Tommy Christopher needs to work for MSNBC, he would fit right in.

Boehner:   “The extra $400 billion would have had to come from increasing taxes on
the very people who we expect to invest in our economy and create jobs.”

Translation:  “The extra $400 billion would have had to come from increasing taxes on
the very rich people who pull the strings of the Republican party.”

Stick to your guns, John. Screw that boney ass Marxist Barack Obama.

I for one do not even want to know why Boehner is always yammering about Jell-O.

As usual you presume everything Boehner said is false and everything Obama said was true. Without evidence to support either claim. How do possible sign on as a columnist/jounalist. You are pathetic.

Loved that quote. “Dealing with the White House is like dealing with a bowl of Jell-O.” LOL, that is a great analogy of Obama and his administration.

MSNBCristopher

The fact that Boehner and Cantor AGREED to $800 BILLION in tax increase and then Obama pulls his typical Chicago ghetto fabulous crap and demands $400 BILLION MORE……

Obama is ONE AND DONE!

Pathetically sad that they compromise with $800 BILLION…….B I L L I O N  and Obama wants more?

Even Obama admitted it was $800 billion but that he did not think it was fair to cut spending 4-1…..

BOO HOO….Obama should not have blown through $4.5 TRILLION in 2.5 yrs!

The fact that Boehner and Cantor AGREED to $800 BILLION in tax increase and then Obama pulls his typical Chicago ghetto fabulous crap and demands $400 BILLION MORE……
 
Obama is ONE AND DONE!
 
Pathetically sad that they compromise with $800 BILLION…….B I L L I O N  and Obama wants more?
 
Even Obama admitted it was $800 billion but that he did not think it was fair to cut spending 4-1…..
 
BOO HOO….Obama should not have blown through $4.5 TRILLION in 2.5 yrs!

Maybe he thinks Bill Cosby is going to come along and magically fix the problem.

Wow, calling that an Al Haig moment is pure progressive spin.  Boehner says in the same breath, “And I think that’s for both of us to do what is in the best interest of our country.”    Tommy Christopher, shame on you.

Obama lied again and Boehner had had enough .

Obama is the roadblock to economic recovery .

Speaker Boehner: ‘I Take The Same Oath Of Office As The President. I Have The Same Responsibilities’

I see. So you acknowledge you have shirked you responsibilities. Nice.

Get Warren Buffett and Bill Gates to make up the difference in revenues- they say they want to pay more- that would be the patriotic thing to do.

Yes, a 50% increase is just a rounding error to Barry!

Hey, if Barry can shirk, why can’t others.

Hey, if Barry can shirk, why can’t others.

Boehner must be hitting the sauce *hard*. And I mean *harder* than usual. The sorry lush *did* pull an Al Haig. The president has a separate oath literally written *in* the Constitution. I doubt that Boehner even understands the difference between the legislative and executive branches! What the hell is he thinking? That he’s co-president? I mean, come on… (Although he *certainly* understands the difference between bourbon and vodka but of course when it comes to alcohol, he doesn’t care. He’ll just drink whatever is in the glass. Just like Dubya used to for nearly three decades!)

If it wasn’t an Al Haig moment, then there never was one. Tommy hit the nail on the head!

Maybe the President should bring his Nobel Peace Prize to the meeting tomorrow…

100% totally non-responsive.

Man, this is embarrassing- you have nothing to say on this issue, but you still think people hear want to hear your pathetic, prosaic diatribe on something that has nothing to do with this thread.

It has *EVERYTHING* to do with this thread, sister.

I have never posted a comment on this site in my life, but this article was so outrageous I feel compelled to ask whether “Tommy” Christopher is even old enough to remember 1981, much less make snide, wrong-headed quips about it.  And I’m certain Speaker Boehner will be gratified to know he has met your “required leap of faith” threshold.  Jeebers!

I have never posted a comment on this site in my life, but this article was so outrageous I feel compelled to ask whether “Tommy” Christopher is even old enough to remember 1981, much less make snide, wrong-headed quips about it.  And I’m certain Speaker Boehner will be gratified to know he has met your “required leap of faith” threshold.  Jeebers!

Wrong- again

This does though:

Obama friend arrested in Hawaii
By: CNN Political Unit(CNN) – A friend of President Barack Obama was arrested Monday for allegedly soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a prostitute, according to CNN affiliate Hawaii News Now.Robert Richard Titcomb, 49, was arrested with three other men Monday night and released later that evening after posting $500 bail. He is scheduled to appear at the Honolulu District Court May 2.

Searle6, Tommy actually makes an *excellent* point with this article. I refer you to my response to Stonepark3 below for more clarification.

I hear a couple of contradictions in there. We want to work with the WH, but as I travel around and talk to people I pretty much insist we get everything we want without compromise.

And , I’m confident we will not default because that would be bad, and yet we refused to deal with the debt limit as a separate issue. We {the GOP} recognize that default is bad, and yet we still want to use it as leverage to get our way.

Again, I think the Dems ought to insist at this late date that the debt limit be voted on as a separate issue.

I hear a couple of contradictions in there. We want to work with the WH, but as I travel around and talk to people I pretty much insist we get everything we want without compromise.

And , I’m confident we will not default because that would be bad, and yet we refused to deal with the debt limit as a separate issue. We {the GOP} recognize that default is bad, and yet we still want to use it as leverage to get our way.

Again, I think the Dems ought to insist at this late date that the debt limit be voted on as a separate issue.

Every time I hear the term “job creators” I get a boehner.

 No Jon you don’t have the same responsibilities. Maybe thats why we are so screwed up.

Your response was puerile and non-responsive.

but as I travel around and talk to people I pretty much insist we get everything we want without compromise. ”

I love how, as a lib, you have such a facility to lie. It’s something Barry has also.

“Lower taxes on wealthy individuals and corporations have failed, spectacularly, to create jobs, but have been very successful at exploding the national debt.”

It’s amazing how incredibly wrong you can be.  I know carrying water is a full time job but you should at least check actual facts every now & again.  I know you only associate with like minded typists but you should try talking to business owners.  The stranglehold that this government has on them is suffocating.  

Hmmm… I guess your little story *would* have relevance if the guy in question was under 18-years-old and President Obama was his guardian, but since he’s not and President Obama isn’t, we’ll just write this off as another classless stunt from a troubled Tea Bag loving delusional right-winger.

My response was a very good response. You just don’t want to acknowledge its strong factuality.

It has nothing to do with the debt- your brain damage is worse than I feared.

 typical chicago ghetto fabulous crap?
Have you been to Chicago? or the ghetto? God you sound like a fool, lol.

It’s the truth and has as much relevance as your benighted post did.

Cry me a river.

What makes you think Republicans will if they are in charge? lol.. do you ever think of that? If Obama wasn’t there, what do you think Republicans would be doing to help? Honestly.. tell me.

You never seem to complain when someone posts a pro-fox news or angry Obama post.. and yet you complain with someone with a more left-leaning article.. are you against free speech?

I bet he went with Barry trolling for hookers, jmr012.

LOL

Fact: Who cares how high debt ceiling is we can tax the rich our way out of it. Moron

Hey jmr012- Barry likes being around people who frequent prostitutes- that must mean Barry does to0, doesn’t it in your lib mind?

By: CNN Political Unit(CNN) – A friend of President Barack Obama was arrested Monday for allegedly soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a prostitute, according to CNN affiliate Hawaii News Now.Robert Richard Titcomb, 49, was arrested with three other men Monday night and released later that evening after posting $500 bail. He is scheduled to appear at the Honolulu District Court May 2.

Most recently the Obama family spent time with the Titcombs on a trip to Hawaii in late December 2010 and early January 2011. White House pool reports at the time noted Titcomb by name on multiple dates during the trip. According to CNN records, President Obama golfed with Titcomb on December 23, December 26, December 28 and January 2. The first family was joined by the Titcomb family on Christmas Day and spent most of December 30 at the Titcomb residence eating, playing volleyball and enjoying time on the beach. The first couple also had dinner with the Titcomb on December 29.

Well, if relevancy is stories about actions involving those taking part in the debt ceiling talks, then my post about the drunken Speaker actually *is* more relevant.

200k is NOT rich.

Raising the debt ceiling is a compromise. Deficits are bad. Trillion $ deficits are insane.

The debt ceiling is a side note. Moody’s and S&P don’t much care about the debt ceiling. They’re concerned, as I am, about how we’re going to pay our bills and if we can ever pay off what we’ve borrowed. Borrowing more money does nothing to solve these problems. At best, it delays the consequences.

The consequences are coming and you can neither borrow nor legislate them away. Pretending they’re not coming is great politics but suicidal policy. America should never be Greece, but that’s exactly where we’re headed. The only consolation is that we’ll be taking a bunch of other countries with us. We’ll all be tragic together.

Yep, President Obama hopped Air Force One in the middle of the night in between debt ceiling negotiations to go out with his old pal. Contact Fox News. They’ll go wall-to-wall with it. As a matter of fact, Fox News will air *anything* except the Murdoch/News Corp. criminal situation.

Boehner has no control over the Tea Party Repubs in the house, Cantor wants his job and he just wants to cry! So sad!

Lets see, when I gave a credit card to my kid in college and told him to be responsible and then the bills came and they were more than I expected he explained about how they all were legit. Just had to up the limit for him. Did it. Then the next bill came and it went over the limit but he explained it was all necessary and I upped the limit again. Well it just keeps happening and what could I do but up it again and again. Hey my kid wouldn’t lie to me! Now my husband has caught on because we can’t pay our own bills and says I can’t up the limit anymore and my kid has to learn to live within his means and he will have to turn the Cadillac in and get a used VW bug and move in to a lower rent area to pay off the deficit. I would say pretty smart husband but I won’t because he caught on pretty late in the game. No it isn’t about paying off the deficit it is about living within your means while paying off the deficit and stopping the children in congress from thinking that it doesn‘t matter how much they spend they can always get us to allow them to up the limit while they party on. Seperate vote means limit would be raised like the kid wants and he disappears to spend the money.

That poster has all of 6 comments here, all within the last hour. How do you know what they do or do not complain about?

Use your brain, snowy.

Eviscerate the social safety net, that’s what they’d do. Just like they’ve been trying to do ever since those programs were enacted. (Of course, their duped base is ignorant of that. How sad, huh. All those seniors voting for the very people who’ve been trying for fifty years to take away their Medicare and Social Security. NOTE To WINGNUTS: If you don’t believe me, look it up!)

Actually, Boehner lied and lying makes one think that nothing he said is true. “Save” the entitlement programs that are people’s safety nets? By privatizing them and expecting Granny to figure out how to judge health insurers to get the best deal? You think saying “save” is TRUE there? Really?

Same with “tax cuts.” You do know that Bush’s Congress included a ten-year drop dead date for a reason, don’t you? You have thought about why they weren’t simply made permanent in the first place, right?

Oh, wait: YOU HAVEN’T PUT ANY THOUGHT TO THAT, HAVE YOU?

Stupid.

You got that right. The hate has nothing to do with Obama’s policies. These fools don’t even know what they are. They post only talking points, giving no indication whatsoever that they have any knowledge of the details of what they are talking about. Instead, to obscure the real issue (and as an outlet for their hate), they hurl silly insults that any intelligent adult can see is due to nothing but jealousy, envy and pure hatred that someone they deem less worthy than they actually excelled beyond their own wildest dreams.

They hate the man for being good AND black. The better he shows himself to be, the more blinded by rage they become. Proof? Their silly teleprompter claims when how often have we seen Obama winging it just as articulately in front of the press, live audiences, one-on-one interviews, etc. 

And meanwhile, NONE of their heros and heroines can come close to matching Obama’s abilities. 

And that drives them even more crazy with their rage and jealousy and hate. 

Luckily, they are a very small minority, although they do dominate these comment areas. (These areas are their only outlet for their rage, so it’s probably good that they have them. Who knows what such whackos would do if they couldn’t let off some steam somewhere.)

Actually you are wrong.  The tax cuts were put on a ten-year window so that they could be voted through using reconciliation.

That’s the best you can do?

How lame.

you sir are an idiot….most of the increase in the debt is attribited to the trillions in spending Bush did during his years and used creative accounting and emergency war funding bills to keep the costs off the books….basically bush borrowed it and didnt write it down . i know you wingnuts want to forget bush ever was president but he left a pile of shit in the white house when he left…..Obama upon taking office decided that all the bush spending binges would be on the books instead of hidden…..thats haw the debt rose 4 trillion in a short time…….now you stupid assed lying nutcase republicans want to walk out on the bar tab you ran up…….HELL NO DIPSHITS PAY UP

Righto. Then how come nobody cared until Obama was elected? Bush brought the debt up to 9 trillion long before Obama entered office. And then Obama had to spend to keep states, businesses and individuals afloat during the recession (yes, that’s what the “out-of-control” spending was – and yes, it just is pathetic that the one thing Obama and Democrats can’t do is to explain that simple truth, often and clearly).

Yup, “out of control spending” on aid to states, bailouts to keep banks and automakers afloat, unemployment insurance, food stamps — it’s such a HORRIBLE THING to keep people and children from suffering during the worst downturn since the Great Depression!

