Rachel Maddow Blasts Politifact ‘Bullpucky’ Claiming Her WI Budget Report Was False

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by Frances Martel | 10:47 pm, February 24th, 2011

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Rachel Maddow‘s corrections segment, “Debunction Junction,” just corrected a correction. Maddow was accused of spreading false information by watchdog site Politifact recently when she claimed “Wisconsin is just fine” and on the road to a surplus, and the site attacked her for omitting information about the state’s budget shortfalls. Tonight, she took down the claim with video evidence and then some, saving some time to defend Shepard Smith and address personal attacks on her for being gay.

“Maddow lied!” she shouted, mocking those at Politifact claiming she had never addressed the budget shortfall in Wisconsin, immediately before playing a clip of herself saying “there is a budget shortfall in Wisconsin.” It wasn’t the only time she had addressed it and she had the video to prove it, later mocking Politifact for being “wrong on the facts, and bluntly.” “Putting the word ‘fact’ in your name does not grant you automatic mastery of the facts,” she joked. She also noted that her program had reached out to Politifact (that correspondence here), but they notified the program they were not going to run a correction, which, to Maddow, completely negated the point of the organization.

She also addressed some other internet controversies– namely, the fact that Shepard Smith had used the same data on campaign funding, from the nonpartisan OpenSecrets.org, in his broadcast this week that she did. The seemed to have caused some controversy on the internet, in places Maddow describes as attacking her with claims like “Rachel Maddow is wrong and she looks like a man!” In one of the boldest addresses to personal attacks on her for being gay that she has ever made on the program, she tackled the criticism head-on as baseless, and continued to press the matter of being factually correct. “Just because you don’t like the way it sounds when I say it,” she told detractors, “or just because you don’t like my haircut, or just because you don’t like that I’m gay doesn’t make it not true.” In the interest of being factually correct, she even ceded some ground: “it is true,” she joked, “if you squint sometimes, I look like a dude, and I am definitely gay.”

Maddow concludes by pointing out that, while “calling bullpucky is fun,” the nature of journalism demands some facts before one can start calling bullpucky, whether or not the word “fact” appears in your name.

The segment via MSNBC below:

fox news, Johnny Dollar, msnbc, Politifact, Rachel Maddow, shepard smith

CincySteve

Rachael, you are the only person on TV who thinks that “Wisconsin is fine”. Keep spewing your spin and “bullpucky” whatever that is? Im going to side with the 2009 Pulitzer prize winning group Politifact over your crappy show.
WCinWI

One liberal organization going after another liberal organization. Pass the popcorn!
uglyflamingo

way to go, rachel!
uglyflamingo

WCinWI said:
One liberal organization going after another liberal organization. Pass the popcorn!

lol..rightwingers think anything that is not them is ‘farleft’ or liberal….haha
bigbrainbrad

and now here come the attacks on her sexuality and not what she said
The Real RoyaI King

It would a lot easier to take her “Just because I’m gay doesn’t mean anything!” shtick seriously if there weren’t quotes from her like “So much of my political involvement is tied up in me being a big dyke,” floating around out there.

Just sayin’ Rachel. You can’t have it both ways.
ImNotBlue

This is gonna be tough. The left is going to want to defend Maddow (and agree with the attack on Politifact)… but they’ve used Politifact to attack the right previously. If they attack too much, well, that will hurt their previous (and future) attacks using Politifact. If they don’t attack enough, they won’t be doing their duty to defend Maddow.

BUM BUM BUMMMM
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

How many days did it take her to come out to claim that her previous lies were really true. Sorry but even the democrats in Wisconsin know that you are lying.
The Real RoyaI King

“Despite what you may have heard about Wisconsin’s finances, Wisconsin is on track to have a budget surplus this year.”

“There is a budget shortfall in Wisconsin.”

It is, in fact, one of those two things. She said both of those two things. She really DOES like having it both ways.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Larson/1589499840 Eric Larson

So she shows a .5 second clip of her saying there is a shortfall but does not show the rest of her clip were she says WI is just fine and have a surplus and everything is wine and Roses there and Etc….

Hmmmmm. Do people really fall for this?
http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Glackin/100000892011713 Joseph Glackin

Sloppy work has no ideology. Today Glenn Beck stumbled and tap-danced through a somewhat apology for some of his mistakes on Tues. He used the famous “if anyone was offended” slidestep, but it was a start. Tonight Ms. Maddow called Politifact on what seem to be inaccuracies in their work. None of this was to do with politics. It was simple laziness. Also a classic reminder of the old advice; “Be sure brain is in gear before putting mouth in motion.”
Grammie

I must have missed it but surely she made that a general defense all women in the public eye such as Ann Coulter and all the mAnn Coulter and tranny thrown her way on those very sites that usually idolize Maddow.
da-wdc

The Real RoyaI King said:
It would a lot easier to take her “Just because I’m gay doesn’t mean anything!” shtick seriously if there weren’t quotes from her like “So much of my political involvement is tied up in me being a big dyke,” floating around out there.

Sometimes I wonder what motivates people to go on a comment thread only to write, as if it they’re the first one to think of this, “OMG, she looks like a man” (she does not) or attack her for being gay like it’s some kind of an insult. I mean, it’s 2011 people! I see it on this site and I wonder what kind of sad, small-minded person still feels the need to make those kind of comments. It just doesn’t make sense to me on any level.
The Real RoyaI King

da-wdc said:
Sometimes I wonder what motivates people to go on a comment thread only to write, as if it they’re the first one to think of this, “OMG, she looks like a man” (she does not) or attack her for being gay like it’s some kind of an insult. I mean, it’s 2011 people! I see it on this site and I wonder what kind of sad, small-minded person still feels the need to make those kind of comments. It just doesn’t make sense to me on any level.

