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Breaking: Helen Thomas Retires, Effective Immediately (Video)

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While it may not be totally unexpected, the story appears to have developed extremely quickly.

Hearst Corporation has announced Helen Thomas will be retiring, effective immediately.

Here’s the full announcement from Hearst:

HELEN THOMAS ANNOUNCES RETIREMENT

WASHINGTON, June 7, 2010 – Helen Thomas announced Monday that she is retiring, effective immediately.

Her decision came after her controversial comments about Israel and the Palestinians were captured on videotape and widely disseminated on the Internet.

Thomas later issued a statement: “I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians. They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon.’’

Thomas will mark her 90th birthday on Aug. 4.

Thomas was not in the briefing room today, when Press Secretary Robert Gibbs called her comments “offensive and reprehensible.”

Update: Video of FNC’s announcement:

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  • ImNotBlue

    I honestly surprised by this. Thomas is the type to see her actions as noble, no matter how rude, inappropriate, or unprofessional they are. We saw that all through the Bush Presidency and Obama Presidency (thus far). I thought for sure, she’d stick to her guns and stay in that seat until they forced her out.

    Oh well… I guess there’s just no place for openly anti-Semitic left-wing advocate bigots in the WH Press Corps.

    Darn?

  • http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

    If it weren’t for the whole New York thing, she could possibly have a second career as a curmudgeon for Colbert.

    Godspeed, Helen. Though this may not be the circumstances under which you envisioned your exit and in their press release, Hearst sort of throws you under the bus, but your services have been appreciated and your retirement, deserved.

  • writer

    A ninety year old person retiring already? This is a tragedy!

  • Liberty – Not Redistribution

    What’s that old saying about building a million bridges?

  • SteveMG

    After having spent more than 40 years covering Washington – and never once breaking a story – Ms. Thomas now retires.

    Let’s hope that her replacement wil be, unlike her, a professional reporter who tries his or her best to leave his or her views outside of the newsroom. We need professional, objective, hard-hitting and hard-working reporters to cover our elected officials. Whether they are Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative. All need to be challenged. Firmly but fairly.

    Unfortunately, we had none of that from Ms. Thomas over the year. Instead we had sloppy reporting, tendentious journalism and biased writing.

    I wish her well in her retirement.

  • Liberty – Not Redistribution

    Just more proof of the hidden bigotry many liberals hold.

  • AmericanCowboy

    I think she should go back to Lebanon

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    Just learn this and your children that your speech maybe use against you. Just don’t offend any one, forget free speech, just tread lightly when it comes to certain topics. Freedom of speech is only in the paper, well until you piss some people up! whala

  • Liberty – Not Redistribution

    Kam Fet says:
    June 7, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    “Just learn this and your children that your speech maybe use against you. Just don’t offend any one, forget free speech, just tread lightly when it comes to certain topics. Freedom of speech is only in the paper, well until you piss some people up! whala”

    What are you talking about? No one is going to throw her in jail, or censor her. Private individuals and private businesses have the right to their beliefs as well. if I don’t like what someone says, either Beck or Thomas, I have the right not to watch their shows or purchase products from their advertisers. This is called free market.

    Now I didn’t agree with what Gibbs had to say because the government should not be making any comments about private individuals, and their constitutionally protected speech.

  • ImNotBlue

    SteveMG says:
    June 7, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    I doubt she’ll be replaced. Who did she write for anyway?

    Kam Fet says:
    June 7, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Yeah, it’s a shame that you’re not allowed to be a bigot, and a reporter.

    Funny, though. I don’t often see you complain that the things said by Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, etc… should be left alone because they’re, “free speech.” Instead, you say the opposite. Interesting. It’s almost like you think there’s a difference between “free speech” on the left… and “free speech” on the right. Almost exactly like that. Hmm.

  • RazorsEdge

    Wow! Helen Thomas news all over the place. I’m reminded of Dan Abrams comment(s) this weekend:

    “I am saying that whatever she says, no matter how horrible, is not particularly newsworthy for the mainstream media.”

