Glenn Beck And Company Debate Whether Darwin Was ‘Father’ Or ‘Great-Uncle’ Of The Holocaust

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by Frances Martel | 4:14 pm, August 20th, 2010

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Last night on his TV show, Glenn Beck called Charles Darwin “the father of modern-day racism.” He didn’t really elaborate on that, and got the compulsory complaints. So today on his radio program, he gave evidence to back up that claim, and gave Darwin a new title: the “Father of the Holocaust.” His co-hosts disagreed; he was probably more of a “great-uncle.”

Beck noted that, despite the many complaints he has received about his Darwin comment coming without evidence, “no one has picked apart anything I said last night.” He didn’t wake up to the usual “400 things” Media Matters writes on him a day! This is, Beck continued, because there was no way to refute his argument, as there are “hundreds” of examples of Darwin’s flagrant racism, including talk about “savages… about how the Indians in Canada would have never survived if it wasn’t for the white men… my favorite is how he talks about how caucasians, their hind-teeth aren’t as sharp and pointed,” compared to “savages,” who have “fang-like” teeth. He also explains how Darwin had called people from Africa underevolved and, as a result, subhuman.

Worse that Darwin’s beliefs, he continued, was the fact that people believed in what this “horrible racist” had to say. “Almost everybody in the progressive movement—he was not—but anybody that was into the progressive movement, they all believe that stuff! They believe all of it!” Darwinism, he argued, led to eugenics. You know who else believed in eugenics? Hitler. “Charles Darwin is the father of the Holocaust.”

While his co-hosts Stu Burguiere and Pat Gray agreed with him this whole time, one of them had to draw the line there: “I think he was more of a great-uncle.”

The audio from this morning’s Glenn Beck radio program below:

Charles Darwin, Glenn Beck, Media Matters, Talk Radio

http://www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Stears/30802426 Joshua Stears

It wasn’t progressives that believed that stuff. It was people stuck in the backwards belief system that if you weren’t white and european, preferably christian, then you were inferior. Darwin was not the first person to think that way. People using his theory of evolution to “prove” blacks or jews or whomever the target is at the time inferior isn’t Darwin’s fault though. Especially considering their “proof” is nothing but a bunch of lies that twist real evolution.
MichelleF

Frannie, Listening to you and Glynnie recap Glenn’s shows is downright hilarious!! I can’t wait for you to recap today’s show. He’s goes through the history of which party were actually the racists in our history. Here’s a hint, it ain’t the Republicans. I can just image you and Glynnie listening to Beck’s show and when he says some truth that you don’t want to believe, you putting your hands over your ears, closing your eyes and shaking your head back and forth while chanting, “I can’t hear you!” But that’s ok, continue to wallow in your ignorance. You’re only hurting yourself.

Great piece of journOlism, as always!
Iris

And this person gets paid to spew this nonsense by an austrailian meglomanic and a muslim Saudi Prince and you right wing morAns beleive everything these nonAmericans want you to.
Like propaganda much?
Sue

O.K., however, where is your proof? How do we know you aren’t lying? If you look at humans from as far back as 35-60,000 years, you’ll see that Cro-Magnon was probably the first racist group of people…think Neanderthal. As for evolution, I go along with the theory, and, that is what it is until there is 100% proof, but a theory nonetheless. There are still multitudes of unknowns still to be discovered and proven or disproven. We are but toddlers on the path to become truly evolved human beings….long way off, folks!
Sue

But see? Proof is up above that lots of ubers watch Glenn but not one of them can put forth proof. Oh, and just so you know what is what, he is neither D or R….he is, however, a Moron….but of course, you won’t say bad things about that will you? Cuz then I’d have to ask you about your response the to Mosque in NY….see the point?
Sue

O.K snicker…misspelled Mormon….but hey we all need an honest laugh, don’t we?
DukeCO

We’re talking about a person’s views from 150 years ago. Pretty much everyone would be deemed a racist by today’s standards. Beck also leaves out the fact that Darwin was an abolitionist..
Ted-

Once you understand that Beck’s audience consists of limbic system types (see MichelleF), then it all makes sense. Beck simply throws some bullshit against the wall and the nit-its eat it up. Most people understand that his “argument” is weak and lazy, and really does not require being “picked apart;” its absurd on its face, but his audience does not understand this, and sadly, never will (see limbic system types). They like their stupid and like it with a healthy dose of bullshit (see MichelleF).

