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Rep. Ron Paul Lists Ideal Federal Powers At GOP Forum: ‘Not A Heck Of A Lot’

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Rep. Ron Paul has openly advocated for an end to paper money, but during the Palmetto Freedom Forum hosted by Sen. Jim DeMint today elaborated he wants more than just a gold standard. After listing the federal powers he would protect (to efficiently answer “what would you downsize?”), Rep. Paul suggested gold and silver “competing currencies,” as opposed to a system where “the counterfeiters are over at the Federal Reserve.”

Sen. DeMint began the conservation asking the Republican 2012 candidate which federal programs he would downsize, to which Rep. Paul laughed, “it’s a difficult question, because that’s a long list.” Instead, he answered as to the things he wouldn’t downsize: “a system of sound money, property rights, contracts, a judicial system, a government, a defense of this country… but not a heck of a lot else.” He particularly attacked the fact that, in our federal government, “100,000 federal bureaucrats [are] carrying guns… people are supposed to carry guns, not the bureaucrats!”

When the topic of abolishing the Federal Reserve came up, Rep. Paul responded that he would not do so as President unilaterally, as “the President has a limit to what he can do,” as “the Federal Reserve was created by Congress.” “You can’t wave a wand and get rid of the Federal Reserve,” he lamented, but “I’d at least see competition– competing currency,” he suggested. “Today, if you use gold and silver, you can go to jail,” he quipped,” and the counterfeiters are over at the Federal Reserve.”

Rep. Paul’s “jobs plan” was similarly large in scope, as his reply involved a long explanation of Keynesian economics and a suggestion to “let the troops come home and spend their money here,” instead of “subsidizing the welfare state of Germany and Japan as well as South Korea.”

As Rep. Paul spoke for about fifteen minutes, he answered a large range of questions besides these, including questions about abortion rights and repealing entitlements without hurting the underprivileged. The full scope of his answers via CNN below:

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  • Jaayy

    Paul is the only saying anything new. 
    He is 76, and he makes the rest of the candidate look like old
    fogies.  Paul is the only one telling it
    like is; Paul is the only one who talks to voters like they are adults. 

     

    The rest of the candidates have doubled-down on more air and land wars
    in Asia, and they honestly think that the Federal bureaucracy needs cosmetic
    changes, instead of amputation.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I haven’t used paper money in years, Ron. Debit car or nothing. Hah-hah!

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    You mean you had to copy and paste that? No substance. Terrible grammar. And you had to copy and paste? Amazing!

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    My apologies for Tollbooth cutting and running from this Teapublican event. He had to come back to Texas and deal with the wildfires. I can assure you, we’re all greatly relieved. And, no, I am not even thinking that this was just a convenient excuse, even if Tollbooth has a long and rich history of avoiding debates.

  • http://www.freemarketfan.com/ Free Market Fan

    Ron Paul is the only liberty candidate running.  He is reaching critical mass.  More here:http://www.freemarketfan.com/2011/08/ron-paul-has-pushed-ideal-of-liberty.html

  • Jaayy

    Right you are; sorry, it is the best I can do after a 12-hour work day.  It is odd that you think that almost the entire Republican field and the Democrat incumbent being in favor of more air and land wars in Asia is without substance.  Your grandchildren will be paying for those wars on their debit cards.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Paul’s problem is not so much his ideas. In fact, almost 10% of them are pretty good. His problem is his supporters. Total fruitcakes. Put an old style grocery turnstile on your fence to slow up the advance of Kommanists. Make Mucilage the national glue! Apricot nectar enemas for better health! I do have to hand it to you guys, however. That night in 2008 when you chased Sean O’Hannity down the street in New Hampshire was brillo, I say: “Brillo!” Do that again, and I may vote for Paul. I’m going to skip the apricot nectar, however. 

  • Hayek_99

    Your crappy cut and paste job is apparently more important than his grandchildren!

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Their own, to be sure. They don’t know my PIN. And, they won’t. Only my cat, F.D. Roosevelt and I know that.

  • Shurleys

    He needs more charisma than that to become president; I support alot of what he says, but , he simply doesnt come accross as very dynamic

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Tyler/100001071466947 Steven Tyler

    An illiterate liberal….what a surprise

  • Glutton

    True, a 76 year old man that’s ahead of the curve on every issue. If the 2 parties weren’t controlled by globalists, this man would be the president without a doubt.

  • Anonymous

    I believe he would be a libertarian

  • Glutton

    Charisma is killing America. Last 2 presidents won because of charisma & they have taken our country into the pits.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right. Obama is a horrible, charismatic, ineffective leader.

  • Glutton

    Only problem with Ron Paul supporters is that they’ve become aware of the 2 party scam. Obama’s supporters are militant liberals, Romney’s supporters are corporate slithers, & Rick Perry’s supporters are religious nut jobs. I would rather deal with Ron Paul supporters over those guys any day. At least Ron Paul supporters aren’t a bunch of hypocrites.

  • ElJeffyAsno

    For the 1,000,000th time, you Ron Paul and Baboon clowns!

    Even a gold based currency DOES NOT PROTECT ANY ECONOMY AGAINST INFLATION.

    Demand and scarcity of a good is what drives up its price.

    If you were paying one ounce of gold for a pound of pork bellies, then there is an outbreak of swine flu, the ensuing panic would drive up the price of pork meat.

    A drought in cattle feed drives up beef prices.

    Freezing orchards in Florida? Expect the price of orange juice to go up.

    “Drool here, drool now” for oil in the Gulf of Mexico? The oil price is set by the international market.
    Gasoline prices fluctuate due to seasonal demand.

    Real Estate? It is the same. The prices are driven by the demand.

    On the other hand, employees, even if they were to be paid in gold, many times do not have the ability to demand higher wages, in gold, to keep up with inflation.

    It is unbelievable how any of the LIBERBARFIANS can’t understand this simple concept.

  • Anonymous

    Watching Bachelor Pad was more effective than watching whatever this debate was. A shoe will beat Obama. Can’t wait til the 2012 election season starts! It hasn’t even started yet and look at all of the crazy libs. Too fun!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431811538 Josh Kim

    Ron Paul is living in the wrong century.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431811538 Josh Kim

    Ron Paul is living in the wrong century.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Silver and gold would be a ridiculous currency base.  Now seeds on the other hand…

  • Anonymous

    Silver and gold would be a ridiculous currency base.  Now seeds on the other hand…

  • Anonymous

    Silver and gold would be a ridiculous currency base.  Now seeds on the other hand…

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Blightphart posting? Really! Can’t you do better than that?

  • Glutton

    Right, that’s why we kept our debt less than a trillion with the gold standard, and after lifting the gold standard we’ve had to deal with stagflation, Reaganomics, TARP, & now the stimulus which has caused our debt to reach 15 trillion. I would say that gold standard did fine in terms of maintaining the integrity of the dollar.

  • Vittorio Felaco

    Yea! It’s too bad that what he says is asinine!

  • Anonymous

    Dude – STOP TALKING TO ME. I FIND IT CREEPY.

    And yes, Breitbart’s site posted a video of Good Day LA. AHHHHHHHHHHH BREITBART. STOP POSTING THOSE CLIPS OF OTHERS. He may just get called….Mediaite.

