The circular firing squad continues..they need to aim better and get it over with.

I don’t understand her point! you have a story don’t tell it because you might not gain access next time. No wonder W. and Cheney, Wolfowitx, Romsfel, Powell and the other jokers sold an illegal war to the Country. The press as usual betray the people they are meant to be serving. This is poor, poor, poor. Their is no need to limit the freedom of the press, they are already working for the Government. If its a right wing they have an ally in Fox. If it’s a left wing Govt., they have MSNBC. If it’s the Military, you have ‘Journalists’ like this one. Crap!

Go Matt! GlennZilla’s been all over this too.

Apparently, one must not upset the Judith Miller model of conveyor belt journalism. Rather than speaking truth to power “real” journalist speak for power or they’re on the outside in a heartbeat.

While conservatives continue their forty year jihad on “the liberal media”, the few remaining actual journalists not angling for a better table on the cocktail weenie circuit are demonized and marginalized.

The right wing Wurlitzer destroys democracy one lie at a time. WMD anyone?

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I don’t understand her point! you have a story don’t tell it because you might not gain access next time. No wonder W. and Cheney, Wolfowitx, Romsfel, Powell and the other jokers sold an illegal war to the Country.”

Nice lie. The Congress approved force against Iraq. It was in all the papers.

Congress Passes Iraq Use of Force Resolution
Iraq must now disarm and comply with U.N., says President Bush

• The White House: Responding to Terrorism

Dateline: 10/11/02

The U.S. Congress yesterday passed a resolution authorizing President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States against Iraq.

I think Matt wrote a great piece there, and its refreshing to see people besides comedians saying this stuff. When Stewart went on Crossfire, he wasn’t saying not to do that type of show. He was saying, don’t play the game and ask real questions. The so called reputable journalists care more about access than about the story. They pick and choose stories to cover that won’t jeopardise their access. I could guarantee one thing, if news actually stopped protecting their access and reporting the whole story, viewership numbers wouldn’t be in such a quick decline.

The right wing Wurlitzer destroys democracy one lie at a time. WMD anyone?”

Yes, I remember some people talking about WMD:

From Sandy Berger, document thief and President Clinton’s National Security Advisor:

“Imagine the consequences if Saddam fails to comply and we fail to act. Saddam will be emboldened, believing the international community has lost its will. He will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. And some day, some way, I am certain, he will use that arsenal again, as he has ten times since 1983.” – Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University, February 18, 1998

Madeleine Albright, President Clinton’s Secretary of State:
“Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.” – Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University, February 18, 1998

Next we feature statements by two democrat contenders for the presidency:

“Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price.” – Senator Hillary Clinton, During an interview on CBS Evening News with Dan Rather, September 13, 2001

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members… It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well, effects American security. *** This is a very difficult vote, this is probably the hardest decision I’ve ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction.” – Senator Hillary Clinton, Addressing the US Senate, October 10, 2002

“My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. I’m a co-sponsor of the bipartisan Resolution that’s presently under consideration in the Senate. Saddam Hussein’s regime is a grave threat to America and our allies. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he’s used them in the past, and that he’s doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability. *** Democracy will not spring up by itself overnight in a multi-ethnic, complicated society that’s suffered under one repressive regime after another for generations. The Iraqi people deserve and need our help to rebuild their lives and to create a prosperous, thriving, open society. All Iraqis, including Sunnis, Shia and Kurds, deserve to be represented. This is not just a moral imperative. It’s a security imperative. It is in America’s national interest to help build an Iraq at peace with itself and its neighbors, because a democratic, tolerant and accountable Iraq will be a peaceful regional partner, and such an Iraq could serve as a model for the entire Arab world.” – Senator John Edwards, Speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, October 7, 2002

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” S
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.”
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …”
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

@notsofast
You seem to choose what you want to respond to. You ignored the main point that I was referring to, they lied! who do you think they lie to? the average shmuck, well including the general public, the congress, the Military and all stakeholders. Later some members of congress claimed they would have vted otherwise if they knew the truth. Blah too late.

The only place their lie wasn’t been sold was at the U.N, when all the other nations called their bluff. I bet you were one of those or if you were not aware of politics then chose to avoid French wines, cause they weren’t buying the crap Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell were selling. Rumsfeld called the Germans and French old europe, this is still fresh in my mind. And the press were silent like bunch of cowards or opportunist who do not want to loose their credentials with the Admin.

