That is
a lie; most Christians do believe Mormons are Christians.

 Mormons believe in Christ and follow His
teachings, and that is the ‘prerequisite’ for being a Christian,
believing in Christ and following his teaching and nothing else.  Christ said, “I am the way and the truth and
the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6

All the rest of the ‘Mumbo Jumbo’ church doctrines and manmade laws are subject to
constant changes; just like when the Catholic Church use to tell us not to
associate with Protestant Churches because it was a sin to even attend their
church for a wedding or any other ritual performed there.

Obviously, you have not studied Mormonism.

Invite an ignorant hillbilly who believes in ghosts and goblins and then act shocked by the incomprehensible stupidity that follows ?  The 24 hour news cycle is going to be the damnation of our society….ffs 

Obama is not a Christian. He was born to a Muslim father, his stepfather was Muslim and his school records show that he was Muslim. He attended mosque services in Indonesia when he was a boy and references such in his books. He then joined Jeremiah Wrights church which is a black seperatist, black theology church which is anti-semitic, blames white Christians for the fate of the black people and is aligned with the Nation of Islam. Just use google to see Michele Obama in a picture with Louis Farrahkan wife and look up how Wrights church gave Farrahkan an award. For political expediency Obama denounced Wright and attended a Christian church which he has not attended even slightly regularly. Prove that one thing I wrote her is wrong.

I have not the slightest problem having ecumenical discussions, and I recognize that Christians, from the highest sort to the most fundamental, Jews, in whatever strata of orthodoxy, Muslims, adherents of all other faiths, Mormons and people of no faith are most often people of good will and have contributed to our nation. Mormons are just not Christians. That’s not my opinion. That’s the teachings of the Catholic, Episcopal, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian churches and Southern Baptist congregations.

Why is someones belief in a mythical story so important?

Maybe Franklin should have asked his father, Rev. Billy Graham about Obamas faith. It’s too bad none of his fathers values didn’t rub off on his kid.

Yikes, total fail……….his dad is very much alive

The only thing I ever disliked about Sunday School was the annual Easter egg hunt. I was a most successful egg hunter, and yet, at the end all the eggs were put together and divided equally. When I turned eight (8) years old, I understood why we were doing that, and I stopped being a Republican.

Franklin Graham established the conditions for being a Christian, and it has nothing to do with the items you cited.

It’s impossible to bridge reality and mythology.No religion is based on fact, therefore can not be true.Religion is designed to control and enslave the sheeple.Free your mind,your ass will follow.

Agree. It’s too bad the values Rev. Billy Graham has didn’t rub off on his kid.

Column asking why the Game Change movie didn’t focus on some juicy tidbits in the book about Hillary and Obama pertaining to Wright.
And then there was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. What a great role the fiery preacher from Chicago would have made! “Game Change” — the book — reported that Obama and his top aides knew all along that Wright would be a problem, and yet did nothing about it until Wright’s “Goddamn America” sermon burst into the news. 
The alternate “Game Change” could have featured top Clinton aide Harold Ickes’ suggestion that the campaign hire a private investigator to probe Obama’s connections to Wright. “This guy has been sitting in the church for twenty f–king years,” Ickes is quoted in the book as saying. “If you really want to take him down, let’s take him f–king down.” Screenwriter Danny Strong — he also worked on “Recount” — couldn’t have written it better himself.
The movie also could have focused on Hillary Clinton’s anger at Obama’s ability to escape the Wright mess unscathed. “Just imagine, just for fun, if my pastor from Arkansas said the kind of things his pastor said,” Clinton told aides, according to the book. “I’m just saying. Just imagine. This race would be over.”

I would certainly never say, and I’m not sure we’ve had all that many visibly religious presidents anyway. Roosevelt seemed to have a great spirituality encased that Episcopal tolerance. Truman, Eisenhower were not particularly religious. Kennedy was at best a cafeteria Catholic. Johnson claimed to be a Lutheran, but always worshiped with his wife in an Episcopal church. Nixon and religion never seemed to cross paths. Ford was, once again, a faithful Episcopalian, without an fervor. Raygun seemed to be uncomfortable with any sort of spirituality. Poppy, again, an Episcopal, who attended and seemed to have an unshakeable if not muted belief. Clinton and Carter may have been our most visibly religious presidents. W. I never figured it out. How can someone attend Tarrytown Methodist church and be an evangelical? I take him at his word, however, even if he seemed a bit conflicted.

That all goes to show that the office has never been all that Christ-centered, as well it should not be.

You’re a toothless pole smoking homosexual that trolls mall bathrooms for little boys. You were arrested in 1992 for sodomizing a mentally retarded teenager and you served 7 years in state prison and were the only inmate who looked forward to getting raped in the showers….Prove that one thing I wrote was wrong….

http://blogs.trb.com/news/opinion/chanlowe/blog/2011/12/chan_lowe_the_solution_for_val.htmlAmen! 

No bashing. It’s a legitimate faith. It’s just not a Christian faith. That’s never bothered me.

LMAO!!! So let me get this straight…

Mediaite is SUPPOSED to be a web portal about the MEDIA — hence this site’s very name — and the way that it covers news stories of the day. And it’s SUPPOSED to focus on the people who WORK in the media, and thus cover a particular incident about something they did on air or off.

And yet with that in mind, the Mediaite editors/writers in picking “what” story they’ll run with — of which they clearly have A LOT to choose from given the modern 24-7-365 news cycle, filled with all sorts shows, each with a zillion guests coming and going — have once again decided to treat us to a front page, banner headline story that simply boils down to “ANY Christian or Christian oroganization that opposes ANYTHING Obama wants to do OR gets in the way of Progressive policy is bad, bad, bad, bad, BAD!!!”

Hence the reason that a GUEST like Graham gets a headline story, and yet Mediaite magically (wink, wink of the knowing eye) DOESN’T give a banner headline to this statement, which is actually MORE eyebrow raising than anything Graham said:

CHRIS MATTHEWS: “IF YOU’RE REALLY ANTI-GAY, YOU BECOME CATHOLIC NOW.”
http://tinyurl.com/8646hg3

LOL  I love this place this election cycle!  This place is balls out dedicated to being a DNC mouthpiece, to shill for Obama, so much so that they’re not even TRYING to hide it anymore. And if it’s this laughably lame now, I can’t WAIT to see what this place will be like come October as the Election is only weeks away, when it will surely be a neck-and-neck race.

At which point, I’m sure, we’ll see all the writers here panicking and frantically saying “What am I doing wrong!? Obama might still lose! And I pushed all the particular stories and wrote all the selective articles that was asked of me!!!”

Obama is in trouble. Bill Burton, who has appeared on Morning Joe to the amusement of the other lefties, has a Super Pac. His Priorities USA took in $55,600. in January,for a sitting President, just about what Buddy Roemer received.

“Pro-Obama super PAC a bust in January fundraising”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/20/pro-obama-super-pac-bust-january-fundraising/

So you say. You know what opinions are like don’t you.

 
“I don’t want to see religious bigotry in any form. It would disturb
me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the
political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to
manipulate it.”

— Rev. Billy Graham, Parade, 1981

“SURELY a neck ands neck race”?

LOL

You do see who your front runner is, right?

And just because it’s the GUEST making news in the media, that doesn’t make it any more or less involved in the media. HE’S ON A SHOW SAYING CRAZY STUFF. Yes, he’s going to get his own headline.

That’s an understatement. None of his father’s values rubbed off on his kid. That’s for sure.

x2

I watched the whole thing again and I think Franklin handled the NFM waterboarding well.

Franklin Graham is not a real christian.

my jesus is bigger than your jesus. i can bow down to my jesus and suck the excrement out of christ’s rear better than you can.  jesus, the biggest lie in the history of man….

Franklin must have been partying in the 1980′s

 
“I don’t want to see religious bigotry in any form. It would disturb
me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the
political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to
manipulate it.”

— Rev. Billy Graham, Parade, 1981

Way to deflect because you cant address the accurate points I made. Nice mouth by the way, you kiss your mother with that?

Franklin Graham is a fool and a bigot. This has been demonstrated time and time again. He couldn’t hold his father’s jockstrap.

Does Franklin Graham’s opinion matter? There’s only one Graham in the household that has catered to multiple presidents. It is his opinion, so I don’t really care. If you hate Obama just say so,. Simple as that. If you don’t like his policies, then say so. Some people vote for people that reflect their values. Some people vote because a candidate looks clean and polished. While others vote with a herd mentality. It’s your choice. Use it wisely.

For starters, you claim Obama is not a Christian but then you admit he joined a church & professed his faith to Christ. Technically speaking, he is a Christian . Like Graham said, he’s not in position to decide who is “really” a Christian and who is not. Neither are you.

Franklin Graham is a false prophet — he harbors intolerance if not hatred — I say that based upon what he announces to the world.  People like him who profess christianity are far removed from christianity in their behavior.
He is a charlatan, the “Elmer Gantry” of our time.  Those people who hold him up as an icon of their faith are so mistaken they are to be pitied….and then educated to see the truth.

ya islamm has 1 god and christians have 2 plus a ghost and some saints and angels..
but they are the only 2 relgions that believe in hell–
funny huh?

oh ya and oil and war–

Two things. First, it’s interesting that he calls placing his stamp of legitimacy on each candidate’s faith his “business” and somehow doesn’t get hammered for it by an already agitated panel. By his own standard, only God knows the hearts of humans, which is particularly ironic when he uses the fact that President Obama didn’t go to church as his evidence to be skeptical about his faith. By so much as speculating, he reveals that he is still yet to understand his own faith. The interview would have been over a lot sooner if they had just asked him if he thought only Republicans could be Christians. Second, he clearly needs to brush up on his Middle East politics if he thinks that the Muslim population in Egypt is satisfied with being ruled by the military. Muslims make up the majority of the ongoing protesters. If he’ll also recall, the ones to form a ring around an Egyptian Coptic Christian church to prevent it from being attacked last year were Muslims. If anything, his observations that the violence against Egyptian citizens hasn’t ceased supports the conclusion that even though Mubarak is physically removed from power, the iron fist of his presidency has only become heavier.

he is already there..
hateful ignornace is the worst hell of all..

ask any philosophy major…
hehehe

This site is as liberal as cbs/nbc/abc/msnbc/nyt. The day that they get a conservative counter balance to Tommy “whats his real name” Christopher it might start to tip towards being unbiased. All day long they make conservatives/republicans look bad by taking quotes out of context and then editorializing how horrible and out of touch they are. Occasionally they’ll throw a bone about a democrat but rarely editorialize about it. Only good thing about this place is that they let conservative comments through to complain about how liberally biased the media is.

you forgot -hate your neighbor-lust for blood and gold and oil..

jesus was not a christian either..
and jesus never said anything about gays or gay marriage–though we was very clear about divorce..

will get u paid on FOX though..

Problem is that they don’t believe in trinity which is a fundamental Christian belief. If one doesn’t believe that Christ & God are 1 and the same and are considered Christian anyway, we could make the argument that Islam is Christian as well. They also believe in Jesus & much like the Mormons they believe that the message of Christ was not complete & that additional messengers of God were required to complete the message. If Mormons consider themselves to be Christians I’m fine with that. At the same time, I could see why many Christians question that claim.

All religion is made up,how can any of these fools be taken seriously.

So if your father and grandfather were convicts does that mean that you should be thrown in jail as soon as you’re born because it’s obvious that you come from a long line of criminals?

There is not a single mainstream American voter that agrees with the kind of absurd and offensive rhetoric peddled by the likes of Franklin Graham, Rick Santorum, and the rest of the extreme conservative crowd. As long as the GOP talks about Obama as a “secret Muslim”  they will lose any and every election going forward in perpetuity. Americans understand this junk is racially motivated and red meat for the insatiable appetite of the un-American Tea Party. It needs to stop.   http://www.sunstateactivist.org

Just pointing out that as children our parents decide what religion to follow and his parents were Muslim. Many as they get older decide to convert or not believe and Obama converts to a black seperatist church which is anti-semitic and blames the white west for all the problems of people of color. Pretty much Obama’s foreign policy towards Israel and his “fairness” and spread the wealth message domestically. There is a pattern but the media doesnt want to point it out.

According to the false christian, Graham, if your grandfather and father were muslims, so are you.
In this way, he denounces all converts to any religion – including christian. How is it more “pure” to remain in the religion of your heritage than to come to your own understanding of religion in your own heart? 
President Obama had no religion until young adulthood, when he joined the christian church and saw the good works of the catholic church in his community.  Neither his (humanist) mother nor his grandparents attended church.
Gingrich converted to the catholic faith as a matter of convenience (3rd marriage) to Callista.  It allowed his past “sins” to be erased and a clean slate for him — according to Graham, Gingrich is a practicing christian — but Obama who was un-churched and became a christian for the past 25 years is still a muslim because his (absent) father was so.
Graham = hypocrisy, among other faults such as hubris.

 Where did Christ talk about gay marriage?

Obama professed his faith to anti-semitism, reparations, anti-colonialism in Rev Wrights church. A church that preached hate. That is not a Christian church. If it was Obama would have never denounced it after the media finally had to report about it. Nice try though.

This man is disgusting.  I’d trust a televangelist over this amoral asshole.  I have great respect for his father, but don’t understand what happened to the son.  It’s positively shameful.

That’s because he’s a Muslim!

He had no problem recognizing that Santorum is a christain with certainty, the man is a hack, and a bigot…

Because everyone is free to choose.

Never mind what I said. I confused you for someone who was sane. Carry on.

You’re wrong about that, Mencius.  I am speaking from a frame of reference of believing in The Bible, as it is written:  There are huge differences.  If you choose not to believe, that is your right.  However, if one has actually read The Bible, the differences are not hard to see, at all.  It’s really quite simple.

I believe that faith is a personal thing. No one can say that someone is a Christian or not besides God. When people question the president’s relationship with Christ, they’re just making themselves look bad.

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It’s called personal responsibilty, Josh.  If you were “born” a Christian, why you make the effort called for in The Bible.  You don’t have to believe–that is your right, but you are talking baout something that you, obviously don’t know about.  If you read The Bible, you’d understand. 

There are so many comments on this site about what is “supposedly” said in The Bible, yet they are so untrue.  It would seem to me that a person is foolish to comment on something so strongly when they don’t have the facts. 

Franklin needs to be saved.

Just becasue you don’t agree with him does not mean he’s not correct in his assertions.  If you read The Bible, it you would understand.

Thank God for the separation of church and state.