  • Vittorio Felaco

    The problem with today’s batch of republican candidates is simply that they are all from their own limited viewpoint saying things are wrong… but their own viewpoints make them come up with totally wrong and crazy solutions that would only make things worse if not altogether destroy the country!

  • Just some Blow Hard…

    which goes to show that 99% of all “news” websites are nothing but linkdumps.

  • Just some Blow Hard…

    what about frankincense?

  • Anonymous

    When have I EVER advocated any of the things you list? You are generalizing a lot. You know how the Dem party comes of if you do the same generalizing about them?

  • Anonymous

    When the folks on the left stop posting Media Matters he might……

  • Anonymous

    Mediaite isn’t a news site. Breitbart’s TV site is a news site. Else there’s little commentary involved. His other sites go in depth and are quite good.

  • Anonymous

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • HappyDaze

    Friend, your comments betray an ignorance of the gold standard.  Until the creation of the Fed in 1913, this country experienced virtually zero inflation since the adoption of the international standard in 1880.  Furthermore, you’re confusing price fluctuations with inflation.  Inflation is related to money supply, and price fluctuations as a result are a symptom, not a primary cause.  True, there are price fluctuations due to all the things you mentioned that can occur regardless of monetary systems, but that is not the same as inflation and are often corrected by the market.  One other thing, banks are never limited to loaning just the amount of gold on hand.  There would be no reason for banks to exist plus there would be no economic growth.  They are calculating that not everyone will be cashing in notes for gold at the same time, and are competing, by being profitable, for other investors’ gold.  

  • Just some Blow Hard…

    Name them. I don’t care if they are a news site or not, 99% is linked to somewhere else. It was a trend started by Drudge (who Breitbart learned the craft from) and the perfected by Huffington Post.

  • HappyDaze

    Glutton, you’re absolutely right, when the U.S went off the Gold Standard in 1971, the debt was 400 Billion, and much of that due to wars and the Depression.  We could actually finance that debt it was so small, and 40 years later the interest alone is almost greater than early Reagan era budgets.  

  • Guest1

    When Ron Paul says, “They sort of like receiving your money.”  he must be talking about oil companies and rich fat cats who get loads of tax breaks for doing nothing. I know he isn’t implying a disdain for less fortunate folk. Is that the President you want? What a piece of crap!

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    I look forward to voting for Dr. Ron Paul in my state’s primary. I actually enrolled Republican so I could do it. Super Tuesday can’t come soon enough for me!

  • Guest2

    If he believes that there is on damned person in this country who hasn’t benefited from his fellow citizens hard work and taxes then he is sadly mistaken and a poor delusional old man.

  • Guest2

    If he believes that there is on damned person in this country who hasn’t benefited from his fellow citizens hard work and taxes then he is sadly mistaken and a poor delusional old man.

  • Anonymous

    Big Government, Big Journalism, Big Hollywood, Big Peace….

    The Left is only because Breitbart started Huffington Post with Ariana.

    Hot Air is an aggregate with stellar commentary. Even Jon Stewart checks out Hot Air. Deal with it.

  • Partizan76

    Price inflation vs currency inflation; big difference.  Libertarians are far better versed in economics than you seem think.  If you reject people’s ideas/opinions based on substance and know what you’re talking about before you respond, you will have more converts to your cause.  When you respond with ad homonym attacks on a group you throw up a red flag saying, “I do not know what I’m talking about.”

    Please try and elevate the conversation, don’t engage in the sensationalism we get from the “news.”

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Ron Paul or Obama? I pick Ron. Thank God there are others in the race!

  • Sharpo

    why are you a coward with no balls?

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    Your post would be useful if you weren’t a complete shit-for-brains. Every single one of your points has to do with supply and demand, not inflation. Have you ever actually take a macroeconomic class in your life?

    You also completely ignore the fact that Dr. Paul doesn’t want a gold standard, he wants competitive currencies. He wants MULTIPLE precious metal standards, which is what we had for numerous generations with virtually no inflation and no worry that the government could make our bank accounts worthless overnight.

  • JamesR

    What’s asinine about obeying the Constitution?

  • http://twitter.com/Teetron9000 Justin

    OMG! You don’t even understand what inflation is. Go get a job, or go to school, or SOMETHING, as long as you stop talking about subjects you don’t know the first thing about.

  • Patrick Henry

    so in response to a debate of gold standard v. fiat currency you chime in with ‘debit card or nothing’???? hahahaha, maybe those with an intellectual deficit such as yours should keep quiet.  (fyi, the gold standard would not result in you losing your debit card or your greenbacks)

  • The Dude

    If the amount of money being created in relation to the number of goods was exponentially higher would that not also cause price increases? Having a commodity backed currency simply limits the creation of new money, which limits government spending, huge deficits, perpetual wars, and also keeps prices in check.  The largest factors in the real estate bubble were artificially low interest rates and having the GSE’s guarantee mortgage debt.  Both of these factors could not happen anywhere near the extent they happened with a paper money system.

    All of the other circumstances that you bring up are true but there are steady price increases constantly with a paper standard.  The problem with constant inflation through paper money though is that the organizations that get access to new money first get hurt less by inflation.  A bank or a defense contractor can spend a billion dollars before the market sees the price increase the new money will cause.  Whereas the poor who get the money last has to deal with the price increases after the money has circulated through the economy.

  • Anonymous

    Because the others are sooo much better? I wish I had your optimism but there’s no one in this race worth voting for.

     

  • Nature Freak

    I prefer the Myrrh standard myself.

  • Nature Freak

    You are correct.
    Humans can live without silver and gold, but without plants they would perish.

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Just say no to four more years of socialist!

  • dave

    Yep.  He’s living in 1776, and maybe you should too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cjamesharper Christopher Harper

    Debit Car…huh…sounds like you should have ‘copy-&-pasted’!!!  Arrogant prick.

  • dave

    you’re referring to about 10% of his supporters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cjamesharper Christopher Harper

    You’re absolutely right!!!  People were much better educated before!!!

  • dave

    NO.  NO.  NO!  We need more SUBSTANCE in the white house.  Ideas will win the day.. Maybe not in Ron’s lifetime, unfortunately, but his ideas will move this country.  Ron Paul has already won.

  • Anonymous

    This royal emperor guy is actually kind of funny. Sure, he’s a bit of a pud, but I like the creativity of his commentary. I think the Ron Paul people need to just applaud the clown and let him ride away on his damned unicycle.

  • dave

    It will protect against PERPETUAL DEVALUATION OF THE CURRENCY.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/cjamesharper Christopher Harper

    If only 10% of Paul’s ideas seem logically sound to you…you must be functioning on 10% of your brain’s potential.  Educate yourself.

  • Glutton

    Yeah, it’s a ridiculous system. It’s only a matter of time before counterfeit money is equal to our actual money. Either that or we will have to convert to the Euro.

  • Glutton

    Ron Paul is the only candidate I could enthusiastically vote for, campaign for, & fully support. Aside from that, everyone else makes me want to vote for a 3rd party.