It’s not an insult, and I didn’t say anything about her looking like a man. She said that. But she tries to act as if her orientation doesn’t inform her political ideology, which it clearly does, and which she’s admitted in the past.

That’s not being small-minded, that’s being accurate.
da-wdc

The Real RoyaI King said:
It’s not an insult, and I didn’t say anything about her looking like a man. She said that. But she tries to act as if her orientation doesn’t inform her political ideology, which it clearly does, and which she’s admitted in the past.
That’s not being small-minded, that’s being accurate.

No, I know you didn’t say it. I wasn’t trying to imply that you did – apologies if it came off that way. I was more speculating on why people in general write these kinds of comments.
Alz

Who watches her?
Lee Harvey

GOP fears Maddow. Actually, they fear everything.
The Real RoyaI King

da-wdc said:
No, I know you didn’t say it. I wasn’t trying to imply that you did – apologies if it came off that way. I was more speculating on why people in general write these kinds of comments.

The same people who write about Barack HUSSIEN 0bama, and Henny Glenny O’Beckerhead, I’d suppose.

No worries, context on the internet and all that. It’s late, past my beddy time.
Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window)

Rachel Maddow Lies to Leno About Republican Campaign Contributions

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/02/23/rachel-maddow-lies-leno-about-republican-political-contributions#ixzz1EwU1OEEc
WCinWI

The Real RoyaI King said:
It’s not an insult, and I didn’t say anything about her looking like a man. She said that. But she tries to act as if her orientation doesn’t inform her political ideology, which it clearly does, and which she’s admitted in the past.

That’s not being small-minded, that’s being accurate.

I agree with you on this point. If you’re gay, own it on TV. That Thomas guy on MSNBC should own his sexuality more. He’s gay – own that. I don’t care if Rachel is gay. I merely just wished she wore more than gray or black. :)
WCinWI

The Real RoyaI King said:
The same people who write about Barack HUSSIEN 0bama, and Henny Glenny O’Beckerhead, I’d suppose.

No worries, context on the internet and all that. It’s late, past my beddy time.

Except he is Barack Hussein Obama.

The dichotomy is that most, not all, lesbian relationships “seem” to have a feminine and masculine personality mix. However, Rachel’s relationship isn’t that at all. It’s butch and butch. People will be petty over that. Thus is society.
da-wdc

WCinWI said:
Except he is Barack Hussein Obama.

Sure, that’s his name. They said it at the inauguration. But you have to appreciate the context – his full name is typically only written out by those who don’t ever have a single good word to say about him. It’s kind of like saying “the Democrat Party” instead of “the Democratic Party.” What it communicates to someone is a preference to throw up a rhetorical middle finger instead of having a conversation.
WCinWI

da-wdc said:
Sure, that’s his name. They said it at the inauguration. But you have to appreciate the context – his full name is typically only written out by those who don’t ever have a single good word to say about him. It’s kind of like saying “the Democrat Party” instead of “the Democratic Party.” What it communicates to someone is a preference to throw up a rhetorical middle finger instead of having a conversation.

If you would like to travel to Madison and talk about this civil relationship style that you speak of, then by all means do so. However, until you get your own Party in check, it’s not a fair assessment.
da-wdc

WCinWI said:
If you would like to travel to Madison and talk about this civil relationship style that you speak of, then by all means do so. However, until you get your own Party in check, it’s not a fair assessment.

You realize it is 100% impossible for any one person to get any political party in check in a free democracy like we have? I mean, what’s the use of saying this? You might as well say that I can’t make a fair assessment unless I walk on water.
WCinWI

da-wdc said:
You realize it is 100% impossible for any one person to get any political party in check in a free democracy like we have? I mean, what’s the use of saying this? You might as well say that I can’t make a fair assessment unless I walk on water.

I think there’s a huge difference in being part of a political Party based on ideology versus one based on grouping members of an ethnic group together. It’s not a good quality to be in a political Party that is based on deception. I mean people on the Right will call other people on the Right out. You don’t see that same thing with members on the Left. It’s a herd mentality. Because the Democratic Party, not union members, but Democratic Party is worried about losing a political arm, they have turned a state into a divisive land where people are being de-friended on Facebook. If you can’t see that we now have the most divisive President who honestly could’ve been one of the greatest Presidents, then I don’t really know what else I can say.

We have serious problems in the US. And until each of us does our part to change the culture in our own circles, we’re doomed. :)
Olby Sucks

da-wdc said:
Sometimes I wonder what motivates people to go on a comment thread only to write, as if it they’re the first one to think of this, “OMG, she looks like a man” (she does not) or attack her for being gay like it’s some kind of an insult. I mean, it’s 2011 people! I see it on this site and I wonder what kind of sad, small-minded person still feels the need to make those kind of comments. It just doesn’t make sense to me on any level.

Ever seen comments made about Ann Coulter on left wing blogs? I’m betting you have and I’m also betting you were dead silent or actually making those comments.
OxyCon

Hey, guess what! If you deliberately withhold facts, slant the truth and tell outright lies…people are going to call you a liar!
And, if you deliberately chose to dress like a man and style your hair like a man, people are going to say you look like a man! Nobody has to squint. (Google “Maddow yearbook photo” to see that Maddow’s looks are a matter of personal preference)
So deal!
da-wdc

Olby Sucks said:
Ever seen comments made about Ann Coulter on left wing blogs? I’m betting you have and I’m also betting you were dead silent or actually making those comments.

Yes, I have seen them. Yes, I have told people to knock it off because it’s wrong. I have never made a comment like that myself; I like to be able to sleep at night. Thanks.
the real john t

WCinWI said:
I think there’s a huge difference in being part of a political Party based on ideology versus one based on grouping members of an ethnic group together. It’s not a good quality to be in a political Party that is based on deception. I mean people on the Right will call other people on the Right out. You don’t see that same thing with members on the Left. It’s a herd mentality. Because the Democratic Party, not union members, but Democratic Party is worried about losing a political arm, they have turned a state into a divisive land where people are being de-friended on Facebook.

