I find this focus on what has been happening on the streets in Europe and is likely to happen in the US fascinating. We have appropriately turned the original Tea Party participants into national icons, yet they were by any standard hooligans involved in the wanton destruction of private property. Their frustration involved no taxes, but exclusion from participatory government.

The Greek and British protesters feel this exclusion as well. We can and should fault their tactics, even as we try to understand their motivation. Wealth conveys power. When the disparity in income and wealth in any democracy becomes too great, too obvious, too intolerable, the results are predictable. And, this is simply because it is a clear, irrefutable sign that the power elites have wrestled control from the people.

One would think Paul and the latter day T-Partee would understand this. That their sympathies would be with those on the street. Certainly, they speak endlessly, monotonously about people and power. In the case of Paul and the Paulinists, there is simply the flawed axiom that the absence of government is freedom. In the case of the latter day T-Partee there is the inherent dishonesty that they are concerned with limited government when they actual support a very strong government that engineers an intrusive social conservative agenda.

Yes Ron there will be people in the streets because of idiots like you who do not want to raise taxes so we have a governement that provides the services we need as a country. Of course the rioters will be TeaIdiots and your supporters because they are the ones who are going to be left on the side of the road with signs in their hands. Why? Because you don’t want to rais taxes. Becasue you think the federal governmnet is everyone’s enemy. Corporations and individuals have the lowest tax rates ever. (Don’t start talking about 35%. That is crap. How about GE’s rate and Carnival Cruises rate?) All those multi-million dollar atheletes and TV stars, they are creating a ton of jobs, aren’t they?

Most people are blaming the idiots who want to regress to a no social safety net situation, in order to give the super rich an even bigger share of our national production. Its time to tax those who have monopolized our national wealth.

There is something appealing about libertarianism on one level. After all, true libertarianism is antithesis of Republican social conservatism reaching its hand into our homes, our lives. But, libertarianism always seems to take us down a tortured and treacherous path of paranoia, doesn’t it. I don’t know if this is the inevitable path, or if it merely results from some personal limitation of libertarian leaders.

Ron Paul is being ignored so he has hired Glenn Beck as his marketing director.

I think it’s a bold move.

You probably thought the likelihood of unemployment soaring DESPITE massive government spending was ‘fascinating’ too.

Libs are a brain-dead lot, trying their little economic and socialistic ‘theories’ on for size and then feigning ‘surprise’ at the ‘unexpectedly’ miserable results while simultaneously shrieking, ‘Not Our Fault!’

The “Not Our Fault” mantra seems to be wide-spread, with a full 51% of Americans still blaming W and Big D*ck for the Recession and a mere 31% President Obama.

I can understand why you ignore that fact.

and the conservatives have done such a fantastic job using their theories of less regulation and lower taxes – turning a surplus into record deficit and allowing financial collapse.  Listen to yourself friend – you know this isnt the fault of an imaginary demon labeled ‘Liberalism’.  You know that and I know you know that.

Now get with the program and start problem solving instead of insulting fellow Americans…

You liberals are really brainwashed.  You have been raised in an era where you were told that federal social programs are the governments responsibility.  Well it’s not.  It has been developed by politicians (mostly liberal politicians) over the last 50 years.  Read your history on the Constitution and the floor debates in the Continnental Congress. Its exactly the opposite of what you have been brainwashed into believing – and now feeling entitled to.

Royal Emperor- It would help if you had some facts about libertarianism instead of just making stuff up. Ron Paul and most other libertairians like my self believe in limited government not “no government”. The role of government is to set standard laws that apply to all citizens including the government and the rich. The second role of government is to enforce ALL of those laws. The third role of government is to protect us from invasion.
The first two points neo-cons pretend to agree with, they just never follow through on them. The third point they disagree on how to accomplish it.

As to RP sympathizing with the rioters in england and greece he does to a degree, he doesnt want to see that here in the US so he would like to change that by becoming president. His ability to forcast the economy shows that he know whats going on to a degree that many believe his polocies would work to prevent it. Alot of comintators claim his fiscal polocies wont work, yet these are the same people that were mocking him for sugesting a housing bubble and a market collapse….

We have riots now . Wisconsin State Fair . Peoria . Chicago . Flash mob robberies . Detroit .

Robert Stephenson and BFD  tried doing a flash mob robbery in Austin last week .
Just the two of them .
In a WalMart .
Did not work out well .

blah, blah, blah ‘Bush’…blah, blah, blah ‘Cheney.’

You Libs are such a one-note band of useful idiots, but do continue with your impotent diatribes and see where it gets you.

Meanwhile, while you’re kneeling Lewinsky-like before Obamo, I’ll continue bludgeoning him…long after he’s thankfully tossed aside. After all, if you feel compelled to bash Bush years later, Obamo deserves at least that.

Enjoy November 2012!

The longer we live in a country with government paralysis and inaction,where politicians are more interested in re-election and pandering to their own bases,while millions are out of work,millions are in poverty and there are no solutions or real alternatives to choose from,the closer we get to rioting and civil unrest.

The longer we play blame games when the real blame is widespread and spares no group,party or ideology,the longer the country is allowed to spiral downward on every level taking more and more ordinary citizens with it,the closer we get to a breakdown of our system.

Right now Americans are facing a likelihood of at least 5,probably 10 and possibly 15-20 years of struggle because of the decisions and the lack of decisions of our elected leaders.And to make things worse,there seems to be no alternative,no truly effective leaders,no real answers or solutions and no learning from the mistakes to prevent more of them.

What will Americans be willing to accept after years of struggles with no answers?What will this country be like as the years go by?I have never been more scared,more uncertain and more completely frustrated and disappointed in my life.I’m sure I’m not alone.

You only have to look at post world war one Germany to learn what can happen when chaos,struggle,poverty and anger make the choices instead of real action or solutions.For the first time in my life I no longer am convinced that ten years from now this country will still be stable.

