Thanks Frances for posting. My question since this whole thing started was Holder announced that The Government shut down about 60 sites that were selling phony pocketbooks and golf clubs.

And they can’t shut this site down? Oh well Ron Paul 2012, maybe my dream will come true.

While I’m not a fan of Assange as a spokesperson and have referred to him as an attention-hungry, mediawhore, I’ve never said anything in opposition to the Wikileaks mission or the information they’ve released. And while I’m at it, though I’m sure I’ve said it in a previous comment somewhere, I’m in agreement with Rep. Paul’s stance on treason and selective prosecution.

With that said though, I would have to caution that a Wikileaks style expose on the Federal Reserve and other central banks would likely trigger a global economic meltdown. I’m all in favor of more transparency and better regulation, but if the past were put into play, I doubt it’d ever see the light because it’d threaten entire planet and though it made for a nice soundbite, I’m betting Paul just cost himself unlimited access to that kind of information.

No one in U.S Politics like Paul. Most of the righties here would fall, when compared to him. He says it as it is without fear of consequence. Compared to the one from Alaska who called wikileaks action treason, I bet not knowing he is an Aussie, or the one from Arkansas wanting his head.
They are phonies and he is the real deal.

Ron Paul said, “in a society where truth becomes treason, we are in big trouble.”

This is why Paul has no chance to become president. This statement is just STUPID.

Are you telling me that revealing battle plans would be legal because they are true?

Of course the truth can be treason.

skyfet said:
No one in U.S Politics like Paul. Most of the righties here would fall, when compared to him. He says it as it is without fear of consequence.

You are a fool.

While all should be open to our appropriate representatives for review , only a fool and a child would suggest that all govt. records and conversations should be open to the world to see; and you are both.

Truth can only be treason if you a citizen of that country.

Our whistle blower was not a citizen of the USA.

I feel knowing the truth and facts of what is actually going on in this world are extremely valuable for democracy. If we lose this we have lost democracy.

I feel he is a hero and they are trying to do anything and everything to silence him. Accusing him of a sex crime is just they way they hide the fact that what he was releasing was the FACTS!

These are really scary time we live in when we are all afraid to speak the truth.

Magister said:
I’m betting Paul just cost himself unlimited access to that kind of information.

Well Mags we will find out next week as I do think the rest of the Chairmanships get handed out, this will go a long way to see if the Republicans are the real deal or not. I do believe if Paul get’s the chair and starts digging lots people on both sides will start to get real nervous.

Sure would like to know what’s in the Fort Nox Vault………….Hey Geraldo!

Fort Knox……..my bad.

@notsofast
You call me a child at every opportunity, yet your actions speaks louder than word.

Yep, Ron Paul is just another RINO. Just like that S&L bail-outing George H. W. Bush, that run away from Beruit with your tail between your legs Reagan, that EPA creating Nixon, that federal funded highway system creating Eisenhower, that liberal Judge John Paul Stevens nominating Ford, and that unfunded Medicare Part D legislating George W. Bush. The only really rconservate we’ve had in the last 50 years is the budget balancing Clinton.

Elaine B said:
These are really scary time we live in when we are all afraid to speak the truth.

You are afraid to use your real name here. You hide behind a phony photo and you lie all the time. You should hide.

@puck30: Bachus probably cost himself the chair, but I’d be surprised if it goes to Ron Paul.

While I feel that Paul provides a valuable service and I have no problem with him in the House, I think he’s too much of a loose cannon to gain so much power over the banking system and if you interpret his comments to Napolitano as a threat to leak to Assange, he likely sealed his fate.

Politics is one thing, but money and economic stability is something else, all together.

I’m not even gonna’ lie.Hearing my fellow Libertarian Ron Paul up in arms like this over the Federal Reserve makes my ‘willy’ stand on guard! Yes i said it.
BOO-HOO!

Thelonious Funk said:
Yep, Ron Paul is just another RINO. Just like that S&L bail-outing George H. W. Bush, that run away from Beruit with your tail between your legs Reagan, that EPA creating Nixon, that federal funded highway system creating Eisenhower, that liberal Judge John Paul Stevens nominating Ford, and that unfunded Medicare Part D legislating George W. Bush. The only really rconservate we’ve had in the last 50 years is the budget balancing Clinton.