OH! So the RW is not worried about their “political arm”. Is that why most of them are so friendly with their big donors the Koch brothers, like Walker is?
da-wdc

And Maddow doesn’t look like a man, is the thing? She really doesn’t. She’s just not girly. A woman with short hair who prefers to wear jeans and a t-shirt instead of a dress = really really really common in America now that most of the country has moved beyond the 1950′s, I think?
WildMan

But, Rachael you have spent the past year going after Christians, Straight Heterosexuals, Conservatives, and so on. Besides you do honestly look like a man the way you always wear men’s clothing and comb your hair. It is really funny how all you so called prime time talking heads over at PMSnbc love to dish it out but, oh how thin skinned you people are when things get turned back to you. The truth hurts, ehhhh!

Rachael if you, Chris, Lawrence, Ed and that new Turkish guy would give the public news instead of all the attacks on everyone from FOX News to Tea Party people to Conservatives to Republicans and so forth and stop with all your sarcastic, bombastic, juvenile trash talking maybe the world would start being nice to you people over at LSDnbc. As it is right now all of you juvenile children over there need to grow the hell up and start doing either the news or just go to Comedy Central and leave the news to Fair & Balanced FOX News and CNN. Right now you people are in 3rd place and out of touch with reality. Sorry, but that’ the Truth…!!!
da-wdc

da-wdc said:
Yes, I have seen them. Yes, I have told people to knock it off because it’s wrong. I have never made a comment like that myself; I like to be able to sleep at night. Thanks.

I should really say I’m not the only one who tells people to knock it off. Usually somebody puts a stop to it. The blogs that are OK with a lot of sexist/homophobic comments aren’t worth reading anyway.
the real john t

WildMan said:
Rachael if you, Chris, Lawrence, Ed and that new Turkish guy would give the public news

Let me know when the evening programs on Fox does that instead of bashing Obama and the left.
BlueBunny

OxyCon said:
Hey, guess what! If you deliberately withhold facts, slant the truth and tell outright lies…people are going to call you a liar!

THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS FOX ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL SUMMED UP IN ONE QUOTE!
Grammie

For an extensive, insightful and well reasoned response/defense from one object of Maddow’s attack tonight:

Rachel Maddow Weaves a Tangled Web

http://johnnydollar.us/files/110224maddow.php#disqus_thread
BlueBunny

WCinWI said:
I mean people on the Right will call other people on the Right out.

HAHHAHAHA THIS IS VERY FUNNY!
illusive man

ImNotBlue said:
This is gonna be tough. The left is going to want to defend Maddow (and agree with the attack on Politifact)… but they’ve used Politifact to attack the right previously. If they attack too much, well, that will hurt their previous (and future) attacks using Politifact. If they don’t attack enough, they won’t be doing their duty to defend Maddow. BUM BUM BUMMMM

STOP!!!!!! paradoxes like that can destroy the fabric of space and time!. And so help me if you destroy the universe you will feel the full wrath of cerberus.;)
Alz

WCinWI said:
I think there’s a huge difference in being part of a political Party based on ideology versus one based on grouping members of an ethnic group together. It’s not a good quality to be in a political Party that is based on deception. I mean people on the Right will call other people on the Right out. You don’t see that same thing with members on the Left. It’s a herd mentality. Because the Democratic Party, not union members, but Democratic Party is worried about losing a political arm, they have turned a state into a divisive land where people are being de-friended on Facebook. If you can’t see that we now have the most divisive President who honestly could’ve been one of the greatest Presidents, then I don’t really know what else I can say.

We have serious problems in the US. And until each of us does our part to change the culture in our own circles, we’re doomed. :)

Yes, it’s the liberals who profile people and divide them into groups. That’s where all of the hyphens came from.

They make sure the groups have an association, etc. and that the group is run by a committed Leftist. This way they can make sure the herd stays in line with leftist doctrine.

They talk about diversity, but it’s never diversity of ideas and it’s ALWAYS groups organized for maximum control. In the late 1960′s, they called these groups “Special Interests” at the DNC conventions.. This was one of the ways that they purged the people with more traditional (Conservative) beliefs from the party.

In each and every case, each group is used to gain more political power. The leadership makes sure each group stays in line and they figure ways to get more Federal dollars to fund things that the groups want – all to keep them in line.

This is one reason why liberals seemingly have no concept of budgets. They don’t care about budgets because if they did, they would lose control.
Grammie

illusive man said:
STOP!!!!!! paradoxes like that can destroy the fabric of space and time!. And so help me if you destroy the universe you will feel the full wrath of cerberus.;)

.
OK, OK!!!!

I won’t say a word so don’t blame me if it happens, pretty pretty please with sugar on it.
the real john t

Grammie said:
http://johnnydollar.us/files/110224maddow.php#disqus_thread

OMG!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!
BlueBunny

WCinWI said:
turned a state into a divisive land

WALKER DID THIS FOR HIS OWN POLITICAL GAIN ! HAND WALKER HIS PINK SLIP! REAL AMERICANS WANT THEIR STATE BACK!
BFD

Jesus F@#king Christ, I don’t give a damn if Rachel is wrong or right but I can’t listen to her prattle by herself for 45 minutes straight.
You need a LOT more guests, Rach.
I don’t know how you guys can listen to Becks solo rantings either.

I need some aspirin.
Grammie

BFD said:
Jesus F@#king Christ

.
Why the need for that?

What does it add to the conversation or the reasonable, as far as I am concerned, comment you made?

What is the purpose from your point of view?
BFD

Grammie said:
What is the purpose from your point of view?

It implies the extreme f@#king aggravation I got from watching Rachel for an hour.