  • Glutton

    Likewise, Ron Paul is really America’s last chance to avoid a Soviet Union type collapse.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RGSBZMANVNQEYUIAZNUUEV3MZQ Nick

    Their plan is to crash the dollar and introduce the Amero ……go ahead youtube it……wake up people,

  • Glutton

    As compared to our current president who expresses concern for the poor while making sure the gap between rich & poor increases? I guess you prefer rhetoric as opposed to actual results. BTW, nothing in America shows greater disdain towards the poor than the war on drugs (a policy Obama fully supports & is in the process of taking it to the next level).

  • Darladoon

    90% of what ron paul says is total nonsense

  • jmsptrk

    Apparently, that was the century when Americans still made stuff and had jobs, led the world in innovation and education, while countries worldwide looked up to us. Yeah, who wants that.

  • Darladoon

    that’s not saying a whole lot

  • jmsptrk

    I would agree. it’s nothing if not entertaining. ok, it’s actually nothing but entertaining, but it is at least that.

  • Darladoon

    get rid of the capital gains tax and we’ll have jobs??

    what??!?

  • Darladoon

    i didn’t hear a jobs plan, ron

  • Darladoon

    are we really in libya, ron?  i mean, relative to other actual occupations?

  • Darladoon

    so he doesn’t support ANY tax increases, ok.  

    but on the other hand, he supports a balanced budget soooooo much that he’s willing
    to go for an amendment to the constitution??

    KOO-KOO KOO-KOO

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Crittenten/100002585856682 Jason Crittenten

    90% of the current establishment is total nonsense

  • ElJeffyAsno

    More stupidity from the old coot.

    8:10
    “There is a fallacy on our GDP”
    8:20
    “The GDP is not a good measurement of economic  growth”

    REALLY?!?

    Let’s see here, LIBERBARFIANS.  Which economy is considered the second largest in the world?
    How did that country attain such place?

    - On the basis of a growing GDP, you morons! Producing goods the rest of the world is willing to buy!

  • Darladoon

    entitlements are people taking (i.e. stealing) from other people??

    thank you billionaires for paying for those lazy, losers’ incredibly lavish social security checks!

    because those lazy losers never did anything to earn it (besides working, paying taxes, paying
    bills, buying gasoline, and just generally contributing to the economy and following the rules)

    yeah, what *would* we do without those lovable billionaires?

  • http://twitter.com/usernamenuse sailing

    Actually, cnn’s version cuts a bunch where they went to commercial.  There are complete versions floating around, though.

  • jmsptrk

    Everyone else makes me want to vomit.

  • Darladoon

    i don’t disagree

    but many of ron paul’s fantasies are so delusional as to be dangerous

  • ElJeffyAsno

    Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann said Sunday that
    she was “open” to implementing Sarah Palin’s suggestion that all
    corporate income taxes be abolished.
    “I propose to eliminate all federal corporate income tax,” Palin had said in a speech to the tea party
    in Iowa Saturday. “This is how we create millions of high-paying jobs…
    To eliminate any loss of federal revenues from this tax cut, we
    eliminate corporate welfare and all the loopholes, and we eliminate all
    the bailouts.”
    http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/bachmann-open-to-a-0-corporate-tax-rate/

  • http://www.facebook.com/thaddeus.kaczor Thaddeus S. Kaczor Jr.

    I wonder, how can him returning to Texas help fight wildfires? I thought hot air and bluster would SPREAD the fires!

  • Darladoon

    and yet will any “liberal” media organization point out how hysterical this is?

    probably not.

    but then again, they *are* ignoring ron paul.  perhaps this is why.  he’s crazy.

    but, honestly?  every other republican contender is *crazier* than paul….

  • jmsptrk

    Says the guy whose writing sounds like it was lifted from a 9th grade term paper.

  • Darladoon

    i don’t wanna rain on your parade, but ron paul is definitely not on your side

    his policies, should he be able implement them (he won’t), would endanger
    the united states.  

  • Darladoon

    gee, a republican for more tax cuts and more debt!

    who’da figured?

  • http://suburbanpatriot.wordpress.com SuburbanPatriot

    Government should be made so small that it is the size that can be drowned in a bathtub is what I believe and it is obvious that Dr. Paul agrees with me as well as the Tea Party Nation who is the majority of citizens in this country who need to fight to take our country back so even though I disagree with him on some things for example I find his views on foreign wars cowardly but on this he is 1000% correct.  Thank you.

  • ARLibertyLover

    He said the exact opposite in the video.  He explicitly pointed out that corporate welfare and the tax code are huge problems.  He wants to end handouts to EVERYONE, including (and starting with) the rich.  He has said that you can’t just cut the poorest people off from their welfare.

    Ending the wars, adopting a Swiss/Sweden style non-interventionist foreign policy, balancing the budget, and touching the third rails of politics with real entitlement reform would be his top priorities.  His long-term goal is to make welfare be a function of state governments and private citizens and not the federal government.  His administration would not throw anyone out onto the street, except for Wall Street.

  • http://profiles.google.com/fatlibertarianinokc Fat Libertarian

    Ron Paul predicted the housing bubble, Obama encouraged it.

    Ron Paul predicted the collapse of the soviets.

    Ron Paul predicted the tremendous rise in gold in relation to dollars.

    Ron Paul’s stock portfolio has had over 600% returns thus far.

    Ron Paul warned about terrorist attacks as a result of our foreign policy in 1998.

    Ron Paul also voted against the war in Iraq.

    Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act.

    AS FOR WHAT HE WAS SAYING - 

    Our GDP goes up if we build and then blowup a bomb overseas.

    Our GDP goes up if a house is destroyed by a hurricane and the gov’t rebuilds it.

    In both situations we don’t actually gain anything, yet the GDP might go up.

    This is one of the reasons why economic Keynesian-ism does not work.

    It’s also why your President’s economic policies cannot and will not work.

    This is why so many BLACKS are out of work.  His ENTIRE CONCEPT IS FLAWED.

    Oh, but keep claiming Ron Paul is stupid.

  • http://profiles.google.com/fatlibertarianinokc Fat Libertarian

    You mean he’d endanger your welfare check.

    Which you have no right to, did not earn and was stolen.

  • Anonymous

    Typical stupidty. 

    TeaBagger Cult Nation the majority of this country???

    HHHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHHHHAAHHA!!!!!!

  • Darladoon

    i don’t receive welfare, and i am employed and also have a small business

    and for those who do receive some form of assistance, well around 40% of them
    are tea party supporters and/or ron paul supporters

    and all of them would benefit from the raising of taxes on millionaires

  • Darladoon

    it’s Keynesian Economis, not “economic Keynesian-ism”

    and ron paul didn’t “predict the housing bubble”

    *everyone* who wasn’t benefitting from said housing bubble was 
    predicting the housing bubble

  • Darladoon

    i am very glad the republicans are at least having these kinds of discussions

    they are very helpful

    and i think the democrats should have them, too

  • Glutton

    Wake up Darla! The policies we’re presently enacting aren’t just endangering the United States; they’re completely destroying the United States!

  • Glutton

    Nick, I could see the Amero being a short term goal. Long term goal is probably the NWOro & then world wide slavery. Basically, say goodbye to soveriegnity.

  • Anonymous

    Breitbart / News….LOL

  • Glutton

    Wouldn’t surprised if Perry started those fires to avoid the debate.