NEWS ALERT . This Just In !!  

Moochy Obama and her entourage left Martha’s Vineyard this morning for two days in Paris .

Her Moochiness decided she needed some time off from her vacation . Will return when ready .

We have appropriately turned the original Tea Party participants into
national icons, yet they were by any standard hooligans involved in the
wanton destruction of private property.

Your ignorant self-assurance is astounding, Kook. The Sons of Liberty dumped the tea into the harbor, period. There was no wanton destruction, there was the very deliberate, thoughtfully calculated destruction of the tea, and nothing else.

So arrogant, so positive and so utterly, thoroughly, completely wrong.

Oregon is starting to sprout Obamavilles.  Riots are next, no doubt.

The recession is over. We recovered last summer, right? The coming recession? That’s Obama’s.

http://tinyurl.com/3jbu2ke

Do you know what the term “record deficit” means?

Do you know what the word “give” means?

Corporations and individuals have the lowest tax rates ever.”

Totally untrue, but then again you are an ignoramus

Look at personal rates in the 1930s and the 1990s.

http://visualizingeconomics.com/2011/04/14/top-marginal-tax-rates-1916-2010/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+VisualizingEconomics+%28Visualizing+Economics%29

And the 47% who pay no Fed income taxes?

Most people are blaming the idiots who want to regress to a no social safety net situation”

Really? name those who want no safety nets. Please provide their quotes attesting to that.

The fact is Paul has no chance.

THE STRAIGHT POOP OUR ECONOMY & GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEM:

The folks who are getting free shit, don’t like the folks who are
paying for the free shit, because the folks who are paying for the free
shit, can no longer afford to pay for both the free shit and their own
shit.

And, the folks who are paying for the free shit want the free shit to stop, or at least slow down, while the folks who are getting the free shit, want even MORE free shit on top of the free shit they’re getting already

Now, the government that is forcing people to PAY for the free shit, has told the people who are RECEIVING the free shit, that the people who are PAYING for the free shit, are being mean,
prejudiced and racist for not wanting to give them even MORE free shit.

So, the people who are GETTING lots of free shit already are
convinced they need to HATE the people who are PAYING for their free
shit because they are selfish & racist for not giving them MORE free
shit.

They are promised more free shit if they will just vote for the
politicians who will force the people who pay for the free shit to give
them even more free shit. But, when the free shit stops they riot, burn,
steal and commit mayhem, just like in England recently.

So, if the government can’t provide the FREE shit, they will simply
bypass the middleman and go take the shit they need from whom ever has
it.

How shitty is that?

http://tinyurl.com/3ncxfsz

I’ve never seen such a hypocritical group of people in my LIFE.

The party of Personal Responsibility has obsolved Bush and Cheney of all personal responsibility.

Wow.

Instead of being so hypocritical why don’t you all simply say – “we F’ed up. We’re sorry and it won’t happen again (Rick Perry).

Obama has the highest deficits ever and now has accounted for $4 trillion in debt in 2.5 years= $1.6 trillion a year versus Bush’s $5 trillion in debt in EIGHT years= $625 billion a  year.

Take some remedial math!

Funny how these stats get lost:  the miniscule percent making 1 mill per year paying for 20% of all taxes in this country,  small percent making 250K paying over 50% of the taxes, and 50% are paying NO TAXES at all.  Yet the rhetoric “its time to tax those…..”  Its time to end the spending and the sense of entitlement.  

You want to talk hypocrites- libs are the apotheosis of hypocrisy! They call for a more civil political dialogue an then call their opposites “terrorists”, “enemies” racists, etc.

First, the probability of significant numbers “taking it to the streets” in a terribly un-Doobie Brothers like ways. A Europe specific analysis spanning 100 years found correlation between austerity movements and social disorder.  (Note: Austerity is a political choice)

“As expenditure cuts start to bite, the number of anti-government demonstrations, riots, general strikes, attempts to overthrow the established order, and political assassinations increases dramatically.”
http://www.social-europe.eu/2011/08/riots-and-budgetary-austerity/

Now, Europe isn’t just a river in Egypt… it also happens to not be the United States.  Here we have a massive social pressure valve called the “prison system”.  No other country jails it’s celebrity/ entertainer and browned skinned populations with such gusto.  This, in part, accounts for a statistical decline in violent crime during our “great recession”.  

Of course, future threats such as food inflation pose a risk.  It turns out that both massive subsidization of corn (or maize) as biofuel and financial speculation are significant price inflators. (Please note that both are responsive to policy shift)  

“Researchers from the New England Complex Systems Institute in Cambridge looked at trends in food prices and recent protests and riots in North Africa and the Middle East. They found a noticeable link between the two, suggesting political disagreement isn’t all that’s necessary to spark conflict. Instead, the lack of security and access to people’s basic needs — including food — are better predictors.”
http://news.discovery.com/human/do-food-prices-influence-riots-110816.html

Second, it is clear that large scale disorder, ominous as it is… is avoidable.  We have very good ideas about cause.  The problems are responsive to effective leadership by the political class.  Lets see of anyone in the media responds to projection of European disorder onto American shores with discussion of how we can avoid the conditions that compel the folks to “crack open their neighbors heads and feast on the goo inside”.  

Pablo, pablo, pablo, have you ever made a point that was totally based in fact?

Here I am going to give you a change to be factual and truthful.

Now, answer these questions:

1) Did George Bush have a budget surplus when he went into office?

2) Did George Bush pass Medicare Part D, start the Iraq war,cut tax rates for the rich, start the Afghanistan war and presided over the housing crash?

3) Do you think any of these events had any cost implications?

When you say “NO TAXES at all,” do you mean they don’t have to pay sales taxes, property taxes etc.?

Is 50% of the country American-Indian and living on a reservation?