Why, what are the soup kitchens to do, after all? People who fall on hard times are supposed to starve in the streets, aren’t they? After all, it’s their fault that they lost their jobs!!! The government has no responsibilities to help people any more than it shoudl help the states or help businesses. The government plays no role in anything!

Stupids.

2010 US GDP growth stated to be 2.6%
2010 US Federal deficit spending was 9.6% of GDP
2010 Effective or Actual GDP growth was a NEGATIVE 7%

Obama thinks that spending taxpayer’s money and FUTURE taxpayer money will get us out of this Depression that the Leftists in both parties created.

Tommy, Krugman, Obama and others that believe in Keynesian economics do not have a single cogent thought between them all. It DID NOT work in the first US Depression and it WILL NOT work in THIS ONE!

You DO NOT improve an economy by taxing it. You DO NOT improve an economy by shipping jobs to China by shutting down our energy industry. You DO NOT improve an economy by deficit spending. You DO NOT improve an economy by increasing government size and government jobs. You DO NOT improve an economy by repairing Mosques for the price of over $700 million in OTHER COUNTRIES!

If these things worked, Greece would be a socialist UTOPIA!

Bullpucky. 

For one thing, businesses aren’t monolithic. There can’t be a stranglehold on ALL of them (and I should know, since I AM a business owner). For another, businesses aren’t hiring because they have learned to do more with less AND because demand is so weak. 

And yet Republicans will lie and lie and lie and lie about that. Has anyone hear EVER heard a Republican refer to the simple facts of supply and demand?  

Yes, they lie by omission, too.

Racism always adds so much to any discussion. Thanks.

Why doesn’t Tommy start his articles with; I am Tommy, a flaming Liberal and everything that I write will be totally biased. Thanks.

What filth you are.

You do know that the tax on millionaires and billionaires is also on a married working couple making $250,000.  That doesn’t sound like a millionaire yet along a billionaire!

Indeed, it was an apt reference. I was scratching my head. With Haig. Now, with Boehner.

Stone, don’t bother to respond to jm. You can never get those few precious moments of your life back trying to argue with a complete moron that can only post blathering drivel.

Indeed, it is the purest, ugliest form of racism. Overt. Proudly held.

dumb ass there was no 800 billion tax increase…there was that much in increased revenue…achieved by tax restructureing LOWERING RATES and a flatter tax code….clearly youre too stupid to engage….you talking points morons are really sickening….uneducated republicans should know their role in society and go dig a ditch….leave politics to the big boys

This whole Greece analogy is getting more than a little shopworn.  It was not true the first time it was used and it is not true now.

It is convenient to say, “Look at that situation.”, ignoring the multitude of differences between the two countries.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/06/14/u-s-vs-greece-is-debt-situation-even-comparable/

True, but you have to have a bit of empathy for Boehner. He does love the country and wants to do right with it. He loves the Congress and wants to serve it well. He loves his party. I disagree with Boehner most of the time, but I don’t question his patriotism or his motives. Can’tor, however, is nothing but a c*cky, strutting, self-serving pischer. His kind do tremendous harm to our democracy.

They seem to keep getting that confused. I am not sure how difficult it is to know the difference between a billionaire and a couple making $250K but there are lots of things about Liberals I don’t understand.

Basically this means that they will end up passing the McConnell-Reid plan.

I must be getting too cynical, but all of this bluster on both sides seems a bit too choreographed.

Because the word “ghetto” was used? Give me a break.

LOL. “Ghetto fabulous” is fabulous.

I was paraphrasing.  I thought it was obvious but I’ll spell it out next time so you won’t be confused.

lol….dumbass….credit ratings are based on how promptly you pay your bills, not how much you owe…always has been always will be……suddenly when you wingnuts start to lose the argument you try to change the criteria….fact 1 youre far to stupid to understand how credit works, fact 2 you didnt know what moodys or S&P even did b4 yesterday….you dumbasses dont fool anybody….you homeschooled idiots aint worth a damn….copy and pasting shit from other sites…if your dumb ass really had a brain you would be quite dangerous….ive seen enought of your bullshit posted here to know youre no smarter than a 5th grader….spare us you fake attempt of intellegence

I don’t see how it is if both parties largely agree it needs to be done and we’ll be hurt more if we don’t do it.
It strikes me as the GOP saying, “We know it’s the right thing to do , and we agree it needs to be done, but we won’t do it unless you give us something else”  Is that a compromise?
Then when the Dems say, okay we’ll give you something , but we want some concession in return, {a smaller one by comparison} the GOP says NO WAY!

I don’t see anyone arguing the debt shouldn’t be addressed, or that the debt ceiling shouldn’t be raised.

First they have this component- –Analysts’ Default Odds: 50%-90% vs. Less Than 5%

They are comparing late stage cancer to early stage cancer and not calling them comparable.So because the US is not at the same stage of cancer as Greece, the two situations are not comparable?

I like this component- –Debt-To-GDP Ratio: 152.3% vs. 99.5%

So what is the solution that DC is coming up with? OH I KNOW THAT ONE, increasing the debt to GDP ratio. Grand idea they have there, only it proves MY POINT, that the only solution the idiots in Washington have is to increase our debt. YAY!!

The last component- –Two-Year Note Yield: 25.58% vs. 0.43%Well, one rating agency has ALREADY downgraded the US debt, yes not one of the top three but Moody’s has already stated if the US Federal government does not stop their insane spending, they will downgrade the debt even if the limit is raised.By the way, I had already read that article.

First they have this component- –Analysts’ Default Odds: 50%-90% vs. Less Than 5%

They are comparing late stage cancer to early stage cancer and not calling them comparable.So because the US is not at the same stage of cancer as Greece, the two situations are not comparable?

I like this component- –Debt-To-GDP Ratio: 152.3% vs. 99.5%

So what is the solution that DC is coming up with? OH I KNOW THAT ONE, increasing the debt to GDP ratio. Grand idea they have there, only it proves MY POINT, that the only solution the idiots in Washington have is to increase our debt. YAY!!

The last component- –Two-Year Note Yield: 25.58% vs. 0.43%Well, one rating agency has ALREADY downgraded the US debt, yes not one of the top three but Moody’s has already stated if the US Federal government does not stop their insane spending, they will downgrade the debt even if the limit is raised.By the way, I had already read that article.

That analogy would be effective if it wasn’t for the fact that both parties seem to be saying the debt ceiling does need to be raised and it will hurt the economy even more if it’s not.

the old birds of feather rule huh…..really weak…….surely you can do better than that…..guilt by association arguments dont carry alot of weight…..using that analogy all catholics are pedophiles

The McConnell-Reid plan is a WHOLE 3 pages. It is not a plan, it is nothing.

‘Jello’ dealing with a ‘House-full-of-Cry-babies’…..sounds about right to me!!!

Looks like Boehner is succumbing to Stockholm syndrome sickenss-he’s identifying with useless socialists (sorry about the tautology).

Hmmmmm…..maybe thats why America is in the place its in now……’Hey, if Barry can shirk, why can’t others!’….you would think its time for all to stop shirking, rt??

What is Boehner talking about? I think he’s been hanging around the baggers too much.

I audit mostly small businesses for a living.  Pretty much everything that Tommy put forth is based on what he wishes were true as opposed to what is true.  He’s nothing more than a Olbermann or Maddow regurgitating talking points on subjects he knows nothing about.  

Same here!!  The part of this article where the author says referring to Boehner  ” but his sudden self-ascension to the presidency was worth a chuckle”.  Doesn’t he understand that through our Constitution the three branches of government are equal.  That’s a really scary misunderstanding.  

I’m pretty sure that the credit card company would like you to pay the balance you’ve rung up already, which is precisely what the debt ceiling is, not new spending.

This whole debate about the deficit could have waited until after the usual August recess when they take up FY 2012 (some committees have passed out their spending bills, but not all of them).

Funny only if you’re a redneck racist.

Does it matter that he DOES take the same oath of office and that he HAS the same responsibilities that the oath proscribes?

 If you typed this ‘tongue in cheek’..very funny.
If you were serious…your a drunk, crack taking Moron.  I’m betting the latter

Hey genius,

It’s interesting to see how your base argument here accuses anyone who disagrees with Mr. Obama of being jealous. If such a person hates black people what is it they would be jealous of..that they are not balck and good too?
And speaking jelousy and envy… isn’t that the basis of Obama’s fixation on fairness. The idea that someone who has worked hard and accumulated wealth has to share it with someone who hasn’t. Please tell me why that is fair to the person who worked hard and became successful.
Sorry but I think the hatred, jealousy ansd envy are coming from somewhere else…maybe you should look within yourself and reread your comment.

Glad that you had read it.  The point is that I do not have the space to go into all the intricacies of why the analogy does not work.

1)  They could have given even more reasons why the comparison does not work, but they did pretty well with the limited space.  Decoding the way the EU works is not something you put in a blog post, let alone the blind-eye to the economic frailty of Greece.

2)  The spike in Debt to GDP has a lot more to do with the economic downturn than it does with Obama’s spending.  I do not have numbers in front of me, but I can pull them up if given a few hours.  A lot of these same spikes have been seen on a smaller scale during previous recessions.

3)  That is just political pressure, because where are they going to go?  Are they going to start buying bonds from the European Central Bank?  Japan?  Not likely.

Well duh! But it needs to be addressing the deficit and not going to the kid to spend as he wants. Read the last sentence where I am addressing your idea of raising the limit without addressing the deficit and spending reductions. Does that give you a clue? Instead of giving the kid a higher limit and simply trusting him to pay off the debts the parents must address actually making sure the deficit is addressed. In my simplistic analogy this means a separate arrangement by the parents and accually cutting the limit for the kid. In the real world it means a bill designed to balance the budget, cut spending and raise the limit, all with clear cut measures on how to pay down the deficit. Analogy is apt as far as it goes. Your idea of raising the debt limit without addressing the other problems is in error.

It does not have to be that long.

1)  We pass the debt ceiling.  2)  The President can ask 3 times for an increase in the debt ceiling.  Congress can say, “No, you didn’t!”.  3)  President vetoes it.  4) Debt ceiling is raised.

I said this was going to be the plan when it was floated.  It is just the way it works. :(

Hey if you read the Constitution you would know that all three branches of government are equal. That wasn’t an Al Haig.   And the Presidency is only 1/3 of the power. A separate oath make not a King.  This is a Republic.  Wow the lack of understanding how America works is breath taking.  

A bottle of Jack Daniels in his left hand, a bottle of Insta-Tan in his right … and a thick wad of lobbyist cash in his back pocket.
Boehner is only answerable to the corporate overlords who have purchased the services of the House majority.

I’m pretty sure that the credit card company would like you to pay the
balance you’ve rung up already, which is precisely what the debt ceiling
is, not new spending….

Obviously you have not been paying attention to what has actually been said by either side.  In none of the plans being talked about does the Federal Government actually begin reducing the amount owed on its credit card.  In fact all the plans keep adding to the amount, just at differing rates.  My take based on what has been said by all parties is the President wants to crank up spending on his pet priorities (his “investments” spiel) and needs the additional tax revenues to do it and the Republicans have consistently said no.  Boehner has said the Republicans agreed to 800 billion in revenues (presumedly from loophole closers).  Evidently that was not good enough for Obama.

Obama tells White House press corp what to go out and say.

GEEZ! http://www.breitbart.tv/when-you-go-write-your-stories-obama-calls-out-wh-press-corps/

Get out there members of the Ministry of Truth and spread your New Speak!

Rightwingers; dangerous and deadly at home and abroad!
Norway news is reporting the suspect, Anders Behring Breivik , is an anti-Islamic, right wing ex-Norwegian Military man. aged 32. So much for the Murdoch fueled Muslim convert rumours

It’s on net income, not gross income.

Just a small correction. It’s been 75 years since Social Security was started. And, yes, they have been trying to dismantle it for that long.

To the Right, if Social Security is a program that has failed, why has it been possible to borrow over $2 Trillion from it? If it wasn’t successful, it wouldn’t have been possible.

In what way, exactly, has Obama shirked his job duties? And when?

What is your point? Are you under the impression that Obama has anything to say about what people he knows, or knew, do? Why, exactly, would you believe something so ignorant? Are YOU responsible for what your friends do?

The House will not pass that.

Rumors have it, they are writing a clean debt limit raise. Small one, if the Democrats do not pass it, oh well, it is on them then. Only a rumor from an email from an insider. By the way, a few Senators have already stated they will not let the McConnell Reid plan up for vote. They have stated they will not abdicate their power to the president. Very Constitutional of them.

You know I do have to agree with your last sentence. That would be the one that starts with ” Oh, wait”.

 ”Stupid.” isn’t really a sentence but I bet you knew that.

You are correct that I didn’t put any thought into that. Probably because I was commenting on this article which does not mention anything about Boehner and safety nets which your claim of his intentions to destroy the mentioned safety nets is another assumption. By the way isn’t a safety net something to catch you when you fall and help you until you are able to take care of yourself. I don’t think medicare qualifies as a safety net but hey why quibble over details.

Just a thought…if so called entitlements like medicaid and welfare do not have an expiration date why should tax cuts have one. Oh right…becuase it’s not fair. Glad I caught that. You could have called me “stupid.” again.

Are you saying a family making $250,000 a year are billionaires?

