Good article, Frances.

Well stated, Ms. Martel.

It seems to me that a critical factor in how one thinks we should commemorate or recognize 9/11 is what one thinks happened that day. If you think the attacks were ”luck” on the part of AQ and that the threat from Islamic terror exists but is not that great, then you think that we are sort of ”over-recognizing” that day. This, I think, is what E.J. Dionne believes.

Similarly, if you believe as Toure does that the government is covering up what happened that day – e.g., a missile hit the Pentagon and not a plane driven by AQ agents – then you think that our energies are directed at the wrong thing or things.

If on the other hand you believe what happened that day is evidence of what Christopher Hitchens calls “evil” – an “evil” that we have faced in different manifestations for thousands of years – then you think we need to remind ourselves that a dangerous evil still exists and must be confronted. And recognize that day similarly, as an evil act.

So, the events tomorrow are in many ways a sort of Rorschach Test that tells us a great about the observers and what they think happened 10 years ago and what type of America we have.

Very well written, Frances. Very well done.

A very good piece.

I don’t think there’s any chance there’s any chance it will deminish, because of the repercussions that so many have lived with since then.

The Iraq, Afghanistan and Libyan wars. The threat of Terrorism pretty much exists in every corner of the globe now. We can’t afford to lose vigilance. Tomorrow will be momentus for the anniversary and also because Bin Laden answered for his crimes against humanity.

It’s going to be a day to reflect on what Has happened since that miserable day.

I will be acknowledging it respectfully with family.

Very few times in history , if we’re lucky , will there be a day that will be remembered by all of us as long as we live .
 
Even those who were too young to comprehend it could tell by looking at their parents that something bad had happened , and they will always recall that strange day .
 
 

“So, the events tomorrow”

Events tomorrow?  EVENTS TOMORROW?!?!?!  Puh-leeze.
Cable has been rolling out their programming all week.
I must have watched over a dozen hours of 9/11 remembrance already.

Commemoration is one thing, over saturation is another.
One simulcast memorial on all the stations tomorrow would make more sense than me.

As usual television has a tendency to over do it.

Well written, Frances,maybe the best ive read on this site. Our generation (i am 49) dealt with JFK the same as this generation is dealing with 9/11

Are you kidding me? The overwrought indulgence of media hype on this is ridiculous. I was there, I don’t need it hammered into my head for 2 straight months.

Does it interrupt your nascar programs. Sorry for having compassion.

Why exactly do we need to dwell on it?  I didn’t pick up that part in the piece.

It’s our generations tragedy? That’s it?  Where is the moral of the story?

How about reflecting on how over board our country’s reaction to the event was and continues to be.  That is what should be focused on 10 years later.  The generations of tomorrow need to study and remember how ‘merica reacted to the tragedy more than the tragedy itself.

You seem to be more concerned with how we responded to the attacks than the consequences of what happened that day.

This is about that day. And those events. And the effects on those people and their families.

It’s not about Iraq or Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo.

As to the moral of the “story”, I’d suggest reading, for example, Christopher Hitchen’s piece here:
    http://www.slate.com/id/2303013/

9/11 was about, in large part, evil. And the modern manifestation of it.

You seem to be more concerned with how we responded to the attacks than the consequences of what happened that day.

This is about that day. And those events. And the effects on those people and their families.

It’s not about Iraq or Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo.

As to the moral of the “story”, I’d suggest reading, for example, Christopher Hitchen’s piece here:
    http://www.slate.com/id/2303013/

9/11 was about, in large part, evil. And the modern manifestation of it.

We must never forget how our foreign policy led to 9/11.

In the era of 24/7 blabber & blogs, even the most tragic & transcendent events are quickly reduced to trivia & tiresome repetition.

As a New Yorker,WHO WILL NEVER FORGET
ty Ms. Martel.

“. It is selfish to deny history to those who didn’t live it simply
because it’s too painful, dressing this reality up in some righteous
call to preserve the sanctity of 9/11, to avoid cheapening its memory.
Nothing cheapens a memory more than forgetting it.”

I don’t know if lucky is the word.  I would consider myself lucky if I got to see the moon landing but 9/11 is something I would rather not have seen.

The moral of the story is to watch out for Moose Slims at the airport.  

We are not forgetting 9/11. I will never for the day and where I was when the Twin Towers was hit. But, I am tired of those who exploit 9/11 to make changes in our society that did and continues to damage our democracy. Our civil liberties were the first sacrifices as the US Patriot ACT gainned momentum and then permanence. Then we went to WAR, instigated two wars to SEEK revenge, not justice for the victims of the horrific attack. And we are faced with the disgrace of TORTURE and Bush/Cheney admitting to war crimes. And the latest, the US Congress unwilling to take care of the health care of first responders and the acquiescents of the american public to the mistreatment of those valiant americans by their govt which is their society of people. Then of course, there is the political abuse of the occasion by politicians who profess patriotism and then betray the principles of the US costitution. We will never forget 9/11, like we will never forget Pearl Harbor. But unlike Pearl Harbor which brought out the best of americans: 9/11 reminded the world that the UGLY AMERICAN can still rear its ugly head.

We can spend 364 days of the year attacking American foreign policy or blaming ourselves or beating ourselves up for our sins, real and imagined. However, let us spend one day – just one – commemorating what happened that day and remembering the victims and their survivors.

Just one day. If you think the coverage is excessive, turn it off. Go for a walk. Read a book. Listen to music.

The other 364 days, feel free to blame America or piss on it. It’s, after all, a free country.

“If you think the coverage is excessive, turn it off. Go for a walk. Read a book. Listen to music.”

A point I wanted to make but couldn’t find a place for here was that this wasn’t actually possible for people who lived in the New York area during 9/11. Now, yes, it definitely is, but for a good month there the giant red blob of toxic ugliness that replaced the Twin Towers was inescapable from every street across the river, and if you happened to find a place in Jersey where you couldn’t see it, you couldn’t escape the smell. I think this element of the tragedy, the fact that kids and victims and victims’ families and friends were exposed to this for an extended period of time with no escape is a very overlooked part of the tragedy, especially for people who don’t live in the area.

I agree that the 911 tragedy will not and should not ever be forgotten. The lost lives are indelibly engraved on our souls, and those of the families and friends of the lost ones. But I find myself overwhelmed and overdosing on the coverage for this remembrance. Those of us who watched it happen on TV, by phone, from pics do not need to continue to play the sadness and horror. It seems we are constantly pulled back and our loyalty to our country is called into question, if we do not relive it over and over.

Thanks for that additional point. I think perhaps you need to add it to your post.

As I said, I can’t understand why setting aside one day in memory of those events is so controversial. We can spend the rest of the year criticizing our reaction to it and our government’s policies.

But one day of respectful thougth and consideration for the victims and their families isn’t asking too much.

Huh! …..or better yet WTF are you talking about?

