Again and again Jon Stewart proves to be the most incisive and relevant commentator on national issues. Stewart hits the nail on the head.

Stewart is a little late, that has always been my system. I have never cared what they think.

The Saudis who did 911 vowed to destroy America and with their Prince Alaweed at the helm of the fox news and all you right wingers swallowing everything he feeds you they are on their way to acheiving their goal.
As the saying goes , the fox IS in the henhouse

Iris said:
The Saudis who did 911 vowed to destroy America and with their Prince Alaweed at the helm of the fox news and all you right wingers swallowing everything he feeds you they are on their way to acheiving their goal.As the saying goes , the fox IS in the henhouse

Indeed, you have said true words.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

gordonbloyershow said:
Stewart is a little late, that has always been my system. I have never cared what they think.

And, vice-versa, I am sure.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

gordonbloyershow said:
Stewart is a little late, that has always been my system. I have never cared what they think.

And yet that is the essential “they are dancing on the grave of 911″ right wing argument on this issue.

I do think that this “discussion” has revealed to all of the world the ugly butt of America and America’s soft under belly. It has proven to be ugly and unfortunate, and regardless of the outcome, America has lost this round.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

In addition to the stabbing of the Muslim cab driver in NYC, two more recent anti-Muslim incidents. In Queens a man entered a mosque, shouted slurs, and urinated on a prayer rug. In California a group calling itself the American National Brotherhood vandalized an Islamic center, the third such incident there in the last week.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/46449/20100826/mosque-islam-hate.htm

valkyrie101 said:
And yet that is the essential “they are dancing on the grave of 911″ right wing argument on this issue.

Boy, that right wing sure is getting big. Poll: Most Say “Ground Zero Mosque” Is Inappropriate

Pablo said:
Boy, that right wing sure is getting big. Poll: Most Say “Ground Zero Mosque” Is Inappropriate

And nearly the same number, 67%, say they have the right. What’s more important? Being sensitive?

RRK do you have your list of lies on Fox News last night? We are waiting.

paulmdoro, being sensitive is ONLY important if the Muslims that want to build this Mosque really want to reach out to the American people or they just want to stick their thumb in our eye. It is their choice, make enemies or make friends.

I agree Gordon, but I think a major problem is that when they do try and reach out and make friends, people immediately cast doubt and suspicion and wonder if it’s just a ruse. Don’t we need to meet them halfway if their intentions appear genuine to help build strong, productive relationships?

WHERE’S THE ED SHULTZ STORY?

Page Six has a lead story on how the Sarge LOST IT, for being shunned by execs in favor of Olbermann & Maddow!

First he threw a Screaming Fit at the Studio, then NBC Brass called him into the office, and HE WHIMPERED & CRIED, like a little Sissy-Boy! – in fact, just like Olberman did when Donnie Deutch criticized him!!! LOL!!

I mean, it’s getting pathetic over there at NBC! —– Are there no Men left?

It seems that out of the three Axis-of-Evil Hosts at msnbc , Maddow’s got the Biggest B-lls!!
LOL!!

I don’t get it. The left says Alwaleed is a bad guy when he invests in Fox, but when he invests in the mosque he’s a good guy and we should be sensitive to the Muslims and want the mosque built. Those wacky lefties.

NORBIT said:
WHERE’S THE ED SHULTZ STORY?

Page Six has a lead story on how the Sarge LOST IT, for being shunned by execs in favor of Olbermann & Maddow!

First he threw a Screaming Fit at the Studio, then NBC Brass called him into the office, and HE WHIMPERED & CRIED, like a little Sissy-Boy! – in fact, just like Olberman did when Donnie Deutch criticized him!!! LOL!!

I mean, it’s getting pathetic over there at NBC! —– Are there no Men left?

It seems that out of the three Axis-of-Evil Hosts at msnbc , Maddow’s got the Biggest B-lls!!
LOL!!

Hurry up. I don’t think you’ve posted this in every story yet.

paulmdoro said:
And nearly the same number, 67%, say they have the right. What’s more important? Being sensitive?

Apparently not. If it were, they’d move the mosque.

Pablo said:
Apparently not. If it were, they’d move the mosque.

I’m sure sensitivity is something you concern yourself with on a regular basis.

whiter,, Lets see, … the right thinks Alwaleed is a good guy because he owns their beloved fox news but he is a bad guy cause he wants to build a mosque right…and oddly enough the right seems to be shocked, shocked itell you because a Prince from Saudi Arabia would choose a mosque as his religious preference

But Iris, you’ve so much as stated that Alwaleed is definitely a bad guy. So if he’s involved in funding the mosque, that must mean you’re against having it built. Right?