I don’t think that it’s the fact that he is black, as much as it is that he is a Democrat. And a middle of the road Dem at that. They did this same stupid crap when Clinton was President.

The fact is that all 3 of the last Government shutdowns were because the GOP were trying to gut the social safety net programs. Again.

I remember when Gingrich, et al. came into office, willing (wanting) to go head to head with Clinton. Except that he was willing to work with them. lol That really pissed them off. Just as it is doing now.

IMO, not only are those 2 President’s smarter than Congress, and Dem’s to top it off, they were willing to work with Congress. That took a away a lot of their play acting in front of the public. How can you go head to head with someone who is willing to work with you? You can’t.

Finally the digs in this article by Tommy clearly portray his bias, Tommy is a Obama worshipping progressive liberal. The comment about Al Haig is interesting. Tommy should learn a few facts about history and the constitution. The speaker of the house and the president do take the same oath of the office. The speaker of the house is second in succession after the vice-president if the president can not serve the office. When Al Haig made the comment, he was neither a vice-president nor the speaker of the house, he was arrogant. Tommy is trying to portray Boehner as arrogant. Boehner is a very smart and skilled politician. After 2010 elections, we have entered the era of divided government. Boehner is doing a better job than Gingrich did against Clinton during that era of divided government.
Did Tommy show the same concern when Obama walked stomped out of the negotiations according to Mr Cantor, I guess that temper tantrum does not count.
I have no problem liberals such as Tommy. There are many liberals on the Politico. New York Times is a progressive liberal newspaper. I have a problem when a journalist with a clear bias pretends to be non-partisan.

“And speaking jelousy and envy… isn’t that the basis of Obama’s fixation on fairness.”

This doesn’t make sense. Obama is one of the ones who will have to pay more taxes. Did you not know that? Last year, Barack and Michelle had income of slightly over $5 Million. Why should they be envious of anyone else?

“The idea that someone who has worked hard and accumulated wealth has to
share it with someone who hasn’t. Please tell me why that is fair to the
person who worked hard and became successful.”

This is the way that I put it to my kids when they were growing up – as long as you live in this house you have to help take care of it. Period. There were exceptions, just as there are now, for someone who was not physically able to do so. That’s just common sense.

This is OUR country. And it belongs to ALL of. Not just those who make the most money. To put it bluntly, if you are not willing to take care of this house – move out of it.

I agree. All the lib millionaires and billionaires should be writing checks to the US treasury to cover our country’s shortfall. Stand up for what you believe for by paying up. Set the example for the rest of us.

You mean like the GOP not knowing that, according to the US Constitution and the US Supreme Court, that they do not have the right to NOT pay the bills? Which is what the debt ceiling is. It is to issue enough bonds to pay for the bills that Congress has already passed and were signed into law.

A Government’s economy is not the same as a household budget. At all.

I think we are all aware of this, but John Boehner may not be. And it was a stupid comment from Boehner, regardless. Johnny boy is hitting the sauce right now anyway.

Bush never ran a trillion dollar deficit, genius. Your boy has 3 in a row to his credit.

You’ll have to pardon the Real Royal Kook. He’s a douchebag and can’t help it.

Uh…     yeah. Okay. You’re preaching to the choir, buddy. I was talking about Boehner, since it was his quote. And don’t ever ask another question like that again. I just imagined what it would be like if Obama weren’t there and a Republican was elected president after eight years of Bush. It’s not something I want to picture often.

Debt ceiling is the top limit of what we can go into debt to. It is a limit not a way to pay bills. Saying it is a way to pay bills is like opening another credit card to pay the first one off and then not assuring that it is used that way. The balanced budget and spending cuts are what will address paying off the balance to the credit card. We are in so deep we will have to raise the limit but we need to make sure it is not so they can just spend more without learning to live within our means. We also need more revenue but taxes are not the thing. We need more jobs so more people are paying taxes and we need tax reform. IMO we need to scrap the tax code and enact flat or fair tax but simplifying the tax code will help. 

Do you remember Obama talking about SS checks not going out next month? It was eviscerated a long time ago. The safety net is a big pile of debt, which isn’t cushy at all.

They sold our parents and grandparents a Ponzi Scheme and they blew all of our money.

Hey, let’s have them borrow more money! What could go wrong?

The EBT card swinging, government cheese eating big boys, POA? Have you ever worked for a living?

Addressing the deficit is done in the budget. That is not what is happening. What is happening is that this Congress is refusing to pay the bills that have already been passed. Which made to those bills a legal contract. What is at stake is our country, and these idiots are playing power games instead of simply doing their jobs. Pay the damn bills! Congress was given the great power to issue bonds to pay the bills.

After making budget cuts about 4 months ago, when the latest budget was signed, our unemployment numbers have already gone up. That’s because there are real people in the departments whose budgets were cut.

It’s your analogy that is faulty. What we decide to do in the future is done in the budget. Once it has been passed and signed into law, we no longer get to decide! IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE! There no do-overs. Period. That is according to both the US Constitution (remember that, the document that the GOP has been insisting be followed to the letter?) AND the US Supreme Court.

It amazes me how they incite middle class and poor people to not give a flying leap about the plight of other middle class and poor people, and at the same time convince them to take an interest in protecting the rich from taxes.

Um no. To borrow your analogy, Seems to me what’s happening is Dad is willing to default on the bill and let everybody in the family get hurt without a promise of reduced spending. It doesn’t seem to smart or realistic. My Mom would call it cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The other flaw I see is that Dad essentially controls the charges that can be approved so the issue can be dealt with in steps. Step one , Avoid default. Step two , control spending and address the debt. The kid doesn’t have free reign to spend just because the limit is raised.

 The debt wasn’t incurred only by one member of the family. Some of the family members who criticize spending the most still have their hands out. Better tell dad.

Tommy’s blog is a joke. Obama is lying about everything. He has NO plan. He has pretend cuts. There will ONLY be a default if Obama refuses to pay the interest on the debt. The money is there. Does he have the nerve to not pay grandma? LOL, I don’t think so. Shut down the departments of Education, Commerce, Argriculture, Health and Human Services and the Labor department. Stop paying Planned Parenthood, the NLRB, NPR and all the other left-wing crap that the dems use to launder money for their campaigns.

(These areas are their only outlet for their rage, so it’s probably good that they have them. Who knows what such whackos would do if they couldn’t let off some steam somewhere.)

Amen, Phillip Avon St. Cyr! I’ve been saying that for years. Many of the right-wing commenters on this site and other Web sites are cowards who are genuinely angry, bitter, and very sad individuals. Many of them really are truly unstable, and indeed thank God there are so few of them in society. They can type their disgusting sewage all they want. In the end, it’s probably best that rational people suffer with their stupidity and vitriol online. Because without a venue for them to vent their rage, we would without question have more Timothy McVeigh’s out in society causing mayhem and murder. They really are that unhinged.

LOL, right! As a government they are not subject to the rules of finance? Borrowing? Limits? Income? Debits? Credits?Household budget you receive income from a job, Government budget they receive income from taxes. Household budget you pay bills which include utilities, food and credit cards. Government you pay bills, programs and credit.Household budget you have limits on what you think you can afford to charge. Government you have a debt limit which is the same thing.Household if you can’t meet your debts you cut back on what you can cut and maybe you get a second job or you get another credit card and say I will worry about it later. Government if you can’t meet your debts you cut back on waste and raise taxes or increase the revenue somehow. Or you raise the debt limit and say I will worry about it latter. How is this not the same?

Gee thanks Terri for helping me understand. I never imagined that a US president was capable of making so much money. But as is common with most liberals you ignore the point that someone trys to make. I mention Obama and fairness only because he is the so called leader of the democratic party and he is the one endlessly claiming that we need to be fair. And as is also common with liberals you lie. No one has mentioned not taking care of those in need if they cannot take care of themselves and to claim otherwise is a lie. But if it makes you fell better I can handle. So tell me how would you handle your able bodied kids that could take care of the house but refused. Here’s an idea take away dessert preferably from one of your other children..you know the one who works extra hard and give it to the one who doesn’t work quite as hard if at all.

Here’s the problem with your analogy. You need to put the debt under one roof. It’s not someone elses debt, it’s our debt. Now imagine you and your wife buy a house. You have a couple of kids. You’re getting those promotions at work. Life is sweet. Until you lose your job. Your wife and kids are still spending like they were when you had your job. They’re racking up debts. You’re up to your eyeballs in debt. You’re making moves to try to keep up with their spending. You even offer your house and car as collateral to you creditors, while you try to secure funds to repay your debt. That buys some time. Eventually you get notices saying they are going to take your house and car. You know someone willing to loan you the money, but you have reservations about your famiy’s spending habits. What if you pay their debts. Wipe the slate clean. What if they do it again? Good question. Here’s a better one. Are you really going to let them come and take your house and car while you sit there thinking about the consequences of paying back a debt you are legally obligated to pay?

Agreed, nobody cared to much before about the people the president associated with why should we start now.

Good job and I am glad you have decided to agree with me. Your step 1 and 2 are exactly right. So why did you say we should up the limit first? We failed to do step one and that means all of us from both sides of the aisle. Now we control spending and address the debt. It goes hand in hand and increasing the limit without addressing the spending will not accomplish step two.

I do believe that Obama had already indicated that he would have taken that deal, I think it more likely that Reid and Pelosi pressured Obama to seek the additional $400 billion, but this is only opinion.  I am not sure why Pelosi is even in these meetings, as she pointed out to the repubs in the Healthcare debate she knew how they felt, their input was not needed or wanted, and their votes were unimportant to the process..  kinda the same shoes she is wearing now. 

As always, Gordon is bold enough to call for insanity garnished with a LOL and a lie.  Classic GBS.  

You could not be more wrong…  although your credit history is very important to your credit rating, much of your credit rating is based on your debt to income ratio, as you begin to max out what lenders consider healthy your rating drops… 

The Federal Government should not be in the business of bailing out states..  Why should the people of a fiscally responsible state, who have sacrificed to maintain a good tax to spend ratio, have to spend their tax dollars to a state that was totally irresponsible with it’s spending and taxing….  All the states are responsible to their budgets and should not look to the Federal Government at all…  It would be totally unfair..

As if this is important to any thinking American that doesn’t suffer from arrested development.

My analogy is apt. It agrees with your first few sentences. We must address the budget and the bills. Increasing in debt limit does not pay the bills. It is like opening another credit card to pay the first. It moves money and debt around without paying the bill. No one is saying they don’t want to pay the bills. The argument is about how to do it. Determining how to pay the bills first is necessary before raising the limit or in other words opening another credit card to pay the bills with a plan to pay them both off.

Let us look at the question of debt ceiling little differently. If every thing fails, Obama should inovoke the 14th amenedment of the constitution and raise the debt limit. The question of revenues and expenditures will become irrelevant. Clinton has already proposed this alternative. If the negotiations fail and Obama does not invoke 14th amendment and raise the debt limit, it may be an impeachable offense. Obama knows the constitution and he will not let that happen.
So what is this fight about? As Obama said, elections have consequences. Consequence of 2010 elections is for GOP to demand limited government and low taxes. Proceeding elections went to democrats who believe in major government expansion such as Obamacare. It is a fight between two parties based on their core belief systems. This fight is setting a stage for 2012 elections. Obama wants to raise taxes and called it ‘balanced’ to draw independents. ’Balanced’ gives the impression of a reasonable compromise. Teaparty wing of the GOP wants to keep the promise they made in 2010 and get re-elected.
And what does Tommy do? take a dd at the speaker of the house.

“How can you go head to head with someone who is willing to work with you? You can’t.”

You just pout, stamp your feet, walk out and whine that he’s like working with Jello.

Because the entitlements are written without an expiration date and the tax cuts were written with an expiration date?  Just saying.

To be honest, I wish people were like that in real life, and not just behind a keyboard. It’s always good to have an accounting of where everyone stands.

What does this have to do with the argument? I was reading along thinking you were coming up with a good point then you never made one. Who is willing to pay the debt? Who is wiping the slate clean? I am legally obligated to pay but I am considering what exactly? You defined the problem much as I did with a different analogy. I say why am I still allowing my wife and kids to spend like I still have a job? That is a better analogy than mine but does not show mine to be inaccurate. We must stop government from spending like there is no end to the money.

Thank you for being so simplistic.  

Is this the part where I talk about the Blue states subsidizing the Red states?  Oh I love to do that, because it really holds up to any sort of examination.

Yeah Jay! I mean, come on! Do these guys have short memory or something? Don’t they remember how all the illegals and welfare queens caused our economy to fall into a recession? I’m just thankful the rich were there to bail everyone out.

Tongue and cheek are inseperable at the moment.

As I’ve said from the beginning, stretch this baby out and watch Obama crack. He’s never held a real job in his entire life for more then 18 months. It’s obvious that he hates the actual job of being President. He likes the perks and prestige of the office, but not the actual work.
Here he is bitching about having to do his job just today: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDfE-3U67Bk

I have been paying attention and I know it quite well.

The debt ceiling is commitments already made to a variety of parties.

Deficit reduction is an entirely separate matter, but somehow they have gotten conflated.

If the GOP wanted to have this fight they could have started it over FY 2012.

You haven’t been paying attention, because you quoted the $800 billion as if it were for FY 2012 instead of over a ten-year period.

