and died to make America the place it was. People who think like you were the enemy and thank God you lost.

gordonbloyershow said:
The only thing WE do not know is WHO you are? We do know you are an uninformed lib hiding behind a phony name. Other than that, you could be a fat 15 year old gay kid from Fire Island playing with your pimps computer.

I am who I say I am. You are stupid. Where do you get this phony name lie from? I see why you post the way you do. You see conspiracies under every bed. Who are you? I am not ashamed to use my real photo. Can you say the same? Grow up and finally leave the school yard behind.

atreyue said:
Lmao. Sorry to disappoint you, but I actually am a Black person who grew up on welfare in the Bronx, NY. I guess you couldn’t identify my race correctly because I didn’t say the things Black people are supposed to say. Maybe you’d identify me as an Uncle Tom because I feel that being myself is more important than “being Black” or because I believe that we only deserve and are entitled to what we earn ourselves. I speak to my own experience as a Black American who has lived in the projects while going to an all-white school full of very rich people as a child. I’ve dealt with racism and reverse racism. I’ve been a beneficiary and a victim of affirmative action. I didn’t need to try to apply some type of label to you and then use that to make you fit into my “narrow world view” so that I could just throw a bunch of stereotypical crap at you to see what sticks, using whatever attack of the day is in vogue to try to feel better about myself and claim intellectual superiority. I didn’t even know you were black until I read your last attack and clicked on your picture. Nor do I care that you are. I took the christian teachings of Dr. King to heart and learned not to judge anyone by their color, race or creed. And my professors at Yale taught me not to make assumptions when I can use evidence. The picture created by the evidence of your posts in this thread is certainly an unflattering one. I can totally understand why you want to avoid being judged on your own merits and tout your own intelligence but post links to what other people say instead of substantiating your own theories and beliefs.

What all white school did you go to in the Bronx? Clearly it was not a public school. You family was on welfare. You lived on the public dole. No one in my family ever did so what are you saying? You feel privileged because you went to Yale? You were. But unfortunately for you somewhere along the way, you lost your way. Don’t talk to me about MLK. I went to school with one of MLK’s children. I know is writings well. You should have also studied some of the speeches of Malcolm X, or former Harvard professor Derrick Bell just to name two. Obviously you did not earn all that you received. so how dare you speak to me this way young man. I have lived and seen a lot more than you have.

armwood said:
If you see no racism in those three you are blind. You do not know what racism is!

Damn, you’re back!

atreyue said:
Maybe you’d identify me as an Uncle Tom because I feel that being myself is more important than “being Black” or because I believe that we only deserve and are entitled to what we earn ourselves.

atreyue, you are a great American!

armwood said:
Well you do not understand racism!

Armwood, I promise you that I would NEVER vote for a candidate that would treat you differently than me because of race. I truly don’t believe Palin or Paul are racist. Honestly, I don’t know alot about Paladino yet, other than he has a crude sense of humor. He may be a racist, but I would reserve that label until I know how he treats others rather than on the basis of telling a racist joke.

armwood said:
Obviously I can easily explain things to myself.

Obviously, you’re not very good at it, as evidenced by your epic Shakespearean fail. Also, you see to be quite a pretentious bastard. What’s up with that?

Obviously you did not earn all that you received. so how dare you speak to me this way young man. I have lived and seen a lot more than you have.

This is not impressive, it’s asinine. You should step back and check yourself.

armwood said:
What all white school did you go to in the Bronx? Clearly it was not a public school. You family was on welfare. You lived on the public dole. No one in my family ever did so what are you saying? You feel privileged because you went to Yale? You were. But unfortunately for you somewhere along the way, you lost your way. Don’t talk to me about MLK. I went to school with one of MLK’s children. I know is writings well. You should have also studied some of the speeches of Malcolm X, or former Harvard professor Derrick Bell just to name two. Obviously you did not earn all that you received. so how dare you speak to me this way young man. I have lived and seen a lot more than you have.