I wont comment on everything else…but the EPA was a travesty.
Not a travesty of epic proportions but a travesty nonetheless.
Man i respectfully dislike Nixon,haha.

*

Dosser said:
I wont comment on everything else…but the EPA was a travesty.
Not a travesty of epic proportions but a travesty nonetheless.
Man i respectfully dislike Nixon,haha.

*The creation of the EPA was a travesty.
In my book.

gordonbloyershow says:

Elaine B said:
These are really scary time we live in when we are all afraid to speak the truth.

You are afraid to use your real name here. You hide behind a phony photo and you lie all the time. You should hide.

Is that your real name Gordon? Does anyone use there real name here? Who is hiding behind a phony photo? YOU? EVERYONE HERE?

Quite honestly, you sound like a wacko!!!! Maybe you are hiding behind bars in a psycho ward.

At least I am speaking my mind and TRYING to keep to the subject matter with out this crazyness you seem to thrive on.

Crawl back in your hole Who every you are! And YES Rush LintBall got out of the service to having a cyst on his ass, I think it must have been you. Still can’t get over that fact????

gordonbloyershow said:
Ron Paul said, “in a society where truth becomes treason, we are in big trouble.”

This is why Paul has no chance to become president. This statement is just STUPID.

Are you telling me that revealing battle plans would be legal because they are true?

Of course the truth can be treason.

Amen to that, Ron Paul is an Isolationist KOOK no way around it.

IMO more dangerous than Obama ( Foreign policy wise )

skyfet said:
@notsofast
You call me a child at every opportunity, yet your actions speaks louder than word.

You are a fool.

murf said:
Amen to that, Ron Paul is an Isolationist KOOK no way around it. IMO more dangerous than Obama ( Foreign policy wise )

Fact: You’re in a booth and it’s Ron Paul vs. a democrat and it’s time to vote. Paul wins. Before the vote in a town hall debate forum Paul vs., democratic challenger that’s entertainment.

notsofast said:
You are a fool.

Fact: This is what he learned from his parents! Home schooled no doubt.

Elaine B said:
gordonbloyershow says:

Elaine B said:
These are really scary time we live in when we are all afraid to speak the truth.

You are afraid to use your real name here. You hide behind a phony photo and you lie all the time. You should hide.

Is that your real name Gordon? Does anyone use there real name here? Who is hiding behind a phony photo? YOU? EVERYONE HERE?

Quite honestly, you sound like a wacko!!!! Maybe you are hiding behind bars in a psycho ward.

At least I am speaking my mind and TRYING to keep to the subject matter with out this crazyness you seem to thrive on.

Crawl back in your hole Who every you are! And YES Rush LintBall got out of the service to having a cyst on his ass, I think it must have been you. Still can’t get over that fact????

Wow, very mature conversation people. Rush Limbaugh is such an easy target for you people. LEAVE GORDON ALONE!

http://americantruthmachine.wordpress.com/

@notsofast
I bet it’s a challenge being you.

Here is the truth about the Swedish charges being leved at Julain Assange:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7516830-swedish-justice-system-destined-to-be-laughing-stock-of-world-james-catlin

skyfet said:
No one in U.S Politics like Paul. Most of the righties here would fall, when compared to him. He says it as it is without fear of consequence. Compared to the one from Alaska who called wikileaks action treason, I bet not knowing he is an Aussie, or the one from Arkansas wanting his head.
They are phonies and he is the real deal.

Yeah, Palin really has no clue.. and I think the right-wingers jumped the gun calling for Assange’s assassination. In due time, people will realize Wikileaks are the good guys… then there will be a lot of GOP back-peddling. At first the Obama administration came out against the leaks, but they’ve been kind of mum about the whole ordeal. Hillary came out against wikileaks, only to be shot down by Assange and told she should step down. Days later, Hillary announced that her current position would be her last public office job. Coincidence?

We are living through history right now. Honestly, it seemed like there was no hope that transparency or accountablity would ever matter in the US again.. but this leak has changed a lot, it’s like Deepthroat was back during the Nixon presidency.

Our Prime Minister Julia Gillard is a coward.