  • Anonymous

    Paul wants to go back to using gold as currency, no wonder all the right wing whacos push the convert to gold bullshit.

  • Glutton

    True Darla, Ron Paul’s policies are so “dangerous”. Like ending foreign conflicts that boggle down our resources & make the world hate us. How will we manage without that? Or how about cutting down on bureaucratic institutions that waste tax payer money, do nothing for us in return, & give cronies cushy jobs. It would be a shame if we got rid of those too. How about paying down that debt which diminishes America’s status as a sovereign nation. I don’t know about the rest of you but I think building up the debt is a good thing. Ooh Ooh, and what will we do without corporate welfare. I enjoy bailing out billion dollar companies so that they could take that money & invest it overseas. And don’t forget accountability for the Federal Reserve. I don’t see why an institution that controls our money supply shouldn’t operate in complete secrecy. You convinced me, Ron Paul is a nut.

  • Glutton

    Darla, we didn’t just occupy Iraq & Afghanistan over night. There’s a thing known as a prelude to war. Give it time, we’ll be occupying Libya soon enough.

  • Glutton

    Darla, we increase taxes and it gives a green light to spend. How about we decide to cut the budget & stick to that budget before we raise peoples taxes. People don’t want to pay more in taxes so that we bail out banks that don’t give out loans, bail out car companies that invest overseas, and don’t forget that brilliant cash for clunkers idea.

  • http://profiles.google.com/fatlibertarianinokc Fat Libertarian

    Ron Paul Predicts Housing Bubble; 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnuoHx9BINc
    And It’s ECONOMICS not economis.  

    :)

  • http://profiles.google.com/fatlibertarianinokc Fat Libertarian

    Actually Darladoon, take a look at this clip;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eczsT1B38qs#t=1805

    You may not be as far away from Ron Paul as you think.

  • Glutton

    Say goodbye to social security Darla. That system is projected to go broke by 2025.

  • Glutton

    Got anymore uninformed opinions about Ron Paul to spew, Darla? Maybe you could also claim he just got on the bandwagon for pointing out our increasing debt & opposing wars only after Obama became president (even though he left the Republicans for Reaganomics & voted against Bush’s invasion of Iraq).

  • Glutton

    Darla, just because he doesn’t want to spend trillions of dollars to create a few thousand jobs, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a job plan.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    It’s broke now.

    The entire Social Security surplus of around 2.4 trillion dollars was “invested’ into Treasury Bills.  I.E. it was used to buy Treasury Bills, then the government got the 2.4 trillion dollars and spent it all, now all the government has to do is get that 2.4 trillion dollars back from tax payers, and then the government can use that 2.4 trillion dollars coming back from bonds to pay for Social Security.

    I.E. the surplus is long gone.  Wish people would pay a little attention to what their government does rather than just blindly defend it whenit’stheir meat puppet in power.  This went on for 40 years, during all the time boomers were running the nation and working in it.  I’m not crying for them because they didn’t do a bit of work inexercising civics for their entire lives, except when they wanted to smoke pot as kids.

  • Glutton

    Darla, not just every Republican but so is the current president.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    >>The GDP is not a good measurement of economic
    >>  growth
    >
    > REALLY?!?

    Really.

    The GDP is the amount of money that is exchanged between all the people in a country in a year.

    If I give you $100 to mow my lawn, and then you give me $100 to clean your pool, we just increased the GDP by $200.

    But NOOOO you say, it’s TAXED.  Well, if you review annual federal income tax receipts, they apparently aren’t.

    Remember who told you the GDP measured economic growth,the same media that said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,and that Hussein was working with binLaden.  Also, the same media that mocked the VERY IDEA we could be in a housing bubble back in 2005.

    But believe whatever you like, you will anyhow.  Pretty hard to admit that you’ve been victim to propaganda for your entire life and that it permeates the media, not just Fox news.

  • Glutton

    Oh, and I forgot to mention his opposition to the war on drugs. I fully support a racist policy that targets inner city minorities (particularly African-Americans) for possessing a plant so that they could account for 55% of our prison populations and when they get out they can’t get jobs or go to college because it’s on their criminal record. If this was implemented fairly, Clinton, Bush, & Obama would have never been presidents or even had the opportunity to attend elite universities.

  • Glutton

    True, it is broke, but after 2025, no one is going to be getting ss checks anymore.

  • Glutton

    Too bad that the vast majority of our GDP is created by debt & government contracts. “Communist” China is less dependent on the government to create jobs than we are.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    It’s going to be sooner than 2025.

    Here, if you want, you can look at some data I cooked up and put into charts. I was a subscriber to Harry Schultz, if you know him, but anyhow, he was saying some pretty alarming stuff so I started grabbing online government data to see if it was just hyperbole:

    http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/

    I don’t think it was after drawing that up.

    BTW, if somehow we don’t go bust in the next 1-5 years, the national debt will hit 52 trillion dollars, if that 9.4% estimate on debt growth holds until 2025. It has held up for about 40 years. I don’t see any reason he won’t hold up for 14 more, unless the government goes bankrupt…

    And don’t blame Liberals for this exclusively either, everybody has been asleep at the wheel for 40 years. We could have had wars and defense spending OR social programs, but not both. Nobody wanted to listen so the day of reckoning is here.

  • Glutton

    Darla, Wow, thanks for the link Fuzzy. Kind of sad that those who believe SS is worth saving really have no clue how the system is imploding so drastically. Don’t get me wrong, I support this program in theory, but the fact is that it has turned into the world’s biggest pyramid scheme, next to our monetary system that is.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    > and ron paul didn’t “predict the housing bubble”

    HAHAHA.

    After the crash, everybody is like “yeah, I knew it!”

    Just like everybody just “knew” there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

    Funny how so few people don’t bother to mention how right they were, until after the event they “predicted” happened.

    Who else in congress was trying to get people to understand loose monetary policy was causing a bubble?  Barney Frank?  Hillary Clinton?  John McCain?  Who?  Who even made the slightest attempt to stop it, other than Paul?

    I hope you guys enjoy the grave you’re digging for yourselves.

  • Glutton

    Good points, and don’t forget how GDP went up drastically in New Orleans after Katrina because they had to rebuild a destroyed city. Also, 9/11 technically will help the GDP if we ever rebuild the WTC.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    > so he doesn’t support ANY tax increases, ok.  
    >
    > but on the other hand, he supports a balanced
    > budget soooooo much that he’s willing
    > to go for an amendment to the constitution??

    ERGO, he supports reducing government.

    > KOO-KOO KOO-KOO

    I like how you can’t figure out that keeping taxes the same, and balancing the budget doesn’t make ANY SENSE to you, because you can’t possibly even CONCEIVE that we could reduce the size of government.

    That idea, well, that’s just crazy.

    Golly, how did we end up with a 14.6 trillion dollars debt?

    I paid 50% of my paycheck to the government last year.  What do you want to do, tax me another 50%?

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    I find it funny that nobody seems to have the freaking balls to say:

    We shouldn’t be in Iraq
    We shouldn’t be in Afghanistan
    We shouldn’t be in Libya.

    You know if McCain were president we’d be in Libya, and Liberals would be screaming bloody murder about it.  But get Obama to do it, well, then it just fine with the liberals, but the Republicans are screaming bloody murder about it.