Another delusional statement from Stonepark, the Moron of the Month. http://ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of-federal-individual-1.html go check the tax rates they are all there. 93 – 2000 39.6% But that is for people making over $250k back then. Now it is 35 for pepople making over $35k or there about. You don’t have to worry about any of that becasue you don’t even com e close to making that kind of money. Byt the way moron, the tax rates in the 30′s from 32 – 39 when the recovery was taking place was between 63 and 79% so again this proves if we are going to recover we need a higher tax rate, you delusional twit.

I agree there are many things that are appealing… Drug policy, abortion rights, limited military, however the abandonment of the social safety nets and laize faire economics is way too much of a price to pay for the benefits of a Ron Paul ideology.

No he inherited it all!

Obama Facts:

Record monthly deficits
Record debt
Record # of foreclosures
Record # on welfare
Record # living in poverty

Bush increased the debt $5 trillion in 8 years= $625 billion a year
Barry? $4.0 trillion in 2.5 years= $1.6 trillion a year.
And Barry’s deficit this year will be $1.5 trillion.
Bush’s debt cost $1.6 billion a day, where Barry’s cost $4.1 billion a day.

”
When Barack Obama took the oath of office twice on Jan. 20, 2009, CBS’ amazing number cruncher Mark Knoller reports, the national debt was $10,626,000,000,000.
That means the debt that our federal government owes a whole lot of somebodies including China has increased $4,247,000,000,000 in just 945 days. That’s the fastest increase under any president ever.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/08/obama-national-debt.html

Obama Presides Over Most Jobs Lost Since 1940
By Julia A. SeymourBusiness & Media Institute1/8/2010 11:03:00 AM

Unemployment shot up in 2009 from 7.7 percent in January to 10.1 percent in October before settling at 10 percent in December. Behind those percentages were more than 4.1 million people who lost their jobs during the year. According to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that’s the most job losses in a year since 1940. (BLS could only provide data from 1940-2009)
Obama:  First downgrade of USA debt in the history of the country

Obama :  ‘US house price fall ‘beats Great Depression slide’

Obama: February 23, 2009: 4:41 PM ET WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Barack Obama pledged Monday to cut the nation’s $1.3 trillion deficit in half by the end of his first term.”Aug 23, 4:42 PM EDTNew-home sales fall, 2011 could be worst year yet By DEREK KRAVITZ
AP Real Estate Writer Buy AP Photo ReprintsInteractivesFireplacesPainting TipsKid’s Room DecorHow to Stage Your HomeDesigning for Small SpacesTree HousesGreen RemodelingUniversal DesignHome Theater BasicsHome security productsBasement RenovationsHow to Prep a Guest RoomPreparing your garden for winterGo inside the smart homeExisting home sales interactiveGarage makeovers add value to homesKeys to know when buying a condoReal estate appraisal complaintsTrends in home officesBaby-proofing your homeLatest bathroom trendsLatest trends in poolsWASHINGTON (AP) — Sales of new homes fell for the third straight month in July, a sign that housing remains a drag on the economy. If the current pace continues, 2011 would be the worst year for new-home sales on records dating back at least half a century.”Aug 23, 4:42 PM EDTNew-home sales fall, 2011 could be worst year yet By DEREK KRAVITZ
AP Real Estate Writer Buy AP Photo ReprintsInteractivesFireplacesPainting TipsKid’s Room DecorHow to Stage Your HomeDesigning for Small SpacesTree HousesGreen RemodelingUniversal DesignHome Theater BasicsHome security productsBasement RenovationsHow to Prep a Guest RoomPreparing your garden for winterGo inside the smart homeExisting home sales interactiveGarage makeovers add value to homesKeys to know when buying a condoReal estate appraisal complaintsTrends in home officesBaby-proofing your homeLatest bathroom trendsLatest trends in poolsWASHINGTON (AP) — Sales of new homes fell for the third straight month in July, a sign that housing remains a drag on the economy. If the current pace continues, 2011 would be the worst year for new-home sales on records dating back at least half a century.”
February 23, 2009: 4:41 PM ET
 
WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Barack Obama pledged Monday to cut the nation’s $1.3 trillion deficit in half by the end of his first term.”
Aug 23, 4:42 PM EDTNew-home sales fall, 2011 could be worst year yet By DEREK KRAVITZ
AP Real Estate Writer Buy AP Photo ReprintsInteractivesFireplacesPainting TipsKid’s Room DecorHow to Stage Your HomeDesigning for Small SpacesTree HousesGreen RemodelingUniversal DesignHome Theater BasicsHome security productsBasement RenovationsHow to Prep a Guest RoomPreparing your garden for winterGo inside the smart homeExisting home sales interactiveGarage makeovers add value to homesKeys to know when buying a condoReal estate appraisal complaintsTrends in home officesBaby-proofing your homeLatest bathroom trendsLatest trends in poolsWASHINGTON (AP) — Sales of new homes fell for the third straight month in July, a sign that housing remains a drag on the economy. If the current pace continues, 2011 would be the worst year for new-home sales on records dating back at least half a century.”
Aug 23, 4:42 PM EDTNew-home sales fall, 2011 could be worst year yet By DEREK KRAVITZ
AP Real Estate Writer Buy AP Photo ReprintsInteractivesFireplacesPainting TipsKid’s Room DecorHow to Stage Your HomeDesigning for Small SpacesTree HousesGreen RemodelingUniversal DesignHome Theater BasicsHome security productsBasement RenovationsHow to Prep a Guest RoomPreparing your garden for winterGo inside the smart homeExisting home sales interactiveGarage makeovers add value to homesKeys to know when buying a condoReal estate appraisal complaintsTrends in home officesBaby-proofing your homeLatest bathroom trendsLatest trends in poolsWASHINGTON (AP) — Sales of new homes fell for the third straight month in July, a sign that housing remains a drag on the economy. If the current pace continues, 2011 would be the worst year for new-home sales on records dating back at least half a century.”

