“And therefore, when the deal goes down, all of this talk about rules – we make ‘em up as we go along”

What is it about that sentence that you don’t understand? He said it, period.

BTW, just to satisfy my own curiosity, is the MediaiteMatters staff on the payroll of the Democratic Party?
Would you like to be?

What part of it did you not get? Michael Steel, no not that idiot, Michael Steel who works for Boehner also gave that bullshit memo to Politico. Republicans are the scum of this earth and the teabaggers are pathetic and ignorant cretins. Healthcare will pass and there isn’t a damn thing anything of them can do to stop it. So now, it’s desparation time for them.

And Republicans wonder why they aren’t treated as honest players in this debate… or any other debate for that matter.

Republicans should put a sign around their neck that says “We lie at all costs” with a footnote that says “God forgives Us”.

Roxsy, what did Willow say about why she didn’t like the net? Bad spelling!

“desperation” is correct. Some people (not me!), look at bad spelling and think, “Who wrote this-some ignorant cretin?”

I think taking bits and pieces of soundbites and using them out of context to make political points is disingenuous at best, but, COLBY, you act like it doesn’t happen on this site every day. It happens on every cable show every day. It happens in “straight up” newscasts every day.
I think Boehner is a jerk, but let’s not pat ourselves on the back as though the media is pristine. There are a lot of folks mud wrestling in the media these days.

This post is complete bullshit and one of the best pieces of evidence so far, that this site functions primarily not as a venue for journalism, but as a Leftist propaganda sheet. Hastings himself makes it clear that there is no distinction between Edison’s words and his attitude about the current Leftist regime passing laws in America (“They ain’t no rules around here”) when he takes full ownership of Edison’s words by saying “Thomas Edison made the remark that I think applies here”, followed, no less, by his own words “And therefore, when the deal goes down, all of this talk about rules – we make ‘em up as we go along.”

To posit that he does not have ownership of the meaning of Edison’s words when he so clearly claims it, is a bit of chicken-shit sleight of hand that would appeal only to a dunce. “(“Hastings didn’t say it, Edison did!”) Whatever bonehead that thought he had a eureka! moment with this story, should maybe grab some caffeine, something, at least, to wake up his synapses. Or perhaps he knew how stupid that argument was, and was merely appealing to his expectations of his Leftist demographic.

The fact that he was quoting Thomas Edison doesn’t really mitigate it. He also could have quoted Mao and Saul Alinsky for the same propositions.

Law (both making it and enforcing it) is all about process. How would Alcee Hastings feel about a judge who said in a criminal trial, “There ain’t no rules around here, we’re trying to accomplish something”?

Oh, wait, that’s right. That example might hit a little too close to home, seeing that Alcee Hastings was a federal judge who was impeached (by a Democratic House of Representatives by a vote of 413-3), convicted (by a Democratic Senate by a vote of 69 to 26), and removed from office.

“There ain’t no rules around here” is wholly consistent with a judge who would take a $150,000 bribe. The fact that the House Democrats would give that crook a seat on the prestigious Rules committee (one of the three elite committees in the House) speaks volumes about all of them (as does the fact that Bill Clinton pardoned Hastings on his last day in office, along with a bunch of other crooks with ties to the liberal establishment).

John Boehner – proven and pathological liar.

None of this matters, the Healthcare Bill will be the LAW of the LAND, real soon!!

Hey Adkins, that was great, really. Sources, back-up, everything. Go back to teaching your university social sciences class and shut the fuck up.

Hey, Toshiba2, just how ARE Adkins’s classes anyway?

I think Adkins, toshiba and our host, hall, should get together and form a brain. I’ll pay for the surgery.

I think Jihadi should wipe out his skull as he has shit for brains.

Hey, has Boehner ever disclosed the source for his hoax memo he read on the House floor? John Boehner – proven and pathological liar.

So the right-wing uses quote mining, tell me something I don’t know. I’ve seen the right-wing use every single logical and argument based fallacy, hell, I saw them use it all yesterday. On this website. So this does not shock me. They don’t care about context or facts, they never do and never have.

God damn right-wingers. Stay classy.

Will the people complaining that this is “quote mining” please explain what Hastings was trying to say that is different from the quote? It’s not “out-of-context” if it fairly summarizes his position. And from what I can tell, it fairly summarizes his position.

Rather than screaming “liar,” explain your argument. What’s unfair about the clip?

Explained and in context here’s what Hastings is referencing: “And I’m here now 18 years and a significant time under the leadership of the Republicans, who at no time, even when they claim all they did for the prescription drugs, they left that big old donut hole in. And they never talk about that they did not pay for it, while they are here now claiming that they are fiscal conservatives.” The GOP is the party of HypocrisyRus.

Bill Adkins:

No, that is a completely different point. Hastings clearly believes that there are no Rules and the Democrats have the right to make up whatever Rules they want in order to achieve their goals. Again, if that’s your best argument for why it’s an unfair quote, then your argument fails miserably–and you know it.

Well first off, grabbing a single sentence within a massive series of speeches. What is the context provided within one sentence? There is none, there is not one single idea of what Hastings is talking about when you cherry pick one single sentence, which is a quote to begin with.