Keep the Mosque Issue Alive! – It’s tearing the Democrats apart!!

But whiter you thinkk the muslim Prince that owns your beloved fox is a good guy so that means you must love the mosque he is building, Right?

Did I ever say that, Iris? Could you point out my post where I said Alwaleed is a good guy? In fact, I remember agreeing with you and saying that as far as I’m concerned, all those Arabs can go to hell. Fox funding or not. So now you’re against the mosque being built. Right?

I would put the GOP in the can’t lose column also, Jon!
heh-heh-heh!

Keep the Mosque Issue ALIVE – It’s dividing the Democrats!!!

gordonbloyershow said:
Stewart is a little late, that has always been my system. I have never cared what they think.

That’s good. Write Bill O and the other Fox personalities that keep making that stupid claim.

You can SAY anything but you there is no doubt you DO support him, anyone that makes the fox money by giving the the best ratings in cable, (that you are so proud of) and gives them power by doing and believing EVERYTHING they shove down your throat. By giving him that kind of support you would be an idiot if you actually thought he wasn’t a “good guy”. Either an idiot or a spiteful right wing hypocrite

gordonbloyershow said:
RRK do you have your list of lies on Fox News last night? We are waiting.

I watched some FOX last night, but, as usual, there was no news. Exactly when does the news come on FOX, Marceaux, I mean Blower. It seems to be as illusive as your television program.

BTW, your demi-god, Bugman Delay has taken several big hits in court this week, to-wit:

(1) Sufficient evidence exists of criminal and conspiratorial activity to proceed to trial.
(2) Bugman will be severed from his co-conspirators and proceed to trial alone (Bugman’s mouthpiece wanted a complex trial with issues which are difficult to understand.
(3) Trial will commence shortly.
(4) Trial will be held in Austin, the site of the formation of the redistricting plan declared illegal by the Republican judges on the Texas Supreme Court.

Now, before you get your peek-a-boo boxers in a knot, the judge making the ruling was from Bexar County (San Antonio). The Travis County (Austin) judges did not want Bugman to whine about liberal judges.

Bugman’s not cooked yet, but the oven is preheating.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

Iris said:
You can SAY anything but you there is no doubt you DO support him, anyone that makes the fox money by giving the the best ratings in cable, (that you are so proud of) and gives them power by doing and believing EVERYTHING they shove down your throat. By giving him that kind of support you would be an idiot if you actually thought he wasn’t a “good guy”. Either an idiot or a spiteful right wing hypocrite

Absolutely. Demonstrably.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

” Iris said:
The Saudis who did 911 vowed to destroy America and with their Prince Alaweed at the helm of the fox news and all you right wingers swallowing everything he feeds you they are on their way to acheiving their goal.As the saying goes , the fox IS in the henhouse

The Real Royal King says “Indeed, you have said true words.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.”

Wow… doesn’t this just sum up the mindset PRECISELY!

If YOU don’t agree that people should be dismissed as bigots for feeling that an Islamic Center is too close to Ground Zero, and think that with more time and healing perhaps we’ll all get there…why you’re pants-pissing Muslim-hating fraidycat.

However, it makes perfect sense for them to involve a pernicious Muslim if he sits on the board of the one TRUE enemy to peace and security, the fearful Fox News!

Trust me, folks, these people are the polar opposite of tolerant souls. Be it Muslim, Jew, or Christian, to them ANY person, group, or thing is only as good as its ability to score a political vote or a political point.

What they TRULY are is utter ideological zealots who love nothing an innth as much as they hate their political opponents.

Same goes for you, King. If Alwaleed is a bad guy, and he’s investing in the mosque, then you should be against it being built. I’ve told Iris that if a bad guy is supporting Fox, then I don’t condone it. And like you King, she just rambles on and ignores every word I’ve said. But your condemnation of Alwaleed seems to stop where the mosque is concerned.

LIke I said idiots or spiteful right wing hypocrites, They support the builders of the mosque by filling their pockets with money and thier thrones with power and yet they SAY they don’t want the mosque but actually DO everything they can to make sure its built.

NORBIT said:
I would put the GOP in the can’t lose column also, Jon!
heh-heh-heh!

Keep the Mosque Issue ALIVE – It’s dividing the Democrats!!!

Maybe in the short term (the party in the WH almost always loses seats in midterm elections, so that’s nothing new), but what about the long term? Is alienating Hispanic and Muslim and young voters really a winning strategy for the GOP?