That ws 350k not 35k before you jump down my throat.

LOL.

So the 23% in the ’30s and the 28 % in the late ’80s was greater than the current 35%

ROTFLMAO

BTW, saw Harry Potter the other day. Did you know that boys and girls can now fly?

LOL

LOL

You are not very bright are ya? We are taking about Fed income tax, something that is foreign to you because you pay none.

He’s very unpatriotic, when you get right down to it.

http://tinyurl.com/3hpjhzw

Federal taxes, genius.

Why do we need a “social safety net?”
Why can’t people be responsible for themselves?
I’m tired of paying for other people’s safety nets, that I will never use.

The safety net we need is for everyone to spend less and save more.

1. No. There was a projected surplus, but not an actual one. http://tinyurl.com/5u7zvo

2. Medicare D, yes.  Started Iraq, no (that was his father), Tax cuts for the rich? No. Across the board tax cuts, yes. Afghanistan war, yes. Presided over the housing crash? Yes. Presided over building the housing bubble, no.

3. Yes. Duh.

Yes, the tax rates are all there, except for the pre-1913 tax rates, which were zero. The top rate:

1913-15  7%

1916      15%

Do you know what the word “ever” means? And why are you calling the Great Depression the period when “the recovery was taking place”? That’s deeply stupid.

Why a social safety net? Because of compassion.

So Bob, you then do not favor social security, medicare, etc.? Millions of elderly would perish without it.

Your argument would hold more water if it was not only three years ago at the end of the Bush years that our economy was on the precipice of disaster. Did you forget?

Even if you despise our President and his wife, that does not mean that everyone does. They will love her in France.

We progressives do not really need to riot, just vote.

All you righties miss the point. GOD did it.

She’s just going to what she thinks is the source for French Fries .

Mrs. O , pick up some of that French toast while you’re there .

And threaten , as Maxine Waters did , to help the Tea Party ” go to hell ” .

What a sweet old bat .

since governments are cutting back in europe, then it wouldn’t be “europe-style”
riots according to paul (as he argues americans are upset with “too much” government)

What is so funny is that the guy who made the statement didn’t bother to respond.  You know why.  It’s because so many pundits have said “NO TAXES AT ALL.” He might have actually believed that.

Then comes the more learned idiots to carry the water.  What a JOKE all of you idiots are.

And are you actually going to begrudge someone who isn’t making enough money to qualify for the government to “take” their money?

Do you really want to give those people a hard time?

You are F*&^ing morons. The point is idiots, you and Pablo, we have to have higher taxes. We need to go back to the Eisenhower years and institute the 90% tax bracket that was in effect from 1950 through 1963. That is the only way we are going to get the debt under control. That is the only way we are going to get America back to work. 1950 – 1963 were the “glory” years in America, don’t you agree? A great sense of optimism and opportunity or do you want rewrite that history as well? You two are stupid twits with no sense for the common good in this country. You are just Me, Me, Me, kind of guys. I wish both of you a life along side of the road, standing next to eah other,  with the exact same sign in your hands saying, “I’m with Stupid! We could have voted Democrat. Please help us pay our medical bills.” LOL!!! I have always wanted to hear what real TeaIdiots were like. You haven’t disappointed me. You just confirmed everything I thought. You both have terminal cases of cranial rectal inversion.

The Tea Party DOES NOT have the perception that NO Government is freedom…..looks like you bought into the lies the left is spewing!!

And where were these people seven years ago when their ire would have actually prevented the current mess? Answer: they were too busy reelecting Bush-Cheney.

That’s why I — and most of the country, for that matter — find it nearly impossible to take the teabillies seriously. They sat on their hands for eight years, silently enabled the destruction of the economy and pretty much pretended that the disaster started on the day Obama was inaugurated, which is a complete fiction.

Those who now make up the tea party supported the rampant deregulation of the financial industry that turned Wall Street into a casino. They supported the two obscenely expensive (and grossly mismanaged) wars in the middle east. They supported the unfunded Bush tax breaks — and still do. And instead of taking any responsibility for their role in enabling our financial collapse, they’ve conveniently tried to blame Obama with their hollow, idiotic screams about socialism.

That anyone would consider these folks credible in the debate about our economy and our debt is absurd.

While I agree with Ron Paul that discontent, demonstrations, and even riots could come to our shores, they will not be of the type which had occurred in the UK. Those were riots by hooligans not based on economic status. Here in the US, the working and middle class are tired of having been ignored for the past 30 years. Lets face it, trickle down economics has actually trickled up. The wealth of these groups has been stagnent, while the wealth of the rich has shot up by 300% and all we’ve done is bailed out Wall Street, GM, and continue to provide corporate welfare for businesses which have enjoyed record profits. It’s just a matter of time when average workers will say enough is enough and potentially in 5 to 10 years, we could have massive protests  on Washington demanding fairness for Main Street. Unfortunately, hooligans may take advantage of the situation and do what they did in the UK. I have vivid memories, how blacks used the assisination of MLK as an excuse for violence and looting, breaking into stores, and walking out with anything and everything that could be carried, while the national guard and cops stood by and watched.

There was’t a way to reply to Stonepark below so I pressed a reply to you Yy. You are correct. They take no personal responsibility to anything… But to Stonepark below. Sure we call TeaIdiots, terrorists and racists. There isn’t too much to deny there Timothy McVeigh he was a for runner of the Tea Party, Anti-Abortion people bomb clinics and kill doctors, people who terroize mosques, birthers - yes those are the people who are more than likely to also be sympathetic to or part of the TeaBowel Movement. But youStonepark, we have special words to describe you. Try on, moron and idiot. Those look real good on you.

Hmm, Craig Steiner Vs FactCheck.org……decisions, decisions….

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

Iraq War…..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

No, not all….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_and_Growth_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2003

Housing bubble started and ended under Bush…..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_United_States_housing_bubble

Pablo, you suck at research.