1-”Leon Panetta, Obama’s CIA director, has said that the new administration
will continue the Bush administration’s practice of rendition to third
party countries and relying on those countries’ suspect diplomatic
promises not to torture”

2- Elena Kagan, the administration’s nominee for solicitor general at the
Justice Department, pledged to continue detaining indefinitely prisoners
without trial,

3-America’s Secret Libya War: U.S. Spent $1 Billion on Covert Ops …

Obama’s Unconstitutional War

By unilaterally going to war against Libya, Obama is bringing America closer to the imperial presidency than Bush ever did.

Give the b s a rest CarmanK

911 was a tragedy yes, but if every time 3000 people died we still talked about it in 10 years, we’d be grieving 24/7/365 and still not have enough time, because that many people die daily anyway. The reason that we are still talking about 9-11 is because we are being conditioned to do so for political gain, nothing more. We are losing our freedoms constantly, and we keep re-electing the people who do it and ignoring the ones who can stop it.

I absolutely don’t mean to make light of those who died in it, quite the contrary, I think it is an extreme offense to use them for politics. Their deaths should be remembered by their family and loved ones, and the atrocity of 9-11 should be remembered as a day in history, but we should not be seeing front page articles still about this decade-old event, it is an offense to them to be used like this.

Warmth
then heat. Only one remembrance activity on 9/11 anniversaries keeps
the enemy from celebrating. Attack them on that day every year. Hold our
memorials one month earlier (8/11) to keep the energy away from the
enemies and give them a month to think about how they are going to get
slammed on 9/11.

Appropriate.
Honor our loved ones who died on 9/11 by not emphasizing on TV for the
enemy to see that they hurt us and we wail again. Annual public anguish
is exactly the joyous gift to the enemy that they wanted to put on us.
This weekend should be days of TV calling our enemies what they are and
slamming our strength down their throats, up their butts, and through
their sunken chests.

Help
Me Know. I haven’t seen it. Where is it? Are there huge 9/11 memorials
with thousands of people and world leaders present in forums AROUND THE
WORLD in countries of all religions denouncing the attacks and praising
the USA retaliation? 1. Is it happening? 2. Is the media covering it?
If not, those silent countries are also our enemies. Let USA strike them
for their covert support of the enemy.

“Meanwhile, in classrooms across the country, children and adolescents who lacked cognition or even the state of life that day are asking what the big deal is”.

Frances Martel

You put our children down without merit. Just because they were not old enough at the time, they, as you, as all of us, would not be ignorant of 9/11 unless they’ve been living under a rock from birth.  Nor would they, except for the odd child who has no interest in anything, ask what the big deal is when 9/11 is being discussed.

I cannot think of anyone I know that could ever forget 9/11, or dismiss it as not being a “big deal” because  time has passed.
 I also think the 24hr non stop coverage of the WTCs final moments has to be very hard for the many families who lost loved ones, to deal with. I know if it was I that lost my father, mother, brother, sister, cousin, aunt, uncle, fiance, or best friend in the WTC, or the plane crashes, I’d not want to see the horrible way they died repeated over and over by the media every September.

I’m in full agreement of services/gatherings to remember & pay our respects for the many lives lost on 9/11. I also believe that should be done in a more private way for the sake of the families that are trying to get on with thier lives without their loved ones.

I don’t think Ms. Martel is suggesting that 9/11 happened in a bubble. That’s sort of beside the point, but it would probably benefit us all if we studied history more comprehensively in general, meaning that we should look at the events both prior to and following 9/11, too.

Huh?

“much of today’s population was either not born at the time or too young to remember”

Most Americans are over 25 years old.

Get your facts straight.

“and those cursed with being merely alive but not participating in the
true grief of the event are growing exhausted of the burden”

Melodramatic much?  9-11 was terrible but it wasn’t quite the Black Death.

People who claim that the memorials must be conducted on the anniversary of 9/11 to the renewed glee of the enemy need to embrace one more thing if they are serious….. show the jumpers.  If the families want us to remember the horror…. show the jumpers.  Let us hear the audio of the bodies hitting the ground.  Play the sound. Show the jumpers.  2 minutes of the sights and sounds of the jumpers will bring all generations up to the horror of that day. Then vote on Defense spending, TSA techniques, and whether parents should get a tax break per kid or swimming pools at schools…etc.  Watch and listen to the thuds of the jumpers, then look at your selfish expectations from the government. Stand on the roof of your house. Think about jumping. Then think again about your life.

Exactly what Bin Laden said.

because it’s on the wrong day. Memorialize them on another day.  Use 9/11 to as a nation get in the face of the enemy. Let’s not create the celebration for the enemy on 9/11 each year.

Would the media be playing it so much if it wasn’t a NYC or Washington (east coast) event?  You will say it was a national event but let’s face it, national events and the coverage seem to be characterized by whether it happens to the east coast. Remember, the kids alive now were born after the settlers reached California yet the east coasters still consider Chicago, which is in the mid east, the ‘midwest’.

I’m not sure what other day we should commemorate?

Anyway, I’m pretty sure that our military will continue hunting down the enemy tomorrow. They won’t rest.

We can do both, I think.

and of course, many survivors have remarried. Just another consideration for those who have moved on to try to have functional lives.

Follow the ball.  Pick another day. Any day. Pick 8/11 for memorials. We pick other days for many remembrances including some of our holidays.  Let’s use 9/11 for a national fight day, not a national wailing day. Do not give our enemies a cake with lighted candles on it each year.

My my Judge you are really getting all excited at posting on here.   Calm down! You will live to post another day.

Rats. You used that valuable space for nothing. Time management, I’m posting today about a subject of today.

We have forgotton. Just like we have forgotten the last major attack on America, Pearl Harbor. I can just see a few Taliban Motors in the future with plenty of people lining up to buy thier cars, “but they are a bit cheaper and the quality is great”. I saw a bumper sticker on a toyota that said 9/11 we will never forget. I thought you already have!

You may disregard my story if you’ve seen it before.  On 9/11 I was 9 block away.  My husband was photographing the building — it had been hit.  Suddenly  he said the “building is tilting.  Policemen came running toward everyone standing around and told us to “Run.  Run.  As fast as you can.”  We did run far up the street.  Our daughter that morning was walking across the Plaza at the Tower.  She saw concrete falling around her and she knelt down.  (she is very petite).  A man came running to her and picked her up and carried her to a safe building.  The next day (I talked to everyone I could) I asked a man where he was on 9/11.  He said:  ”I am a paramedic and was off-duty.  I picked up and carried several people to safety.”  I hugged and kissed him because while I was not sure he saved our daughter’s life — he saved some people.  
“

1. Name another popular event more sophisticated than NASCAR?  There might be one or two but I don’t think you can come up with them.  2. Compassion or wailing?  Think about what the person posted. Glad you have compassion. Tis a good thing, but let’s have a goal now and take effective steps toward the goal. The time for wailing is done.

I lived that day, 3000 miles away, from just minutes after the first plane hit and for about the next 36 hours afterwards, glued to my tv and computer. I can only imagine how those in NY, DC and Penn felt. And the families of all those who listened to the voicemails of their loved ones who called from the towers or the airplanes, or who were fortunate enough to talk to them. The amazing stories of courage and heartbreak. The fear and the solidarity. The terror.

I will never forget. 