Then I’m not being hypocritical, Iris. We evidently have an accord. As far as I’m concerned, all of those Arabs can shove their money up their ass, whether funding Fox or the mosque. And since you seem to feel the same, I’m sure you’re now against the mosque being built.

gordonbloyershow said:
paulmdoro, being sensitive is ONLY important if the Muslims that want to build this Mosque really want to reach out to the American people or they just want to stick their thumb in our eye. It is their choice, make enemies or make friends.

No, it isn’t just their choice. The people who label it as an insult also have a choice. They can think things through and examine the details of the issue and decide if their sensitive feelings are feeding religious intolerance like we’re seeing in TN. They can decide if living by the 1st amendment is more important than their sensitive feelings. It’s a thumb in their eye because they choose to see it that way. A lot of patriotic Americas feel otherwise and think religious tolerance is more important an issue than being insulted by a building that can’t even be seen form ground zero.

writer said:
As far as I’m concerned, all of those Arabs can shove their money up their ass, whether funding Fox or the mosque.

Every single one? Why?

A bit of hyperbole, paul, since Iris seems to be having a little trouble understanding.

writer writes… “But your condemnation of Alwaleed seems to stop where the mosque is concerned.”

Because that’s all this inanity is about. He’ll put aside logic for it.

Iris’ premise is that if you don’t believe the Islamic Center should be so near to Ground Zero it is therefore illogical for you to not hold every Muslim, particularly strident ones, as a threat to the republic.

That’s an utterly illogical premise, as adolescent and silly as Iris is herself.

writer said:
A bit of hyperbole, paul, since Iris seems to be having a little trouble understanding.

Gotcha.

Iris said:
The Saudis who did 911 vowed to destroy America and with their Prince Alaweed at the helm of the fox news and all you right wingers swallowing everything he feeds you they are on their way to acheiving their goal.
As the saying goes , the fox IS in the henhouse

While I don’t think this is literally true it’s at least as accurate as the arguments Fox puts forth day after day. Maybe someone ought to take this opportunity to hammer them with their own style of twisted logic. Taking Fox at their word that Alaweed and the Kingdom foundation helps fund radical Madrasahs, you can suggest that Fox itself is working to subvert America by pretending to support it while secretly being funded in part by terrorists. Alaweed also owns part of Apple, Pepsi, and Citigroup, so supporting any of them is akin to helping the enemy. It all fits within Foxes definition of reasoning.

Ok whiter then I’ll go with idiot too since you apparently are still going to watch fox and fund the mosque (even though apparently you think they take the money and shove it up their a*** as you said). Its really very simple , if you don’t want the mosque then don’t watch fox and let the Prince know you will not give him any more money to help fund it

The skit with Aasif Mandvi really drives the point home.

Got it, Iris. And likewise, if Alwaleed is that bad, then you’ll be against building the mosque.

writer said:
I don’t get it. The left says Alwaleed is a bad guy when he invests in Fox, but when he invests in the mosque he’s a good guy and we should be sensitive to the Muslims and want the mosque built. Those wacky lefties.

I think you’re the wacky one. The left never said Alaweed was good or bad. Fox painted him as bad and the left just noted that he’s a major Fox investor. So, if he is bad as they claim, where do the profits they make for him end up?

Iris said:
Ok whiter then I’ll go with idiot too since you apparently are still going to watch fox and fund the mosque (even though apparently you think they take the money and shove it up their a*** as you said). Its really very simple , if you don’t want the mosque then don’t watch fox and let the Prince know you will not give him any more money to help fund it

The prince can fund all the mosques and Islamic centers he wishes, the question is about where he’s putting one of them.

You too Cecilia if you don’t want the mosque then don’t support the supporters by watching fox (and as the cosmos says don’t drink pepsi or bank at citi etc.) and let the Prince know you are not going to support his bank account to fund it, THAT SIMPLE!

Not wacky at all, Cosmos. If you’ll check some earlier posts, I said that if Fox is saying the guy is bad and then takes his money, they’re being hypocritical. But likewise, if he is proven to be be bad and is funding the mosque, you should be against it.

CosmosDan said:
I think you’re the wacky one. The left never said Alaweed was good or bad. Fox painted him as bad and the left just noted that he’s a major Fox investor. So, if he is bad as they claim, where do the profits they make for him end up?

So now we go from Iris’ and The Real Royal King’s premise that this Muslim is destroying America via his steering of pernicious FOX News content, to arguing that we must distrust FOX News BECAUSE it criticized a guy who holds shares in its parent company…

Are Muslims pretty much guilty until proven innocent now?

