How Do You Discuss Science When A Party’s Candidate Calls Scientists The Enemy?

I love how the liberal media would rather make the election about evolution and global warming than the economy.  Now that sounds like a winning strategy!! 

I am used to reading many an article with liberal bias but this piece was pretty much unreadable from headline to editor’s note.  I believe Mr. Bershad is so far twisted in the liberal narrative that he can’t even write a coherent or meaningful article.

Photos of polar bears floating and clinging to bits of ice sure tug at the heart strings and are iconic for global warming alarmists, but there’s just one problem – they’re meaningless and misleading.

For example:

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1887890.htm

As are most of the writer’s here at Mediaite.  Consider me checked!!

As are most of the writer’s here at Mediaite.  Consider me checked!!

As are most of the writer’s here at Mediaite.  Consider me checked!!

As are most of the writer’s here at Mediaite.  Consider me checked!!

As are most of the writer’s here at Mediaite.  Consider me checked!!

As are most of the writer’s here at Mediaite.  Consider me checked!!

I think it is funny that Liberals are still clinging to the “warming” hoax just like the polar bears are clinging to the ice in the pictures that were shown to be a hoax. How ignorant do people have to be to believe that THIS warming period is different from all the other warming periods we have had since the planet was formed? Although without morons who would attend Algore’s revivals?

“The problem is rooted, as so many that we at Mediaite cover, in the fact that our political discourse is ruled by a “black and white,” “us vs. them,” “let me choose my ‘team’” atmosphere all the way down to its two party core. ”
The Problem is actually simply rooted in republicans being wrong.

If you don´t acknowledge science just stop using anything that was invented through science. Keep your faith of creationism at home and outside of schools. Should be fair enough for the anti-science tools.

Home schooling is in my opinion a clear violation of the right of a children to access the best possible education. No other modern, civilized democracy allows children to be simply taken out of the society.  Children shouldn´t be prisoners of the parents´world view and through learning develop their own critical thinking. Not be brainwashed in a “Jesus Camp”.

Yes, science progresses through doubts and debating results within the scientific community. Not by talking points generated by paid charlatans in the interest of big oil like the Koch brothers. Science and faith can coexist as long as faith doesn´t interfere with science. There are more than enough scientists who are religious and still do a magnificent job in research. The problem starts when religious fanatics stand in the way of science like they did for many, many centuries and obviously do again today in America.

Spot on.

I’m a Canadian, so I have no horse in the race.  But Rick Perry thinks science is hooey… he was a B-minus student… he talks secession… come on, folks.  For a man to assume the role of commander-in-chief, I want him to be not only the smartest person in this room, but the smartest person in most any room.  Perry isn’t even the smartest in the room when he goes to Burger King, so why shold his thoughts on the economy be given any credence? 

Obama’s “hope and change” bullshit was all rhetoric… it created a racial divide that will take years to overcome… it highlighted the undeniable infantalism that runs through modern black culture (not Asian or Middle Eastern or Mongolian or Martian, just black) when noted blacks began to act entitled to the presidency over other Americans, and not just in addition to them.  But at least Obama was willing to compromise.  The way Perry speaks, you’d think he’d be fine with a civil war.

then why do you read it? I don’t believe Rush  so I never listen to him. Isn’t that simple?

So global warming is a hoax? Please take the bait

A B- student? He must be stupid then. Why, Obama was a, um, he was a…..what were his grades again?

I guess we’ll never know considering the fact that THEY’RE SEALED.

Good grief.

Maybe scientists could find a group of right wingers for a study of the effects of the sun rays in Australia. The right wingers compared to a group who uses sunblock over a longer period of time. Wonder how many of the fools would bet their own skin against science. 

“scientists do, in an overwhelming majority, believe in man-made climate change”

Really Mr. Bershad?

Show me the data and the source of this.

Until I see that, I am certain that:

YOU LIE!

Why don’t republicans believe in global warming? Because thier sponsers tell them not to.

I don’t think the “liberal media” wants to make issues of these things at all. Most of us liberals consider these settled and complete non issues. That’s the whole point.

Answer: You can’t. 

“The problem, the essay finds, is that those stories necessitate
reporting that scientists do, in an overwhelming majority, believe in
man-made climate change and that makes the journalist appear to be
biased against conservatives.

Wait, what? Since when did reporting a fact of science become political?”

This is of course a crock of shit (par for the course here at Mediaite). The main problem is that we have a bunch of former ambulance chasers jockeying for votes and hack blog writers struggling for readers acting like they know the first thing about science. These chumps wouldn’t recognize the scientific method if it dropped on their head.

First of all, it’s just plain wrong to state that the overwhelming majority of scientists believe in Anthropogenic Global Warming. It’s an unintellectual, cheap way to falsely try to add gravitas to your reasoning. There is absolutely nothing to substantiate this claim, and there is plenty to refute it. The most commonly quoted lie is 99% of scientists or whatever, which is lie of a lie; the lie is a twisting of a climate science web poll in which 99% of climate scientists clicked a radio button saying they believed in Anthropogenic Global Warming.

And more importantly, IT DOESN’T MATTER what a majority of scientists think even if that were the case. What these former ambulance chasers and hack bloggers don’t realize — because they failed the one science class they took, being the “intellectuals” they are — is that consensus is completely and utterly irrelevant in the scientific method. By that fucked-up logic, that mean Galileo was WRONG and the sun revolves around the Earth.

Science isn’t a stupid popularity contest. It’s all about what you can prove, and Anthropogenic Global Warming can’t be proven because it can’t you can’t DISPROVE. Calling it a theory is an insult to science. There is no valid falsifiable hypothesis, in absolutely no scenario will believers of AGW believe that humans don’t contribute significantly to global warming. And BELIEVER is the key word here, because that’s all it is — a belief system, a religion. Belief has absolutely no place in science, believing something means you can’t prove it in a rejectable manner.

Yes we all know that you libs hate that there are opposing points of view. 

We are here to let them know their bias doesn’t go unnoticed.  Deal with it!

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract
Expert credibility in climate changeWilliam R. L. Anderegg, James W. Prall, Jacob Harold, and Stephen H. SchneiderAbstractAlthough preliminary estimates from published literature and expert surveys suggest striking agreement among climate scientists on the tenets of anthropogenic climate change (ACC), the American public expresses substantial doubt about both the anthropogenic cause and the level of scientific agreement underpinning ACC. A broad analysis of the climate scientist community itself, the distribution of credibility of dissenting researchers relative to agreeing researchers, and the level of agreement among top climate experts has not been conducted and would inform future ACC discussions. Here, we use an extensive dataset of 1,372 climate researchers and their publication and citation data to show that (i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.

Because we have gotten in and out of 5 or so ice ages since the planet formed. In case you weren’t aware it takes heat for ice to melt.The earth warmed, cooled, warmed, cooled…over and over. It is how it works. Just because Algore says THIS time is different doesn’t make it so. What it DOES make is Algore a billionaire feeding the lie to the ignorant.

The earth goes through cycles, which is why these same scientists were warning of an ice age 40 years ago. 

Yes, parents must submit their children to the the liberal propaganda of the public school system.

 You’re talking about holes in the ozone layer, shit for brains. Has nothing to do with AGW.

I wonder if Algore read “New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism.” Probably not.

I agree, Harry. I’ve said this all along: I doubt Obama even went to school. If so, he certainly didn’t attend school in the US. As a Muslim, he was probably sponsored by various Middle Eastern terrorist groups who taught him about America and then injected him into our system to run for president. And now we have a terrorist-socialist in the White House.

So to answer your question: his grades are sealed because they only exist in some madrassas somewhere.

science changes all the time…….the big bang is that a fact? did a meteor kill the dinosaurs a fact?

If science stopped being taught in school, I would have done a lot better.
Question: “Why is the Earth round?” 
Answer: “God.”

Question: “Why is the sky blue?”
Answer: “God.”

Question: “How was the Earth created?”
Answer: “God.”

Question: “Why did my daddy die of cancer?”
Answer: “God.”

“Very good, Redleaf! You get an A!”

You’re mixing up fact, law, and theory.

As are the Anthropogenic Global Warming believers.

“.. it highlighted the undeniable infantalism that runs through modern black culture (not Asian or Middle Eastern or Mongolian or Martian, just black) when noted blacks began to act entitled to the presidency over other Americans, and not just in addition to them”
While I agree with your views on Rick Perry, can you explain what black culture is and how I, as a black man, is subject to a culture of “undeniable infantilism”.

I won’t play the race card but your comment is seriously offensive as there is no such thing as black culture (or white culture). “Us vs Them” mentality has to stop

you should google “the galileo fallacy”

No, global warming is real. We have had it since the beginning of the formation of the planet. What is a hoax is Algore preaching it as a death sentence due to SUV’s to ignorant masses for a billion dollars.

The IPCC?

You sure you want to cite them?

Do they have any credibility left?

Whats Algore? I’m talking scientific fact. As for the ice ages name the years of the ice ages since you brought them up.

Maybe he read the Discover magazine debunking of hte article:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/29/no-new-data-does-not-blow-a-gaping-hole-in-global-warming-alarmism/

huh? the abstract says the majority agrees with the ipcc. the authors occupations are stated on the page:

Department of Biology, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305;bElectrical and Computer Engineering, University of Toronto, Toronto, ON, Canada M5S 3G4;c William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, Palo Alto, CA 94025; anddWoods Institute for the Environment, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305

You should google “Association Fallacy”.

Actually, you should probably open up a science textbook.

Believing in either AGW or evolution requires more faith than believing in Christianity.  As a couple commenters have noted, there is no evidence that the overwhelming majority of scientists agree with AGW.  Where is the report, after all these years, that compares the credentials of the proponents vs. the many scientists–from places like MIT and NASA–who disagree?  Where is the reporting on the credibility of the AGW hoaxers, who have changed their predictions over and over?  Where is the coverage of the costs of their solutions, which the AGW hoaxers themselves report will make no measurable difference in “warming?”  Where is the analysis of the predictions of the hoaxers so far?  Al Gore has been pushing this for over 20 years.  Have his predictions been accurate so far?  If the media were concerned with “science,” they’d be asking these questions.  If Mediaite was concerned with covering the media more than promoting a viewpoint, Mediate would be asking why these questions aren’t being asked.

As for the anti-religious bigots above, nothing is more ridiculous than the attack of “keep religion out of politics.”  Have you ever read the US Declaration of Independence?  If you want religion out of govt and politics, then you deny the authority of that document and the US Constitution which is founded on it.  In which case you owe your loyalty to the Queen of England–and I suggest you go there and enjoy the fruits of a socialist, Godless government causing the country to implode.  Of course, you want to stay here, ignore basic logic, and take us down that same road.

Actually, the change from loyalty to facts to loyalty to balance has been trending for a while. It even sometimes happens in the hallowed screens of Mediaite. In this case, it simply more apparent.

just asking a  few questions to the people that preach science is perfect

Are you one of these freaks who teach their kids humans and dinosaurs were living 6000 years ago together on planet earth?

I know very well what I am talking about. You obviously don´t. Get a clue.

Science is what dragged us out of the swamps of the Christian Dark Ages. Scientists are trained 7 years in seeking the truth. Teabaggers want to drag us back to the Dark Ages. 

Not the same scientists: one dude writing a Newsweek cover story with no peer-reviewed scientific data to back it up? NO: NOT THE SAME SCIENTISTS

OR ARE YOU REFERENCING ANOTHER ARTICLE? PLEASE LINK US TO YOUR SCIENTIFIC PROOF!!!
PLEASE

You are only PROVING THE POINT OF THE STORY

Liberals can see they are starting to lose the global warming war and it’s scaring them.  People are starting to see that the policies these nuts are advocating will kill the remainder of our economy.  I’ll leave it to you to decide if that’s their ultimate goal. 

PLEASE EXPLAIN point by point

EXACTLY how an illegal immigrant goes to college, gets married, has jobs, and becomes President.

I WANT TO READ THE PLAY BY PLAY LOGIC IN YOUR MIND IN WHICH THIS SITUATION OCCURS

PLEASE

HUMOR US ALL

Perhaps this is a fine point.
In the article, I don’t see anything about climate scientists, just scientists.
Sorry, I’m not convinced.

It was man made climate change that melted the glaciers and left us the great lakes. :)

please spew some more Michefacts

Algore = a pet name for Al Gore.

Why do I need to post information about the ice ages? You are so convinced that the ex-politician is right.

While many scientists are seeking the truth, others are seeking to push an agenda, and insure their government grants keep coming. And those grants only come if they preach the man made global warming orthodoxy, because the grantor’s are also pushing an agenda; an ever expanding bureaucracy.

Because in every scientific article I read on this Algore or Al Gore was never mentioned. I just like when people show where they get thier info

31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDs

Global Warming Petition Project
http://www.petitionproject.org/

The problem, the essay finds, is that those stories necessitate reporting that scientists do, in an overwhelming majority, believe in man-made climate change 

Except that scientific fact isn’t determined by consensus; it’s worth remembering that it was once the scientific consensus that Einstein’s Special Relativity was nonsense.

 Here’s what Perry said:

“I do think that the concern of international warming has been politicized. I believe there are a significant range of scientists who have manipulated data so that they will have dollars rolling into their projects,” Perry said, The Washington Post reported. “I believe we’re seeing it practically weekly or even everyday, scientists who are coming forward and questioning the original concept that man-made international warming is what is causing the climate to change. Yes, our climates change. They’ve been changing ever since the earth was formed. But I do not purchase into, that a group of scientists, who in some cases were identified to be manipulating this data.”Now, of those points:(1) it’s clear that climate change has been politicized(2) there’s no question that there’s been some data manipulation and mistaken analysis, see eg, the NSF report on Mann et al(3) there have been three papers at least published in the last two weeks questioning the model of  anthropogenic CO2-forced greenhouse warming as the primary forcing in climate change.Perry, quoted accurately, has a completely respectable, if skeptical, view of AGW.The bias issue isn’t necessarily political, as educational: there are a lot of people in media who mistakenly  believe that consensus determines scientific fact, and an awful lot of people who have a political stake and financial stake, like Joe Romm and Al Gore, who exploit the relative scientific unsophistication of journalists to push their political viewpoint.

Did scientists predict an impending ice age in the 1970s?
http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm

During Bush’s second election the narrative was ignoring what was being done to the economy so we could worry about terrorism and gays. Any and everything was justified by going after the terrorists. In the end we didn’t even get Bin Laden until the democrat got into office. Now you want to belatedly focus on the economy.

“Obama’s ‘hope and change’ bullshit was all rhetoric… it created a racial divide that will take years to overcome… it highlighted the undeniable infantalism that runs through modern black culture (not Asian or Middle Eastern or Mongolian or Martian, just black) when noted blacks began to act entitled to the presidency over other Americans, and not just in addition to them.”

That statement displays your ignorance on so many levels.

Perry might have the most rational view of the global warming debate that I have seen.  Ron Paul still has my vote but Perry has gained my respect.

Oh, so all the Liberal scientists claim the paper is bogus. Shocker I tell ya, total shocker. The paper sites ThinkProgress. Gee, nothing like a un-biased source. Oh, and then there is good ol’ Kevin Trenberth as another “scientist” they use as a “credible” source. Are you kidding me? He thinks hurricanes are caused by global warming.

“The problem, the essay finds, is that those stories necessitate reporting that scientists do, in an overwhelming majority, believe in man-made climate change and that makes the journalist appear to be biased against conservatives.”

So what? This is what Kerry was talking about. Just because the facts aren’t neutral to an argument, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be reported, just to give the appearance of a balanced discussion.

Isn’t Obama also (supposedly) a Christian? 

Before I comment, can Jon Bershad tell which team he is, so I know whether to be on his side or not.  I mean, the fact that he considers Greg Gutfeld has any insight on American politics or culture is troubling, but that doesn’t prove anything.

If we are gonna re-created the Green and the Blues, we need to hurry up already and get the Nika Riots undwerway*

*Google it, it’s a cool part of a history, until the army marched in

I apologize for offending, and it’s my fault for not expanding.  I just wish more black kids would consider Cornell West on the same level as they do Kanye.  One is educated and passionate, one is passionate and petulant.  There are no more Tupacs, fiery intellectuals who would just as soon sit in a room and write as they would pose for a magazine cover.  I personally think that the record execs had enough of self-awareness in rap with NWA and Public Enemy and Tupac et al, which led to this popified bullshit we have today.  Rap music used to reflect “black culture”, and now it’s just about some spoiled asshole talking about himself ad nauseum, and I believe this has had a trickle-down effect on the current culture, and it is not specific to people who are black, but they are certainly swept up in it.  “Your money or your life so punk, act like you’re savvy.”  You can’t empathize with that.  So basically, this is a long-winded rant on the hippity hop.

They’re the people who wail against religion and treat science as a belief system instead of as a tool. I find it amusing :-)

Never has the level of atmospheric CO2 levels preceded rise in temperature.   Atmospheric CO2 level increases follow temperature rises.

WHo ya gonna believe?  98% of scientists or the Big Oil and Coal  industry funded Teabagger politicians who believe that Jesus rode dinosaurs? 

TEA party yahoos do not live in the real world and do not believe in science or scientific study. Perry is a good example. Perry does not have a degree in Scientific studies, science studies of any kind or Economics, yet he pronounces his own views as if he knew everything there is to know. After inheriting the governorship from Bush in Texas, Perry put together a group of backers who have bought him the governorship over and over. He graduated with a 2.22 GPA in Animal Science from Texas A&M and that in no way prepares him for the governorship, much less the presidency! Perry’s calling Social Security a failure smacks of the TEA party’s total disregard for the retired and those on limited income. Perry is using the Ryan Manifesto to make points and garner vote from the extreme confrontational-ists! These people are self professed Anti American, white supremacy jargonist. By saying Social Security is a failure and/or a Ponzi scheme, this is rooted in the bigotry and discrimination post the “Dust Bowl”! Rather than accept the goodness done by and for those who have gone before us to accomplish their life in comfort and grace, the TEA party would rather throw the entire process away. The general public does not have the time , experience or knowledge the Lawyers in Washington have put into these programs to effectively utilize these programs to the greatest extent they were designed for. Lawyers and previous legislator-politicians have slowly modified the process to the betterment of those with financial influence. One example is idea to add solvency or extend Social Security by First, raising the cap on income subject to FICA taxes from $106,800.0­0 to $190,000.0­0 as proposed by AARP in their current issue. AARP suggests this would close 31 percent of the gap. Workers who normally paid 6.2 percent had that reduced to 4.2 percent by the last Congress. The TEA party would raise that percentage back to 6.2 Percent under their proposal currently in the House. Employers now pay 6.2 percent towards FICA and if that were increased 0.1 percent to 6.3 percent additional easing on the gap would occur. By raising the cap in the first item to $250,000.0­0 and leaving the tax rates as they are now, would further ease the gap in tax revenues and spread the pain across more of the earnings of more Americans. The Republicans have in the past fought this issue for the well-to-do as they wouldn’t need Social Security in retirement. Yet these well-to-do would still draw from the Social Security well even though they didn’t need to! Further they capped the monies on earned wages and not on all sources of income, further allocating the brunt of revenue source on the middle class and working poor! If you thinks this would help to fix this problem or at least ease it, may I suggest you write and call your Representative and Senator in Washington and make your voices heard!

Why do liberal like Algore believe in it?  Because it’s making them stinking rich!

Nobody says science is perfect.
Please show us a post where someone claims science is perfect.

Science, however, does seek the truth. Science is constantly changing, correcting, updating, confirming and adding to its knowledge base. When something is proven false, the scientific community accepts it as false and continues studying, probing and improving with this new knowledge.

I’m sorry if science doesn’t have definitive answers to every question you’ve ever wanted answered. For that, you’ll have to turn to religion, which has only one answer to everything: God. 

then why do people claim man-made global warming is fact?…….science is constantly changing and correcting right?

Sure, science isn´t a popularity contest. I agree with that. Just in today´s world there is a huge difference in the way the scientific community works than in past times. More available knowledge to base research on, quicker exchange of information, a larger number of scientists etc. A consensus today is far more likely to be right than 50 or 150 years ago. 

Interesting point of comparing Anthropogenic Global Warming or climate change  with the existence of God. The existence of God can´t be disproved.

Just for scientific sakes, I suggest we reduce drastically and globally man made carbon dioxide in the atmosphere for the next 20-30 years, just to study the effect of before and after and gather some more data for comparison as well with the last decades.  I am pretty sure it would have an observable effect on the climate.