    Hypocritical freaking idiots.  They think this is a football game, and they just want to cheer for their team no matter what.

  • Glutton

    Forgot to add that if we go by GDP, California is the most prosperous state in the union. What’s their unemployment rate again? 14%? Wow, I guess it really is all about GDP.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    “i don’t receive welfare, and i am employed and also have a small business”

    I bet you’re employed by the government, and I know for certain you haven’t actually registered your “business” with the government yet.

    I run a small business.  It didn’t take long to make me realize just what sort of mafia the government really is once I started that up.  Go ahead, and get legal, and find out just what sort of people you’re supporting.

  • Glutton

    In 2008, all the candidates were still defending the decision to go into war (including Obama) & all denied that the debt was an issue (even the Republicans). One guy went against those norms. I won’t tell you who he was but the media said he was a nut.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    No problem.

    Hey, I would support Social Security too, but the problem is that our government is mafia. I’m fine with social programs, but our government is a mafia.

    It’s like giving money to one of those corrupt charities, they take $100 for you, then piss away $99 dollars (on administrative costs) then delivers a bucket of slop for some starving kid to eat in Africa. That’s our government.

    Nobody actually looks at their books today, it’s just a free for all ripoff. You can’t convince liberals of this, and Neocons don’t want to hear it either. Ever seen a the Federal budget? I’d be happy just seeing which counties the money is spent in, in a heat map, but that data not available… Sure.

    Been a nice country, but I seriously think that it falls apart before Obama leaves office. That’s not to say Obama caused it, that’s to say, he can’t stop it. This has been going on for years, but it really started to accelerate under that idiot George W. Bush.

  • Glutton

    My friend is an Obama supporter & she was telling me how she liked how Obama didn’t actually invade Libya but just assisted the rebels to take over the country. I reminded her that’s exactly what we did in Afghanistan & look how well that turned out in the long term.

  • Glutton

    Then 90% of the U.S. Constitution is total nonsense.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    When somebody defends Obama, I tell them.

    * That Patriot Act is still law
    * The Iraq War is still going on (44 dead this year so far)
    * Afghanistan War is still going on
    * Warrantless Wiretapping hasn’t stopped
    * Bailouts never stopped.

    So, what exactly has changed? What? You’re required by law to give an insurance company money by 2012 and you can be out about being gay in a military that will happily accept prisoners to get cannon fodder?

    Obama is President Uncle Tom ReBush. I don’t see why the Republicans hate him, but the real mystery is, why to Democrats defend him? After bad policy of Bush was carried forward by Obama. Every one.

    Hope and change my butt.

  • Glutton

    I think of Bush & Obama as our versions of Gorbachev & Yeltsin. The final stages of what used to be a great empire. Sad how we were laughing at the Soviets 20 years ago & now we’re going down the same way they are.

  • Glutton

    BTW I don’t blame conservatives or liberals. I blame globalists. They’re the ones that sold out America.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    The USSR broke up after it’s final stages, this will be a consolidation of power, not decentralization.

    The breakup of the USSR caught the world a bit off guard. Today, everybody in power knows the US is on it’s final legs. This is why the media keeps hinting and suggesting that gold is in a bubble, why the media defended the bailouts, why the government doesn’t bother to prosecute anybody in the financial sector, why the media just blatantly lies to us.

    Everybody is running for the exits. Those in the know have a ton of gold to take with them, no point in prosecuting anybody either. Everybody is a freaking criminal now. The rats are leaving the ship. Why do you think we had these two moron presidents? Some idiot kid that ran every business he ever had into the ground from 2000 to 2008 and some black guy who was a Junior Senator and a community organizer? Who wants this job of being the maybe last president of the United States?

    There is now a free for all smash and grab and the media is distracting us with “who the top tier candidates are? Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum?” – just ignore the guy that has been warning about this for 30 freaking years. He’s CRAZY.

    Americans deserve this. If they can be convinced the ONE HONEST MAN LEFT in the Federal government is “crazy”, well, they don’t deserve to have any decent government.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    I blame American voters.

    This is what you get for being dumber than a box of rocks.

  • Anonymous

    I think your rock needs you.

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Please read from the Patriots website. I think you will have a change of heart.

  • Ken Danagger

    Seeds are not a reliable store of wealth, nor are they divisible. If seeds are planted, their value is expended. They can not be stored for more than a few years in most environments or they become worthless – kind of like paper money.
    Try again – for any commodity to be a reliable store of value, it must be durable, comparatively rare, and it must not be subject to decay. Gold and other precious metals were discovered to fit these criteria centuries ago. Gold coins buried for the length of a human lifetime – or even much longer – retain their purchasing power.
    Gemstones don’t work because they are not divisible. If you split one the sum of their parts becomes much less valuable than the original.

    There is plenty of gold/silver in existence to serve as money. Once you abandon the idea of dollars, it becomes easier to understand. Value should be measured in ounces or grams, not in units of fiat.

  • Valkyrie101

    You are as bad a Paul in that you are happy to say that the government needs to be drastically reduced in size, but you have a hard time being specific about what you would cut.

  • Valkyrie101

    Tea Party Nation a majority of citizens? Come on dude, its early but please wake up.

  • Valkyrie101

    All they have to do is to remove the payroll tax cap and social security would take care of itself indefinitely.

  • Just some Blow Hard…

    This has NOTHING TO DO WITH IDEOLOGY.  It has to do with the lack of creativity that fills this series of tubes.  Say what you want about newspaper and “traditional” media, but they had boots on the ground and not some guy writing a few paragraphs and linking to an article else where.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I don’t post from Media Matters. Nor, Kos, Wikipedia, TPM ….

  • Norbit

    Let’s hear your tune come November of next year!

    be sure to check back in.
    lol

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Read his site Val

  • Anonymous

    Well if you watched the debate he said, that people like to say the people who get entitlements are people on food stamps when in actuality it is the corporations who get the most handouts.

  • jmsptrk

    Hmmm… great example. How do I argue with that astute logic?

    And no duh—he’s on nobody’s side. And that’s the whole point. And not to mention a MAJOR problem with Washington. They’re not supposed to take “sides,” they’re supposed to set create an environment that is equal for everyone. Is that what you think exists, or Obama has tried to create? Please. When every is looking out for anyone and everyone they deem needy, the problem is, government doesn’t create bupkis, so once it decides who gets what, it can only take from one group in order to give to another. So stop leaning on other people and the government so much and be your own person and maybe you’d realize this.

    Besides, if you think Obama is, or Hillary would have been, (or any of these other Republican candidates will be), “on your side,” then you’re hopelessly delusional or hopelessly partisan. I’m not sure which is worse. Obama is transferring wealth over to the wealthy faster than you can blink, just like Bush before him.
    So, if being in control of myself and my life, and not handing over huge chunks of taxpayer cash to the wealthy under the BS claim of “for the greater good” is a result of Ron Paul “not being on my side”, then yes, please. And the sooner the better.

    I’d prefer to be free, over a false sense of safety offered by every other candidate, who then proceed to bury us even further in an avalanche of debt and malaise, thank you very much. 