Iris said:
You too Cecilia if you don’t want the mosque then don’t support the supporters by watching fox (and as the cosmos says don’t drink pepsi or bank at citi etc.) and let the Prince know you are not going to support his bank account to fund it, THAT SIMPLE!

Iris, why would I do that? My beef with the Islamic Center isn’t over the religion of Islam, or about Saudis, or the fact that there are mosques being built in the U.S., it’s about the location of this particular one.

CosmosDan said:
No, it isn’t just their choice. The people who label it as an insult also have a choice. They can think things through and examine the details of the issue and decide if their sensitive feelings are feeding religious intolerance like we’re seeing in TN. They can decide if living by the 1st amendment is more important than their sensitive feelings. It’s a thumb in their eye because they choose to see it that way. A lot of patriotic Americas feel otherwise and think religious tolerance is more important an issue than being insulted by a building that can’t even be seen form ground zero.

Well said.

OK I’m’ back to right wing hypocrite, YOU RIGHT WINGERS are the ones boo hooin about the mosque all we are doing is telling you how most effectively to actually DO something but no you would rather just sit around and call names and be hateful about it and do all the things that you’ve been doing to support it so how can anyone take your opposition seriously

paulmdoro said:
Are Muslims pretty much guilty until proven innocent now?

Ifyou’re a conservative they are. I wonder if this will affect Lupe Fiasco’s next album or Dave Chappelle’s new standup routine.

Many on the left believe that all conservatives think everything said by Fox is written on tablets from God. Nah, I don’t think that. I just think it’s funny that with people like Olbermann, Maddow, and Schultz out there, Fox is the only one the left points out as being ‘biased’.

Ceceilia , OK i’ll go with idiot on this one, who ever said anything about abeef with Islam, we ARE talking about the mosque, but keep on supporting the funders of it, thats your choice

You too whiter keep funding the funders of the mosque and sit around and complain about it,apparently thats the right wings MO. Its your choice

Iris said:
OK I’m’ back to right wing hypocrite, YOU RIGHT WINGERS are the ones boo hooin about the mosque all we are doing is telling you how most effectively to actually DO something but no you would rather just sit around and call names and be hateful about it and do all the things that you’ve been doing to support it so how can anyone take your opposition seriously

Well, great. I’ll start following that “logic” when YOU do.

Perhaps you can now boycott everything the prince has invested in because you don’t support FNC.

I can’t speak for everyone but today I am boycotting boycotts.

In fact, let’s look up all the investors in and board members of News Corp. and demand that Iris boycott all products from any company where they have interest, in order not to be a hypocrite…

I ‘ m not the one complaining about it Cecilia, I don’t have to boycott it and neither do you but you will keep hating and complaining about it but not willing to actually DO anything, like I said the Right wing MO

paulmdoro said:
I can’t speak for everyone but today I am boycotting boycotts.

Maybe O’Reilly can boycott France again, I’m sure they’ll enjoy it.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Maybe O’Reilly can boycott France again, I’m sure they’ll enjoy it.

Freedom fries!

Sorry, Cecelia, but I had nothing to do with Murdoch’s/Ailes’/NewsCorp’s/FOX’s situational ethics coming back to bite them. All I can do is enjoy the show.

As for the Mosque’s/Community center’s location, it would be helpful to know if this location is too close to the location that you radical rightists deem sacred but are content to leave as a large acne scar, what location would be acceptable to you? Three more blocks away? 300? 3000? 3000 miles? In a church, we can easily tell where the sanctuary ends and the nave begins, but in your mind, it is more difficult to know. Enlighten us, dear lady, and see if we might find common ground.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

paulmdoro said:
Freedom fries!

Or to quote Will Farrell “We saved your ass in world war II fries”

Iris said:
I ‘ m not the one complaining about it Cecilia, I don’t have to boycott it and neither do you but you will keep hating and complaining about it but not willing to actually DO anything, like I said the Right wing MO

You complain about Fox News incessantly. In a post above you stated that Fox News was a vehicle for the Saudis to destroy America.

Again, I’ll boycott FNC because the prince holds a stake in FNC, if you boycott any company that the prince, Murdoch, and all his backers have an interest in because of your condemnation of Fox News.

Iris, same goes for you and the King. If Alwaleed is funding terrorists and you keep supporting the mosque, it’s your choice.

The Real Royal King said:
Sorry, Cecelia, but I had nothing to do with Murdoch’s/Ailes’/NewsCorp’s/FOX’s situational ethics coming back to bite them. All I can do is enjoy the show.