Nice going Willie, Mark, Barnacle, and Alex you all cornered a Polecat on Mornin’ Joe… The Fraud Franklin got exposed for the hypocrtie he truly is… Just keep watching… you have not seen anything yet… These people are not going to stop at anything getting in their way of trying to demonize this President… I am a little surprised they bought out such a Big Gun so soon, he will crawl back into his hole, for now, but they will pull him back up AS NEEDED… How do you like that Christain??? Tens of thousands follow this man’s teachings, but the Devil’s In The Details… The Smear campaign is cranking up, I wonder who they will roll out next…

Somebody should smack those smug looking Obama apologists on that panel upside the head. Graham doesn’t believe or trust Obama. Isn’t that his prerogative, or does he have to bow low before the great empty suit?

This guys a total fraud and full of shit.  Why he’s given any air time at all is the real question…

I’m not sure where you’re getting your information about what books of The Bible are important, but your comment show an obvious ignorance (in the true sense of the word).  Did you know that The Bible tells us that people such as you will try and manipulate the meaning of the texts within The Bible?  There is a harsh judgement for that, as well.

Mencius, how did you get that personal information from the Grahams–the information about how much they give?  You claim to be “pretty certain” about this. 

Amen, Brother a North Carolina Polecat…To do this to a Sitting American President is Disgraceful, I do not care what color he is, and by one of the most Revered names in this country, Franklin, the man should be ashamed to show his face in another church… What a HACK…

This wouldn’t have any thing to do with the president being black, would it, no of course not.

since there is no religious test (requirement) for elected office why does any of this discussion matter?

I noticed that during the conversation Graham never gave a straight answer to a direct question. 

What is he trying to hide?

Mostly dead :) – The Princess Bride

You can be a Christian and be against Gay Marriage.  Marriage is a Christian institution ordained by God.  Man’s law is secular and can be anything man wants it to be.  You can’t change God’s law.

It’s pretty cut and dry, jefwel. Have they made personal fortunes from their ministries? Well then, they won’t be going to heaven, says Jesus. The conservative estimate is that Billy Graham has between $25 million to $88 million personally–not in his association but under his direct control. 

Okay, explain to me why homosexuality is wrong, but it’s fine to eat pork and get haircuts? Explain to me why people take selected lines from books like Leviticus and use them as proof that things are forbidden and people that practice them should be hated while completely ignoring all the lines from the same book that would inconvenience them? Explain to me why the message of tolerance and forgiveness that Jesus taught is so often ignored by the evangelical right in favour of condemning people that disagree with them.

There are people far more guilty of manipulating the meaning of words of the bible here but it’s not me.

Luckily our constitution has been amended so that we can believe ourselves to be Christian, or not, whatever WE believe. And we can choose not to subject that belief to some third party examination by someone who THINKS they can divine our belief.  

He didn’t.

Another ignorant comment about what The Bible says about homosexuality…  Also, people get too wrapped up calling someone a “Christian.”  You either follow The Bible (God’s word), or you do not.  The Bible does say that we will not be perfect and that we will make mistakes, so anyone who says that we are hypocrites because we mess up from time to time does not know what they are talking about.  Regarding homosexuality, The Bible is VERY clear about it being wrong.  Here, note I am simply telling what The Bible says about it–it is also wrong to judge anyone for it.  but, make no mistake, there is lots on that subject in The Bible.

 The message is there, much like the message Drugs are bad for you, BUT people are people and they have free will/choice in things they do or believe.  If the Creator chose to force everyone to be as he would like them to be, the world would be populated by robots.

Please read what I said. I never said there weren’t differences in the religions. I clearly said the opposite. I said the basic moral codes were the same: love one another, etc. I’ve read a lot of the Bible as well as much of the other books. 

URL isn’t working. 

really?

GE 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heaven(s) and the earth.” (One might ask what “existed,” and where God dwelt, before he created heaven and earth. Of course, if God were pure spirit the question could be considered moot, but inasmuch as the God of the Bible allegedly participated in a wrestling match, ate solid food, was seen face to face, spoke with Moses, etc., it would seem that he possesses physical attributes, including form.) (Note: Some biblicists contend that biblical chronology fixes the date of creation at 4004 B.C. thereby making the earth about six thousand years old. Some present-day creationists stubbornly adhere to a young earth timetable in spite of overwhelming evidence that the earth is actually billions of years old.)
GE 1:3-5, 14-19 There was light (“night and day”) before there was a sun. (Note: If there were no sun, there would be no night or day. Also, light from the newly created heavenly bodies seems to have reached the earth instantaneously though it now takes thousands or millions of years.)
GE 1:12, 16 Plants began to grow before there was sunlight.
GE 1:29 Every plant and tree which yield seed are given to us by God as good to eat. (Note: This would include poisonous plants such as hemlock, buckeye pod, nightshade, oleander.)
GE 2:15-23, 3:1-5, 1TI 2:14 Eve was created after Adam had already been given the prohibition about eating the forbidden fruit. Eve believed the serpent (the craftiest of all of God’s wild creatures) when he assured her that she would become wise and would not die if she ate the fruit. Eve has been blamed for causing Adam to fall, and ultimately for the fall of mankind. (Note: Prior to eating the forbidden fruit, Adam and Eve would have had no knowledge of right and wrong; they would not have known that it was a sin to disobey God or to obey the serpent. After they ate the forbidden fruit, God placed a guard around the “Tree of Eternal Life” to keep them from eating its fruit. He could have done the same for the “Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil” before Adam and Eve disobeyed. In addition, even though the prohibition regarding the forbidden fruit was made to Adam before Eve came on the scene, Eve has been blamed for the Fall; 1TI 2:14 says: “… Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.”)
GE 3:1-5 The serpent speaks human language (presumably Hebrew).
GE 3:14-16 God curses the serpent, Eve, and Adam for what they have done. (Note: This is inconsistent with God’s omniscience; God should have known full well, ahead of time, what the outcome would be. Since God created the three as well as the Tree of Knowledge, he is ultimately responsible for the Fall.)
GE 3:14 The serpent eats dust for the rest of his life (by command of God).
GE 4:15 A mark is placed on Cain as a distinctive identifying symbol when there were only three (known) persons on earth.
GE 4:17 Cain builds and populates a whole city in only two generations.
GE 6:4 There were giants on the earth at one time. (Note: No evidence exists to supports this assertion.)
GE 6:5 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to flood the earth to eliminate mankind. All living things including plants, animals, women and innocent children are also exterminated. (Note: This is like burning down a house to rid it of mice.)
GE 6:15 The size of Noah’s Ark was such that there would be about one and a half cubic feet for each pair of the 2,000,000 to 5,000,000 species to be taken aboard.
GE 7:17-19 The flood covered the entire earth at the same time. (Note: There is no evidence of a worldwide flood, but rather of many, widespread, but local floods.)
GE 7:19-20 The flood covered the earth with water fifteen cubits (twenty plus feet) above the highest mountains.(Note: This would require steady, worldwide rainfall at the rate of about 6 inches per minute, 360 inches per hour, 8640 inches per day–for 40 days and nights–so as to cover the entire earth with an endless ocean 5 miles deep, thus burying 29,000 ft. Mt. Everest under 22 ft. of water. How did the author know the depth of the water? Did Noah take soundings? And where has all this water gone?)
GE 8:20 Noah’s first recorded action following the flood is to sacrifice one of every clean animal and bird. (Since so few animals were saved, this could be considered rather wasteful and defeating–especially given that the stated purpose of taking the animals aboard the Ark was to keep them alive [GE 6:20]. To see a discussion of the various ways this verse can be interpreted, and in turn the different ways to approach the Bible generally, see addendum.)
GE 8:21 The odor of Noah’s sacrifices was pleasing to the Lord.
GE 9:12-16 God first creates the rainbow. (Note: Apparently the laws having to do with refraction of light were null and void prior to this time.)
GE 18:1, 7-8 God eats solid food with Abraham.
GE 30:37-43 Jacob alters the genetic characteristics of cattle by letting them view a striped rod. (Note: His purpose in doing so was to fleece Laban of his cattle.)
GE 32:24-30 God takes part in a wrestling match. He wins by injuring Jacob’s hip.
GE 38:27-29 Twins are being delivered. One puts out his hand and the midwife binds it with a scarlet ribbon to identify him as the firstborn. But he draws back his hand, and his brother is born first (thereby obtaining the rights of the firstborn son).
EX 4:24 The Lord sought to kill Moses (one of his own prophets.)
EX 12:30 The Lord kills all the first-born of Egypt and there is not a house where there is not at least one dead. (This means that there was not a house in Egypt that did not include at least one first-born—a most unusual situation.)
EX 12:37, NU 1:45-46 The number of men of military age who take part in the Exodus is given as about 600,000. Allowing for women, children, and older men would probably mean that a total of more than 2,000,000 Israelites left Egypt at a time when the whole population of Egypt was less than 2,000,000.
EX 17:14 God says that he will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek. DT 25:19 “… you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven; you must not forget.” (That remembrance is now permanently preserved in the Bible.)
EX 28:34-35 Entering the holy place without wearing bells can result in death.
LE 11:20-21 There are winged creatures (birds or insects) that go around on all fours. (Note: There are no birds that go around on four legs, and all insects have six or eight legs.)
LE 11:6 (States, incorrectly, that the rabbit, or hare, chews its cud.)
LE 14:33-57 God himself believes that a house or clothes can have leprosy and he details the remedy.
LE 14:49-53 The cure for leprosy involves incantations and the blood of a bird.
NU 11:31-33 A “wind from the Lord” brings such an abundance of quail that “he who gathered the least gathered ten homers,” or about 62 bushels. Altogether, this would have been enough to fill several thousand boxcars. Unfortunately, it was immediately followed by a great plague (food poisoning?) from the Lord.
NU 22:21-30 A donkey sees an angel, recognizes it as such, and then speaks in human language (presumably Hebrew) to his master.
DT 1:1 Moses speaks to “all” of Israel, perhaps 2,000,000 people (see EX 12:37 above).
DT 2:14 All of the “men of war”–some 600,000–who left Egypt in the Exodus were dead just thirty-eight years later. (See EX 12:37 above.)
DT 7:15 Moses promises his people that the Lord will take away all sickness.
DT 25:5-9 A man has an obligation to produce a child with his brother’s widow. If he refuses, his sister-in-law is to spit in his face in front of the elders.
JS 10:12-14 God obliges Joshua by making the sun and moon stand still (so that he can finish his battle by daylight).
JG 3:21-22 (KJV) “Ehud … took the dagger from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the haft also went in after the blade; and the fat closed upon the blade, so that he could not draw the dagger out of his belly; and the dirt came out.”
JG 7:12 The camels were without number as the sand of the sea.
JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass.
JG 16:17-22 Samson loses his strength as a result of having his head shaved. (Note: This is not psychosomatic since he began to lose his strength while he was still asleep.)
JG 20:16 There were seven hundred men who were left handed and could sling a stone at a hair and not miss.
1SA 5:8-9 God causes “emerods” (hemorrhoids or tumors) amongst the Philistines (who have captured the Ark of the Covenant, where God was thought to reside).
1SA 13:5 The Philistines had “… troops like the sand on the seashore in multitude.”
1SA 16:14-23 Evil spirits can come from God (and be exorcised with God’s help).
1KI 3:12, 16-28 Solomon, the wisest man that ever lived, can think of no better way to determine the natural mother of a child in dispute than to threaten to divide the child in half. (Note: This does not take into account the possibility of mental derangement on the part of the natural mother.)
1KI 4:29 God gave Solomon wisdom as measureless as the sand on the seashore.
1KI 6:2, 2CH 3:3 Solomon’s temple was only about ninety feet long by thirty feet wide, yet:   1KI 5:15-16 153,300 persons were employed to build it.   1KI 6:38 It took seven years to build.   1CH 22:14 ~7,500,000 lbs. of gold and ~75,000,000 lbs. of silver were used.   1CH 23:4 24,000 supervisors and 6,000 officials and judges were employed to manage it. (Note: Inasmuch as there seems to be uncertainty as to the exact weight of the biblical talent, some estimates place the weight of gold at more than 13,000,000 lbs. and the weight of silver at more than 116,000,000 lbs.)
1KI 10:24 The whole world sought an audience with Solomon to hear his wisdom.
1KI 17:2-6 The Lord commands ravens to bring bread and meat to Elijah.
1KI 18:33-38 Fire consumes wet wood, stones, and dust, and “licks up” water.
2KI 6:5-7 An iron axe head “swims” (or floats).
2CH 9:23 All the kings on earth sought the presence of Solomon to hear his wisdom.
2KI 13:21 A man who is being buried comes alive after touching the bones of Elisha.
2KI 16:2, 20, 18:1-2 Ahaz was thirty-six years old when he died. His twenty-five year old son Hezekiah succeeded him. Thus Ahaz was a ten or eleven year old father.
2KI 19:35 (KJV) “…the angel of the Lord…smote…an hundred four score and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning … they were all dead….”
2KI 20:11 The shadow on a sun dial moves backwards.
2CH 7:5, 8-9 Solomon sacrificed 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep in one week. This is 845+ animals per hour, 14+ animals per minute, for seven days straight.
2CH 21:20, 22:1-2 Ahaziah was forty-two when he became king; he succeeded his father, who died at the age of forty. Thus, Ahaziah was two years older than his father. [Note: Some translations use "twenty-two" here in an attempt to rectify this discrepancy. The Hebrew is clear, however, that 2CH 22:2 is 42. The Hebrew words involved are Strong's H705 and H8147, "forty" and "two," respectively.]
2CH 13:3 Abijah sent 400,000 men into battle against Jeroboam’s 800,000 men. This is a total of 1,200,000 men, all of them Jews. (Note: Assuming one additional woman per man of fighting age, plus two persons per man [either older persons or children] would put the Jewish population of the surrounding area at a minimum of 4,800,000 persons; hardly feasible.)
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slain in a single battle. (Note: This is more than were lost in any single battle of World War II, and even exceeds the number of deaths that resulted from the dropping of the atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.)
ES 6:6, JB 19:27, PS 7:9, 16:7, 73:21, PR 23:7, 16, IS 10:7, JE 11:20, 17:10, 20:12, MT 9:4, LK 2:19, 9:47, AC 8:22, RO 10:9-10, HE 4:12, RE 2:23 (See KJV especially.) Thought occurs in the heart. The kidneys (“reins”) are the seat of conscience.(Note: This is not merely a poetic use of these terms, as is now claimed. In early times, it was actually believed that various body organs other than the brain were responsible for our thoughts, feelings, actions and the like. The heart was believed to be the seat of thought processes and beliefs, while the kidneys were thought to be the seat of conscience.)
JB 9:6 (KJV) God shakes the earth out of its place and makes its pillars tremble.
JB 9:7 God can make the sun not rise and seal up the stars.
JB 28:28, PS 111:10, PR 1:7, 9:10, 15:33, IS 33:6 Fear of the Lord is equated with obtaining wisdom.
PS 58:8 Slugs and/or snails melt as they move.
PS 121:6 It is apparently possible to suffer moonstroke as well as sunstroke.
PR 19:23, 22:4 Fear of the Lord brings freedom from trouble(s). Humility and fear of the Lord bring wealth, honor, and life.
PR 20:30 Blows that wound cleanse away evil.
IS 30:26 The moon will someday be as bright as the sun now is. (Note: Until relatively recent times, the moon and the planets were thought to give off their own light.)
IS 38:8 The shadow of the Sun is made to move backwards.
IS 40:22 The earth is a circle. (Note: The earth is really a sphere, not a circle, and this verse does not imply a sphere as some believers like to infer.)
JE 20:7, EZ 14:9 Jeremiah says that the Lord deceived his own prophet. God himself says that he deceives his own prophets in order to get rid of them.
EZ 37:1-10 Dry bones come alive.
AM 8:9 The Sun will be made to set at noon in “clear day.”
MT 4:8 There is a high mountain from which all the kingdoms of the world can be seen. (Note: This implies a flat earth.)
MT 4:23-24, 9:32-33, 12:22, 17:14-18, MK 1:23-26, 32-34, 5:2-16, 9:17-29, 16:9, LK 11:14, 4:33-35, 8:2, 27-36, 9:38-42, AC 8:7, 16:16-18 Both physical and mental illness are caused by demon possession and can be cured by exorcism.
MT 7:7-8, LK 11:9-10 Ask and it will be given. Seek and you will find. Everyone who asks, receives.
MT 13:41 Jesus will send his angels to purge his kingdom of evildoers and sin. (Note: How did evildoers get into his kingdom in the first place?)
MT 17:20, 21:21, MK 9:23, 10:27, 11:23, LK 17:6 Faith can move mountains. Nothing is impossible if you have faith [as small as] a grain of mustard seed.
MT 18:19 If two [believers] agree about anything they ask, God will do it for them.
MT 21:22, MK 11:24 Whatever you ask in prayer, if you have faith, you will receive it.
MT 24:29-30 Although the sun and the moon have been darkened and the stars have fallen from heaven, there is still enough light to see.
MT 26:52 All who take the sword will perish by it.
MT 27:52-53 The bodies of dead saints arise and go in force in the city.
MK 11:12-14, 20-21 Jesus curses a fig tree for not bearing fruit out of season. (Note: Rather than cause the fig tree to wither and to bear fruit never again, he could have performed a miracle and made it bear fruit even out of season.)
MK 16:17-18 Those who believe are able to handle snakes and drink any deadly poison without suffering harm.
LK 1:39-42 The fetus in Elizabeth’s womb jumps for joy when Elizabeth hears Mary (who is pregnant with Jesus).
LK 22:28-30 Jesus assigns each of his twelve disciples (including Judas, his betrayer) a place (or throne) in his kingdom.
JN 6:24-30 A large crowd of persons (probably several thousand) asks Jesus for a sign so that they might see and believe. This occurs immediately following the Feeding of the Multitude which should have been one of the greatest miracles and most convincing signs of all time.
JN 8:51 Jesus says: “… if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.”
JN 12:34 A crowd of persons (speaking in unison?) asks Jesus a thirty word question.
JN 16:23 Jesus says: “Whatever you ask in my name, my Father will give you.”
RO 10:17-18, CN 1:23 The gospel had already been preached to every living creature even in Paul’s time.
2CO 12:2 There are at least three heavens.
2CO 12:4 There are things which cannot be told–things which man cannot utter.
GA 1:8-9 An angel (from God?) who preaches a gospel contrary to that of Paul will incur Paul’s wrath.
1TI 5:11 Younger widows want to marry because their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ.
1TI 6:10 The love of money is the root of all evil(s). (Note: Some translations emend the text to read, “The love of money is the root of all kinds of evils,” or something similar, in an attempt to ameliorate an obvious problem. Those additional words are not there in the Greek of the oldest and most reliable manuscripts.)
TS 1:12 “One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are always liars ….” (Figure the logic of this verse–if you can!)
HE 7:1-3 Melchizedek had no mother or father, no beginning or end.
RE 14:1-4 Heaven is to be inhabited in part by 144,000 virgin men who have not been “defiled” by women.
RE 21:16 The city of New Jerusalem (where the residents of heaven reside) is only about 1500 miles square.