    “This story was covered in the places you would expect Howard Kurtz’s CNN show, this site mediabistro and other places that cover about the media but not so much the mainstream media because she is not of great interest to most Americans.”

    Semantics, right? Having the pulse of MSM in the palm of your hand. I read pieces on Thomas remarks on the ‘usual’ MSM locations this weekend and now with BIG red bold letters on MSM locations with her announced retirement over the comments. Indeed!

  • RichS

    Kam Fet says:
    June 7, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    Just learn this and your children that your speech maybe use against you. Just don’t offend any one, forget free speech, just tread lightly when it comes to certain topics. Freedom of speech is only in the paper, well until you piss some people up! whala

    She has, had and will continue to have freedom of speech. The government is not arresting her, she no longer has her job. We don’t know why, but can surely suspect it was connected with her “foot in the mouth” disease. Try understanding that the US Constitution is a series of restrictions on the powers of governement and a partial enumeration of the liberties enjoyed by the citizens.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    @RichS
    The Government are not restricting speech, but individual groups threat of boycott is making people timid. Remember the Beck issue as well, all in the same category, KEEP COUNT.

  • TylerDurden

    On the bright side, she can now take her hate to MSNBC, HP, Media Matters, Dailykos or Al Jazeera.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Juanita-Stewart/1330738383 Juanita Stewart

    She should have retired many years ago!

  • http://www.sodahead.com/user/profile/1153279/texas_democrat_06/ WhoIsTheRealRoyalKing

    What is the difference between The Real Royal King aka Bovine and Helen thomas

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwod4cfjkuA

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    @ImNotBlue
    Again, you speak without fact. Check my previous post when I had stated the similarities to the Beck issue. Ask (Liberty – Not Redistribution), we’d been through this already. Don’t put me in a left/right box, am not restricted. I’d speak to what’s wrong and support what I think its right. I’m not an ideologue.

  • TylerDurden

    Kam Fet says:
    June 7, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Just learn this and your children that your speech maybe use against you. Just don’t offend any one, forget free speech, just tread lightly when it comes to certain topics. Freedom of speech is only in the paper, well until you piss some people up! whala”

    Yes, I saw what the left did to Ran Paul and are now trying to do to those in AZ.

  • AmericanCowboy

    The headline should read: Helen Thomas retires in complete disgrace.

  • TylerDurden

    AmericanCowboy says:
    June 7, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    The headline should read: Helen Thomas retires in complete disgrace.”

    The headline should read “Helen Thomas; Fired Beyond Recognition”

  • writer

    It’s said that ninety is the new eighty-seven.

  • ImNotBlue

    Kam Fet says:
    June 7, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    @ImNotBlue
    Again, you speak without fact. Check my previous post when I had stated the similarities to the Beck issue.

    What previous post? That was your first post in this thread.

    Don’t put me in a left/right box, am not restricted. I’d speak to what’s wrong and support what I think its right. I’m not an ideologue.

    No, you just happen to always support the left-wing position, and attack the right. You’re not an ideologue… just really really consistent. Right?

  • Liberty – Not Redistribution

    Interesting point Kam. The intimidation you talk of is called Political Correctness. If one does not adhere to it, they are summarily ostracized. While it is not as bad as it once was, it is still an issues that threatens individuals. The only place we can really ensure that this does not violates someone’s personal liberty is by ensuring that the government, at all levels, stays out of the free speech arena. When government sticks their powerful nose where it does not belong, you start having “Human Rights” commissions such as those in Canada.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    @ImNotBlue
    I wish you could comprehend more, previous post on similar topics. At least if you couldn’t find it here, you could have think for a moment that it might be another thread. Gash man, common, getting embarrassing now don’t think?

    So assume you are a right winger then? anyway, I won’t put a label on you, unless you do it yourself.

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    Helen Thomas was a Palin, Bush, Reagan and Jew hater, just like RRK, Ted, BFD and Rox. They are the same as Thomas and they should take the hint and go away too.

  • stoogedudes

    Writer says:

    “A ninety year old person retiring already? This is a tragedy!”