PS – Rally for Restoring my Bank Account T-shirts and mugs going fast.
The_Reasonable_Lib

MichelleF said:
Frannie, Listening to you and Glynnie recap Glenn’s shows is downright hilarious!! I can’t wait for you to recap today’s show. He’s goes through the history of which party were actually the racists in our history. Here’s a hint, it ain’t the Republicans. I can just image you and Glynnie listening to Beck’s show and when he says some truth that you don’t want to believe, you putting your hands over your ears, closing your eyes and shaking your head back and forth while chanting, “I can’t hear you!” But that’s ok, continue to wallow in your ignorance. You’re only hurting yourself.
Great piece of journOlism, as always!

But who’s the racists now I ask you. Can you distinguish between the people with many African-American representatives versus the one with none? Do you even know when African-American support for parties began to shift and why? Do you know what Lyndon B. Johnson famously said when he signed the civil rights bill and why? No, because as a soldier of truth Glenn’s word and only Glenn’s word is absolute.
The_Reasonable_Lib

Sue said:
But see? Proof is up above that lots of ubers watch Glenn but not one of them can put forth proof. Oh, and just so you know what is what, he is neither D or R….he is, however, a Moron….but of course, you won’t say bad things about that will you? Cuz then I’d have to ask you about your response the to Mosque in NY….see the point?

Don’t tell a mormon that their doctrine is racist either.
Iris

BTW, becks rally for restoring his bank account is featuring Ms. Palin who just loves dr. lala using the n word, thinks its just great, and beck thinks anyone of any intelligence will take him seriously and not see him for the hypocritical mouthpeice for rupert and the Saudis that he is.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Rodrigo-J-Brito/100000970223699 Rodrigo J. Brito

Darwin racist? So any of you have read ‘The Descent of Man’? He explain in an easy form he’s an abolitionist and against racism in many pages. He even made a response against the biblical creationist Josiah C. Nott and George Gliddon -who compared in their in their book ‘Indigenous Races of the Earth’ the skull of a white man, a black man and a monkey, trying to differentiate white people from negroes and monkeys-. So, Glenn Beck lying again and again and again? against evolution? why? Evolution is not progressive and is not evil, is science and a giant step to know our beginning….or Beck is against science too?

Sad, is really sad for humanity to know a guy called Glenn Beck is ruining a country with lies and propaganda.
StandUp

MichelleF said:
Frannie, Listening to you and Glynnie recap Glenn’s shows is downright hilarious!! I can’t wait for you to recap today’s show.

I can’t wait for a recap while he’s still on air live. They will finally be ahead of their time.
Permatiltx

I don’t think it’s lies so much as misinformation. See, I believe Beck, like a lot of people who view Darwin as a racist and the father of the holocaust, think they are telling the truth. What Rodrigo said above is actually correct. More than just a cursory look at what he said without real analysis of the entire theory will lead you to miss things. Darwin learned and changed his views on race as he continued his studies. See, if he was wrong, he would change his formulation. It’s hard to believe to me that this is still a debated issue now. You see, the Bible, when it was written, there was not science like we have now. It didn’t disprove God, it just found that there is an explanation to the world that we didn’t understand back then. Heck, even the Vatican has a science division that will tell you the same thing. (I recommend seeing Religulous, I know it has Bill Maher, but if you can get past that it really is a fascinating dissection of religion). I mean the guy is dead, can’t defend himself, and a smear campaign is started (well, continued) to attack his character instead of looking at the research and the elements of his theory that had been proven and disproven.
Azarkhan

“It was people stuck in the backwards belief system that if you weren’t white and european, preferably christian, then you were inferior.” Joshua Stears

Sorta like the way Muslims feel about Islam and their culture. Got it.
Raygun

Surely we must use historical context when talking about racism way back a century? Cause if we don’t than the Founding Fathers were unreasonable horrible bigots. I doubt they saw people of colour as very different than savages or subhumans.
Cecelia

Michelle, I think you’re constantly the main target of the entire sockpuppet brigade.