Why does Sarah Palin talk like a sailor but pray like a monk?
murf

What make this hilarious is her ‘ Lean Forward ‘ promo, ” we spend hours researching the facts ” … LOL

” we cover the stories no one else is talking about ” —there is probably a reason for that
BlueBunny

Grammie said:
What is the purpose from your point of view?

Jesus F@#king Christ! FREEDOM OF SPEECH.GET OVER IT ANNIE OAKLEY !
BlueBunny

BFD said:
Why does Sarah Palin talk like a sailor but pray like a monk?

HAHAHHAHAHA!!!
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

Lee Harvey said:
GOP fears Maddow. Actually, they fear everything.

Oswald you missed this time. Use a scope next time.
murf

BFD said:
It implies the extreme f@#king aggravation I got from watching Rachel for an hour.

You liberals sure do spend a lot of time torturing yourself with people you can’t stand.
WHarropson

I agree with you. and maybe for the first time .
There is some best of Beck options out there, particularly the Crash Course.
Try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE367ij3swg
WHarropson

BFD said:
I can’t listen to her prattle by herself for 45 minutes straight.
You need a LOT more guests, Rach.
I don’t know how you guys can listen to Becks solo rantings either.
I need some aspirin.

This is what i was responding to… forgot to quote.

WHarropson said:
I agree with you. and maybe for the first time .
There is some best of Beck options out there, particularly the Crash Course.
Try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE367ij3swg
rover37

SHep is gay , Madcow is gay….. gays stand together. BTW: off topic but have you ever seen Maddows girlfriend? SHe is the biggest ugly fat cow you have ever seen… Ok back to Shep… its time for him to part ways with FOX, I htink he would fit in better at MSNBC. He doesnt get great ratigns for his good time slot..I think FOX voudl put anybody in his place and do just as good..
murf

rover37 said:
SHep is gay , Madcow is gay….. gays stand together. BTW: off topic but have you ever seen Maddows girlfriend? SHe is the biggest ugly fat cow you have ever seen… Ok back to Shep… its time for him to part ways with FOX, I htink he would fit in better at MSNBC. He doesnt get great ratigns for his good time slot..I think FOX voudl put anybody in his place and do just as good..

Cmon dude ..you’re sounding like a leftist commenter on a Limbaugh thread…
George C

rover37 said:
SHep is gay , Madcow is gay….. gays stand together. BTW: off topic but have you ever seen Maddows girlfriend? SHe is the biggest ugly fat cow you have ever seen… Ok back to Shep… its time for him to part ways with FOX, I htink he would fit in better at MSNBC. He doesnt get great ratigns for his good time slot..I think FOX voudl put anybody in his place and do just as good..

That’s just sad . * sigh *
the real john t

rover37 said:
BTW: off topic but have you ever seen Maddows girlfriend? SHe is the biggest ugly fat cow you have ever seen…

Why don’t you just admit you’ve never seen her either.
BFD

rover37 said:
Maddows girlfriend

You are either a very bad troll or a very good asshole.

Not sure which..
rover37

murf said:
Cmon dude ..you’re sounding like a leftist commenter on a Limbaugh thread…

ITs true…. Madcow wont bash gays and if you know the history she priaes Shep since she has been on the air. ITs common knowledge that SHEP is gay….. this is why she praises him. Shep is a liberal and he would fit in better on MSNBC. His republican hate is frustrating to watch …..plus he is hands down the dumbest of the FOx prime time players… not a very smart dude. When he starts to talk about the markets its cringworthy.. he is always talking markets b/c the final bell is when his show ends in the afternoon. He is CLUELSS. IF you look at his ratings they not that good. from 5-9 pm he is the only fox show that averages below 2 million and he has a good time slot…..His act is old..MSNBC is calling him…
rover37

the real john t said:
Why don’t you just admit you’ve never seen her either.

Here she is …. she is about 5 ft and 180 pounds and UGLY as hell..

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/10/Rachel_Maddow.jpg
murf

rover37 said:
ITs true…. Madcow wont bash gays and if you know the history she priaes Shep since she has been on the air. ITs common knowledge that SHEP is gay….. this is why she praises him. Shep is a liberal and he would fit in better on MSNBC. His republican hate is frustrating to watch …..plus he is hands down the dumbest of the FOx prime time players… not a very smart dude. When he starts to talk about the markets its cringworthy.. he is always talking markets b/c the final bell is when his show ends in the afternoon. He is CLUELSS. IF you look at his ratings they not that good. from 5-9 pm he is the only fox show that averages below 2 million and he has a good time slot…..His act is old..MSNBC is calling him…

Y’know usually if someone frustrates me that bad , I ignore and dont watch them..

That being said , you strike me as the ” Karl Spensen ” type…
rover37

Here is another picture of Maddows Obese Girlfriend

http://i29.tinypic.com/13zyjbb.jpg
George C

Why you down on teh gays ?

rover37 said:
WHO CARES….. Anderson is just home sick and needs to get back to his PEnis he likes up his ass

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-announces-he-is-leaving-egypt/
Dem4Ever

She seems proud of the “fact” that she looks like a “dude”.
the real john t

rover37 said:
Here is another picture of Maddows Obese Girlfriend

Why are you bringing in someones personal life into the conversation? Would you like to show us a photo of you and your family?
murf

the real john t brown in Ohio said:
Why are you bringing in someones personal life into the conversation? Would you like to show us a photo of you and your family?

Baseball season is right around the corner , you got any stories to share tonight ?
rover37

the real john t said:
Why are you bringing in someones personal life into the conversation? Would you like to show us a photo of you and your family?