This was all the big setup for the McConnell-Reid deal.  I called this a month ago and it makes me sad.

I think Boehner gets it. It’s just that his party keeps slapping him upside his head and sending him away anytime he proposes a compromise. Then he’s left scrambling for something to tell the public.

Maybe he should. Maybe the country can auction it, like they wanted to do to OJ’s trophy when he went bankrupt. You know, when the republicans send the country into bankruptcy by refusing to pay for what we already bought.

Ok.  You obviously do not understand how a contract works.  Congress has already spent the money and made contracts for services, etc.

The balanced budget amendment as written in the House would never get 3/4 of the states, so that is a non-starter.

The spending cuts are over a ten-year period.  Even at the high end of 4 trillion it is only slightly higher than the current budget.

Yes.  The fair tax proposition.  Whatever.  Not going to happen and would distort our consumer oriented society even more.

Wow!  Does this mean that they will cease to teach macroeconomics in school and just say, “If you can balance your checkbook, you can actually run a nation of 300 million people.”?

“The idea that someone who has worked hard and accumulated wealth has to
share it with someone who hasn’t. Please tell me why that is fair to the
person who worked hard and became successful.”

There is no reason to. This is only to pay the bills that have already been approved by Congress. Congress is not allowed to change them or to do away with them.

The latest budget cuts, which is where they belong, were passed several months ago for the 2011 budget.

” My take based on what has been said by all parties is the President wants to crank up spending on his pet priorities”

This is based on what facts? The President wants to increase the income tax because lowering it failed miserably, and our country does not have enough income for the bills and programs (some of which are mandatory). That is not hard to comprehend. At least I don’t think so.

” Boehner has said the Republicans agreed to 800 billion in revenues
(presumedly from loophole closers).  Evidently that was not good enough
for Obama.”

This is not enough, and Rep Boehner knows that. Very, very well. So does anyone who knows even a little bit about economics.

Ahhh. Last time I checked the Constitution does not give the speaker of the House the same responsibilities as the executive branch.

After listening to the President’s press conference today, let’s keep in mind the following:This is the same president who proposed an absurdly irresponsible budget that would increase our debt by trillions of dollars, and whose party failed to even put forward a budget in over 800 days! This is the same president who is pushing our country to the brink because of his reckless spending on things like the nearly trillion dollar “stimulus” boondoggle. This is the same president who ignored his own debt commission’s recommendations and demonized the voices of fiscal sanity who proposed responsible plans to reform our entitlement programs and rein in our dangerous debt trajectory. This is the same president who wanted to push through an increase in the debt ceiling that didn’t include any cuts in government spending! This is the same president who wants to slam Americans with tax hikes to cover his reckless spending, but has threatened to veto a bill proposing a balanced budget amendment. This is the same president who hasn’t put forward a responsible plan himself, but has rejected reasonable proposals that would tackle our debt. This is the same president who still refuses to understand that the American electorate rejected his big government agenda last November. As I said in Madison, Wisconsin, at the Tax Day Tea Party rally, “We don’t want it. We can’t afford it. And we are unwilling to pay for it.”Now the President is outraged because the GOP House leadership called his bluff and ended discussions with him because they deemed him an obstruction to any real solution to the debt crisis.He has been deemed a lame duck president. And he is angry now because he is being treated as such.His foreign policy strategy has been described as “leading from behind.”Well, that’s his domestic policy strategy as well. Why should he be surprised that he’s been left behind in the negotiations when he’s been leading from behind on this debt crisis?Thank you, GOP House leaders. Please don’t get wobbly on us now.2012 can’t come soon enough.— Sarah Palin

After listening to the President’s press conference today, let’s keep in mind the following:This is the same president who proposed an absurdly irresponsible budget that would increase our debt by trillions of dollars, and whose party failed to even put forward a budget in over 800 days! This is the same president who is pushing our country to the brink because of his reckless spending on things like the nearly trillion dollar “stimulus” boondoggle. This is the same president who ignored his own debt commission’s recommendations and demonized the voices of fiscal sanity who proposed responsible plans to reform our entitlement programs and rein in our dangerous debt trajectory. This is the same president who wanted to push through an increase in the debt ceiling that didn’t include any cuts in government spending! This is the same president who wants to slam Americans with tax hikes to cover his reckless spending, but has threatened to veto a bill proposing a balanced budget amendment. This is the same president who hasn’t put forward a responsible plan himself, but has rejected reasonable proposals that would tackle our debt. This is the same president who still refuses to understand that the American electorate rejected his big government agenda last November. As I said in Madison, Wisconsin, at the Tax Day Tea Party rally, “We don’t want it. We can’t afford it. And we are unwilling to pay for it.”Now the President is outraged because the GOP House leadership called his bluff and ended discussions with him because they deemed him an obstruction to any real solution to the debt crisis.He has been deemed a lame duck president. And he is angry now because he is being treated as such.His foreign policy strategy has been described as “leading from behind.”Well, that’s his domestic policy strategy as well. Why should he be surprised that he’s been left behind in the negotiations when he’s been leading from behind on this debt crisis?Thank you, GOP House leaders. Please don’t get wobbly on us now.2012 can’t come soon enough.— Sarah Palin

I think that’s a Wednesday deadline to get around all the dumb Senate rules.

Just wait.  The Asian and European markets open long before Congress starts its session.

It is going to happen.

I think that’s a Wednesday deadline to get around all the dumb Senate rules.

Just wait.  The Asian and European markets open long before Congress starts its session.

It is going to happen.

Whack! LMFAO! “Lame duck Obama”. “Leading from behind”. Man it’s getting really hot in Washington right about now.

Yep. Cantor has cocky, arrogant jerk written all over his face.

They don’t have anything else.

And government is wiling to stop spending. The hang up is the taxes, not the willingness to cut spending.

My apologies for misreading and somehow having your role as the dad. You asked why I chose to refine the analogy. I did so because the original analogy held no consequences for you or your household, should you default on the debt. In your analogy you chose to cut off a spoiled brat that you weren’t legally obligated to support. All your really doing is cutting off a college kid with no real impact on your household. In my analogy you are all in the same boat together. It is a shared debt. If you don’t pay, the repo man cleans you out.   

“Raising the debt ceiling is a compromise.”

No, it’s not. It is Congress’s JOB to pay the bills that Congress has already approved of. They do not have the right to redo them, or not pay them. Period.

Why not invoke the 14th now, burn the Reichstag, no, um, er, I mean the ‘Capital’ and disband Congress. Have the Republicans arrested as enemies of the State, and seize total power?  

Wouldn’t that be ironic, sending Republican Politicos to Guantanamo Bay and releasing the terrorists?  Laugh, laugh,  what a hoot!   Umm Obama, umm umm!

That has been the plan all along hasn’t it, get around or rid of the pesky Constitution that was written by White Guys with slaves and Christians to boot!

Purveyor

Why not invoke the 14th now, burn the Reichstag, no, um, er, I mean the ‘Capital’ and disband Congress. Have the Republicans arrested as enemies of the State, and seize total power?  

Wouldn’t that be ironic, sending Republican Politicos to Guantanamo Bay and releasing the terrorists?  Laugh, laugh,  what a hoot!   Umm Obama, umm umm!

That has been the plan all along hasn’t it, get around or rid of the pesky Constitution that was written by White Guys with slaves and Christians to boot!

Purveyor

I happened to watch the press conference because my wife was playing “Angry Birds” and I am reading a book with really long chapters and did not want to start one before dinner.

He said that the details of the negotiations would be released to the press.  Why did Boehner wait until after the markets closed to release his letter?

Calling out either side at this point is silly.

I happened to watch the press conference because my wife was playing “Angry Birds” and I am reading a book with really long chapters and did not want to start one before dinner.

He said that the details of the negotiations would be released to the press.  Why did Boehner wait until after the markets closed to release his letter?

Calling out either side at this point is silly.

Greg spelled backwards is “Gerg”  

 I am Gerg, of Golak, I come seeking peace.  Wink wink. 

Secretary Geithner just gave them another 8 days. He says he found another $50 billion tucked in the couch cushions-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/22/debt-ceiling-august-10_n_907480.html

I wonder if I can rummage around that couch? The Republicans may be using the delay ploy. Since the Democrats and Geithner were saying that Armegeddon would happen if they did not do it before August 2, the Republicans are calling the bluff.

Geithner just gave Obama wiggle room to go past the date.

GET YOUR HOT BUTTERED POPCORN!

I am going to be gone for about a week on another contract. Looks like I might be back in the game, finally! That way all this webmaster stuff can become secondary again.

You are correct. They tried this crap on Obama during the Presidential campaign and we told these idiot’s then that this is not clear thinking.

But I guess this is all they have.

I think the profit from bonds is a tricky scenario. IMO, the bond market is becoming a razors edge, unless you are a snail, it could cut. Austrian vs Keynesian argument there on capital reinvestment.

I am sure you know my position on that.

I think, Speaker Boehner was referring to the debt crisis and the responsibility of himself as Speaker, and Obama as the President, to solve such.

If, one was to read some humor into that statement, OK fine.  However, you and many others are not attempting to be funny.  Rather, at least on this thread, are being a bit “anal retentive?”

I got Boehner’s meaning immediately, just as I did Alexander Haig’s.  I was pleased and somewhat relieved by their concern.  Then again, I am a reasonable man.

Purveyor

I am going to miss the political theater this coming week, out on the road.

Sarah just knows how to tweak ol Obama.

I hear Geithner found $50 or so billion in the Treasury Dept couch, so he can stretch it to August 10th now.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/07/22/geithner-moves-the-goalposts-treasury-says-august-10th-might-be-the-drop-dead-date-not-august-2nd/

I guess Obama needed something to back his bluff play.

Thanks John, you were a diehard Democrat weren’t you?

I understand a contract just fine. The argument is not about the contract but about how to pay the bill and how much to raise the limit and how much to cut the spending. Your right about the fair tax proposition it will never pass because too many rich people own Washington. Both R and D. But I also mentioned simplified tax code. But that won’t happen either.

“You DO NOT improve an economy by shipping jobs to China by shutting down our energy industry.”

So, talk to the company’s that did so. You seem to be indicating that the US forced them to. We didn’t . At all.

“You DO NOT improve an economy by deficit spending.”

Actually, you can. We did it in the 1930′s until the GOP, once again, forced spending down again.

Are you aware that people who are working pay income taxes, as well as other taxes that are part of our everyday lives? Are you aware that people who are not working, do not?

FDR helped organize programs that put people to work and created the infrastructure that we have today. That was 75 years ago, and it worked. As did Social Security (if it hadn’t have worked the Government would not have been able to borrow over $2 Trillion from it).

When a department, or programs, budget is cut what happens? They lay people off in order to work within that budget. Which means more people out of work. Which means less income that the Government has to spend on things like getting rid of illegal aliens and making sure that our Federal Roads and bridges do not fail during commuter traffic. It, also, means that the programs that care for the aged and disabled are functioning.

BTW, the Social Security program is not part of the general fund, which means that it should not be dealt with here. It is, also, one of the MANDATORY expenses that this country has.

“There was blood on the saddle, blood all around
And a great big puddle of blood on the ground

The cowboy lay in it, all covered with gore
He’ll never ride tall in the saddle no more

Oh pity the cowboy, all bloody and dead
A bronco fell on him and mashed his head”

Purveyor

You stupid ass. They BOTH swear fidelity to the Constitution.  Boehner was obviously referring to his and the Presidents responsibility to the economic security of our Nation, you insufferable dolt!

Don’t tell me you were trying to funny either.  You are a Liberal, you are genetically pre-disposed to not be funny. 

However, I do like your name, a bit cryptic but clever.  Definitely NOT funny, though… 

I agree with not handing their power to the President. In fact, I highly doubt that they can legally do it.

But then, the GOP are not worried about the Constitution, or what is legal or not. If they were, there would be none of this crap about will we or won’t we raise the debt ceiling. Because, according to the US Constitution (14th Amendment, Section 4) and the US Supreme Court (as quoted from Perry vs United States) -

“In authorizing the Congress to borrow money, the Constitution empowers
the Congress to fix the amount to be borrowed and the terms of payment.
By virtue of the power to borrow money ‘on the credit of the United
States,’ the Congress is authorized to pledge that credit as an
assurance of payment as stipulated, as the highest assurance the
government can give, its plighted faith. To say that the Congress may
withdraw or ignore that pledge is to assume that the Constitution
contemplates a vain promise; a pledge having no other sanction than the
pleasure and convenience of the pledgor. This Court has given no
sanction to such a conception of the obligations of our government.”

Why would you believe anything that Breitbart has to say. It has been proven, repeatedly, that he lies, manipulates video to make it seem that people are advocating something that they are not, and will go to any length to avoid telling the truth. WHY would you believe what the has to say with any issue?

Why would you believe anything that Breitbart has to say. It has been proven, repeatedly, that he lies, manipulates video to make it seem that people are advocating something that they are not, and will go to any length to avoid telling the truth. WHY would you believe what the has to say with any issue?

Do you actually have facts to back up your contentions?

Do you actually have facts to back up your contentions?