jesus was anti religion..

The Bible says charitable works and good deeds do not make you acceptable to God.  You must have faith to believe that Jesus shed his blood on the cross for the remission of your sins.  When you believe this, you must be baptized in the name of Jesus to be saved.  Read Acts 2:38 if you want your sins forgiven.  It works.

The Bible referrences homosexuality (and it’s sinful nature) in:  Leviticus, Deuteronomy, 1Samuel, 1Kings, 2Kings, Isaiah, Daniel, Romans, 1Cornithians, 1Timothy, 2Timothy, Jude, and a possible referrence in Revelations (according to translation).  Regardless of what some will tell you, it is not hard to find in The Bible.  And, it is not hard to understand, or ambiguous.

Such classy questions… Ill be glad when they go off the air.

Hey Wayne, even you can not cover up the Cat Sh-t Franklin left on the Mornin” Joe set this morning, it stinks man… Really Bad… Franklin came out as the Bigot he is, and the world saw the religious hit job he made on a Sitting United States President… If you hate the man at least respect the office…

These asshole talking heads wont be asking about christianity after the nomination because the only answer will be “Reverend Wright and the Church of Killing White People and Hating America” by November Obama will be screaming, “Im a Muslim! Im a Muslim!”

#1–i said Jesus never said anything about it so that makes YOU ignorant right?
now if you want to go OT and say gays should be killed–please just say so–
if you do not believe this–then YOU do not believe in the word of ‘God’–KAPICSH?
so YOU are wrong–YOU are judgemental and YOU are a hypocrite..
and yes the Bible and Jesus was very specific on those THANGS..
so quit judging–read the damn book if you want to call it divine and if you believe that gays should be killed–HAVE THE COURAGE TO SAY IT…
“”If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

is this what YOU believe????
OR ARE YOU A FAKE BELIEVER AS WELL???

We don’t know if Obama is a Christian. But we do know he is an idiot.

Mencius, if you’ve read The Bible, then you should know that it iws written that there is only one way to get to heaven.  Period.  Islam does not beleive in the same notion.  Also, Mormonism takes The Bible and adds it’s own text that has nothing to do with the original version of The Bible.  If you truly know your Bible, this would not be a hard thing to separate. 

 And I was born in New Mexico, giving me exactly the same authority to comment on what is and what is not a Christian as your Catholics, Episcopals, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians and Southern Babtists claim to hold.   Actually I was born into a Mormon Family.  They still are, I am not.  BUT that is my choice, and it makes no statement as to who does or who does not hold title to being a christian.  Religion is Religion and churches are made up of people,  People who are human and they have their own agendas,  many for good many for bad.  People for centuries have prostituted the Churches and continue to do so to this day,  Not Gods doing, Its people with agendas that just cant keep it clean and as intended.  Remember, God gave us all free will,  choose as you will, but dont then blame God for your mistakes in life.

I think you have a pretty good point, dcjesus, in that “religion” is a man-made thing.  God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit doesn’t ask you to “join” a religion….

 King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Then
spoke Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he
that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of
life.

Hey man, why are you so hateful?  I never said that to be a follower of christ means that we are perfect.  Far from it!  Also, I can’t explain other’s behavior.  I see the same hypocricy that you do, by the way.  My honest opinion is that a TRUE follower of Christ cannot be President because of the decisions that would have to be made that fo against The Word.  So, I see where you are coming from.  Jesus never said that we weren’t to make mistakes, partner–what is important to Jesus is what you do AFTER you make your mistakes.  As far as the “rights” that you are asking about, people choose to do things for their won reasons.  And, they will be judged for one day.   

 ”Th
“There was a man of the
Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to
Jesus by
night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher
come from
God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God
be with
him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto
thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of
God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can
he
enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus
answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water
and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That
which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the
Spirit
is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born
again” (John 3:1-7).

ere was a man of the
Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to
Jesus by
night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher
come from
God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God
be with
him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto
thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of
God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can
he
enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus
answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water
and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That
which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the
Spirit
is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born
again” (John 3:1-7).

I feel the same way about Obama.

jefwel, you are having some trouble understanding what I’ve written a couple of times now so I’ll try to be clearer. 

1. There are huge differences between the stories the religions teach. 

2. But in terms of how to act from a moral standpoint, they all teach the same handful of things: love one another, don’t steal, don’t lie, don’t cheat on your spouse, etc. 

Mencius, you are judging someone who you don’t know.  Why would you do that?  Because you saw MSNBC asking some questions that were inflammatory?  So, it’s not “cut and dry” as you say.  Also, The Bible does not say that being righ automatically eliminates you from salvation.  It DOES say that it will be harder to get there for a rich man.  However, what a rich man does with his money means more than anything, and I seriously doubt that you are aware of what the Graham’s do with their money.

No, probably has to do with him being FOS.

Christianity means a lot more than church
membership.

Confusion? It is only lack of faith on any of our part that concludes that. Everything is happening exactly as it is supposed to, like a sun flower seed that becomes a sun flower. Pain is part of the equation, but it is natural.

jesus was pretty clear about going to church/synogouges, praying in public or FOR THINGS..
i always thougt it very self absorbed for meager humans to believe that just because they say a ‘prayer’ some GOD will change the course of universal path and history to accomidate ie win a lotter ticket or ball game; heal lil suzie?
i mean if all things are preordained and God knows all..
for us silly hairless monkeys to feel we can instruct god–seem pretty funny at best—-
i just do not understand how people claim to believe in a book they have never read–or even worse read it, see the flaws and still caim divine consent..
i know i an just a simpleton who sees things as they literally are..i was just never smart enough to read the mind of God and get his/her hiddent meaning..
maybe i should pray and ask this God to change the trejectory of the universe to fit MY needs too?
hmmmm..maybe?
hehehe
silly huh?

Why couldn’t God just make everyone the same religion so we don’t have to argue and kill each other over who’s version of the creator is the right one? God must enjoy all the killing done in his name. 

FROTH ONLY CHRISTIAN RUNNING. REST ARE FRAUDS.

I’m seeing church and state not being all that separate lately.

I’m tired of hearing all the religiosity from politicians. 

it is not a matter of disagreement or subjetivity–it is a matter of truth..

if the sun is shining it is not up to debate whether it is dark or light right then -right there..
i do not believe you have read the bible and I woule bet –as i have 100′s of believers–you cannot even recite the 10 commandments..
i have yet to find one casual christian who could do so on the cuff..
go a head–try it..
and for those out there who want to play this game?
when someone comes to sale you some LORD–ask them to recite the top 10–
that shuts them up real fast..
for people to tell me to read a book they have and judge me for not believing it–BECAUSE I HAVE READ IT and know it a flawed at best..
is just reprehensible~

He ain’t the only one trying to “manipulate the meaning of the texts”.

Mencius, “moral codes” are only a small part of the equation.  Are you familiar with David in The Bible?  His morals were horrible!  He was not that great of a guy for much of his life, yet he was shown lots of favor by God.  Why?  Because his heart was FOR God.  You are ssuming that I’m not understanding what you’re trying to say, but I do get it.  Too many people try to equate the “moral codes” of the different religions, but that is not what it’s about.  There are groups of people in The Bible who lived by a strict “moral code” (religion) but were not in God’s favor because of it. That moral code that you being up–well, David broke lots several of the ten commandments, yet there more books of The Bible devoted to him than just about anybody else because of God’s favor on him.  Moral code was not the primary issue. 

This is not your own personal blog, keep it shorter next time.

Christianity supplies a Hell for the people who disagree with you and a Heaven for your friends.

dcjesus, if you read The Bible, it doesn’t tell you to just pray for things you want.  This is a VERY common misconception.  Prayer is about so much more than hoping to win a lottery ticket.  Your comment show that you are not familiar with what The Bible says about these things–it seems you are just referrencing what you may have heard that it says.  Noenetheless, before you make an intellectual comment on smoething, you should probably know about it beforehand.

It matters because Christians are an enormously strong voting bloc and they want to vote for the person they view as the strongest Christian. That way, the President will advance their religious views while in office. Don’t forget, if you’re not a strong enough Christian, there is no way you could possibly be a good president.

dcjesus, why are you so angry?  None of us on this post have ever done anything to you?  You are making so many judgements about things you couldn’t possibly know.  If you seemed to be a reasonable person, I would be glad to discuss some of things with you, but you seems to be so filled with hate an disdain, that I don’t think you’d listen to anyone with an opinion other that your own.

Thank you for your kind words.

The free pass is what was mentioned.  By Franklin Graham as in, ” Islam has gotten a free pass under Obama.”.

So dcjesus, are saying that The Bible is flawed?  What gives you the knowledge to make that determination?  If you know your Bible, like you say you do, you shoudl be aware it says that certain people will try to distor what the Bible says–and that they will be judged especially hard. 

Religious or Party “certitude” can endanger civil society and when combined are fertile ground for a fascist or theocratic state!!!

Mormons believe in Christ, but much of their dogma is supplemental to the Bible. So what? With over 5000 denominations just in the US, clearly Christians do not always agree on theology. Is that a reason for not voting for Mitt, because his beliefs differ from someone elses? It could be, that depends on the person. I have been making the argument that a silent 25% of the republican party will not vote for Mitt because they do not understand his Mormon beliefs. They are afraid of them. I do not think that is justified, but nevertheless they are. My argument is that Mitt should come out and allow his beliefs to be scrutinized, let the Mormon faith go through a kind of trial of public opinion. Then Mitt will have the chance to put it all in perspective in such a way as to remove people’s hesitation on supporting him, like Kennedy did. Sure, Mitt’s religious beliefs are personal and private, and he could argue that they are off limits, but he loses votes by doing that. IMHO.

jesus was very clear about prayer–and yes i have read the bible..
the bible itself is unclear abut most things..
but jesus clearly says DO NOT PRAY TO GOD–HE KNOWS WHAT YOU  NEED…
so the fact that you can pose apposing points is proof the bible is flawed and pretty much NOT of God..

Pug, are you saying that I am manipulating themeanings of the text?  If so, please explain to me how I’ve done this.