Wait, don´t scientists have models they can build or even computers where they can calculate the effects of changing amounts of certain chemicals in the atmosphere, factor all the stuff in and generate more detailed calculations everyday? Oh yes, they are called climatologists. D`oh!

With your understanding they should stop working because in the end they can´t do anything scientific with the factor human population and the impact of the human population on the climate. Great scientific thinking of yours. LMAO.

Btw, serious climatologists  will point out that they are not speaking about a 100% proven fact, but a thing which is very likely or in other words has a probability of at least 90%.

Obama’s “hope and change” bullshit was all rhetoric… it created a
racial divide that will take years to overcome… it highlighted the
undeniable infantalism that runs through modern black culture (not Asian
or Middle Eastern or Mongolian or Martian, just black) when noted
blacks began to act entitled to the presidency over other Americans, and
not just in addition to them.

Created a racial divide?/ Seriously? You think it wasn’t there until Obama got elected? I think Obama’s election high lighted the progress we’ve made , but also brought into the light the racial divide that still existed and needed to be acknowledged in order to be dealt with.
I’m consistently surprised by people’s expectations of our black citizens that they , having experienced what they have,and struggled long and hard to be seen as equals, should be neutral, and completely fair when it comes to the race issues. It’s an unrealistic expectation IMO. A more realistic one is that we continue to grow and deal with what Obama’s election has brought to light. To continue to strive for the more perfect union Obama referred to in his excellent speech concerning racism
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/obama-race-speech-read-th_n_92077.html

A speech prompted by the right’s use of race in the election.

His hope-and-change bullshit was a marketing strategy.  It did create a racial divide, it brought out the inherent racism of many whites and it showed that 95% of blacks voted for “their own” just because he was one of them.

Call me ignorant all you want.  But until you tell me why I’m wrong, I’m going to assume you know I’m right.

Endorsement of she?

Grammar, anyone? 

Endorsement of she?

Grammar, anyone? 

DID YOU READ WHAT YOU LINKED TO?

It says that a MAJORITY OF SCIENTISTS PREDICTED WARMING

NOT COOLING

IS THIS HOW YOU SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT?

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHh

DID YOU READ WHAT YOU LINKED TO?

It says that a MAJORITY OF SCIENTISTS PREDICTED WARMING

NOT COOLING

IS THIS HOW YOU SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT?

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHh

Don’t apologize, he thinks everything is racist. 

IMO, if Perry and other candidates acknowledged the reality of Global Warming {and Evolution} we could then easily move on to the more economic and political ramifications of that reality. A simple, Yes we embrace science, but we still have to decide what to do with the information science provides.

It’s the apparent denial of science altogether that many people find disturbing.

The problem many have with the extent to which global warming is man-made stems from the intersection of science and politics, fueled by unlimited opportunity for profit. When so much money is to be made from clean energy and more importantly, from Wall Street trading carbon credits on financial exchanges, one has to question monetary incentive. Funding for climate research has undeniably influenced public policy, as in the UN and East Anglian examples. Communists, socialists, environmentalists, and global warming advocates all share similar visions for society. It remains unclear how much of the current hysteria is ideologically driven.

No, just to the Medieval warming period. You might want to look it up. No SUV’s then either. We could even go waaayyy back to the early Pliocene epoch from 5.3 to about 3 million years ago which was much warmer than today and still none of those pesky SUV’s anywhere.

Much like gravity, the effectiveness of aspirin and the earth being round, the issue of global warming is settled within the accepted scientific community.
The problem is that the issue has become political.
Dealing with global warming means billion dollar corporations must spend money altering their business practices and conservatives will do anything in their power to stop that. It has nothing to do with science (or even religion). It has to do with profits. So if you’re a conservative, you’ll troll the internet ceaselessly until you find the tiniest straw to grab onto and debunk global warming. Why? Because profits are at stake, along with the possibility of increased government regulation. So you can ignore or rail against science because its conclusions don’t jibe with your political views. But that doesn’t mean the issue hasn’t been settled.

The day corporations can make a profit off global warming is the day conservatives will stop fighting it.

So in other words if they would just agree with what the left says everything would be fine. LOL.

Al Gore. Totally belive Al Gore. He would never steer you wrong. Him making a billion dollars off the hoax has nothing do with his deep concern for the planet.

The opposition of science is a neat propaganda tool to keep the uniformed tools mobilized and work for special interests who finance the GOP/TeaParty.

The opposition of science is a neat propaganda tool to keep the uniformed tools mobilized and work for special interests who finance the GOP/TeaParty.

Well earned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAOxY_nHdew

Well earned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAOxY_nHdew

You’re right, I was looking at several and meant to post this one:

Unearthed
video: Global warming alarmist Stephen Schneider caught on a May 1978
episode of the TV show In Search Of…The Coming Ice Age

ttp://algorelied.com/?p=2839

PS, here is another great article for there also:

Greens get honest: ‘We need to stop trying to scare the pants off of the American public. Doing so has demonstrably backfired.’

http://algorelied.com/

huh? No response?

It’s pretty funny that you call yourself “FreeCommonSense” because you’d think it’d be common sense for someone to not talk about something they know nothing about, science in your case, as if you did.

You capitulate to the fact that consensus is irrelevant in science — because I’m right and you can’t do anything about it. But then you say that it somehow has merit in being a substitute for ACTUAL scientific method. It was humorous watching your attempt to weasel something out of that, trying to helplessly defend your belief system.

And your few paragraphs on how we should “experiment” were great because they truly demonstrated just how much you don’t know when it comes to science. Reducing man-made carbon dioxide over 20-30 years and observing the results wouldn’t prove a damn thing. You’d have absolutely no causal proof of anything. In fact, your reasoning has been mocked for decades, with “experiments” for example which “prove” that ice cream causes people to commit murder. But hey, if it was an experiment conducted by a climatologist I bet you’d believe it. Doesn’t matter what the science is, just who’s doing it in your book.

I also love how in your solidly defeated argument you trying to frame what my argument is, saying that I’m telling them to just stop. I’m not telling them to stop anything. I’m just laughing at how they’ve created a belief system that “common sense” people like you so easily fall for. If they actually bothered to study what effects the climate, instead of just assuming your 6,500lb Hummer has any significant effect on a 6,500,000,000,000,000,000,000lb planet, then maybe they could actually formulate some theories and — even forbid — scientific formulas based on laws they’ve discovered so we could understand the world around us… you know, what ACTUAL scientists do for a living.

Its pretty clear cut. CO2 and other greenhouse gas levels in the atmospghere have risen dramatically from human activity. CO2 traps heat.   Doesnt take a rocket science to understand that.  

Which is exactly how liberals debate…  Here’s some facts.  ”Everyone knows you are wrong.” Here’s some logic.  ”I’m right because I say I’m right.”  Could  you answer some basic questions about your position?  ”You’re a racist!”

Maybe everyone who believes in global warming should hold their breath to save the planet.

96% of Scientists DON’T believe in Global Warming

Did you know that 96% of Scientist DON’T believe in Global Warming?
You might be surprised to hear this if all you listen to is the
mainstream press. Every time you hear a story on global warming you hear
the phrase “almost all scientists agree” or “97% of scientist believe
in global warming.” Last year a study came out saying 97% off scientists believe in climate change, but almost the exact opposite is true.

The study in question surveyed 1,372 known working climate
researchers. and found 97% of them still believe in global warming. I
think this pool is tainted because these are scientist who get paid to
study “Global Warming” which is a conflict of interest. That’s like
asking PETA members if they’re vegetarian, but regardless we will use
their number.

On the other hand the Petition Project has 31,000 scientists who have signed a petition saying that they don’t believe in manmade global warming.

So let’s do the math 97% of 1,372 is 1,330 who still believe in
global warming compared to 31,487 who don’t. That’s only 1 out 24 or 4%
of scientists who still believe in global warming.

I think those of us who are on the skeptical side of the debate
should use the other side’s tactic and repeat this over and over again
ad nauseum. 96% of Scientists DON’T believe in Global Warming.

http://www.minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/2011/07/96-of-scientists-dont-believe-in-global-warming.html

Now tell us why we should believe your PAID scientists and not these.

Yes, because Global warming and Evolution are claims of the Left.

A wise man noted Conservatism is by definition the opposite of whatever Liberals believe today. Updated daily. 

Melting ice, evolving bacteria right in front of us, it’s not true because Al Gore is fat

Al gore is not a billionaire.

No, he’s a secret Muslim.  he’s why conservatives check under their beds every night for the secret army of invading Mooslims Barry is bringing into the country

No, he’s a secret Muslim.  he’s why conservatives check under their beds every night for the secret army of invading Mooslims Barry is bringing into the country

No, but he’s make over $100 million on this hoax. 

You mean, just climate change, not man-made climate change.  Since, you know, we hadn’t exactly filled the atmosphere with CO2 from factories and automobiles, etc

Unfortunately (for him), people are waking up to it and that’s why he’s out there ranting and raving.  He’s losing money!!

No, it’s not clear at all. But hey, you have an agenda to push. Don’t let scientific method get in the way of that!

The ice just melted in my cup of soda. Clearly this is proof that man is causing global warming.

And the minute Algore stops making money by promoting the hoax is the day he gives up the fight. 

Michelle, one cannot lose facts.  You can deny the existence of gravity, for instance, all you wish, but it is still keeping your a$$ glued to your chair.  600 years ago, people who said the Earth was round would have lost a vote.  Didn’t make them right.  500 years ago, Galileo was laughed into prison for believing in a heliocentric solar system.  Didn’t make him wrong.

Public opinion as a way of measuring scientific data is so stupid that I’m surprised YOU believe it.

So, the existence of other changes in climate renders this one non-existent?  A does not follow B

If he is a christian as he says, has anyone in the media ever asked him about evolution or creationism?

Wow, you rant had something until the end…..went totally off the rails when you spot the word “creator” and think that is more important the words “inalienable rights.”  The Declaration does not subscribe to religion (that would ironic, since it was written by a Deist/atheist, depending on whom you ask).

Meanwhile, you can read the Constitution and tell me where you find the word “God” or “Christ” in the body of the document.  The Constitution is no more a religious document than is my car loan agreement.

Lastly, you want to avoid England’s troubles (which are small in comparison with most places in the world), then avoid the austerity measures the Tories used to prolong their economic slump

so sensitive

To begin with you assume his message of hope and change is what led to the racial divide. As a citizen of The United States of America I am saying you are wrong on that. Trust me on this, this country has a racial history that predates President Obama’s campaign for The White House.
You talk about the inherent racism of many whites. Well I would start off by saying that there are many more whites that support that message of hope and change than the racists, vocal as they may be as they are passed over by the changing times, who reacted angrily to the reality of a black man being elected president, not to his message of hope and change.
As for blacks voting for President Obama, it is not just because he is one of them. If that’s the case Herman Cain will get 95% of the black vote, at least. I love how people like to try to say that blacks voted for Obama just because he is black. Where were you for the last 43 presidents? They all had a little something in common. While relating racially can help, you are not seeing the broader picture. People vote for the person they best think can represent them. The person they best think will relate to them. They want that person that can best relate to their plight, that person that is going to keep them in mind, when decisions are being made. Case in point, many people felt that Bush couldn’t relate to the plight of the Katrina victims. When those people go to the poles they are going to want someone that best represents, and empathizes, with them.
I read your other post above. I too have my own issues with the rap industry, but Tupac? You’re going to praise him but rip Obama’s campaign slogan for creating turmoil in this country? Yes Pac put out some very thoughtful, poetic, material. But in the end he sold out. Yeah I just said that. He sold out. His catalogue of music is extremely bipolar. Is it about uplifting the black community or tearing it apart by creating a senseless East Coast/West Coast beef? I happen to know foolish criminals that were very much influenced by the “Thug Life” aspect of Pac, so I am speaking from personal experience, as a citizen of the US.

I thought we were discussing the global warming hoax?

Let me help:  did cjdohio create the universe:  No

Did he create a strawman from something no one said and then smugly destroy it and thin he won an argument:  Yes

tim gets an A

Let me help:  did cjdohio create the universe:  No

Did he create a strawman from something no one said and then smugly destroy it and thin he won an argument:  Yes

tim gets an A

hardly.  Love to be challenged by serious discussion.  Unfortunately, comments like the above are considered by liberals to be definitive arguments.  So I think they should be pointed out as the meaningless drivel they are.

Did the ice exist in your soda for a billion, Tony?

Why you answer that, do you know what a reductio ad absurdum is? 

Sure you do, Tony, you just used one

I just posted something above that you should take a look at.  I’d love your comments.  3

96% of Scientists DON’T believe in Global Warming

http://www.minnesotansforgloba...

Now tell us why we should believe your PAID scientists and not these.

Yeppers:  http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/01/obama-on-evolution/

Thought from Kansas (you do read that, don’t you?) has a post up with a quotation from Obama about evolution, taken from the York Daily Record (emphasis mine):

Q: York County was recently in the news
for a lawsuit involving the teaching of intelligent design. What’s your
attitude regarding the teaching of evolution in public schools?
A: “I’m a Christian, and I believe in parents being
able to provide children with religious instruction without interference
from the state.
But I also believe our schools are there to teach worldly knowledge
and science. I believe in evolution, and I believe there’s a difference
between science and faith. That doesn’t make faith any less important
than science. It just means they’re two different things. And I
think it’s a mistake to try to cloud the teaching of science with
theories that frankly don’t hold up to scientific inquiry.“

Don’t prove nuthin’ no how, unmutual, because them mooslims believe in creationism too!

Not what I said at all. You can believe the earth is flat and only 6000 years old if you want to but chances are you won’t be taken seriously as a presidential candidate. We can’t stop people from rejecting science but I’m not comfortable with our elected leaders encouraging it and participating.

He will be if all this crap plays out as planned. He has his tentacles in every aspect of the “green” movement. Who do you think owns the company that sells those famous carbon credits? Good ol’ Al. Now THAT is a pretty inconvenient truth.

“Since when did reporting a fact of science become political?”

Since the idiot pseudoscientists fudged the data to “prove” global warming was the truth.  That’s when!

It is the idiotic progressives who politicized science.  The worst culprit is Algore.  He is a phony who thinks he knows science.  He knows diddly squat about science.  He is just a snake oil salesman who incorporates his brand of ridiculous politics into science, thereby, making it a pseudoscience.

Not at all. It means the climate has changed many times since the planet was formed. It renders this one exactly the same as all the others.

Algore is Algae = MOSS = Man of Stupid Science.

No, it is because global warming (GW) is a pseudoscience.  If it was a quasi-science, it might hold some water.  However, GW is all wet, but it isn’t hydrogen-hydroxide.

Me thinks they are pretending they aren’t seeing your link.

Notice how the liberal media is completely ignoring the failure of these green companies.

That is a lot of hot air!

Whose facts ? Science has been hopelessly corrupted by billions of government directed money directed to the appropriate believers. This is the case in both the US and the EU. Global warming was the perfect intersection between crony capitalism (think GE), academia and the green movement. They all used it as an excuse to divert Trillions in the economy to spend on new stuff and justify millions upon millions of new regulations. It was about power, money and control. 
Thousands of scientists don’t believe in global warming or man caused climate change or what ever you want to call it. Ask those who study the Sun, ,many will tell you that variations in the sun are the source of climate change, not SUV’s on earth. 
Now, popular opinion should not dictate science, in fact probably 80% of politicians state they believe in “climate change” because they don’t want to be mocked by the scientific elite…aka journalists and talk show hosts and be made the but of jokes- because to some, like communism – it is proven. 
Good science, real science, is 100% transparent, it stands the stress or peer review and is open. We have far too many examples where data was cherry picked or manipulated to support a preconceived conclusion. 

I should have said I believed his election broadened the racial divide and not created one, as obviously there was one before he was elected. 

I agree abolut Tupac’s catalogue, but my main point was that he was capable of introspection without trying to make himself into some tragic badass in the process.  And considering he died at 25, I’m sure he’d have taken his experience and perspective and evolved, and I wish we could hear what he has to say at 40.  Mainstream rap is awful, but I suppose that’s due to the record execs and I doubt many of those assholes are black.  But the music influences many kids who are.

And the dismal failure of Spain when they tried to implement “green” technology?

98% of climate scientists concur with global warming theory. The other 2% got multi-million grants from Exxon and Koch brothers to confuse Bible scientists like you. . 

i think it was a joke…

Because this site looks so legit. Also: “the proposed limits of greenhouse gases would harm the environment”. Really? This is complete BS

Actually Obama did bring Hope AND Change.  Unless you are just trying to give the gratuitus reach around, I suggest analyzing the past 2.8 years without an agenda, or be prepared for people to come and and smack down such overtly racist comments as ” it created a racial divide that will take years to overcome… it highlighted the undeniable infantalism that runs through modern black culture (not Asian or Middle Eastern or Mongolian or Martian, just black) when noted blacks began to act entitled to the presidency over other Americans, and not just in addition to them.”  I suppose you weren’t around when rednecks and conservatives treated 2001-2009 as THEIR time in history.  And I guess it didn’t bother you when the Tea Party came to ‘take back their country’ only 1 month after Obama was sworn in.

So as far as infantilism goes, I’d remove your binkie before your formula shoots our your nose.

Actually Obama did bring Hope AND Change.  Unless you are just trying to give the gratuitus reach around, I suggest analyzing the past 2.8 years without an agenda, or be prepared for people to come and and smack down such overtly racist comments as ” it created a racial divide that will take years to overcome… it highlighted the undeniable infantalism that runs through modern black culture (not Asian or Middle Eastern or Mongolian or Martian, just black) when noted blacks began to act entitled to the presidency over other Americans, and not just in addition to them.”  I suppose you weren’t around when rednecks and conservatives treated 2001-2009 as THEIR time in history.  And I guess it didn’t bother you when the Tea Party came to ‘take back their country’ only 1 month after Obama was sworn in.

So as far as infantilism goes, I’d remove your binkie before your formula shoots our your nose.

Except that those didn’t happen with massive population centers and all, but otherwise, dead on, since the Little Ice Age is completely analogous to an 18 inch rise in sea level.

Still, go tell the people living here:http://thewe.cc/weplanet/news/sea_engulfing_alaskan_village.htm and wonder how all those Alaskan villages must be workign overtime to fake those storms

So what you are saying is “Show me the birth certificates of all thos ‘scientists’”?  Gotcha!

So you evidence is legit and anything else is bogus?  Got it!!

Oooh sounds like someone is still reeling from the pain of being busted.  I know not one single Liberal who instantly calls anyone a racist.  But I know tons of conservative racists who walk around all day long and shirk their employment duties to parasticially drain money from their employers while lamenting being called racists everytime they say the ‘n’ word.  The nerve!

Hey Mister_Indifferent1  you should change your name to ‘Mister irrelevant One’   because you are a non fucking factor… what in the hell was that ..good grief..

“whose facts”……the perfect conservative sentiment, because facts are debatable things. 

By the way, sunspots are in a quiescent state and last year was still one of the hottest 10 in measured history.  http://www.eptrail.com/ci_18710497

I know not one single Liberal who instantly calls anyone a racist.

You must be new to Mediaite then, because that’s ALL they do when any criticism of Obama is brought up.  You alos must have missed the JournOlist scandal when the media was caught admitting their plan was to call any criticism of Barry racist.  You see what you want to see and nothing else.

ps, it appears it might be YOU with a racial problem.  Just saying.

In 1942 six P-38s and two B-17s aborted a mission to England due weather they made an emergency landing on Greenland ice cap.In 1992 one of the P-38s was located mostly intact. It was entombed beneath 268 feet of Greenland ice.The P-38 Glacier Girl’s  flies to day. Global warming My ass!   

@Guest
BS?
And how do you know???

I can’t find your link to the story on this wingnut site that you want me to read.  I did finally read your Rasmussen poll on the American public and shook my head, wondering if you and Limbaugh are the only people who still believe Rasmussen.  How many times can he be wrong before you stop listening (see confirmation bias)

Post the link again and I’ll read it for you.

I can’t find your link to the story on this wingnut site that you want me to read.  I did finally read your Rasmussen poll on the American public and shook my head, wondering if you and Limbaugh are the only people who still believe Rasmussen.  How many times can he be wrong before you stop listening (see confirmation bias)

Post the link again and I’ll read it for you.