Nice piece, Frances.

So what?

“Many in the media will implore us to forget the day, to move on with dignity”

Brilliant post Frances! However, you may find that some in the media won’t appreciate what you are saying.

I have noticed this myself and I am very troubled by it.  Would the same media tell the Jewish community to move on from the Holocaust or tell the Black community to move on from slavery? Never. Why is this any different?

The Holocaust is way before my time, but I’m still horrified when I hear the survivors’ stories of what it was like in those concentration camps. I don’t think anyone would say that is empowering the Nazis.

Should we also move on from the bombings of Pearl Harbor? 

By remembering the anniversary of 911 we aren’t empowering the terrorists, we are showing them that their crimes have only strengthened us as a nation and on every anniversary of 911 we again feel that brotherhood that brought us closer together on that horrible day.

I am also troubled on this 911 anniversary by all the programs criticizing the wars and where the government went wrong in response to 911.

I was against the Iraq war, but those who like to complain about the wars should do their complaining at
another time and leave 911 to the victims and their families.

That is the least we can do.

That’s the thing. We’d have to be morons to not recognize and teach our children about what happened that day, why it happened, and what’s happened since in that context. It speaks many volumes about the world we live in.

Once we decide we’re going to stop teaching history because it’s icky and/or boring, we’re done.

Spot on.

Every day should be Put A Boot In Thier Ass Day!

I think we should leave it up to the victims’ families. When they feel it is time to “move on” then we should respect that, but what right does anyone have to tell those families how they should grieve?  Some say the families should grieve in private, but this was a very public attack.  Why should we silence it just because some people are tired of hearing about it? 

Frances, the “lingering of the event” happened outside of New York, too. All cable channels were either devoted to it, or off the air, for the first two weeks. Hardball ended with a live shot of the pile every day for months. The Daily Show – when it finally came back – was “no jokes, all 9/11″ for a couple months. Dan Rather and David Letterman.

The extended nature of what was in literal terms a one-day event was unprecedented. The entire country was in the grip of that day for a very long time. An excellent observation on your part that it rarely discussed.

While it is important to reflect and remember one of the darkest days in memory. Now that the memorial to the victims is completed and the 10th anniversary comes to an end. It should be time to dial it down. I know family and friends of one of the victims and frankly they wish that people, while never having forgotten this tragedy, would begin to move on and stop living in the past. Everyone remembers where they were. Everyone can remember the number of each of the flights which crashed into the towers, the Pentagon, and Shanksville, PA. Lets pay homage to the victims tomorrow and allow their families and friends to move on. I’m sure they would rather move on then keep reliving and crying over the tragedy year afte year for the rest of their lives. Life is too short.

“… 9/11 reminded the world that the UGLY AMERICAN can still rear its ugly head.”
Really? Maybe you would like to stand in front of the N.Y.C.F.D. and make that asinine statement. 

Yes, all the way back to Thomas Jefferson and the Muslim pirates/terrorists on the Barbary Coast.

ACLU Report: “A Call to Courage: Reclaiming Our Liberties Ten Years After 9/11”

NEW YORK – A decade after the September 11th attacks, the United States
is at risk of enshrining a permanent state of emergency in which the
nation’s core values are subordinated to ever-expanding claims of
national security, the American Civil Liberties Union warns in a new
report released today.

“A Call to Courage: Reclaiming Our Liberties Ten Years After 9/11,”
shows how sacrificing America’s values – including justice, individual
liberty and the rule of law – ultimately undermines the country’s
safety. “It is our fundamental values that are the very foundation of
our strength and security,” the report says.

“We have titled it ‘A Call to Courage,’ because we believe that a
defining element of our national identity – embodied in our national
anthem’s pairing of ‘the land of the free’ with ‘the home of the brave’ –
has been imperiled by our leaders’ promotion of (or capitulation to) a
politics of fear,” the report explains.

It challenges the contention that the U.S. is engaged in a “war on
terror” that takes place everywhere and will last forever, and that
therefore counterterrorism measures cannot be balanced against any other
considerations such as maintaining civil liberties. America has become
an international legal outlier in invoking the right to use lethal force
and indefinite military detention outside battle zones, the report
says, and these policies have hampered the international fight against
terrorism by straining relations with allies and handing a propaganda
tool to enemies.

Taking on the legacy of the Bush administration’s torture policy, the
report warns that the lack of accountability leaves the door open to
future abuses. “Our nation’s official record of this era will show
numerous honors to those who authorized torture – including a
Presidential Medal of Freedom – and no recognition for those, like the
Abu Ghraib whistleblower, who rejected and exposed it,” it notes.

The report details how profiling based on race and religion has
become commonplace nationwide, with the results of such approaches
showing just how wrong and ineffective those practices are. “Targeting
the American Muslim community for counterterrorism investigation is
counterproductive because it diverts attention and resources that ought
to be spent on individuals and violent groups that actually pose a
threat,” the report says. “By allowing – and in some cases actively
encouraging – the fear of terrorism to divide Americans by religion,
race, and belief, our political leaders are fracturing this nation’s
greatest strength: its ability to integrate diverse strands into a
unified whole on the basis of shared, pluralistic, democratic values.”

Concluding with the massive expansion of surveillance since 9/11, the
report delves into the many ways the government now spies on Americans
without any suspicion of wrongdoing, from warrantless wiretapping to
cell phone location tracking – but with little to show for it. “The
reality is that as governmental surveillance has become easier and less
constrained, security agencies are flooded with junk data, generating
thousands of false leads that distract from real threats,” the report
says.

The report points out that many controversial policies have been
shrouded in secrecy under the rubric of national security, preventing
oversight and examination by the public. “We look to our leaders and our
institutions, our courts and our Congress, to guide us towards a better
way, and it is now up to the American people to demand that our leaders
respond to national security challenges with our values, our unity –
and yes, our courage – intact.”

A Call to Courage is available online at:
http://www.aclu.org/calltocourage

More information on the 9/11 anniversary is available at:

http://www.aclu.org/9-11-anniversary

Great article and very relevant to anyone under 25. My daughter was five in 2001 and has not been of an age to REALLY comprehend the ramifications of that day until recently.  We have watched only one program that time-lined the entire day hour by hour starting with Bush on his morning run with the secret service and ending with Osama bin Laden as deceased.  It help put into perspective the confusion and horror that was unfolding on LIVE TV that day.

Many of her friends have fathers who are SEALS and in the Navy, they have essentially been raised under the conditions/sacrifices of war the majority of their lives. 911 and the history of that day including the Islamic terrorist should not be watered down under the flood of PC filters. It happened, life has moved on but on the 10th anniversary it is good to revisit the heroic actions/stories that moved our nation that day. 

Would the same media tell the Jewish community to move on from the Holocaust or tell the Black community to move on from slavery? Never. Why is this any different?
Most excellent point.

Left turn, left turn….straight…..straight…LEFT turn, left turn…straight…straight…(repeat 200 to 400 times

VERY sophisticated

no dumber than any other sport.