I guess that is why all your answers are either STUPID and WRONG or WRONG and STUPID.

“Started Iraq, no (that was his father)”
I guess you’re referring to Bush’s “higher father,” huh?

Do you really want to give them free shit? Of course you do! Someone else’s shit, and you’ll take some yourself, right? Loser.

No, I mean his father who got us into a war with Iraq. Does 1991 ring a bell?

Actually, I remember him for pointedly NOT getting us into a war with Iraq. His advisors told him it would be a mistake. They were right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia

Did Mr. Spock have a goatee in your world?

Can’t argue with that Yy. Straight from Wikipedia, the source of all wisdom in America’s Teapublican Idiocracy.

You pose your arguments back them up with “facts” and websites. Then your arguments are proven to be wrong with facts and websites then you respond with your best Jerry Lewis impersonation.

How about a prime time program that pits 4 wheel drive vehicles against left winger anarchist in the streets.

It could be called: ” Real ” Americans bowling for ” real ” America.

Popcorn anyone?

You are absolutely right, post world war one Germany, exactly. The
Tea-morons are going to be the Brown shirts who take to the street and
start beating on people. They have been lied to and deceived by Rupert
Murdock who laughs at the idiots all the way to the bank, The uneducated
put their trust in other uneducated people like Glenn Beck and Rush
Limbaugh. They have listened to these clowns to the point they are
unable to discern the truth when the answers are right in front of their
face.

Dick brain – its called the law.  If you don’t like it you can do one of two things: 1) work to change it or 2) LEAVE THE FUCKING COUNTRY!

I perfer you choose the latter.

And if you aren’t paying taxes how are you being given “free shit?”  You really can’t understand it yourself – right? It’s because you’re blind with anger. 

You think poor people are fucking you but it isn’t them. It’s actually the rich people who make your lives so miserable.  They are the ones who told you that you SHOULD work for 30 years for someone else.  They are the ones who told you that you SHOULD have a 30 year mortgage on an $100,000 home which will end up costing you $250,000.

The rich people are the ones who control the government and make them pass laws which tax all of the power right out of you.  You can’t live a decent life working for a wage slave, living in a bank owned home and paying uncle same all your excess money.

The rich people are the ones who tell Fox to take the pressure off of them and put it on the poor blacks and the poor spanish and now the Muslims.  And you’re STUPID enough to fall for it.

You look towards the people with the least power and MOTIVATION to harm you and you think they are masterminding it all.

THE FLASH MOB IS JUST WAITING FOR YOUR CALL RON ,,SET IT OFF GRANPA

I have mentioned this before:  Arguably “we are [already] engaged in a great Civil War.”  So far, and hopefully remains one of philosophy and does not generate into armed conflict.  However, as a student of history, I am  afraid the time for compromise has passed.

The “Civil War” of which I refer, is about who we are as a people and what is our commonality, NOT our diversity, we’ve already used that oblique concept to damage our National self interest.  Effectively, are we the children of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, or, are we now the spawn of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin?

I grew up believing, with all my heart, that George Washington told his father: “I cannot tell a lie” after young George had chopped down his Fathers’ beloved Cherry tree.  Conversely, I am truly terrified by the allegory used by contemporary American’s, to sell their children and youth on the merits of Socialism and Progressivism…

Purveyor

WOW! 

Would you put me on your mailing list?  I do not yet know if you are a God or a genius Philosopher?  But, I’ll follow you, all the way to Guyana if need be?  If there is a comet close to earth, I will castrate myself, just as you have done.  I desperately want to be, just like you oh Wise One…  LOL

Purveyor

If ever we needed MORE government, it is now.  While there are still a few skeletal remains left over from the BushDrunks.

If ever we needed MORE government, it is now.  While there are still a few skeletal remains left over from the BushDrunks.

Is it really fair to declare Stonpark “Moron of the Month” when there’s so much competition from Pablo? Let’s not be hasty.

I’m finding the premise for your argument, “exclusion from participatory government”, is wanting. When the disparity of those taking, out distances those providing, the inevitable outcome is violence. A condition this government, as well as Europe, had to know would happen when the resources couldn’t meet the demand of an ever increasing government produced underbelly of non-producing parasites. Add to that mix, 15,000,000 illegal alien examples of this governments gross-negligence and it’s not hard to see why a growing majority of legal American citizens support the Tea-Party movement.   

You’re racism is showing. If this was any other first lady, you’d not say a word.

Didn’t Obimbo sign the bill extending the Bush taxes? Which of course, make them the Obimbo taxes don’t they. One of the few correct moves this pretender has made. Can you imagine where we’d be if he hadn’t extended the BUSH TAXES?

So, in your opinion raising taxes on an already dwindling number of millionaires is just? Can you explain to us just how overtaxing business, while 51% of American workers are not pay a cent in federal taxes is fair and promotes further business growth. It seems to me that the combination of overtaxing, and regulation has done nothing but stagnate business. Could I be wrong?

Seems millions did just that in 2008, how’s that working out for ya?

What is your definition of safety-net? Who does it apply to and, for how long? If your talking about keeping families on welfare for generations, or illegal alien parasites stealing tax-supported social programs, then I’d have to say, nothing more than basic essentials should be provided, and only to legal American citizens. The notion that this government, or any individual owes you something, and should be compelled to provide it is SOCIALISM!  

What is unjust about it?

What does taxes have to do with business growth?

And you rather there be no regulation so that consumers had no trust in business? 

So did you say thank you to President Obama for making millionaires happy?

Does the obvious have to be explained to you?! If you think hiding behind sophism is funny or cute, it’s not! Educate yourself, and stop with the impertinence.

Does the obvious have to be explained to you?! If you think hiding behind sophism is funny or cute, it’s not! Educate yourself, and stop with the impertinence.

you didn’t dispute what he said

he must have learned it from Reagan and the Bushs.  Again I ask, why do think the Republican party will do anything about the debt or balance the budget, when in the last 30 years they have made the issue worse?