Exactly what I’m talking about, great example–thanks!  You say all that matters is the rights–their source is less important.  So you’re trying to have the rights because you like them, and ignore the source, even though according to the Founders the reason you have them is because a spirit-being Creator gave them to you.  That you would say it is not religious is laughable.  Yes, the author was a deist (which, BTW, is a religious position), but he wrote it to be subscribed to and signed by many devout Christians.  Every man who signed it knew that those were religious words.

The Const. is founded on Christian principles–not only the presbyterian form of representative govt described in the early church, but also the Christian concept of man being evil by nature, and needing to be bound by the “chains of the Constitution.”  Washington said this form of govt was only appropriate for a religious and moral people.  And BTW, your car loan agreement presupposes much of the same religious premises.  It PRESUMES that your word means something (a religious principle), the rule of law means something, and there is a civil authority to enforce the parties’ rights … which come not from a popular vote, but from God.

The Brits are not having economic problems because they aren’t spending borrowed money fast enough!  They are having riots because people bought into having hundreds of thousands of families where no one has ever worked drawing government benefits, and when those welfare payments were touched they decided to riot.  Socialism only works in college classrooms.

Why doesn’t it surprise me to find you’re anti-education too?

http://www.minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/2011/07/96-of-scientists-dont-believe-in-global-warming.html

Are you one of those freaks who teaches their kids we all got here by chance from a random explosion, and evolved by “survival of the fittest” — and then you tell your bigger kids to stop taking toys away from littler kids?

You just proved what you were trying to disprove, you dumb shit. LOL.

@Guest
Sorry the above link conflicts with the BS you have been fed for so long.
Isn’t about time you open your mind?

You have to love that this story has been buttressed by the long-debunked “stranded polar bear” photograph.  Said bears are able to swim up to 65 miles in a single trip (thus this bear is only stranded if the photographer had been using a NASA-grade photo lens).

Not to mention that Mister, in an above post, wishes more kids would consider Cornel West on the same level they do Kanye West. Yet in his first post he gripes about his perceived infantalism running through black culture on the basis of noted blacks acting entitled to the presidency over other Americans. Really? Noted blacks? Like Cornel West? Cornel West was the one who said this about Obama:
“I think my dear brother Barack Obama has a certain fear of free black men . . . It’s understandable. As a young brother who grows up in a white context, brilliant African father, he’s always had to fear being a white man with black skin. All he has known culturally is white. He is just as human as I am, but that is his cultural formation.”
Here’s a link from this site of West arguing with Sharpton over whether President Obama is doing enough for blacks http://www.mediaite.com/tv/wild-shoutfest-between-al-sharpton-and-cornel-west-on-obamas-leadership-on-racial-issues/
I’m not trying to be mean, but it seems to me that Mister is ignorant on a lot of facts, and his arguments broad and counter to the points he is trying to make, especially considering the type of comments he made in that first post.

“birther” is the new “racist” evidently … still can’t make an argument, but name-calling, yep, got that down.

Nice try to mock climatologists by reducing their work on the Hummer example. You seem educated enough to know that it isn´t the main focus of their work.

Didn´t know that you can determine the result of an experiment without seeing the result of it. Very unscientific. Do the experiment and prove me wrong, or I do it and prove myself wrong or you. I heard sometimes experiments bring unexpected results, also.

All the time theories have been formulated and proved or disproved, sometimes many years after the initial publication of them. The main problem here is as far as I can tell is the complexity of the issue and the inability to simulate an experiment with the very same conditions of our planet to the very last detail. You would need to create the very same conditions and test the theory. That´s obviously impossible. There´s no way to do it.

Nevertheless, the question of what impact mankind has on the climate needs to be researched and studied in the light of observable changes and dramatic consequences for populations in certain areas. What scientists can do is to work to understand climate change better and better. I will remind you once more that it isn´t presented as a 100% proven fact, but a very plausible theory with the probability of being correct of 90%.

Consensus isn´t irrelevant in science. It shapes the direction of science. Without a consensus nobody could falsify it which makes it relevant for the advancement of knowledge. It is irrelevant for determining ultimately if something is wrong or correct.

So, I find your understanding of science very flawed and illogical. Just because something isn´t as easy provable as the laws of gravity doesn´t make it unscientific.

It´s completely ridiculous and unscientific to demand a 100% provable or disprovable theory at this moment for man made climate change. Prob will never reach 100%.

It´s about plausibility and things that can be measured and explained with the means of today.

20 years ago I remember hearing about the rise of the sea level due to climate change. And guess what? It did happen.

Interesting, where did I say that?

Wrong!

96% of Scientists DON’T believe in Global Warming
http://www.minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/2011/07/96-of-scientists-dont-believe-in-global-warming.html

This is the type of ignorant hyperbolic discourse that comes from the left.

Some on the right do champion their belief in God over belief in science. This is true.

But the “intelligent design” movement is all about reconciling the two.

For example, science can tell us that the big bang happened, but not how.

Science can tell us when and where life was created, but not how.

Considering science is constantly evolving in what it understands, those that are religious take solace in their belief that God is all knowing and so they rightly feel God’s infinite knowledge and wisdom deserves a place above man’s very finite abilities.

Its not just Christians who believe this either. I dare you to walk into a mosque and openly mock their beliefs like you do Christians, you bigot.

Ever heard of climategate you jackass?

Do yourself a favor and dispose yourself of your ignorance on the East Anglia scandal.

Read Darwin, come back, and try again.

Okay, so it is melting. However, how was it 3000 years ago? How about 5000 years ago? 1 million years ago? Just because it is melting today doesn’t mean it didn’t do the exact same thing many times throughout history.

Not in the least. But intelligent people, conservative or liberal, like facts over myth. Which is more likely? That my wife’s ancestry can be traced back to a more primitive form of human or some guy’s rib? That’s what I thought.

@Guest
If your interested, a good place to start, is the most popular climate site there is.

Watts Up With That?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/

says the only guy in this debate who has never heard of an ice core sample

That doesnt prove that global warming is man made though, which is the argument your side is making.

NASA just recently came out and said an immense amount of heat is escaping the planet, and that the planet hasnt gotten warmer in the last ten years. If this is true then it debunks all the wild claims that have been made in the past few years.

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

Go ahead, tell me why the scientists at NASA are wrong.

Well, it´s proof that a human being put ice in the soda, for sure. Take it from there to a broader scale if you can.

It’s like they don’t know that poleys can swim, and that they fish.

Anthropogenic Global Warming is a hoax. Global warming…has stopped. For now. Climate change is eternal. Carbon taxes are a scam.

“The problem, the essay finds, is that those stories necessitate reporting that scientists do, in an overwhelming majority, believe in man-made climate change and that makes the journalist appear to be biased against conservatives.”

Translation: facts have a liberal bias.

Sadly, Huntsman’s scientific view probably will mean that he’s doomed in the party of faith-based voters.

“Yes, science progresses through doubts and debating results within the scientific community”

Then why is the left so decidedly against having a debate about “global warming”?

When was the last time Al Gore or Michael Mann debated anyone?

Science is not about consensus. its about being right and being able to prove it, even if you are the only one coming to your conclusion.

The fact is that climate scientists were caught conspiring to create fraudulent data, (the hockey stick graph is a fake) pressuring peer reviewed studies to not allow dissenting opinion, and hid data that didn’t fall in line with their agenda.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html

How do you explain all this, and how can you say that their conclusions are truly “scientific?”

Conservatives don’t see science as enemy. They just don’t go along with progressives’ scare tactics and fudging of computer model data done for one reason only: to re-destribute wealth. I am a physician and also old enough to remember ‘global cooling’ alarmists in the ’70′s. Cap and trade wouln’t have affected the climate one bit but it would have cost Amercan economy hugely. Taxing energy more in the name of climate bs results in more jobless poor people. Obama’s draconian regulatory assault is the main reason businesses are waiting for him to leave office before investing. Obamacare is the second biggest reason,throwing billions into bottomless pit of ‘green jovs’ is the third. I could go on and on. I am a Catholic and a medical doctor: I believe in evolution guided and created by God,rather than random big bang. Climate has changed for godzillions of years and it may currently be marginally influenced by man. I just don’t see any reason that should enrich Al Gore and busybodies all over the world

And the there’s the fact that their doom predicting models don’t work. The hypothesis fails when tested.

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

Science, kids! It’s not a popularity contest.

“It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man.”
H. L. Mencken

…the claim of dangerous warming is based upon laboratory work and theoretical physics regarding the ability of molecules of carbon dioxide to absorb heat and re-transmit it. Using these principles, and ignoring other factors, it can be shown that an increase in carbon dioxide beyond pre-industrial levels will cause a very small increase in temperature and that the warming will become less as the concentration of carbon dioxide increases. However, these principles were developed in laboratory environments that don’t match the complexity of real world climate, and the “other factors” that are ignored are actually an integral part of the climate system. With few exceptions, the actions and interactions of these factors are poorly understood. Moreover, empirical tests of the amount of warming that will be caused by a doubling of human emissions suggest a non-alarming figure of only about 1 deg. COne major stumbling block for the hypothesis that carbon dioxide has caused significant warming is that since continuous and direct measurements of carbon dioxide began in 1958 global temperatures have both risen and fallen while at all times the concentration of carbon dioxide continued to rise.

“TMP”

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/fallacies.html

How do you discuss science, with a “Scientist,” who is really a scientific “useful idiot?”

Purveyor

Yes, and it helps if you count phrenologists, alchemists and astrologers as scientists.

Do you seriously think Al Gore is a scientist?

Holy Moly, you aren`t aware that the controversy about it was included in the IPCC`s Fourth Assessment Report.

“Six committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

Okay?

Except a new NASA study found that the atmosphere actually vents excess CO2.  Those are rocket scientists, by the way.

Scientific matters are certainly not settled by consensus. Einstein pointed out that hundreds of people agreeing with him were of no relevance, because it would take just one person to prove him wrong.
I’d like to see your proof that 98% of climate scientists concur.
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/consensuswhatconsensusamongclimatescientiststhedebateisnotover.html“TMP”http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/fallacies.html

I read “Air Classics” and was born and raised in Oshkosh Wisconsin.  Also, I watched the film about “Glacier Girl.”  Der gabelschwantz tueful.  Need I say more?

You make a unique and good point.

Purveyor

what a surprise. “The intergovernmental panel on climate change” found nothing wrong.

I can’t think of any reason why they would want climategate to go away do you?

Well Im convinced- Nothing to see here people!

You really do have a lot of faith in intergovernmental climate panels dont you?

One would say, your faith is so strong, its like ~gasp~ a religion…!

AGW theory is crumbling and has been for years.  Remember how worried everyone was about the polar bears drowning from lack of ice?  That was also a hoax.  It turned out there were 4 bears swimming and the photographers lost track of them.  Some one else extrapolated they had drowned from lack of ice and the media ran wild with the story and turned it into an AGW ice melting disaster.

He went Harvard and Columbia you dipshit.  New Birtherism alive and well in Amerika.

Did I say the IPCC found nothing wrong?

Oh geee, reading and comprehension skills aren´t really your strong suit, are they.

Barney, good points and really no one can discount the possibility that a superior force created our universe.  My problem is I don’t know how that relates to Rick Perry, W and all these religious people thinking “prayer” is going to change anything.  We all know it’s a waste of time.

Actually, he was a D student.

Bullshit, I could rip rednecks (like I did Perry) all day and you’d just smile.  It’s the problem with you partisan cocksuckers, you’re always demanding accountability from the other guy.

Don’t worry mate they are settled and complete non issues in most places.

I’m in Britain for example and evolution, global warming, abortion are all more or less settled issues. Both the left and the right are in agreement. They are non issues to such an extent that they did not factor at all in last General Election. Same with religion really as well- the leader of the opposition is openly atheist and its not held against him in the slightest.

A British politician would be completely unelectable if they came out raising doubts about evolution for example.

England is historically a centre right country yet doesn’t have any of the extreme right wing social positions that are prevalent in America.

I really don’t think those on the right in America realise just how extreme they are by most people’s standards.

Rofl you can´t be serious. It´s 2011, ya know, just as a tiny bit of useful information. Can you tell me where it was found? How thick was the ice there in the last 100 years? How thick is it today?

Best “scientific” argument against climate change ever. 

You know what’s odd.  The pro science guy, Obama cancels our exploration rocket vehicles, the Constellation program, but the supposedly religious, anti-science guy, W, was promoting it.  Wasn’t it Clinton, the pro science guy who cancelled our particle physics accelerator, the Superconducting Supercollider?  These Democrat pro science guys are more worried about paying off their little interest groups than real science. Just another very big reason why I am a Republican.

That’s not “all they do when any criticism of Obama is brought up.” I have yet to read the comments on an article on Mediaite that are overwhelmingly filled with accusations of racism. One or two comments at the most is not the same as saying that’s “all they do.”

On the contrary, it’s conservative commenters who are quick to light fires under anything they deem as “liberal.” No article, no matter how non-political, go by without one of your herd mooing in lament over the “liberal socialist leftist” or the president. It is literally ALL CONSERVATIVES DO HERE, and you’re all just doing it to get back at us for having the “audacity” to criticize Bush.
So, unless you actually have a real criticism to present to us, why don’t you do us all a favor and stop bellyaching over literally nothing? Whiner.

How about letting those “Well to do” who you suggest should pay more, opt out of SS and pay nothing?  After all they don’t need it so why make them pay it.

On the other hand why aren’t you pushing for politicians in DC to start paying SS and maybe they would pay more attention to those who are robbing the SS Trust fund?
Your post is nothing more than Liberal rhetoric and talking points.”TMP”

Victor, your problem comes from assuming you are ever correct in the first place. You are definitely genius in one aspect – you are the idiot savant of being a failure.

Here’s some of Victor’s wisdom:

“Lisa,
your husband should concern you. He and I go back and forth about Glenn Beck, who you must know Todd defends.
He has, twice now, written, “The game changes on Tuesday.”
I
don’t know what hisplan is, but if there is anything illegal that goes
down, Todd will be tied in as a conspirator. Others on Glenn Beck dot
com have threatened me, so you might want to make sure that Todd is not
conspiring to have me killed or attacked. I’ll make darn sure that the
authorities are aware that Todd is involved.

Victor Tiffany”

Victor,

Does this sound familiar?

Todd’s response  –

“Now
you are sending my wife messages on Facebook? You have no idea what you
are talking about with this supposed conspiracy. Conspiracy takes more
than one person. When the game changes it will be one person, not
multiple. Therefore there is legally no conspiracy. Do you not
understand that  I am LAW ENFORCEMENT, therefore, why would I be
involved in anything that is illegal that crosses state lines? You sir
are an idiot. Oh, and Victor, who is the cyber stalking biotch now?”

Proof you ask, well then proof you shall have:

And here is the link:

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/05/11/meghan-mccain-gets-naked-glenn-vomits/#comment-204289201

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I would not take Victor’s word on science since the comment about an overwhelming majority of scientists believe in man-made climate change has been proven false in the past year. The truth is that this flawed theory has been debunked and is now on the wane.

Deny that all you want Victor, it only makes you look like a bigger fool, failure and fraud.

“Did I say the IPCC found nothing wrong?”

Yes you did actually:

“Six committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.”

i.e. nothing wrong.

So hows that read comprehension crack looking now? Not too good.

#freecommonsensepwned

Rodolfo has to work his Tea Party hate and talking points into every Topic.

“TMP”

Barney, they were not NASA scientists, they were from University of Alabama.  Go read the actual text of the story.

Meanwhile, ACTUAL government scientists said it didn’t matter  http://www.livescience.com/15293-climate-change-cloud-cover.html

I’ll note that Dr. Spencer’s research study does not conclude that climate change is wrong, but that it is not occurring as quickly as others say it is and he believes that lends doubt to their computer modeling.

In the future, read a little bit more than just the headline

You want the years of the ice ages before you will believe they happened?

Now I know how Al Gore can convince you there is Man-Made Global Warming.

LOL

Have you ever heard of google?

Oh wow, that´s utterrly bs.” A non alarming 1 deg. C” Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Do you see liberal propaganda and bias everywhere you look? Only Fox tells you the truth right?

Teaching evolution in science classes is not liberal propaganda, at all, in any way.

Seriously it is as if you were taken out of school and spent your formative years reading The Bible, watching Fox News, and being feed conspiracy theories by Glenn Beck.

Exactly.  The weakness in AGW and the main reason I never bought into it was they were looking at the greenhouse effect in a vacuum without considering clouds, pollution, volcanic emissions, etc.  Then I became beyond sceptical when it became a money making scheme.

Exactly.  The weakness in AGW and the main reason I never bought into it was they were looking at the greenhouse effect in a vacuum without considering clouds, pollution, volcanic emissions, etc.  Then I became beyond sceptical when it became a money making scheme.

I agree, you’re right!

Not now.  He lost his shirt in the “Carbon Credit” scam that he was running. That’s why he’s so P.O. when he gives speeches lately.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html“TMP”

you say that, yet here you are day after day.

Does he believe in the bible or does he believe in Science?  Good question.  Even if he’s a Muslim, does he believe in the Bible or does he believe in Science.

If he’s a Marxist then he doesn’t believe in God and those who do are “Suckers”.

Something to think about.  Good post “unmutual.”

“TMP”

lol, wow, you may wanna proof read.. fail!

They wouldn’t dare!

“TMP”

Ya, it was all those Cars and Trucks that were driving all over the place 20,000 years ago.  Wait a minute, didn’t they run on foot power through the floorboards.

YABADABADOOOOOOO.

“TMP”

I have no problem with someone living in their own little world, in which their version of science is the polar (lul) opposite of whatever they think “libbrulz iz doin’.” My problem begins when these people, who have chosen to ignore the damning proof that burns their conservative-slanted views to the ground, rebel against whatever determinable and measurable science offends them just because they want their craziness to be considered an “alternative viewpoint.” If all roads in your worldview lead to the conclusion that “God Diddit,” and you’re too stupid to even begin to understand the other “side” of the equation, that doesn’t lend much credence to your views.

Look, I understand that some people or businesses exploit the hell out of the “green” movement. It’s a catchy term. That doesn’t discredit the fact that global warming is a real occurrence, it doesn’t mean that 97% of Climatologists are wrong, or that most of it is probably manmade. Some toy companies sell plastic dinosaur skeleton sets, does that make evolution invalid? You’d probably say yes.

The only real reason you’re so adamant to prove that global warming is a hoax is because your GOP representatives were told by their buddies in the oil and gas industries to convince you that the very fuels that create so much CO2 are perfectly fine.

Well, that’s not the only reason. Bet it feels pretty good to stick it to “them thar nerdy libbrulz,” right? Destroying the ozone in the name of petty partisan squabbling…

I love the science vs religion debate.. it’s funny though anytime anyone ever says show some proof, you only get one side able to show any..

I have a scientist friend who works out of Woods Hole who has told me that very same thing. They report what the Government wants to hear to keep the funds flowing. They have been given a supposition and they try to match the DATA to justify it.  In reality, the seas are getting colder and they are not rising.

“TMP”

yeah conspiracy theorist watts, who has been proven wrong again and again is certainly a great point to start a research about global warming ;-)

Thom is a victim of Liberal ignorance and fake science.  Great post Michelle.

“TMP”

Thom is a victim of Liberal ignorance and fake science.  Great post Michelle.

“TMP”

hahaha, dude, try reading some time. None of the six committees is the IPCC and it is not about the hockey graph even.

Clearly I way overestimated your intellectual skills.

Sorry for that. Wont happen again.

Given your attitude toward science, I’m hoping your patients are getting great results with your poultice cures and stapled ears.  Keep up the forward thinking and great work, doc!

The fact is, there have been climate scientists from the very beginning who have discounted and disagreed with the man-made global warming theory. This is a fact. And more and more of them are becoming known. Including NASA scientists.

 It cannot be disputed. Period.

Yes, they are in the minority. But so what.

It’s a theory that cannot be proven at this point. It doesn’t matter how many scientists believe in it, or don’t. This is science, not religion. It’s not about believing.

Chaos theory/butterfly effect alone, which can be reproduced in the lab setting in many different ways should throw doubt on any claim about being able to predict the future climate.

You are actually posting propaganda from NASA who has admitted that their DATA was faulty. NASA has had decades of problems collecting their data to fit the expected results that the Government was looking for. they admitted this more than once.

Here’s one of their latest releases.