I went to CES 58x in the Bronx (where there were no white kids) until junior high, when I started attending St. Bernard’s School in Manhattan after attending a very well-known gifted student program in NYC called Prep for Prep and getting a full scholarship. Every morning I rode the train into what was essentially another world and back again at the end of the day. Because I grew up on the “public dole”, I refuse to ever be on it again, in any way. I feel privileged because I went to Yale because I got to see and understand how the privileged class lives, what they value and what is required to join their ranks. I never forgot where I came from and the positive values that I was taught, so I resolved that I was going to use Yale to further my studies instead of my ambitions. Funny how quickly I can go from obviously being unable to understand racism because I don’t have the recipient’s viewpoint when you thought I was white to having lost my way once you found out I was Black. I mentioned Yale so you’d skip all your 88th ranked BS and maybe try actually presenting an argument. So now I have to listen to you speak from the grizzled veteran ‘perspective’ since you can’t use the intellectual superiority one with me. I don’t care who you went to school with. Nor do I care who I went to school with. No amount of name-dropping can make whatever point you think you’re making without presenting any actual arguments for you. I don’t care how old you are, either. If you used to roll with Jesus himself, it still wouldn’t make you holy. I’m only going to judge you on what you say here in my dealings with you. There are things that I’ve received that I’m uncertain I got due to my own merits as opposed to the color of my skin. That’s one of the reasons why you don’t see me making comments on here as to the superiority of my school’s ranking to yours. Affirmative action may have been a help to your generation, old man, but it’s a hindrance to mine. I’m sorry that the world has changed from the one that you grew up in, just as it was certainly tougher in MLK’s day than either of ours. And I’m really sorry that the young, promising leaders who worked with and followed in the wake of MLK for the Black community turned out to be lousy people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. You’ll never know how sorry I am that these people sold their souls for money and fame and sold out the Black community to their democrat masters, allowing negativity to be sown for generations and sewn into the fabric of the Black racial and cultural identity. I dare to speak to you in the fashion that you deserve after the insults and hatred that you’ve spewed here. You’re the enemy here, proudly hiding behind the words of others who at least formulated thoughts for themselves, even if I disagree with their conclusions. There’s no room for disagreement in your world. You won’t allow it, because then you could be wrong, or *gasp* to blame even. I see right through your petty attacks and attempts to use convention to protect your “beliefs” instead of rationality. Again, your un-american claims are exactly what you denigrate the tea party people you so revile for using. You’re trying to play a game that I have no interest in participating in.

Patrick Henry said:
Armwood, I promise you that I would NEVER vote for a candidate that would treat you differently than me because of race. I truly don’t believe Palin or Paul are racist. Honestly, I don’t know alot about Paladino yet, other than he has a crude sense of humor. He may be a racist, but I would reserve that label until I know how he treats others rather than on the basis of telling a racist joke.

Trust me that person who tells racist jokes is a racist. The behavior of a racist is illustrated by what they do. Palin defending the use of the N word was defending racism which her a racists. All of these libertarians would feel quite differently if they were a minority in a country that has practiced inter generation racism and genocide.

Patrick Henry said:
Damn, you’re back!

I’m more than happy to let you use my punching bag for a while.

Pablo said:
Also, you see to be quite a pretentious bastard. What’s up with that?

Well you do not understand pretentiousness! You need to go back to school and study with some professors who are familiar with pretentiousness from the perspective of the perpetrator, not the recipient. Then you might understand and then, maybe not. Many people are unable to understand experiences beyond their own narrow word view. Did you by any chance go to a law school ranked 88 in the USA? because that would explain a lot.

Look at all the mindless bible-babble. And what would a Repug little person possibly know about “honor”??
The Repg party has never been a breeding ground for”honor.”

The Hate-Mongers, Communists, Socialists and Marxist’s are approaching PATHETIC! There are pictures all over YouTube of side by side photos of the two rallies and they don’t even come close to the 8/28 rally. Plus, these COMMIE maggots left the place TRASHED. The clean up is said to be at $200,000. The Beck Rally was left in a spotless condition. More proof that the Leftist Loons are an irresponsible bunch of PIGS with no respect for anyone, not even themselves! SOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEE PIG!! You and your Dear Leader are a disgrace to this beautiful country!