Christianity supplies a fairytale about Heaven and Hell to make it easier for the clergy to control their flock and maintain their power. I mean, honestly, does anyone think this through: there’s really a Hell, where the damned spend all eternity in hellfire and pain. And there’s a Heaven, where the righteous spend all eternity in happiness and peace. What is wrong with people? People spend their entire lives believing this claptrap. If you’re taught this as a kid, I understand. You don’t know any better. But after the age of 16, anyone who seriously believes that unless they live as Christianity teaches they’re going to a place where their flesh will burn for all time is an idiot.

there is no anger–there is no opining…there is not gray..
jesus is very clear on feeding the poor, healing the sick, how to pray, what to do with your wealth and how to deal with your enemies…
the fact that you say i am filled with hate shows you are judgemental and hateful and again–NOT a christian..
and i hope you are dancing..
i will be trying to feed the hungry and heal the sick and eduated the ignroant..
dance on princess..your reward will be here on earth~

Max, I understand precisely what you mean.  My best friends father was a Congregational minister and like you, I met people of all sorts of faith at their dinner table.  The young people were expected to participate and were free to ask questions. Looking back, intolerence was what was discouraged.  I valued that time in my life greatly.

 So you believe the money has some magical properties that it taints the person hold it to the point that he/she is now eliminated from ever gaining Heaven.   What if the writer was saying money has a habit of causing some weak men/women to loose their values toward God and Man to the point they feel they dont need God or Man.  Such folks will find it tuff getting to Heaven for sure. 

If I met someone who told me they were a Christian, and was mostly a pretty good guy, but also did some really, REALLY terrible stuff — let’s say that they liked to go out and beat up black people, or steal money from little old ladies, or do some other terrible thing — I would have grave doubts about whether they REALLY were a Christian.  Their behavior just doesn’t jibe with their claimed faith.

Most practicing Christians, whether evangelical or Catholic, look at Obama and see a mixed bag.  Good family man; guy who’s worked hard, has shown a genuine concern for others; BUT — he was showing concern for others before he claims to have become a Christian, so you can’t really count that as evidence; and his support for abortion is, to most of us, a terrible, terrible thing, and cause for significant doubt. Then add to that the bizarre answer he gives to why he became a Christian — that in order to work as a community organizer he has to go to church?  I became a Christian because I was lost in my sin, separated from God, and badly in need of saving. That’s the answer any Christian I know would have given. That’s the only answer to the question that’s really consistent with the Bible.  So that answer, also, causes doubt.

All of that doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy, or even that he shouldn’t be President; but Christian? Maybe; but I do have my doubts.  And none of those doubts has the LEAST do do with his race.

“are saying that The Bible is flawed?  What gives you the knowledge to make that determination?”

I JUST POSTED DOZENS OF FLAWS…
if you would read instead of dance in your head..you may not have to ask silly questions to obvious answers..

did you just read the long post i put above with the dozens of flaws in the bible and was harrangued for>>>>>>
see unlike YOU believers..
i actually support my ‘opinions’…WITH FACTS..
so why don;t YOU go back and prove me wrong…
and you still have not said if you believe gas should be murdred AS THE BIBLE SAY AND AS I POSTED AS WELL…
praise the lord

Yes, but these kind of nuts would do it for nothing.

Not surprised by his stupid answer. I don’t like this jerk and I didn’t like his father. Remember Nixon’s tapes that have the elder Graham saying terrible things about Jews. Remember the comments from this jerk on 9/11? He may claim to be a Christian, but his words and actions do not support that claim.

What you should have written, but didn’t:  Mormons are Mormons, Jews are Jewish, Muslims are Muslims, Pagans are Pagans, Buddists are Buddists, Catholics are Catholics, but only Christians are Christians.  So what is the big problem? 

Well said Mr Graham, now sit back and watch liberals head explode. 

As an Atheist I enjoy reading all this. I feel SO liberated from this nonsense!

dcjesus, you are making claims about prayer that are not true.  You said that:  “but jesus clearly says DO NOT PRAY TO GOD–HE KNOWS WHAT YOU NEED…” This is wrong.  What is said is to keep it brief.  However, the Lord also tells us HOW to pray, and if we do not follow this, do not be surprised if prayers are not answered as we would like them to be.  Here is some proof of what I am saying, as I am not offering “opposing” viewpoits, I am offering the TRUTH:  read James 4:3, and John 14: 13-14.  dcjesus, you are fomring very hateful opinions, and you may have read The Bible, but it much more clear than you may think.  dcjesus, I have offered youwhat is written in The Bible, not my opinion. 

>> GE 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heaven(s) and the earth.” (One
might ask what “existed,” and where God dwelt, before he created heaven
and earth. Of course, if God were pure spirit the question could be
considered moot, but inasmuch as the God of the Bible allegedly
participated in a wrestling match, ate solid food, was seen face to
face, spoke with Moses, etc., it would seem that he possesses physical
attributes, including form.)

I would love to engage you in debate on this one topic; but suffice for now to say that the majority of the physical things you refer to God doing were AFTER “The word became flesh and dwelt among them.”  Yes, Jesus became flesh.  Prior to his birth, he was not flesh; and God continues to live as both spirit and (in Christ) a resurrected body.

On your last one, the city of Jerusalem is 1500 miles square, yes; and also 1500 miles tall.  That’s VERY large for a city, no?

Because of your misrepresentation and lack of understanding, I’m not going to waste time reading anything between those two.

 I personally feel it would be a mistake to let Mitts Religion be your deciding factor for giving him your vote.  I cant accept Mormonism as my religion but I can tell you, they are great people and they take care of their own,  They dont need welfare.  They have programs for everyone, kids, mothers, dads,  and sinners like me.  Yea you can find an idiot among them,  a thief among them just as in any other entity you can name. 

I lived for 3 years in Mexico,  the same town all the Romneys down there live in.  Great people all of them,  But I can also say I had a problem with one of the Mitt cousins too,   not a very christiany guy.  I can also tell  you this,  the last time Mitt ran for President this was the only Romney who had a Mitt for Pres bumper sticker on his truck.  I dont know if that meant anything or not.

I’m not hateful by and large, I just dislike people who have decided that religion should be used as a weapon to push their own personal prejudices onto other people. which is why I have a huge problem with Rick Santorum and his il and get offended when they declare that they somehow speak for all Christians.and their interpretation is the only one that matters, especially when it flies in the face of the teachings of Jesus.

Still, if they really do believe, they’ll be judged harshly in the end for that way they’re abusing religion for personal gain. :)

“GE 9:12-16 God first creates the rainbow. (Note: Apparently the laws having to do with refraction of light were null and void prior to this time.)”

I cut and pasted one of your “facts.”  If you want to stand in front of the Creator of all things on judgement day and tell him that he couldn’t have possibly created a rainbow because of “refraction of light” issues, please feel free.  Perhaps God will forgive you for misrepresenting his Word so willfully. 

How do you know that?

You need therapy.

So he
would rather the race live with war, hate and intolerance for the other
religions over a single message?  Are
people who all believe in the same kind of religion robots?  You are losing me.

Perhaps you misunderstood. Personally I am cool with a Mormon being president, and I think the real Mitt, the moderate, would be a good president. But lots of people, without really saying anything, have their doubts about his religion. Mitt can just leave it alone if he wants, and conceed those votes, but he may not even get the republican nomination if he does. Someone might ask, why do we elect someone who believes, religiously, that America is going to melt down? Wouldn’t Mitt be inclined to hasten the demise of say, for example, NYC, since that is one of the cities that the Mormons predict will be demolished when God’s wrath comes to America?

[Hawk, Feel free to use any available space above to respond]

So people now have to pass a “purity test” to be accepted as Christians?  Self-righteousness, thy name is Franklin Graham.

In any case, since when should theology and religious beliefs dictate public policy decisions?
Obama understands the distinction between his Christian values and his role as POTUS, something that the pietistic, theocracy-minded social conservatives will never comprehend.

blind faith for sure..

let me help you tiny dancer..
1. for rainbows to exist you need water and light..
2. so one of these did not exist before the flood–correct?
3. that means no waterfalls, to mists and no rains right?

and of course you still have not answered if you think gays should be killed and washed in their blood..
come on tiny dancers–do not be a hypocrite too to top your ignorance and bline faith in the face of obvious truths..

The New Testament manuscripts were written in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic originally not English as English did not exists at this point. The Greek word for Christian found in these passages is: Christiano meaning a follower of Christos (Christ). Christos means anointed/Messiah. Mashiach is the word for Messiah in Hebrew and Paraclete is the word for Christ in Hebrew. The original disciples never had any formal “name” for themselves but were later called Christians by the Romans who occupied Antioch Greece in which the word had a very different meaning in those ancient days!Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_times_does_the_word_Christian_appear_in_the_Bible#ixzz1n307AoyB

No surprise to see Graham show up on the side with the goats.

practicing christians killed millions, hung black folks, raped young boys and blew up buildings..
christians ?
the mafia, kkk, the settlers, white supremecists, IRA –slave owners and indian massacrists and women burners and lalalalala
ya –we know christians well..
we hear their hate for their brothers, other relgions as they want their faith held sacred..
yes we know them well~

Not true.  Zoroastrianism also believes in Hell, and it is arguable that ancient Egyptian Khemticism has a Hell-concept.

jesus is clear on prayer..
jesus never said anything about being ‘brief’…
let me help you tiny dancer..
“Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” “

It is incredulous to me that you people understand so little of Christianity. The real  fairy tale is your Utopian view of some unicorn and rainbow universe without morals, boundaries, consequences or personal responsibility. Your hatred and vitriol alone proves that isn’t possible unless you completely destroy – by word or deed – those with whom YOU disagree. 

Try Googling “missionary” (of whom Franklin Graham is one) in Google News – and see who it is, exactly, that you oppose so vehemently and think about what your world would be like without these selfless individuals who give their time, homes, money and, many times, their very lives for something greater than self.

People do not offer their lives for fairy tales. Believe it or not, yours is not the only brilliant mind in the universe.

name one

hthttp://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html

The Christian Extremist Suspect in Norway’s Massacre

http://articles.exchristian.net/2002/10/how-many-people-have-been-killed-by.php
i will do better..
don’t be stupid ok?

christians are historiclly murdrers and rapist from the crusades to modern radicals..
the fact that you deny it shows you are a phony and a hypocirte..

I’m not in pain, just wondering why people believe in so many different gods and religions.  Not a great plan, but that is just me.

What makes the bible right?

Just supply a link for the interested.

“Name one”

That is a joke right?

You all for the magic christians,just like graham are ruining this world with your crap and who is the “real christian”puts one group against another…Not an Obama fan but these ridiculous arguments about whether he is a Christian are stupid….as for Mitt Romney,he follows  his religion as a good and faithful husband and father and provider…whether he is a proper “christian” according to the son of a preacher makes him look like a bigot(as he appears to be)!

I didn’t deny anything… I simply asked you to name one.
Anders Behring Breivik was a very confused man.  I don’t know his daily life, but he probably wasn’t a devout christian. They don’t the way he did.  A christian studies the bible, applies it to their life – DAILY… and yes, still makes mistakes, but tries to fix them.  A christian is devoted to a life serving others.

Matt. 7:22-27 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”

Love God, Love your fellowmankind, Love yourself – and you will be judged by your higher power, no matter what jew, morman, islamist, christian or man may say.  and Obama was baptized, paid tithes and attended church (regardless of the sometime out of bounds sermons that may have been preached) those are the outward requirements to being a christian.  So Rev. Graham even by your standards he is a christian.

May The Force Be With You (Obi Wan Kenobi ESB)

It also tells you to kill your female family member if she is not virgin on her weddingnight and children who don’t listen; you kill any women and children lately?

Not true. Buddists and Hindu believe in torment after death.

Did it sound like a joke?  Sorry.  I’ll change the text next time.

The panel did a good job of exposing the cracker a** snake handler. Big shout out to my girl Alex, and brother Willie. They both looked like they wanted to either slap the sh^t out (Alex) or kick his a$$(geiss). It’s Koch suckers like him that give detractors and atheist all the ammo they need to broad brush all Christians. My the con man Graham go straight to hell.

I think so little of this man that I cannot even comment.

I think you’re confusing an American and a Christian…  the bible says to love your neighbor and serve others.  Live for Christ.  Obey the things He has commanded.

If you really know what you were talking about, you’d know that all sorts of evil things are done in “The Lord’s” name, but that doesn’t mean it’s of The Lord.  It tell you that this will happen in The Bible, which you claim to have read.

In three words, blunt and absolute, Jesus commanded us, “Do not judge” (Matt. 7:1). But did he really mean that we should never judge others? He goes on to suggest that it’s not the act of judging but the attitude with which we do it that God is most concerned about—”For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged” (7:2).
There are other Scriptures that either cloud or shed light on the issue. Paul told the Christians in Rome not to judge one another (Rom. 14:13) but taught the Corinthians that they were to judge sinful believers and leave people outside the church to God (1 Cor. 5:12-13). James said he who judges his brother speaks against the law (4:11) but also implied that our judgments of others must be done with mercy (2:12-13).
Common sense suggests that if no one ever judged other people, there would be no real human community. In a sinful world, no community can exist for long where nobody is ever held accountable: no teacher would grade a student’s performance; no citizen would sit on a jury or call a failed leader to account. And, when you come to think of it, nobody would ever forgive anyone for wrongs he had done; we only forgive people for what we blame them, and we blame them only after we have judged them.
I would suggest that, in our day and age, we need more—not less—judgment. Modern Americans suffer from a fear of judging. Passing judgment on the behavior of fellow human beings is considered an act of medieval, undemocratic intolerance.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/october1/29.70.html

Nope. He was a practicing Jew.

Of course Mormons aren’t Christians. Or they would call themselves Christians. Mormonism includes a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with Christianity and that in fact contradicts many basic Christian beliefs. It is a completely separate religion. Which of course doesn’t make it WORSE in any way than Christianity or any other religion, just different. Might as well be honest about it.

christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/october1/29.70

In three words, blunt and absolute, Jesus commanded us, “Do not judge” (Matt. 7:1). But did he really mean that we should never judge others? He goes on to suggest that it’s not the act of judging but the attitude with which we do it that God is most concerned about—”For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged” (7:2).
There are other Scriptures that either cloud or shed light on the issue. Paul told the Christians in Rome not to judge one another (Rom. 14:13) but taught the Corinthians that they were to judge sinful believers and leave people outside the church to God (1 Cor. 5:12-13). James said he who judges his brother speaks against the law (4:11) but also implied that our judgments of others must be done with mercy (2:12-13).
Common sense suggests that if no one ever judged other people, there would be no real human community. In a sinful world, no community can exist for long where nobody is ever held accountable: no teacher would grade a student’s performance; no citizen would sit on a jury or call a failed leader to account. And, when you come to think of it, nobody would ever forgive anyone for wrongs he had done; we only forgive people for what we blame them, and we blame them only after we have judged them.
I would suggest that, in our day and age, we need more—not less—judgment. Modern Americans suffer from a fear of judging. Passing judgment on the behavior of fellow human beings is considered an act of medieval, undemocratic intolerance.