As for the Mosque’s/Community center’s location, it would be helpful to know if this location is too close to the location that you radical rightists deem sacred but are content to leave as a large acne scar, what location would be acceptable to you? Three more blocks away? 300? 3000? 3000 miles? In a church, we can easily tell where the sanctuary ends and the nave begins, but in your mind, it is more difficult to know. Enlighten us, dear lady, and see if we might find common ground.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

What location would be right for you since you initially expressed the opinion that it would be wise not to build on that site?

I’m sure with Gov. Paterson’s assistance and with the representation from the families, a suitable place could be found.

Cecilia it seems that you believe that fox news would never, ever, ever put money over whats best for America,, you’re free to beleive whatever you want so keep watching , drink some pepsi make sure the bank that rips you off is citi but above all else don’t forget the egg salad sandwhiches for Beckapalooza

paulmdoro said:
Freedom fries!

Indeed, it worked so well last time, didn’t it? Coming back from a conference in München during the boycott, I transferred at CDG to an Air France flight to IAH, and the flight attendant, a lovely young woman with the most wonderful bone structure, speaking in heavily French-accented English that sent tingles up my spine and made the hair on the back of my neck stand up said: “Air France is pleased you didn’t O’Reilly France and chose to fly with us today.” Everyone laughed. Très drôle!

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

Well, you do the same, Iris, know that you’re putting money in the pocket of a news organization that by your own words is a front for Muslim extremism.

So if Alwaleed funds Fox, we should boycott, but if he funds the mosque, we shouldn’t.

The Real Royal King said:
“Air France is pleased you didn’t O’Reilly France and chose to fly with us today.” Everyone laughed. Très drôle!

Then he woke up…

Money in the pocket of some sort of extremeism? Sorry I’m not attending Beckapalooza

Iris said:
Money in the pocket of some sort of extremeism? Sorry I’m not attending Beckapalooza

You aren’t following the argument even when its your own, are you…

Thats the point, cece I am not arguing, i say do what ever you want

Cecelia said:
What location would be right for you since you initially expressed the opinion that it would be wise not to build on that site? I’m sure with Gov. Paterson’s assistance and with the representation from the families, a suitable place could be found.

I honestly don’t know. I’m by nature logical and analytical, not in the least intuitive and at a complete loss in an emotional exchange. This entire “discussion” has become pure emotion, devoid of fact or logic. I can’t seem to find the goal posts here.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

The FOX fans have become edgy and babbling on this issue, haven’t they? Uncharacteristically so.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

The Real Royal King said:
I honestly don’t know. I’m by nature logical and analytical, not in the least intuitive and at a complete loss in an emotional exchange. This entire “discussion” has become pure emotion, devoid of fact or logic. I can’t seem to find the goal posts here.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

That’s not at all true.

Your goalpost is the only one you have. If a certain company seems to be for it, you’ll slime the issue and them, no matter how you truly feel.

If by logical and analytical, you mean elitist and arrogant.

The Real Royal King said:
The FOX fans have become edgy and babbling on this issue, haven’t they? Uncharacteristically so.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

For someone who gave nod to the notion that the Saudi Muslim extremists are covertly destroying the U.S. via Al-Waleed’s stake in FNC, you’re not judge “edgy”.

The Real Royal King said:
The FOX fans have become edgy and babbling on this issue, haven’t they? Uncharacteristically so.

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

By the way, this often used tact that The Real Royal King is taking above is the polar opposite of logical and analytical.

writer said:
Many on the left believe that all conservatives think everything said by Fox is written on tablets from God. Nah, I don’t think that. I just think it’s funny that with people like Olbermann, Maddow, and Schultz out there, Fox is the only one the left points out as being ‘biased’.

You should ask some liberals about that. It’s not that they can’t see bias from other pundits. There is a real difference between giving a story or issue a right or left slant based on your personal preferences, and repeated and intentional distortions of facts to create false outrage. It’s the consistent lies and smears that Fox excels in that is the strongest objection.
btw, I have several conservative friends and I’m confident that they are too smart to accept the crap Fox dishes out. I’m glad to hear you are as well. Remember the video of the GOP congressman getting booed at a town hall for suggesting people not watch Glenn Beck. Both sides need to redress their extremists so we can have a decent discussion on the issues.

Cosmos, you mean like when MSNBC kept harping about those white racist tea baggers carrying guns, and showed a close up of a gun? But if the camera panned back, it was a black guy carrying it? Or Keith Olbermann’s straight up and unbiased journalism when he called Scott Brown a racist, sexist homophobe? Or when Dan Rather lied about Bush’s guard service? All of the news outlets have their own version of the truth. Pretending Fox is the only one that does it is disingenuous.