When you decide to be a TV personaluty and go out in public with your Obese girlfriend… she is fair game..Maddow sure didnt give the Palin kids any breaks… what did they do to her? She made fun o fhte entire family… now its tiem to make fun of her HIPPO FAT DISGUSTING OBESE GIRLFRIEND
the real john t

murf said:
Baseball season is right around the corner ,

OH look! My little stalker is back. You do know they’ve got laws against that now don’t you.
the real john t

rover37 said:
When you decide to be a TV personaluty and go out in public with your Obese girlfriend…

All you showed was pictures with no articles. That could be her sister, niece or cousin. Maybe you should do some research before you make a bunch of claims.
murf

the real john t brown in Ohio said:
OH look! My little stalker is back. You do know they’ve got laws against that now don’t you.

Wow just wow.. LOL
rover37

the real john t said:
All you showed was pictures with no articles. That could be her sister, niece or cousin. Maybe you should do some research before you make a bunch of claims.

Here is a ENTIRE ARTICLE with her name, pics and anything else you want to know about the obese girlfriend.

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2010/02/02/rachel-maddow-life-partner-susan-mikula-overweight-unattractive/
George C

murf said:
Wow just wow.. LOL

Right ?
The Real Royal Queen

rover37 said:
Here she is …. she is about 5 ft and 180 pounds and UGLY as hell..

That’s my twin sister you asshole!
the real john t

murf said:
Wow just wow.. LOL

That’s okay murf, I still have your email address saved.
Nacho

She just made Glenn Beck look like the punk b!tch he is.
murf

the real john t brown in Ohio said:
That’s okay murf, I still have your email address saved.

Brownie, you must understand by now I don’t care..
the real john t

rover37 said:
Here is a ENTIRE ARTICLE with her name, pics and anything else you want to know about the obese girlfriend.

Like I asked before, how about showing a picture of you and your wife?
the real john t

murf said:
Brownie, you must understand by now I don’t care..

Well what happened to you coming to my town to kick the shit out of me? Did you chicken out fake Marine? You’re all talk and no walk. Must make you feel big to hide behind your keyboard and talk tough.
rover37

I wonder wonder who is the “man” in the relationship between Madcow and her obese girlfriend? Madcow looks like a boy , but I bet she cant even roll that fat cow of a partner over in bed for sex…. pray to whatever god you pray t that those two never leak a sex tape…. that would be to disturbing to watch.
the real john t

rover37 said:
I wonder wonder who is the “man” in the relationship between Madcow and her obese girlfriend?

Now, I’ll ask for the third time. Show a picture of you and your wife. If you’re going to condemn someone you should be able to prove what a perfect person you are. But I know you’re not because of your comments. I hope the RWers on here like having you on their side.
murf

the real john t said:
Now, I’ll ask for the third time. Show a picture of you and your wife. If you’re going to condemn someone you should be able to prove what a perfect person you are. But I know you’re not because of your comments. I hope the RWers on here like having you on their side.

That’s a pretty high bar , for someone that suggested a female on this site , probably has a webcam for ” fatso.com “
rover37

the real john t said:
Now, I’ll ask for the third time. Show a picture of you and your wife. If you’re going to condemn someone you should be able to prove what a perfect person you are. But I know you’re not because of your comments. I hope the RWers on here like having you on their side.

STFU idiot im not showing a picture of anybody…once I become a public figure you can see the entire family… until then BITE ME!!
the real john t

murf said:
That’s a pretty high bar , for someone that suggested a female on this site , probably has a webcam for ” fatso.com ”

Who was talking to you, coward?

rover37 said:
STFU idiot im not showing a picture of anybody…once I become a public figure you can see the entire family… until then BITE ME!!

Hey murf, this guys a real asset to the RWers isn’t he?
the real john t

rover37 said:
STFU idiot im not showing a picture of anybody…once I become a public figure you can see the entire family… until then BITE ME!!

OH! But you were bitching about people talking about the Palin family. Are they not public figures?
murf

the real john t said:
Who was talking to you, coward?

the real john t said:
Hey murf, this guys a real asset to the RWers isn’t he?

Not as much as you have to diminish your guys role, to appear legitate ,,,
murf

murf said:
Not as much as you have to diminish your guys role, to appear legitate ,,,

Until you have an better idea, dont say nothing
Lou Sarah

“Given the view of some that the future of the Democratic party might be at stake and the quickness with which this budget fight became a national story, it’s understandable for passions to be running high on both sides of the argument. Yet now with the facts unveiled, it will be interesting to see whether Maddow is willing to recalibrate her view.” – Matty Schneider 2/21/11

No Matty Ice, the real question is do you do any research, at ALL, before regurgitating hit pieces on all things progressive? I think someone on this site needs to right an “In defense of journalism” piece calling out this all too common practice of printing crap before fully investigating it just to generate hits. We await your response Matty………………..
Lou Sarah

sorry, that’s write, not right……………..
the real john t

murf said:
Not as much as you have to diminish your guys role, to appear legitate ,,,

Man, can you talk coherently? What the hell is ” legitate “? I can see they threw you out of the bar tonight.
the real john t

murf said:
Until you have an better idea, dont say nothing

You’d better go to bed and sleep it off.
rover37

the real john t said:
OH! But you were bitching about people talking about the Palin family. Are they not public figures?

The kids are off limit..and Maddow/Olbermann and all of MSNBC brought the kids into the picture before Bristol decided to do DWTS…
George C

Lou Sarah said:
We await your response Matty………………..

Uhhhhh , you know that Frances Martel wrote this article don’t you ? I’m sure she’ll pass your message along , LOL .
Alz

rover37 said:
Here is another picture of Maddows Obese Girlfriend

http://i29.tinypic.com/13zyjbb.jpg

Does she sort of look like Drew Carey?
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&biw=1920&bih=1032&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=drew+carey&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=
murf

the real john t said:
OH! But you were bitching about people talking about the Palin family. Are they not public figures?

So u have no solution…. cool … yea thats while ull see a fuck lybia movement
murf

the real john t said:
Man, can you talk coherently? What the hell is ” legitate “? I can see they threw you out of the bar tonight.