Good catch: Blah blah blah people, once they all were serfs, Yes sir, yes sir, kick them like their nerfs. Franklin Graham must figure the way to honor his father is to tear down everything he ever stood for. I had thought that Mittens was the whitest white guy in captivity, but I think this guy at least matches him. They’re blood brothers in fatuous. 

Firstly, why do you call me “tiny dancer?”  In case you’re not educated enough to know, the referrence I made a few posts ago was called a “figure of speech.”  I actually don’t dance.  I ama gun-toting fellow who used to wrestle with cows and steers in the rodeo.  My dad and uncle used to ride bulls and bucking horses, so I come pretty touch “stock.” What have you ever done, other than try and insulot everyone you meet?  I’ve done my fair share of fighting, too.  So, if you choose to show your ignorance by calling me childish names, you might want ot get your facts straight.  One of these days, someone might just kick your ass over your vile comments like that.  Second, am I understanding now that you are beyond reasoning. You actually can’t figure out how the omnipotent being that created the universe can actually make a rainbow.  Incredible.  Intellect is required for an adult discussion beyond your fascination with dancers.  As for your bellowing about my not answering your question about gays being killed:  you never asked that question of me.  So, once again, you cannot get your facts straight.  That has become very obvious to all of us.  You can go ahead and call me more names, if you like.

Only a portion of this Earth is Christian. So the world doesn’t specifically need Christianity in order to be moral. There are countless millions of non-Christians and non-theists who are moral. In fact, evidence of  non-Christian-based morality is proof of this fact. So I’ll thank you for not insulting hundreds of millions of non-Christians by implying that one must be Christian in order to be a good person.

christian has nothing to do with the bible
JOHN 3:16 is what christian is all about
who so EVER believe
Mr. gram is dead wrong about this
he said it himself they believe
how can one believe in christ
and not be a christians THEOLOGIC
thats for man  god theologic is this is my son
who i am proud of so any person that confess and believe in
their heart christ is lord of lords is a
christian
HAVE ANY ONE HEARD POTUS CONFESS CHRIST
if not no man knows
 

The “writer” was Jesus, according to the gospels. I don’t believe in the Bible. I’m just repeating what’s in it, and it explicitly says you can more easily push a camel through the eye of a needle than get a rich man into heaven. Translation: it’s impossible to be rich and get into heaven. There are plenty of other parts of the New Testament that purportedly quote directly from Jesus that make it clear that true believers should give up their money, stay away from moneylenders and embrace poverty. It’s in all four gospels. 

And Muslims have that SAME bible, that SAME New Testament, and a third bible (the Koran). That’s it then, the Christian litmus test: how many books you read. One is too few, three is too many, two is just right. All those kids who read Harry Potter? Going to Hell, they are. 

So much ignorance…  Please read the WHOLE THING (old and new testament) before commenting on things you do not know about.  It is amazing to me that so many people 1.) judge it before they ACTUALLY READ IT, and 2.)  take small bits out of the entire text to make a point to suit themselves. 

well tiny dancer–there is no way of me know when you are being hyperbolic or truthful now is there?
i love you you faithful attack me for being attcking..insult me for being unsulting..
i love how you become what you claim to despise ..
you people are too funny..
you know nothingn about your faith, religion or your own hearts..
you are filled with self righteus hate and fear and you deny your own eyes and cut off your own noses for fake faith..
you would follow satan if he claimed to love jesus..
which of course the mytholoical devil does love jesus..FYI

CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION   RELIGION IS A PRACTICE
CHRISTIANITY IS A FAITH

It is so unbelievably easy to understand why, IF you care to read The Bible.  Ignorance is no excuse. 

FREE WILL or are you just being differcult

Again, if you read The Bible, it explains pretty much everything that is being asked on this forum.  Did you know that it even talk about hgow to seduce a woman?  Song of Solomon–look it up.  You see, The Bible touched on most everything, if you take the time to search for it.Regarding differeing “religions, look it up–it’s there.

thanks for your opinion now
are you part of the solution or problem

CRAZY as it may be EVERYTHING we enjoy in the u s is directly from
CHRISTIANITY
 

Hey dcjesus, regarding–comments about prayer needing to be “brief”, your sample of verses is not the only place it talks about prayer in The Bible.  You really should get your facts straight before spewing inaccurate info.

I like #3 that means no waterfalls, to mists and no rains right?

The first rain fall was when Noah built the ark… hence people thought he was crazy for building it.  There was possibly a huge frozen globe around the earth?  part of the mystery of the bible.  Either way, God flooded the earth.. and now there are waterfalls, storms, and even rainbows.

CATHOLIC  ARE  CHRISTIANS

Is it? I thought everything we enjoyed in the U.S. is from a number of sources, including our non-Christian, Deist Founding Fathers, the secular culture we inherited from nations like England and elsewhere, and our adoption of scientific traditions as handed to us by Greece, the Middle East, Rome, China, France, Germany, Spain, Russia, Italy, India, Egypt, etc, etc. 

I’m part of the problem. 

RUINING The u s was founded on people coming to worship CHRIST
or should i say CHRISTIANS

CASE CLOSED

CHRISTIANITY IS not what you do but what you BELIEVE

THEY ALSO HUNG WHITE FOLKS

SHALL WE JUDGE ALL BY FEW

Well, my calling it “an old saying” should have clued you in, but perhaps that is asking a bit much of you.  Again, you need to get your facts straight–I never claimed to despise anything, as I am human.  As far as your ridiculous statement that I don’t anything about my faith, religion or my own hearts…  that is a arrogant claim, but not surprising coming from you–the person who can’t seem to figure out how God should not be able to make a rainbow due to glass refraction issues (there are lot’s more of these funny tidbits in your long and winding blog).  By the way, why are you so obsessed with dancers and being gay?

i take it you are joking right?

since no plants can grow without rain and sunshine? hence rainbows?

and if it never rained and people saw water falling from the sky for the first time–i bet there would be mass hysteria right?
i mean if you saw fire falling from the sky you may take some guy serious who claimed the world was going to burn up?

but again–i assume this was a joke since you claim the earth was once a snow globe with out the snow of course..

http://blogs.trb.com/news/opinion/chanlowe/blog/2011/12/chan_lowe_the_solution_for_val.html      Just google  ..Chan Lowe + the solution for values voters….. very fitting and you will appreciate it.

THE WORLD BEING FLAT WAS A TEACHING ALSO

Wel, Obama wants to send $800,000,000 to The Muslim Brotherhood who now runs egypt.  They are an “old school”, shariah law bunch of dudes, so why is Obama trying to help them?  THis is just one example from the last few days.  There are plenty more.

Who effin’ cares?  Religion should have no basis when it comes to electing government, or so says the Constitution.  Politicians who think otherwise are un-American.  Anyway, debate the merits all you like,  anyone who insists they know what God is thinking obviously doesn’t think much of Him.

why do you hate so? why so much anger?
while you are spiting your bothers in hell..
I will be dancing–feeding the hungry and healing the sick..

:)
peace lil sister..
“Sail Away Sweet SisterSail across the seaMaybe you find somebodyWho loves you half as much as me”

Nah, he’s too busy defrauding the federal government –

http://www.theawl.com/2011/01/our-government-funded-mission-to-make-haiti-christian-your-tax-dollars-billy-grahams-son-monsanto-and-sarah-palin

“I don’t know his daily life, but he probably wasn’t a devout christian”

hahahahahaha

ya that is usually the problem with christians…
just having a bad FAITH DAY..
what ever..

Why would I want to read a text written over centuries by men?  I have dozens of people who are willing to interpret it for me, and none do it for profit or power so I know I can trust them,

Notice dcjesus, I didn’t say you were wrong about Jesus not saying anything about homosexuality.  However, The Bible is very clear about homosexuality, and being the God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are s one, your assertion is a little misleading.  Was your point that Jesus had no problem with it?  Then why put it that way? You are a fool to keep calling names. I never claimed to be perfect, nbor do I think I don’t get prideful and angry sometimes. The difference in you and I is that I am man enough to admit it and ask forgiveness from The Lord. You are just foolish and hateful, you really should “man up” and stop acting like a child. I pity the people that have to be around you on a daily basis. they need prayers, for sure.

Nice to see Franklin Graham take a break from defrauding the federal government to do his part for the Obama reelection campaign.

http://www.theawl.com/2011/01/our-government-funded-mission-to-make-haiti-christian-your-tax-dollars-billy-grahams-son-monsanto-and-sarah-palin

At least we can all agree that organized religion is bullshit!  Now let’s get back to discussing more important things like the economy, global warming and Iran’s nuclear program.

Mormonism is a polytheistic religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_of_gods

Complete wastes of life & space are Frank and Joe.  Repulsive.

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen posted.

Not sure any of us can interpret that last message, dcjesus.

An idiot who was the President of the Harvard Law Revue, and one of the youngest Presidents.  And actually we do know he is a Christian, just because he doesn’t wear his beliefs on his sleeve and have them define him doesn’t make his less so.  Not that it matters Constitutionally. 

And that works for you.  You have faith that God exists.  I believe if he does it is not in a way that can be interpreted by a book written by men.  Since I don’t know, I keep my faith to myself, who am I to say I am right when it’s a matter of belief that cannot be properly debated (with facts.)  I wish politicians would do the same, you know, like the Constitution prescribes.

There is an underlying issue within this man’s soul that is unsettling.  I wouldn’t buy a used car from this guy.

I have read the bible, a few times in fact. I found it to be a pretty poorly written book overall with very little to do with an elightened human experience. It seemed to be filled with the writings of ignorant men, even for their time. Murder, slavery, genocide, rape and every other kind of horror one human could impose on another. There was nothing about free will, it seemed to be pretty clear, follow me or die, and that guy Jesus in the NT brought us Hell. Men at least in the OT when you died you were done with the pain, but he gave us eternal damnation, what a guy.

So where is the wisdom and the plan for living in this world?

You all are so boring.  Religion is stupid.

Regardless what the Bible says and how you interpret it does not make it true. And if you spent more time examing where the writings originated from, and how they were edited and adapted to be used politically (centuries after Jesus died) you might not be so confident that it is the word of God.  Bless you all!

i want you to say that you agree thay gays should be killed…
yes i believe that jesus had no problem with gays and may have been gay himself..

so i stoop by me beliefs–do you?
or are you a fake like the rest of the phonies who like to pick and choose pieces of the OT to support their hate??
tell me tiny dancer once and for all–i have asked several times now..
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT GAYS SHOULD BE KILLED AS NOTED IN THE BIBLE>>>>>>
YES OR NO???

I’m not being difficult, but I understand defending religion is difficult. Free will is a meaningless statement when one is asked why didn’t the creator of the universe get the message straight.

Hahaha

Franklin was expelled from College in 1971 for locking a women in his closet. Maybe he has some issues on his own.

Nicely put.  Thank God it’s (the Bible) not true and I can die in peace.

Well that is depatable since he was crucified for NOT practing? and he was very clear for people to avoid synogouges???
i think there is a case to be made that Jesus wanted to practice judaism as he saw it –but he was defintely not a practicing Jew of his time

This guy is doing the impossible. he is making me like Obama.  Oh I hate you old white guy with dumb ideas. 

I hate people who go around judging people like this.  What make this country so great is that we were suppose to be above that religious BS in politics and here he is trying to drag us back to 1772. If I don’t hear about religion again this election season I would be a happy person.  America is composed of more than ‘the right christians” and these people better get used to it. 

Please lord restore my faith in politics make Ron Paul President. lol

Once you ask just the right questions, the bigot shows his true stripes. Everyone thinks his father was such a great christian man, but ignore his racist, right-wing ideology. Do your work, use Google, find the truth. I will even give you a hint: start with his association with Richard Nixon.

You said: “I wonder why the creator of the universe couldn’t get his message across to everyone thus avoiding all this confusion. There must be some reason but I just can’t put my finger on it.”

And I am suggesting that what you call confusion is perfectly normal (and thus only seems like confusion).

Jesus “according to his custom on the sabbath day, he entered into the synagogue (at Nazareth), and he stood up to read” Luke 4:16
He celebrated Passover and other festivals of the Jews (John 12:12)
He taught the commandments. (Matthew 19:17)
He was a practicing Jew.

What about W?  Pretty sure the 100k+ civilians that have been killed in Iraq didn’t all have it coming.

You are how you treat other people.  Real Christians treat all people as if they are also Christians.  That is, unless they want to be treated differently like nonChristians.

If Catholics want to be considered Christians, then they should act as Christians act.  I didn’t make the rule.

I bet Reverend Wright was totally indignant also.
Shocked! I telll you

It is sad that it
took something as extreme as the 9 / 11 tragedy to uncover the true colors of
the religious right of this nation. I say this as someone with a degree in
Theology and Religion from 2 separate Christian universities. When I watch
liars, losers and self-serving charlatans on TV like Rick Santorum and Franklin
Graham, I am reminded why many people become atheists. Also, when I hear people
applaud the lie, fear and hate mongering these people promote and propagate, it
is clear that stupid, red neck ignorance is the dominant aspect of most church
goers and all republicans.

 That is a lie and you know it.

He is doing the same right wing dogwhistle BS Obama has faced for years.  This acorn of a hate-filled jackaS$ fell far from the tree of his father.  He should be ashamed of himself.

Irony the guy that said gay pride parades were responsible for 911 talking trash about the president responsible for killing the guy that actually did do 911.

Go away, Graham.  And for those that want to carry water for him, get ready for a heavier burden, as he is one mean old man that never backtracks on hate and stupidity, only repeats it.

By actully answering 20 leading questions in a row,
Disgracefull!
Thet should find some black pastor from california and ask HIM about Obamas faith,

“reverend wright, did you baptize either of the presidents young daughters”
“tell us more about the presidents faith”

 ”When
followers of a particular sect enter into commercial activity as a
matter of choice, the limits they accept on their own conduct as a
matter of conscience and faith are not to be superimposed on the
statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity.” -Anton Scalia (Employment Division v. Smith, Supreme Court Ruling)

Would Newt or Rick or Mitt be more acceptable if they attended Reverend Wrights school of “Keeping Racism Alive Forever and Hate America”

whose idiotic religion? Listen to yourself, Im pretty sure Obama says hes a christian…

Indeed that is so correct about parents getting to choose for their children.