So I don’t misunderstand, armwood (a white person) is lecturing atreyue (a black person) on what it’s like to be black? Is that what’s going on here?

writer said:
So I don’t misunderstand, armwood (a white person) is lecturing atreyue (a black person) on what it’s like to be black? Is that what’s going on here?

He’s a light-skinned or mixed black person, s far as I can tell.

Okay. Carry on.

armwood said:
You do not deserve to be here. People fought and died to make America the place it was. People who think like you were the enemy and thank God you lost.

atreyue said:
Sorry to disappoint you, but I actually am a Black person

Somebody sounds a little raaaaaaaacist! (and I’m talking to you armwood!) hahaha

Seriously, this conversation is AWESOME. Check out all of the accusations, hostility, finger pointing, assumptions and pretense coming from armwood!

atreyue rocks!

“One nation working together”

Except, of course, for those retarded tea baggers, living in their trailors, listening to toby keith and fucking their cousins.

Did that black “joe” radio guy have his stomach stapled or something? He has the deflated look of an Al Roker or Jerrold Nadler. I seem to remember him being a fat guy.

gordonbloyershow said:
I have been searching the internet to see where CosmosDan has a TRUTH Police license? Can’t find one? Sorry no license, you don’t get to demand answers.
Let me explain something to you that should be obvious, union members don’t do anything for FREE. When they have a strike, if you don’t do your turn on the picket line you have to PAY someone to take your place. The leaders of the unions that attended that rally did not go there on their on their own dime. I don’t need to prove it, it is the way they operate. It is common knowledge if you KNOW anything about the unions.

In other words you can’t back it up, and don’t really stand behind everything you say except with weasel words like “common knowledge” Okay! now we all know. Thanks for playing.
Just so ya know, It’s perfectly okay to say “I overstated” or “it’s only my opinion”

armwood said:
The behavior of a racist is illustrated by what they do.

Would that include playing the race card?

murf said:
Aerial Photos!: Glenn Beck’s Restoring Honor Rally vs. One Nation Rally http://fwd4.me/36F OneNation rally trashes the WWII memorial. http://ow.ly/2NxRI

Thanks Murf

Calvin said:
You’re on to something here dude… I don’t even know who “Barak Obama” is. Is he related to Barack Obama?I’m especially underwhelmed by the fact that “Paladino went toa law school ranked 88 in the USA.” By the way, your sentence structure is absolutely impeccable. If I’m not mistaken, you have a master’s degree in English. I’ll bet you graduated magna cum laude. Admit it. You’re the smartest guy in the room when you’re in a room by yourself, aren’t you?

Wow, Armwort has a JD and he “takes on” all the wheelers and dealers…but he can’t spell their names.

Delusions of grandeur perhaps?

I’ll go you one further, Armwood is a 24k phony.

gordonbloyershow said:
fat 15 year old gay kid from Fire Island playing with your pimps computer.

Got a lot of experience with that, do ya?

atreyue said:
No amount of name-dropping can make whatever point you think you’re making without presenting any actual arguments for you. I don’t care how old you are, either. If you used to roll with Jesus himself, it still wouldn’t make you holy. I’m only going to judge you on what you say here in my dealings with you. There are things that I’ve received that I’m uncertain I got due to my own merits as opposed to the color of my skin. That’s one of the reasons why you don’t see me making comments on here as to the superiority of my school’s ranking to yours. Affirmative action may have been a help to your generation, old man, but it’s a hindrance to mine. I’m sorry that the world has changed from the one that you grew up in, just as it was certainly tougher in MLK’s day than either of ours. And I’m really sorry that the young, promising leaders who worked with and followed in the wake of MLK for the Black community turned out to be lousy people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton

Thanks for your intelligent thoughtful input in this thread.