    I laughed out loud when I read that. I agree…she’s 90!

    I wonder why this is a retirement and not a resignation. I guess it’s the same, sort of, but retirements are more of a celebration for a lot of people, and no one is celebrating (or should be, anyway) what Helen Thomas said.

  • TylerDurden

    Comments from the liberal bigots at HP:

    ” So this is what happens when one speaks the truth? Yeesh.”

    “Helen Thomas served this nation better than 99% of the politicians she grilled.”

    “Cheers to Helen Thomas for for speaking the truth!!! Israel should get the **** out of Plaestine and take thier boot off the neck of the people there. ”

    “What did Helen say that was so egregious?”

    “I actually support most of her comments”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    @Liberty – Not Redistribution
    So what happens in regards to corporations? isn’t that when the FCC comes in ()Fairness Doctrine)!

  • The Real Royal King

    A very good call, Ms. Thomas.

    Let the buzzards begin feeding.

  • stoogedudes

    TylerDurden says:
    June 7, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    As I said, no one should be celebrating what she said. Yes, there are some posters at HP that go too far and those that you quote should be ashamed of themselves for condoning and agreeing with her comments, because, as I said, what Thomas said is indeed reprehensible.

    I love Huffington Post, but there can be some wackos that comment on there.

  • Liberty – Not Redistribution

    Corporations are not governments. The government has no business dictating any speech from private companies or individuals. The “Fairness Doctrine” runs counter to my beliefs. The government has no business telling a broadcasting company what it can and can’t air. Who is to decide what is fair and what is not fair. The government needs to stay out of speech, and the press.

  • MichelleF

    RazorsEdge says:
    June 7, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    Wow! Helen Thomas news all over the place. I’m reminded of Dan Abrams comment(s) this weekend:

    “I am saying that whatever she says, no matter how horrible, is not particularly newsworthy for the mainstream media.”

    “This story was covered in the places you would expect Howard Kurtz’s CNN show, this site mediabistro and other places that cover about the media but not so much the mainstream media because she is not of great interest to most Americans.”

    Semantics, right? Having the pulse of MSM in the palm of your hand. I read pieces on Thomas remarks on the ‘usual’ MSM locations this weekend and now with BIG red bold letters on MSM locations with her announced retirement over the comments. Indeed!

    You beat me to it Razor. If Dan had his way, she’d still be there because no one would know what she said.

  • writer

    “Let the buzzards begin feeding.”

    Despite appearances, she IS still alive.

  • TylerDurden

    MichelleF says:
    June 7, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    RazorsEdge says:
    June 7, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    Wow! Helen Thomas news all over the place. I’m reminded of Dan Abrams comment(s) this weekend:

    “I am saying that whatever she says, no matter how horrible, is not particularly newsworthy for the mainstream media.”

    “This story was covered in the places you would expect Howard Kurtz’s CNN show, this site mediabistro and other places that cover about the media but not so much the mainstream media because she is not of great interest to most Americans.”

    That was typical lib spin!

  • aimlowjoe

    Is she retiring to Israel? Seriously, anyone still working past 65 please retire immediately. We need to bring the unemployment rate down!
    Aimlow Joe was here.
    http://www.aimlow.com

  • ImNotBlue

    Kam Fet says:
    June 7, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    You expect me to comb through this site to find the “previous comment” you’re talking about? Really?

    So assume you are a right winger then? anyway, I won’t put a label on you, unless you do it yourself.

    I stand right-of-center on most issues… but not all, if that works for you.

  • TylerDurden

    So assume you are a right winger then? anyway, I won’t put a label on you, unless you do it yourself.

    I stand right-of-center on most issues… but not all, if that works for you.”

    What’s so funny is that I admit that I am a conservative, but so many libs come here and refuse to call themselves liberals. But I do understand their shame.

  • felixw

    Maybe she can get a job as press secretary for Ahmadinejad.

  • stoogedudes

    TylerDurden says:
    June 7, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Well, let me be one for the record to say it then:

    I’m (proudly) a liberal. Not that it’s a secret, but there you have it.