Our Attorney General Robert Mclelland is a Joke.

The Australian Press have failed in their duty.

I’m frightened for America . . . but not because of anything that Julian Assange and WikiLeaks has PUBLISHED to it’s website – it’s because so few of my compatriots appear incapable or unwilling to search the TRUTH out for themselves, but are quick to offer an opinion.

The comments above are mostly misinformed, use hyperbole stated as fact and indicate a lack of ability to even form an original thought.

The person who “stole” the State Department cables is in a Quantico prison. His name is Private First Class Bradley Manning. He is the same individual who downloaded the video of the US helicopter killing innocent Iraqi’s and two Reuters reporters (Reuters attempted several FOI requests to acquire the video of their two employees being murdered and were turned down each time). PFC Manning also downloaded the Iraq and Afghanistan War Journals.

PFC Manning CONTACTED Julian Assange and explained to him what information he possessed. After what Manning stated as 4 months of jockeying (presumably while Assange attempted to determine whether Manning was legit and not a trap of some sort) Manning delivered the data to Assange.

NONE of the data passed by PFC Manning to Assange is classified as Top Secret. NONE.

Late last Winter (Early 2010) WikiLeaks (not just Assange) began reviewing the data. Eventually, they contacted the US Government informing them that they possessed this information were going to publish it, but were seeking assistance and/or guidance in redacting names and/or info that despite not being of a Top Secret nature, could never-the-less put lives in danger. President Obama’s State Department and D.o.D. flatly refused.

WikiLeaks then turned to major news organizations (The Guardian, Der Spiegel, the New York Times) to seek their feedback and assistance in determining legitimacy of the data and redaction. Again ALL OF THIS BEFORE THE FIRST RELEASE OF DOCUMENTS.

The 1st release was the helicopter murder video.

The 2nd release were the Iraq and Afghanistan War Journals. Reviewed by major news outlets with WikiLeaks utilizing a harm reduction plan to remove names and other sensitive info. Late this past summer . . . after a ruthless propaganda campaign aimed at instilling fright in the US public over the release of the journals, the Pentagon was forced to admit that NO ONE had harm come to them as a result of anything in the War Journals that WikiLeaks PUBLISHED (along with major news outlets).

The 3rd release is the State Department cables – what we are witnessing now. And as a further harm reduction technique, WikiLeaks is only releasing a few hundred documents each day in order to ensure each document has been reviewed fully by a set of eyes.

What WikiLeaks has done is NO different than Deep Throat or the Pentagon Papers.

The only people who are in danger from WikiLeaks publishing this information make their living in Washington. The entrenched power brokers who have little interest in being truly accountable to the American public.

Are their matters of importance that must remain Top Secret? Yes. Absolutely. But that is not the case with anything that WikiLeaks has published. Make no mistake about it. The outrage in Washington is about job preservation – not yours or mine – but our duly ‘elected representatives’.

All the information I have provided here is available for you to read on the Internet. If you want the source of anything I have stated, please feel free to reply and I’ll be happy to start posting links. But much of it you can find by using Google or going to The Guardian website.

BTW, the ugliest part of all this is that much of what has been released so far proves the US prominence and importance throughout the Globe. It’s the reaction to WikiLeaks by the reactionary Right and loquacious Left that is where the real ugliness lay.

Ron Motherfucking Paul.. thats our next president right there.

Gordon Bloyhard:

For someone apparently so intelligent, you are pretty ignorant of the facts.

None of what was contained in the Iraq and Afghanistan War Logs or the State Department Cables are classified as Top Secret. But there is enough embarrassing and revealing low classification information in there to prove that the US isn’t engaged in a War on Terror so much as it is engaged in Global Imperial pursuits.

puck30 said:
Well Mags we will find out next week as I do think the rest of the Chairmanships get handed out, this will go a long way to see if the Republicans are the real deal or not. I do believe if Paul get’s the chair and starts digging lots people on both sides will start to get real nervous.

Sure would like to know what’s in the Fort Nox Vault………….Hey Geraldo!

absolutly.. there are gonna people alot of people on both sides of the aisle who will need a new pair of shorts..