I mourn not only for the 3,000 lost on 9/11, but for our country, which lost its soul and went off on a disastrous path following the attacks from which we’re still trying to recover. The Iraq war, the heightened xenophobia and fear-mogering, the ‘with us or against us’ ugliness of our politics today – all came from that day.

I think he meant we would lucky if we never have a day like 9/11 again.

It is not easy for me to forget 9/11 when we have a Muslim in the White House attacking America from the inside.

Forgetting??  You bet.  Our hatreds are bigger & better than ever.  Courtesy of “The Worst Generations.”  Empty, narrow people with no moral/ethical center.  Entitled.  To what???

Very thoughtful piece. I feel sadness whenever I see these images, but also resolve that our country, our people will never be diminished in spirit through actions as atrocious as these. We are Americans. With liberty and justice for all. 

I add my kudos, Frances.

No matter what the media wants the public to do; no matter what Bloomberg or Soros or Obama want the public to do, “we the people” of this country will find ways to remember and to honor those who died on 9-11. Those who want to put those memories aside, show us all their true character.

The speeches by Bush, Clinton and Christie today were uplifting and heartfelt. I appreciate the words said and the sentiments expressed.

 We are an obstreperous lot, boisterous, contentious, and stubborn. We are also patriotic, compassionate, and courageous. Tell us we cannot honor our heroes and we will do it anyway. The politicians and media have “jumped the shark” by wanting us to turn the commemoration of 9-11 into something it is not. I was distressed by having professional football games on 9-11, but I applaud Lance Briggs for finding a way to honor the victims of 9-11 and the NFL for bending to the will of the players and fans. Some of you will criticize this as “commercialization,” but do you offer the same critique for the pink shoes and gloves of Breast Cancer Awareness?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2011/09/10/lance-briggs-issues-statement-regarding-nfl-s-decision-911-commemorativStatement by Lance Briggs, six-time Pro Bowl linebacker for the Chicago Bears:”“Thank you to the NFL for letting us go out on Sunday and honor those lives that were lost in 9-11, the servicemen who have lost their lives to protect our country and those soldiers who continue to do so.”Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2011/09/10/lance-briggs-issues-statement-regarding-nfl-s-decision-911-commemorativ#ixzz1Xbq9q71o

If there is a Taliban Motors in the future, this will be a good thing. It will mean the Taliban has left its wicked medieval ways behind them and decided to become part of the international community. It will mean the Taliban is not a terrorist organization anymore and is now practicing moderation rather than extremism. It will mean Afghanistan is possibly for the first time in hundreds of years experiencing a sense of peace and calm. It will mean the Middle East may be a much safer place. Let the Taliban build their cars!

I prefer a peace loving Japan that makes Toyotas for us Americans who is also a friend of ours and the international community rather than a belligerent, hyperpatriotic and militaristic Japan trying to expand its borders by violence and death. General MacArthur was correct in trying to make Japan a part of the international community rather than subjecting Japan to eternal vengeance.

Sometimes you have to forgive. This does not mean you forget. If humans never forgave, the human race would have died out thousands of years ago. Remembering also does not mean being a slave to the horrors of the past either. We can move on, live our lives and remember as well as honor. All at once.

You advocate a dark path that followed over time will eventually make us no better than Bin Laden and the Taliban.

Rather medieval of you.

You want us to become more violent and militaristic. Just like the enemy. If we actually did what you want the American military to do, one would truly wonder if the enemy actually won on 9/11/2001..

Thank God we have saner minds in power. Judge Wyld, you sound like the NeoConservatives on steroids.

You sound more like the Taliban than a 21 century American.

If we did as you suggest, expect more and bigger 9/11′s.

You are saber rattling. A time honored approach. Tough talk is cheap. Doesn’t usually accomplish much. Except higher ratings.

An interesting, dare I say, polemical, set of comments.  Well done.  I too have been known to do such on occasion. (chuckle…)

I have written recently, that we are now involved “in a great Civil War.”  Fortunately, this “war” is over the national philosophy and has not, yet, come to blows, or “factionalized,” which could/would be just as bad?

For what its worth, the Union thuggery taking place in Seattle is not getting much attention in the media and for that matter, neither is “Operation Fast and Furious” down South.  (Note: I have some sympathy for the rank and file)

My conclusion: Were the media to actually do their jobs, the Political Landscape would look a bit different…

Purveyor of Rhetoric

Blueblogger used this space for an opinion. That is what sites like these are about. You have the right to your opinion. So does Blueblogger.

The same question could be asked about your posts.

E.J. Dionne is correct.

If there wasn’t an “evil empire” on Earth,  many humans would feel the need to invent it.

Exactly.

I agree, Nacho II

We in contemporary America lack perspective in what other nations go through!

Look at the history of WW! and WW 2.
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Unfortunately, there are certain people who want to use anguish and tears over 9/11 to advocate an increase in the military industrial complex. They want us also to be in perpetual wars oversees, with America being a permanent war-state with more of our precious freedoms taken away. They want vengeance. And hate. They want 9/11 to be used for partisan gain.

No thank you. The victims of 9/11 need to be honored and grieved. Not used as pawns for geopolitical warfare and petty politics.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

The people of NYC went through Hell. I talked to a friend of mine living in Brooklyn and working in Manhattan 36 hours after the event on the phone. It was like talking to a different human being. She was usually very brash and egotistical. When I talked to her she was humbled, nervous and scared. It blew my mind. It was like talking to a different person.

I did not enjoy those hours immediately after the planes crashing. I lived in Asheville, NC and worked Downtown at the time. I walked around before work an hour and a half after the last plane hit (we ended up closing) Most people were shaken up. Many were visibly crying on the streets of downtown Asheville. I teared up at one point in my car in the parking garage. The local Habitat for Humanity downtown had working TV’s for sale in their display windows with the news on. Huge crowds gathered. I have never seen a day like that in my 40 years on this planet.

For awhile that day I thought we were entering WW3. I was really scared. Many of us were.

Thank you for remembering that we are all Americans. When I read the posts of some people, I think they forget they are Americans first and Republicans/tea Party second.  On the other hand, that might be the problem – they aren’t Americans first.

The same was said for Pearl Harbor and eventually everyone moved on.  I agree.

Some people say
It’s what we deserve
For sins against g-d
For crimes in the world
I wouldn’t know
I’m just holding the fort
Since that day
They wounded New York
Some people say
They hate us of old
Our women unveiled
Our slaves and our gold
I wouldn’t know
I’m just holding the fort
But answer me this
I won’t take you to court
Did you go crazy
Or did you report
On that day
On that day
They wounded New York

Leonard Cohen

I don’t think they are saying “forget it didn’t happen” at all.  I think they are saying we need to put it in the same category as we do Pearl Harbor.  Visitors take in the sight, learn the story and at the big anniversaries -like 25 & 50 years, they have a memorial service.

I don’t think they are saying “forget it didn’t happen” at all.  I think they are saying we need to put it in the same category as we do Pearl Harbor.  Visitors take in the sight, learn the story and at the big anniversaries -like 25 & 50 years, they have a memorial service.

And Denver is”out west”.  To hell it is!!