atreyue said:
When you talk about correct principles and proper laws, I think you’re actually approaching the heart of libertarianism. If laws are attempting to force us and business to be more “moral”, there’s always going to be a problem, because there’s a high level of moral diversity in America and most especially in the world. Laws can often assume the morality of the lawmaker (assuming them not to be corrupt, of course) and impose that upon everyone. Libertarian ideas say that if you don’t try to force or nudge people, individuals will make their own decisions and sort things out on their own in due course. That’s not to say there should be no government. But looking out for the interests of the general public has seemed to require higher and higher levels of government intervention over time. The government interferes with the free market and then claims that it’s broken after the interference makes matters worse. Leviticus is a prefect example of how attempts to control the masses require more and more control to be exerted through more and more complex laws. So 1 commandment leads to 10, and 10 lead to 10000 and so on until you have something far different and oppressive than was ever intende

I understand and agree in principle. I have a very good friend here who is a libertarian and we’ve had many conversations over a beer or two. I respect the principles. I agree that too many intrusions are oppressive and can stifle growth, innovation, and the free market. That’s especially true when you our elected officials act in collusion with their supporters to promote their financial interests over the general welfare of the public. IMO although the basic principles of the libertarian may be sound what they do not account for is the lack of principles in people which is expressed in bad business and bad leaders. It is a constant process of trying to maintain balance between promoting the general welfare of society and laws that prevent personal and financial growth. It won’t be perfect because we are not perfect, and requires our continued efforts.
I believe you mentioned affirmative action in another post. That might be a good example of something that served a good purpose at one time but needs to be monitored and done away with at some point.
If we decide to make better educational opportunities available to more kids it can be based on economics rather than race , with the understanding that allowing kids to pursue their education will be a boon to society as a whole.

atreyue said:
You are saying that people seem to think there’s an immutable set of principles and laws that need to be in place for everything to work fine, and that is a recipe for disaster because the world is constantly changing and these laws don’t change to keep up with it. I posit that the problem is actually that people are trying to control people’s lives. They are only supposed to allow societies to function, not make sure each society is the best it could possibly be as determined by whichever ideologue is in power. If the government stopped trying to control the economy, it may never have gotten this bad and probably would have recovered by now.

I’m saying that libertarians seem to think their basic principles are all we need to put in place and then mankind and the economy will work itself out. While that may be true in the long multi generational way, I’m not convinced it’s the better path. I think people and business need some regulation and those regulations will become less necessary as society advances and decent principles become more internalized by a larger % of the population.

atreyue said:
This ties into civil rights in that I think it’s very hard to make a convincing case for saying that the plight of Blacks had been put so squarely into the public awareness that it could change the law of the land, but not so much that the overall shift that would have required in the public consciousness to happen would not have impacted businesses. There’s always going to be some type of real present day suffering. Government intervention has far-reaching effects that are just as often bad as good. Affirmative Action probably seemed like a good idea at the time (and I’m certain it still does to many), but the practice has soured many against Blacks and caused many blacks to doubt their own abilities because you never know whether you earned something or are just filling a quota.

I think if people had continued to press the issue of equality in the 60s in time things would have changed without the law, but how quickly, and with how much suffering. Is government intervention so bad that it’s preferable to take an extra 20 to 40 years? No solution will be perfect, but I think it’s acceptable for us as a society to decide when to intervene, and the process continues. Like most things affirmative action has it’s down side as well as it’s up side. That’s what the search for balance is all about. I think it opens a door that might not otherwise be opened and at that point it’s up to the individual to do what they can with the opportunity.
I don’t have much sympathy for people who stood idly by while their black brothers and sisters were mistreated and then get “soured” because of affirmative action. Reparations is a very real basic aspect of justice. Even now I see people decrying the evils of racist language with a complete lack of perspective about the incredible ugliness of our nations history of racism. When a crime is committed an apology is not enough. We understand that very easily how that principle applies to an individual incident but it’s much more complex to try and apply it to the very real crime of racism. There are the downsides of an attitude of victim hood and entitlement, and the self doubt you mentioned , and those need to be recognized and addressed, but that doesn’t mean that justice should be set aside to avoid those pitfalls.