Yea , hold that sign high…

Nothing but empty threats
the real john t

rover37 said:
The kids are off limit..and Maddow/Olbermann and all of MSNBC brought the kids into the picture before Bristol decided to do DWTS…

OH! It didn’t have anything to do with Sarah parading them all over the country during the campaign, or Greta going up to Alaska to do 2 segments on the Palin family or Sarahs reality show. Yeah right, it was Maddow and Olbermann that brought them to the spotlight.
the real john t

murf said:
Yea , hold that sign high…
Nothing but empty threats

Damn, you are drunk.
murf

the real john t said:
Man, can you talk coherently? What the hell is ” legitate “? I can see they threw you out of the bar tonight.

i bet you can’t..accountabilty is an hella of an endorsement…
murf

the real john t said:
Damn, you are drunk.

Is that the excuse they go with ?
the real john t

murf said:
Is that the excuse they go with ?

I learned a long time ago to not even attemp to converse with a drunken idiot. Goodnight.
WHarropson

Forgive me if I comment without watching her first. If she and her information is right, why are all those protesters saying that they have already agreed to all the cost cutting measures save the one issue affecting the negotiations thing? Why are they agreeing with every single thing? wisconsin is just fine! We know what to expect of liberals, we must dismiss them even if they believe what it is they are saying with all of their heart. It is liberalism that got Wisconsin into the mess, it’s going to take something else to get it out.
TrollJuice

You are right WHarropson! We should get rid of Liberalism!

Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, “of freedom”)[1] is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but most liberals support such fundamental ideas as constitutions, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, free trade, and the freedom of religion.
TrollJuice

I wonder if YOU people even know what the meaning of the words you espouse to hate.
TrollJuice

Conservatism (Latin: conservare, “to preserve”)[1] is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others oppose modernism and seek a return to the way things were.
Probably NOT wrong

rover37 said:
Here she is …. she is about 5 ft and 180 pounds and UGLY as hell.. http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/10/Rachel_Maddow.jpg

Holy Shit!
At first I thought Rosie O’Donnell had bleached her hair!
BTW Rachel looks like a man because she wants to look like a man!
Worst insult you could put on her is saying she looks like a woman!
But man or woman she is uglier than a bucket of horse shit>
Deny that, then go get an eye exam.
ChrisNH

Wisconsin is NOT ‘just fine,’ but I’m sure she’d dare not re-run the clip of herself saying that. I do like MadCow’s ability to withstand the bludgeoning, though, because I and millions of people will happily keep doing it. We’ll be civil, though, which is what Libs seems to ‘demand’ from others even while they’re being rabid and hypocritical and radical and destructive themselves. An angry, rabid Lib media hack is a GOOD thing, we all agree.
ImJustThatDamnGood

I feel bad, I have used politifact to attack conservatives. Who can you trust anymore? Well there is always ‘Media Matters for America’.
rocky road

By playing the gay card, Maddow is protecting herself for an Olbermann exit. She can scream bigotry. What an ass. You go Maddow, blame your incompetent, failed air america lack of talent on being a lesbian.

Protected class.
TfT

Can you imagine if say Sarah Palin had reacted this way to the criticism launched at her? LOL

Rachel can dish, she just can’t take it.

Typical msnbcer……get a grip Rachel and admit it when you are wrong. Uneffinbelievable.
CosmosDan

WCinWI said:
It’s not a good quality to be in a political Party that is based on deception. I mean people on the Right will call other people on the Right out. You don’t see that same thing with members on the Left. It’s a herd mentality. Because the Democratic Party, not union members, but Democratic Party is worried about losing a political arm, they have turned a state into a divisive land where people are being de-friended on Facebook

Broad generalizations are often wrong and this one is no exception. Elected Democrats have not agreed with each other. The herd mentality thing simply doesn’t exist. There are good public servants in both parties and there are self serving dishonest people in both parties. Both parties “support” those who financially backed their campaigns. IMO we need drastic campaign finance reform.

WCinWI said:
We have serious problems in the US. And until each of us does our part to change the culture in our own circles, we’re doomed. :)

I agree. Average citizens have to police elected officials. We accept far too much dishonesty and corruption.
Dave Richards

After all this gnashing of teeth about Maddow, she is still wrong and is trying to cover her lie with another lie.

p.s. Maddow is the guy in her relationship. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Note to johnt…..stop posting. You’re making a fool of yourself.
tatboy

Grammie said:
For an extensive, insightful and well reasoned response/defense from one object of Maddow’s attack tonight: Rachel Maddow Weaves a Tangled Web http://johnnydollar.us/files/110224maddow.php#disqus_thread

Thanks for the link. Takes aMaddow down point by point. She is a slippery one. But a lie by a really smart person who is able to dance around the lie… is still a lie.
CosmosDan

We got 5 pages and barely addressed what Rachel said.

the truth can be nuanced sometimes. Rachel’s correct. She did clearly say they had a 137 million dollar shortfall. Politifact says
“She added a kicker that is also making the rounds: Walker and fellow Republicans in the Legislature this year gave away $140 million in business tax breaks — so if there is a deficit projected of $137 million, they created it.”

She didn’t say IF. She said there IS a shortfall. She did not directly say the tax breaks to business were the cause of the shortfall, although because of her timing it would be easy to imply that. It might also be interpreted as
“If your state is in such trouble why are you giving millions in tax breaks?”
because; the thrust of her story was not about the details of WI budget. Her story was about union busting and demonstrating that the collective bargaining issue that was the crux of the protests was not about the budget. That’s what Shep Smith agreed with. In that I think Rachel was on the money.
Poltifact did a much better job of analyzing the details of the budget in WI. and Rachel was sloppy in her approach to the budget, but, that’s in part because her main point was to address the false meme that the collective bargaining issue was about the budget. Politifact should have noted that , and Rachel should have noted that her budget analysis was sloppy.
The actual point of her story, the protests in WI were not about the budget, is correct, and Shep got that as well.
crclarkNY

Took her quite a while to address this…and all she could come up with is some lame “semantic” defense?