  • TylerDurden

    Congrats Stooge!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    @ImNotBlue
    Ok, it works for me as whatever you choose to describe yourself . Fine with me, just because we don’t see eye to eye on some issues doesn’t mean I’m opposite you or a lefty. But, its a free world,if you choose to call me that.

  • pastol

    Everyone ignores the fact that Thomas was not submitting her opinion as fact. She was simply stating an opinion. She is not running for office. Her opinions don’t mean squat. What is the big deal? When Rush and Beck state lies as fact, that is a different situation. And they both do so frequently. When Beck calls a rivals wife immediately after she has a miscarriage and laughs at her and her husband on air, that is more than opinion. When a man running for office states an opinion about a law, that is an important aspect to voters who are looking for exactly that to determine who they will vote for. The statement Thomas made does not reflect the opinions held by all liberals. I am a liberal and I find her opinion appalling. But so what? Can someone, anyone point out any reporting that she has done that reflects her opinion instead of the facts? Show me that and I’ll probably change my mind. Until then, this hole brouhaha is a sham.

  • TylerDurden

    Oh, and stooge, were you the lib who was downtown wearing a sandwich board that said “I will not work for food” ?

  • TylerDurden

    pastol says:
    June 7, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Everyone ignores the fact that Thomas was not submitting her opinion as fact. ”

    Tell that to Don Imus, Michael Richards, Mel Gibson,etc.

  • Liberty – Not Redistribution

    pastol,

    Good job trying to divert, distract and distort this away from the angry and intolerant HT.

  • stoogedudes

    TylerDurden says:
    June 7, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    “Congrats Stooge!”

    LOL! I’d have it printed on a shirt, but where I’m from, it wouldn’t go over well with those in the community. Not that I’m ashamed, but if I’m in a grocery store I don’t want to have an argument with a conservative over my shirt. I’m just there to pick up some baby carrots and a 12 pack of Keystone.

    Oooh…looks like we’re getting off -topic….

    Helen Thomas…she’s so OLD and DEMENTED!

  • writer

    Limbaugh and Beck are doing opinion shows, not newscasts. The left says they’re ‘lying’ because they disagree with the opinions. That free speech thing is a bitch.

  • The Real Royal King

    Pastol:

    I was listening to NPR at Noon/US CDST, and the reporter mention Ms. Thomas’ resignation after controversial comments about Israel. Even NPR can’t seem to get the point straight, Ms. Thomas’ offensive comments about Jews led to her resignation. If NPR can’t get this right, how can we expect CNN to do so? And, FOX? That’s a laugh.

    You bigger point, that advocacy journalism seems to have become the standard for being people, is true, and it has a very dangerous corollary. Everything you say is seen as advocating a position. It’s all ridiculous, and what Murdoch did to destroy journalism in Australia and the UK (which is now making a comeback of sorts since he has been neutered there), he is now doing in America. Folks: ADVOCACY JOURNALISM IS NOT JOURNALISM.

    Buy gold.
    Use gold to buy seeds.

  • stoogedudes

    TylerDurden says:
    June 7, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    “Oh, and stooge, were you the lib who was downtown wearing a sandwich board that said “I will not work for food” ?”

    Kinda…it actually said “I will work for food”, but when I went to use the restroom, some conservative painted a “not” on it! Silly conservative. Who walks around with a can of paint and a paintbrush to vandalize sandwich boards??

  • The Real Royal King

    writer says:
    June 7, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Limbaugh and Beck are doing opinion shows, not newscasts.

    They say they are, every time they get in trouble. Otherwise, not so much.

  • TylerDurden

    The Real Royal King says:
    June 7, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    writer says:
    June 7, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Limbaugh and Beck are doing opinion shows, not newscasts.

    They say they are, every time they get in trouble. Otherwise, not so much.”

    I have never heard them call themselves newscasters.

  • writer

    Neither has ever claimed he’s doing the news. That damned first amendment again!

  • Ination

    TylerDurden says:
    June 7, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    “I have never heard them call themselves newscasters.”