atreyue said:
I’m not a tea partier or a republican, but I do believe that people are supporting new candidates that appear to be anti-establishment because they understand that it’s not a question of tax/don’t tax or regulate/de-regulate. As long as there’s widespread corruption on both sides of the aisle in the government, the patriot act will be a massive government power grab and the healthcare reform will be a payoff to insurance companies. Obama won because he ran as the anti-establishment candidate. McCain won the nomination because he ran up to that point as the same for his party. As long as people are tricked into abdicating their responsibility to pay attention in favor of fighting for their ’side’, each side can take turns electing all the hope & change candidates – who are just as much “extreme cultural and economic ideologues” as our current president is to those citizens that disagree with him – as they like. We won’t see real changes until politicians learn there are real penalties for abusing their positions and selling out the public trust. Can you honestly say you’re supporting the type of candidate you think you are? Or just that you’re supporting the one with the “D” in front of his name?

Unfortunately I think many people are involved in the Tea Party movement because they have believed the hype that if we just get conservatives back in control things will get better and there are simple solutions to very long term complex problems.
I completely agree that the major issue is corruption on both sides of the aisle. I’d love to see the massive group of moderates in this country begin to focus on the corruption issue and start throwing people out on both sides of the aisle and insisting on some serious changes to campaign financing and lobbying. Those that influence behind the scenes still pale to the weight of the public if stop allowing ourselves to be side tracked and divided

Matt Herrick said:
I saw the footage from MSNBC (not exactly an impartial observer) for both events, and it is obvious that there weren’t NEARLY as many people at todays event. Those who say otherwise are liars.

go to wlsam.com, check don and roma wade, and look for the comparison pics. there was almost nobody at yesterday’s “rally”.

Lord Beck, said today that he doesn’t care who had a larger crowd, it didn’t matter! He then went on for 3 or 4 mins. about how his crowd was the largest! With great pain, it did look like Becks crowd was a little larger! The best part of Clown Becks show was the cut and paste he did on the rally! You can guess how the famous Fox edit made it look! Long live Lord Beck! Bless the tea party network for their honest reporting!

THE ED WAS RIGHT…JUST GET USE TO IT …THOSE THAT LISTEN TO THE ED ARE NOT AFRAID AND DO NOT WALK IN FEAR…JUST GET USE TO THE FACT THAT A UNIONIZED NATION IS A GREAT NATION

CosmosDan said:
I understand and agree in principle. I have a very good friend here who is a libertarian and we’ve had many conversations over a beer or two. I respect the principles. I agree that too many intrusions are oppressive and can stifle growth, innovation, and the free market. That’s especially true when you our elected officials act in collusion with their supporters to promote their financial interests over the general welfare of the public. IMO although the basic principles of the libertarian may be sound what they do not account for is the lack of principles in people which is expressed in bad business and bad leaders. It is a constant process of trying to maintain balance between promoting the general welfare of society and laws that prevent personal and financial growth. It won’t be perfect because we are not perfect, and requires our continued efforts.
I believe you mentioned affirmative action in another post. That might be a good example of something that served a good purpose at one time but needs to be monitored and done away with at some point.
If we decide to make better educational opportunities available to more kids it can be based on economics rather than race , with the understanding that allowing kids to pursue their education will be a boon to society as a whole.

Sorry,was stuck at work all day. I think that in most cases laws that prevent personal and financial growth can be laid at the feet of either politicians who are corrupt or politicians who are trying to use legislation to shape the nation into what they think it ought to be. I don’t think that this country should be steered in a particular direction by people who believe they are our intellectual superiors and can legislate a better, more moral America. Character should be taught through word and deed in communities, where reality will always allow us to see the truth for ourselves and decide how to live for ourselves. The government has usurped all the power and responsibility of the community, and much of the takeover was spurred and supported by people who probably originally just wanted to be able to live their own lives without interference. Unfortunately people have a bad habit of going from trying to be heard to trying to force their viewpoint on everyone else. The cycle of power corrupting leading to backlash and the rise of the next power only works because people think the government should be used to herd instead of conserve. Where do we draw the line on deciding what’s for the welfare of society? I think social (moral) change should be something the government dabbles in rarely if ever. What constitutes a better educational opportunity? Is it having more funds for books? More sports? More music? Religion in schools, Christianity struck from schools? I wish I was old enough to know what schools were like before the Dept of Ed. existed, so I could have perspective on whether No Child Left Behind is a perfectly logical extension of the philosophy behind the dept’s inception. Government takes away the ability to have a debate and have more than one solution be decided on and attempted in each community when it starts to legislate choices away. I think the constitution was purposely made a list of negative liberties, and that that decision was the right one.