  • jmsptrk

    Hmmm… great example. How do I argue with that astute logic?And no duh—he’s on nobody’s side. And that’s the whole point. And not to mention a MAJOR problem with Washington. They’re not supposed to take “sides,” they’re supposed to set create an environment that is equal for everyone. Is that what you think exists, or Obama has tried to create? Please. When every is looking out for anyone and everyone they deem needy, the problem is, government doesn’t create bupkis, so once it decides who gets what, it can only take from one group in order to give to another. So stop leaning on other people and the government so much and be your own person and maybe you’d realize this.Besides, if you think Obama is, or Hillary would have been, (or any of these other Republican candidates will be), “on your side,” then you’re hopelessly delusional or hopelessly partisan. I’m not sure which is worse. Obama is transferring wealth over to the wealthy faster than you can blink, just like Bush before him.So, if being in control of myself and my life, and not handing over huge chunks of taxpayer cash to the wealthy under the BS claim of “for the greater good” is a result of Ron Paul “not being on my side”, then yes, please. And the sooner the better.I’d prefer to be free, over a false sense of safety offered by every other candidate, who then proceed to bury us even further in an avalanche of debt and malaise, thank you very much.

  • Anonymous

    You know, the funniest thing about this constant criticism of Ron Paul that he wants to use gold and other competing currencies, is that, as Chairman of Domestic Monetary Policy, he is actually responsible for developing new and competing currencies. He only has six rules to follow as the chairman. Developing new currencies is rule number six. 

    Criticizing him for doing his job is just plain crass.Ron Paul 2012

  • Jibbjabb

    ‘Your grandchildren will be paying for those wars on their debit card’…’NO’ they wont!  Since the start of this economic ‘melt-down’…under former POTUS Bush, remaining consistent with the current POTUS Obama and continuing with the next POTUS…..’out children will not even have funding for a Debit Card, they’ll be broke and umeployed’ so how could they pay with a debit card that banks will not issue??????

  • Darladoon

    if paul wins, you’re on your own.  completely. on. your. own. 

  • Darladoon

    that’s the 10% of his ideas i spoke of

    the other 90%?  

    not so smart.

  • Darladoon

    again, where’s the jobs plan?

  • Darladoon

    you don’t think progressives already know this?

  • Darladoon

    glad to see you’re sticking up for those poor, poor millionaires

  • Darladoon

    i don’t start with the assumption that the government is “too big”

  • jmsptrk

    you make such compelling arguments, based on such logical conclusions, taken from so many real world examples, its too hard, nay, nearly impossible to wage a counter argument. 

    / sarc off.

  • Brandon L

    Ron Paul, on the other hand, wrote a lengthy warning before the House Financial Services Committee on 10 September 2003 of Fannie and Freddie’s destructive consequences would have for the U.S. economyThe special privileges granted to Fannie and Freddie have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions. As a result, capital is diverted from its most productive use into housing. This reduces the efficacy of the entire market and thus reduces the standard of living of all Americans.Despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government’s interference in the housing market, the government’s policy of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing. Like all artificially created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever. When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater then they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over investment in housing.Despite warnings such as Ron Paul’s, the leadership in both parties such as Barney Frank Goerge Bush under liberals, Social Conservatives for afforadable housing, or Home Ownership for all protected Fannie Mae from oversight. At least ron Paul supporters were bashing this then, and nao, we bashed bush, for wars, for his deficits, for his prescription drug program, we were there shoulder with anyone liberal or otherwise that seek an end of the wars, and we still are today. Ron PAul did predict the bubble in adavance as early as 2003 in a goverment report, to say otherwise is ignorant of the goverment you support who kept records for to check, @Darladoon.

  • jmsptrk

    do you ever offer up any evidence, proof, studies or examples that show this to be the case? or are you not capable of offering up anything other than anecdotal BS you pull from where the sun don’t shine?

    enquiring minds want to know.

  • Brandon L

    Ron Paul, on the other hand, wrote a lengthy warning before the House Financial Services Committee on 10 September 2003 of Fannie and Freddie’s destructive consequences would have for the U.S. economy
    .
    The special privileges granted to Fannie and Freddie have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions.

    As a result, capital is diverted from its most productive use into housing. This reduces the efficacy of the entire market and thus reduces the standard of living of all Americans.Despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government’s interference in the housing market, the government’s policy of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing.
    .
    Like all artificially created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever.
    .
     When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater then they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over investment in housing.
    .
    Despite warnings such as Ron Paul’s, the leadership in both parties such as Barney Frank Goerge Bush under liberals, Social Conservatives for afforadable housing, or Home Ownership for all protected Fannie Mae from oversight. At least ron Paul supporters were bashing this then, and nao, we bashed bush, for wars, for his deficits, for his prescription drug program, we were there shoulder with anyone liberal or otherwise that seek an end of the wars @Darladoon Really that was goverment report in congressional commite, not even a private source, Darla. You are flat out wrong. Paul has govermental records from 2003; let alone his private writings that date back to we’ll before the confirmed date of 2003 .

  • Brandon L

    Ron Paul, on the other hand, wrote a lengthy warning before the House Financial Services Committee on 10 September 2003 of Fannie and Freddie’s destructive consequences would have for the U.S. economy
    .
    The special privileges granted to Fannie and Freddie have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions.

    As a result, capital is diverted from its most productive use into housing. This reduces the efficacy of the entire market and thus reduces the standard of living of all Americans.Despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government’s interference in the housing market, the government’s policy of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing.
    .
    Like all artificially created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever.
    .
     When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater then they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over investment in housing.
    .
    Despite warnings such as Ron Paul’s, the leadership in both parties such as Barney Frank Goerge Bush under liberals, Social Conservatives for afforadable housing, or Home Ownership for all protected Fannie Mae from oversight. At least ron Paul supporters were bashing this then, and nao, we bashed bush, for wars, for his deficits, for his prescription drug program, we were there shoulder with anyone liberal or otherwise that seek an end of the wars @Darladoon Really that was goverment report in congressional commite, not even a private source, Darla. You are flat out wrong. Paul has govermental records from 2003; let alone his private writings that date back to we’ll before the confirmed date of 2003 .

  • Bl_78

    “it’s Keynesian Economis, not “economic Keynesian-ism” and ron paul didn’t “predict the housing bubble”*everyone* who wasn’t benefitting from said housing bubble was predicting the housing bubble” stated Darladoon in reply to Fat Libertarian

    Goverment records them-self from 2003 proove he did predict the bubble; if you are the type who igores data collected by private sources, then records from the goverment should reassure those in doubt.

    Ron Paul, on the other hand, wrote a lengthy warning before the House Financial Services Committee on 10 September 2003 of Fannie and Freddie’s destructive consequences would have for the U.S. economy.The special privileges granted to Fannie and Freddie have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions. …As a result, capital is diverted from its most productive use into housing. This reduces the efficacy of the entire market and thus reduces the standard of living of all Americans.Despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government’s interference in the housing market, the government’s policy of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing. .Like all artificially created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever.. When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater then they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over investment in housing

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    Who is ASSUMING it?

    For every $10 the government spends, it borrows $4. It’s borrowing at a faster rate today, than it did at the peak of WWII. We were fighting in Europe and in Japan at the same time, and those weren’t little skirmishes like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya are.