Where did the Obama girls get to go to church when they were young?

Reverend Wright?

“Now pay attention kids, hes getting to the good part” – Barrack  Obama

Yet another fraudulent charlatan in a long line of brainwashing reverends who claim moral authority and reek hypocrisy.  Make no mistake, if there is a hell, this man will be going there.

Obamas boys…

Mormonism is a cult and not a religion.  That is because cults pose as religions.  In the grand scheme of their beginnings, they make up all their doctrines and teachings up front that then steal some other religion’s scriptures, taking them way out of context to support thier cultic doctrines.  I’m not sure why the term cult this throwing people off but put in simple terms…..cults are posers that pose as religions.  Christianity is monotheistic and mormonism is polythesitic, the mormon cult teaches and entirely different God, Jesus and Holy spirit from the Bible or Christianity as momonism’s god over this particular planet was once a man who attained godhood states, their version of Jesus was the result of a physical sexual relationship with Mary and is a half brother to Satan, Satan is the half brother of Jesus Christ and not an angel, the death burial and resurrection of Christ has absolutely no meaning, the trinity has no meaning and to top if all off…..even the book of mormon does not support mormon doctrines.   Mormonism is not Christian and never will be.  And….if mormonism wants to be a religion as opposed to a cult, it needs to quit using the Christian bible, go back to the drawing board and create all new doctrines based on the fictional work known as the book of mormon. I say fictional because most religious scholars know the book of mormon is not a book of scriptures but a fictional book stolen by Joseph Smith.  It was originally titled, “A View of the Hebrews” as was meant to be a fictional parallel between the Hebrew nation and native American indians.  Like a good little charlatan, Joseph Smith stole this fiction work and wasted no time going into the publishing business with it making money off of human stupidity.

Indeed, but  we will more about this, reverend wrights church of “Kill all the white people and damm america to hell”

did he ever take his young daughters there?

Classy questions, classy. State TV at its best right there…

You guys figured out how to spin and twist obamas faith into something that isnt “hate all white people forever and destroy america” yet?

By definitiion and categorically, Christianity is a religion.  I say this as someone who has attended 2 separate Christian Universities to achieve degreess in Bible and Religion.  Cults (such as mormonism and jehovah’s witness) are posers.  People really are struggling with this as they think the term “cult” is some form of derogutaory name calling when it isn’t.  Anyone who has a solid foundation in philosophy and religion clearly understands what I’m talking about here but it really shoud not be difficult to understand.  However, to refer to any religion or cult as a faith is a current day effort in political correctness that has no foundation in reality, religion or the concept of faith.  That narrows the concepts of religion as well as faith down to overly simplistic terms that do not lend themselves to functional working defitions.  That is the stuff of self made preachers who have no comittment to truth or integrity.

.” I found it to be a pretty poorly written book overall ”
youre such an idiot.

It’s very interesting that the show had this ASSHOLE on there, on a day when Joe was not there..  I am SURE there is something to be read into that, but I’m not sure what.

why did msnbc even allow this extremist hate mongering nut on their network, and why was he on morning joe when joe wasn’t there?

i’m very curious…

What the founding fathers said about Jesus in the Constituion: “__________”. 
What the founding fathers said about God in the Constituion: “__________”. 
What the founding fathers said about Christianity in the Constituion: “__________”. 

Vote for who you want.  Support who you want. 

But your faith was not even mentioned in our founding document.  If you want to go live in a country where religious leaders pick who runs the government I would suggest getting a passport and fly to the Middle East.

Me, I like living in a place where people like Graham are mocked for the stupid old bigots that they are.  At least Rush and them don’t wrap their hate in some claim to speak for a higher power.  Well, Oxy maybe.

Who cares what Obama is, he can F right off too. When this scourge of religion is eradicated from the earth we will all be better for it.

If you do your home work, you’ll discover that mormonism is nothing like Christianity.  It just looks that way on the surface.  However, mormonism does view Jesus Christ the same way that Islam does in that they both promote a Jesus who is was only a teacher an someone who was nothing more that the equivalent of a great prophet.  If you compare and contrast mormonism and Christianity, then you begin to discover why mormonism is a cult and not a religion as they teach an entirely different God, and entirely different Jesus Christ and the Holy spirit is not even part of a trinity as mormonism does not teach that either.  In fact, Christianity is monotheistic and the mormon cult teaches polytheism as their god over earth is but one of many gods ruling over many planets.  The gods of mormonism were all physical men who ultimately attained godhood status.  Also, the Jesus Christ of mormon doctrine was the result of a physical sexual relationship between the mormon man/god of this planet and Mary and Satan is his half brother.  And these points are just the beginning.  However, to anyone who has done truly done their homework, you’ll discover that mormonism is nothing like Christianity and why is it fits all the categorical parameters of a cult instead of a religion. 

Clearly you have not studied mormon doctrine.  Christ is no savior in mormonism and at best….he is simply on the level of a great prophet.  Mormon doctrine clearly teaches a Jesus Christ who was the result of a physical sexual relationship between the mormon man / god and Mary.  Their Jesus is the half brother to Satan.  This teaching along with all mormon teachings where made up in advance of any supporting religious scriptures.  Even the book oif mormon does not support mormon doctrines. 

Amen to that!  :)

Amen to that!  :)

Oh no….. that is because he is a republican.

Mormonism is a cult and not a religion. That is because cults pose as religions. In the grand scheme of their beginnings, they make up all their doctrines and teachings up front that then steal some other religion’s scriptures, taking them way out of context to support thier cultic doctrines. I’m not sure why the term cult this throwing people off but put in simple terms…..cults are posers that pose as religions. Christianity is monotheistic and mormonism is polythesitic, the mormon cult teaches and entirely different God, Jesus and Holy spirit from the Bible or Christianity as momonism’s god over this particular planet was once a man who attained godhood states, their version of Jesus was the result of a physical sexual relationship with Mary and is a half brother to Satan, Satan is the half brother of Jesus Christ and not an angel, the death burial and resurrection of Christ has absolutely no meaning, the trinity has no meaning and to top if all off…..even the book of mormon does not support mormon doctrines. Mormonism is not Christian and never will be. And….if mormonism wants to be a religion as opposed to a cult, it needs to quit using the Christian bible, go back to the drawing board and create all new doctrines based on the fictional work known as the book of mormon. I say fictional because most religious scholars know the book of mormon is not a book of scriptures but a fictional book stolen by Joseph Smith. It was originally titled, “A View of the Hebrews” as was meant to be a fictional parallel between the Hebrew nation and native American indians. Like a good little charlatan, Joseph Smith stole this fiction work and wasted no time going into the publishing business with it making money off of human stupidity.     

You mean the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints? Shut up, Kook.

http://mormon.org/jesus-christ/

http://mormon.org/jesus-christ/

Lemme guess. The LDS Church doesn’t really know what Mormons believe.

Jesus was born 2,000 years ago to a virgin mother named Mary in the city of Bethlehem.

Seems to me that you haven’t studied Mormonism. You’ve probably had some shithead tell you all about it though.

The Graham family has done a lot of good for this world, but maybe you can make your legacy calling people names in the comments section of websites.

Make no mistake, Billy Graham and family are the real deal. Not a charlatan by any stretch of the imagination.

I’m lmfao@ this idiot…baa-hahaha…I don’t blame you for being mad..if my party was responsible for tanking the worlds economy, trampling over our constitutional   protections, failed to protect our citizens from the 9/11 attacks, joked about sending thousands of young men and women to their deaths just for kicks, and stood before the nation and said you weren’t concerned about capturing the man behind the attacks that killed our fellow countrymen and helpless children, stood by and watched as a major american city drowned but didn’t lift a finger to help, well i suppose i’d feel a shred of guilt too. One thing that the tea-bagging, extreme right wing republicans have proven time and again, is that they are the dumbest, most ignorant people to have ever trod this earth, and you’re just a joke dude..i laugh at your feeble attempt to defend the indefensible…your nothing. Obama is going to crush whoever you slack jawed yokels put on the opposing ticket…we are smarter than you, we know what it takes to protect our country and when you guys refuse to go after our attackers, we go after them and when we find them, we shoot them in the head…

dcjesus, in response to your comments: “i want you to say that you agree thay gays should be killed…yes i believe that jesus had no problem with gays and may have been gay himself..so i stoop by me beliefs–do you?or are you a fake like the rest of the phonies who like to pick and choose pieces of the OT to support their hate??tell me tiny dancer once and for all–i have asked several times now..DO YOU BELIEVE THAT GAYS SHOULD BE KILLED AS NOTED IN THE BIBLE>>>>>>YES OR NO???” 

My answer is no, of course they should not be killed.  They are people, too, and I am no better than they.  Do I believe that it is a sin–yes.  I believe it is a sin because it is clearly defined as a sin in The Bible.  I’m not sure why you insist on repeating that question over and over: are you gay?  Is that why it’s so important to know my opinion on it?  I suspect you are due to your obesssion with it.  And, by the way, why don’t you grow up and stop using the term “tiny dancer.”  It just makes you look stupid.  It is having the opposite effect that you were hoping for.   

there it is…
hypocrite–charlatan and phony…
so you do not believe in the bible–your own words..
i never said i was gay but if i was i would say so—the only sin your lying, fake hypocroicy..
that is why i keep asking the same question==BECAUSE I WANT TO GET YOU LIARS ON RECORD THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE EVEN YOUR OWN CRAP..
as far as me looking stupid?
heheheh
well coming from YOU that is a compliment..
i bet monkeys even think humans look stupid in the zoo–
that is why they throw their POO..
keep tossing yours…
so tiny dancer..
C yoU Next Tuesday…
in H-E-double hocky sticks…

freaks..

Wow. Compulsive watching when Heilemann calls out Graham on his double standard on judging Obama and judging Republicans.

It gets positively hilarious when Graham says HE’s SURE Newt is a Christian, but he isn’t sure Obama is.

To the president, an exemplary family man, the standard is “I don’t know if he’s a Christian— it depends on how you live your life”. And then he says he’s sure about Newt.

The Morning Joe crew was very deft in giving this religious hypocrite lots of rope to hang himself.

Hell, Hades, The Underworld, etc are in many if not most religions. 

Hella or Hel was the Goddess of the Underworld in Norse mythology.   Not sure if she started it all, but it seems like someone named our Hell after her (like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday are derived from other Norse Gods and Goddesses).  From what I understand the Underworld of Ancient Egyptian myth is much closer to the Christian version of Hell. 

For an Atheist like me, Hell is Detroit and  I am pretty sure Michael Moore is in charge of all the food there. 

to all of the ‘other’ hells–they are not as christians and muslims -the christian and muslim hell with has a satan and eternity of torture..others do not have that-most hellls are just death or some forms of kharmic thing–
christians and muslms are the only major theolgies that actually believe in an eternity of torture by a loving god–just for not having faith..
true story..
islam and christiaity are twins.. and judaism is the older brother–all from the same desert nomads who had nothing to do but  live in a horrible desert and make up stories to pass the long hot days…

All this talk of religion. Isn’t this what they do in the middle east? Aren’t there genuine issues that need to be discussed and acted on? Apparently, the GOP finds the Taliban admirable, and has decided to emulate it. 

No Clovis, that stuff did happen in the Old Testament, but what you guys fail to realize is that The Bible is a sequential story.  Things changed when Jesus was born–”grace” was introduced into the world at that time.  Again, if you are commenting on a small portion without refering to the ENTIRE context.   

Yea, dcjesus, you’re right and The Bible is wrong.  Is that what you want to hear?  I pity you, dude.  You need help. 

Per the Constitution of the United States of
America:

Article Six: The Senators and
Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State
Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United
States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to
support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a
Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

 The Second Amendment states: ““Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”.

And what happened to this christian Franklin Graham’s, christianity?
 
Does he follow:
Matthew Chapter 7
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
How about:
John Chapter 8
7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
 
I will not claim christianity for my self, but I will claim to be a God fearing man. I do believe in God.
I too will claim to be a sinner.

Franklin Graham is a vile bigot and a coward.  Why even put this jackass on tv??

Franklin Graham is disgusting. Republican piety seems to stand for reality-denying, anti-intellectual know-nothing bigotry. Good luck with that.

 If that is what you came away with after Reading the Bible “a few times”….all
of which is horribly wrong by every account, I really feel bad for you. If you
want to disrespect the Lord in such a blatant way (surely you are an atheist),
and misrepresent what scholars consider to be the most well preserved,
important, and historically accurate of all works of antiquity (not to mention
the very bedrock of all civilized societies), you would have to be either stupid
or the most ignorant person I have ever encountered in a forum like this. Or, a
hater of God. I’m guessing the latter, although I have no understanding of your
reasons. Even though you clearly don’t believe in Jesus, as God on earth, nor
the work of the cross that paid the price for your sins…offering you an
intimate relationship with the Creator of the entire universe, and everlasting
life (what more do you want?!), it still happens to be truth. Your
acknowledgment is not necessary for the truth to be the truth. But don’t
despair. God loves you and is reaching out to you. Don’t hate him, love him
back. That is what he wants. His Grace is a GIFT…not earned, not deserved. He
wants you to accept Him, but you are not forced to accept him. That is your free
will. As long as you hate him, you will never feel the reality of his existence.
Surrender to Him. Let him fill you up with his love. Only then will you know the
truth and the life, the living waters that can quench your thirst. No, an amoeba
didn’t just pop up one day on earth out of chance (it is proved impossible and
even evolutionist understand that spontaneous generation is a myth), and keep
adding information (something that can not come from nothing, and must be
created…by a creator) to it’s immensely complex DNA until it became a rocket
scientist, literary genius, or brain surgeon. God created us to be in perfect
union with him. In love. Man screwed it up by using his free will to compete
with God, instead of simply existing in harmony with Him. We have been paying
the price ever since. The whole world has. But that time, my friend, is coming
to an end. Did you bother to read Revelations? Is that also poorly written? How
about the hundreds of prophecies that we see coming to fullness? Hogwash? Well
brother, that is your choice to make. I love you. I will pray for you to see the
real Truth. He has given us all the proof we need. Look around, read the Bible
again…with an open mind, open heart and open spirit this time. You will find
Him if you want to. Your world will be better. Your life will be better. Your
eternity, the most important aspect of our existence, will assuredly be better.
If you don’t want to find Him, you won’t. Pride. Ego. Hubris. Stop trying to
figure everything out and let God be God. Sincerely ask Him for a measure of
faith to be added to you. Ask for his blood to wash you clean, for him to be the
potter and you the clay. Stop trying to compete with Him and just be His child.
A citizen of Heaven. Are you that tied to this evil, wicked, mess of a world?
That you would rather worship the creation…not the Creator? Are you really
going to cast your hate upon a sovereign being that created billions of galaxies
by only speaking them into existence. Who are you, to question Him? He loves
you so much, he was tortured and put to death, in your place. Even while you
stew in your obvious hatred towards Him, He loves you as much as anybody that
ever lived. Why not embrace that kind of fathomless love? Why hate Him, when
you don’t even know Him. And haven’t even tried.