CosmosDan said:
I’m saying that libertarians seem to think their basic principles are all we need to put in place and then mankind and the economy will work itself out. While that may be true in the long multi generational way, I’m not convinced it’s the better path. I think people and business need some regulation and those regulations will become less necessary as society advances and decent principles become more internalized by a larger % of the population.

People and groups organize boycotts and demonstrations all the time, many of which are successful. Consumers can hold any business hostage if that business isn’t shielded by government. That immense power is only blunted when free speech is stifled or subverted. The republican establishment is attempting to do that very thing with the Tea Party right now.

timcajun said:
Lord Beck, said today that he doesn’t care who had a larger crowd, it didn’t matter! He then went on for 3 or 4 mins. about how his crowd was the largest! With great pain, it did look like Becks crowd was a little larger! The best part of Clown Becks show was the cut and paste he did on the rally! You can guess how the famous Fox edit made it look! Long live Lord Beck! Bless the tea party network for their honest reporting!

I just saw that. The problem is you can’t trust the photos or the videos to be honest representations of what’s true. Beck’s presentation was just ridiculous.

CosmosDan said:
I think if people had continued to press the issue of equality in the 60s in time things would have changed without the law, but how quickly, and with how much suffering. Is government intervention so bad that it’s preferable to take an extra 20 to 40 years? No solution will be perfect, but I think it’s acceptable for us as a society to decide when to intervene, and the process continues. Like most things affirmative action has it’s down side as well as it’s up side. That’s what the search for balance is all about. I think it opens a door that might not otherwise be opened and at that point it’s up to the individual to do what they can with the opportunity.
I don’t have much sympathy for people who stood idly by while their black brothers and sisters were mistreated and then get “soured” because of affirmative action. Reparations is a very real basic aspect of justice. Even now I see people decrying the evils of racist language with a complete lack of perspective about the incredible ugliness of our nations history of racism. When a crime is committed an apology is not enough. We understand that very easily how that principle applies to an individual incident but it’s much more complex to try and apply it to the very real crime of racism. There are the downsides of an attitude of victim hood and entitlement, and the self doubt you mentioned , and those need to be recognized and addressed, but that doesn’t mean that justice should be set aside to avoid those pitfalls.

I’m not saying that the whole Civil Rights acts shouldn’t have happened. Just making the case for the part Rand Paul was specifically referring to with desegregation of private business. As far as reparations go, when a heinous crime is committed, no reparations are ever enough to redress it. The wronged party needs to be allowed to heal. It doesn’t seem that reparations have done anything for Native Americans. Handouts and special dispensation seem to have only finished off the proud spirit of a culture that had already been nearly wiped out. \While it would help to assuage the guilt that some whites feel for crimes committed by their ancestors or even the racism indulged in by their parents, I don’t believe they would serve any real benefit to the black community. Justice being served is about penalties and punishments being levied against the guilty party. With the guilty parties dead and the practice shamed, there is no more justice to mete. Opportunity is great, and it’s the bedrock of America. Trying to provide certainties is something you can only do at cost to others, and it shouldn’t be for anyone to decide that I have to give up something I’ve earned so someone else can have what they want or what you feel they are entitled to. They should work for theirs, just like I’ve had to work for mine.