    That’s because they haven’t. People like to think they do because they are incredibly popular and talk politics but no, they don’t.

  • Bunny

    Dontcha just hate when there is a public announcement following a scandal that a person is “retiring, effective immediately” — as if the decision to leave employment is a voluntary one? Regardless whether they outright can you or “allow” you to retire, the reality is the same — you’ve been fired!

    I think if I were the “retiree” in a situation like that, I’d be more embarrassed by that totally transparent language than by an announcement that I’d been fired. Maybe there’s a reduction in severance — I mean “retirement” — benefits if one leaves “voluntarily” vs. being technically fired.

    On another note, one of my childhood storybooks contained the tale of Hansel and Gretel. The illustration of one of the characters bears an uncanny resemblance to HT. I think that’s part of the reason she’s always given me the creeps!

  • TylerDurden

    Bunny says:
    June 7, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Dontcha just hate when there is a public announcement following a scandal that a person is “retiring, effective immediately” — as if the decision to leave employment is a voluntary one? ”

    You would have thought they could have at least said”Helen has decided to spend more time with her family during their formative years.”

  • BowenIsland

    Here is Ms. Thomas in her own words :

    Helen Thomas Defends Being A Liberal On Fox Business
    by Glynnis MacNicol | 5:43 pm, April 28th, 2010

    “I am a columnist. I’m an opinion columnist and I have the right to show my opinion. And I am a liberal…and I would say I am as far as you can go.”

    As Glynnis says , “Not a lot of wiggle room there ! “

  • http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

    @BowenIsland: Thanks. She has been an opinion columnist since leaving UPI.

  • http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

    …which is why I assume she wasn’t a member of the WHCA. Though, I could be wrong.

  • sarainitaly

    Wow, I leave for a few hours to do some errands and all hello goes wild.

    Not only were her comments offensive, and even hitler-esque in nature (round up the Jews and ship them out), but her comments put the Obama administration in a very uncomfortable spot, IMHO. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a hand in her forced retirement.

    They either had to come out strong against her comments, and take some action, or reap a mountain of hurt, no doubt, from the Jewish community. How could they have allowed her to retain her coveted spot, and not completely lose the Jewish community. And no doubt their condemnation of her comments will cause some outrage on the other side, thus undoing any progress he perhaps has made on trying to walk that thin line between the two countries/viewpoints.

    So…not only did she do herself no favors, she, (again, in my opinion) put the Obama administration in a not so pleasant position as well. But good on Gibbs for calling them what they were.

  • BowenIsland

    @ Magister

    I will quote SteveMG ,

    “Unfortunately, we had none of that from Ms. Thomas over the year. Instead we had sloppy reporting, tendentious journalism and biased writing. ”

    Direct and to the point !

  • MichelleF
  • The Real Royal King

    Ms. Thomas’ comments were her own, and there are no coattails involved in this. The Obama Administration suffered nothing from this, nor did the Washington Post. Sorry, no conspiracies here.

    http://publicintellectual.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tin-foil-hat.jpg

  • Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers

    So Mike Huckaabee– a Biblical whack– gets to suggest that the Palestinians ( who were forced to flee their home due to Jewish aggression) should move “elsewhere” , but others cannot suggest the Jews go elsewhere?

    Sorry, but that is disgusting double standard.

  • valkyrie101

    So those on the right wish to set the precedent that anyone, or at least any media or political person, who utters a racist or anti-semetic comment, must be forced to resign? So much for those libertarian values. LOL.

  • valkyrie101

    Rush Limbaugh should be jumping to Helen’s defense.

  • TylerDurden

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 7, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Rush Limbaugh should be jumping to Helen’s defense.”

    No other bigoted liberals should be jumping to her defense, like Don Lemon of CNN.

    “Lemon lauded her in his first question to Fleischer: “Helen Thomas has broken down many barriers for women….She has a lifelong achievement…in journalism. Should that count for anything?”

  • Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers

    Speaking of Libertarian values, did you hear that Rand Paul says smoking in a restaurant is a “god given liberty”.