What a surprise. A nut like you agrees with him.

Where are you getting your information?  If you are going to write such
a piece on a faith, you should really do a little research.  Say go
here:  http://mormon.org/jesus-christ/ 

Also, Christianity is not all monotheistic.  One of the reasons the
Protestants left the Roman Catholic Church was that they believed the
Catholics were deifying Mary and the Saints. 

 I simply said,  God has an ideal world in mind for everyone, but He will not force his will on anyone.  If he were to force his will, then he would have no clue who really wanted his plan.  When I was 7 i wanted a magic dust to throw on Paula to make her like me.  Then I realized, would I ever be able to believe it was me or the dust.  Does that help?

 Im not familiar with a Mormon prediction regarding NYC, however when God/s wrath does visit America, I would think NYC would be high on any list, no matter who compiled it.  Would God use Mitt if that was the plan, maybe so, but man there are so many more with a lot more experience in blowing places up.  I do think too many people are placing too much emphasis on ones religion right now, altho I also believe that is an important aspect for our President.  What we have in office now is a one sided two faced hypocrite and he dont care who knows it.  He needs replaced but for many many reasons, including his obvious bias regarding Muslims vs Christians, and his words are pure BS in this respect.

WHAT PART OF FRANKLIN GRAHAM SAYING ” I TAKE OBAMA AT HIS WORD, HE SAY’S HE IS A CHRISTIAN” DON’T THE MSNBC CREW UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!

 It is not a good idea to take things written in any book out of context for your own personal agenda.  THAT includes the Bible and the words of Jesus,  and to tell the truth, I was not aware he ever wrote anything.  If you were truly a student of the Bible you would know Jesus used many such illustrations to make a point, I think he had folks like you with little understanding in mind, and tried to make it so you could see his reasoning.  You ever hear of Abraham.  Was like one of the biggest land and property owners of his time.  A favorite of God by the way.  NO< its not money nor being rich,  its what sometimes comes from such wealth.  Many cant deal with it and loose their way.  AND so Jesus was saying   WATCH IT.

I said “God’s person”, not “good person”..

Christian or not, aren’t religious people, receiving tax exempt status, prohibited from endorsing candidates? Grahmn endorsed everyone but Obama. How’s that possible?

And his contention that “it’s my business” to decide who has faith, that he wouldn’t want “certain people” to work for his charity, presumably, even to feed the starving, is dispicable.

What kind of Christianity is it that rejects people instead of embracing them. Was his father like this? I don’t recall him calling individuals out about their faith, just calling them to Christ, which is a lot less annoying.

Either I’m going blind or an o was removed.

This is what we have come to in this country. A religious man being challenged by a panel who clearly themselves have little understanding or it seems interest in what Christianity is, or any faith more likely.

There is no disputing the fact that Mormons claim to follow Jesus, but the Christianity they practice believes that all Christianity before Mormonism was invalid.  They believe (like Muslims) that their faith was dictated by an angel to one man (Joseph Smith) and in his faith manifesto he ascribes to Jesus and God as well, characteristics that do not square with the rest of Christianity.  Christianity writ large is characterized by the Apostles Creed which says that Jesus was born of Mary, died under Pontius Pilate, and rose again three days after. Mormons don’t argue against this but append another incarnation of Christ in the New World for which there is no proof.  Their ideas about Divinity also diverge greatly from mainstream Christianity.

So it’s certainly not difficult for anyone to understand why Graham hesitates to readily classify Mormonism as Christian, when it swerves well outside the established canon of Christian beliefs. Jesus is the main character in Mormonism as it is in mainstream Christianity, but from there significant differences manifest themselves. One can disagree with Graham, but as to the displays of exaggerated frustration on the panel indicates only one thing, and that is ignorance of Christianity.
Despite this, from their different perspective, Mormons still arrive at most of the same conclusions about life and how to live it as do Christians, and for this reason a Mitt Romney will not be reflexively dismissed as unacceptable, particularly if he ends up the nominee for the Presidential election. Even Fundamentalists will pull the lever for him despite the theological misgivings.

In the same way, it is not difficult to understand why Graham was also equivocal about Obama’s professed Christianity. Given the opportunity to give a testimony to Graham, Obama’s answer about needing to be in a church to be seen as a member of the community would not satisfy practically anyone trying to understand Obama. We know this, that Obama was born to two professed atheists, and that the only formal religious affiliation he had growing up was as a Muslim in Indonesia. School records list him as a Muslim in schools in Indonesia where this affiliation must divulged because it is illegal for religious schools to proselytize Muslims.  Add to this Obama’s introduction into Christianity came in Jeremiah Wrights Church which teaches pan Africanism where being African and black is more important than being Christian. It is likely considering Wrights warm relationship with Minister Louis Farrahkhan, that members of his Church proclaim fellowship with black Muslims more readily than with White Christians.

On the few occasions where Obama has spoken about his Christianity, it has been more troubling than anything else as it is clear his perspectives appear to be very shallow and not built upon a foundation of biblical Christianity.It is not really surprising that Rev Graham is going to be assailed this way on a network program by the media who are in all ways Obama’s palace guard.  The approach taken by the panel indicates no real interest or depth of study into Christianity and really just follows the Leftist narrative that people of faith (mainly Christian) are to be treated as oddities.

I listened to this on XM Radio when it aired and what was surprising to me was the level of ire that Graham evoked from his host and the other guests.

Graham called all the candidates (including the president) “good candidates” and said that they were all competent enough for the presidency.

Even though Graham said that Mormons aren’t Christians (wrong, in my book), he said that Romney was a good man, a good candidate, and would make a good president. 

Despite these things, Graham was still characterized by the guests as being hostile to having a non-Christian president in the White House and was dismissive of the president’s abilities.

What Graham HAD been was critical of the president’s Christian devotion in comparison to others.  He was critical of it even over that of Gingrich, based, Graham said, on personal conversations that he had with each man, and his own discernment after many years in ministry..  (Graham didn’t just volunteer this information, he was repeatedly asked to share his feelings)

For THIS he was told that he is biased and that he uses a double standard and generally  was snorted at and scolded by Geist and the others who were highly offended and who took Graham’s personal opinion (which they had solicited) in a highly personal manner.

Now imagine if you will that Graham had put forth the opinion that Barney Frank or Bill Clinton were better Christians that Rick Santorum or George Bush, because Frank and Clinton supported nationalized health care, or the Palestinian Right of Return, or some other political position. 

Would any of that panel have turned a hair over such a formulation?  At the idea that in coming to such a conclusion, Graham had let a  public policy stance trump any impression or insight that Graham may have gleaned from a personal encounter with these men?

Nope. The panel would have accepted such a formulation from Graham without a blink, let alone without the rancor the panel showed over Graham’s conclusion about the president.

We know THAT is true because such statements based upon just such a construct are made nearly daily on Morning Joe (and all over the tv and internet) whenever the subject of religious devotion occurs.

THAT is the difference with the treatment of Graham’s stated “personal opinion” and it reflects the real double standard.and the true bias.

 Self-righteousnessly judging others pardining oneself by saying “hate the sin and not the sinner”? I’m with you on this.

One other thing that Graham said here that bugs me, and David Vitter said it too, “God has forgiven me.” I just don’t see how anyone can justify that kind of presumption. If you’ve screwed up, humility dictates that you strive for and hope for and pray for forgiveness, but you can never tell someone else that God has forgiven you. You’re effectively speaking for God then. I don’t see any way around this.

And it makes sense that the above is just wrong. We non-selfrighteous-fundies don’t trust someone who screws up then pretends everything is OK. Penance is not just words and action, it is also attitude.

Mr. Graham was too vague and too kind to both Romney (who lied on air seven times in the last debate, who has run a dishonest and dirty campaign and made a career of getting rich on taxpayer’s largesse through bail-outs for his businesses, and by gutting workers pension funds, and whose positions on social issues have been unbiblical) and Obama whose promotion of abortion and social issues stand directly against the Bible and Christian teaching as well as against evidence in science, medicine and CDC statistics. 

Facts are facts.  At least Newt Gingrich has repented and admitted his wrongdoing.  Neither Obama nor Romney has done so.One can only discern a person’s character by their words and actions.  Yours are quite reflective of your own character and beliefs.   

Jesus also said ‘Judge righteous judgments.’  We must be able to discern good from evil.  

The GOP and Tea Party are not burning people’s homes and churches, beheading them, stealing their daughters, their property.

The GOP and Tea Party do not call people bigots, paint vile names on churches… poop in the street, spit on women coast guard officers, shout obscenities at kindergarteners… 

The GOP and Tea Party don’t get mad at their boyfriend and sell US secrets as has happened twice.

The GOP and Tea Party don’t take guns or strap on bombs, kill fellow soldiers or civilians, people having breakfast, passengers on a bus or airplane.

Don’t be disingenuous.    

Mr. Obama’s political and social actions are against Biblical teaching and also against science, medicine and statistics.  As a President, Obama is not promoting the financial or physical health, stability and security of our nation.  Quite the opposite.     

Newt has come to see the wrong of his sin and repented.   As Graham said, we are all sinners.  Many people have done wrong in their lives that they regret.   Thanks be to God for his forgiveness, the power over sin that helps us to turn around and begin a new life under His dominion…following His Word and commandments.

Mr. Graham’s orphanages and food programs feed many children that are victims of Islamic and dictatorial oppression…who won’t and don’t feed, shelter and care for their people. That’s what Christians do.   

The Islamists promote racism, hate, violence, oppression, misogyny, rape and conquest.  j They steal and sell even the food from refugees and keep them in poverty and ill health.  They bomb, burn churches, hospitals and orphanages, behead, rape Christians.

And it takes a political campaign to reveal the true colors of the left.  Typing out nasty accusations and epithets (with limited vocabularies) on every blog.

Your words show your own true colors, really.  

Christianity has this wonderful thing called repentance.  And forgiveness.   Where we all can come to turn our lives around when we repent.

It’s even in the Old Testament – Isaiah 26:3-30:15.  And in the Psalms…most notably Psalm 51.

God forgives sins.  If He did not forgive sinners, not one of us would make it back to Him.

Jesus said, we must forgive others if we are to be forgiven.   Otherwise, we remain separated from God.

Obama promotes abortion, even of babies who are full-term.  This violates God’s most basic commandments.  This and Obama’s other social policies violate evidence in Scripture, science, statistics and medicine.   

Jesus said, You will be able to discern who is truly following God by what they do.  
It’s not what people say, but what they do.

Obama promotes Islam.   Islam has a record of violence, misogyny, injustice, horrific cruelty, genocide and racial and religious hatred.   Its record is worse than the KKK, Stalin, and Hitler.   In fact, one of the Imams of that day was in cahoots with Hitler and inspired Hitler to kill millions of Jews.

Islam is not a good religious/political system.  

That’s history.  Facts.

Sure, and the left are the most vehemently and venomously intolerant of any disagreement.

They are the most certain of their agenda and position and even refuse to see evidence – science research, statistics and medical facts, logic and common sense.

They are going on their own thoughts, feelings and wants.

At least we aren’t painting slogans on people’s homes and businesses. 
We don’t behead, bomb, burn people like Mohammed’s followers.

Franklin Graham runs orphanages and schools and feeds the people the Islamic and dictatorial despots won’t.

Excuse me, but are you replying to my comment or somebody else. I am fully aware of everything you said and I commend his humanitarian efforts overseas. Maybe you should read comments more closely before you click on the reply button.

You don’t know anything about me. Franklin Graham tarnishes his father’s reputation every time he opens his mouth. As a conservative & Christian who personally knows members of the Graham family, I am disgusted by his cowardice and weak attempts to tie his religious beliefs w his political ones. He clearly doesn’t think Obama is a Christian but is afraid to say it. How could you respect a man like that? Christ wouldn’t have been caught dead uttering the stupid things that come out of Franklin’s mouth.

So… “cult” = “exactly the same as a religion except it’s bad cuz of some repeatedly debunked stories and absurd ad hominem and straw man arguments my pastor told me”. Just admit it: You’re a bigot.

It’s just insane that the troll TREG with his blatant lies gets so many likes while incontestable facts from Pablo get fewer. It’s a stark reminder that Mediaite is too often dominated by intellectually bankrupt hacks who “know so much that isn’t so”.

@dcjesus:disqus An eternity of literal torture? Mormons don’t believe that, and neither do most Christians who actually go to church more than twice a year. The atheist’s understanding of Christianity is like that of a child – only children are more likely to try to learn more whereas atheists simply fight straw men.

@google-e9137cf7f0f0e9a46f05297b2bb0a831:disqus “At least we can all agree that organized religion is bullshit!”
You bigots are getting more and more vocal. And delusional, with more and more assumptions that you’re a majority popping up. Probably because you find each other on the Internet, see how disgusting others of your persuasion act, think to yourself this must therefore be an acceptable way to act, and (due to the over-representation of bigots on the Internet, as with all vocal haters and trolls in general) get the false impression that you’re more numerous than you really are.

“secular culture”
You people have no sense of history. You’re way off on two fronts. First, the Founders held Christian services in the Capitol itself on Sundays, for crying out loud. Second, inasmuch as there is a “separation of church and state” (a phrase not in the Constitution and that, in context, clearly does not at all mean what you perverters of history and reason SAY it does), it is to protect the church from corruption by the state and ensure the free practice of religion (not protect you from religious items being in the public square) – and this is not inherited from England, as the whole point was to avoid a Church of England situation here!

What the heck are you saying? Are you seriously saying Catholics aren’t Christian because they don’t act like Christians, that is, they don’t have basic Christian values or at least act on them?? Because that’s what it sounds like. You’ve got issues.