Cecelia said:
So now we go from Iris’ and The Real Royal King’s premise that this Muslim is destroying America via his steering of pernicious FOX News content, to arguing that we must distrust FOX News BECAUSE it criticized a guy who holds shares in its parent company…

Cecelia you are seriously missing the point. I distrust Fox news because they have repeatedly demonstrated to me that they don’t care about the facts or honesty as long as they can create a controversy and make money from it. That is currently demonstrated by their painting one of their own major investors as someone who uses his money to support terrorism. In their dishonest attempt to taint the money for Park 51 they also taint themselves.
It’s not that we believe their stories about Park 51 or AlaWeed. They don’t usually offer factual evidence to support their hyped controversies. It’s just the idea that they caught themselves with their own crap and that their own twisted logic condemns them as well.

writer said:
All of the news outlets have their own version of the truth. Pretending Fox is the only one that does it is disingenuous.

Even more than bias, the news today (or what passes for it, at the local and national levels) is almost entirely comprised of three things: shouting, scaring, and simplifying.

paul, it’s like the difference between real wrestling and professional wrestling. The real thing’s boring as hell to watch. That’s why the pizazz was added.

writer said:
Cosmos, you mean like when MSNBC kept harping about those white racist tea baggers carrying guns, and showed a close up of a gun? But if the camera panned back, it was a black guy carrying it? Or Keith Olbermann’s straight up and unbiased journalism when he called Scott Brown a racist, sexist homophobe? Or when Dan Rather lied about Bush’s guard service? All of the news outlets have their own version of the truth. Pretending Fox is the only one that does it is disingenuous.

Who is pretending that? Not me. I’m pretty disgusted with most TV news media now because they care more about hyping controversy than they do about actually informing the public and reporting relevant news. I don’t care for Olberman or Beck. Although there might be times when I agree with a particular point either makes. I’m just not interested in wading through the rest of the crap to find it. Find me am honest intelligent conservative pundit who presents the conservative view with integrity and evidence and I’ll be sincerely glad to watch. I’m kind of liking some of Maddow right now because she at least seems to research her stories and be concerned about the facts even though her liberal bias is easy to see.
Anybody can make an honest mistake, or the occasional bad judgment call in covering a story, but it seems to me that Fox , far more than others , intentionally distorts the facts to create a controversy or smear an individual to serve their agenda. Pointing out that others have done it as well doesn’t excuse anyone. It sucks, and it’s a huge disservice to you me and the general public.

CosmosDan said:
Cecelia you are seriously missing the point. I distrust Fox news because they have repeatedly demonstrated to me that they don’t care about the facts or honesty as long as they can create a controversy and make money from it. That is currently demonstrated by their painting one of their own major investors as someone who uses his money to support terrorism. In their dishonest attempt to taint the money for Park 51 they also taint themselves.
It’s not that we believe their stories about Park 51 or AlaWeed. They don’t usually offer factual evidence to support their hyped controversies. It’s just the idea that they caught themselves with their own crap and that their own twisted logic condemns them as well.

I don’t know how I’m missing your point, I’m taking YOUR word that FNC has condemned Al-Waleed.

Aside from the fact that other news organizations have covered the Islamic Center as ardently as FNC and with an emphasis on the buzzword “Islamophobia” (a stance every bit as inflammatory as its opposite), one would think that you’d be gratified that FOX programming content is obviously NOT being rubber stamped or guided by corporate bosses.

writer said:
If by logical and analytical, you mean elitist and arrogant.

For some reason, you always put me in mind of Churchill’s comment about Clement Attlee:

“He is a humble man, but then he has much to be humble about!”

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

writer said:
So if Alwaleed funds Fox, we should boycott, but if he funds the mosque, we shouldn’t.

Who is saying anything like that? I know very little about AlaWeed, and have no reason currently to think he’s doing anything to promote the killing of innocents. Just like I have no real evidence that Imam Rauf is secretly subverting America. I have lots of reason to believe Fox can’t be depended on to report on issues like this honestly, becasue they’ve demonstrated it so many times.

What’s being said is that if Fox truly believes their own hype about Alaweed then by their own logic, they should be boycotted to prevent their profits from funding terrorism. Maybe Murdoch can just dissolve Fox news completely and start a new channel that isn’t owned by NewsCorp at all. That seems to be the patriotic thing to do, according to their logic.

Cecelia said:
I don’t know how I’m missing your point, I’m taking YOUR word that FNC has condemned Al-Waleed.

Aside from the fact that other news organizations have covered the Islamic Center as ardently as FNC and with an emphasis on the buzzword “Islamophobia” (a stance every bit as inflammatory as its opposite), one would think that you’d be gratified that FOX programming content is obviously NOT being rubber stamped or guided by corporate bosses.