There’s no union “thuggery” taking place in Seattle – never was.  See how much mis-information you get?
The union problem wasn’t in Seattle although the longshoremen in Seattle & Tacoma walked off the job for ONE DAY. The dispute is at the Port of Longview which is in the southern part of the state on the Columbia River.

There’s no union “thuggery” taking place in Seattle – never was.  See how much mis-information you get?
The union problem wasn’t in Seattle although the longshoremen in Seattle & Tacoma walked off the job for ONE DAY. The dispute is at the Port of Longview which is in the southern part of the state on the Columbia River.

I don’t think Osama bin Laden can watch that anymore.

CarmanK was correct.  All one had to do is read your post and that shows EXACTLY the Ugly American spoken about.,

See what I mean – tiredofbs is the UGLY AMERICAN.

It’s not about compassion, don’t kid yourself. The 24/7 news media is a beast that feeds on anything it gets to fill time. It’s filler. They’ve reduced a horrible tragedy into an easy way to fill time between weather and NFL updates.

How we responded were the consequences.

Of course the loss of life is the tragedy, but 9/11 isn’t really about the loss of life, it’s about a terrorist attack on our soil.  9/11 was an attack on America, not those 3,000 people; That attack on our country is what the people have rallied around and is what was the cause of us giving up many of our rights and sparked our revenge mode into action.

Basically, and your back yard cuz they’re coming for you and your way of life next.

Or so I’ve heard, still ten years later…

Wrong, by joining with the WORLD in its attempt to prevent the massacre of many, the Obama did the responsible thing as an ally of the many and champion of human rights. Obama did the right thing and he did it the right way, which is what drives the repugs crazy. Obama did what Roosevelt die, he joined the forces of the world to bring justice to those being abused by tyranny but were willing to die for their freedom. there were no freeloaders on the effort to overthrow Quaddafi. BUSH/Cheney lied to get us into Iraq seeking revenge and profit. They conducted the war shamefully and prolonged it unnecessarily because of their incompetence. They sent our soldiers into combat with inferior equipment and then justified it by saying “we go to war with what we have”. The comparison is that: Obama acted responsibly and minimized loss of innocents in Lybia, while BUSH/CHENEY went into Iraq like a MACK truck, destroyed thousands of innocent lives and cost america untold american lives and treasure.

GORGEGIRL,

What a pleasant surprise to find your seemingly undaunted response to one of my posts!

However and respectfully, please allow me to ask “what is your point?”  Are you concerned with my inept geography, or the the substance of the debate itself?  I can’t quite tell which, help me out?

IF, the problem is my error in claiming the “thuggery” took place in Seattle and NOT in the Longview Ship yard, then there was no “misinformation” disseminated.  Rather, I simply made an error in location of a crime.  Yet, a crime(s) was/were committed by the same group of “THUGS!” LOL  (Charming “Thugs I am sure, but “thugs,” none the less)

Moreover, my post contained other facets that should have been more than curious to the Media and American polity, why did the Seattle, (oops) I mean Longview “thuggery,” catch your eye, when selling weapons to terrorists did not? (Fast and Furious) 

You could have easily paid me compliments for the rest of my post and just made an off-hand and polite comment pertaining to geographical error?  But, I suspect you are possessed of ulterior motives?  Am I right?  LOL

Have an “ordinary” day…

Purveyor

On the contrary, not only are some in the media encouraging us to forget 911 they seem to want to use this opportunity to condemn this country for the wars and concentrate their efforts on defending the Muslim community.

Let’s not forget, unlike the attacks on Pearl Harbor, these were attacks on innocent civilians.  Men, women, and children just going about their lives.  That is the difference that makes September 11 so much more personal.

Those who do not care to watch can do something else.

So what about the blow back principle. I have the heart and the lifestyle day by day, year after year of a giving person to children and the elderly. I still receive blow back. Even in doing good there are actions that must be done that others aren’t mature enough to accept. This is not an ‘at you’ at you. Just a consideration beyond slogans. Have a great day.

Count slowly…up from your post… one, two…see the blueblogger post. It was not an opinion about the subject. I think you clicked the wrong reply button and meant it for someone else. Either way, have a great day.

Seriously… “over time”.  We treat everything as if it doesn’t have an expiration date except our security. Our security and strength in the world is based on military might, not convincing irrational people to be nice. I can agree with you that dumb, outdated ideas that haven’t expired yet must be done away with. PROM should have expired. Sports in schools should have expired. Child tax breaks should have expired. But national security for a democratic republic is still obtained in this world by strength now and for the foreseeable future. I understand that you may be impulsive and out of control and view others that way, but think about the insanity of your assumption that strength in defense and survival means blood lust.  That really isn’t a thinking persons’ reality.  You live in a cartoon world were one shock destroys your will to fight to survive. There must be a label for everyone that you use so you don’t have to think.

Great article.  I have to say that it frustrates me that our sons (ages 15 and 17) don’t “get it” — don’t think that 9/11 was that big a deal.  I mean, they understand the gravity of it all, but they don’t understand why we need to reflect on those events, and why we must never forget.  When it happened 10 years ago, there was some  level of fear (as young as they were) and there was even a time after 9/11 when we couldn’t travel with the younger one because he was terrified of planes and strangers. But time has eroded those memories, and they just don’t understand the impact the event had to this nation.

You like to label and play the ‘sounds like’ game. It’s a shortcut to not have to think. You also like bumper stickers instead of thinking, so try this…   People who live primarily by ‘feelings’, feel that others don’t have enough feelings; People who live primarily by thinking, know that others don’t think enough. …. Get it? Even though you feel that others don’t feel, they really do. It’s just that they don’t let their feelings keep them from thinking.

Sorry if it wasn’t clear. You picked up a lil cute saying. I’m not sure you know how to apply it. I didn’t suggest saber rattling, I suggested using the saber on the anniversary so the world remembers we will do more than talk. Memorials on 9/11 is the cheap talk you mentioned and doesn’t accomplish much except higher ratings for the media and honor the attackers.  Good for the enemies’ recruiting.  If you meant personally, (since you have a tough time talking about a subject without getting personal) I do have my 20 retirement letter from the Army services. Again, have a safe day. Life is a blast.

Sorry but there isn’t much difference between Washington, Oregon, and whatever states are up over there. If people are going to say, “The South”, “East Coast”, and the dumbest of all… chicago in the midwest????  then I’m sure you can understand that Seattle might as well be considered in Alaska as far as the rest of the country is concerned. :)   That aside, When union members hide their faces with handkerchiefs out in public to commit vandalism or worse harm, they are no longer a sympathetic person or group.

To be fair, Denver is west of the center of the country, whereas, Chicago and St. Louis are no where near ‘the west’ but are called the midwest.  KC should be the gateway to the west. Time for St. Louis to give it up. Like Nature Freak says from her hole, time to get into the 21st Century.

I support you in wishing this. I think japan went boom then boom before they decided to be nice and just make cars. And even now they are under the thumb that says they can’t create offensive weapons. When your beloved Taliban agree to live under the thumb and be nice, then we will both be happy.