BigLeagues said:
Gordon Bloyhard: For someone apparently so intelligent, you are pretty ignorant of the facts. None of what was contained in the Iraq and Afghanistan War Logs or the State Department Cables are classified as Top Secret. But there is enough embarrassing and revealing low classification information in there to prove that the US isn’t engaged in a War on Terror so much as it is engaged in Global Imperial pursuits.

Fact: Another code pink poster that doesn’t know when to quit picking up the rope soap!

Jon Martin said:
Yeah, Palin really has no clue.. and I think the right-wingers jumped the gun calling for Assange’s assassination. In due time, people will realize Wikileaks are the good guys… then there will be a lot of GOP back-peddling. At first the Obama administration came out against the leaks, but they’ve been kind of mum about the whole ordeal. Hillary came out against wikileaks, only to be shot down by Assange and told she should step down. Days later, Hillary announced that her current position would be her last public office job. Coincidence?

We are living through history right now. Honestly, it seemed like there was no hope that transparency or accountablity would ever matter in the US again.. but this leak has changed a lot, it’s like Deepthroat was back during the Nixon presidency.

Well said.. This is a good thing, people should want to know when its gov’t lies to them, this is making it known. I think people problem is they are upset of how this is going to make this country look on the world stage, and they are probably right to have that fear because we are looking worse and worse with every leak.. For instance the 21 children killed in Yemen… how many new organizations reported on any military action in Yemen, who would even know we were running missions in Yemen had then not been leaked.

Thelonious Funk said:
The only really rconservate we’ve had in the last 50 years is the budget balancing Clinton.

Um, you know that was a Republican Congress that sent him those budgets, right?

Although it would be nice about wikileaks, we’ve got something else brewing in our own back yard that may be more dangerous than the Fed, The Aspen Institute. They’re training world leaders and are 1 worlders. Here’s an article on them http://hegrins.blogspot.com/2010/12/yesterday-i-posted-article-about-net.html

The 3rd release is the State Department cables – what we are witnessing now. And as a further harm reduction technique, WikiLeaks is only releasing a few hundred documents each day in order to ensure each document has been reviewed fully by a set of eyes.

What WikiLeaks has done is NO different than Deep Throat or the Pentagon Papers.

Well, no. That’s not even close to true. This is a data dump. Both cases you refer to involved exposing specific things. This is just laying the US Diplomatic core bare. This is exposing the State Department, but if you look at it, there isn’t much there there. This is an embarrassing exposure of confidential communications much akin to publishing someone’s diary. It’s reckless and it’s point is to satiate the egos of Bradley Manning and Julian Assange.

There’s no smoking gun in this mess thus far, but it may very likely get people killed by very bad people.

This is just laying the US Diplomatic core bare.

core = Corps. Whoopsie.

jooce81 said:
Well said.. This is a good thing, people should want to know when its gov’t lies to them, this is making it known.

Really? What lies have been exposed by this?

Lets see murder in iraq, regime change was the goal from day 1, no al queda iraq tie ect ect. It’s exposing cover ups, and i applaud that. The next round of releases should be very interesting, I’m talking about the Bank of America leaks, wonder how people are going to feel when they connect the dots on how and who ripped them off. There are alot of scared bankers right now

Elaine B said:
Is that your real name Gordon? Does anyone use there real name here? Who is hiding behind a phony photo? YOU? EVERYONE HERE?

Do you make comments to look foolish?

Why do you play that silly game. Everyone here knows I am using my REAL name? Only an idiot doesn’t. Do you know how to do a google search? Can you read?
Many people here use their real name here or have a link to their website with their real name.

Face it, you are a coward. You want to lie and try to insult people and you only have the nerve to do it behind a phony name. I stand behind what I say and you and your phony lib friends don’t.

BigLeagues said:
For someone apparently so intelligent, you are pretty ignorant of the facts.
None of what was contained in the Iraq and Afghanistan War Logs or the State Department Cables are classified as Top Secret. But there is enough embarrassing and revealing low classification information in there to prove that the US isn’t engaged in a War on Terror so much as it is engaged in Global Imperial pursuits.

Where in my post did I say anything about what you posted? I made a very simple statement. I know that confused you.