Don’t let it get you down, girl. It’s all an effort to run you off.
notsofast

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Do you know what Lyndon B. Johnson famously said when he signed the civil rights bill and why?

And it was as true then as it is today.
notsofast

Raygun said:
Cause if we don’t than the Founding Fathers were unreasonable horrible bigots.

That’s interesting; your lib friends have been promoting “Presentism” to make that very point.
Azarkhan

“Don’t let it get you down, girl. It’s all an effort to run you off.” Cecelia

Michelle is a warrior. She’s not going anywhere.
m

Everyone is more liberal today than 100 years ago. Even if conservatives travelled back in time, they’d be end up killed for being too liberal. This is because we’re progressing and constantly becoming a better society through time.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

Glenn Beck – taking stupid to new levels every day and serving it to idiots.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

Raygun said:
Surely we must use historical context when talking about racism way back a century? Cause if we don’t than the Founding Fathers were unreasonable horrible bigots. I doubt they saw people of colour as very different than savages or subhumans.

If you start using historical context you’d have in such settings you’d also have to apply it in other situations – like the Constitution. The Right/Republicans/Tealiban would never permit sane application, it’s over their heads.
Drew

Iris, has it ever occurd to you that conservitism is not just an american thing but a nation thing no matter what country you are from? since WHEN in history has the progressive left done anything American if it reflects ideas that have been tried but failed by OTHER countries to either socialize or nationalize?
Mr B

Iris said:
And this person gets paid to spew this nonsense by an austrailian meglomanic and a muslim Saudi Prince and you right wing morAns beleive everything these nonAmericans want you to.
Like propaganda much?

What time is your TV show on and how are your ratings? Glenn’s ratings are going up and Obama’s polling is going down. Bears eat Beets.
Mr B

“Like propaganda much?”

Well, no. That was why the Obama NEA scandal was such a big deal. Transparency of the Obama admin propaganda plays a big part in his fall. (insert staged photo here).
http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

Mr B said:
What time is your TV show on and how are your ratings? Glenn’s ratings are going up and Obama’s polling is going down. Bears eat Beets.

Getting your information from Glenn Beck, no matter how ‘popular’ he might be, is conceding you’re incurably stupid. Beck is malignant.
The_Reasonable_Lib

notsofast said:
And it was as true then as it is today.

Actually, little idiot, you’re referring to a line paraphrased from the actual one that was placed in a book that never gave the actual “governors” Johnson mentioned it to. The actual quote is “We have lost the south for a generation”.
Hugo Daun

Sue said:
he is, however, a Moron

Sue said:
O.K snicker…misspelled Mormon

Moron, Mormon….tomato, to-mah-to.
Sue

Again, to the progressive ubers, put up your proof re Beck on anything…..it’s easier to use the last refuge of scoundrels: name calling, lying heaped with hatred! Please….p.s. no MediaMatters they are a website not factual.
Iris

MM not factual? Ok how about the NY POST via MM

Indeed, as none other than Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post reported last May, the Kingdom Foundation, al-Waleed’s personal charity, has donated a total of $305,000 to Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow, a leadership and networking project sponsored jointly by two of Rauf’s organizations, the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative. Al-Waleed owns a seven percent, $2.3 billion stake in News Corporation. Likewise, News Corporation owns a 9 percent, $70 million stake–purchased in February–in Rotana, Al-Waleed’s Saudi media conglomerate. Put another way: Rupert Murdoch and Fox News are in business, to the tune of billions of dollars, with one of the “Terror Mosque Imam’s” principal patrons.

[...]

Fox News had no comment. An e-mail to Al-Waleed’s Kingdom Holdings was not returned.
Jelperman

Trying to blame the Final Solution on Charles Darwin is pure Holocaust denial. But then, what would you expect from a creep who plagiarizes much of his material and his act from Elizabeth Dilling, an avowed Nazi?