It is a video of OBAMA at HIS press conference. It has NOTHING but a short description of the video. Would you like a different source for the video?
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/when-you-go-write-your-stories-obama-calls-out-wh-press-corps

Here you go.
Now go away.

It is a video of OBAMA at HIS press conference. It has NOTHING but a short description of the video. Would you like a different source for the video?
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/when-you-go-write-your-stories-obama-calls-out-wh-press-corps

Here you go.
Now go away.

“Consequence of 2010 elections is for GOP to demand limited government and low taxes.”

The fact is that they were given back power in the House. And ONLY the House. Because that was where the shortest terms were (2 years). We did that because if they showed that they had no intention of doing anything to help this country, only themselves and their party, as happened before, they could be voted back out of power in the shortest amount of time. They were voted out of power because of this, after being repeatedly warned to start listening to all the people they work for, not just the ones they agreed with.

The ONLY mandate in the 2010 elections was that both houses were supposed to work together. Threatening “my way and nothing else” is NOT working together. What’s more, they are deliberately refusing to do their job. If they do not stop obstructing they will be voted our again next year. Period.

Right.

Lets see – Civil Rights Attorney, Constitutional Law Professor, Community Organizer, Educational board member, Best Selling Author, graduated Magna cum Laude from Harvard with a J.D.

Those are ALL real jobs. Every single one of them. Do your really think that because you don’t LIKE him that is changes, or negates, what he has done? That is not reality, that is delusional thinking.

BTW, YouTube is not a news source.

“So, talk to the company’s that did so.”
Heck, Obama has one running the economy team, from GE. One of the biggest exporters of jobs to China. Also gave GE huge tax breaks to do so. Also used Stimulus funds to export jobs. Also shutting down our energy industry to send jobs to China. Heck, I think Obama did become part of the China government like he wanted.

“Actually, you can. We did it in the 1930′s until the GOP, once again, forced spending down again.”

Yeah, what economic course taught you the New Deal got us out of the depression, let me guess, macroeconomics 101 in some ditsy college. By the way, supplying jobs by government work, is a net LOSS to the economy.

“Are you aware that people who are working pay income taxes, as well as
other taxes that are part of our everyday lives? Are you aware that
people who are not working, do not?”

Another ditsy macroeconomics 101 spiel of Keynsians. Heck, if government jobs are a net win, why not have everyone work for the government? Why not just print up a billion dollars for everyone?

“BTW, the Social Security program is not part of the general fund, which
means that it should not be dealt with here. It is, also, one of the
MANDATORY expenses that this country has.”

Maybe you should tell that to LBJ, the first one to raid the SS coffers. By the way, there is NO SS TRUST FUND. It does NOT EXIST. Those IOUs are worthless. If they were not, the government would have no problem paying those SS checks that Obama said he did not know if he could send out.

Sorry, the ONE has destroyed that cognitive dissonant belief. Did you not get the memo?

Yes, I agree there are mandatory debts that have to be paid. National Debt interest. Medicare. SS and military pay and retirement.

EVERYTHING else is not mandatory. That $700 million they gave Egypt to rebuild Mosques I would say is just UNLAWFUL amongst 50% of what the Federal government spends.

Now if you are just going to bring your cookie cutter DNC talking points, you should probably not engage me. I am sure you can find some pseudo intellectual over at the Daily Kos or Media Matters to discuss your echo chamber talking points with.

My role was neither the Dad, Mom or child. As far as I am concerned they are all to blame. The Dad is the first to wake up to reality. He didn’t cut the kid off but demanded the kid live within his budget. I did not ask why you refined my analogy but for you to clarify because you made a great analogy but didn’t make a point. In my analogy I never said nor meant to imply the parents didn’t intend to pay the debt. If I understand you your point is that we must now apply for the loan (raise the limit) then deal with the budget. The reason I made it about a kid and not the whole family is because when it is your (the whole family) responsibility you will go back and address the budget but in this case government has proven they will take advantage as long as they can and not go back and address it. If they can keep spending what they want they will, the kid analogy addresses the disconnect between the people and Washington. It addresses an out of control kid (government, both parties). While the first priority is to pay the legally binding debts it is not always prudent to do so until the i’s are dotted and the t’s are crossed on the loan contract defining how we intend to deal with the family and pay off the loan. Difference between us is you trust the government to go back and make the cuts and I don’t. I want it addressed up front. Your analogy is lacking in that it makes Washington the Dad while I make Washington the spoiled kid. My analogy is lacking because it wasn’t clear on the shared debt of the family and doesn’t address the complicated relationship where assigning the role of Dad can be construed either as the citizen or the government. The truth lies in an amalgamation of both analogies. The goal of both parties is to pay the bills and cut the spending. The problem is they don’t agree on how to do it.

 I agree purveyor probably what he meant but didn’t come off that way to me

Gee, good attempt to deflect. Sorry you had nothing to add. I never said the finance of government was as simple as a household budget but only that they are basiclly the same. The fact that one is much larger and more complicated doesn’t change the basic rules of finance. Also we aren’t talking about the behavior of the economy but the current balancing of the checkbook of the country. A good study of macroeconomics will help Washington determine how to deal with the spending, cuts and limits. Also it will help a smart student to find innovative ways to create revenue without raising taxes but doesn’t change the basic rules of supply and demand, revenue and taxes. The basic rules still apply.     

Obama is turning the USA into junk bonds.

Yes, he did. He just kept it off the official budget, so it wasn’t counted.

lol  What an ignorant question. It’s you idiot’s who are talking about billionaires and then equating it to someone having a net income of $200,000.

You’re so boring……especially with the name of ‘dick cheese’…..can you really expect to be taken seriously?

Just go back to your closet and pray……much simpler.

The 40+ year Democrat who voted for Kerry but couldn’t vote for Obama because he was black…..Please do yourself a favor and just shut up……..

“you homeschooled idiots aint worth a damn”

This was wrong. There are a LOT of home schooled kids who are extremely intelligent.

When anyone reads anything from ‘oxycon’, realize he is a 40+ year Democrat who voted for Kerry but couldn’t vote for Obama because he was black.

Please feel free to ask him about this. He has not problem with it whatsoever.

When anyone reads anything from ‘oxycon’, realize he is a 40+ year Democrat who voted for Kerry but couldn’t vote for Obama because he was black.

Please feel free to ask him about this. He has not problem with it whatsoever.

NO.  Those are NOT real Jobs in the same sense as the ship builders, engineers, carpenters,retirees and waitresses at he Waffle House I have Breakfast at in Southern Mississippi, every morning.

Obama has not held JOBS, so much as Had TITLES.

Obamas behavior and demeanor supports this assertion, and most competent psychologists would agree. 

Purveyor

Remember this post!!!!!!

The Republicans will NEVER let the let the USA default. 

The Republicans are bought and paid for by the Corportocracy that America has become.

There isn’t a chance in HELL that they will let their bosses down.

Keep voting for the people that own you Righties.

Haha, the little pussy Grafxfail is back on Mediaite libeling people he doesn’t even know. Man how I wish you were right here beside me trying that shit, because no doubt you’d be drenched in your own urine, scared shitless.
Anyway, glad to know I pissed you off so much you felt as though you had a need to stalk me again and call me a racist in your typical, cowardly way. Typical leftist pussy.

“Now if you are just going to bring your cookie cutter DNC talking points, you should probably not engage me”

lol I can engage anyone that I want. And the only things that YOU have been saying is “did not”.

“I am sure you can find some pseudo intellectual over at the Daily Kos or
Media Matters to discuss your echo chamber talking points with.”

Possibly, but I don’t go to either site. Nor do I watch TV or listen to the radio.

“EVERYTHING else is not mandatory.”

If Congress passed the bills, they are mandatory. They cannot be changed or not paid.

Look, it’s obvious that you have learned some words to throw around. But you have shown, in this post alone, that you know nothing about economics. Nothing. And that you know nothing about history. Or you would know that it worked, and that you are wrong.

You are listening to people who are lying to you. If you actually want to deal with facts, you need to change where you are getting your information. I prefer actual facts, and actual history. You, evidently, do not.

“There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold

The arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold”

Now Sam McGee was from Tennessee
Where the cotton blooms and blows

Why he left his home in the south
To roam round the pole, God only knows…”

Also, I just did a search for the guy that wrote that blog entry, not much info on him. Anyway, not discrediting by attacking the source, I attacked the components originally but I like to know who is giving me economic info.

Funny how Mediaite’s moderators take down my reply to this libel instantly. Yet they allow the libelous comment to stay. I guess I’m going to have to seek a remedy in other ways to put an end to the libelous comments that Mediaite allows.

Are you truly this ignorant? To believe that only “blue collar” workers have real jobs??? You, quite obviously, have no idea what those “white collar” jobs entail. Those jobs are just as “real” as the physical jobs. What facts would lead you to believe otherwise???

Do you truly have no idea the extreme hours that being an attorney takes?? Do you realize the effort to teach? Or write a book? Do you even know what a community organizer DOES? Or the amount of hours it takes???

Grow up. There are more jobs in this world than those that work with their hands. And pretending that the people who don’t work with their hands are worth less, and don’t have real jobs, is nothing more than deliberate ignorance.

Apparently, you missed my point, THE point. (note: I did include Engineers in my list of examples so as to cover the white collar workers. Also, I added an “etc.” for good measure) Anyway, back to my point: The part about Obama holding titles, not jobs… LOL Are you going to call me “ignorant” again? Are you going to tell me to “grow up”? Ouch, LOL

Note: my use of the phrases “stupid ass” and “insufferable dolt” should not be construed as ad hominem.  Rather, as a clinically objective observation.

Anyone who knows me, know I seldom use profanity, if ever.  Ouch!

Purveyor

Please list all the civil rights cases Obama worked on and how many months he actually worked on them. He was never a law professor, but a guest lecturer. Community organizer? Community agitator was more like it, training ACORN volunteers. Educational board member? That’s a full time job? lol, please. You do know who else was on that board, right? Obama’s terrorist friend Bill Ayers. Thanks for playing!

Fact: No lets vote in democrats that put us in this mess because they want to change us into a country like Greece. moron.

Fact: Libs that’s presidential stuff right there!

Fact: That is the republican morals kicking in. We all know that the libs need a blow horn in the ear sometimes so that they can’t say that they didn’t hear it that way!

Fact: Funny that no one ever remembers him at any of the schools he said he attended. Not a classmate one. Strange he is a stealth expert like hung kung phooey.

Fact: I agree with your ramblings not her drival.

Fact: Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xscuS9H8U

Fact: You never do!

Fact: What you wanted him to have a rebuttal before
the market day ended and as soon as he talked the market goes down then the
liberal press like MSMBC,CBS,ABC,NBC,TNT,BBC,PBS would all say the public
didn’t like what Boehner said alone and didn’t have to do with the goal post
change of more tax the small companies an extra 400 billion till 2012. Goofy
guy wake up.

Fact: Still on the Kool-aid clouds the marbles right?

Fact: he is telling you that Obama is still stuck on stupid and that he will not get off the backs of small companies so they will never start to get new employees jobs.

Fact: So that allows him to use what comes in as revenue
only to pay debt. So what.

Fact:Again no more debt needed to pay bills owed. Moron.

Fact: You are a hack. That’s what the GOP told Obama that he had to pay debt first and then SS for the retired second.

Fact: You are a hack. That’s what the GOP told Obama that he had to pay debt first and then SS for the retired second.

“ Lower taxes on wealthy individuals and corporations have failed, spectacularly, to create jobs, but have been very successful at exploding the national debt.”……………REALLY MEDIAITE ???  

would you care to cite some statistics to back that up??  You can’t;  lower marginal tax rates HAVE ALWAYS spurred job growth  (Kennedy,  Reagan, GWB tax cuts all did )  and lower marginal tax rates RAISE TAX REVENUE from previous levels because economic activity skyrockets. 

duh.  More Leftist dribble from Abrams & Co.  

Step one is raising the debt limit. That’s how we avoid default. Although we need to do both, they do not have to be conditional

Duringf the Bush years (the last two anyway) it was always Bush’s fault desite the fact that congress holds the purse strings, congress was held by democrats, and congress screwed the pooch and messed up this ecoomy…but it was Bush’s fault (still is in the mind of liberal idiot dems).

Now, it is Boehner’s fault, this media refuses to holdObama responsible for anything, and thisarticle is a prime example of that.  TC takes obama’s side, of course, we wouldn’t expect a member of the WHPC to actually question this president’s actions….oh noes, he is the  White House Press Corps(e) GOD.

Someday you will be sorry for abdicating your responsibilities, but then it will be too late.  Sorry TC, but as I have said before, you are smarter than you express here on this board, because I beleive you are afraid to step away from the liberal mind meld of the WHPC.  How sad that you are so willing to throw your own profession under the bus and become a whore (word approved by NOW and the ladies of the view) for hehimself.

Obama is the liar here, that is evident.  he does NOT want a solution to this problem as is clear to anyone who watches what he says. 

For shame you refuse to see it.

Boehner wanted the nation to know  that he was equal in status to the President. When you have that type of power there is no need to return the President’s calls, just walk out and find a forest to stare at. The most important matter in the debt ceiling negotiations is the Bush Tax Bribe that was used for ransom in the fall in lieu of Unemployment Benefits.  There has to be something illegal about it for the GOP to be tripping all over themselves to save it.