Now you have this one coming out saying he shouldn’t have posted it. I don’t care about the Rolling Stone article, but it exposes their mindset of killing stories that might affect the position of their friends in positions of authority, even-though it might be against national interest.

Kam, if Bush was lying about Iraq and the majority of Dems in congress voted for the war resolution, then what does that say about them? They’re gullible? They’re stupid? They don’t check into things for themselves before making a vote? Which is it?

I don’t care about any of these “journalists.” They can all go the h*ll if you ask me. the general and his staff should have known better than to trust a “reporter.” Sorry McCrystal but you should have been smarter than that. I think this article is going to set back military/ media relations for some years. After McCrystal banned Mike Yon from reporting, I knew he had some serious issues. Besides, who really believes that the Rolling Stones is a legitimate publication anyway. During my time in Iraq, I stayed away from reporters because of crap like this.

@writer
Bush and his cronies were liars, the Dems that voted for it were cowards who were afraid of being called unpatriotic by the Liars and Criminals. Ron Paul stood against his parties and pleaded with all the House members to be careful about their decision. The last time I checked Republicans were running the house then and majority voted for it except 6 out of 221. Majority of the Blues voted Nay and the cowards voted for it.

I’ve despised the Media ever since the Iraq war, I’ve had mistrust of them before. But to deny the people the basic truth is deplorable and despicable. How can you have check and balance when they won’t tell you the true story or just kill stories. The consequence of that kind of despicable behaviour is IRAQ.

@Liberty Banned

I hope the military/media relationships are set back for some years. IMO, a reporter cannot report everything when they themselves are a part of the story. A bias (whether good or bad) will form and the story is given a slant—a us versus them (because quite frankly it is).

So three cheers to upsetting the status quo in the military/media relationships. The media needs to do a better job, and being given access to a pr department is not cutting it. There are great stories and awful stories happening abroad, and chances are we won’t hear most of the best stories because our media is so caught up in making themselves the story.

During Clinton’s administration, it was believed that Iraq had WMDs. British intelligence also believed it. Many countries believed it. There’s a difference between being mistaken and lying. If it was a lie, it wasn’t just Bush. It was half the countries on earth.

his fellow Rolling Stone writer Matt Taibbi: “Here’s CBS’s chief foreign correspondent saying out loud on TV that when the man running a war that’s killing thousands of young men and women every year steps on his own dick in front of a journalist, that journalist is supposed to eat the story so as not to embarrass the flag… ”

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Oh the Irony..

IT IS HOWEVER, quite OK, to sit under Obamas desk & his Left Wing cohorts,
pulling ‘Lewinskys” left and right, burying stories and peddling left wing propaganda
on a daily basis, stories that really matter, on tons of Left Wing major News Outlets….

That’s ok?

Journalism is dead because of Left Wing Bias & Corruption. That simple.

Personally, I think McChrystal knew exactly what he was doing,
Rolling Stone
knowing or not, did him a favor.
RStone would have to wake up pretty early in the morning to
screw a Black Op’s General and affect an ongoing WAR>!
To think otherwise is not only naive it is stupid.

Taibbis sudden outrage at journalistic integrity ,ethics &
dedication to their craft,
is laughable.

@writer
Get this in you head, am not an idealogue like you. When your excuses for Bush ran out you are trying to find some blame on Dems. I don’t care about Dems or GOP. I’m pissed of at the media that hides the fact to make their friends in Govt. happy. Iraq war was at the highest of malpractice in journalism in America. Plain and simple.

Good to know you’re not an ideologue in your hatred of Bush.

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@notsofast
You seem to choose what you want to respond to. You ignored the main point that I was referring to, they lied!”

So then did Clinton, Kerry, Clinton, etc. And who did they lie to?the average shmuck, well including the general public, the congress, the Military and all stakeholders.

Thanks for showing that you are a lib hypocrite.

Logan is just mad no one is paying attention to her. If she was doing her job, breaking stories that matter instead having tea in 5 star hotels, then we might pay attention to her.

I have some sympathy for her, as I’m sure she has had some stories that her so-called “liberal media” bosses at CBS would never let her air.

But it is her job to fight to get those stories on the air. The way she treated Hastings shows just how petty she is, and how she may no longer be on the side of telling the truth.

Thank good for real journalists and editors with balls (that’s Rolling Stone).

Thank good for real journalists and editors with balls (that’s Rolling Stone).”

Yes, our policies should depend on what RS writes.