Fact: Truth can be treason. No ONE can deny that except an idiot with a liberal gene or Ron Paul.

Josh Kaib said:
Wow, very mature conversation people. Rush Limbaugh is such an easy target for you people.

Elaine B, here is another person using his REAL name. He is not a coward like you.

Why doesn’t the press mention that this clown Pvt. Manning is gay?

gordonbloyershow said:
Where in my post did I say anything about what you posted? I made a very simple statement. I know that confused you.

Fact: Truth can be treason. No ONE can deny that except an idiot with a liberal gene or Ron Paul.

Again, Gordon, it’s not treason against the US when the whistle-blower is NOT A US CITIZEN.

gordonbloyershow said:
Why doesn’t the press mention that this clown Pvt. Manning is gay?

What the hell diffence does that make? You a truely proving what a homophobe you are.

jooce81 said:
Lets see murder in iraq, regime change was the goal from day 1, no al queda iraq tie ect ect

Huh? Unless you’re retarded, you know regime change was the policy from Day 1. It was America’s policy since Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law in 1998. You may be retarded.

Murder in Iraq? You’ll have to explain that lie to me and who told it.

No al qaeda in Iraq? That would be news to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Wanna try again? What lies has Assange exposed?

the real john t said:
What the hell diffence does that make? You a truely proving what a homophobe you are.

That’s a big part of the reason he did what he did, because he was pissed that he had to be closeted.

His tagline on his personal page reads: “Take me for who I am, or face the consequences!”

pakattak said:
Again, Gordon, it’s not treason against the US when the whistle-blower is NOT A US CITIZEN.

Oh, treason is involved here, courtesy of Bradley Manning. .

pakattak said:
Again, Gordon, it’s not treason against the US when the whistle-blower is NOT A US CITIZEN

Did I say otherwise? Manning is the traitor. What part of that don’t you understand.
I have never said Assange should be tried for treason, MORON. There are many other charges to use against him.

the real john t said:
What the hell diffence does that make? You a truely proving what a homophobe you are.

It matters because it is a fact that is part of the story, MORON.

So now, pointing out someone is gay is homophobic? Since he has identified himself as gay, what is the problem? You seem to have the problem. You have that lib gene that warps your thinking.

pakattak said:
Again, Gordon, it’s not treason against the US when the whistle-blower is NOT A US CITIZEN.

The whistle blower is an American soldier. Assange is the conduit. You know you need to get a brain.

Ron Paul is one pf the members of Congress who manages to speak his mind , rather than engage in political double talk. I don’t agree with him on everything but I appreciate the way he deals with things. There are a lot of issues that he pays attention to, like the guidelines for the Fed, that we rarely hear about and should be very concerned about.

Go Ron

Ron Paul 2012! I love that he doesn’t just follow his party’s agenda and sticks up for what he feels is right.

Pablo said:
Huh? Unless you’re retarded, you know regime change was the policy from Day 1. It was America’s policy since Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law in 1998. You may be retarded.

Murder in Iraq? You’ll have to explain that lie to me and who told it.

No al qaeda in Iraq? That would be news to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Wanna try again? What lies has Assange exposed?

Right you moron, everyone knew regime change was policy from day one, but instead of saying that they used the WMD’s as their excuse to invade, meaning they fucking lied, just as i said you stupid fuck

I went into this story thinking that Napolitano and Paul had lost their minds. But after listening the story I have to agree with their position. But, only as it applies to all things non-military, and or intelligence. Anything could result in the death of someone who helped the USA should also be excluded.
The real problem with these leaks are the intent of the man doing it. He intends to harm the US. He hates the US.
Where are the leaks from less open societies, like Russia, China, or Saudi Arabia?

jooce81 said:
Right you moron, everyone knew regime change was policy from day one, but instead of saying that they used the WMD’s as their excuse to invade, meaning they fucking lied, just as i said you stupid fuck

I believe you are incorrect. WMD’s was one of the main reasons they wanted regime change. I believe they said so right up front. You’re right, they lied to start a war which is reprehensible , but wanting regime change wasn’t one of the lies, even by omission.

Matthew Townsend said:
Ron Paul 2012! I love that he doesn’t just follow his party’s agenda and sticks up for what he feels is right.