You’re missing that the point isn’t about whether Alaweed funds can be connected to terrorism , since Fox made the accusation and never backed it up. The point is about how Fox has inadvertently {perhaps?} caught themselves in their own faulty reasoning and dishonest twisting of the facts. It’s not about applying logic to the facts. It’s about applying Fox’s own non logic to their own distortions.

I’m not sure we need a new word for it but sadly, when you follow other news stories about anti Muslim sentiment all over the country, this hyped up controversy has revealed a lot of religious intolerance aimed at Islam. I’m fine with a real discussion about the growing presence of Islam in America. I suppose we need it at this point. What I don’t think we need is a major so called news network fanning the fires of of religious intolerance with dishonesty.

Jeeze cecelia just CHOOSE to be stupid all your life, you don’t have to take anybodys word for anything, LOOK IT UP the video is everywhere from the fox and freaks calling their owner a terrorist without mentioning his name or saying he is the second largest shareholder in NEWSCORP ask your grandkids, jon Stewart did a whole thing on it but sadly you DON’T WANT TO KNOW like I said just CHOOSE to be stupid all your life

“I distrust Fox news because they have repeatedly demonstrated to me that they don’t care about the facts or honesty as long as they can create a controversy and make money from it.” Unlike CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, USA Today, Media Matters, HuffPo, WaPo, The Grey Lady, Baltimore Sun, LA TImes…

CosmosDan said:
You’re missing that the point isn’t about whether Alaweed funds can be connected to terrorism , since Fox made the accusation and never backed it up. The point is about how Fox has inadvertently {perhaps?} caught themselves in their own faulty reasoning and dishonest twisting of the facts. It’s not about applying logic to the facts. It’s about applying Fox’s own non logic to their own distortions.

I’m not sure we need a new word for it but sadly, when you follow other news stories about anti Muslim sentiment all over the country, this hyped up controversy has revealed a lot of religious intolerance aimed at Islam. I’m fine with a real discussion about the growing presence of Islam in America. I suppose we need it at this point. What I don’t think we need is a major so called news network fanning the fires of of religious intolerance with dishonesty.

I’ve attempted to find out what FNC reported specially about Al-Waleed via google and can find nothing.

What show impugned him and I’ll find the transcript.

Iris said:
Jeeze cecelia just CHOOSE to be stupid all your life, you don’t have to take anybodys word for anything, LOOK IT UP the video is everywhere from the fox and freaks calling their owner a terrorist without mentioning his name or saying he is the second largest shareholder in NEWSCORP ask your grandkids, jon Stewart did a whole thing on it but sadly you DON’T WANT TO KNOW like I said just CHOOSE to be stupid all your life

Iris, if the man’s name is not mentioned how do you know that they are specifically talking about Al-Waleed?

Also, by “fox and freaks”, are you suggesting that this was something that was said on Fox and Friends?

Cecelia said:
Also, by “fox and freaks”, are you suggesting that this was something that was said on Fox and Friends?

I have to say I view Gretchen O’Van Karlson as a national treasure. As Jon Oliver says, “She looks it up, and still gets it wrong.” She is immensely funny. And when Kilmeade does one of his homoerotic quasi-athletic activities, and the Gretch moves to the edge of that obnoxious sofa, starts clapping and cackling until she wets herself, sheer magic!

Keep the pot boiling and turn up the heat,
If there be murder, assault or riot ,
What of it, that’s simply our fans red meat ,
Of course, it’s not news, but they’ll still buy it.

CosmoDan,

Are you basing your remarks on the exchange I just watched of Dan Senor with the hosts of Fox and Friends?

Cecelia said:
CosmoDan,

Are you basing your remarks on the exchange I just watched of Dan Senor with the hosts of Fox and Friends?

Am I bashing my own remarks? I don’t think so, but then again, I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

Oh for Gods sake , cece just google jon stewart + fox and friends,

Pablo said:
Boy, that right wing sure is getting big. Poll: Most Say “Ground Zero Mosque” Is Inappropriate

A similar number of people, as a percentage, were anti-Mormon, until fairly recently.

CosmosDan said:
Am I bashing my own remarks? I don’t think so, but then again, I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

I’m asking exactly what and where Fox News reported about Al-Waleed being linked to terrorism and that he’s funding the Islamic Center.

gordonbloyershow said:
paulmdoro, being sensitive is ONLY important if the Muslims that want to build this Mosque really want to reach out to the American people or they just want to stick their thumb in our eye. It is their choice, make enemies or make friends.

Yes, but you lean toward enemies. For what?