Perhaps he just woke up and realized that Democratic politicians were no longer the same as the old Dems. Old dems (i.e. JFK) would be repubs today!

If it wasn’t counted how do you know how much it is and that it actually exists?

Sure, because ghetto always in a positive term associated with African Americans, right…….give me a break.

i hear you…. with 10% unemployment, higher in most republican ran states, and record low taxes NOW, i want to ask speaker boner where the hell is all these jobs that are being created.  im looking for that benevolence!

You got that right. The hate has nothing to do with Obama’s policies. These fools don’t even know what they are.

Obama doesn’t even know what they are, which is the problem. As the CBO said “We don’t estimate speeches.”

Obama: The Man With No Plan.

see republicans, better get you boy Pablo. he is exposing the demeaning and demoralizing intents of racist base.  got to educate them on how to properly conduct themselves in an educated conversation “without playing your hand”…..

Budgets aren’t deficits, sweetie. Deficits are the difference between the cash that goes out and the cash that comes in.

No, dear. The debt ceiling is about borrowing money, which is creating bills, not paying them.

Nor does Obama.

Righto. Then how come nobody cared until Obama was elected?

Who says nobody cared? I recall plenty of complaining. In fact, I recall one guy saying this:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit
is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government
can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing
financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s
reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us
domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops
here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today
onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt
problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

Remember him? As for those who weren’t complaining then, trillion dollar deficits have a way of clarifying the mind and focusing one on the problem.

POA is really only familiar with bodega based credit programs, backed by the full faith and credit of Electronic Benefits Transfer.

Borrowing money does not equal paying the bills.

Addressing the deficit is done in the budget

What budget? We haven’t passed one in over 800 days.

No we avoid default by servicing the debt, not by increasing it.

We’re already having the debate over FY2012. How’s Obama’s budget doing? How’s the Ryan plan doing?

Furthermore, that could be my last name and that I come from a long line of proud and productive “Schmegmites!”

Obama is a stupid, lazy, incompetent, dishonest, petulant little child.

Well written Tina 

The President’s news conference showed us how to burn the very bridge one has to walk over.  This President, as some on the left is now finding out is incapable of running anything…especially a country.  But hey…he woudl be a great community organizer…this is how they conduct their business.
 
I have never watch a more pitiful news conference then the one Obama conducted yesterday.

As far as this article supporting the President…like what has been revealed about MSNBC selling their soul for access…articles like this keeps access open.
 

It’s called a space bar and it’s your friend.

“On the road!”  What will we do without our compatriot?

Maybe you should get one of those ‘Red State–Blue State’ bumper sticker kits?  (no such thing, but not a bad idea)

During the American Revolution, Travelers would enter a roadhouse and order up an ale, then propose a Toast to King.  If he got beat up, or, a pleasant “to the king, here here” was how the Traveler determined the loyalties of the citizenry.  Ouch!

God Speed…

Purveyor

That was fabulous!  Brownspot doesn’t think much does he?

To be honest, I have no idea what will actually happen if the debt limit is not increased. Maybe it’s all smoke and mirrors. I’m thinking most of the folks in DC don’t know either, but they seem concerned about the possibility of a serious negative impact on an already weak economy and don’t want to take the chance.
I completely agree that we need to deal with the debt and the increasing spending deficit. Where I disagree is the idea of not increasing revenue through taxes. In a sense of shared sacrifice during hard times, it doesn’t make any sense to me to not expect those that have the most to kick in a little more.

“Terri Geer?”  Hmm.  Could be coincidence, maybe not,but I used to know a pair of sisters from Wisconsin.

Lived in a small city on the edge of Lake Winnebago?  Their father used preying Mantis in his garden to control insects.  Noo, couldn’t be, never mind.

Honestly, I hear the words, and I listened to Bill Clinton on it and still don’t quite understand.

It sounds like it’s charging things that you know will take you over your limit, and then trying to increase the limit before they actually hit so you won’t default. Is that about right?
And essentially the  GOP played it’s role in charging those things , and now is using the threat of default to leverage spending, even though the default threatens them as much as anyone.

Am I close?

Excellent points.  

Question, rhetorical:  When people send you, or, simply write Posts, do you think about them? (I know some are too ridiculous, but…)Sometimes wisdom pops up in curious places, even from a Liberal.  However, It is frustrating in that the Liberals, (not just found in Mediaite) tend only to form a retort, not a cogent response.  I am looking for that piece of wisdom or knowledge that saves the day, so to speak.Anyway, a moment of weakness and concern for my Country.Purveyor

Excellent points.  

Question, rhetorical:  When people send you, or, simply write Posts, do you think about them? (I know some are too ridiculous, but…)Sometimes wisdom pops up in curious places, even from a Liberal.  However, It is frustrating in that the Liberals, (not just found in Mediaite) tend only to form a retort, not a cogent response.  I am looking for that piece of wisdom or knowledge that saves the day, so to speak.Anyway, a moment of weakness and concern for my Country.Purveyor

Excellent points.  

Question, rhetorical:  When people send you, or, simply write Posts, do you think about them? (I know some are too ridiculous, but…)Sometimes wisdom pops up in curious places, even from a Liberal.  However, It is frustrating in that the Liberals, (not just found in Mediaite) tend only to form a retort, not a cogent response.  I am looking for that piece of wisdom or knowledge that saves the day, so to speak.Anyway, a moment of weakness and concern for my Country.Purveyor

really?  do tell….

No sweets – it’s not “us” idiots talking about billionaires – that’s one of your talking points (how soon you forget).  You guys keep spewing the “millionaires and billionaires” nonsense.

We are just pointing out that Obama has lumped people from $200,000 ($250,000 other times) in with millionaires and billionaires.  

That’s who he wants to raise taxes on.

Remember he’s the “shovel ready” guy that cost us a pretty penny and then laughed about guessing there really weren’t any shovel ready jobs (which the Republicans pointed out at the time), but between the media and the democrats nobody would listen.  At the time it was the old “how dare they” rain on our parade.  Well, the parade was rained out and the money was spent (on signage mainly) and you think this Pres. has any plan?  None – he just knows that he can’t acquiesce to any plan from the Republicans because then he is really toast.

It’s all a Political game and you think he cares about you me or Jim next door?  Not a freaking chance – he cares about being re-elected (and not for doing a good job).  He can’t possibly stand on his record because that’s worse than bad – it’s non existent.

Yes Phillip we are stupid and you are brilliant.  How many “misstatements” did you type in your post? lol

I could not agree with you more, Agent Orange. Follow your oath and I hope Obama follows his. So there will not be enough money to go around and President Obama must make a decision on who to pay and not to pay. He can begin with not paying any member of Congress and their staffs who voted for a budget which was not balanced and then voted not to borrow to pay these obligations. I hope he also stops paying on their health insurance which we pay as well.

Uhmmmm snowy – this site doesn’t claim to be fair and balanced nor are they.  Every single writer is left wing and they don’t hide it.  So, perhaps you want to rethink your “brilliant statement”?  Or….maybe not.

That was funny – so you admit that the Pres has shirked his responsibilities.  Thanks 

they could use it as a door stop.

You believe what you wrote?  Did you look at what Boehner was talking about or did you immediately jump on the band wagon?  Landed on the old noggin? lol

So because he’s useless and happens to be black nobody is allowed to point out that he is useless because he happens to be black?  Is that your logic?

It’s simple.  Stop creating programs (like Obamacare) that cannot be paid for, reform or ditch programs that already exist to stop the financial hemorrhage.  Stop racking debt and live within your means.

Yes, pay our bills but stop acting like every expenditure is necessary or appropriate, democrats.  They are not. 
It’s like my teenager went hogwild with the credit card and then yells at me to pay the bills…but doesn’t want to give the credit card back.  Can’t have it both ways, sweetums. If you want the American people to pay off this ridiculous debt, you can’t keep going to the mall.

Cut up the credit cards, trim the budget, pay our bills. Go forth and be more financially responsible and cognizent that it’s the American people who have to foot the bill while you want to party in utopia.  Bottomline, we cannot finance all of your ‘good ideas’.  Either get your own financing or drop the ideas.  Regardless, my wallet isn’t your playground.  Get a job.  Seriously.

There IS a limit to what we can do, especially in this economy.  It’s time for our President, Congress and the people to grow up and enter adulthood. A place where you have to work to achieve and obtain the things that you want.  Where you live under a budget, you respect finances, and you work to grow your money for your future, instead of being childlike and tantruming over what toy you want NOW.

No snark, just the truth.  There are an incredibly large number of children walking around in adult bodies who wouldn’t understand the concept of a realistic budget if it bit them on the arse.  And your political leanings or desires of how you’d like the world to be have nothing to do with the reality on the ground.  We DO have limits and it’s time to inact them.  Time for balanced budgets, severe cutbacks and taking the pain that one goes through when you’ve overextended yourself.

Yammer all that you want about who did it and how the world ‘should’ be and it’s all irrelevant.  What truly matters is what we do about it.  You can kick that can down the road but inevitably, we’re screwed unless the brakes are put on EVERYTHING.  14 trillion dollars and counting.  Whine, bitch, moan, gripe, blame and spew and we’re still in debt, and still cannot afford to pay off the mountain of debt that we’ve made, let alone the mountains that will be created tomorrow if the current spending patterns continue.

Taxes are not enough, spending cuts must occur.  Perhaps if EVERYONE had to pay something, instead of half of us paying literally nothing, that would make a difference.  Perhaps if we cut unnecessary, non-critical programs, we could slow the debt.  I believe it’s going to take ALL of that.

So wake up, it’s not just going to be your opposition’s pain that is going to solve these problems, we’re all going to have to eat some nasty pie.  If you think that only ‘they’ will have to suffer, then you’re delusional.

We need people in office who will go deaf to the lure of lobbyists and screaming babies who want checks.  Who will make the tough decisions, vote for tough bills and get on with the business of fixing this mess.  For as long as it’s business as usual, nothing will happpen.

Eventually we will go bankrupt and then it ALL will crumble.  Idiots will stand around and blame and the grownups will have to fix things.  It would be preferable to do it now, while we still have the ability to choose what gets trimmed, versus financial insolvency, where the choice has been taken away and everything goes down the tubes.

You’re a sick pathetic human.  The right doesn’t agree with you so we are unstable.  We are unhinged, we are violent, we are disgusting sewage.  

What a fine God fearing person you really are.

You should be ashamed of yourself.  I don’t agree with your political viewpoint and I haven’t branded you as anything but a democrat.  That’s the difference between us.  You have to turn us into vile humans, we just refer to you as “democrats”.  

Time to grow up and start acting and talking like an adult there.  I have stated that Obama has done more dividing than any President and you are a “talking” example of that.

Absolutely vile post you wrote there junior.

Every revolution has an event, a moment that allows for the evolving political discourse to become a revolution, or not.  (is the debt dilemma ours?)  Lenin waited patiently in France for events in his homeland to create such an opportunity.  

I have concluded the current state of affairs has been in the making since Obama was born too Socialist Parents.  We now have a “subversive” revolutionary in the White House manipulating events so as to eliminate our Constitution and National Philosophy, thus seize power completely.I believe Mao once said that:  ”the revolutionary is like a fish who swims in the sea and the school.” (paraphrased)  Certainly Obama has stood out, however, he did swim in a “school” of thought.Purveyor 

the race card is done – out of the deck.  Now, focus on job performance.

Jay – this comment was for Phillip – the one who didn’t get the memo about the race card being used up.

Another Constitution Republican who doesn’t know his Constitution!

Let me clue readers into one unchangeable fact about businesses everywhere.   All taxes and all increases in costs that businesses bear are passed onto consumers with higher prices.  Higher taxes=higher taxes.  Go shopping, and you’ll see.  Lots of food raw materials like grain have shot up (inflation) and so food prices shoot up.   No business EVER chooses to make less money.  They raise prices. If they didn’t, they’d have to fire people. 

You can agree with Obama that hiking taxes is a good idea.  But don’t whine when prices are higher for everything.  

Seek123, looks like I hit a little too close to home for you, didn’t I? The truth hurts, but not as much as you crazed right-wingers do when you go ballistic. Thank goodness the only thing you have is your computer to take your rage out on. It’s better than taking it out on people. BTW, here’s some information on the latest right-winger that ran amok murdering at least EIGHTY CHILDREN in Norway yesterday:

STOCKHOLM (AP) — The 32-year-old suspected of massacring at least 80 young people at a summer camp and setting off a bomb in downtown Oslo that killed at least seven is a mystery to investigators: a ****right-winger with anti-Muslim views**** but no known links to hardcore extremists.

“He just came out of nowhere,” a police official told The Associated Press.

Public broadcaster NRK and several other Norwegian media identified the suspected attacker as Anders Behring Breivik, a blond and blue-eyed Norwegian who ****expressed right-wing and anti-Muslim views on the Internet****. Police have the suspect in custody.

So yes, it’s good you right-wing, violent, extremist, delusional @holes have the Internet to vent your filth. But then again, so didn’t the Norway killer. That’s why society needs to keep an eye on your kind, marginalize you, and move forward and work to make America a better place.