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

“TMP”

Or maybe if they could look at the science agreed upon by the vast, overwhelming majority of climate scientists.  But, given that the profit margins of a number of multi-national conglomerates depend upon no one acting upon the climate scientists findings, suddenly, after only a few million in PR spin and GOP contributions, suddenly those Climate scientists are all somehow working together and in cahoots to somehow “re-distribute wealth.”      How to turn peer reviewed science and massive worldwide consensus into a commie plot in 3 easy steps.  

Hey – Stop confusing Tony with your damned elitist facts and thinking.  His diet tab (and Rush) told him that Global Warming is a lefty plot, so it must be!

If someone told you Al Gore just loves Oxygen, would you stop breathing just to spite that damn Lib?

How soon we forget about the Acid Rain fiasco.

10 years of hysteria. Story after story. Scientist after scientist raising the alarm bells.

A NAPAP study by the best scientists the Feds had concluded there was nothing there. The environmental alarmists whined and whined. The EPA kept acting like the report didn’t exist, and kept instituting rules to fix something that wasn’t happening. The lazy news media stopped reporting on it, almost overnight. Shazam. It was gone.

These are facts.

And guess what. Just recently, NASA scientists published their own studies about the whole idea of man-made global warming and it wasn’t supportive of it.

This is why having “faith” in what even a majority of scientists in a certain field are espousing is a big mistake.

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

@Guest
I give up.
Your destined to remain a fool for the rest of your life.

I don´t take people seriously who write stuff like “”United Nations computer models”. That´s really too stupid.

Why would that be a problem?  Only the batsh*t end of the Christian spectrum are creationists.  The mainstream protestant churches and the Catholic Church (since Pope Leo) have all bought into Evolution.

so you pick and choose your science tim?   i thought so

That sounds like a hateful Liberal atheists comment.  

You have a nice hateful Liberal atheists day now, ya hear.

“TMP”

gravity? really dark matter is overtaking that is the theory of the universe

You sir, are a “conservatist.”  Defined as: one who discriminates against or disparages Conservatives.  Be it known that you have offended me, insulted me, violated my civil rights, and, generally, made me feel bad!

You suggest that I use silly colloquialisms to refer to Liberals, also, that I am scientifically weak, which insinuates that I am not as smart as you.  Therefore, I intend to file a lawsuit against you, which would have about as much credibility as the one’s you “libbrulz” file, except, of course, you have the Media and ACLU to help perpetuate your nonsense!  LOL

Purveyor

No, why? Don’t all air breathing creatures love oxygen? That would give me and Algore something in common that I wouldn’t think he is an idiot for thinking.  However, I would still think he is a damn Lib.

Yes, it is real. It has happened over and over since the planet formed. Nothing new this time other than the hysterics.

If you ask any of those scientists if it is a proven fact or just a theory, the majority of the scientists will say it is just a theory  (even those who believe in Man made Global Warming) the ones who say it’s an undeniable fact are the ones who you need to run away from really quick.

Sorry but the people in this country have had enough of this leftist agenda to tax them even more when those who promote this “theory” are just in it for the money, Al Gore for one.

You believe what you want Matt, I require indisputable scientific proof that driving my car down the road is going to kill humanity.  If Al starts walking the walk, then I will take notice. He bet on Cap and Trade and he lost hundreds of millions of dollars and many are not listening anymore.

“TMP”

My father was a member of the crew that rescued those downed airmen.

“TMP”

Leave it to a conservative to mock civil rights cases and global warming in the same breath, and yet STILL manage to say absolutely nothing of value in response to the post he’s replying to.

“the majority of the scientists will say it is just a theory”
You know what else is still considered a theory? Gravity. Scientific theories are not the same as plain old theories.

Next!

“Sorry but the people in this country have had enough of this leftist agenda”
Stop right there.

Just because you refuse to accept the data taken, the scientific studies released, and everything else that goes against what they told you to think on Fox News does NOT make this part of a conspiracy to tax your freedom eagles. Every political party pushes agendas. That doesn’t make those things wrong or right.

Just because you’re too stupid to understand climatology doesn’t mean it’s part of an eeeevul libbrul conspiracy to get you, personally.

“You believe what you want Matt,”
It stops being a “belief” when what you “believe” is backed up by objective, measurable facts. Accepting science is not the same as believing in Big Bubba Jesus.

Yes, because you unquestioningly rely on your religious indoctrination and ancient picture book to tell you what to believe. You also ascribe characteristics to a being (God), you’ve never met and have no idea what he can or cannot do. You blindly believe in something simply because it was told to you, possibly from childhood, so there’s nothing anyone can say to dissuade you. For me, if science proves there is an all-knowing God with infinite knowledge, then I will accept it as truth. But since science and superstition are incompatible, I’ll stick with the process that strives for knowledge, accepts and learns from its mistakes and won’t stop until the truth is discovered…unlike religion.

BTW: I don’t know what walking into a mosque has to do with any of this, but since you turned a little pissy and self-righteous at the end, I will indulge your childishness: I don’t believe in God or Allah or any of the thousands upon thousands of other deistic conceptions that have been invented by man over the millenia.

Also, if you’d like to explain why I’m a bigot, I’d be very interested.

They rely on Computer models but ridicule Scientists with a computer background as unscientific when they don’t agree with their MMGW rants.

“TMP”

There was/is a Documentary on the entire process.  (also, those other planes should still be out there)  Anyway, I highly suggest you find the video.  I havn’t seen it on HISTORY or TLC, etc. in a while, but is great and a good place to start.

Also, there is a documentary about a B-29 called the Kee Bird, which was a tragic failure, but worth watching.

I give DEFENDER-90 credit, I didn’t think of it, a clever piece of evidence!

Sorry pal but I’m not intimidated by leftists. As far as your Gravity rant, scientists are now discovering that Gravity is just a theory when applied to sub particles and also in relation the Black Holes.

I refuse to accept the data that has been proven to be flawed (tree rings) NASA data that has been proven to be false, fake ice sheet data ect, ect. All that data was used in formulating this hoax. I posted sites of research from NASA (corrections) and down right lies used to formulate this nonsense.

I’m quite knowledgeable in climatology, I have friends who are scientists who collect data for the Government.

I’m well educated and can think for myself. I’ve read hundreds of reports and have seen many argument pro and con.

Now you end your rant with a religious slur. That shows what kind of person you are, just another hateful liberal. Is it a wonder that people don’t believe idiots like you?

You have a nice Liberal atheist day now, ya hear. I’m not impressed with this rant either.

“TMP”

“How Do You Discuss Science When A Party’s Candidate Calls Scientists The Enemy?”
——————————————————————————————————————————-

Ditto on that!

Yet another Black Caucus member just accused the Tea Party of being the “Enemy” – and drew applause from her obviously RACIST supporters.

No Compromise! 
Defeat the race-baiting Democrats, and dismantle THEIR Welfare State!

Yeah, TeaBagger Cult member….let’s see the link to that study.

You’re obviously referring to the ‘study’ that included the alien invasion too.

You TeaBagger Cult members are THE STUPIDEST, MOST GULLIBLE people this nation has EVER PRODUCED!!!

It’s such a good thing that all you racists rats are raising you miserable heads and showing yourselves as such!

It’s quite funny to see all you TeaBagger Cult members come out of the closet.

Truth be told, Norbit.. in your case it’s always been obvious but your Neanderthal knee jerk thoughts are always amusing!

You mean the leftist, fall in line, march in lockstep, there’s no need to question MMGW, Lemmings, right?

“TMP”

I already posted it on this site plus many other sources.  Do your own research you vulgar little man.

“TMP”

It looks like I’m getting a wart on my left pinky toe, and I’m almost certain that it’s because of GloBULL Warming.

Where can I send in my request to the obozo regime for a multi-million dollar grant so I can study this latest threat to our very existence on Earth from man-made GloBULL Warming?

I was under the impression that this debate had become academic, as the fraud perpetrated by the Scientists at The University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Center, had all been discredited in 2009?  

As a kid in 1967, I was taught to trust science, as science would solve the World’s problems.  Then the “Climate Gate fraud” happens, and apparently, we can’t even trust science and the scientists as they now have political agendas?

Ergo, how can we trust the urgent assertions of a Socialist “useful idiot,” on “Mediaite?”

Until more and better evidence arrives, “Global Warming” will remain a theory?

Purveyor 

You are so stupid.

Several well known scientists think the study is valid. And several are disputing it.

That’s the whole point, isn’t it?

Man Made global warming is a theory that not all scientists accept as a fact. In fact, there are practically no scientists who accept it as a fact. Which is why it is still a theory.

Only dolts like you accept it as a fact. You have great faith.

“Sorry pal but I’m not intimidated by leftists.”
Wasn’t trying to intimidate you, little guy. ‘Summatter? Don’t be scared.

“As far as your Gravity rant”
My point remains valid. I would love to see a right winger adopt his own version of reality in which gravity doesn’t exist and he thinks you can fall up, rather than down.

“I refuse to accept the data, All that data was used in formulating this hoax.”
It’s one thing to be skeptical. You should be skeptical when it comes to data. Being skeptical is not the same as outright denying every piece of evidence you’re presented with, just because you’re afraid of admitting that the so-called “libbrulz” might be right!

Fox News has scared you into obedience. I’m not afraid to criticize democrats or liberals, or any political viewpoint, when the opportunity presents itself. You frantically label everything scientific as “liberal propaganda” to appease your GOP representatives. “Have I been a good boy, Murdoch? Have I?”

“I’m quite knowledgeable in climatology, I have friends who are scientists who collect data for the Government.”
I’m very learned in paleontology. Doesn’t mean my friends are paleontologists, too. I have a friend who’s a mechanic, but I couldn’t put a car together.

The claim that you “know people who do” does not make you an authority in the subject.

“I’m well educated and can think for myself. I’ve read hundreds of reports and have seen many argument pro and con.”
And you ignored all of it, regardless of how compelling the evidence was, to perpetuate your delusion that it’s all a “libbrul hoax.” Good work!

“Now you end your rant with a religious slur.”
Wasn’t aware “Jesus” was a slur.

“Is it a wonder that people don’t believe idiots like you?”
I was wondering the exact same thing, except I’m not the person I’m directing that thought at.

“You have a nice Liberal atheist day now, ya hear.”
YALL CUM BAK NAH, Y’HEAH? WHOOO-WHEE! MAKIN’ BACON.

I am not a libberul soshulist muzlums. I simply accept reality, i.e. the one that can be measured, not the obstinate, hopelessly partisan denial that is pre-packaged and shipped off by Conservative think tanks.

“I’m not impressed with this rant either.”
…he said with his arms crossed and his face scowled like a petulant two-year-old.

“Sorry pal but I’m not intimidated by leftists.”
Wasn’t trying to intimidate you, little guy. ‘Summatter? Don’t be scared.

“As far as your Gravity rant”
My point remains valid. I would love to see a right winger adopt his own version of reality in which gravity doesn’t exist and he thinks you can fall up, rather than down.

“I refuse to accept the data, All that data was used in formulating this hoax.”
It’s one thing to be skeptical. You should be skeptical when it comes to data. Being skeptical is not the same as outright denying every piece of evidence you’re presented with, just because you’re afraid of admitting that the so-called “libbrulz” might be right!

Fox News has scared you into obedience. I’m not afraid to criticize democrats or liberals, or any political viewpoint, when the opportunity presents itself. You frantically label everything scientific as “liberal propaganda” to appease your GOP representatives. “Have I been a good boy, Murdoch? Have I?”

“I’m quite knowledgeable in climatology, I have friends who are scientists who collect data for the Government.”
I’m very learned in paleontology. Doesn’t mean my friends are paleontologists, too. I have a friend who’s a mechanic, but I couldn’t put a car together.

The claim that you “know people who do” does not make you an authority in the subject.

“I’m well educated and can think for myself. I’ve read hundreds of reports and have seen many argument pro and con.”
And you ignored all of it, regardless of how compelling the evidence was, to perpetuate your delusion that it’s all a “libbrul hoax.” Good work!

“Now you end your rant with a religious slur.”
Wasn’t aware “Jesus” was a slur.

“Is it a wonder that people don’t believe idiots like you?”
I was wondering the exact same thing, except I’m not the person I’m directing that thought at.

“You have a nice Liberal atheist day now, ya hear.”
YALL CUM BAK NAH, Y’HEAH? WHOOO-WHEE! MAKIN’ BACON.

I am not a libberul soshulist muzlums. I simply accept reality, i.e. the one that can be measured, not the obstinate, hopelessly partisan denial that is pre-packaged and shipped off by Conservative think tanks.

“I’m not impressed with this rant either.”
…he said with his arms crossed and his face scowled like a petulant two-year-old.

Destroy the government because people made fun of Bush. Good plan. You’re a man of sound mind and judgement.
Who’s the walrus in your avatar?

As I have concluded you are a dour and humorless curmudgeon, I will deny I ever sent you the letter pertaining to “Glacier Girl” the aircraft.

The wart on your toe is most likely a tumor. Your brain is tired of being neglected and has formed a pact with your other systems to end your miserable existence in the backwoods of Allabammy.

Just because you don’t know shit about science doesn’t mean it’s part of a “libberul konspirassy.”

Steyr “Tactical Machine Pistol”?  (TMP)

You mentioned that there is “Liberal propaganda”, which would incline us to believe that you are not in support of the education system. 

Im not religious, I just believe in the right for people to worship freely without being mocked for it. I was trying to explain it to you from their point of view.
 
You certainly have the freedom NOT to worship as well. Just stop trying to condemn others for beliefs you feel are inferior to yours.
 
That is what I consider bigotry, and that is why you are a religious bigot. Get over yourself.
 
Your god, the god of science and man, has a history riddled with flaws, inaccuracies and disproven truths. So who are you to judge someone’s else’s religious beliefs?

Who are you trying convince you are credible?  Also, you go to great length (pun intended) to make your assertion?  LOL

“Thou dost protest to much, me thinks”

Oh yes, one more thing, are you a “paleo-ichnologist” too?  LOL

Purveyor

As much as Tony’s answer was inappropriate, he is right. Holes in the ozone layer are caused by CFCs and they destroy the ozone. However, the industries that create these CFCs (which are significantly lower than they used to be) to emit large emissions of pollution, which contribute to climate change, which puts our planet at environmental risk.

Fox news! I was wondering when you were going to work that into your ignorant rant Matt. Ones opinion is usually ones reality.

“Wasn’t aware “Jesus” was a slur”

Your slur:

“Accepting science is not the same as believing in Big Bubba Jesus.”

Hey, stay stupid, I don’t care.

I’m not impressed nor am I intimidated by small minded people. There’s not an original thought in your whole rant. Admit it little man, you’re scared to death of free thinking people.

You have a nice Liberal atheist day now, ya hear.

LMAO

“TMP”

Nawww, it was dinosaur farts…. or maybe wooly mammoths and Bolivian mammoths farts, they came after the dinos.

Freecommonsense? It looks like you get what you pay for.
 
This bullshit artist wants to distract from the relevance that climategate has in exposing the fraudulent way that climate scientists conducted their scientific discovery.
 
Notice he cant defend the fraudulent hockey stick graph, the corruption of peer reviewed studies, or the hiding of data, so hes going to hide behind committees saying everything is ok, without addressing anything specifically.
 
Freecommonsense and alarmists like him are pathetic, clinging desperately to a lie that has already unraveled.
 
Pack it up bozo the scam is over. Go peddle your carbon credit BS to some other sucker because no one is buying here.

Any real scientist knows that there is no such thing as “settled science”

Ask Galileo what he thinks about such a notion.

You’ll see a lot more of us in Congress next year and fewer of you leftists in the White House.

“TMP”

Britain surely has a long storied history of being dominated by a corrupt ruling class, and I suppose now is no different is it?

I dont understand how you can be proud of being swindled and kept ignorant, but I guess its in your blood to be ok with it.

Jon, perhaps you are too young to remember but a scant 35 years ago, all the scientists world wide were convinced the earth was rapidly approaching another ice age. Then, as with now, the science was “settled” as a majority of the scientists then were convinced of the accuracy of the data.  An extremely short 25 years later those same scientists became convinced of global warming and the disastrous consequences.  You may find in your heart some understanding of why those of us who were buying parkas in 1975 are hesitant to buy sunscreen in such a vanishingly short time.

Perry could suggest that his ”read my book”/”ignore my book” mixed message is really an example of quantum superposition and that his brain is experiencing quantum entanglement … 

Oh yeah, I forgot.  Rick doesn’t seek scientific explanations for observed phenomena — that’s what the Bible is for.

Oh sorry – I forgot the link: http://www.denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

Oh sorry – I forgot the link: http://www.denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

May I point out that “scientists” are a rather larger and more credible population than “the Tea Party?”

Teepers are the noisy adherents of a particular variety of political change, while scientists are trained and working professionals much like engineers, doctors, and lawyers. Calling one’s political opponents “the enemy” is definitely over the top, but it’s not comparable to the right’s war on science.

Actually, now that I’m finishing this post, I realize that telling you this is a waste of time, because you are (at least as evidenced by your posts) generally immune to facts. I’ll post it nonetheless for the sane people who visit this site.

Hey buddy, I got some carbon credits to sell you. 

Just send $20,000 to the paypal account: suckerborn@everyminute.com

Not buying them is tantamount to you personally drowning a polar bear.

Hey buddy, I got some carbon credits to sell you. 

Just send $20,000 to the paypal account: suckerborn@everyminute.com

Not buying them is tantamount to you personally drowning a polar bear.

If you actually knew anything about scientific method, you’d know that if 98% of climate scientists did believe in global warming, it wouldn’t matter.

But you of course don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

Interesting. However, nothing in your post is remotely true, so that suggests you might have diverged from reality just a tad.

The East Anglia story was deliberately misinterpreted by the wingnut press. There was no fraud and no change in the scientific community’s overall assessment of the validity of the science carried on at the Center or anywhere else.

And since 1967, science has indeed solved a lot of the world’s problems. Medical and electronic advancements — and that little thing called the Internet — have vastly improved people’s lives. Now I was alive in 1967, and I don’t remember anyone saying that science would solve *all* the world’s problems. If someone told you that, shame on them. I’d say science has kept up its end of the bargain.

But you’re right about climate change being “just” a theory. Like the theory of gravitation or the theory of the conservation of matter and energy. Because that’s how science works.

Every day theories must withstand the investigations of scientists, and if they don’t, they change the theory. Which doesn’t make gravity stop working because some physicist discovers a new wrinkle that adds to our knowledge.

So your mistrust is misplaced and ill-informed.

*LOL* That was the point :-)

According to the increasingly inaccurately named “FreeCommonSense”, ice melting means global warming is occurring. Run for the hills, people!!!

people believe what they want to.  It doesnt matter how many scientists agree.  Funny thing is ask any climate change denier what they believe if they are fighting an infection or cancer – scientific majority wins every time.  They want to get better.  Logic kicks in when you feel you really have an interest in a problem. 

Difficulty is climate deniers dont believe the world in 20 or 50 year is THEIR problem so they believe whatever they want – it doesnt matter to them.  Self interest is the cornerstone of the conservative way of thinking.  

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Because of the way the scientific method works, *every* “fact” is actually a theory. “Theory” is not synonymous with “wild-eyed guess.”

As a practical matter, sensible people (those who are not blinded by moronic political agendas) treat theories that have been adequately demonstrated by investigation as defacto facts because it’s practical to do so. That’s why people are calling for action on climate change now, because our ability to affect it declines every second that we do nothing.

And by the way, the vast majority of qualified scientists accepts the “theory” of manmade climate change as valid.

Only nutters think otherwise.

Redleaf —- Your comment is proof that Barnum was right.

Absolutely bottom level stupidity and ignorance!

Well you shouldn’t assume facts not in evidence.  It makes you look stupid.

Well you shouldn’t assume facts not in evidence.  It makes you look stupid.

You can’t because they refuse to debate anyone who has an opposing POV.

change your nick to redneck. you are spewing Fox fear factory vomit

Thats why you idiots don’t believe in global warming you fear it will cost too much, I’m not sayn’ we gotta fix it now but it’s not a freakin hoax

Listening to you go on and on about a subject that you’ve undoubtedly demonstrated that you CLEARLY know nothing about is amusing. I can do this all day, you know.

Trying to warp the scientific method (poorly, might I add) because you’re basically embarrassed that you prescribe to an earth-worshipping belief system doesn’t magically change the scientific method. You’re still trying to graft your religion on to science. The only solace I can give you is that you’re not alone, there are many people like you who delude themselves every day.