    What do you want to do? Borrow $5 for every $10 we spend? $6? How much?

    Only the private sector contributes to the tax base. Don’t you realize that?? Giving a teacher $50,000 a year, then taking $20,000 year back in taxes doesn’t add $20,000 to the government’s income, it just means only $30,000 was spent on the teacher by the government.

    That $30,000 came from the private sector plus borrowing. The private sector today had to spend $18,000 on that teacher, and we the government borrowed $12,000 ON TOP OF THAT to pay for the teacher. The teacher didn’t contribute ANY MONEY to the tax base.

    How can you not realize this? There isn’t enough private sector jobs to support the amount of money spent in the public sector now.

    Going to raise taxes more? For what? So the government can hand over another 10 trillion dollars to a bunch of criminal in our financial sector? So it can start yet another war? You have no control over this corrupt government. It’s going to bankrupt the nation – already has.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    No, I don’t think they know, because they are going to vote for Obama, AGAIN.

    Meanwhile, you have an actual person that voted against the Patriot Act, has spoken against Guantanamo since it was discovered, has voted against the Resolution to Use Force in Iraq, has voted against TARP and the other two bailouts, and has been a fierce opponent to warrantless wiretapping.

    You’re not going to vote for him, are you “progressive”?

    You’ll vote for Obama. Why is that, if you “know” Obama is just President Uncle Tom ReBush? You tell me.

    What, can’t bring yourself to vote for somebody that isn’t LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH? That just too upsetting for you to do? Not used to a politician that doesn’t lie constantly and blow smoke up your rectum? Goes against your morals to vote for somebody that actually HAS the policies you CLAIM you support, “progressive”?

  • Dr. Rusin

    Ron Paul is the only candidate trying to actually bring our troops home and end the global banker take-over of our country. Just like everything else he says… 5 years from now we’ll all be saying “Ron Paul was right, AGAIN!”

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, but what you are describing is NOT inflation.  You are describing the law of supply and demand.Monetary inflation comes when the currency will not buy as many goods and services in a general across the board manner.  This happens when the government prints money.  It always happens when the government prints money.  It has never NOT happened when the government prints money.The dollar now buys about 2% of what it would purchase in 1913 when we created the Federal Reserve and started printing money that was NOT tied to gold.On the other hand, it has never happened with gold.So, stop the insults.

  • pizzaable

     
    ElJeffyAsno- “Demand and scarcity of a good is what drives up its price.”

    So basically what your saying is that the supply and demand of a good is what drives up(or down) the price of that good(which is true)…But you ignore the supply of the other half of the economic transaction(money). Your logic fails because the law of supply & demand doesn’t disappear when applied to money and then reappear when applied to goods.

    The fact is supply  & demand of goods and money drives prices….the catch is that a small group of people can’t print most goods..just be fair and open minded and you will see that the supply of money has a lot to do with prices.

  • Anonymous

    Paul is the only scholar of the nation’s history and proponent of the US Constitution that is running for President! The only reason his ideas sound “crazy” is because the nations general population has been “dumbed” down through the desensitizing propaganda of our media, that suggests that the Patriot Act was a called for encroachment of our civil liberties due to 9/11, and that global militarism and spending is the American way… IT IS NOT! These things have been forcibly applied to us as Americans to prop up the international bankers and corporations. These wars, since Vietnam, have doled out contract after contract to big wig donors and the key players/navigators of the emerging international monetary system. There is nothing “crazy” about this. It needs to recognized as the fleecing of the global middle class. We have been enslaved into a system built on debt, and now there are not enough jobs to keep everyone paying theirs off! Unless redirected drastically and promptly, America will spread itself too thin and will eventually unravel. I PICK NOW, as the time WE THE PEOPLE take over control of the ship. I refuse to leave this debacle unaddressed and poised to disintegrate the lives of our children. RON PAUL 2012! Cause no one else will even try!

  • Bfenerty

    If you do not comprehend what Ron Paul is saying. Educate yourself! For Americas sake, read! Read some history!!! You think this is the first time politicians and businessen have coluded to steal money from the public? This man is a brilliant genius who has been trying to warn us about the evils of Washington for 30 years. Read The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve. Ron Paul 2012!!!! Do it for our children!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lnardozi Louis Nardozi

    Hearing Paul explain how we got into this mess is always enlightening,
    and not something for a thinking person to miss. I think it is also
    quite instructive to hear the also rans, by which I mean the Non-Paul
    candidates. I call them also rans because there is frankly no need to
    hear their ideas, since they are all the same idea. Let’s blame the big
    bad Democrats, Republicans would have brought heaven to earth.

    Paul acknowledges the Republican Party has NOT done as it should have,
    and has not done as the Republican Platform specifies. Ron Paul’s
    contention is, if Republicans were really Republicans, a whole lot of
    the people who call themselves liberals would actually find out they
    prefer a Republican President.

    Let’s just start with bringing the troops home. If you believe in
    keeping America safe, you should want the troops home. If, on the other
    hand, you are a bully and like the thought of us over there terrorizing
    countries that could no more defend against us than against the
    Almighty, then please at least just admit that that’s what you are, and
    move on.

    Next, let’s do the next thing Paul always advocates – get rid of the
    FEDERAL layer of bureaucracy. See, people are always so busy asking Dr.
    Paul what he BELIEVES, no one ever asks what he’d actually DO, given the
    limitations of the presidency. When Dr. Paul advocates doing away with
    the War On Drugs, he BELIEVES there should be no laws regarding drugs
    use. What the Presidency can actually DO, is just get rid of the FEDERAL
    layer of bureaucracy. Drugs are still illegal (and still enforced) on
    the STATE level, it’s just that you’re not PAYING A WHOLE OTHER POLICE
    FORCE to track them down. One is enough.

    Same thing applies to DOE, it doesn’t mean no education, just means no
    FEDERAL duplication of what already exists at the state level.

    Same thing with Homeland Security – hey we already GOT police.

    Same thing with a hundred other federal agencies whose work is
    duplicated at the state level. You’re not getting one thing less, you’re
    just paying only ONE bureaucracy instead of two.

    That’s not so bad is it? Nothing is changed, all the same laws are still
    being enforced. Only thing is, there’s only one group of police instead
    of two. Only one investigation, instead of two. Only one battering ram,
    instead of two. Only one tank, instead of two.

    Isn’t that enough, especially when you consider your brother, who gives
    his life for you, will be back home – safe until he’s really NEEDED?

  • supermariofj

    HAHAHA LMBO!!! That’s a good comeback. What’s wrong with some people nowadays, can’t understand common sense? I’m sorry, I just had to give u props on that. Ron Paul 2012. God Bless.

  • supermariofj

    Your right. But under the current system, not only do we get those common uncertainties, you also get inflation due to too much printing, the greedy central bankers waking up one day and feeling really greedy  and start to drive the economy downhill just to get more bailout money. That’s what’s wrong with our current federal reserve system. At least with a gold & silver standard, those circumstance WON’T happen. This ain’t a perfect world, but why make things more uncertain on purpose. Paper money has its extra baggage of fear and worry.