So in order to justify your hurt feelings, you want the Islamics to acknowledge that the complaint against it has merit and move the mosque out of concern for the 911 victims “feelings”? Islam itself has some responsibility for the crazies who bombed 911? That is like Christianity saying, yes, you may ban Churches in Arabia, and treat Christians as complicit in terror because of the slaughter by Christians, and the intended “ethnic cleansing” of Islamics in Bosnia, with 30,000 deaths to Islamics.

The King often talks about women ‘wetting themselves’. Don’t care to go into the psychological implications of that.

valkyrie101 said:
A similar number of people, as a percentage, were anti-Mormon, until fairly recently.

The Real Royal King is still a holdout.

Considering that FNC has aired numerous pro-Islamic Center guests and contributors, if the contention that the channel cynically caught itself in its own smear game is based solely on Dan Senor remarks on Fox and Friends (and a Stewart parody), I’m going to be kicking myself for sitting here waiting on this crap.

Cecelia said:
Considering that FNC has aired numerous pro-Islamic Center guests and contributors, if the contention that the channel cynically caught itself in its own smear game is based solely on Dan Senor remarks on Fox and Friends (and a Stewart parody), I’m going to be kicking myself for sitting here waiting on this crap.

So you vote, “stupid”?

You have an awesome Icon, cecelia. I love that.

valkyrie101 said:
You have an awesome Icon, cecelia. I love that.

Are you coming on to me, valk?

Cecelia said:
Are you coming on to me, valk?

Is that the male flower on top?

valkyrie101 said:
Is that the male flower on top?

Do you want it to be?

Cecelia said:
Considering that FNC has aired numerous pro-Islamic Center guests and contributors, if the contention that the channel cynically caught itself in its own smear game is based solely on Dan Senor remarks on Fox and Friends (and a Stewart parody), I’m going to be kicking myself for sitting here waiting on this crap.

Sorry if you’re disappointed. Yes that’s it. A passing unsubstantiated reference to Park 51 money being tainted by claiming a unnamed investor from the Kingdom Foundation funds radical Madrasahs all over and linking him, with no evidence at all, to Park 51. Isn’t the intent fairly obvious? Jon just pointed out that this same unnamed investor is a major stock holder in News Corp as well. Fox regularly uses the guilt by very loose association to suggest some hidden evil plan. Jon did another piece about it this week demonstrating how dishonest and downright stupid it is. The difference this time was that they have an obvious connection themselves so if AlaWeed is a bad guy {and they offered nothing to show he was, they just insinuated it} then their own connection must be questioned because that’s exactly the game they play.

For me, they are so obviously dishonest in their presentation on most of their opinion shows that I think it’s insulting to their viewers. It serves to divide us as Americans rather than help us find solutions together.

Keep your pistil under control, valk.

I’d like to also mention that here on Mediate and another board I frequent I see a lot of people insulting each other and using terms to lump all right wingers and lefties into one group, as if nobody thinks for themselves. It seems like insults and sarcasm is more enjoyable than an informed discussion. I’m guilty as well. IMO it’s not helping at all. People become defensive and stop listening. I’m going to make a concerted effort to address each issue separately and posters as individuals rather than as part of a group think. I’m going to try to not let my temper move me to refer to people as stupid or a moron and be less sarcastic {although I do appreciate good sarcasm as humor}

Cecelia said:
Do you want it to be?

Isn’t that what the scriptures say?

writer said:
Keep your pistil under control, valk.

Nothing like a little innuendo and flower puns to ease the tension. Stamen the course people.

valkyrie101 said:
Isn’t that what the scriptures say?

The Bible or the Koran?

CosmosDan said:
The difference this time was that they have an obvious connection themselves so if AlaWeed is a bad guy {and they offered nothing to show he was, they just insinuated it} then their own connection must be questioned because that’s exactly the game they play.

Let’s be crystal and say by “they” you mean Fox News contributor Dan Senor.

Did I mention that I am an archeologist specializing in Mayan symbolism? It prophesizes that woman will be on top, in the last days, before time stops.

Thus, Nancy Pelosi.

valkyrie101 said:
Thus, Nancy Pelosi.

Thus the “last days”.

I thought four horsemen were supposed to appear before we saw Nancy Pelosi.

They already appeared:.Newt, Armey, McCain, Orin Hatch.

Jon Stewart has been reading my posts on this site. At least it’s proof he’s capable of learning something.

valkyrie101 said:
Did I mention that I am an archeologist specializing in Mayan symbolism? It prophesizes that woman will be on top, in the last days, before time stops.

I like it when women are on top.