Who are these people whom you fantasize about?  Are you open minded to see the other people who might disagree with you versus just these few fantasy people whom you disagree with?  What about the non-partisan, non-war’ing, non-haters, who just want to save your butt from the realities of the battles on this earth for country borders, earth assets, and whatever else people naturally fight over. Medieval or not, you can’t run from your responsibility to live in the current world. You can use wishing words here while the military industrial complex provides your security and provides jobs for those of all education levels as a true shovel ready jobs infrastructure. Yes. Thank them or it will be your eye poked out as you stand there defenseless. I do forgive you and hope the merits of the forgiveness brings you to caring for everyone who protect you and not just your own wishes to hate the haters.

9/11
Fight Forgotten. The young generation that doesn’t know and won’t know
how to fight for itself and will be stunned into paralysis as enemies
roll over them. They will not learn about military defense, or offense
as a necessary defense, by today’s media show honoring the enemies
attack. They will learn to cry, wail, hold hands and put private
memorials on TV. Today is Reality TV amplified.

Let’s be clear. Let’s
remember. Let’s honor. But the other part of the picture must be taught
to the younger generations. 24 hours a day over a weekend must be spent
on highlighting our military strength and our resolve to use it when
attacked. THAT is the message of 9/11.
Rolling in flowers never saved anyone from a bee sting. Is the media
covering 9/11 celebrations that our enemy is having? They are eating
Nachos and dip with a few beers and cheering while watching our grief
10yrs later? Today is a day that many people in the USA will just turn
on the TV now and then to see if we’ve been attacked.

Nothing wrong with remembering but when is it time to move forward?  It’s been 10 years and quite frankly watching the ongoing coverage of that awful day is simply overwhelming.  Who wants to go through that again?  Without question the most awful day for most of our lives and we have to relive this?  The more we continue to commemorate this date, yes the terrorists win.  No one lessens the compassion for the people who died that day but when do we decide to take a deep breath and look to the future?  What’s next, 15 years?  I don’t want to see this anymore.  Thank God for football.

Maybe that’s your fault. 

Maybe that’s your fault. 

Ms. Martel, You need some serious therapy.  This was a public tragedy but grief is private. The media circus that occurs annually around this event is disgusting.  Show me the data that suggests public grieving is actually helpful to the healing process.

So much more has been lost post 9.11 because the day has been trivialized by trope and treacle surrounding the “heroes”, the “survivors”, the “children” etc.  It is painful to watch how the media tries to find a new way to make this event “fresh.”

The real story about 9.11 is how this tragedy brought out the absolute best in New Yorkers of all ages, races, genders and socio-economic classes. It was a reminder that regardless of who you are in NY (or the US for that matter), we’re all in the same boat.  Tragedy doesn’t discriminate.  The message is harsh but relevant, particularly in a country that is more divided now than ever before.   

The post 9.11 generation should be allowed to experience the world differently than we did.  I pity the kids who did lose parents in 9.11 because people like you will rob them of their identities as individuals, seeing them only as the “children of”.  We have no right to force our baggage on to them.  This generation doesn’t live with the threat MAD or thermonuclear war and will be just fine, if not better than ours because they won’t have the luxury of pretending we’re something we’re not.  They won’t be able to credibly walk around and say “Why do they hate us?”  This generation is more wired and bettered informed than any in the past. I have no worries for them.  It’s people like you who can’t let go and move on that need the help.

So my post makes me an Ugly American, how? Because I feel that on 9-11, Americans watched people pushed to the extremes of life/death actions and responded heroically? The post was about the aftermath of 911. It should read Ugly Politicians not Americans.  The “disgrace” of that “torture” led to the capture of terrorists and subsequent prevention of new attacks and eventually to Osama bin Laden. 

Speaking in terms of invading ‘civil liberties’ how can one support a universal healthcare system based on the same premise of shared information made possible because of the Patriot Act? Would I be an Ugly American if I supported that cause?  Would I be an Ugly American if I believe shared information between intelligence agencies was necessary? It is easy to think Pearl Harbor brought out the best – but the poster  CARMANK, clearly forgot about our Japanese internment camps, the complete disregard of human and civil liberties that followed that attack. If my post make me an ugly American they your comment makes you ignorant of history and consequences.

Interesting views. I can respect them for your attempt to express them.  Agreed about grief being private. Also agreed about the trivialization. The ‘real story’ is not about the New Yorkers unless you accept the premise that New Yorkers were terrible people before and are now wonderful to each other. That approach may be a nice local story but not a national story. It’s not unique or unexpected by most communities across the USA who live daily with people being kind and sacrificing for each other. Again, very nice post to get us to think about another perspective. 

I guess you should just destroy all Muslims then.

I guess you should just destroy all Muslims then.

Next weekend let’s have two full days of weeping on every TV channel by the media and politicians over drunk driving victims from the last 10 years. No No No, let’s not talk about the drunk drivers being bad.  Let’s just explain what WE did to cause the drunk drivers to do what they did. Don’t talk about the punishment for drunk drivers.  Let’s implore people who want to punish drunk drivers to just chat with them and convince the addicts to never do it again.  In the mean time, don’t have more cops to stop drunk driving.  Let’s cut drunk driving defense budget.

 My premise is the exact opposite. As a New Yorker who was not in the city that day, my fellow NYers showed themselves to be who they truly are–great people.  They exhibited the behavior that non-NYers think is only practices in the provinces of small town folk.

The greatest lessons in life are never learned from getting knocked down, but from getting back up. NYers picked themselves up and kept going. The post 9.11 generation continues to move forward with closer ties, thanks to Facebook and Twitter, to their peers in the Middle East and elsewhere, than any other.  There is a greater ability to understand the similarities between people than ever before.

Blabbering endlessly about the losses that occurred that day entirely misses the point of what we should be taking away from tragic situations.  Bad things happen to remind us that tremendous good that exists inside each and everyone of us, that each of our fates is inextricably linked that of each other and none of is will get through this life without some challenges.

http://www.thegic.org/profiles/blogs/reclaiming-our-liberties-10-years-after-911
Ten Years Later