I don’t even see where Politifact specifically said that Maddow – or other critics – didn’t mention the shortfall. It’s that they emphasized the surplus without making it clear that the surplus was going to be used in part to address a shortfall. Sorry, Rachel – I’ll take facts over semantics any day…
http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints NORBIT Jr.

Here’s why people are turning away from the monopoly of public unions.

Scott Ross, Ex. Dir. Of One Wisconsin (public union) was asked on C-Span about the inherent corruption of collective bargaining and public unions.

The caller asked, if public unions give millions in cash & manpower to elect Democrats, won’t those same Democrats now be beholden to the unions – in effect, using taxpayer money to write contracts and regulations favorable to the public unions, not the taxpayers!

His answer (every time it was brought up): “Well, I just think that’s ridiculous” – then goes on to say how private co.s give to the GOP…totally ignoring the 800lb. Gorilla in the room, the inherent corruption of collective bargaining & public unions.
jjay7381

Don’t care what anyone says, Rachel is awesome and tells it like it is.
Color Me Badd

So now I guess we will wait for Matt Scheinder and Mediaite to apologize to Rachel? I am sure you know now that she did mention the budget shortfall in her original piece.

I get the feeling no one at Mediaite even watched the initial clip they just assumed Politifact is always right and never lies.

Hope you apologize soon.
tatboy

CosmosDan said:
We got 5 pages and barely addressed what Rachel said. the truth can be nuanced sometimes. Rachel’s correct. She did clearly say they had a 137 million dollar shortfall. Politifact says“She added a kicker that is also making the rounds: Walker and fellow Republicans in the Legislature this year gave away $140 million in business tax breaks — so if there is a deficit projected of $137 million, they created it.” She didn’t say IF. She said there IS a shortfall. She did not directly say the tax breaks to business were the cause of the shortfall, although because of her timing it would be easy to imply that. It might also be interpreted as“If your state is in such trouble why are you giving millions in tax breaks?”because; the thrust of her story was not about the details of WI budget. Her story was about union busting and demonstrating that the collective bargaining issue that was the crux of the protests was not about the budget. That’s what Shep Smith agreed with. In that I think Rachel was on the money.Poltifact did a much better job of analyzing the details of the budget in WI. and Rachel was sloppy in her approach to the budget, but, that’s in part because her main point was to address the false meme that the collective bargaining issue was about the budget. Politifact should have noted that , and Rachel should have noted that her budget analysis was sloppy.The actual point of her story, the protests in WI were not about the budget, is correct, and Shep got that as well.

OK lets address what she said. I did not watch the show and have only seen “clips” on the net. So I’m flying a little blind here. But the crux of what I’m getting here is that Maddow made a .5 second disclaimer of the projected shortfall and then went on a 5 min screed about how WI was just fine and put out numbers that would lead you to believe WI is just fine financially. Her reporting was sloppy and lead a lot of people to believe something that was innaccurate. Politofact called her out on it. And now she is claiming a .5 second long clip (Breitbarted clip if you will) exonorates her entire piece about WI finances being just fine. She also is so defencive about this claim by politofact she decided to find anything to discreaded what everyone agrees is a neutral site calling out political lies. Both Right and Left use politofact. But she was sooo hurt by someone calling out her sloppyness she want to destroy them. Did she look for places politofact could me seen hurting a Righty… No, of course her writters didn’t look for that. They were wanting to paint a picture and found only what they were looking for. So…. am I way off here?
Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window)

rover37 said:
SHep is gay , Madcow is gay….. gays stand together. BTW: off topic but have you ever seen Maddows girlfriend? SHe is the biggest ugly fat cow you have ever seen… Ok back to Shep… its time for him to part ways with FOX, I htink he would fit in better at MSNBC. He doesnt get great ratigns for his good time slot..I think FOX voudl put anybody in his place and do just as good..

Go away, liberal troll.
rover37

the real john t said:
OH! It didn’t have anything to do with Sarah parading them all over the country during the campaign, or Greta going up to Alaska to do 2 segments on the Palin family or Sarahs reality show. Yeah right, it was Maddow and Olbermann that brought them to the spotlight.

Parading around the country…. every canidate has their family iwth them at time during the campaign. you make zero sense. So I guess its OK for peopel to call the Obama kids UGLY ( the youngest one might be one of the ugliest kids I have ever seen), the oldest one is a tall dork with dreadlocks….
Liberal Tormentor

No one is buying your schtick, liberal troll.
Color Me Badd

Liberal Tormentor said:
No one is buying your schtick, liberal troll.

What are you talking about that is exactly how you people are. You people.
zumpano

LOL at the head-spinning in this thread.

Those comments she’s talking about: SHE’S TALKING ABOUT YOU

SOOOOOOO FUNNY
Jelperman

Politifarce just got PWNED, as the kids say nowadays.
WHarropson

Objection noted.
CosmosDan

tatboy said:
So…. am I way off here?

Kinda. If you haven’t taken the time to watch her show or read the transcripts you might want to refrain from judgement.

IMO, both she and poltifact were partly right and partly wrong.
“And now she is claiming a .5 second long clip (Breitbarted clip if you will) exonorates her entire piece about WI finances being just fine”
It’s important to understand that her story was not specifically about the details of the budget in WI. Her point was to explain that the protests were not about the budget per say. I’ve seen lots of posters here talk about how the teachers don’t want to take a cut to help the state’s budget problem. That’s not true, and that’s the main thrust of her story.

tatboy said:
Her reporting was sloppy and lead a lot of people to believe something that was innaccurate.