    What l don’t understand about that stupid comment is I thought Libertarians believed it was the right of the individual business owner to determine if smoking is allowed in his establishment (not to mention whether blacks are allowed inside).

  • The Real Royal King

    I think, FN:WPPTT, that might fall into that anarchist v. libertarian lecture we got last week.

  • Bunny

    I’ve noticed on a lot of sites there’s been complaining that HT’s right to freedom of speech has been violated. It actually hasn’t. She (and all of us) are free to say anything we want, but if we’re in the public arena or the comments are made in the context of an employment position — or if your in-laws are just lookin for a reason to jump on you anyway — there may be fallout!

    Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from judgment and/or societal, employment or familial repercussions. It might be harder to see that when one is sympathetic to the remarks made (or if you are simply not offended), but the principle applies regardless the subjective merit of the comment :

    If you’re in the public eye and enough people are offended; if you’ve made the comment in context of employment and a coworker, customer or employer is offended; if you dissed the mother-in-law’s meatloaf and she’s offended — you won’t always get a free pass (even if most of the family agree that MIL is a horrible cook!).

    I don’t know whether Thomas should have been fired from writing her opinion column, but I do believe that losing her seat in the WH press room is appropriate. She really shouldn’t be there anyway since she is no longer a reporter, per se, but an opinion columnist. Opinion columnists or commentators have no business getting a seat in that small, elite group of actual news reporters.

  • valkyrie101

    Again, Tyler, you spit in the face of liberty. I am agreeing that it is appropriate to condemn what she said, but her right to say it must be preserved.

  • valkyrie101

    For the same reason we tolerated Strom Thurmond we have tolerated Thomas.

  • ImNotBlue

    Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers says:
    June 7, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    So Mike Huckaabee– a Biblical whack– gets to suggest that the Palestinians ( who were forced to flee their home due to Jewish aggression) should move “elsewhere” , but others cannot suggest the Jews go elsewhere?

    Ignoring what Proudly says (because it’s dumb)… let’s take a look at something interesting in what he/she said:

    We already know the White House is adverse to saying, “Islamic terrorist,” or “Muslim extremist,” because (as Alan Colmes said on O’Reilly) they’re not really a member of that religion, just a perversion of the religion, so why associate them with that religion at all? Eric Holder did his best dance to get around saying, “Muslim” or “Islam,” and was called out for it.

    However, compare this to what Proudly wrote, and you’ll see something interesting. Apparently, it’s more acceptable to say, “Jewish” and attach the “Jewish people.” Forget that Israel is made up of many different people of all different religions, notice that the fear of offending other members of the religion is somehow nonexistent. Notice how Proudly isn’t afraid that by saying “Jews” he/she’ll use the religion to describe only a few, and cause a “negative backlash” against a religious group (isn’t that what we’ve heard from the media for years?).

    Let’s watch in the next few days how the WH addresses this (if at all). Will they painstakingly avoid saying “Jewish” or “Jew,” like they do for “Muslim?” Or will they, like Proudly, reverse course on their “political correctness?”

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 7, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    So much for those libertarian values. LOL.

    Is there something you don’t understand about the difference between Government control, and free market control? There is no contradiction… you apparently just don’t get the concept.

    The free market caused Thomas to resign… not the government. That’s Libertarianism at work.

    Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers says:
    June 7, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Speaking of Libertarian values, did you hear that Rand Paul says smoking in a restaurant is a “god given liberty”.

    Yet again… where smoking bans have come into force, it’s the government mandating it. Paul is against that. I’m sure if asked whether or not an owner has the right to make that decision him/herself… he’d agree. It’s free market, versus government control.

    I’m not sure if you and Val really don’t get the whole Libertarianism philosophy… or are simply playing dumb, hoping nobody else notices.

  • ImNotBlue

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 7, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Again, Tyler, you spit in the face of liberty. I am agreeing that it is appropriate to condemn what she said, but her right to say it must be preserved.

    Wow me, Val…

    Who is it that’s denying Thomas’s right of free speech?