Posted by Anthony D. Romero, ACLU

On September 4, 2001, my first official day on the job at the ACLU,
our agenda was already full as we embarked on a new decade of defending
civil liberties. Just one week later, our nation’s future—and the ACLU’s
— was fundamentally altered.
As we mourned the innocent victims and honored the fallen heroes of
9/11, we were reminded that America is not only the land of the free,
but also the home of the brave. On the evening of the attacks, President
Bush addressed the nation and stated,
“Our country is strong. Terrorist acts can shake the foundation of our
biggest buildings, but they cannot touch the foundation of America.”
We could not have imagined that in the decade to follow, our nation
would engage in policies that betrayed our foundational values and
undermined our Constitution. Pledges by the Bush administration to
uphold civil liberties in the wake of 9/11 quickly rang hollow.
We lost our way when, instead of addressing the challenge of
terrorism consistent with our values, our government chose the path of torture and targeted killing, of Guantánamo and military commissions, of warrantless government spying and the entrenchment of a national surveillance state.
That is not who we are, or who we want to be. And that is why the
ACLU has vigorously campaigned to defend the basic values of American
democracy. We argued for transparency and accountability, robust checks and balances, due process rights for all, equal protection for religions and ethnicities, and First Amendment protections for
protesters, dissenters and whistleblowers. We won landmark legal
victories, pursued years-long court cases, blocked harmful laws and
policies, and protected the rights of thousands of people nationwide.
But a decade after 9/11,
the U.S. is at risk of enshrining a permanent state of emergency in
which our nation’s core values are subordinated to ever-expanding claims
of national security. In other words: our nation still faces the
challenge of remaining both safe and free.
Today, we released a report entitled,
“A Call to Courage: Reclaiming Our Liberties Ten Years After 9/11,”
which shows how sacrificing America’s values — including justice,
individual liberty and the rule of law — ultimately undermines our safety.
Many of the controversial policies we discuss have been shrouded in
secrecy under the rubric of national security, preventing oversight and
examination by the public.
The unique danger inherent in trying to articulate a war against
terrorism, or even a war against Al-Qaeda, is that the “end” of such a
conflict is a distant abstraction, not an actual event. Our report challenges
the contention that a “war on terror” that takes place everywhere and
will last forever makes us safer. By invoking the right to use lethal
force and indefinite military detention outside battle zones we hamper
the international struggle against terrorism by straining relations with
our allies and hand a propaganda tool to our enemies.
Taking on the legacy of the Bush administration’s sanction of torture — perhaps the most shameful of post-9/11 policies — the report warns that the lack of accountability for torture leaves the door open to future abuses.
The report details
how profiling based on race and religion has become commonplace
nationwide. Fundamentally, profiling-based counterterrorism
investigations are doomed to fail because they are predicated on the
false and unfair assumption that Muslims are more likely to engage in
terrorism than other groups.
Finally, the report delves
into the many ways the 9/11 attacks have raised the risk of a permanent
surveillance state, through the use of warrantless wiretapping, email
monitoring and cell phone location tracking.
On the tenth anniversary of 9/11,
we call on all Americans to reflect on the turbulent decade behind us,
and to recommit to values that define our nation, including justice, due
process, equal protection, and the rule of law.
Our way forward lies in decisively turning our backs on the policies
and practices that violate our greatest strength: our Constitution and
the commitment it embodies to the rule of law. Liberty and security do
not compete in a zero-sum game; our freedoms are the very foundation of
our strength and security.
Over the next two weeks, we’ll continue the discussion in a series of
blog posts on the state of civil liberties since 9/11. And on Thursday, September 15 at 4 p.m. EDT, we’ll be hosting a live chat on Facebook. We hope you’ll join us; send your questions to @ACLU with #ACLUchat and #911 hashtags, or leave them in the comments section below.

Read more: http://www.thegic.org/profiles/blogs/reclaiming-our-liberties-10-years-after-911#ixzz1XhNxdzJ5

Some guy is standing in a building, it gets blown up.  Guy ends up on a memorial.  Stupid.

Yesterday a guy got run over by a truck.  Where is his memorial?

Wrong. Oh so very wrong.

Tell me one person who can’t grasp the significance or imagine the horror of Pearl Harbor.

If you look at the archives, the media barely mentioned it on the 10th anniversary. Check out the Lowell Sun from that day: http://j.mp/mXU75K and http://j.mp/pC4Ww2. Just an editorial. No commemorative editions or giant headlines or onslaught of survivors’ stories.

If you want to honor the fallen, let them rest in peace.

I disagree.  I think reliving the tragedy every year, like MSNBC is wont to, reinforces our trauma.  In a way, I feel like it keeps us from finding some sort of national closure.  It’s very important to remember the tragedy and tell the story to those that may not remember it, but it doesn’t seem like we’ve moved forward when I watch MSNBC reliving every single awful moment in real time with the anniversary   

I disagree.  I think reliving the tragedy every year, like MSNBC is wont to, reinforces our trauma.  In a way, I feel like it keeps us from finding some sort of national closure.  It’s very important to remember the tragedy and tell the story to those that may not remember it, but it doesn’t seem like we’ve moved forward when I watch MSNBC reliving every single awful moment in real time with the anniversary   

For better or worse, you’ve got your wish.  Video of people jumping / falling to their deaths from the twin towers has been all over television this year.  It used to be considered too shocking or too graphic, but apparently no more.

Buy thier wares if you must. I personally will not support terrorists of the past or present. Much less ones that carry the names of thier war mongering leaders such as Toyoda or Honda! Buy your Bin Laden today FTW

Buy thier wares if you must. I personally will not support terrorists of the past or present. Much less ones that carry the names of thier war mongering leaders such as Toyoda or Honda! Buy your Bin Laden today FTW

Thank you. I only saw a couple still photographs on tv. I prefer to see the jumpers than the families. The horror of innocent citizens need to be seen by the anti-war crowd. War is ugly, regardless if a side is on the offense or on the defense, but since war happens, everyone should pick a side and then go live there.

The Vikings/ Norsemen were “terrorists” at one time in the past. They forever altered the gene pool of the British Isles by rape and conquest. They did not play by the rules of the Celts. They practiced less than honorable warfare. Do you support boycotting the wares of their descendents?

By your definition, Scandinavia, and perhaps even England, Scotland and France should be boycotted.

Sometimes you have to let go. All of us without exception have ancestors that were terrorists. Most of the Japanese warriors of WW 2 are dead. Get over it!

I noticed you omitted Germany. Is this because almost one half of Americans (including myself) have German ancestry?

Beloved Taliban?

I don’t think so. They are a destructive dehumanizing force in Afganistan. They are responsible for evil. Still, hearts and minds can be swayed.

People like you created the Treaty of Versailles, which helped sweep Hitler into power.
You must absolutely hate Douglass Mac Arthur and Omar Bradley BTW.
Petty vengeance is not good foreign policy.

You are ABSOLUTELY right Frances.

Programming of the public is VERY IMPORTANT. I mean, who would ever want the people to actually feel safe and secure in their person. It is MUCH better that cronies in government sell their billion dollar spying equipment by mandate from the government. It is much better that the government creates an entire new bureaucracy of lemming public unions that are just above cabbage in intelligence but it is very important to get their dues to fund the Democrat/Communist apparatchik.

Yes, remembering the TRUE nature of the attack and who caused it is important. Of course that is NOT what programming is all about is it Frances? I mean, you went to journolism school, they taught you all about manipulation of the word and truth to get across a narrative……………..correct?

I had a Toyota once. Great car. Never broke down. When my finances are better, I may go out and buy one again.

What a stupid reply. The point is our nations history didn’t start on 9-11. We didn’t destroy Muslims. We do need to remember our foreign policies with middle east countries and that goes pretty far back.

Personally, I find drunken driving roadblocks to be an infringement on civil liberties.

Considering the fact that a majority of adult Americans have at least once in their lives driven while intoxicated, I find your comparison questionable.

Apples and Oranges. Terrorism is done with malice including extreme violent intent. Drunken Driving is stupid and wrong, but is usually done without malice. Usually just to get home. Two very different issues.