Your stupid little experiment (and it is stupid, former ambulance chasers have already thought of it and actually think it’ll work) would be worthless because — proving even further that you know nothing of science — it doesn’t prove any causal link whatsoever. Your experiment has no control and thousands of dynamic variables; removing one of those variables proves nothing about its effect. It’s as absurdly stupid as suddenly banning the trade of a public stock on the NYSE, observing a fall or rise in the Dow Jones and saying it’s because of the stock you just froze.

Yes, consensus is completely and utterly irrelevant in science, even if
it shatters the little delusional world you’ve created for yourself.
Along with that, credentials are completely and utterly irrelevant.
Science speaks for itself.

Oh, and I loved this little gem:

“It’s completely ridiculous and
unscientific to demand a 100% provable or disprovable theory at this
moment for man made climate change.”

THAT’S THE DEFINITION OF A THEORY! Clearly you’ve never even taken a science class in your life, or at least passed one. It’s completely EXPECTED and completely SCIENTIFIC to expect a theory to have a disprovable hypothesis. That’s the entire basis of the scientific method! Don’t quit your day job, pal, whatever the hell it is. *LOL*

Editor’s note: A few paragraphs up, the writer of this post
mentioned America’s growing obesity problem. As we all know, Michelle
Obama has tried to fight childhood obesity. Mr. Bershad’s comment was,
in no way, meant to be an endorsement of she or her husband. We
apologize to anyone who may have viewed that comment as biased against
Republicans. We promise to never mention obesity again.HAHA, is this for real?  If you think you have been masking your liberal bias, you’ve failed miserably.

Human-induced global warming is real, according to a recent U.S. survey based on the opinions of 3,146 scientists. However there remains divisions between climatologists and scientists from other areas of earth sciences as to the extent of human responsibility.
Two questions were key: Have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?
About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.
The strongest consensus on the causes of global warming came from climatologists who are active in climate research, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role.
Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 percent and 64 percent, respectively, believing in human involvement.
“The petroleum geologist response is not too surprising, but the meteorologists’ is very interesting,” said Peter Doran associate professor of earth and environmental sciences at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and one of the survey’s authors.

Michelle as I stated yesterday for a gal that stated she don’t put much faith in polls you sure do quote them a lot!

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My comment started out as a “play on words” for the title of the thread:

“How do you discuss science when a party’s candidate calls scientists the enemy?”

Rather:

“How do you discuss science, with a ‘Scientist,’ who is really a scientific “useful idiot?”"

This is how I should have posted, as more clearly makes the point.  

Thank you for the opportunity…

read series 3 in that group and you will find the answer don’t just read a post and not read the whole series

Sure deflect away…

Care to actually address what I said?

Have a read of this short article which highlights how  the rejection of evolution is far greater in America compared to other Western Countries:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060810-evolution.html

Global temperature rise
All three major global surface
temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880. 5 Most of this warming has occurred since the
1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of
the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years. 6 Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar
output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009,
surface temperatures continue to increase
You probably believe in the 9/11 conspiracy

Let’s get something straight. The Global warming theory is a theory about what they think will happen, and why they think it will happen. A long term global warming trend has not occurred. That’s a fact.

Gravity occurs every day, everywhere.

You cannot compare gravity, to the theory of manmade global warming – The idea that the earth is going to get significantly warmer than it is now, and it’s caused by human beings. They are simply not comparable.

Sorry. But you got nothin, and have a weak argument.

We believe in it because it is scientific fact. But it is funny to see oil companys and coal companys shake at the thought of it. Really don’t be dumb to tow the company line it’s not very becoming of you.

ya know it just might work bwahaha

Thank you.

Harvard and Columbia I would imagine even a B there would be better then anything Texass A&M could give someone and crrrection a 2.2 GPA would be C not even C+ def not a B-

I woul like to know more about your father and the rescue.Is it possible?

I don’t understand how you poor conservatives can tow the company line about Corperation needing all thier money to create jobs, when they clearly don’t, want to loosen EPA regulations so they can make more money,telling you global warming is a hoax, and you believe it.

and I just figured out your name Barney Frank funny now your out and dont have to hide it!

and the Taliban reject it too so what that just proves they don’t believe in science!

“climate deniers”….LOL !  How about climate zealots, lib?

that you for keeping the internet safe.

This has already been said, but is worth saying again: you have a right to your own opinion but you don’t have a right to your own facts.

You have the story entirely backwards (I’m tempted to say “ass-backwards,” but I’ll resist). Climate change is currently occurring. The theory is about why. And the overwhelming majority of scientists agree that mankind’s influences are responsible.

Now *that’s* a fact.

And the question of “long-term” is entirely your own (unquantified) red herring.

The GOP/Baggers desire to become the party of uneducated, ant-science rubes is right on schedule.

Hey, have you heard that they’re going to film a new “Jurassic Park” movie some time next year? And it’ll have the same relationship to prevailing scientific thought as your post!

Should be a great popcorner.

Leave it up to the kook right aka GOP to politicize science.

OBAMA:  The CHANGE we WARNED YOU ABOUT!

Simply AGREEING that “concensus” equals SCIENCE does NOT elevate yourself (or your country) to some enviable or respectable position!

WHERE was that Univerity of East Anglia, again?  You know, the one that FALSIFIED the Global Warming data and software?  Or are you suggesting that because Britains AGREE on the theory of anthopogenic Global Warming, then all that “East Anglia” stuff is much ado about nothing!?  Is THAT it?

Heaven forbid there could be NEW EVIDENCE (a REAL scientific STUDY, not a picture of a polar bear on ice asserting that the bear is “stranded” – those same polar bears who are KNOWN to swim upwards of 60 MILES) which calls into QUESTION the whole AMOC (Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation [aka the "great ocean conveyor belt"]) theory of Global Warming!
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=new-iceland-current-could-sway-n-at

But don’t let FACTS and EVIDENCE stand in the way of your sheepish belief in AlGore and Anthropogenic Global Warming (but, then, YOU were probably JUST as gung-ho when “experts” were warning of the coming of the next ICE AGE [a few years ago]), weren’t you?! 

The expert’s (wether men ect) advising the salvage operation said all they had to do was brush of a few feet of snow and the air planes would be theres.they the experts were shockd to learn after years of searching the planes were beneath 268 feet of ice.The National Geographic’s coveredthe the story. 

The doc on the Kee Bird depressing, one man died. 

I don’t know how you Liberals can tow the company line that “The Rich” aren’t paying “their fair share” of taxes!

YES, “The Rich” aren’t paying as much taxes as they used to, but that’s NOT because they aren’t paying “their fair share” – it’s BECAUSE there are FEWER Millionaires and Billionaires than before.

Even STILL, the TOP 3% of Income Earners pay MORE of the tax burden than the remaining 97% COMBINED! 
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=21009&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD

WHO isn’t paying “their fair share” again?

AND, one of THE BIGGEST reasons corporations are NOT hiring, is because with ObamaCare (which, by the way, we NOW KNOW will cost 1$ TRILLION more than we were led to believe [hey, Nancy Pelosi WAS RIGHT!  We DID have to let them pass it, BEFORE we found out what was in it!]) – companies DON’T KNOW what it’s ACTUALLY GOING TO COST THEM to hire and pay for the medical benefits of that employee.   They ALSO don’t know what punitive TAXES are going to levied against them!
WHY would ANYONE (in their right mind) HIRE someone in THAT CLIMATE of uncertainty?

Granted IF the DEMAND for their goods and/or Services INCREASED (to the point where they HAD to increase staff), then they might “take a chance”.  The PROBLEM, of course, is because Obama’s PROMISE to keep unemployment BELOW 8% (if we just let them spend that “stimulus” money) is a COMPLETE FAILURE (correction:  A SHAM!  That money just went to Union Thugs [Democrat Campaign Contributors]).  There IS, therefore, NO INCREASE IN DEMAND – thus, NO NEED to increase employees; thus Corporations “sit” on their cash (like WISE businessmen DO)!

WE’RE still waiting for SCIENTIFIC PROOF of Anthorpogenic Global Warming!

A “Concensus” of OPINION is NOT PROOF!

Of course there are fewer millionaires and billioinaires – because of the economy – everyone’s net worth declined.  The point is not that the government is receiving less tax money because there are less rich people, the point is that the rich are paying less of a percentage than they have in the past or that they should be paying.  That’s what fair share is.

If I make $20,000 I should pay no taxes.  If I make $100,000 I should pay a higher percentage of tax than those who make $40,000.  And if I make 1 million or 1 billion, I should pay a higher rate than those that make less.  It’s very simple, and it’s only fair.  Why should someone who makes a billion dollars pay less in taxes as a percentage than someone who makes $100,000?

And speaking of percentages – Corporations not hiring because of the new healthcare law? 0%.
The reason why corporations aren’t hiring is because – a. they’re outsourcing jobs overseas; b. they’ve found that they can be just as profitable, if not more with a smaller staff that works harder because they’re more worried now about job security; c.  Corporations are not people, they have no values, they are only requirement of existence is profit, and hiring right now is not profitable.

Quote: “Scientists are trained and working professionals much like engineers, doctors, and lawyers.”

All of the above, including of all things, now ‘scientists,’ have been guilty of mendacity and deliberate deceit.

The scientific crew at East Anglia University, and their ill-conceived and unnecessary fraud, sadly, damaged the one group of professionals whose credibility remained intact: scientists.  
(note: Philosopher’s credibility remains undamaged and in high regard)

Now, and in the foreseeable future, we must ask what is the political agenda of a ‘scientist?’ 

Purveyor of Rhetoric

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Nonsense!  The crew at East Anglia University in Great Britain are the ones who actually committed academic fraud, based on political inclination.  

If you are not aware of this, shame on you for even venturing into this thread.  The academic fraud transpired in and around 2008-2009.  (Google it, do your own research)

Purveyor

3 Hours and no one has called you a “moron?”  WOW

Anyway, nicely done, succinct with a touch of humor.  My compliments.

Purveyor

Actually, I think Perry would have welcomed a B-. His report card was much worse.  Check out his college transcript. He was a C- D student  But for a macho man, he only got a C in gym. His D in economics belies his lack of knowlege and lack of curiosity of how money supply works.
He graduated from Texas A&M with a GPA of 1.9  – that is sad.  By the way, his neighbor says he isnt a cowboy – never rides horses and doesn’t farm either.  He has never seen him on a tractor.

http://race42012.com/2011/08/05/perry-graduated-from-am-with-a-1-9-gpa/

Our nation was divided long before Barack Obama ran for president.  If you recall, his speech at the 2004 convention was “we aren’t blue states or red states- we are purple states”.  He had big hopes that he could bring the American people together instead of being divided by ideology.  And, how did that division begin?  It began with the Florida results of the 2000 election.  Then, after 9/11  there was an opportunity for President Bush to bring everyone together, but instead, he further divided the country with the Swiftboating  But even more than Bush, I think our country has been more divided by the existence of FOX and it’s hate-speeling talking heads, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.

says the folks who always wants to run on “Don’t let the gays get married!!!! It will anger the magic sky God!!!”

The above stupidity from Redleaf shows the paranoid mentality of the wingnut birther base Perry hopes to appeal to.

Just because the rightwing keeps saying “It’s proven to be a hoax” doesn’t make it so. I know that was Squealers tactic with the bleating sheep in Animal Farm, so I get why they try it.
Evidence shows global warming is occurring. And I’ll take the expertise of the scientists who study it over the drug-addled rantings of the failed rock DJs of rightwing radio any day.

Oh yeah. It was the exact same people 40 years. They never age. They’re always in universities. I think they’re vampires.
LOL You guys just love to make sh-t up, don’t you?

It’s stopped, eh? Guess you didn’t look at a temperature map or go outside this summer when records were broken daily.

they think the Flintstones was a documentary.

What a colossal dumb ass! Still with the right-wing nut/tea bagger lunacy! Only a very stupid person would believe much less write what you did.

I imagine they do.
Their car breaks down:
“Darn lib’rul fuel pump!”
It rains on the day they planned a picnic:
“Stupid lib’rul atmospheric moisture!”
Someone eats all the Cracklin’ Oat Bran:
“Curse you, lib’rul digestive systems!”

It would be my guess that the republicans would be the first to complain if they had to swim in a lake that is filthy as some in countries that have no environmental protection.  (And if you haven’t enjoyed the wrench of the bay at Singapore, you haven’t lived!)   But, I’m not a liberal democrat, so I can also say that there are times that restrictions are just too much.  Republicans need to recognize that not caring for our environment can be just as toxic for them and their children as those of democats.  I have seen companies dumping toxic waste and it seeps into the water and their children develop cancer.  Yes, I live downwind from the Hanford Nuclear Waste site – the site where radioactive materials from the Manhattan Project were stored.  So I know how that effects people.

From the rantings of Republicans, one would suspect that all scientists who believe in evolution are atheists – they aren’t.  And, one would also think that as a believer in GOD, that Republicans would feel it their responsibility to take care of this wonderful earth that GOD has created.

One would think that, wouldn’t they?

Naughty, naughty, naughty! This was flatly untrue the other place you posted it and it’s flatly untrue here.

Your story would be more compelling if it were not flatly untrue.

There was speculation about interglacial cycles at the time and it was briefly a darling of the media, but the scientific community never embraced the idea seriously nor was anything approaching the level of multi-source research applied to the question.

You realize of course, that whenever you make shit like this up, or parrot shit by other prevaricators, you just make your cause look more and more foolish and unreliable?

Here we have a difference of opinion as to whether Global Warming is for real, and why should we be concerned about having clean air, clean water and just plain taking care of our environment.

Let’s just put it this way for those who believe that God created Earth.  Don’t you feel that God gave this gift to the inhabitants of earth and shouldn’t we take care of that gift he gave us as best as we can?  And, with the fact there is a possibility that Global warming is for real, shouldn’t we do everything to protect this gift from God?

Just a thought…..

I decided on the more precise “shit,” “prevaricator,” and “fool.” It just seemed right.

Nonsense. East Anglia sciensts simply not guilty of “mendacity and deliberate deceit.”

I no more need to ask the political agenda of a scientist (no quotes required) than I do of my pet fish.

I think these people are under the impression that “believe what you want” is a reliable modus vivendi and not an insult!

It’s fun to torment nutcases like you, but ultimately it becomes depressing. To think that such pigheaded ignorance can survive these days — when the truth is at your fingertips for no more investment than a few keystrokes — just makes me despair.

It highlights the fact that the Internet (and other electronic information sources) are effectively ungoverned, and if a person with limited ability to detect flapdoodle just goes looking for stupid nonsense to believe in, there’s no shortage and no impediment.

This is a potentially existential threat to democracy. If the electorate is not merely uniformed, but grotesquely misinformed — as in your case — then there’s no telling which blind alleys they may charge down.

Sensible people might think that America is not vulnerable to political destabilization through propagation of untruth (which we might expect in new or immature democracies), but you are living example that we are.

Please describe “Obama’s draconian regulatory assault.”

And it snowed heavily in Washington DC last year. How can anyone continue to believe in global warming?

I think the hysteria on the right is 100% ideologically driven. That’s just an estimate, however, not a scientific measurement.

Yes, there are sesonal variations driven by a number of factors. Nevertheless CO2 are increasing. I don’t believe the NASA study said anything different.

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How very ‘je na se quois.’  As I recall, the first time you commented to me, you used profanity and vulgarity.  Then, typically, in mid-course, you change your personality and flex your vocabulary?

Have you been “drinking a reasonably good Australian Merlot” again?  When we share posts, early in the day you are civil.  At night you become a regular Mr. Hyde…

Purveyor

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I guess I’m as variable as the next guy. I just like to use *all* my words, and I respond to sensible posts with sensible posts and ridiculous ones with ridicule.

CFSs play also a role in the observable change of climate conditions. They don´t only destroy the ozone layer.

Have you ever heard the Jethro Tull song “Thick as a Brick”? Just wonderin’ aloud.

I personally couldnt give two shits about creationism.

Im talking about the hoax that is climate change that your mates at East Anglia helped perpetrate on the western world, and yes I addressed you the first time.

If Americans dont accept evolution its because its in our nature to reject authority, just like its in your nature to bow to your queen.

first off, its climate change, not global warming- didnt you get the memo? Get your propaganda right why dont you…

There are questions you should be asking, if you had a discerning bone in your body.

For example, has it gotten warmer in the last decade like it was predicted?

find that answer out yourself- it might surprise you.

Are greenhouse gases the only factor in play for whether the planet is warming?

Are our current climate patterns unprecedented, or have they happened before?

Do solar flares and patterns have anything to do with the planet warming, and if so how much?

What did NASA have to say recently about heat escaping rapidly from the earth?

What are the main causes of CO2 on this planet? How much of that CO2 is man made?

Why if the data is so obvious, did climate scientists need to manipulate it?

What ulterior motives would scientists have for manipulating data?

Again- if you embrace science so much, find these answers out for yourself. Its not very scientific to accept something blindly without doing your own homework.

Why do you have a  problem with falsifying the theory of AGW…….hmmmmm?

You know the right wing has a problem when they don’t even believe in science. 

Good point. America is at risk of becoming a country of regression in contrast to continuing progress in all other modern democracies. The political and economical impact of reactionary world views shouldn´t be taken lightly.

Have a read sunshine:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/09/climategate-bogus-sceptics-lies

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/12/climategate-debunking-get_n_642980.html

http://mediamatters.org/research/200912010002

ps Oh and please try to have an open mind, don’t just cry liberal media bias. Plently of facts and evidence in those articles for you….

Same as below. Thought would be some good info for you as well:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/envi...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

http://mediamatters.org/resear...

Enjoy :)

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A lot of these self serving a eggheads are duplicitous, hiding and creating erroneous facts ala global warming.
US Govt and Naval sattalites have proven of late that a lot more of the warm air is escaping thru the ozone that these pro global warming cuz of humans, will own up to. Perry is correct. There is a lot of dis-information on this all slanted to forward the govt grant progress agenda.

Huntsman has pushed Perry’s science challenged idiocy into the national spotlight. This will serve to help Romney, who is not quite as science challenged as Perry (see beliefs of the LDS Church).

Rush Limbaugh is about to go “McCain” on Romney, because Romney has disagreed with the “Maha Rushie” about anthropogenic climate change. Romney will now be a shoe-in in the primaries, and Obama will be a shoe-in in the general election (see Bin Laden and Libya solutions).

Huntsman is positioning himself for 2016, brilliantly.

Also, the Editor’s satirical note, at the end of the article, about “never mention[ing]” obesity again, is brilliantly funny, as well. Who does the “editor” at Politico think he/she is? Jon Stewart? Stephanie Miller?

And it has been shown that co2 levels increase as the planet warms, the gas is not the driving force of rising temperatures.

As mentioned above, I found the “Editor’s note” to be very clever satirical parody. Rush Limbaugh thinks that his parodies, about President Obama, are clever too. Below, is a re-post from another thread. Do you think that secessionist, Young Earth Governor, Rick Perry, ”see’s the humor” in this analogous parody by his puppet master?

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It’s a “Triple Double” Oreo. Do you like Oreos, is that…? Well, what it’s going to be here, it’s actually a biracial cookie. You’ve got three of the chocolate wafers, and then you’ve got the white vanilla cream, and then there’s a chocolate cream. So you’ve got three… The thing is, there’s Oreo on it, the wafer. And then you’ve got the white cream, and you got another chocolate wafer, and then you’ve got the chocolate cream and then you’ve got the bottom wafer. The Triple Double Oreo. You wait, it won’t be long before it’s going to be called the “Obameo” or something like this. Well, it’s a biracial cookie here!

The really interesting thing, here, is that last line, “Well, it’s a biracial cookie here!”
Sometimes you can tell that Rush is reacting to the reactions, of his staff, to his incendiary, intentional,”media tweaks”. I’m guessing that Mr. Snerdley had a shocked look on his face. When Limbaugh said this, he was just days away from a one week vacation. In the coming days, Mr. Snerdley suggested that Rush should take two weeks. Who can blame him?

FYI, Limbaugh’s sweetened Treason-in-a-Bottle Tea contains more sugar than two of those Triple Double Oreos. Something tells me, that we won’t be seeing either one of those products in public school cafeterias. Score one for America’s children.

It´s funny that folks come here and hold up a study they aren´t able to understand or to put in context of the debate within the scientific community.