“nothing to do with the bible”
*quotes Bible verse*
/facepalm

You posted this same nonsense elsewhere. Again:
So… “cult” = “exactly the same as a religion except it’s bad cuz of some repeatedly debunked stories and absurd ad hominem and straw man arguments my pastor told me”. By your “reasoning,” the Evangelicals are just Catholics MINUS some books; shouldn’t they have “gone back to the drawing board” if they don’t want to be a cult? Just admit it: You’re a bigot.

The evidence points to Obama not being religious, but rather *using* religion as you’d expect a politician to do so. Apparently, Rev. Wright would agree – either that, or he’d say the Jews are holding his tongue! The only other logical conclusion the evidence points to isn’t any better, which would be that he’s a subscriber to Black Liberation Theology, a racist, Marxist “religion” that’s about collective (instead of individual) salvation. That’s not me calling names; that’s what it is, and that’s what the church Obama went to for 20 years was. Look it up. If Obama believes in salvation at all, it’s surely a collective one (instead of the Biblical description of an individual one), as evidenced by his numerous speeches that mention this (though that doesn’t preclude just be playing politics, as it does play in very well with his class warfare schtick). Call that “Christian” if you want — I could perhaps even be persuaded to agree that that’s *technically* what it can be classified as — but for the vast majority of Christians and others who’d use the “is he a Christian” question to help answer the question of a person’s character and values, that’s not the sort of “Christian” we meant.

So….
I, a married man, hire 6 hookers today and repent tomorrow
you live the life of a loving momogamous husband and don’t repent…

and I’m more Christian than you?

You might be even more hypocritical than Graham, which is some achievement.

He did get it across…..but there is another entity who  distorts the word of God and causes confusion.  If you believe in God, you must also believe in the Devil.

God made man in his own image.  We are not pre-programmed to be robots.  Look at animals and birds.  They do the same thing over and over again.  They have no choice  We on the other hand have the freedom to decide for ourselves whether to do good or evil..  It is a higher state of being.  Good and evil existed before man.  Those two forces or entities are at war in the world today.

  ‘Judge righteous judgments.’

Do you know what righteous means?  Jesus says judge God?
Did you really think this one out?

What Bible did you read ?  Jesus didn’t give us eternal damnation, he gave us Eternal Life.  The Bible is a Reality tome.  It tells us what men will do if left to their own devices. God repented himself that he had made man and he sent Jesus to redeem us from eternal damnation.  Since all mankind has sinned under the Law (ten commandments), Jesus is our only way out.  There is no other name under which you can be saved. 

You apparently have a problem with comprehending what you’ve read on this page.  I’m not going to discuss with you about what I might have meant to say and what I actually did say.  If you don’t understand English, then you’ve got issues with which I cannot help you by writing more words and sentences and opinions on this page.  I’m sorry about that, but I suggest that you consider a back to school reading program that concentrates on teaching you how to comprehend what has been written in these little posting boxes. Having written this, I will now settle back and wait for a snarky response to my snarking response to your snarky response to what I wrote about how Christians and Jews and Catholics and Muslims and Buddists should respond to one another.

Yes.  On more than one occasion.

I hope not but Harry Potter is demonic…..Yes, there are demons…..

HhhhM

I agree he can be forgiven, but that does not mean you forget the action.

Dude, just admit that your statement was factually wrong, nod, smile, and drop it.  You’re obviously not a comparative theologian, which is fine; most people aren’t.  But apparently a fair number of people here DO have comparative theology as a hobby, probably just because it’s fun — you don’t have to believe in a god or gods, or to NOT believe in a god or gods, to enjoy comparative theology.

But the point is, you’re now at the point where you are defending a statement which other people know to be false.  You didn’t previously know it was false, and that’s fine.  It turns out that there are quite a number of other religions that believe in Hell — that, in fact, you can trace back the Christian concepts of Hell to various sources in other religions.  You were unaware of that.  Cool.

Now you ARE aware of that.  So, now that you know something new, you change your mind, and don’t try to just double-down and come up with some weasel-word way to try to twist your original statement into something true.  It’s not working, and it just makes you look bad.

I’m glad it makes you feel better.

And I’m sure you have proof of these supernatural events?

He introduced hell, encouraged slavery and the killing of children, not much grace there.

They are all myths and based on mans first attempt to find out what goes bump in the night.

Free will.

When James Crugnale or any journalist writes a story like this claiming that Reverend Graham is questioning President Obama’s faith I would hope they could produce more evidence than simply pointing to a journalistic ambush wherein Mr Graham finds that, in truth, he can not say with any certitude that the President is in fact what he believes himself to be.  Perhaps the MSNBC panelist are more gifted at peering into the very heart and soul of a man to discern the entire truth of a mans personal relationship with God.  Apparently, they are more skilled at this sort of thing than Rev. Graham who must, like the rest of us, merely rely on what he is told without judging the matter one way or the other.

They are all truly myths. But faith is not based  on facts
but what you chose to believe. It is called faith because you
do not need to look for truth,facts or reason.
When they talk about blind faith they are describing it accurately.

Your arguments are based on faith and therefore are not
based on facts or reason. If faith is what you choose to believe then don’t enter into debates where issues are  
supported by documentation using the bible as a reference.

Jesus the Christ said in Matthew 7:21, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF THE FATHER IN HEAVEN.” and in Matt. 7:16, Jesus says we will know them by their FRUITS.
I see no Obama christian fruit. I see no evidence that Obama is DOING THE WILL OF THE FATHER.
So if someone were to ask me, a little old grandma, is Obama a christian? I would have to say, because I cannot lie, based on the Word of God, the Bible, no; he shows no christian fruit and what he is doing and has done is NOT the will of the FATHER and most importantly he does not support or protect christians.
He came to us in sheep’s clothing but inwardly he is a ravenous wolf.

I’m totally with you!!  The panelists were completely Obscene in their ‘care’ of this ‘interview’.  It appears that they were simply trying like you said, to ambush the Reverand into make a judgement, so that they could then point the finger saying.. See Your Judging People!!”  In fact, it appears the whole interview was set up just for that stage!!  Wow.. those people should be ashamed of themselves! They should fear God, and tremble in fear when reverencing any Reverend with a question held out in Dignity, not like their abunch of Atheists sitting around looking for a man to tie, to the whipping post! 

After just watching this ad, I wish I could point out to you all that the ‘interviewers’ were not ‘unbiased’ in their questions, nor Christian in their presentment of their questions!  (If your not with me, your against me! -God )Lets all therefore consider the source in seeing this ‘Ambush’ on the Christ in this Reverend.  Anyone knows, born of God, that you can’t judge whether another man has come to recognize the Christ in His own life but we can comment or make commentary on the actions of a man, and as to wheather we believe those actions are ‘Christian’ in our own views and convictions drawn upon us by the Spirit of our God. 

These ‘interviewers’ were seditiously seeking to ‘tare apart’ this man of faith while they had him on camera, and I think their wanting to do this, was more seen then the disguntlement that they were forcing this man thru, by their ‘assuming questions’!  

It even appears that they were trying to ‘lure’ him into giving a ‘yes or no’ answer to this completely OBSCENE Anti-Christ written question!!  It makes me laugh really.. seeing how OBSCENE all of those interviewers eventually ended up playing themselves out to being!  I mean all regards to the last guy who actually said, I think you just opened up alot by stating that you believe rick santorium a christian but have a double standard as to Obama. 

But!!  What the interviewers failed to See, and to recognize was that Frank had explained by what definition of Christianity, so that every time they used the word ‘Christian’ after that, was refering to that standard of ‘Christian’ defined by him!   They didn’t catch this obviously, and for it they in any Christians eyes will appear the Fools!  

Ha!  Go Frank!  Lord be with you!  Keshet Israel (Isaiah 62:2, Rev 3:12)

 No. Co-adherents of the same faith are robots (i.e. believe and act the same). There are many different sects of each religion who have similar and different beliefs and practices.

Catholics are Christians.  I am not Catholic, but all religions who have faith to believe that Jesus Christ shed his blood on the cross to redeem us from our sins is a Christian.

A whole lot of Christians don’t act like Christians.

Now, tell me again, exactly why was Franklin Graham invited on Liberal MSNBC? Oh yeah, that’s right- Romney’s a Mormon. Silly me.

There’s a point where a clown car gets so big & complicated, it could do with a chauffeur. Franklin Graham: official chauffeur to the Republican clown car.

And while we’re at it, let’s also point out… since it’s true… that the Koran includes Jesus as a messenger of God, right down to miracles and the virgin birth, and that scholarly muslims will confirm this. But it would be a stretch (and even an insult to muslims) to call them Christian. 

However, here’s where it seems like Graham’s argument fails. What’s in a book or what book one claims they’re devoted to is far inferior as evidence, when compared to their deeds an actions. Certainly, anybody who actually internalizes the teachings of Jesus understands this. 

Christ himself lays down the same insight more than once IN the bible, admonishing those who praise the letter of the law without honoring its spirit. 

Cast in that light, I don’t know enough about Romney to know if he acts in a Christ-like manner. He certainly puts forward some views that the Christ we know from the Bible might have held suspect, particularly those on war and not reaching out to the poor, sick, or helpless. 

And if that’s true for Romney, it’s doubly true for Gingrich, whose icy-hearted proclamations and serial unfaithfulness to his wives make him staunchly anti-Christian, no matter what he claims to a willing listener like Graham. 

Santorum? He might share the views of the Church on gay marriage and women’s rights, but putting aside any divinations on how Christ would feel about those complex issues, he’s certainly too forgiving on capital punishment, torture, and war with Iran for the Jesus I read about in my eight years of Catholic grade school, four years of Catholic college, and two years of studies in philosophy and theology. 

Ron Paul has not played the faith card and should be respected for that. While his views certainly could be interpreted as non-Christian by some, he seems to genuinely (rather than speciously) believe that his way is the more compassionate way. While I don’t necessarily agree with him on all counts, I at least admire his thoughtful approach and devotion to principle. 

Obama? Well, killing terrorists, not yet closing Guantanamo, drone bombing… those things are awfully hard to ignore from a Christian standpoint. So I won’t. But giving healthcare to children, ending war in Iraq, community service, and many other acts are hard to ignore too. By the standards above, of deeds over claims, it’s possible to question whether Obama, like the others, is truly Christian.

But questioning it for the reasons Graham puts forward, that’s something else entirely. Because to Graham, the deeds are irrelevant… which makes me wonder if Graham himself truly understands what it is to aspire to be like Christ, himself.

Well… arguably, it’s been tried once… by this guy a couple thousand years ago who, to quote Douglas Adams, got nailed to a tree for saying we should all be nice to each other.

I am in agreement with you. Thank you for sharing the results of your research and experience. Christians believe that the bible (Old and New Testament) is the divine word of God and the ultimate authority. Incomplete information and added books do bring into question whether or not these people are true Christians – I once had a bible teacher who defined a cult as “Jesus Christ plus anything else” – If a person believes in anything other than that Jesus Christ is the “author of their faith” and His finished work on the cross is our salvation. Some people mistakenly believe that they can be saved by works or other beliefs in addition to Jesus Christ.

As Franklin Graham so aptly pointed out, going to church doesn’t automatically make a person a Christian  – it is by faith and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, believing Him for salvation and eternal life. He was also correct that many profess to be Christians who do not live accordiingly.

If you had read the Book of Mormon, you would know that it is another testament of Jesus Christ, written by prophets in the Americas.  If it was important for the prophets in the old country to make records, would it not be just as important for the prophets in the Americas to do the same.  You might say there were no prophets in the Americas; however in John 10:16, Christ says,”And other sheep
I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they
shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”  He called prophets of these people also.  Why would that not represent Christianity?  These people also taught & followed the teachings of Jesus Christ.  We are to obey the Commandments and follow Christ.  Only God has the right to judge.

If you had ever read the Book of Mormon, you would know that it does nothing BUT represent Christianity. 

Sample verse:  “Come unto Christ and be perfected in Him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness.  If ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is His grace sufficient for you.” Moroni 10:32.

Please explain what could possibly be “unChristian” about that.

Your notions of Mormonism are, sadly, as erroneous as your spelling of “were.”  (Hint — the verb is not “where.”)

This is the same sort of garbage that opponents of Christianity spewed about Christians in the first three centuries.  For example, if you think that Lucifer did not start out as a spiritual son of God, and thus a spirit “brother” not only of Christ but of everyone else, then how do you account for his being termed “Son of the Morning” in the scriptures? 

Also, I would like to add, that eventually people are going to really respect the doctrine of lukewarm Christians. It appears that Franklin Graham does stand for faith in Christ, although he has his flaws and weaknesses, like we all do. The only faith that will not be respected is the brand of Christianity that says that the bible is the word of God, and that we are sinners that need a Savior in Christ Jesus. It infuriates people to know that there is only one truth, and that truth is that Jesus Christ is God, and that believing in Him is the only way to the Father. Most people do not want to come to terms with the fact that they are sinners, and that they need a Savior. We forget that the Father cannot tolerate or “stand” sin, and since we are not perfect, we have to have a Mediator who takes on our sins so that we can see God. If Jesus Christ did not take on our sins for us, we could not be pardoned by God. Even the people who think they have not done anything wrong in their lives have. If you have lied even once in your whole life, you have sinned and you need the atoning work of Christ in your lives. We are not gods, and who are we to try to play God in our lives. We need humility before the Lord.

 This world is a lie, and the only truth you can hang onto is the word of God. The Lord is the only one who loves people completely and unconditionally-even the “unloveable.” The rest of us have alterior motives at some point in our lives. No one is righteous, not one. Only the Son of God who to be praised. The excrement that you speak of is the the voice of the devil who wants you to miss the opportunity that you have in your life to come to Christ. The devil wants to take as many people to hell as possible. He wants to hurt God because he knows that he can’t get God himself, but he can get the people that God created. God did not want us to be a bunch of robots and make us accept Jesus Christ. He wanted us to come to Him on his own, even knowing that the many that He loved, would choose to be separated from Him. The devil is working overtime to take as many people to hell as possible, and I hope that he doesn’t convince you that the truth is a lie. Be careful that you do not believe the lie. It sounds like you are confused about what is truth and what is not. Ask God what the truth is. What if everyone else is wrong, and the bible is the only truth. Don’t you want to find that out.

Eventually people will choose to believe the lie, and because of this God gives them over to it, because their hearts are hardened and they will never be interested in the Lord and the true freedom that He gives.

The man of lawlessness is the antichrist in these verses.

2nd Thessalonians 2:5-12

Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things?
6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
7For
the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now
holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
8And
then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will
overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of
his coming.
9The
coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan
displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
10and
in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They
perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.