Me too. With more people like him, who are willing to look at the issues based on what they really believe is best for the country, we could begin to have an honest debate on more relevant issues.

@gordonbloyershow:

“Ron Paul said, “in a society where truth becomes treason, we are in big trouble.”
This is why Paul has no chance to become president. This statement is just STUPID.
Are you telling me that revealing battle plans would be legal because they are true?
Of course the truth can be treason.”

Gordon, the reason Ron Paul will never be president is that people like you spend your life believing that lies are virtues when used in the “right” context. Obviously Ron Paul would agree that something as obtuse as battle plans should be kept secret. HOWEVER, Dr. Paul’s threshold for what constitutes getting the United States INTO a battle in the first place would be SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the present political class uses.

Sir, Dr. Paul’s quote comes from the title of a book: “When Truth Was Treason”. The book is about a group of young men who became disillusioned with The Hitler Youth movement in Nazi Germany, and began distributing Allied leaflets describing the Allied version of the history of WWII. They eventually were interrogated, tortured, and some of them were murdered for “treason”.

Perhaps you should choose to be a bit more reflective about your own morality and your own foundational beliefs Sir. Your words have put you in the same class of people as those who tortured and murdered those wise young men. The TRUTH is often dangerous, but rarely if ever is it better for it to be hidden from those whom it is intended to protect. Human nature being what it is, secret truths become mechanisms for the acquisition of power and eventual tyranny.

jooce81 said:
Right you moron, everyone knew regime change was policy from day one, but instead of saying that they used the WMD’s as their excuse to invade, meaning they fucking lied, just as i said you stupid fuck

I see that you haven’t read the Joint Authorization for the Use of Military Force, or UN Sec Res 1441, and you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. There was a laundry list of stated reasons and your ignorance of them doesn’t negate them.

Greevous, Bravo! Your last post was very well said!!

Pablo said:
Well, no. That’s not even close to true. This is a data dump. Both cases you refer to involved exposing specific things. This is just laying the US Diplomatic core bare. This is exposing the State Department, but if you look at it, there isn’t much there there. This is an embarrassing exposure of confidential communications much akin to publishing someone’s diary. It’s reckless and it’s point is to satiate the egos of Bradley Manning and Julian Assange.

There’s no smoking gun in this mess thus far, but it may very likely get people killed by very bad people.

What isn’t true or even close of what I stated? Be specific and I’ll be happy to point you in the right direction. This is NOT a data dump. You can’t go on WikiLeaks and just grab all 250,000 cables. Only the likes of The Guardian, Der Spiegel, The NY Times and a few other News Orgs possess the full archive. As of Sunday Night (12.05.10) just 842 of the 251,287 State Department Cables have been released. So please tell me where I’m incorrect.

You simply don’t have your facts and that renders your opinion virtually meaningless.

And just like the contradictory messages being stated by those in Washington you can’t have it both ways. Either it’s damaging and gonna cause harm or there’s really not much there.

FACT: None of these cables are classified as Top Secret.

FACT: The Pentagon conceded in August that NO ONE had harm come to them as a result of information in the Iraq and Afghanistan War Diaries. And WikiLeaks with advice from major media orgs have been pursuing a far more rigorous harm reduction (redaction of sensitive material) than they did with the War Diaries (where again the Pentagon acknowledged PUBLICLY that no harm came to anyone as a result of WikiLeaks publishing those documents). Lest you forget the similar but less intense propaganda that the Administration, the Pentagon and the robot media trumpeted over the summer.

Never-the-less there has been a mountain of news and insight that has come from those first 847 releases. And well, I can’t force you to educate yourself on the facts. And that’s just how Washington would like to keep you. Ignorant.

gordonbloyershow said:
Where in my post did I say anything about what you posted? I made a very simple statement. I know that confused you.

Fact: Truth can be treason. No ONE can deny that except an idiot with a liberal gene or Ron Paul.

So let me get this straight, you believe Ron Paul is an idiot for what he stated on Freedom Watch about WikiLeaks? And if you do believe that Ron Paul is incorrect about what he stated, than I can only assume you buy into the propaganda coming out of Washington? Yes or no?