This I agree with, with the understanding that the details were presented sloppily but her larger point was correct. As I said in my post. Politifact did a much better job of clarifying the details of the WI budget but that was not the thrust of Maddows story. I wish Politifact had addressed the issue of collective bargaining and whether that related to the budget.

Grammie posted a great link that goes into a more detailed analysis. I think the more important point was her Inaccuracy about the site she and Shep used for donations. I agree with their point that details and words matter. I hope that’s a standard they apply evenly.
CosmosDan

Grammie said:
For an extensive, insightful and well reasoned response/defense from one object of Maddow’s attack tonight:

Rachel Maddow Weaves a Tangled Web

http://johnnydollar.us/files/110224maddow.php#disqus_thread

Good information. Thanks A lot of it. One link led to another that led to another.

Whew! They are correct. Donations and all the different groups gets complicated. I appreciate their more detailed analysis.
One of the problems I have with the 24 hour channels is that they give a story a 10 or 15 minute and that makes them to simplify so much , well in this case , not true. Details and words do matter.,
I’d be glad to see a show spending at least a half hour analyzing the data on that site. When you generalize so much that the information is inaccurate or plain wrong, you’ve hurt your analysis.

I think it’s very possible that the attack on unions may be a political ploy to hurt the democrats base but you won’t prove it with sloppy reporting like that.
bobmoses

If you are just going to regurgitate what she said uncritically, just show the video. Your transcript provides little value.
Grammie

CosmosDan said:
Good information. Thanks A lot of it. One link led to another that led to another.

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You’re quite welcome, Dan.

Now you know who King, litttle johnny t, Bovine, Heckman etc are referring to with all their “Phox Phans”, “Koldys Klub” etc obsessions.

If you enjoyed that you might enjoy some of Johnny’s other analysis, especially his usual weekly FHWiR. For one of the best ever I assure you this won’t disappoint unless you are a brain dead zombie who only wants Fox brains, which you are not.

http://johnnydollar.us/files/101024challenge.php

Let me know what you think of it.
TeaPartyPatriot

The TRUTH, The FACTS, REALITY

…Name three things you will NEVER hear from a lamestream socialist “Corrupt B-tard” media stooge of the lunatic-left d-crat socialists.
WHarropson

This was too god to not post hers as on the dejavu repeat other correction os a reiterated correction corrector elswhere.
Heres’s what a SOCIALIST has to say. I’ll defer to a socialist maybe for the first time:

Frank Zeidler, the Socialist Party mayor of Milwaukee, Wis., from 1948 to 1960, writing on the consequences of collective bargaining by public employees, in the magazine Personnel, July- August 1969:

This sharing of powers in wage determination and conditions of employment through the negotiation process has in turn diminished public officials’ authority in other areas of policy involving organized employees.

The net effect has been to create what amounts to a two-chamber local government. One chamber is made up of elected representatives and chief executives—aldermen, councilmen, county board or commission members, mayors or other chief executives—the traditional decision-making body for local government. The other chamber comprises the organized public employees who have gained official recognition to negotiate. The public business on wages and conditions of work, and therefore indirectly on policy, cannot be carried on without mutual agreement between these two Chambers. . . .

The implications of this new method of reaching decisions in local government put an entirely different aspect on the sovereignty of councils and executives and elected officials as well. The challenge of organized public employees can mean considerable loss of control over the budget, and hence over tax rates and over government programs and projects.

The gravity of the challenge was recognized by some municipal officials at least ten years ago, but most of them took the position that to study the new phenomenon was to encourage it. As is usually the case, the ostrich stance was a mistake: When employee organizations suddenly burgeoned, municipal officials were not prepared with effective rejoinders before legislatures and in negotiations.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

the real john t said:
Why are you bringing in someones personal life into the conversation? Would you like to show us a photo of you and your family?

Hey everyone, keep this post from john t, we will remind him the next time he makes fun of the way people look.
lane

Maddow bores me and she’s overly partisan, but enough with the rude comments on her looks! It only speaks to your own insecurity and self-esteem issues, it’s no insult to her. If she wants to say some time and go with the super-short haircut, I could care less. If you care, you have bigger issues than her fashion choices.

Mediaite, can’t you guys block posters more quickly. Seems like your policy with vile posters seems a little too forgiving….

I completely disagree with Maddow on many things, but she seems like a nice person and I’m sure she doesn’t deserve the disgusting nature of many Internet posters who always joke about her look.
lane

Color Me Badd said:
So now I guess we will wait for Matt Scheinder and Mediaite to apologize to Rachel? I am sure you know now that she did mention the budget shortfall in her original piece.

I get the feeling no one at Mediaite even watched the initial clip they just assumed Politifact is always right and never lies.

Hope you apologize soon.

Hey Wisconsin, don’t worry, everything is just fine, Maddow says so. Sure, when you can’t pay your medicaid bills in June you may not bee too happy that we were wrong, but hey, your kids don’t need to see the doctor yet, do they? In a few years, those bills go much higher when medicaid expands even more, but hey, don’t worry. Everything is just fine….l

I suppose it’s easier to ignore those pesky obligations like Medicaid then to deal with real budget problems. Governors and legislatures don’t have the luxury of pretending the bills aren’t coming….
http://www.facebook.com/people/Douglas-Rodrigues/100000411215939 Douglas Rodrigues

Rachel Maddow always sound like she’s lying, even when she may be telling the truth? Her type of “reporting” sounds like an 8th grade girl making up stories.
Tedderman

Rachel is perhaps the smartest woman on television today. Politifact routinely errs and most often against liberals. The reason is they are lambasted by the right if they don’t find atleast a “barely true” on republican issues. On the other hand they take every chance they get to find fault with liberals like Rachel. They once claimed a story of hers false after she had already issued a retraction when she found an error in her staffs research.