Eyes roll.

writer said:
During Clinton’s administration, it was believed that Iraq had WMDs. British intelligence also believed it. Many countries believed it. There’s a difference between being mistaken and lying. If it was a lie, it wasn’t just Bush. It was half the countries on earth.

You’re so right here.

To believe that Bush lied means that you have to believe that either virtually ALL pols, high office holders from both parties and such disparate intel agencies as Israel, Syria, Jordan, the Brits (considered among the best) had lied for a decade or that they were all fooled AND GWB et al found out in just one year that it was all a lie or a mistake but used it anyway to wage an unjust war.

If you can swallow that you can swallow anything.

I’ve always kinda’ felt Taibbi was a biased, self-important and self-aggrandizing douche, although I always kind of liked his dad.

Kam Fet says:
June 29, 2010 at 12:47 pm

Jim R says:
June 29, 2010 at 12:51 pm

What in the hell are you talking about?

Wonder how long has this been planned? This, to me sounds as if this was a plan to do exactly what it idid. Anyone know what Hastings had against McChrystal? Maybe he just wants MORE and more publicity because he isn’t getting enough now. Well, he can just stop now. He has done what No other journalist would ever do and he isn’t to be thanked for it. He would never write another article for MY magazine, IF I had one.

All of this talk of “who could known Saddam didn’t have WMD?”, or “everyone thought he had them”, is laughably and demonstrably false (thanks for all the quotes from those serving the administration that DIDN’T invade Iraq, by the way).

For starters, where’s the discussion about Cheney’s Doug Feith-led Defense Department shadow intelligence unit stove-piping intelligence discarded by the CIA directly to the VP’s office?

How about the dozen or so unprecedented personal visits to Langley by the Vice-President of The United States pressuring agents for any excuse to justify invading?

How about the “eighteen words” personally removed from Bush’s speech by CIA Director Tenet? Who put them back in and why? Etc, etc, etc.

Cheney orchestrated the whole thing and history will prove it, despite all the revisionist rhetoric from the petrified right wing, peddling like mad to avoid accountability as usual.

@writer
Are you kidding me? I have to be a non right winger to see that W and his Crony’s were wrong. Tell that to the average Iraqis whose life was manageable under Saddam, but destroyed after the ill conceived war. You have to be a leftist to see that the war was not necessary, and has bolster Iran’s strength in the region. You must kidding me! I ber Ron Paul and the other 5 Republicans who voted against the war are also on the camp of hate W. Gimme a break and think, would you follow a path that leads to your destruction because the GOP says its the right way? Open your eyes and analyse issues wherever the information comes from Left or Right.

Jim R says:
June 29, 2010 at 7:14 pm

So you completely deny or ignore the value of statements made by prominent Democrats years before the invasion, and in the lead up to the invasion?

Talk about re-writing history. Yeesh.

Kam Fet says:
June 29, 2010 at 7:17 pm

Tell that to the average Iraqis whose life was manageable under Saddam, but destroyed after the ill conceived war.

I always said, the moment the left starts defending Saddam, they’ve lost the argument and the American people.

What a statement, Kam. Saddam’s rape rooms, were better? Saddam’s sons killing people for sport, was better? Saddam gassing huge sections of his own people because they weren’t part of the right group, was better?

What an insult.

You have to be a leftist to see that the war was not necessary, and has bolster Iran’s strength in the region. You must kidding me!

There’s a big difference between “necessary,” and “better off without.” Some of the goals we set to achieve turned out to be impossible (WMDs for example), however that’s not to say the people there will not eventually recover to a better society than they had under a merciless and murdering dictator. It’s not so black and white.

I ber Ron Paul and the other 5 Republicans who voted against the war are also on the camp of hate W.

Why is it always “hate” with the left? Can’t you disagree without “hating” everything? Hate is what little kids say and do because they can’t cope. Grow up already.

Gimme a break and think, would you follow a path that leads to your destruction because the GOP says its the right way? Open your eyes and analyse issues wherever the information comes from Left or Right.

HA! Coming from you! HA again!

Matt Taibbi continues his march towards me loving him. Lara Logan embarrassed herself in that interview.

@ImNotBlue
You must be kidding me, I’ve gone through this before. Rapes, killing, infrastructure that were destroyed after the invasion is not like what it was under saddam. I don’t care about Saddam, W. lied to go to war and the consequence has made the place a hell hole that could have ever been imagined.

And talking about hate, that’s why you should mind your own business, if you read the comment I was replying to you would see that I was referring to what he said, so put your crap in your pike and smoke it. haha, that’s why I ignored you, cause you tend to go off topic,blah.