If I were you I would start with history. Again I ask, why do think the Republican party will do anything about the debt or balance the budget, when in the last 30 years they have made the issue worse?

Who’s compassion? Just how far will you take that compassion? To the point it breaks this countries back?!!
Compassion is an issue the church, and private charity organizations should be involved with, NOT the federal or state governments. How the hell do you apply ”
compassion” to government ENFORCED,  redistribution of wealth. Just how the hell does that work?!!   

You’re mistake is considering him a republican…which he is not.  he actually to the right of republicans on fiscal maters and big government and even further to the left than democrats on the war…
The problem is people can’ see past this two party system and that is actually what is dividing us all…
Ron Paul is saying look…we keep going down his road and the further down we ge the worse off we are…so let’s turn back around before it’s too late!

You know your history.  Do you know why they did so?  Did you know who they thought were their enemy?

They didn’t mind the tax, but they had no seat in parliament.  Not a elected official they disagreed with, but no one.  Plus that tax was championed by the East India Company.  A powerful monopolistic corporation who controlled nearly all the trade in the world.  The colonists saw parliament as bought and paid for by them.  How would they react to the Tea Party of today?

what was it after the depression? do you have that number?

I think Pablo doesn’t try to inflame,  Stone on the other hand…  You ever wonder why he has Nancy Grace as an avatar?

anybody like this song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE

kinda true huh?

something tells me he will vote Republican. That or everything he (or she) says is internet trolling BS. I am saying there is a 50/50 shot of that.

If you guys would just research  this a little bit I think you would find ha he is a bit misunderstood.  A true libitarian believes that the government CAN NOT provide you with a “social saftey ne” and if they do there are strings attached…such as the patriot act where our alot of our civil liberties were sripped away all in an effor to “protect us”.  A true libitarian knows histroy and knows that in the corse of history governments are no good…and it is our duty to keep them in check.  It’s what all the founding fathers had in mind when they set up the constituion…thats why we have the right to bare arms…

Social security is private program both the worker and the employer pay into. This is an established program that was designed to supplement a workers retirement. If the average person averaging only 30k annually over their working life, taken together with the employers contributions over that life time, will never come close to being used during the retirement years.  
Medicare is an abomination. A Federal program, better served by the private insurance industry. And toping all the welfare sucking programs is Medicaid, a state tax sucking program that should have never seen the light of day.

Who’s paying for that trip? Or, is it wrong of me to ask?

I was agreeing with you until you stated the housing debacle as part of Bush’s issues. The housing market failure is directly attributable to the Democrats forcing lending institutions to lend to people who couldn’t afford to pay-attention, let alone a mortgage. In fact, Bush warned us about that issue.

If it means they’ll be hiring, I certainly will. I can’t remember the last time I saw a poor man hire anyone, can you?

also what were the numbers in 1946-1960?  You know, the boom period of the US economy?

so how did an article on dementia dispute his facts??

Also lets make a new rule.  Anyone who quotes a wiki page (all sides) gets an F

by the way, who funneled arms, training and money to Iraq in the 1970′s and 1980′s?

YES! No Safety Nets and big cities would hear Burn Baby Burn  INEQUALITY

Simple Swinney Kiss Method
Bear with my simple logic

5% own 62% Net Wealth———-80% own 15% 62/15
20% own 93% Financial Wealth—80% own 7% 93/7
5% get 67% Individual Income—-70M get 13% 67/13
Total 222/35 for 140M tax filers
30 people have $222=$7.40 each
110 people have $35 = $.32 each

That my dear friends is the Income and Wealth distribution in America today
It is not a perfect mathematical model but it is close enough to Paint the Picture
I want on INEQUALITY .

Anyone who can look at it and try to cover up our Inequality is either x xx xxx.
Use your own adjectives.

I used the Tax Foundation. org summary of 2008 individual tax income taxes
on 140,000,000 tax filers and My budget360.org on Wealth Distribution
clarence swinney political historian lifeaholics of America
author-Lifeaholic–Success by working for a Life not just a Living

You do know that GE is moving it’s 115 year old X-ray division out of the U.S. to China, don’t you? Did you know that you can no longer buy a light bulb made in America? Guess where their now being manufactured. I guess it pays to be a personal friend of Obimbo’s. And guess who is in charge of this embarrassment. That’s right, Jeff Immelt, CEO of GE, and head of  Obimbo’s Jobs Council.
Can we wonder together, about how many thousands of jobs will be lost in the U.S.?
Better yet, explain to us which part of this Republican lie, is actually a lie!  

fact check

Clinton to Bush to Obama
Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
Numbers rounded

Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $300,000 to $729,000
Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000
 clarence swinney–political historian–lifeaholics of america burlington nc
author-Lifeaholic–Life story of Workaholic failure to Lifeaholic success
Best seller list in haw river nc population 200 and growing
comments welcome at cswinney2@triad.rr.com facts -numbers not opinion

fact check
Three Conservative Presidents 1980-2009
took
600B Budget to 3600B
1000B of debt to 10,000
218,000 jobs per month to 99,000
took 240B surplus to 1400 B deficit as far as eye can see
Took Peace on Earth to Hell on Earth with involvement in 10 foreign conflicts
Gave America Great Recession
Gave Ameirca the following Redistribution of Income and Wealth to top

Clinton to Bush to Obama
Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
Numbers rounded

Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $300,000 to $729,000
Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000
 clarence swinney–political historian–lifeaholics of america burlington nc
author-Lifeaholic–Life story of Workaholic failure to Lifeaholic success
Best seller list in haw river nc population 200 and growing
comments welcome at cswinney2@triad.rr.com facts -numbers not opinion

Simple Simon says  No Safetty Nets Burn Baby Burn

imple Swinney Kiss Method
Bear with my simple logic

5% own 62% Net Wealth———-80% own 15% 62/15
20% own 93% Financial Wealth—80% own 7% 93/7
5% get 67% Individual Income—-70M get 13% 67/13
Total 222/35 for 140M tax filers
30 people have $222=$7.40 each
110 people have $35 = $.32 each

That my dear friends is the Income and Wealth distribution in America today
It is not a perfect mathematical model but it is close enough to Paint the Picture
I want on INEQUALITY .