You seem to be a police state kind of guy.

Such a long winded spam comment, too bad the US is NOT a Democracy, it is a REPUBLIC with a Constitution that protects the rights of the individual. Maybe if you ACLU losers knew anything about government and history, people might actually listen to your drivel.

Nature Freak may live in a hole in the backwoods of 21 century Florida, but Nature Freak is not a “her”.

Sorry to disappoint you. My ex can vouch for me. Nature is a “he”.

At least my hole (not the other hole) has high speed internet. And cold beer. And bookcases full of books.

9/11 incident was not only for America rather it was big mistake of Laden. But U.S.A has proved that why is he called big power of world. I will pray for them 2,937 people.
http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110804001649AAF3Oc2

Nature Freak may live in a hole in the backwoods of 21 century Florida, but Nature Freak is not a “her”.

Sorry to disappoint you. My ex can vouch for me. Nature is a “he”.

At least my hole (not the other hole) has high speed internet. And cold beer. And bookcases full of books.

heeheheee hoohohoho You are so easily manipulated. I now have you calling responses to 9/11; petty. Way to go. Go with your beloved Taliban and get’m convinced with your coloring books of unicorns. I now can’t fight you, you are defenseless. Have a bouncy sweet day tomorrow. I know you look forward to your pink fluffy dreams at nap time on your sleep mat. :)

Is Judge Wyld Dick Cheney’s handle? John Bolton’s?

Other counties have their own affairs and problems to deal with. The entire world does not revolve around the US. Sorry to break it to you. Judge Wyld is the very definition of ethnocentrism.

Judge? In a Judge Reinhold sort of way?

You and Gordon Bloyer need to connect.

Yes. You should be in a padded cell. How about with your beloved terrorists with their malice including extreme violent intent where you can charm them with your innocence and whisper in their ear how they should be nice to the USA.  Go get’m with your fruity ideas. If you knew comparisons, you would see that the incongruity makes the comparison even stronger for killing your buddy terrorists. You are quite simple and have trouble using wisdom and making appropriate measured responses. Reading a book is not the same as understanding a book. Typically, quoting others’ work means you can’t analyze anything for yourself. Good luck…don’t forget to friend me on facebook.

Congrats. Must be confusing to figure out who you are with so many authors to want to be. j/k.  have a great day in whatever misnamed century ya find yourself in tomorrow.  Let’s both hope news in the morning is bland and no boom overnight. Judge.

I’m in your head. Your life is now looking up. If you had a life, you wouldn’t be so wanting to be hooked into famous peoples’ lives. Life is a blast when you develop your own talents and use them for the benefit of others.

You did not respond at all to what I wrote regarding your drunken driving example.

All you do is rant.

BTW, What is a fruity idea?

I am not on Facebook. Mark is disrespectful regarding personal privacy. Sorry.

You are unable to respond to mine or anyone elses posts here.

I doubt you are what you say. Is Judge Wyld the one who has you on house arrest with an ankle bracelet for some petty crime?

I thought you were for real at first and treated you respectfully. I was wrong.

WTF?

There are those here at Mediaite who disagree with me 24 7. At least I am able to have a reasonable conversation on occasion with them.

Neither of us are “famous people”.

Deal with it. Then have a real conversation here online.

I disagreed with you regarding your first posts, but actually thought you were legit. Boy, was I wrong.
Judge Wyld, you are famous in your own mind.

If we are never supposed to forget, as I keep hearing, then let’s be real about why. We need to make sure that the government never forgets to mistakes they made that led up to it and that followed. I think the individual hero worship and constant tears of the families who lost people needs to be toned down. Lots of people all over the world have gone through so much more of this, and since 9/11 many have died, tragically and suddenly, and are worth no less than those lost on 9/11. We have been living this every day for 10 years, and we need to think AHEAD, creating a better diplomacy and building a buffer against future tragedies so the country isn’t suddenly in recession, depression or any of the things we have been suffering from ever since if somehow this happens again, which it definitely could. We have joined the rest of the world, and are not immune or above it, we are in the thick of it. Let’s get smart and wake up.

If you really are a well known radio personality in Denver, I suspect this will be your infamous lost weekend. Sorry that the 10th anniversary of 9/11 brought you over the edge.

My issue with the “Judge” is not so much that you disagree with me, but the fact that it is impossible to have a substantive conversation with you.

9/11 was a terrible tragedy. We should be able to talk about it without becoming unhinged.

I do have a yoga mat. I will have pink fluffy dreams of Judge Wyld wearing an American flag speedo. Come to think of it, this sounds more like a pink fluffy nightmare!

Personally, I find warmongers like yourself to be the naive ones.

Please continue posting here at Mediaite. Do not disappoint Nature Freak!

Good Night.

The reason we feel that we have to keep this necessary is because lots of people are interested in it and they think they could score ratings.  I think there is just as much to be learned from Pearl Harbor but you don’t see people saying we have to make a big deal out of Pearl Harbor every year.  Mostly because 9/11 is fresh in our minds and has a lot better footage.  I think that 9/11 is more about ratings than lessons to tell you the truth.

America is Democracy

America is Democracy

You were engaged personally after your attempts to engage personally. Until then, people were sharing ideas about the topic. If you stop the personal bent to your attention seeking ‘call outs’ then you will be fine.

You could try writing poetry but leave out WTF.

Feel free to start over. The ideas were posted. You didn’t engage the ideas yet so your received responses along the lines you created. Sleep well, but I will not be repeating the posts again for you. Re read what was posted and engage the ideas if you wish or just think about them on your own. It’s ok with me. But if you go personal again, you will be in the same boat you were in today.

I’m actually kind of tired of people trying to over analyze or put some political spin on remembering 9/11. Suffice it to say that it was a tragedy that most of us were there to witness and we feel it would be doing the victims of that tragedy a disservice if we did not remember that day.

Congrats again. I think you will be ok when you realize that a measured response for the USA includes a decisive military action.

I’m insulted that you think I would ever waste money on “journalism school,” whatever that is.

Did WTF hurt your Topeka sensibities? Better take out the smelling salts! Even Sarah Palin has used the term.

I never said I do not write poetry. I do not usually post it because it is personal. You sure like to put words in people’s mouths, don’t you?

You do know there is a difference between one sided communication on the airwaves and conversing at an internet forum?

I will stop with the snark and scarcasm when you do. The 10th anniversary of  9/11 is over. You can “chill out” now. It is 9/12.

I will never forget 9/11 I know what I did that day like it was yesterday. Heard on the radio that plain hit tower 1 of WTC at 8:45AM then heard that Tower 2 was hit knew right then that Bin Laden was behide the attacks that Saddam knew about it has never been debuked that Saddam has nothing to do with it he did since Saddam & Bin Laden were pals everything which is fact. I had no school that day KVCC cancelled classes that day along with WMU as well.

Never read much huh? Start with the Constitution buddy.

Section 4 – Republican government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and
shall
protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature,
or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic
Violence.

Do you even know the difference between a Republic and a Democracy?

Sorry, going by memory thought you were a journo grad, my mistake.