The man really does think he’s some kind of co-president. But I can’t blame him. He’s under enormous stress with the Tea Baggers screaming at him and Eric Cantor ready to jab a knife in his back. And hitting the sauce doesn’t help, either.

Are you one of those long haul truckers who serial murders prostitutes hustling at truck stops? It would fill in the missing piece of the puzzle about you, DavidKramer. Nothing to do all day and night long but listen to hate radio and murder prostitutes.

Are you one of those long haul truckers who serial murders prostitutes hustling at truck stops? It would fill in the missing piece of the puzzle about you, DavidKramer. Nothing to do all day and night long but listen to hate radio and murder prostitutes.

I agree, you should move to California or New York or New Jersey or Illinois or Michigan. They’ve got their shit together way more than those damn ‘publican states. Oh wait, you’re a lying dumbass.

pablo, you may as well stop trying, youre far to dumb and stupid to debate with me, lets explore some undisputable facts here….you say bush never had a trillion dollar deficit huh???…really???…lets bet your life on that wingnut….bet you wont….hehehehehe..lets look at the numbers : 2008 budget – 455 billion dollar deficit / 2009 (bushes last budget) 1.4 TRILLION Dollar deficit (whoaaaaaaa)///  2010 budget (Obamas 1st budget) – 1.2 trillion dollar deficit (did you notice that Obamas 1st deficit is smaller than Bushes last one???) uh oh that stings and 2011 budget – 1.6 trillion dollar deficit…I know idiots like you like to hand Bushes bullshit off to Obama but that dog dont hunt here…..stupid asswingnuts like you FOX NOISE brainwashed pieces of shit make me sick….you wonder why republicans run to the Fox Studios all the time????…cause nobody there will challenge them on their lying…..but dipshits like you come on the internet and take ass kicking for repeating the bullshit you hear there….THEY DONT MAKE MUCH DUMBER THAN YOU DO THEY???……..OH, YOU BETTER RUN OUT AND BUY YOUR FERTILIZER AND AMMO, THE RIGHT WING AL QUEDA STYLE  KILLING SPREE IS IN FULL EFFECT….DONT WANT YOU TO MISS OUT ON ALL THE FUN…….LOLOLOLOLOLOL DUMB DIPSHIT

Cincy is a stupid, lazy, incompetent, dishonest, petulent little child. 

my guess is dealing with a bowl of Jell-o is a little more pleasent than the bowl Obama has to deal with, thats a bowl of shit

sigh thats brillant lane1 where did you get that from? So under your premise during the reagan and clinton years when taxes were higher prices on everything were higher.

 where do you guys get this? Bush had huge tax cuts how many jobs were created? we’ve lost millions of jobs. Now you want to cut more taxes? This is insane no wonder we don’t get anything done.

Tommy is smoking crack again.

Oh, Tommy, don’t be an idiot.  The Congressional Oath, just like the Presidential Oath, requires swearing “to the best of my ability, [to] preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

You Tax and Spend people still dont get it.   You could demand a trillion in new taxes and you would soon see a drop in revenue that would scare the hell out of you.  This country is going down the tubes for two reasons:  1. Obama spent us into oblivion.  2.  There are no jobs.   We dont need tax rate increases, we need more tax payers and less unemployment checks.   You raise taxes on the ( RICH ) as you fools call them and you will see more loss of jobs.  THAT =  less tax payers =  more unemployment and welfare checks.  Has anyone told you how much revenue they feel they can steal from increasing tax on the JOB makers?   Not much.   Has anyone told you how much revenue they will get from putting 14 million people back to work and paying taxes,  no longer cashing unemployment and welfare checks?  Its a no brainer and the only way to kill that possibility is to raise the taxes on the job creaters. 

Then you need to think harder.  For most of us, its very simple.  He is what he is.

Now thats funny.  You really expect the people who do hire people, ( we call those job creators ) to hire now that Obama is threatening to raise their taxes?   When Obama stops throwing good money at bad money and gets off the backs of the very people who can create jobs, they will begin to hire.  NOT UNTIL.  Why is that so hard to figure?

A corporation is nothing more than a piece of paper, filed by a lawyer at one of the 50 Secretary of States office.

That piece of paper only names abusiness.

Every business in American needs to make a profit.
When taxes are raised on any business, whether it be a sole proprioritor, partnership, or a corportation, they will absorb some, but then prices will be adjusted to insure they are profitable.

So yes insideguy, prices go higher when the govenment increases taxes on corportations, whether it is a Democrate or Republican in office. 

There is an exception…that is when government subsidies are involved in keeping the business afloat.  If the govenment will give them larger subsidies, then there is no need to increase prices.  (This is how the “Green Energy” companies stay afloat.  Their business model would not work without massisve govenment subsidies.

Uh, no you don’t, Boner.  Millions and millions of ppl voted for our PRESIDENT; you squeaked by with a few thousands of votes and you think you’re our President’s equal? GET A GRIP.  Show some freaking respect, you weasel.

The speaker just reminded the President that the Pres is not the only guy in town who has responsibilities, and so far is keeping them.   Obama gave up on his 2.5 years ago.  This idiot writer obviously not understanding such things as honor and responsibility shot his mouth off to score points with the loosing Liberals.  Here’s a clue for you.   Despite the ridiculous claims of the Left being the only educated in this Country, and if they were,  what a total waste in that they cant grasp simple ideas and facts.

Talking is nothing, and the past 2.5 years should be proof of that.   Stick around and in 2012 you will be able to SEE what they can and will do.  Right now there is a giant road block in the way to any change that will save this country and as soon as Obama and his gang leave town it will be handled. 

Prove it.

Who are you referring too, Boehner?  He simply accepted the responsibility of his position and Office in the negotiations.  That is admirable, how on earth could you misconstrue such?

Boehner, and other elected officials swear fidelity to the Constitution.  Boehner said he shares that responsibility with the President within the parameters of the dilemma at hand.  To what need or end would you and others distort Boehner’s honorable commitment to protect America, from “all enemies, foreign and domestic?”

I suspect you are of the plurality which desires America’s political failure, not a viable solution which protects and benefits our nation.  Shame on you!

Purveyor

Boy did I miss something?   Didnt Obama steal 500 billion from SS just recently?   For the record, I had no choice but to participate in SS.  And for the record,  the Republicans do not plan to kill it.  They do probably need to tweek it a bit just as they do every program.  Would take a lot less tweeking if Obama handnt stolen that 500 Billion.  

Yea, but it was his bowl.   You dont like dealing with that,  dont fill your bowl with it.  The jello thing is Obama dead to rights.   He looked like he was getting somewhere with one number so he said wait a min,  maybe I should double that.   Stupid.   Yep just a bowl of jello.   Lemon Yellow Jello

The ProObamaAgenda.  What is that exactly?  Is it something you are willing to write down and defend? Or is it like The Boy Queen President in Name Only’s non-existent budget proposals?  Nothing written down.  Nothing on record (kind of like his grades in college).  Stand on your agenda by putting it out here for debate and discussion without the caps lock button down. 

You remind me of the BQPINO. 

The less you understand what racism- white cultural supremacy- is and how it works, then what you think you understand will only confuse you, Real Royal Emperor.  It is time that you just try to figure out if your ass is drilled or bored.  Basics.  Get back to basics.  Then go to your green burrito job so you can sniff kitchen hazmats in the break room.  It’s all good, Dawg.

And the Liberals want to spend more money we don’t have.  Stop complaining about the bleeding and put on a tourniquet. (stop the spending)  Right now, this very moment, the problem is profligate spending, taxes are ancillary.

The philosophical differences between Free Enterprise Capitalism and Socialism has exposed both the good and bad of each, recently.  Moreover, what should be guiding your philosophical decision making, is that Obama and company, the Socialists, (thats what they are) have done MORE damage in two years than previous administrations’ put together.

Furthermore, God knows how weakened America is in World affairs? (military, intelligence and socially)
Do you truly believe that Obama has strengthened our stance in the world’s eyes?  Seriously?

Purveyor

Terri— put the vibrator back in your pie hole. It is more pleasant than your voice.  Thank you. 

You are mistaking us for that fungus growing in your shorts, Real Royal Douche Bag.  But then again the methane secretions can distort your vision. Eww.

I didnt realize you changed your name, Keith.  Is this part of your career comeback plan after the Journolist debacle?  Making up diatribes about how seniors vote?  The only thing that the “Safety net” does is create jobs for card carrying democrats at local, state, and federal levels of government— the real problem in this budget debacle.  Time to remove the tumor or at least half of it, so the checks can go out to the poor deprived morons who didnt save enough money while they could still work. 

Yeah, what is your corner, I will stop by.

I am a life long Republican but it is just stupid not to admit that Bush DID run two off budget wars and one was totally unnecessary and probably started to TRY to outsmart his Daddy.  We all know he surely flunked out on that one too.  The two wars drug on and on and on. and the money spigot just kept flooding and flooding.  Of course I am never sure if Bush did this to placate his war machine buddies so he could transfer so much of our wealth to them,or if it was to finally try to outdo his daddy, or if he was just so stupid he did it,  Hard to tell!

Ever watch the Firefly series? Where they go to the bar and degrade the Alliance at an Alliance favoring bar? One of my favorite episodes.

I wonder if I should toast Obama and the Democrats to see what kind of audience I would have. I already have a Don’t Tread on Me Pic in my rear window. It is fun to look for the new bumper stickers calling out Obama.

If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you are not racist, you have to vote for anyone else in 2012 to prove you are not an idiot.

Delusions of adequacy!

Stop repeat offenders, do not re elect them.

Does this ass make my SUV look big?

Obama Care, call us when you are shovel ready.

Miss us yet? Pics of founders.

Obama Care, efficiency of the DMV, compassion of the IRS.

http://www.fredstates.com/

yes

yes

Look here Mr. JR48 – -

1. “Obamacare”, as you call it, otherwise known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act actually reduces the Deficit by $130 billion in its first decade & by more in the second decade,

You’re confusing it with Bush 2003 Medicare Rx Drug Act, which was unfunded, has cost $1 trillion to-date and added $9 trillion to Medicare long-term unfunded liability (no Republicans were thinking of their children & grandchildren when they were saddling Medicare & them with that doodoo), outlawed the Govt from negotiating lower Rx prices with PhARMA for Medicare/Medicaid BUT gave insurers a $130 billion subsidies windfall. That one was the costly lemon, Obamacare isn’t.

2. Debt – Why are you preaching to the Democrats, $12 trillion of our $14 trillion debt was created by Reagan-Bush-Bush, including their legacy of billions in annual debt interest to be paid annually & then gets blamed on current president. The records don’t lie; US National Debt has increased under Republican presidents and decreased under Democrats
http://zfacts.com/p/1170.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

Bush 2 wars, Bush Tax Cuts, Bush 2003 Medicare Act, the high cost of health care which the Act enabled, the recession, unemployment (doubled under Bush) are what landed US in such Debt. Now this president has to clean it up, while dealing with one of the most obstructionist, destructive Republican Houses in history.

3. Let’s talk “spending”, & “revenue” problems, sweetums:

Spending:
Bush Tax Cuts added $3.7 trillion+ to National Debt thru 2010 $3.
Bush Tax Cuts for the Top 1% costs double what is spent on Dept of Education
Defense & finishing 2 Bush wars takes up 50% of total fed govt discretionary spending.
Paying Reagan-Bush-Bush Debt interest is another $300-400 billion.
Social Security pays for itself
Medicare/Medicaid expense is also higher than it should be because the cost of health care was allowed to skyrocket over last decade – US spends more than any advanced country on healthcare & gets less

Revenue:
Bush Tax Cuts reduced federal revenues by 3.7 trillion thru 2010
Tax cuts & avoidance loopholes for CEO’s/Executives cost $25 billion in lost annual tax revenues
Corporate tax cuts reduce fed revenue by $100-$350 billion annually
Bush Tax Cuts for the Top 1% alone costs double what is spent on Dept of Education
Revenues are at lowest since 1950′s, about $2.5 trillion – not enough to meet America’s obligations and, in tandem with fixed expenses, why the budget goes into deficit each year and will until investments are made in regrowing the destroyed economy Obama inherited, including strategies to replace the 7,000,000+ jobs shipped permanently offshore

Sweetums, we have a BAD revenue problem – Republican rhetoric that ” we don’t have a REVENUE proble, we have a SPENDING problem” is not only prime time BS, a big fat lie, it’s stupid.

So…you know a lot, tell us specifically what Democrat “spending” at this moment should be cut, name those “unnecessary non-critical programs” you attribute to this administration and justify why they’re less important than farm subsidies or Big Oil subsidies, for ex. How do you believe revenues should be increased & how would you fix our crumbling infrastructure, innovate & find jobs to replace the millions that were sent offshore & continue to be?

4. Taxes – your tribe says “taxes for the richest Americans are off the table” because they’re “job creators” and jobs economy would suffer if taxes returned to the prosperous Clinton era level.