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2010/06/07/dilling
http://www.facebook.com/people/Rodrigo-J-Brito/100000970223699 Rodrigo J. Brito

Sue: Yes, you’re right about the last refuge of scoundrels is the name calling, lying with hatred…like Glenn Beck exactly. For example, talking about this topic, you can start going to the library and check, like a said in my last comment, ‘The Descent of Man’. In this book, you’ll see he’s against racism and eugenics and he was an abolitionist. So…in only one simple book anybody can reply a lie/propaganda from our favorite(?) McCarthyist, Glenn Beck.

BTW, you know the difference between scientific theory and a simple theory, don’t you? Cause you said this: “As for evolution, I go along with the theory, and, that is what it is until there is 100% proof, but a theory nonetheless.” By this comment only, I see too much ignorance by your part. Please Sue, go open a book before talking about science or topics you don’t really know. Thank you.

Maybe George Orwell was right about ignorance in ‘Nineteen Eighty Four’: “Ignorance is strength’. Yes, indeed, ignorance is strength by the Glenn Beck’s fans.
Pablo

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Do you know what Lyndon B. Johnson famously said when he signed the civil rights bill and why?

Yes. “That’ll keep the nigg*rs voting Democrat for the next 200 years.”
Pablo

Rodrigo J. Brito said:
In this book, you’ll see he’s against racism and eugenics and he was an abolitionist.

That really isn’t the question. Was Darwin’s work used as justification by eugenecists, or was it not?
http://www.facebook.com/people/Rodrigo-J-Brito/100000970223699 Rodrigo J. Brito

Pablo: Oh Pablo! then you’re trying to find someone to blame? If you’re trying to blame Einstein for the atomic bomb, or blame the Germans for voting for Hitler and the Nazis, blame every muslim for 9/11, can you blame Marilyn Manson for the Columbine High School massacre, blame Sean Hannity, O’Reilly and Savage for Jim Adkisson, or blaming jewish people for communism…like Hitler. If you blame Darwin for eugenics, then you’re too simplistic and stupid.

Eugenics took time before Darwin, from the Greeks to the Chinese, but maybe you can blame that to Darwin somehow. Hitler was a creationist, and by his words, his inspiration was Jesus: “My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them.” So, by your simplistic way to think, I’m gonna blame it on Jesus. Maybe I can blame on Jesus too the crusades and the inquisition, but I won’t, because I’m a reasonable man.
Liberty_Hound

Charles Darwin was right about many things but he also thought the Negro race and the Native American for that matter were not fully evolved. Later came eugenics. Something he probably would not have supported but he did plant the seed. There is no denying this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Descent_of_Man,_and_Selection_in_Relation_to_Sex. There plenty of data out there. There are several links to eugenic, Darwinism etc.

The real difference between what Darwin believed and the Eugenics crowd believed was that Darwin believed that nature selection would wipe out inferior races or the blood line of inferior people. The eugenics crowd like Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson and Margret Sanger and quite a few others wanted to speed up the process because nature selection wasn’t working too hot.

Margret Sanger who is considered the founder of Planned Parenthood was initially big on birth control not because of women reproductive rights but so they (the eugenics crowd) could stop the undesirables from reproducing,

As the people here in American stopped talking about eugenics the Germans had already picked it up and we all know what happened then, 6 million Jews wiped from the face of the earth.

Beck is at the very least is partially correct.
Liberty_Hound

Joshua Stears said:
It wasn’t progressives that believed that stuff. It was people stuck in the backwards belief system that if you weren’t white and european, preferably christian, then you were inferior. Darwin was not the first person to think that way. People using his theory of evolution to “prove” blacks or jews or whomever the target is at the time inferior isn’t Darwin’s fault though. Especially considering their “proof” is nothing but a bunch of lies that twist real evolution.

So, Joshua you’re saying Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, the 2 biggest Progressives this country has ever seen didn’t believe in Eugenics? Are saying Margret Sanger wasn’t a Progressive and didn’t believe in eugenics? You are wrong.

Or are you saying Teddy, Woodrow and Margret were all backwoods people but not Progressive? Either way you’re wrong. You must be a high school history teacher because that’s the crap being taught in school these days.

The content of the link below is copyrighted so I can’t quote from it or cut and paste from it but there’s nothing unlawful about providing the link. Seriously you need to read this.

http://www.michaelcrichton.net/essay-stateoffear-whypoliticizedscienceisdangerous.html