The yahoo link is a biased summary written by a member of the Heartland Institute (yes, Koch, other Big Oli sponsors and all that) for Forbes Magazine. Naturally it doesn´t represent the study in a fair way.

The study was written by a notorious AGW-sceptic which is perfectly fine. I wouldn´t want any skeptic to stop researching.  His article was published in a journal for geographers called Remote Sensing. A really strange place for a study of the supposed significance as MAJOR scientific falsification  of the AGW-theory it is made out to be. 

The study has been dismissed simply as incorrect with regards to the content of the study with sober scientific arguments .

What the looks-it snows-no warming-hahaha-Al Gore-crowd doesn´t get is that there are more than enough scientists that happily will embrace scientific results to move forward in their field. This crowd is dense to the point they will believe studying climate change serves only the purpose for socialists, communists, demonic liberals and the Devil himself to push some sinister agenda.  

You must be confused, Jon.

It was an elected representative from Florida, and member of the Black Caucus, that called millions of primarily White citizens “The Enemy”!

Couple that with Waters’ tirade that these people should “Go straight to hell”, and it makes you wonder if the Black Caucus is a Government-sanctioned RACIST Organization, doesn’t it?

Just imagine if Tea Party members starting telling Black Caucus members the same thing. Do you think you’d get the same SILENCE from the Democrats & THEIR MEDIA!?

just what we need: more Tea Bagger racists.

do you even read before spouting off?

You have to understand something about this guy: he’s a Beckerhead.

Enough said?

Are you trying to start a Flame War with me little man?

“TMP”

Thank you for providing more proof on how much Glenn Beck/Fox Propaganda has stupified you.

You’re flat out wrong about what 90%+ of climate scientists believe, but you would never know that from Fox and Beck.

I definitely will quote you about this whenever I need to show how massively misinformed you, a Beckerhead, are.

You run along now and try and spew your crap to someone else, I’m far beyond the thinking of people like you.

Sorry, I’m not intimidated by morons.

“TMP”

All I will tell you is that he was in the rescue crew 22 July 1942. I will not post any personal information on websites like this because of all the Leftist Loony Tunes and bigots.

Sorry. I do have pictures from the rescue though.

“TMP”

Go ahead and quote me without doing the research, I welcome the opportunity to make you look like even more of an idiot. You are the one who is stupefied, (which you stupidly misspelled), and it was a do it yourself project you took on with gusto. Congratulations on completing it in such masterful fashion.

The study has been dismissed simply as incorrect with regards to the content of the study with sober scientific arguments.

By whom? With what sober scientific arguments? The study is peer reviewed. That’s the exact opposite of dismissal. Where’s your science, Mr. Science?

I don’t think you know what science is. Tell me, is the center of the Earth several million degrees?

Here’s another question for those who think government is the answer to every problem: Do you think taxes can change the weather? Do you think government can change the climate?

You know, Victor, there are so many words to describe what you are that it makes it hard to choose just one, but being your own Insane Clown Posse must have it’s own rewarding aspects.

And now you come to tea bagging – finally a subject you are intimately connected to from your days in prison.

Do you ever read or do you just rely on your load of barnyard effluent to carry you downstream?

No Victor, not nearly enough. The fact is you are wrong about this just as much as you are consistently wrong about nearly every subject you inject your narcissistic personality disorder and it’s manifestations into.

You have to understand something about this guy: He is certifiably insane. He thinks calling people names is honesty, but he being a pathological liar would think that. There is no courage or honor in Victor Tiffany, and he runs from debate after flinging his dog logs at the party with whom he is engaged, and he always makes every issue a personal attack filled with the most vulgar language possible, especially when he is attacking women. He thinks this makes him a big man, but in reality the sane people of the world see him for what he is – a teeny weeny.

Obviously somewhere well hidden from you and where you can´t find it. D´ oh! Use your brain sometimes and you may discover where.

Yes, the government can actually.They cant just say “Hey, climate, get better” but they can implement policies that regulate the amount of green house gases that get released into the air every year. Also, taxes can help change the weather. Just raising or lowering taxes wont do anything, but if you give tax breaks to comapnies who research and develop alternative fuel sources, then they can.

“Since when did reporting a fact of science become political?”

Answer:  Since the media turned all topics into political spin.

“Yes, I may worry about a time when every single issue is a minefield because political parties have needlessly “chosen sides,” but that day is still a far way off. And hopefully it will never come.
In fact, I’m sure it will never come.”

Political parties have needlessly chosen sides? Why don’t we put this squarely on the heads of where it belongs: the MEDIA and all their glorious paid-for bias?

Wake up, Jon Boy. That day is HERE! NOW! You hope it will never come because to admit that it is here, means you (generalized media talking heads) have complicity in planting the mines. How can you be sure it will never come unless you disarm the mines redendering the minefields ineffective?

Sorry to be the one to tell you Free, but common sense in this bureaucracy began a slow painful death back in the ’60′s. I’m not sure if it is dead now, or merely clutching onto a slender thread of life, but unless common sense is mandated and legislated, there is no chance of survival in the current political climate.

And we know the left wing has a problem when they attack every avenue of real or imagined issues and put a political spin on it.

Next, the left will abolish daylight savings time in order to spend more money on policy changes in agriculture and airline flight patterns.

Bully tactics from Victorrhea!

Looks like the cockroach has come crawling out from under his rock to attack and threaten again.

Flaming queen attacks again! Run along little Vicky…this topic isn’t about you or your man crush Glenn Beck.

Another sleazy attack by VicTROLLa against conservatives or anyone who doesn’t swallow his scum. Go ahead, you snowblowing idiot, take another swing or two at hyjacking a forum for your obsessive man-crush Glenn Beck. Go ahead and lie about all the threats you’ve made against women here and on facebook. Lisa is the wife of another poster who you terrorized and threatened.

Victorrhea, you Lie and Deny. 

YOUR LIES ARE WELL DOCUMENTED. Should we provide them here for all to see????

Thank you for providing more proof that you have a sick obsession with Glenn Beck and how “stupified” the Media Matters Propaganda machine has made you.

You are flat out wrong about 90% of the comments you make, but you will never know that because you are blind-sided by misogyny, bigotry and hypocrisy.

“I definitely will quote you about this whenever I need to show how massively misinformed you”, a Paranoid Schizophrenic, “are.”

VicTROLLa, you’re an idiot.

OBTW little man, we are a Republic. Intelligent people in this country know that fact.

The “flapdoodle” comes from those people such as yourself who march in lockstep with their handlers because they don’t have the ability to look beyond the HYPE and RHETORIC that they are fed.

If you haven’t noticed little man, your ilk are the purveyors of untruth in this country. You’ve closed your minds because your leaders have told you that there is no more room for argument and your science is the only science just like in the Dark Ages.

You’re closed minded idiot. It’s people like you who believed that the world was flat because all the scientists of the day said it was and anyone who didn’t accept that dogma was put in Jail or burned at the stake.

“TMP”

I have read more about global warming then I really care to, and I’m certainly not going to debate it with a DOLT like you. I,ve read those facts. so you are a global warming hoax guy you probably believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theory also, good for you.

I beg to differ with you.  There is a black Culture,  According to many so called Black leaders in this country.  If its not a culture, please provide a word you are more comfortable with,  but which in the end means CULTURE.   I am not saying its wrong nor bad to have a Black or White culture,  I will say there are some serious bad people in both.

Yep, most arrogant elitist and disingenuous Liberals believe only they are smart enough to think about anything.   The whole point is, You are wrong and have been for ever.  But since its settled, why consider it ever again right.  You got it wrong in the beginning and failing to ever address it again you will forever be wrong.   So Be It

And you feel only your kind can determine what is fact and what is myth.  You dont  have any more answers than your claimed ancestors the chimps do.  So Be IT. 

Well where does it say that Americans are not smarter in some areas.  I dont care what you wish to believe but dont whine at me because you come from a backward thinking country.  Having seen the history of a corrupt church ( religion ) in your country for ages, I would reject it too.  But there are those that got it right.  Look to them before you shut your mind down completely.

Understandable.

Ahhhhh comon,  If we cant look back at all those record lows last winter  how come you can look at todays summer temps?    And think about this statement from one of your so called global warming scientists who said this about that record cold winter.   He said ” Yes the record cold proves there is global warming” .     You got to love stupidity where ever you find it, and boy can you find it among the global warming crowd. 

Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal
research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science
Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua
satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA’s Terra satellite contradict
multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.

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Roy W. Spencer is a climatologist and a Principal Research Scientist for the University of Alabama in Huntsville, as well as the U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has served as senior scientist for climate studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.

He speaks publicly often on climate, including four appearances on Coast to Coast AM.[6] He is on the board of directors of the George C. Marshall Institute.[7] He is on the board of advisors of the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(scientist)

Of course anything that contradicts your Global Warming mantra is obviously written by the Koch brothers and the oil industry.  You’re a brainwashed idiot. You’ve closed your mind to anyone’s opposing view because your handlers have told you that there is no room for debate because all the facts are in.

That’s stupidity at its highest.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/07/27/new-nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-in-global-warming-alarmism/?partner=yahoofeed

“TMP”

There you go Bob,  No one says the globe isnt warming.  And when it swings the other way,  no one will say it isnt cooling,  Because thats what it does over and over and over.  Right now you have fools like Gore who stand to make Billions if its true so he has to push it even when he knows, its just a cycle and will again turn to the cooling cycle.  Many so called scientists claim new findings proving global warming because if they dont turn in papers they loose funding and they will never cut their own throat now will they.  The fact they had to doctor the data proves that beyond doubt now dont it.

And that folks, is an awesome display of the Arrogant and Elitist make up of the Liberal Left.   Only they are smart enough to figure this stuff out.   BS and you know it.

Great edit – lmao.

Thank you for posting another link to the article. I am impressed. Same article, different link, all of a sudden things look way different. ROFL.

Thank you for the information who Roy Spencer is. I so totally didn´t knew he is a notorious AGW-sceptic. Now, go figure out which information from wiki confirms it.

“That’s stupidity at its highest.” from someone with your poor reading and comprehension skills is priceless.

Let me give you a hint: a Forbes article and the credentials of Roy Spencer say zero about the merit of his study. It´s just a poor study. That´s all.

Projecting your existence as brainwashed idiot is rich.

The amount of stupidity coming from folks like you is limitless on this subject as on any other.

Hey Mediaite writer Jon Bershad:
Listen to yourself. “Scientists do, in an overwhelming majority, BELIEVE IN man-made
climate change”. And then in the next paragraph: “Since when did reporting A FACT OF SCIENCE become political?
Do you not see the problem there? Belief vs. Fact? Science is not a democracy. A majority opinion doesn’t make it right.

It speaks volumes about the subject. He’s an accredited scientist with impeccable credentials. He’s also the guy who was responsible for reading the DATA coming from the NASA satellite.

Your ignorance is astounding when you can’t except any information other than what your leftists feed you.

Lets see your DATA. Nasa has already admitted to flawed DATA from it’s satellites. Your pals over at East Anglia admitted that hey formed a hypothesis and then looked for data to justify it. How scientific. They also admitted to omitting data if it didn’t fit the hypothesis. Then they emailed each other trying to figure out what data would ensure their Government funding.

You’re the stupid one here, not me. Just because a scientist disagrees with your lunacy he automatically called a “notorious AGW-sceptic.

If you can prove that anything I have said or posted about Roy Spencer the ” senior scientist for climate studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, then lets see it or take a hike.

You’re a closed minded little man who can’t see beyond your ignorant rhetoric and hate for people who don’t see eye to eye with you.

You have a nice ignorant day now, ya hear.

“TMP”

I find it very funny that you confirmed with your comments all I said from start to finish without even noticing it. Now, take a few days, maybe get a tutor to help you with comprehending this and get back to me when you have made some progress. Best of luck!

I’ve read all your crap little man and in all of your posts you claim that there is definatly MMGW but not one of your post have you presented any facts except to say “Most Scientists say there is”.

My comprehension skill seem to be far beyond yours. It must be awful dark inside a closed mind.

I’ll wait for your indisputable facts that proves that your rants are anything more than just blathering ignorance.

Best of luck little man. Take a few seconds and get back to me.

Sorry but I’m not intimidated by small minded liberals.

You have a nice closed minded day now, ya hear.

“TMP”

“TMP”

Folks, have you noticed that “The True Believers” never present any facts to back up their rants and insults?

It seems that it’s enough to just have someone say to them “The majority of Scientists say it’s true” but tose Scientist rely on computer models that have been proven to be flawed in it’s programming because of bias programmers. When a NASA scientist refutes their data because it doesn’t take into consideration many known factors those Scientists are anti GW skepics.

Make them prove their facts! Make them prove that their rhetoric is more than leftist HYPE.

That’s the Scientific way after all, you make a claim and then you have to prove it. We don’t have to prove a negative, they have to prove the positive, if they can’t then it’s just so much garbage on the trash heap.

“TMP”

It´s a study rejected for being incorrect. That isn´t too difficult to understand. Simple as that.
Other than you who can´t comprehend information and suffers from an inferiority complex of major proportions I took the time to read the available information and feel very comfy in concurring that the study is worthless judged only on the content of the study.

Don´t get a heart attack because it bursts your bubble of delusions like “leftist
scare tactic of give us more money so we can stop the change.”  Another
proof of your ignorance since conservatives around the globe  also use  “leftist scare tactic”.

Rejected by people like you? Where’s your proof of MMGW? I don’t see any.

“TMP”

Open your eyes and you will see.

Open your eyes and you will see.

Prove this statement is wrong little man.

The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models. The Terra satellite data also support data collected by NASA’s ERBS satellite showing far more longwave radiation (and thus, heat) escaped into space between 1985 and 1999 than alarmist computer models had predicted. Together, the NASA ERBS and Terra satellite data show that for 25 years and counting, carbon dioxide emissions have directly and indirectly trapped far less heat than alarmist computer models have predicted.

By James Taylor | Forbes – Wed, Jul 27, 2011

“TMP”

Give me your facts little man. I can get rhetoric from any of your friends here but you seem to have focused on me so lets see your facts.

“TMP”

I would like to see your Scientific proof of that post.  I’ll wait.

“TMP”

The Fox is in charge of the Hen house.

What did you expect them to admit to?  Maybe that they are all liars and deceivers.

Post some proof of MMGW.  I’ve read many of the emails and If those committees didn’t find something rotten in Denmark then they are part of the lie.
Show me some proof pal. Here’s your chance to present something more than opinion.

“TMP”

The research of East Anglia University is to climatology as Piltdown man was to archeology.

Science!

So despite protestations about the breadth of Tea Party support from all Americans, you’re now saying that the Tea Party is made up entirely of white people, and so any angry black pollie who tells ‘em to go to hell is doing it because their skins are so pale?

I think a simpler answer would make more sense: she said go to hell because Tea Partiers are (in the main and collectively) obnoxious assholes who want to wreck the country.

Could that be it?

The author of this study is a vocal proponent of Intelligent Design. That pretty much puts the kaibosh on any serious consideration of his research, but I will make a few points anyway.

1) This is how science works. Hypotheses are tested by experiment and data analyis. While Spencer’s credentials are compromised by his wacky ID beliefs, it does appear that he’s pretty much followed standard practice in gathering data and coming to this conclusion.

2) If he’s validated by his scientific peers, Spencer’s discoveries will be incorporated in the climate models everyone’s working on, and we’ll all know more than we did before. However, this study is the furthest possible thing from a smoking gun pointing at decades-long errors by climate scientists (especially since it’s being challenged on the basis of its methodology and data interpretation), it’s just part of the picture.

3) And finally, I’d like to post a statement — of which Spencer is a signatory — from the same article you cited, from the “Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation,” which gives us some insight into the basic beliefs against which he measures his observations:

“We believe Earth and its ecosystems — created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence — are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception.

“In other words, “Don’t worry, God will fix it.”

Enough said.

I don’t see any verifiable facts or studies that prove the existence of MMGW in your post.

Your rhetoric doesn’t prove anything and the fact that some scientists believe in God is also irrelevant.

Give me some verifiable facts or shut up.

“TMP”

I didn’t say the Government was the answer to every problem nor did I say that taxes could change the way the wind blew.

What I did say and I will repeat again.  If GOD made the Earth, is it not the responsibility of those inhabiting the earth to take care of it????????

Is it not the responsibility of those people to think before they throw plastic diapers into the landfill?
Shouldn’t they recognize that it will take 125 years for that plastic of that one diaper to break down?  Perhaps they might even want to take care of the earth GOD created by buying cotton diapers and using them over and over rather than throwing away plastic diapers.  

After all, we can all do our part to keep this Earth cleaned up and protect it as much as possible – can’t we?

The Democrats are good at political science, that’s about it.  Obama and the Dems have cancelled the Moon and Mars missions, the NASA Constellation program, the SSC, shuttle program, etc.  My guess is Obama knows it’s mostly white guys on those spaceships and he wants none of that.  Now all NASA does is watch for the nebulous global warming and send out missives about the great science of the Muslims of yesteryear.

“Fox news! I was wondering when you were going to work that into your ignorant rant Matt.”That’s nice. Hardly informative or interesting, but it’s certainly a statement. “Hey, there’s a light bulb in my desk lamp!”"You brought up the subject of Gravity not me.”Sure did. Wow, powers of observation are cranked all the way to eleven in this guy.”Your slur:”Accepting science is not the same as believing in Big Bubba Jesus.” ”

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“I’m not impressed nor am I intimidated by small minded people.”
You ignore every shred of evidence towards human-impacted global warming that passes your eyes because it doesn’t gel with what you heard from your paid-off right-wing pundits, believing only what they have spoon-fed you since this whole climate change debate was brought up again in recent history, and yet somehow I end up being small-minded. You’re practically nodding dazedly at whatever your ant-brained political base is telling you to think, and yet I’m “small-minded?”

All I can guess is that you’re projecting. You’re throwing these insults at me because you’re afraid to face them in yourself. I’m not small-minded at all, in fact it’s in my nature to scrutinize things. You throw it all in a waste bin marked “propaganda of the ancient liberal conspiracy” at the behest of your corporate-owned buddies.

You’re no free-thinker. A free thinker would never shy away from scientific understanding. You’re a stupid little bumblefuck who’s so afraid of the word “liberal” that he adopts a whole new fantasy world where the facts don’t matter, so you can escape from what you perceive to be an ever-present liberal threat. When it comes to pass that you were wrong, you will feel so lost. You’ll just recede deeper into your fantasy world, putting up a big sign that says, “no sience alowd.”

Since I’m sure you’ll claim you’re “not going to read that” to hide the fact that you can’t, here’s a summary: the fact that you hide from the facts and call yourself a free thinker for it is hilarious.

“You have a nice Liberal atheist day now, ya hear.”

You keep saying that as if it’s some stinging insult, as if I’d have any reason to be offended by those words, and you’re going to keep saying it, because you’re the kind of brainless, lethargic swamp man who believes that repeating the same thing boosts its effectiveness.

It’s hard to be insulted by someone like you. It’s be like taking offense at a dog barking at me from in his yard, as I bike off to my LIBERUL college, for my 3:00 course in LIBERUL ORGIES and whatever else your fantasy world tells you we educated folk engage in.

Keep clutching that rifle, Cletus.

While I would never use Wikipedia in a professional context, I find that it is sufficiently credible for more casual discussions and incredibly valuable because of its broad scope. For that reason I point you to the following link, which a a good summary of the current science. “Proof” is a slippery concept and doesn’t mean the same thing in science and math that it does in conversation or in the courtroom, so this link points to “evidence” of climate change rather than “proof,” because proof is not meaningful in this context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change

With regard to the East Anglia smear, there were two findings: 1) The scientists did not share their information as freely and quickly as they should have, which impeded peer review in some cases, and 2) smear artists are very capable of mischievously mischaracterizing informal communications among scientist to build a phony case against them.

The “smoking gun” that client change deniers point to is the “trick” one scientist alluded to in the presentation of his data. The smear artists refuse to acknowledge that in this context “trick” meant figuring out a workable method of presenting a challenging data set.

This sort of bullshit is exactly why rightwingers are considered enemies of science (and by implication, dumb clucks), because not only was the misapprehension deliberate, it had the effect of making scientists even more cautious in communicating among themselves, thereby delaying resolution of the very issues the wingnuts insist must be resolved.

You are actually right in this case, Wiki is not a site for scientific studies. Again you provide no data or proof of MMGW.