Anyone who can look at it and try to cover up our Inequality is either x xx xxx.
Use your own adjectives.

I used the Tax Foundation. org summary of 2008 individual tax income taxes
on 140,000,000 tax filers and My budget360.org on Wealth Distribution
clarence swinney political historian lifeaholics of America
author-Lifeaholic–Success by working for a Life not just a Living

What is unjust about 51% of American workers not paying taxes that the other 49% have to pay? Seems the question answers itself.
Higher taxes has almost always translated to less hiring. Again, self explanatory.
When government over regulates small businesses in the guise of protecting lower income employees by increasing costs to those that hire these people, the result is going to obviously be, less hiring. Again, self explanatory.  

What is unjust about 51% of American workers not paying taxes that the other 49% have to pay? Seems the question answers itself.
Higher taxes has almost always translated to less hiring. Again, self explanatory.
When government over regulates small businesses in the guise of protecting lower income employees by increasing costs to those that hire these people, the result is going to obviously be, less hiring. Again, self explanatory.  

Record Deficits Mean

Reagan Added 180% to Carter Debt
Reagan added 80% to Carter Spending
Reagan cut Carter Job creation by 24% (218,000.month to 175,000)

Bush added 112% Debt to Clinton Debt
Bush added 92% to Clinton Spending
Bush added 31,000 jobs per month to Clinton record 237,000
Bush added two wars to Clinton Peace on Earth

Folks you cannot escape facts  numbers tell much

imple Swinney Kiss Method
Bear with my simple logic

5% own 62% Net Wealth———-80% own 15% 62/15
20% own 93% Financial Wealth—80% own 7% 93/7
5% get 67% Individual Income—-70M get 13% 67/13
Total 222/35 for 140M tax filers
30 people have $222=$7.40 each
110 people have $35 = $.32 each

That my dear friends is the Income and Wealth distribution in America today
It is not a perfect mathematical model but it is close enough to Paint the Picture
I want on INEQUALITY .

Anyone who can look at it and try to cover up our Inequality is either x xx xxx.
Use your own adjectives.

I used the Tax Foundation. org summary of 2008 individual tax income taxes
on 140,000,000 tax filers and My budget360.org on Wealth Distribution
clarence swinney political historian lifeaholics of America
author-Lifeaholic–Success by working for a Life not just a Living

OK, an argument I can agree with.

Economic equality is not taken, and given to someone else, it’s earned. Only a bottom-feeding parasite thinks differently!

You were slightly amusing when you went by ‘dick cheese’ but now you’re just boring…sinfully boring.

sorry let us fact check

Bush first budget began10-1-01 when Debt was 5700B
Bush last budget ended 9-30-09 when Debt was 11.900B
Debt is now 14.600B.A difference of 2.7T

Bush new programs are responsible for 5.1% of our debt and Obama new programs 1.4T.
Bush 6000B add on was mostly his new programs as tax cuts+ two wars+Part D medicare
Obama add on was Stimulus + Afghan add on + tax cuts

Hell On this Nation occurred during 6 years of Total Control of our Government by Conservatives.

The numbers are undeniable no matter how Busahloons try re-inventions 

It  is like re-invention of Reagana records..I voted twice for him does not change his numbers.
He has only ONE Great number Dow increase
Real GDP same as Carter 3.4 
Spend 80% more than Carter
Debt 180% more than Carter
Jobs 24% less than Carter
4 foreign conflicts to Carter 0
137 investigated of crimes. Record number convicted to Carter 0.
In fact, Reagan had more members of his admiinsitration convicted than the total since 1900.
Gorby changed Soviet Union Not Blarney Baloney
Gorby tore down the wall  not Blarney Baloney

Recall Clinton scandals??
Newt Congress  spent $110,00,000 per GAO on Hearings and Investigations trying to destroy Clinton
Result? One—One person working for Clinton was convicted of a felony–evil boy took $12,000 worth of trips to ball games with pals. OIC Smaltzsmear said No Quid Pro Quo. Just pls doing a ha done since college but  now illegal  Waste of 110M

Want Disaster-Give Control to Republicans  Burn Baby Burn in streets

Their pals own 93% of Financial Wealth but will kill America  to get 7%
clarence swinney olduglymeanhonest madmadmad at Inequality in America

End Of Rant  whew!

You think repressive tax’s ara responsibl for our post war prosperity.Reilly! you dont think that maybe the FACT! that we bomed the hell!! out of our competitons cities,infrastructure,manufaturering centers had something to do with it?
We had no competiton for 25+years starting in 1945.In1945-1946 when we were ramping up for peace time production,our forme enemies and allies were more concerned with rebuilding there cities infrastructure,that is there water delivery,electricity delivery,sewage,dams,ports,rail ect.
 When they were doing that we were manufucturing washhing machines,radios and car’s and the materials for rebuilding Asia and Europe.
If it was not for the VOLUME of commerce we enjoyd with no competition from the world those taxs would have killed us.

I’ve been hearing this for years from uninformed Righty fools and it’s a load of bullshit.

Show me the law or ‘regulation’ that forces lending institutions to loan money to people who can’t afford to borrow it! It simply goes against the concept of Capitalism at its very core. 

The banks were never forced to do anything. They were able to make bad loans because ‘no one was watching’ (thanks to deregulation). They knew exactly what they were doing. They then packaged all the bad loans and sold them as good loans and got away with it until they collapsed the system on themselves.

Nonsense, RRE.  Utter rubbish.