If we follow your logic than we must also believe that secrets may be treasonous also. Ohhhhh, but wait . . . it’s near impossible to bring treason or war crimes charges against anyone in the Executive Branch or the military without evidence. And even then, it’s pretty dicey. And if that evidence is being controlled by the same people who may or may not have committed foreign and domestic crimes then how is anyone ever gonna be held accountable?

But just so we all understand where you are coming from, was Daniel Ellsberg wrong for passing the Pentagon Papers over to the New York Times?

gordonbloyershow said:
The whistle blower is an American soldier. Assange is the conduit. You know you need to get a brain.

So again by your limited ability to follow logic through to a reasonable conclusion, you must believe that the Publishers of the New York Times, The Guardian and the other news orgs in possession of the full catalog of State Department Cables must also be a ‘conduit’ and thus be arrested and charged with the very same crime that Assange is to be charged with.

And what crime is that by the way? (Hint: Lieberman and Scott Brown are trying to desperately to get one through Congress now . . . because NOTHING exists that Assange can be charged with. He runs a media website that is PUBLISHING information that was passed to him ALLEGEDLY by PFC Bradley Manning. And just so YOU aren’t further confused – it’s not even clear what Manning is to be charged with. Certainly it could be treason . . . but if he exposed enough crime and corruption (and so far there is a lot in the first 847 documents) don’t count on it.

The response in Washington in about job and status preservation. Lieberman’s reaction is predictably absurd because he is the Chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and sits on the Senate Armed Forces Committee. Perhaps the State Department (who turned down an offer by WikiLeaks over the summer to review and redact the info that WikiLeaks was given) has identified some potentially harrowing revelations about Lieberman’s involvement in certain regions of the world? We don’t know yet.

But we do know one thing . . . nothing Julian Assange has done is illegal under the laws of the United States.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Another code pink poster that doesn’t know when to quit picking up the rope soap!

What kind of idiot has to prefix every sentence with the word ‘fact’?

If Ron Paul ever becomes President of the United States, generations to come after hundreds of years will tell their children and grand children about one of their nations greatest Presidents that served his country in the 21st century, during an era of unthinkable corruption, lust and abuse of power, self-interest, moral decadence, partisan divisiveness,poverty amidst abundance of natural resources,and political correctness.

Not only is he the closest thing Americans can get to Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan; but he is actually the only visible prospective candidate(in all political parties combined) for the office of POTUS that perfectly understands the job description for the nation’s highest office. Furthermore, there is no member of congress or current US politician that knows and fully understands the US constitution more than Ron Paul does.

The only unfortunate part of the issue is that the very rich and powerful elite “establishment” will do everything humanly possible to ensure he never gets elected to that office, even if it means having him assassinated like JFK, and perhaps before he even gets elected. When I say establishment I don’t mean only within the United States, but rather I am referring to the “invisible” global establishment that seems to be in control of the world’s governments. They will be frightened to death about the prospects of President Ron Paul who poses a great danger to their secret power web. Average citizens in most civilized nations of the world barely know what is happening in their topmost levels of government and how the system is run. Every sensible person knows that US presidents like George Bush and Barack Obama are merely pawns, ordinary people have absolutely no clue who the Fed works for and how the Fed works. One should ask who really owns America. Is is the electorate(“the people”)? Is it the large Corporations? Is there truly a powerful secret elite club pulling the strings?

Over the decades, Ron Paul has been consistent with his Libertarian principles of individual liberty and limited government, and for this same reason the “Republican establishment” has never dared to accept him as their Party’s flag bearer in a presidential race.

junoon said:
What kind of idiot has to prefix every sentence with the word ‘fact’?

Fact: wrong it’s a call sign idot!

JusttheFax = very testy

puck30 said:
Thanks Frances for posting. My question since this whole thing started was Holder announced that The Government shut down about 60 sites that were selling phony pocketbooks and golf clubs.

And they can’t shut this site down? Oh well Ron Paul 2012, maybe my dream will come true.

Wikileaks isn’t selling anything and they’re not really violating any laws since the material has no copyright so there’s no infringement there….they’re just providing information….information which large entities clearly don’t want us “little people” to know about.

Just curious to know how many of you have read some of the information from that site?