Kam Fet says:
June 30, 2010 at 2:46 am

You must be kidding me, I’ve gone through this before. Rapes, killing, infrastructure that were destroyed after the invasion is not like what it was under saddam.

That sentence doesn’t make sense. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Are you saying it’s worse now? Are you saying it’s good those things were ended? Huh?

I don’t care about Saddam,

I would have guessed that. It’s part of the reason why you see this issue so short sighted.

W. lied to go to war and the consequence has made the place a hell hole that could have ever been imagined.

Well… again… no he didn’t. It’s a cute left-wing talking point to say, “he lied.” However, there’s no strong evidence of that. The majority of the world believed Saddam had weapons, Saddam wanted to world to believe he had weapons, and even the people working for him believed they had weapons. Saddam was playing poker with a pair of 2′s, and we called his bluff.

And if you think it’s worse now, than it was under Saddam… well, I guess we just have a different idea of what’s worse. People running their own lives, versus a cruel dictator raping, murdering, and torturing his own people.

And here I thought the left was all about “human rights.” Perhaps that’s simply conditional on if the right supports it too. Talk about the “party of ‘no’.”

And talking about hate, that’s why you should mind your own business, if you read the comment I was replying to you would see that I was referring to what he said, so put your crap in your pike and smoke it. haha, that’s why I ignored you, cause you tend to go off topic,blah.

Does any part of that paragraph make sense?

@ImNotBlue
You are the only moron left on earth that there’s WMD in Iraq. I rest my case. Please don’t refer to me and just move on with your blind following.

Kam Fet wrote:

You are the only moron left on earth that there’s WMD in Iraq. I rest my case. Please don’t refer to me and just move on with your blind following.
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Oops!

* Since 2003 Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.

* Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq’s pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist.

* Pre-Gulf War Iraqi chemical weapons could be sold on the black market. Use of these weapons by terrorists or insurgent groups would have implications for Coalition forces in Iraq. The possibility of use outside Iraq cannot be ruled out.

* The most likely munitions remaining are sarin and mustard-filled projectiles.

* The purity of the agent inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives, and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal.

* It has been reported in open press that insurgents and Iraqi groups desire to acquire and use chemical weapons.

“…The Foxbat is known to be one of Iraq’s top jet fighters. The advanced electronic reconnaissance version found by the U.S. Air Force is currently in service with the Russian air force. The MiG is capable of flying at speeds of over 2,000 miles an hour, or three times the speed of sound, and at altitudes of over 75,000 feet.The buried aircraft at Al Taqqadum were covered in camouflage netting, sealed and, in many cases, had their wings removed before being buried more than 10 feet beneath the Iraqi desert.”

“Top U.S. weapons inspector Dr. David Kay is known to favor human intelligence as the primary means to find Iraq’s hidden treasure trove of weapons and secrets. While there are rumors of Iraqi chemical and biological weapons being shipped to nearby Syria, the weapons may very well still remain inside Iraq buried under the vast desert wastelands.”

“Some critics of the Bush administration have claimed that the inability of U.S. forces to uncover weapons of mass destruction is proof that the president misled the nation into the war with Iraq. However, in recent days the critics have fallen silent as word quietly leaked from Iraq that major discoveries have already been made and are now being documented completely. Bush administration officials are keeping any such discoveries secret for the moment.”

Of course, if Hussein could bury One MiG-25 Foxbat in the Desert, then he couldn’t Possibly have buried More than 500 WMD out there Too. And 500 WMD aren’t as Sexy as 5,000 to the MSM Either. And He couldn’t have hustled More WMD off to Syria while We were dicking around at the Oil-For-Food UN waiting for its “Permission” to Go into Iraq, when what we SHOULD’VE Done is what Billy Jeff did w/Bosnia. Just say F’K THE UN and it’s Permission Slip. GO! Nope. None of the Above Happened. EVER. It’s all lies, lies, LIES! lol.

Oh, and Btw, Why didn’t any Libs offer themselves up as Lab Rats to Test those 500 pre-Gulf War WMDs when they Were found to See if, in fact, they Had denegerated and Were now all “harmless”? Because I would’ve been Happy to apply Them to a Put Up Or STFU Test.

Put That on PPV to help pay for our Wounded Vets? Are you Kidding Me? Oh Hell Yes! Lol.

Kam Fet says:
June 30, 2010 at 12:41 pm

Try reading what I wrote again… and show me where I said that? I didn’t. Not even close to it.