In what way does Paul remove social safety nets? He points out Medicare and Social Security are failing. He wants to restructure and make a sound system. Actually “listen” to what “he” says, not what media tells you he said.

Do you continue with a failing system that cannot be fixed till doomsday? Do you hope you can continue long enough to start another World war and hope to win? Common Sense says ofcourse not and that’s all Ron Paul is saying. Let’s get it all fixed and quit ignoring it.

Yes, I am a poor person ($13,000 last year on unemployment) who hired plenty of people this year.
Do you want me to explain how it works?

I found out about banks needing people to clean out houses. I asked my mom to help me get the necessary insurance (E & O and General Liablity) and set up a busienss bank account. 

Then I signed up with the companies the bank hire to manage the clean outs.  There are tons of them all over the country – Cyprexx, Safeguard Properties, Field Asset Management and Altisource to name a few.

Once I was signed up I called and called and called until I got orders.
And basically an order consisted of a task and price to complete the task.
A lock change was $60.  A lock cost me $10 at HD. There goes $50 profit.

A sales clean was $150. I could do a house by myself or with a partner.  If I HIRED a partner I would pay them $50 depending on the work.

A trashout was $25 for a cubic yard.  If the house was filty I could get up to $1,000 to clean out a house.

For the lawn service I got paid $65.

And this is just one example. I am sure there are plenty more.

CA,

Here is a little info and math for you.

When are taxes paid before you make money or after you make money?

Good, since you pay taxes on PROFIT money you’ve made.

Please tell me who can taxes affect hiring? 

If I look at my books and I make $50,000 in profit my first quarter and I know things are going to be good and I am going to need help I am going to higher someone to take up the slack.

Even if I pay my taxes on a quarterly basis I am still due a refund if at the end of the year my profit isn’t $200,000 for the year as I projected but $80,000 because I hired more people.

Or I can choose not to pay taxes quarterly have a good first quarter and expect better 2nd and 3rd and I can hire someone and guess what that persons salary comes off my bottom line.  So if I have $1,000,000 in revenue and $900,000 in expenses (my own salary and car included) then I only pay taxes on $100,000 profit OR I could choose to reinvest that $100,000 back into the business before I even realize it because I have looked at the numbers and I could see it coming.

Murdoch s party in UK the conservative party is the GOP in America, both these nation believe in Greed and power! The world is not full of wealthy people ,so I guess you and people who think like you will just have to come out and kill the poor and middle class if you have the nerve

Yes, and Chris Mathews needs to drink even more booze to solve his ratings problems.

I see you are and idiot as well as bigot I would take great pride in using what I learned in Vietnam up close and personal with you!

We have already seen mobs in the streets. The mobs are mainly union thugs who turn out every time there is talk of cutting their benefits or other goodies.

YOU are paying for it! And you’re going to keep on paying for it for as long as you live in the country so SUCK IT UP TOUGH GUY!

YOU LIE!

The banks were hoodwinked by Tyrone and Juan.

Those two guys and all their illegitimate children are responsible for the entire US housing bubble.

What you call “taking” is called the LAW by most normal people.

Do you have a problem with the law of taxes?

Then do something about it.  Don’t cry and complain to the people who have the least amount of power in the equation.

NO COMMENT

Respectfully, you forgot to mention Barney Frank’s culpability in the Fannie May, Freddie Mac debacle.

Quote: “When discrimination is used as a tool to fight or end discrimination, all that remains is discrimination.”   Purveyor, 1993

Whether the issue is Medical School application/admission, or housing loans, our Constitution requires “equal protection.”  Ergo, giving loans to unqualified candidates is a form of discrimination, hence un-equal protection.

I find it so peculiar, that when a Conservative arrives at a conclusion based on sound Constitutional protocol, Liberal’s get angry, as if reason should be supplanted by spooky incantations and magic?

Our Constitution is substantively, a beautiful document…

Purveyor

A question must have a modicum of validity before I will respond.  Ergo, I conclude your response to CACONSERVATIVE, is either insincere, ignorant or a feeble attempt at humor.  Hence I would counsel CACONSERV, to simply dismiss your query until you can demonstrate some semblance of propriety.

Having your mother wash your mouth out with soap, would make a fine start.

“Willfully ignorant,” surely you jest.  LOLPurveyor of Rhetoric

Ron Paul sees anger brewing and people in the streets is probably true. The anarchy impetus started with the TEA party’s confrontational actions and continue with 112th Congress and souring our economy. The people are watching the goings on in Washington. The TEA party has peaked and has soured the public by their confrontational actions at the local, state and national levels. Democrats has soured in that they believe the president has squandered favors in order to keep the country from going into another recession. With all the bad press, TEA party shenanigans and the Debt Ceiling fiasco generated by the TEA party it’s no wonder the president has been seen as the culprit. But, the culprit is the 112th Congress and the confrontational TEA party doing all the harm to the economy and the credit ratings of the USA!

You’re boring, Schmegma.  Sinfully Boring!

Keep this in mind when you typing while drunk: just because you have a business card that says you’re a philosopher doesn’t mean you’re a philosopher.

Actually, I have a copy of “Zen, and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance” next to me on the shelf. Right next to Keith Code’s, “A Twist of the Wrist.” Thats right, I even held an AMA Pro Superbike License for a while. Down in my lower level shop, sits an 83 Honda 1100F Honda in Superbike trim, including an 1123 Wiseco kit, Megacycle Cams and 33mm Kei-hin Smoothies. Runs on 110 Sunoco Race Gas. Right next to the Honda, is an 08 Triumph 900 Thruxton, with Tomselli Superbike clip on bars, Race pipes, shocks. steering damper, etc. On a tight road, I eat 1100s for lunch LOL Yes, I think its fair to say that I have my own “Zen” motorcycle experiences. Do you? LOL

I don’t think you understand what a mob, or thugs are.