  • Foo

    In the rest of the world, it’s called “liberal”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marvin-Cooley/100002526616172 Marvin Cooley

     The mentality that says “I can’t take care of myself and I need the government to help me” is what the majority of people think. It is fear and lack of confidence in their own ability and more importantly their lack of faith that God will help them with their problems and cares. I think we should have more charity for people who need help to over come these types of fears. The very highest and best kind of charity is what Moses Maimonides said in the tenth century and that is to help people help themselves. With government regulations chocking business they can’t even think about hiring anyone. People bash the French, and I am the head basher, however they have an ongoing national program of training people for new jobs and skills. Things are changing fast and new skills are needed. States could invest in this type of charity to aid people young or old. No fear! Obummer has it all worked out and it is only going to cost 400 billion.  Good article.  Ron Paul can and will be the next President.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marvin-Cooley/100002526616172 Marvin Cooley

     The mentality that says “I can’t take care of myself and I need the government to help me” is what the majority of people think. It is fear and lack of confidence in their own ability and more importantly their lack of faith that God will help them with their problems and cares. I think we should have more charity for people who need help to over come these types of fears. The very highest and best kind of charity is what Moses Maimonides said in the tenth century and that is to help people help themselves. With government regulations chocking business they can’t even think about hiring anyone. People bash the French, and I am the head basher, however they have an ongoing national program of training people for new jobs and skills. Things are changing fast and new skills are needed. States could invest in this type of charity to aid people young or old. No fear! Obummer has it all worked out and it is only going to cost 400 billion.  Good article.  Ron Paul can and will be the next President.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marvin-Cooley/100002526616172 Marvin Cooley

     The mentality that says “I can’t take care of myself and I need the government to help me” is what the majority of people think. It is fear and lack of confidence in their own ability and more importantly their lack of faith that God will help them with their problems and cares. I think we should have more charity for people who need help to over come these types of fears. The very highest and best kind of charity is what Moses Maimonides said in the tenth century and that is to help people help themselves. With government regulations chocking business they can’t even think about hiring anyone. People bash the French, and I am the head basher, however they have an ongoing national program of training people for new jobs and skills. Things are changing fast and new skills are needed. States could invest in this type of charity to aid people young or old. No fear! Obummer has it all worked out and it is only going to cost 400 billion.  Good article.  Ron Paul can and will be the next President.

  • Anonymous

    Only on the right.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, the apricot nectar enema may be good for you, since you are full of **it

  • http://www.webhamster.com/ The Sharkey

    I won’t vote for Obama again precisely because of the reasons you list, but just because Obama and all the other Republican candidates are lousy doesn’t mean Ron Paul is good.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HYFZJ6TEPLL5DN23GR5CVO374A Spaceghost Coast to coast

    I’m hard pressed to find a politician that hasn’t been bought, let alone has been ideologically consistent like Ron Paul – Gary Johnson is another person, who unfortunately is being ignored, that I would throw my hat in for. It’s just amazing how much mudslinging and teeth-gnashing that is going on between both Party’s, but especially, and amusingly, the Republicans that have been attacking their own, Ron Paul.

    Of course, there is the Political Duopoly that plagues our current system. Although, it is refreshing to see that more and more people are realizing the deceit that is the Two Party System. As soon as Americans start understanding that this isn’t a football game and, that both sides are owned by corporations and globalist bankers, the faster this Country can be restored to its former – if not close – glory.

    It will be a bloody fight, cause the rich (and I mean the top 1% of this world), or Oligarchy if you may, will not let go so easily their power over all of us. For one you can’t get large sums of campaign money unless you go D or R. Team Red or Team Blue. Third Party Runs are near impossible, not to say Independents haven’t had a modicum of success. If you’re lucky and smart, you can pull a decent amount from grassroots organizations, but remember you’re competing against multimillion dollar corporations. Worst yet they have the power to hurt your constituents by using financial blackmail, as what was done during the bailouts (ie. TARP), or legal blackmail as was done by this administration towards Texas (regarding the removal of the TSA).

    The truth is: The War on Terror and the War on Drugs is unsustainable. The erosion of civil liberties under both Party’s is self-evident. The stranglehold by corporations, that take money from government, and buy off politicians, can not be ignored any longer. That this Country will not, can not, afford another President or  politician that will bow down to special interests, unless those interests are of the American People.

    Good luck, my fellow country men and women. You’re going to need it this time.

  • http://108.80.56.115/theEnd/ fuzzywzhe

    Paul is good on his own.

    The fact that he voted against the Patriot Act, voted against the Resolution to Use Force, has cited constitutional arguments on why the President can’t assassinate what the government defines as a “terrorist” even if they are American (seriously, Obama thinks this is just FINE!), etc

    Is enough for me to vote for Paul.

    If you think Paul is lousy, I really don’t understand why. Because he goofy ideas on creationism? I really don’t think that’s important when my government sent John Walker Lindh to Guantanamo – you could be next. He didn’t get a trial before being carted over to the torture camp.

    Your country is gone, the constitution is already suspended. You want to restore it, or you want to lie back and watch the federal government go 100% into fascism. That’s your only 2 choices.

  • GuyFawkesess

    Well, bravo for that astute, clarifying list of things… I applaud your simple conceptual knowledge of supply and demand…WELL DONE EL JEFFY!  ”golfclap”

    Now darling, take your silly stupidity and apply it again to paper economics where it belongs… because even though you think it belongs to the gold standard, it doesn’t in the paper dollar sense.  

    You buy them books and all they do is chew on the covers…!

  • jmsptrk

    REALLY? 

    Um, yes… really.

    You clearly have no idea why he would say this, or you would understand his point.
    Do you realize that every time a tornado or hurricane or earthquake destroys a town, there is no adjustment to GDP for the damages, BUT the resulting rebuilding IS added to our GDP.

    So say a hurricane wipes a town off the map in Louisiana. So we rebuild it. And let’s pretend, for simplicity, it caused 1 billion dollars in damages. And let’s also pretend that rebuilding the town also cost 1 billion dollars. So…. regardless of the fact that we just LOST 1 billion dollars in damages, according to how we measure GDP, we just added 1 billion dollars to our GDP. And this makes sense to you?

    A town is destroyed and rebuilt, and this is nothing but a boost to GDP? Really? This is economic reality to you? Wow! And you think Ron Paul is stupid? Ha. I suggest you look in the mirror.

  • Simone Phillips

    You are misleading he doesn’t want an end to paper money he just wants it backed up by a commodity such as gold, so the bankers cant keep printing trillions and trillions of it – which has devalued your dollar and made it seem like prices are rising- inflation.
    Gold standard is a way of backing up paper money with something REAL behind it so the bankers and FED cant print more out of thin air to bail themselves out.
    Your FED is still printing money and your dollar is going to be worth less and less.

  • MikeyC

    What is asinine?  This country was its greatest from 1776-1913.  We had a few good years after the war but also wars and depression.  1913 was when we went of the gold standard and look at were we are at now.  All he wants is to go back to the Constitution and have our money controled by us not the Unconstitutional Fed.

  • Jessie Clyde

    Why “End the Fed?”: http://www.dailypaul.com/183587/why-end-the-fed

    Please forward if you like it.

  • http://twitter.com/alcerus Alcerus
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