  • TylerDurden

    alkyrie101 says:
    June 7, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Again, Tyler, you spit in the face of liberty.”

    Total lie. She can say whatever she wants to and people can respond to those comments.

    And tell that to Imus, Mel Gibson, Donnie Deutsch,etc.

  • valkyrie101

    Blue,
    Dude, I said nothing about government control or government prohibition of Thomas’ liberty of free speech. I am suggesting that pressuring her to resign or firing her is a spit in the face of the notion that people are permitted have controversial opinions. Pat Buchanan is a gem precisely because he says some of the rude things that people think but do not say.

  • valkyrie101

    Once the rude things are said, expressed, then they can be dealt with. Thomas meerly voiced a kind anti-Jewish sentiment that has existed and manifested its ugly head for at least a couple thousand yesrs. Expression preceeds resolution. Let’s begin by agreeing that Thomas was wrong, and go from there.

  • ImNotBlue

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 7, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Well, in that case you’re wrong… too.

    Did you disagree with the Glenn Beck boycotts? Did you think that those folks don’t have a right to try to get him off the air?

    Freedom of speech means you’re allowed to say what you want. It doesn’t mean you get a microphone to air those opinions. Nobody is saying Thomas can’t have this opinion, or profess it to all who will listen. They are saying, however, that they don’t believe she should be given a public platform to express that opinion, and they’re certainly not going to pay to hear it.

    Freedom of speech does not mean you have to listen.

  • TylerDurden

    valk, employers terminate people everyday for a variety of reasons, including speech that the e employer finds inappropriate. In fact some have been fired for what they wrote on FB. Watch out!

  • valkyrie101

    Blue,
    I love Glenn Beck. I certainly do not think he should be fired. But if people want to boycott, or complain, that of course is their right. I would be very upset with FOX, which purports to be a news organization, if they fired him for being controversial. However, if they fire him for economic reasons, then I have no problem with that. If FOX fired Beck he would be on some other network in a heartbeat. He being controversial is why he is great. I have the same feeling for Rush, who I adore. I personally dissagree with both of them, but I love the fact that they express controversial opinions because all they are doing is saying what lot’s of other people are thinking. Once expressed, those ideas can be challenged and dismissed as folly. And in the dialogue people overcome their prejudices.

  • valkyrie101

    …come to think of it, that last point is why I like the Mediaite comment section. :-)

  • BowenIsland

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 7, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    “Thomas meerly voiced a kind anti-Jewish sentiment that has existed and manifested its ugly head for at least a couple thousand yesrs.”

    Oh , well if it was only a ” kind anti – jewish sentiment ” than thats ok . Someone call Helen and tell her she can have her job back.

    Its good to know that there can be ” kind anti- _________ sentiments “

  • Nachi

    A little truth & reality can gitcha in a lotta trouble.

  • valkyrie101

    Oh, sorry Island, that was “a kind of anti-Jewish sentiment”. And indeed it is. You can also find that sentiment over at the Aryan nation, and among those who profess onesness with, for example, Elizabeth Diller.

  • ImNotBlue

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 7, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    So we’ve come full circle, and gone back to the “Beck’s bad too,” meme? Yeesh. I thought we had already shown that to be garbage.

  • valkyrie101

    Blue,
    I didn’t say anything about “too”. :-) Beck is a frickin rodeo clown. He is virtually doing a Stephen Colbert, but more deep cover.

  • valkyrie101

    Beck is just egging on people predisposed for his act. Like he said, a few times, he is an entertainer. Think about it. There are lots of people who believe that Stephen Colbert is a conservative firbrand. They do not get the joke. Beck is a radio junkie, a shock jock, he is just doing a wierd promotional stunt for ratings. And he is making a lot of money real fast, like any good clown act must do.

  • ImNotBlue

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 7, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Blue,
    I didn’t say anything about “too”.

    “Bad too,” as in, “Sure Helen Thomas said something offensive… but check this Beck story out, he’s bad too.” As in… “Hey look over here, stop talking about that… look, something shiny!”