BUT, sweetums:

-2001-2009 US job growth
was worst on record in 75 years. Only  net 1.1 million jobs were
created vs over 20 million created under Clinton (US Bureau of Labor
Statistics)
-Bush’s private sector job growth was the worst of any president since
Kennedy (0.3%) and actually lost private sector jobs during his second
term (-0.1%).
-While 65% of the financial benefit of Bush Tax Cuts was accruing
to the Top 1% to create jobs, jobs were being lost and thanks to tax loopholes & poorly negotiated free trade contracts, 5-6 million US jobs were shipped offshore…not surprising that 7 million workers doubled US unemployed!

http://economyinperspective.com/jobs

You see…Republicans are using bogus arguments intentionally to justify their unconscionable blocking of the returning of Bush Tax Cuts to 2001 levels, as Bush law dictates! While blackmailing the President & holding debt ceiling hostage over Tea
Party ideology-driven demands for budget cuts that will hurt millions of
Americans, Republicans are not concerned about risking weakening the fragile post-recession economic recovery.

US needs vastly increased revenues. Republicans are lying to the American public about the “job creation” power of Bush Tax Cuts. It was a bust. Where are the jobs, with unemployment so high, obviously the continuing tax cuts aren’t producing them, are they?

That’s enough for now. Your criticisms are cute & jingoistic, but your knowledge is scant and your bias is obvious. Factual records don’t support most of your statements, which are right out of Republican BS 101!

BTW, so you know – the debt ceiling is not about asking for more money, it’s provisioning funds to pay for the nation’s obligations that were already approved by Congress – including House Republicans who approved 11 debt ceiling raises under Bush without a murmur, but just had to give this Democratic president a hard time on his first debt ceiling in 3 years. Now, that’s hypocrisy as well as bone-headed obstructionism & disregard for America.

Really? I guessed right? You’re a long haul trucker?

Really? I guessed right? You’re a prostitute?

 But purveyor this argument that tax cuts solve all ills is bogus. Is there a happy median? Yes but inane talking points about low taxes meaning good economy is unproved and untrue. Income taxes are at there lowest rate in 50 years. Obama has raised taxes on no one. In fact he’s cut taxes. If you pay in to social security this year you are paying less than last year. Income taxes have remained the same. He’s cut small business taxes and increased tax deductions for the normal person. Has this turned the economy around? We have been in a free fall for 5 years and who has prospered? Another thing no one seems to think of is ok lets cut spending lets make deep cuts. Do you not think job loses will be higher? The fed govt will start laying people off then. So now state local and federal will be laying people off. Is that what you and others want? The only logical solution is to raise taxes and cut spending but it seems to elude everyone on the left and the right.

And your lengthy assertion has been repudiated because Obamacare is unsustainable, (afford) it is antithetical to a Nation created and based on free enterprise and lastly, the sheer size of the endeavor is beyond the scope of Government as witness in your above post as well as then Speaker Pelosi’s “we have to pass it to know whats in it.”  That was not a simple slip of the tongue, rather a freudian slip that spoke what was an obvious truth.

Unfortunate, there are a significant plurality of American’s that follow blindly as is if narcotized.

As far as the sustainability, opening interstate healthcare sale, plus proper regulation and effective policing would more than solved the problem.  However, such a solution would not have facilitated the road to Socialism which is the real and ultimate prize of Obama has his acolytes.

Purveyor

Nope, Katie and Lori, not a Teri.  Sorry.

I think *YOU* are the one that prostitutes himself for the filthy rich, corporations, and takes pleasure in feeding the beasts that are killing us.

Boehner has a problem, it’s the tea party. They will not agree to anything because they believe in limited government. So he has to bring them to the center but has no power to do so. They have been ignored through the years and now they have power in numbers and are going to take down our government for their limited government ideals. I’f they do, they will have done what those guys did to those towers, without shooting a bullet.

and still better than any republican..lol

i love it…the rich get richer and the poor….well u know

hey genius half of that was by ur boy Clusterfuk Bush lol

Nicely said, well done.

Also, a profitable business has better paid and, perhaps, more employees who pay income tax.

The problem with all this conjecture is that America has never truly had the opportunity to equitably and fairly apply “trickle down” economics.  There has always been impediments and exigencies that prevent an actual analysis of that Economic theorie’s efficacy.

Reagan tried very hard, but Congress and special interests, plus a very necessary military expansion skewed the results. (Also, political sabotage)

Lately, we have had an excellent lesson in the folly of Keynesian and Socialist economics.  Despite the respective warts, I’d like to move forward with the “Laffer Curve” approach.

Purveyor

Sweet Jesus, I hope you were kidding in that comment to Kramer?

Yes, I was playing around. Kramer said he was going to be on the road for a while so I threw that long haul trucker thing out there for 2 reasons: 1) Long haul truckers listen to *a lot* of talk radio and 2) It reminded me that the FBI does keep a special database about crimes that happen to people at truck stops and along Interstates. The FBI has stated that a profession such as long haul trucker is a perfect job for serial killers, and there are lots of bodies found on the sides of Interstate highways.

Do I think Kramer is a serial murderer? No. But he does post some highly questionable comments that sometimes make me wonder what’s going on upstairs with him.

Christopher, you are nothing but a “Left Wing Hack”.  You are a bought and paid for traitor to the US.  How dare you write such obvious biased trash.   You want socialism like Obama!   Your grandfather must be flipping in his grave.  Tell me what he thought of communists and socialists.

Just wondering…….why is it that you believe President Obama and not Speaker Boehner.  Just a matter of talking points, I guess.

Don’t think that is a horn they are blowing !!!

While he might be an incompetent Democrat. He’s fitting right in as a Tea Partier. He’s going against all Democratic principles that were actually from the Bible, Please remember that the widow that gave her widow’s mite is more likely to make it to heaven than a rich man. I’m sure that John vowed to protect this nation from enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Unfortunately the TPers are domestic terrorists.

Thanks for the response. I know about the truck stop quirks, i just overeacted when I read your Post. There is an anonymity that somewhat de-humanizes us in here. Thanks again.

Interesting thought: We have never truly seen the effect of Reaganomics, trickle down or supply side economics which is the the Republican economic philosophy. Even during the Reagan years, “Reaganomics” was not allowed to work as theorized by an un-cooperative Congress, and needed Big post-Vietnam Military spending, etc.

A man named Laffer demonstrated, theoretically, how Reaganomics should/would work in a book called the “Laffer Curve.” BUT, America hasn’t had the opportunity to truly devote itself to that economic strategy. As I understand the Laffer curve, it makes complete sense as it is is pure Capitalism with a small government. (Safety nets in place, and excesses trimmed back)

Socialism, what more do want say about such? Has been an abject failure since Marx first suggested it in 1850. Unfortunately, wether by design or fate, America is broke and we need to stop the hemorrhage. That Obama and company do not see the ominous implications makes me very suspicious of there motives.

Your points are all valid, BUT, Obama wants to spend more money that we don’t have, That defies basic common sense!

By the way, we have a nice Alien couple from the Tralfamadore star system living next door. They are “Grey” aliens. I hear you folks have “Reptilian Aliens” moving in? Nice folks. Just making sure you are paying attention. LOL

Purveyor

Johnny Boy has got a bit of BS backed up in his system, it would appear. Taking his que from Cantor how said he would pass a bill to change law so it bypassed the Senate and President (veto). Two more examples of men who have lost their mind and credibility and are set to destroy the economy even more. PEOPLE BUYING STUFF MAKES JOBS…Not Rich Tax Breaks. They have had that for ten years and look what that got us. These two smug fools are getting close to needing a psych exam.

Speaker Boehner: ‘I Take The Same Oath Of Office As The President. I Have The Same Responsibilities’

I just wish he had the same term limits..that goes for all of congress!

“Our” Government was created for the people, not the people created for Government control or entitlements granted? that can be taken back in a second. At what point do you quit living off others and stand to be a man? Carry your weight and push Government back to what it was meant to be. You have been programmed, get over it! Now go wipe your nose.

you know that sounds libelous or is that cannibous..

Some economists will disagree with you because the answer is not as obvious as it seems.

In theory, a corporation is only taxed on the profit it makes AFTER it has sold the product to the consumer. That means it is too late to add the tax into the price. Well, you know theory and reality are too different things.

An after the sale tax does  reduce profits that could go to dividends to share holders, or to investment in R&D or more equipment. It may even reduce the CEO’s pay instead of being passed on to the consumer.

On the other hand, of course the corp. knows it will be taxed, and if it can, it will increase its sale price to increase after tax profits. This is where the corp. can be squeezed when the consumer refuses to pay a higher price for the product. In other words, the consumer can refuse to let the corp. pass the tax on.

Does the consumer know that is what he is doing? No. He/she simply knows he/she can substitute a competitor’s lower priced product, wait for prices to drop, not buy at all, or in some cases bargain the price down.

Naturally, economists and finance executives love to create formulas, charts, and graphs that show a corporation’s best option, which might be to accept some or all of the tax burden in order to maintain sales. But, if the corporation can pass the cost of the tax on to the consumer, it will.

Now let’s complicate things. When a t-shirt supplier sells its product to Wal-Mart, will Wal-Mart let that t-shirt corp. pass its tax on to Wal-Mart? No way! Wal-Mart is way too powerful to fall for that. A smaller retailer may have to accept the higher price from the supplier, and that tax will get passed on to you, the consumer.

So you go to Wal-Mart instead.

you are incorrect sir. Fact is that Obama has 4 or 5 pieces of legislation waiting to help small business but the Republicans won’t let it pass because they want him to fail. Just do a little independent research and you will see. totally honest. check it.

“proper regulation and effective policing”?  Who is going to vote to pay for that?  You wound yourself with your own argument!

Then why are the Republicans holding up numerous bills Obama wants to enact to help small business and the economy? I’ll answer for you. Because the Grand old Plutocrats want the economy to tank so they can blame it on Obama. Not very American, is it?

Better yet, why are the Republicans blocking a consumer protection bill that will benefit you and me from unfair bank practices?

That was beneath even you, Mr. PURVEYOR of SCHMEGMA.

….. of course, we wouldn’t expect a member of the WHPC to actually question
this president’s actions….oh noes, he is the  White House Press
Corps(e) GOD.

I remember how awful the White House press corpse was during the Bush Administration. They even had one “reporter” who would slap and even spank the White House spokesman (for a nominal fee).

His working name was Jeff Gannon I think.

….. of course, we wouldn’t expect a member of the WHPC to actually question
this president’s actions….oh noes, he is the  White House Press
Corps(e) GOD.

I remember how awful the White House press corpse was during the Bush Administration. They even had one “reporter” who would slap and even spank the White House spokesman (for a nominal fee).

His working name was Jeff Gannon I think.

That is my Old Man’s humor coming through. Why do Pink Flamingoes stand on one leg?…

Congress shall have the power to “regulate commerce.” We do it now, we need to do it fairly and better…

Please do learn more about socialism. Not because you will be converted, but because you are throwing the term around far too loosely. Marx did not invent socialism. Marxism (communism) is to Socialism as the Tea Party is to Republicans–a small and extremist group.
Seriously. There is a significant difference, and to ignore that misses a very important element of your arguments. Argument as in debate, not a knife fight. :-)

SHUT UP!  BARACK OBAMA WAS “ELECTED” BY THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES TO BE THE PRESIDENT.  BOEHNER DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME RESPONSIBILITIES AS THE PRESIDENT NOR WAS HE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE TO BE THE PRESIDENT!  SHOW SOME RESPECT FOR THE PRESIDENCY AND THE PRESIDENT. 

STOP, ‘trying’ to be condescending. I don’t presume to tell you how to be a soldier, don’t tell me how to be a scholar.

What, no return comment, or have you suffered a fatal “wound”?  Maybe you, along with DEVILs SPAWN and others are experiencing “cognitive dissonance?”  ”Wounds” to your sincerely held beliefs that are causing you intellectual discomfort?

Try thinking about what you are hearing and reading before you simply form and spit a retort.  There may well be a Kernel of knowledge or wisdom hidden inside the information.  Maybe, just maybe, an epiphany lies within.

Purveyor

What is “Economic Treason”?

An individual or group action or behavior that threatens or actually does, negatively affect the security of America.  Both economically and physically. Tangibly and intangibly.

Would allowing jobs to leave the country based solely on profit be “economic treason?”
Would allowing illegal, lower paid workers to take American jobs be “economic treason?”

Purveyor

this alcohol riddled puppet of the rich wants to be president sooo bad but he cant put one sentence together without slurring his speech. he was on fox this weekend and the host being “on his side” obviously, made it easy for him to answer questions but he still mumbled, trailed off, etc. amazing that the right continues to follow this drunk over the cliff with our economy….

You know, of course, that Wal-Mart will soon be in the Health Care business?  Yes indeed!  The name will be:

 ”Wal-Med.”: plus…Wal-InsuranceWal-Automotive, on and on…  What is worse, a Government monopoly or a private monopoly?  Socialism puts America on the road to the former.  Curiously, so too can the latter.Starting with the “Slaughterhouse cases,” then the “Ward” case in 1871, (Philosophy of Adam Smith and J.S. Mill appeared) hence, the “privileges and immunities clause” made a RARE appearance in Constitutional adjudication.  Finally, the ‘Big Kahuna,” the 1937 “West Coast Hotel v. Parrish” which was all about FDR, monopolies, Socialism and Capitalism!Time to go to the Library, DEVIL.  LOL  (You know, if I were you I’d keep this Post as the topic and convolution, would make a great paper)  But, you don’t think asymmetrically…Ouch!