I see only the right wing nuts are posting here. Not caring about or for other people, there will come a time when you will regret it. Most right wing nuts are Christian, if they ever pick up their Bible, they would see that Jesus cared about everyone. What a bunch of hypocrites these people are, they have their head so far up Rush, Sean, Glenn and Bill’s butt they can’t see the light. I can only have pity for the fools.

atreyue said:
I’m not saying that the whole Civil Rights acts shouldn’t have happened. Just making the case for the part Rand Paul was specifically referring to with desegregation of private business. As far as reparations go, when a heinous crime is committed, no reparations are ever enough to redress it. The wronged party needs to be allowed to heal. It doesn’t seem that reparations have done anything for Native Americans. Handouts and special dispensation seem to have only finished off the proud spirit of a culture that had already been nearly wiped out. \While it would help to assuage the guilt that some whites feel for crimes committed by their ancestors or even the racism indulged in by their parents, I don’t believe they would serve any real benefit to the black community. Justice being served is about penalties and punishments being levied against the guilty party. With the guilty parties dead and the practice shamed, there is no more justice to mete. Opportunity is great, and it’s the bedrock of America. Trying to provide certainties is something you can only do at cost to others, and it shouldn’t be for anyone to decide that I have to give up something I’ve earned so someone else can have what they want or what you feel they are entitled to. They should work for theirs, just like I’ve had to work for mine.

I agree that Rand Paul was excessively vilified for just having a certain opinion, but he’s running for office. He got pulled into situation he could have prevented had he handled it better.

I don’t agree justice is just about penalties and punishment. I do agree there are certain things that reparations can never fully correct but that doesn’t justify no effort. The question is , as you say, when do reparations become more detrimental than helpful. That’s a legitimate question that honest people can disagree on.
I’m not sure where you get the idea that reparations were seriously attempted with native Americans but no matter. it’s not a subject I’m well versed in.
Nobody is talking about providing certainties. It’s about making sure doors are open to those that had too many closed doors before. It’s about providing opportunity.
You can point out the injustice of a student getting an advantage by virtue of skin color but the truth is , that equality was denied a 1000 times over in the past. The imperfections are part of the cost of living in a society together.

CosmosDan said:
I agree that Rand Paul was excessively vilified for just having a certain opinion, but he’s running for office. He got pulled into situation he could have prevented had he handled it better.

I don’t agree justice is just about penalties and punishment. I do agree there are certain things that reparations can never fully correct but that doesn’t justify no effort. The question is , as you say, when do reparations become more detrimental than helpful. That’s a legitimate question that honest people can disagree on.
I’m not sure where you get the idea that reparations were seriously attempted with native Americans but no matter. it’s not a subject I’m well versed in.
Nobody is talking about providing certainties. It’s about making sure doors are open to those that had too many closed doors before. It’s about providing opportunity.
You can point out the injustice of a student getting an advantage by virtue of skin color but the truth is , that equality was denied a 1000 times over in the past. The imperfections are part of the cost of living in a society together.

If the benefit of something is only short term, then maybe it’s not really a solution. We shouldn’t treat society as something we should constantly try to balance. Every handout comes at cost that is discovered or accounted for later. It’s like saying reparations will have 2 years of benefits outweighing repercussions and then will sway in the other direction, so you’re scrambling for a counterbalance. I posit that isn’t a good solution to a perceived problem, and so it shouldn’t be used. More importantly, I don’t think you can create a better society by trying to work your way up to it. You have to start out with where you want to be. You can’t expect to identify inequality as a problem and create inequality to solve it, because you’re undermining yourself from the outset.

LisaLoo 622 says:

I see only the right wing nuts are posting here. Not caring about or for other people, there will come a time when you will regret it. Most right wing nuts are Christian, if they ever pick up their Bible, they would see that Jesus cared about everyone. What a bunch of hypocrites these people are, they have their head so far up Rush, Sean, Glenn and Bill’s butt they can’t see the light. I can only have pity for the fools

Nothing posted here has been more true! I would say most right wing nuts “claim” to be Christians, if we can pass judgement the same as they do, they sure don’t act Christian. Where in the bible does it say to spread fear, hate, lies and mis-treatment of others?

gordonbloyershow said:
The rally is a joke. The same old sixties speeches. Jesse was his same blubbering self.
This is how you define astroturf rally. Loaded with people paid to be there.
400 organizations only needed to get 1,000 each to get to 400,000. I would say they may have 200,000 but that is a BIG flop.

DAMN THOSE 60 speeches! Ya’ll should have listened to Gordan! He told you what would happen if you went forward with this “civil rights” thing.