    The only problem is that the story is meaningless and irrelevant.

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 7, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    And the relation to the topic at hand is…?

  • Level Headed American

    I wonder if Thomas wasn’t referring to all Jews. Maybe she was only referring to the radical Jews that are using their religion as a reason to occupy another country.

    I can not read her mind but due to the answer and question, it makes me think that this may be the case.

  • valkyrie101

    Sorry blue, I was just teasing… I didn’t bring up Beck, you did.

  • nrgetick

    ha ha @ tyler……… i forgot about mel gibson,..,maybe helen thomas and him are long lost kindred spirits.; ha ha

  • ImNotBlue

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 7, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Sorry blue, I was just teasing… I didn’t bring up Beck, you did.

    Wow… and here I thought this was something YOU said:

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 7, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    …You can also find that sentiment over at the Aryan nation, and among those who profess onesness with, for example, Elizabeth Diller [sic].

    Of course, you meant Dilling not Diller.

    Must have been my imagination that you said that. The strange thing is, despite this being the same meme from earlier today, even though I must have dreamt that quote up… I can see it when I scroll up. Hmmm. Maybe I need new glasses.

  • http://thedailybarb.com Burnnotice

    Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers says:
    June 7, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Speaking of Libertarian values, did you hear that Rand Paul says smoking in a restaurant is a “god given liberty”.
    I thought Libertarians believed it was the right of the individual business owner to determine if smoking is allowed in his establishment

    Good Call. You absolutely right. He is wrong…..

  • http://thedailybarb.com Burnnotice

    Bye Helen. Hows it feel when your own turn on you. Truly surprised I am…..

  • http://none pyrope

    Congratulations to BUNNY!! The first to recognize the facts of the matter. Hearst FIRED Helen Thomas.

    DAMN GOOD RIDDANCE! Hateful people we’ve got too many of and I can think of NO ONE who is more hate-filled than Helen Thomas. It really must be miserable to be so full of hate. I sincerely DO pity the woman.

  • jrcmi

    “On the bright side, she can now take her hate to MSNBC, HP, Media Matters, Dailykos or Al Jazeera.”

    It seems anything that neocons don’t want to hear is “hate speech.”

    I’m still waiting for someone to prove an article from MediaMatters.org to be factually inaccurate.

    The cons can’t disprove facts so they try to move the goalpost . . . or just lie.

    “Limbaugh and Beck are doing opinion shows, not newscasts.”

    They CLAIM to be speaking “truths” that are provably wrong, deceptive and misleading.

    “Is there something you don’t understand about the difference between Government control, and free market control? ”

    The BP oil rig was under “free market control” until they screwed it up and “government control” had to take over. The Republicant governors of the Gulf states wanted “free market control” until BP screwed up and now demand “government control.”

    We get it.

  • http://thedailybarb.com Burnnotice

    @jrcme

    Ya the Aljazeera would love to have her..LOL

  • valkyrie101

    No Blue, you have to go a few posts before that Diller post, where you said: “Did you disagree with the Glenn Beck boycotts? Did you think that those folks don’t have a right to try to get him off the air?” So I guess, yes, you apparently DO need glasses. LOL.

  • ImNotBlue

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 8, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Really? So my question, which related to free speech, and a contradiction on whether or not your believe it was okay to complain about media personalities, was the impetus for you to post something many many posts afterwards? And you expect me to believe that?

    Puh-lease. I brought the Beck Boycotts in completely relevantly (you ignored it)… and then later, you went back to an unrelated and irrelevant Beck attack, as I showed. Once you were called on it, you pretended it didn’t happen… and now are trying to blame me for it.

    No, my glasses are just fine, thank you. Apparently, they let me see right through you… although, I’m pretty sure for something so obvious, they’re not really necessary.

  • valkyrie101

    Blue,
    You clearly brought Beck into the conversation and I just followed up. The above record clearly supports my position. Why embarrass yourself? But, you know what, I have no problem with you bringing Beck into the discussion because I love Beck and talking about him is fun.

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