Show me the reports, the DATA, the computer models and some sore of facts behind your insistence that there is actually MMGW.

You failed to do this again. Give it another try, it’s out there, I’ve read them.

All I see is more rhetoric but no actual proof.

“TMP”

Wiki is a fine site for general information but it is not a Scientific site. Anyone can contribute to Wikipedia at any time and the information is not always factual.    Again you chose to post the same rhetoric that people like you always post but unfortunately there are no studies, computer reports or verifiable facts in it.

Give me some factual information from a scientist with real DATA.  The reports are out there, I’ve read many of them, pro and con, now you go and find a few and post them here.

Again, you post nothing but rhetoric which I can get from any of you “True Believers”, it’s specifics that you people can never seem to provide.

Do the research into the subject that I have already done before I made my decision to label MMGW as hype and a HOAX.  Step up to the plate and produce the facts if you can.

“TMP”

Sorry. I’ve led the horse to water. If it refuses to drink . . .

You dodged the challenge nothing more. You can’t produce the DATA or any reports that support your argument.

I’ve been drinking from the lake of knowledge for quite some time, you’ve been drinking from the bottle of ignorance too long.

Classic liberal fail. You had a chance to state your case and you could only come up with HYPE and RHETORIC.

“TMP”

Folks, as I have said before, make them prove their rhetoric with verifiable facts and scientific reports and DATA.

Then let the discussion begin if it ever gets that far, it usually won’t.

Have a nice pleasant day.

“TMP”

As usual, you’re WRONG again:

http://www.examiner.com/progressive-in-syracuse/glenn-beck-is-proven-wrong-about-climate-gate

YOu’d know the upshot of the climate-gate e-mails if you’d watch a real news network instead of the right-wing propaganda, Fox.

It’s not that the author you cited believes in God; you missed his point. The author you cited doesn’t believe in science.

The vast majority of climate scientists understand AGW. Your psuedo scientist is wrong. If Spencer is wrong but he and you get your way, then the climate will collapse (fail to support mammalian life) and civilization will collapse because we did nothing. Humans may go extinct if you guys get your way.

On the other hand, if Spencer is right and 98% of climate scientists are wrong but they get their way, we will spend billions and billions of dollars to shift to renewable and sustainable energy sources that will improve our national security by making us energy independent, but the climate won’t be affected.

If we listen you Spencer, and he’s wrong; our descendants will die. We cannot afford to listen to religunuts that put faith before science.

Go away with your idiotic nonsense. I don’t listen to sick people like you.

I posted the credentials of the people I reference. You post crap like all the others. No facts just hype.

“TMP”

When did it become OK for reactionaries like you to spout off guesses and false claims as facts?

Oh right: you’re a Beckerhead.

That’s all anyone needs to know about you and Bobby, the other hard core reactionary.

You know all about me?

Where did I attend high school?

How many times have I been married?

How many children do I have?

Please, you’re comments are so absurd, a monkey laughs out loud at you.

Are you trying to start something little man? Are you trying to start a Flame War?

You’re a sick little man who needs professional help. You are easily fixated on people to the point of obsession. Get some help before you hurt someone. I still have the address to the clinic if you want it. I’ll even give them a call and set up an appointment for you.

If not, then don’t bother me with your idiocy.

“TMP”

If you’d watch a real news outlet instead of Fox propaganda, you’d know the upshot about climate gate.

http://www.examiner.com/progressive-in-syracuse/glenn-beck-is-proven-wrong-about-climate-gate

When did it become OK for a prosimian like you to keep being so unbelievably stupid? Epoxymoron, you have an unbreakable bond with stupid.

You got a problem with me? Name it or stay forever silent and stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAlNrtcPCLw

There is no one here who gives a rat’s butt about anything about you, you burned all those bridges long ago. There must be a federal law against you breeding – there has to be!

And that monkey would be you, prosimian Epoxymoron.

“Look, the stupid sticks to him like glue!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAlNrtcPCLw

More on the fake climate crap?!? Read what the US Senate has to say and please grow a brainstem!

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb

Epoxymoron, enough already with your lies couched in half truths, wrapped in monkey brainsand tied with a bow of stupidity .

You are a menace to the human race – Epoxymoron!

His facebook page says he went to Chenango Valley Jr. Sr. High School. But that doesn’t mean he graduated. Do they put the local hs on a GED?

Can’t believe anyone would marry him once, let alone twice. He probably killed his first wife…. He’s only been married for 4 years, so this wife he terrorizes probably hasn’t gotten to know the REAL vicrot. Word is he has a son, but he’s no where to be found…yet. Todd said Vicky has a daughter, too. That’s not verified either. They probably changed their names…you know, witnes protection.

You would be surprised the information you can find if you have the right ‘connections’.

If you looked at the article you would have seen that it was thoughtful and unemotional, that it cited the source of every assertion made, provided a look at opposing views (also cross-referenced), and gave an exhaustive list of additional sources one can check — including access to original data sets. As I said, it was a summary (one of the things Wikipedia does best).

Using the terms “hype” and “rhetoric” (in all caps or not) for the Wiki article is prima facie evidence that you didn’t read a word, or that you are simply unable to process information effectively. I leave it to other readers to make their own choice on that.

I am not a climate scientist. I own no climate data that I have produced. I am a reasonably educated person who works for a technology-based company. I have several times pointed you to enough data to drown in, which you have declined to examine, presumably because it would, as a side effect, drown the bees buzzing in your bonnet.

In short, you have no evidentiary justification for your climate-change denial, which is pretty obvious to anyone who’s followed this thread.

P.S.: It’s also obvious that you’ve been “drinking from the lake” for some time, but I’m not sure you read the label on that “lake” closely enough.

I read the article and most of the sources. It was completely bias and it didn’t show any verifiable studies that proved MMGW.

Most of the reports were predictions from 1991 through 2011. None of which came true.

You have not posted anything that is verifiable or any reports that prove your assumptions.

You once again fail to prove or provide any verifiable information that MMGW exists.

You, however continue to try to insult me with your childish comments.

Come back when you have something that is not touched by the IPCC. I’ve read all their crap already.

You have provided no evidentiary justification for MMGW. It it was a proven science then you think you could produce just one report that isn’t conjecture and supposition.

Your leage of scintists have made dozens of predictions of doom and destruction since 1991 and according to those scientists that you keep holding up as infallible New York is under 12 feet of water and Florida has ceased to exist. That’s a good track record.

Once again you fail to prove your rhetoric.

“TMP”

Here’s a few areas that Iv’e studied before deciding that it’s all a hoax.

Sea surface temperatures and how their measured.

Weather satellites and their method of measuring temperatures in the sea since 1967.

Regional variations and El Nino.

Air mass, Numerical weather prediction, and Precipitation (meteorology)

Atlantic multidecadal oscillation. (Schlesinger and Ramankutty )

and that’s just for starters. I also read NASA’s reports where they admit that their Satellite measurements were flawed. That flawed DATA is constantly referenced in IPCC reports without correction.

So you see, the information is out there and so is the DATA that shows MMGW has not been proven to be fact.

“TMP”

Essentially, you make an impertinent assumption, then conclude you and your sources are superior to me. LOL THEN, you leave a web-link that is ‘prima facie,’ preposterous? You sir, are a coward, as you attempt to let others fight your battle thus make your point for you. HLO (Haughty laugh out-loud) Moreover, IF, Fox News is biased as you seem to be alluding too, then what is an outfit or link associated to Media Matters, a notorious Left wing publication and think tank? LOL You and the other Socialists that have been so critical of my posts regarding Global Warming, obviously have not thoroughly read them, or you would know that I actually practice environmental conservation, almost every day of my life. Whereas I am certain, you people only talk about it on the I-net? BY the way, isn’t “Victor Tiffany” the name of a New Orleans Drag queen? LOL

Did you see where Victor is trying to smear Glenn Beck by saying he’s gay and he uses a so-called friend from 20 years ago to prove it.

He’s a sick man and people should know that he has a habit of lying and threatening people who disagree with his madness. He has an unhealthy fixation on a man he has never met. He claims to be a Journalist but he’s really a sick little man with mental problems.

I don’t usually comment about this sicko but lately he has seen fit to try and direct his lies and smears at me.

I’ve asked him to ease up on the smears but he continues behind my back.

I just thought you should know.

“TMP”

Thank you!  I had forgot all about that. (“Piltdown man”)  Makes for an excellent point, counter point.

The anger and vitriol thrown at me and others on this thread is stunning.  I did not even say if I believed in global warming, or not.  Rather I argued that “science” had given itself a black eye, so to speak.

Typically, the Left was only interested in promulgating their political orthodoxy.

Purveyor 

test test

I posted a number of times on this thread, none of which said I opposed the theory of global warming.  My complaint was that science had damaged its credibility by politicizing itself.

The incident at East Anglia University has caused me, and others, to question the credility of certain scienctifi areas of study.  To me, such seems completely reasonable, given the circumstances?

The reaction from the Liberal-progressives has been awful.  The Liberal’s vituperative reaction, has only affirmed my new found distrust in science, not restored my faith.

That it did not occur to the Liberal-Progressives that there might be a better and more productive way of conveying their message and position, should tell us all about the possibility of “compromise,” in any political debate in this era.

Purveyor  

I posted a number of times on this thread, none of which said I opposed the theory of global warming.  My complaint was that science had damaged its credibility by politicizing itself.

The incident at East Anglia University has caused me, and others, to question the credility of certain scienctifi areas of study.  To me, such seems completely reasonable, given the circumstances?

The reaction from the Liberal-progressives has been awful.  The Liberal’s vituperative reaction, has only affirmed my new found distrust in science, not restored my faith.

That it did not occur to the Liberal-Progressives that there might be a better and more productive way of conveying their message and position, should tell us all about the possibility of “compromise,” in any political debate in this era.

Purveyor  

All those missing people in his history – HE’S A FRIGGIN’ CANNIBAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Besides if they are alive they would have to be in witless protection to keep them safe from his epoxymoronic stunts.

From where we stand Vic, you are the reactionary. MMGW science gets debunked, you all get crazy an all reactionary. TEA Party supports the Constitution, smaller government, no tax increases, common sense reform and rooting out corruption in government you all get crazy (reactionary), conservatives support capitalism, free market and the values and principles this country was founded on and what made it great, and reject the socialist direction that Obama and the liberals are trying to drive this country, you all get reactionary…I could name more. But it is you lefty, libbies who throw the term reactionary around on anyone who doesn’t agree with you while you are the true reactionaries. So when did it become OK for reactionaries like you to spout off guesses and false claims as facts?

Did you abuse your first wife?

Victor,
One scientist was cleared in Climategate. How many resigned their positions because of it?
Phil Jones- Head of University of East Anglia CRU resigned in November 2009, reinstated in 2010.
Yvo de Boer- Top UN climate official, resigned in February, 2010.
Hal Lewis- One of the Authors of the Reactor Safety Study, resigned from the American Physical Society, in protest of Climate Gate.
Need I got on?

I mentioned this earlier, your mechanism to send your posts to e-mails is not working.  I just found your message here by dub luck.

Maybe you are not aware of the function?  It is very convenient.  Go back into the login function and somewhere it asks you if you want to have posts sent by e mail…

Also, I just found out VICTOR writes for media matters.  He’s a lousy writer!

Try and fix the e mail thing, so we don’t miss each others mail?

Liberal Media Attacks Gov. Perry – Global Warming and Genesis and Black Clouds
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http://roanokeslant.blogspot.com/2011/08/liberal-media-attacks-gov-perry-global.html
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I post through Dashboard. If you would like to get my responses then you have to click on my profile and select “Follow” and then you will get my replies or see what I’m posting. I have all the notifications selected so if you’re not getting replies I can’t help you. Disqus does that sometimes.

“TMP”

Fox News: ‘Facts Are Certainly’ On The Side Of Global Warming, But ‘It Doesn’t Matter’

On Fox & Friends Sunday, anchor Clayton Morris admitted that Fox
News factcheckers have confirmed that man-made global warming is
“certainly” real, but argued that it “doesn’t matter” because climate
denial is popular among Fox News-watching conservatives. Morris
contrasted Jon Huntsman’s defense of the National Academy of Sciences
with Rick Perry’s claims that scientists have “manipulated data” to
concoct manmade global warming:

MORRIS: If you dive into the weeds a little bit on this global warming thing, you see that it seems that facts are certainly on Huntsman’s side on all of this and fact checkers have come out, we’re
actually having our own brain room look look at this right now that any
of Perry’s comments don’t seem to hold a lot of water. It doesn’t matter.
What’s resonating right now in South Carolina is helping Governor Perry
tremendously and he fired back at Huntsman on global warming and
gaining traction, facts or not.http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/08/25/303803/fox-news-facts-are-certainly-on-the-side-of-global-warming-but-it-doesnt-matter/#more-303803

Think Progress is a far left Liberal Progressive smut site. It’s run and funded by George Soros.

“TMP”

Senator Inhofe is a moron and denialist. Notice that he doesn’t list his so-called scientists? I guess that if you’re going to deny science, you’d choose the most anti-scientific Senator you can find.

Get the facts: http://www.edf.org/climate/basics-global-warming?gclid=CJjYqtyj7aoCFYGJ5godUGe-QQ

YOU are an anti-science denialist. The science is clear; the Earth is warming. It’s a simple matter of physics, but morons, for whatever reasons, prefer to stick their heads in the sand and deny mankind’s gravest danger. There is no doubt about this, and the vast majority of climate scientists are in consensus on this.

http://www.edf.org/climate/how-we-know-the-earth-is-warming

You’re a Beckerhead. Only morons take Beck’s word/ideas on anything.  A Beckerhead is the last person to throw stones about one’s IQ, but you don’t care. You don’t have to care; being a reactionary Beckerhead means using every bit of sleazy manner and unChristian manner that Beck uses including name calling and blatantly false claims.

What other science do you deny?  You think that God created Adam and Eve to start the human race too?

“You think that God created Adam and Eve to start the human race too?”

Can you prove otherwise with science? So far nothing has been presented scientifically to support claims to the contrary.

Why can’t you just admit you have been beaten? You are like the Knight who says NI! Your arms and legs have been cut away and blood is spurting from your many wounds, yet you still try to fight back. You are defeated, accept that so we can all move on.

The enemy of all humankind are the science deniers arguing against physics.  We are warming up the atmosphere with the tons and tons of carbon we’re dumping into the atmosphere.  Only morons and tools for the fossil fuel industry are denying the science of our warming planet.

If I and the 98% of climate scientists are wrong, we’ll spend money becoming energy independent. If the reactionaries like Glenn Beck and his minion doodadio are wrong  but they get their way, the human race will become extinct.

This is basic futurology.  Energy independence or extinction.  That is the choice that science is telling us to make.

http://www.edf.org/climate/basics-global-warming?gclid=CJjYqtyj7aoCFYGJ5godUGe-QQ

“The sky is falling, the sky is falling” -Al Gore, Victor Tiffany, MMGW alarmists and politicians.

Science now says you lose. Better get read up on whats happening in this day and age.

Victor who is Edward Teller? The person who endorsed the over 31,000 signatures on the petition at http://www.petitionproject.org/ that’s who. I hardly think you are in a position to claim he is a science denier since he has had a PhD in Physics since before you were born.  That giant ball of fire in the sky is responsible for climate change in a much more dramatic fashion than any human activity is and that is accepted by an overwhelming majority of the scientific community.

http://www.petitionproject.org/

Read it and weep.

You once again stretch the bounds of credibility. Futurology is hypothetical conceptual forecasts of what might happen someday. While it is based on available data, it is still largely someone’s speculation and too easily swayed by those who want to make the future fit into a predefined box.  That doesn’t make it truth. Like statistics you can make them say what you want to depending on the samples and prejudice used by the person doing the study.

There is no hard science for determining the future. This is science what if.

Futurology? Is that like a crystal ball or Tarot cards for the intellectual elitists?

I can predict the future! Really, I can! VicTROLLa will post a snarky reply here insulting you and calling you a liar or he’ll deflect to something totally unrelated while he tries to untuck his hairy tail from between his legs.

To Victor Tiffany:

Does you mocking and threatening everyone makes you such a big man, so puffed up with your own delusions? Did losing the election to the House turn you into such a despised and evil lowlife? Or was it the pumpkin growing contest? There is more to life than growing the biggest pumpkin in the county or winning an election. What has made you so negative, so evil? Have you no pride? Have you no sense of decency? Does your family know that you spend your days trash-talking on the internet? Is this your vocation? Do you get paid to be the most obnoxious asshole on Mediaite? It defies logic why anyone with an iota of integrity would stoop so low as to post the comments that you post here daily. If you don’t get help for your obvious psychosis, then at least consider making some time for inner reflections of who you are and what you have become. Your obsessive display of such reprehensible behavior and words is beyond disturbing. It’s disgusting.     

Your obvious obsession with me is coming across as mental illness, a neurosis perhaps.

In my comment below, I am not attacking anyone, trash talking, or come across as “obsessive” in any way.  

You, on the other hand, show a dementia that I’m not qualified to diagnose. You project your sickness onto me, and I understand that projection is a mental defect, a weakness at best. This is most obvious, to the most casual observer, when, during the course of your unprovoked, vicious and malicious attack, you have the audacity to call me an “obnoxious asshole.”

Benny, I’m not the one who’s been banned from this site twice already. You have!

Think about it.

Your obvious obsession with me is coming across as mental illness, a neurosis perhaps.

In my comment below, I am not attacking anyone, trash talking, or come across as “obsessive” in any way.  

You, on the other hand, show a dementia that I’m not qualified to diagnose. You project your sickness onto me, and I understand that projection is a mental defect, a weakness at best. This is most obvious, to the most casual observer, when, during the course of your unprovoked, vicious and malicious attack, you have the audacity to call me an “obnoxious asshole.”

Benny, I’m not the one who’s been banned from this site twice already. You have!

Think about it.

To All who post here:

Beware of disagreeing with or posting comments to Victor Tiffany. He has a nasty temper as Documented with his comment to me earlier on another forum.

Victor said:
“I will not stop attacking you; this is about you.
Rhetorically speaking, when s/he spits in my face, I kick him/her in the balls/twat. When s/he punches me in the face, I slit his/her throat. When s/he pulls a knife, I pull the trigger and splatter his/her brains across the entire width of a dime. (Not much to spread.)
If you can’t take the heat, Dillweed, get out of the kitchen.”

Let’s be careful out there folks!

Your odious obsession with dominating every conversation and bullying every dissenter to your “from Olympus” decrees is a neurosis. You never leave any doubt that you are a narcissist bastard.

Damned right you are not qualified to diagnose anyone else – talk about an inmate trying to run the asylum! You are the king of projection, denial, psychosis and paranoia. You have so many mental defects going on in your cranium I am frankly surprised that your head doesn’t fly apart.

Bobby called it spot on – you are an obnoxious asshole, and the biggest one on the planet. Congratulations for achieving that distinction.

As far as being banned, today is not over, you may yet be locked out. Eventually the admins will have had enough of you and it will be bye-bye for epoxymoron!

He was disqualified in the pumpkin growing contest for showing up with the ugliest pumpkin – attached to his fat neck.

You are correct sir! Victor Tiffany is more disgusting than putrefied pig guts swimming in a vat of rancid whale scat. Is that too harsh? I don’t think so.

Uh, yes, as a matter of fact, the genetic record is pretty clear. We evolved from apes.

I’ll admit I’ve been beaten, but not by a Beckerhead reactionary who puts faith before reason and beliefs before science. We had an enlightenment over 200 years ago, so you’re wayyyyy behind the times with your thinking, such as it is.

The only ones defeated here are the science denialists, i.e., you, Sandie and the master troll: Benny/Bobby. Of course, you’re way too arrogant in your ignorance — like Beck is — to ever even begin to wrap your head around that fact.

But hey, by all means MoveOn. Move on back to the 17th Century and take your sister/lover, Sandie, with you. 

You were not invited here: you followed me here with your incessant and boring stalking/flame war.  An adult would be ashamed, but you clearly are not mature or capable of shame.

SoThere, down under here, represents the triumph of ignorance trumpeted by Glenn Beck and other reactionaries.

It’s astounding how much Fox/Beck has dumbed people down, but that’s what convincing propaganda will achieve.

Hopefully people in Washington will never listen to his nonsense, although we are already in for a rough couple of hundred years or more just with the CO2 levels we have now.