Know what, let’s see if you actually care about the context. Here’s the entire debate, it’s an hour and forty minutes long, just about. His “controversial statements” were made at the 11 minute mark. Watch those 11 minutes, and please tell us what the topic was when he gets to the point you are complaining about.
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/03/20/HP/A/30894/House+Rules+Committee+Weekend+Meeting.aspx

Any logical person can come to the conclusion he was critiquing the process and the complaints offered to the democrats when it came to how the bill got to this point. If you do not come to this conclusion, you are intellectually dishonest and for all intents and purposes, an asshole.

And, I reiterate, Alcee Hastings is crook who believes that there are no rules. He took an oath to fairly adjudicate the law, and then put his judicial power up on the auction block for the highest bidder. He is the lowest form of life. I would never shake that man’s hand, let alone defend him.

And you are an intellectually dishonest fool who is not willing to admit his own failures as a person. Watch the fucking video, I have no patience for your bullshit right now.

Snipzor, I watched the whole thing yesterday. So what??? THe extra “context” you’re adding isn’t exculpatory in any way. The video clip accurately represents something that Hastings believes; not everything he believes and everything he stated that day, but the video doesn’t change the meaning of what he was trying to convey at that point.

Snipzor, how could you possibly know what my failures as a person are or are not? Obviously, you don’t. You are a pathetic ideologue who can’t win an argument with facts, so you go for the ad hominem attack. SInce you don’t know me, your ad hominem attack is nothing more than a fill-in-the-blank.

Bullshit, you didn’t watch shit, you were too busy posting on this website to do so, you never brought it up. Don’t lie, your lies are so transparent, it’s pathetic. Watch the fucking video, because you sure as hell did not watch it yesterday. Otherwise you’ll know what he was talking about prior to the “controversial statements”, that’s 11 minutes of discussion, you sure as hell cannot overlook that much over one single sentence.

Hey Fecal-minded Adkins. Counter to your – dare I press your chosen analogy’s “matter” – bullshit claims that you’ve contextualized and explained away Hastings declaration of legislative anarchy, you’ve done nothing but change the topic, as there is no way for you to win on the topic. After your grand declaration of forthcoming final resolution, all you do is immediately and sharply veer off into a non-sequiter about Republicans’ fiscal conservatism. Given the “shit” you’ve been typing all morning, vs. the cogent, and, well, small matter here, on-topic points I’ve made, I’ll let the record stand on its own as to which of us has a head full of brown and smelly, uhm, “shit”, as I believe your word was.

“I wish that I had been there when Thomas Edison made the remark that I think applies here. ‘They ain’t no rules around here, we’re trying to accomplish something.’ And therefore, when the deal goes down, all of this talk about rules – we make ‘em up as we go along.

Where exactly is the “quote-mining” of his comment? Hastings himself said “The remark that I think applies here. . ., meaning he was making a direct attribution to those words and this moment. How is that taken out of context? Colby thinks he has some kind of “Ah-Ha” moment for some reason but it seems pretty clear what Hastings was saying.

And I get a charge out of all the accusations of Republican lying going down today considering this entire health bill has been built on a tower of lies from the President on down. They say it is proven to be paid for over a ten year period, but that is with 4 years of funding before it is enacted, meaning it is only 60% funded in reality. Polls show growing resentment towards this bill and towards the leaders, yet they are plowing ahead with this fiasco.

“God damn right wingers. Stay classy.”

Now that’s class.

Snipzor:

The more you insult me without any reasonable basis, the more you show what a complete idiot you are. If I’m wrong, then point out what Alcee Hastings said that leads you to believe HE DOES NOT THINK that “there are no rules around here and we [i.e., the democrats] make up the rules.” Answer the question: doe she believe that or not?

You can’t do that because Hastings specifically said: “I think [the quote] applies here.”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hastings is a joke. He is one of only 6 Federal judges impeached in the history of the US. He was nailed for bribery.

Second, he castigates Repubs for the non-paid Medicare prescription drug bill? LOL

The Dems , who also supported the drug bill, had one complaint about it at the time of its passage: it wasn’t big enough!!!!!

Finally, Hastings specifically states that the Edison quote “applies here.” So they were making it up.

This should surprise no one.

You know what Hasting’s comment reminds me of? Someone incalculably disingenuous, e.g., saying something like, “I’d love to put that guy’s testicles in my juicer…bless his heart!” The dude said what he said, and in light of the current political imbroglio, was that the most responsible thing to say when we’ve got 3 million beer-swilling and well-armed Camaro drivers just itch’in for a reason to protest Washington?

Yeah, I thought so…

-osgo

I’d say the organized response to HCR reform has been to mischaracterize and lie. Boehner is just carrying his party’s water. All the Marys in Heaven know the Republicans haven’t done anything substantive.

Martini, did you ever get your act together and find the HCR which has now been posted for almost three (3) days?

I’ll get my act together when Congress does. They prefer to play games instead with such trivial legislation.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/44408-1.html

First you have the bogus Democrat memo that Boehner was circulating, now this selective editing deal. Why is it that the conservatives rail against communism, then adopt the communist meme of “the end justifies the means”?

Valkyrie, I think what Boehner has adopted is Goebbel’s ‘Big Lie’ principle — the bigger the lie, the more likely to be believed – just repeat it over and over.