You still pushing that junk science around? If we keep on with the agenda of liberals our descendants will be slaves to the IRS. You are just plain nuts and no one is listening, hurricane Victoria.

Actually it is the leftists that use the leftist scare tactic.

I never closed mine and I can plainly see that you are WRONG.

Now that speaks volumes about your assertions while confirming you are another left wing bubble head.
Any supporting evidence for your argument of MMGW would suffice but you have provided none, hence you are mentally bankrupt.

This idiot FreeCommonSense never did come up with anything other than insults and slide remarks to justify his point of view. He’s a brainwashed idiot spewing leftist talking points and rhetoric.

A typical Liberal.

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QUIT STALKING ME YOU PERVERT.

Talking about YOUR projection of YOUR character flaws on people who comment on these forums?

Yes, dimwit, I’m calling you an obnoxiuos asshole. Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

Dammit, VicTROLLa, no one is obsessed with you. No one but you is that sick. You make me puke just typing your name. The one with the obsession here is you. Your hard on for Beck has been well documented. For the last time, I don’t like flaming queens. So quit hitting on me.

Get help for your delusional paranoia. While your at it, figure out who and what you are before throwing people’s names around with your lies and threats.

QUIT STALKING ME YOU PERVERT.

Dad…he’s not a king, he’s a Queen, a Flaming Queen. It’s obvious the way he sashay’s his squirrelly butt around these forums obsessing over Beck.

No, it’s not too harsh. But I get the same nauseous reaction reading your discription of him as I do when his comments show up after I post.

Posting to yourself will put you under my radar but that’s what cowards do.  People are rejecting the false science that the leftists have been spewing for two decades now.  According to their first predictions, New York city is under 12 feet of water and Florida doesn’t exist anymore.  

Most of the people in the world have died and the rest of us are living in caves eating each others flesh.

I would say that those so-called scientists were terribly wrong about our future.

Their predictions then and their predictions now are based on flawed computer programs that were written to show the preconceived outcome that they were looking for.

I’m not buying it because of nothing other than their lies and stupid predictions of doom and gloom that never came to fruition and more and more scientists are agreeing with me.

Why would I believe anything you post anyway, you’re a sick, hateful, libelous freak who is in need of immediate medical professional psychiatric help.

“TMP”

Victor Tiffany 43 minutes ago in reply to doodaddio

“Uh, yes, as a matter of fact, the genetic record is pretty clear. We evolved from apes.”Well where is the bridge species that proves that? Anthropologists and Paleontologists have been trying to unravel that mystery for years and have not proved it yet. Looking at you, however presents a compelling case, or it proves you are merely a shaved gorilla.

“I’ll admit I’ve been beaten, but not by a Beckerhead reactionary who puts
faith before reason and beliefs before science. We had an enlightenment
over 200 years ago, so you’re wayyyyy behind the times with your
thinking, such as it is.”

You have no idea what I believe or think because you made your “imperial” decision months ago absent of any fact or conversation with me. You just bully people and I have an extreme dislike for bullies, hence my stance against you. That is a sure sign of NPD buddy, so own it.

Your quaint notions regarding tucking history into your attempts to buffalo me are a laugh. You still insist I support Beck without a shred of evidence to back you up, proving once again you are a narcissist and an idiot. The only thing in that paragraph I agree with is the part, “I’ll admit I’ve been beaten,”…  Yes and by many who are better people than you.

“The only ones defeated here are the science denialists, i.e., you, Sandie and the master troll: Benny/Bobby. Of course, you’re way too arrogant in your ignorance — like Beck is –
to ever even begin to wrap your head around that fact.”

You are the science denialist – Edward Teller and 31,000 other scientists say so here:http://www.petitionproject.org/

“But hey, by all means MoveOn. Move on back to the 17th Century and take your sister/lover, Sandie, with you. ”

That is so lame that it is weak even for you. You just make associations that only you could possibly believe in an effort to appear smarter than you are. All you accomplish by that is demonstrating what a delusional fool you are.

“You were not invited here: you followed me here with your incessant and
boring stalking/flame war.  An adult would be ashamed, but you clearly
are not mature or capable of shame.”

This is a PUBLIC INTERNET FORUM and not your personal property you narcissistic queen! Mediaite did not invite you here either, but I will bet they won’t miss you when you are gone – for that matter there are a whole host of people who fit in that category.

You have no business speaking as if you were an adult, but you shame yourself by writing your UnaBeckHate manifesto here and elsewhere on the internet.Proof positive you are the original Epoxymoron and you are:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAlNrtcPCLw

Lol since my remark it was rejected I have the bookmarks here. Was just curious to see if you were able to get further than the one article you quote obsessively.  Crickets.

As I said I took the time to look at the information I could find. Spencer´s study is that bad that Kevin Trenbarth said:  “I cannot believe it got published,”  a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research.

Kevin Trenberth:

Kevin E. Trenberth is head of the Climate Analysis Section at the USA National Center for Atmospheric Research.[2] He was a lead author of the 2001 and 2007 IPCC Scientific Assessment of Climate Change (see IPCC Fourth Assessment Report) and serves on the Scientific Steering Group for the Climate Variability and Predictability (CLIVAR) program. In addition, he serves on the Joint Scientific Committee of the World Climate Research Programme, and has made significant contributions to research into El Niño-Southern Oscillation.

He was made an Honorary Fellow of the Royal Society of New Zealand in 2000, awarded the Jule G. Charney Award from the American Meteorological Society and the NCAR Distinguished Achievement Award in 2003.

Yeah, I already can hear he´s a lefty, liberal, communist fraud….

Spencer´s study got dismissed. Detailed and substantial critic of his
study with purely scientific arguments can be found via google for
anyone who is taking the time to find and read it.  And of course who is able to use google.

I’ve noticed how he groups a number of us together in his insults. I know I’m in good company! But have you ever seen anyone link their name to his? hmmmm wonder why that is?

Victorrhea…the lone ranger trolling through archives stalking and preying upon his victims while he only imagines being bigger than a pissant, smarter than a paramecium and as famous as dirt. He is nothing and always will be nothing.

All mouth, no action. Shooting blanks in the dark….

Still you present no verifiable data. I’ve read hundreds of articles including those in expatpatriot’s Wiki post. None of it proves anything except that the IPCC and the UN have a tremendous influence over those Scientist who don’t want to lose their Government funding.

I’ve read reports from NASA where they admit that their DATA from their satellites was faulty. I then referenced the quoted DATA in the IPCC reports and they are still using the faulty DATA. They refuse to correct their reports. expatpatriot’s Wiki information did have some very interesting articles and opinions in it, many of which I have already read. Some I agreed with and some were obviously bias and slanted opinions.

I’m not new to this and I’ve had my eyes wide open for quite some time. I’m not surprised that Kevin E. Trenberth said what he said. He’s an IPCC croney. Spencer has impressive credentials also and he was the person who NASA paid to analyze the satellite DATA.

Don’t give me the Google insult because that’s just a childish dodge that liberals like you like to throw out at people. I was researching this stuff before there was a Google site.

Here’s a few areas that Iv’e studied before deciding that it’s all a hoax.

Sea surface temperatures and how they’re measured.

Weather satellites and their method of measuring temperatures in the sea since 1967.

Regional variations and El Nino.

Air mass, Numerical weather prediction, and Precipitation (meteorology)

Atlantic multidecadal oscillation. (Schlesinger and Ramankutty )

I also studied fluid dynamics when one of your MMGW experts claimed that when the Polar Ice Cap melts the seas will rise 12 feet. He was serious.

That’s just for starters.

I have friends who do research at Woods Hole and one who spent a year at McMurdo Station. Did you know that the Antarctic is actually getting colder.

So you see, the information is out there and so is the DATA that shows MMGW has not been proven to be fact. It’s just opinions based on computer models that even the IPCC has admitted that they were flawed. You can make a computer model predict anything you want it to just by changing its parameters which is what IPCC has done. More and more Scientists are speaking out against the MMGW theory (after all it’s just a theory) to the tune of 10′s of thousands. All with impressive Scientific credentials.

Sorry, my eyes are wide open and liberal insults from people like you are just childish.

I’m a liberals worst nightmare, an educated Conservative.

“TMP”

Don´t flatter yourself. I most certainly have nothing against an educated, well informed person.

The argument between you and me is Spencer´s study. You take it as right. I tell you it´s been rejected and since you are still not…in the mood to search and look at the critic of his paper here´s a nice link.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/roy-spencer-negative-feedback-climate-sensitivity-advanced.htm

And what is so difficult to understand that nobody is denying it is a theory. Nobody.

Tell you what, I am very skeptical if I will see the day that all doubts will be removed and every question about the theory will be answered.

I will tell you also it doesn´t matter anymore.

Realistically, America is the only country of the first world where climate change/MMGW is a matter of controversy. Coincidence?

Whole Europe, including conservative governments, is behind it and also the Chinese have jumped on the train aiming at the next step in their economical development. They sell solar power systems, ffs.

Like it or not, the 21st century is the century of green technologies and clean energy. That´s where the big bucks and the jobs are. Any country not fit for competing on this gigantic market will experience a dramatic loss of economical power and be hopelessly behind in sophisticated manufacturing. This is happening as we speak. Doesn´t look good for us.

Not exactly what I find a good outlook for this country.

And really who could have anything against less pollution and less dependency on oil? So if AGW turns out to be wrong (more unlikely than likely imho) with the population of the earth steadily growing it is a necessity to be more energy efficient and more environmental friendly.

Spencer’s report was just one of the many reasons for my opinion that MMGW is a hoax. Move on, you’re boring the hell out of me. I’ve the reports of those who opposed Spencers report. I wasn’t impressed nor was I surprised. I’m not that dumb.

I have no problems with Green Technology except for turning a food source into an inefficient fuel when so many people in this world are starving from a lack of food. I’m not against having less pollution, I been on the clean air bandwagon for decades. I was a staunch proponent of surfer scrubbers in power plants.

“If America is the only country of the first world where climate change/MMGW is a matter of controversy.”

Not true. Many of the countries that attended the last Global Warming conference refused to sign on to the restrictions.

So you fail to present any verifiable DATA proving that MMGW is more than a computer generated theory.

Instead you chose to preach to me about other subjects that you have unjustly thought I was against.

“So if AGW turns out to be wrong (more unlikely than likely imho) with the population of the earth steadily growing it is a necessity to be more energy efficient and more environmental friendly.”

I like it, you admit that your posts are just your opinion and I might just be correct in my opinions is a start.

So far all the predictions of doom and gloom (there have been so many over the past 2 decades) have proven to be wrong.

You also admit that there is big bucks in promoting MMGW to further the development of alternative energy. There’s nothing new in that thought process, I lived through the energy crisis of the 70′s and those same augments were floated then as they are now.

Thanks for your reply, have a nice night.

“TMP”

Something about your favorite scientist Keven Trenberth.

Physicist warns of Kevin Trenberth’s ‘attempt to change the rules of science’ as a ‘back-door means of bolstering UN IPCC’s diminishing credibility’

Read all about him.

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/9433/Physicist-warns-of-Kevin-Trenberths-attempt-to-change-the-rules-of-science-as-a-backdoor-means-of-bolstering-UN-IPCCs-diminishing-credibility

“TMP”

Victor,
You are caught in another lie. I am not a prison guard. To guard something I would have to be armed with a firearm, I do not carry a firearm, thus I am not a prison guard but a Correctional Officer.Victor,If 90+% of Scientist agree with Anthropogenic Global Warming, then why does the U.S. Senate Minority report claim that 700 Scientist disagree with the UN IPCC ( a group of 57 Scientists)? Last time I checked 700 was thirteen times larger than 52, so the science is not settled. It is a theory only that was proven so wrong that they had to rename it to “climate change”.http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9“A canvass of more than 51,000 scientists with the Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists and Geophysicists of Alberta (APEGGA) found 68% of them disagree with the statement that ‘the debate on the scientific causes of recent climate change is settled.”" http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=865DBE39-802A-23AD-4949-EE9098538277http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=1d688937-54b7-48f4-a4be-d6979dada5df&k=65311If 68% of Canadian Scientist disagree with global warming, exactly how are you going to get to 90+% of world scientist agreeing? Not even the Senate agreed with you Victor in 2009, it must suck to be so wrong, and declare so many lies.What about 2010? Not looking good for you in 2010 Victor, the number had risen to 1000 Scientist that disagree with Global warming. http://hw.libsyn.com/p/b/f/6/bf663fd2376ffeca/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf?sid=c0a082eca65a23c8c1720f504a4f9826&l_sid=27695&l_eid=&l_mid=2336201How about 69% of the public thinks that Global warming research was falsified earlier this month? http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=9a6a2069-802a-23ad-4608-6c1603803849&Issue_id=How about the fact that NASA data puts the rest of the data used in question?http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=9a6a2069-802a-23ad-4608-6c1603803849&Issue_id=The UK Guardian reported that 31,000 scientists signed a petition denying global warming in 2008.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/2053842/Scientists-sign-petition-denying-man-made-global-warming.htmlOh and Victor, the IPCC claims it is only 90% likely that human activity causes global warming.
So who seem to be misinformed Victor. Apparently not me a Doodadio.

Don’t let the door hit him in the butt on his way out!

Judging from his spelling of sceptic, he is in the UK. Common sense there went out the window ages ago. (It started diminishing some time after Churchill, took a brief pause with Thatcher and rapidly declined after that.)

I think it was beer reviewed. He is citing East Anglia University and the UK is in the tank on MMGW – that is where a majority of the “science” comes from. Incidentally the main conspirator who was pushing this hoax was discredited some time ago as manipulating data and making famous his “Hockey Stick Curve”, graph.

More junk science alarm-ism from the home of the biggest hoax since Y2K.

That, or he can’t spell.

We just don’t believe in manipulated data and a conspiracy to commit fraud on the human race by some left wing bubble heads. The whole thing blew up in the face of Al Gore and you guys still deny that. Now you bring it up again thinking people have forgotten what happened but there are some of us who just don’t like to be lied to by people with a self-serving motive.

The only thing government can do is get in the way of progress. Their meddling in things they don’t know about results in stupid regulations and do nothing policies. Regulate green house gases? You mean lower atmospheric levels of CO2? Why do you want to hurt the vegetation that relies on it to live and gives us the oxygen we need to live? It has never been proven that CO2 is poisonous, nor that it causes the climate to change.

What will change the climate is the shifting of the earth’s axis from it’s present orientation – this has happened many times in geologic history, the most recent being the Ice Age that preceded mankind’s civilization of this planet. It is long overdue and some time it will happen again. The effect of this shift will be dramatic and the onset will be rapid. There’s your global climate change and nothing man can do will alter it or limit it – especially by policies to regulate the climate.

Climate change happens on a daily basis. It always has and always will and the puny activities of the human race does not affect it. The most powerful force we command as human beings is that of thermonuclear weapons. Many of these have been test detonated as recent as the early 1960′s, but guess what – no dramatic change in the climate. People that assume we have enough power to affect the climate may as well believe that we can affect the rotation of the planet by jumping up and down simultaneously.

Believing in human activity affecting climate is like believing that the local ant colony can cause enough vibration in the ground to make waves in a nearby pond. It is patently absurd, and junk science. It has been proven that it was all started by environmentalists and other activists in the scientific community who conspired to present this as truth. Remember the smoking gun – the email that was discovered that proved the whole thing was a hoax -  http://noworldsystem.com/2009/11/23/leaked-emails-prove-global-warming-is-a-hoax/

“A hacker has leaked thousands of emails and
documents from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University that
appear to show how climate change data was fudged and the peer review
process skewed to favor the manmade climate change hypothesis.The link to the data appears to have been posted to a number of
climate science websites yesterday by an anonymous hacker or insider
going by the name “FOIA,” an apparent allusion to the Freedom of
Information Act in the United States. One of the first sites where the
62 MB file was posted was The Air Vent. It was soon picked up by Watts Up With That, Climate Audit and other climate science sites.
The information contained in the leaked emails and documents are as
shocking as they are damning of the scientists who have been most vocal
about the manmade global warming scare. Some of the excerpts include this email,
from one of the world’s leading climate scientists, Phil Jones writing
to colleagues about graphs showing climate statistics over the last
millennium. He alludes to a technique used by a fellow scientist Michael
Mann of “Mann’s hockey stick” fame to “hide the decline” in recent
global temperatures. The recent global temperatures show a halt in a
rise of global temperatures from about 1960, but Jones ADMITS in this
excerpt that he replaced the real global temperatures with Mann’s
“hockey-stick” up-slope to fit their climate change viewpoints.:
I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real
temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd
from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.
In another email from Phil Jones to climate scientist Michael Mann
about ousting academics that question the link between human activities
and global warming out of any peer-reviewed IPCC reports.:
“I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report,” Jones writes. “Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!””The rest of the article is at the URL posted above – http://noworldsystem.com/2009/11/23/leaked-emails-prove-global-warming-is-a-hoax/

It’s time for this thing to be buried again and left buried.

It’s not 98% it is tiny now especially when more REAL scientist who are not on government grants are tipping the scale to the opposite. It is no longer thought to be MMGW and it is now known that CO2 is more the result than the cause. The very idea that CO2 plays a role in GW in the manner that earlier scientists claimed is contrary to the laws of thermodynamics. I won’t get into the scientific detail as you would never understand it – it is out of your sphere completely so I wouldn’t expect you to understand, but I would expect you to have an open mind and listen to what is being said rather than cling to the failed theories espoused by the left. There are plenty of sources available on the web that refute the IPCC government funded scientists and their faulty cherry picked data and their contrived models.

Victor,  where do you get off saying “The only ones defeated here are the science denialists, i.e., you, Sandie and the master troll:”. You idiot how can I be a science denialis when I studied heavily in the science field? How can I be a science denialist if I have researched the science involved in this MMGW issue? You are showing your idiocy. You say such a thing without any knowledge of my education, interests,  or fields of knowledge.  You are the science denialist because you refuse to even openmindedly look at the latest data, theories, investigation, etc. You are just a pathetic minion  of the left who has been spoon fed their MMGW crap and you cling to it with your ears muffled and your eyes tightly shut. You are unreal. You just keep believing the crap.

Of course my posts are “just opinion”  – just as yours. This site isn´t exactly a platform for scientific articles.

Your opinion is that we MMGW is a hoax as a result of a conspiracy.  That is nothing but an opinion.
If 97% of cancer experts would say smoking causes lung cancer nobody would say it is a conspiracy.

My opinion is that MMGW is the most plausible theory out there based on the support and the research
of the leading experts in this field. There will never be 100% certainty.  And in Europe the theory of MMGW isn´t doubted or a matter of controversy.  It is widely accepted by the public and the scientific communities there. China is part of the consensus though doesn´t want to sign on on restrictions for economical reasons. The Chinese Academy of Science stands with the Royal Society or the Academie des Sciences on this one. 

I agree on the food-fuel problem.

“The model has no realistic ocean, no El Niño, and no hydrological cycle, and it was tuned to give the result it gave”, said my “fav scientist”. Proove him wrong on that. Should be easy for you.

Don’t give me that 97% crap. The topic isn’t smoking. Nice try at changing the subject. It won’t work with me.

I’m not interested in your plausible theory. I’m into proven facts as i keep saying over and over to you people.

I debunked your Leading experts credentials as an IPCC crone. China has rejected this co/2 crap over and over for the past 2 decades, the EU has also rejected it.

Your “fav scientist” is a charlatan.

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/9433/Physicist-warns-of-Kevin-Trenberths-attempt-to-change-the-rules-of-science-as-a-backdoor-means-of-bolstering-UN-IPCCs-diminishing-credibility

You’r boring me again.

“TMP”

Makes you wonder about all those University radicals, doesn’t it? All those 60′s protesters who ‘sat in’ and tried to destroy their respective Admin buildings are the ones that are now seeking grants, writing these ridiculous theories with their ‘compromised’ research and screwing with the minds of the unsuspecting and gullible public. Some concentrate on the climate issues. Some focus on fossil fuels. Some interfere with foreign policies, third world countries, and pogroms in Middle Eastern Countries. Some corrupt this country’s politics, government and Constitution. Who ARE these people? The shadow government? The puppet masters? Pseudo-intellectual liberal professors and mad scientists? Whoever they are, they have a left-wing media propaganda machine working overtime to promote their agenda. To me, THAT is most disturbing.

Nail on the head!

God (a euphemism), this place is filled with idiots.