When one of the left’s own makes incredibly offensive statements, it’s amusing. If a conservative says something that could be construed by one person as being offensive, it’s scandalous. Got it. Thanks, Frances.

Glad you think it’s funny, Frances.

i wish grayson would cover his head. thats one fugly dude, is he a hairlip?

And by calling Grayson a “pubic” figure, should we assume his comments are all based from the nether regions?

Alan Grayson for 2012

At times I admire Grayson’s nerve and outspoken style ,….and then there’s this. He’s way out of line. Even if that’s his sincere opinion he ought top have brains enough to keep it top himself.

Alan is our Michele Bachmann, only better looking.

They’re both stone cold crazy but we are not going to let the right own all the crazy anymore.

We will match you nut for nut.

Grayson will be out of a job soon anyway, not too worried about him. But then he’ll get a show at MSNBC.

I see the mantra lately has been “ok we get it that “racist” is overdone, we’ll just use innuendo from now on”

I get it that 25years is a decent time ago but yeah it’s 1985….Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Arcades, Atari, MTV and one hit wonders, punk, Cable TV with like 20stations and HBO (no i don’t remember how many channels were out) I was only 8 so this is what i remember.

Maybe if I was older in ’85 I would’ve seen the news when the horseback hoods were running roughshod over the southern states, of course that was only like 10years or so after the Confederacy was crushed so it’s reasonable to think there was a large KKK contingent

And Frances says this:

Florida Rep. Alan Grayson is a lively pubic figure, and having established a fairly solid public image (for better or worse),

Yup, he is a lively public figure, established image……

Just compare this to Frances discussion of anyone republican, whether they say something outrageous or not, I can assure you it is never: “lively public figure….established…image”.

Poor Dan, just more embarrassment from his writers.

TfT said:
Poor Dan, just more embarrassment from his writers.

YOU FORGOT TO MENTION RUG-GATE!! THAT WASN’T A MISTAKE OBAMA LIED INTENTIONALLY!!!

HE IS A LOW-DOWN DIRTY CARPET-LIAR!!!!

I BET HIS BATHROOM RUG HAS THAT LIE ABOUT SNOOKI ON IT!!!

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Alan Grayson for 2012

Ditto!

Grayson should be required to wear a sheet over his ugly mug, every time he steps outside.

This maniac, Grayson, is such a backrow POS, if he didn’t make statements
like this, you would not be able to locate this ugly bastard with a GPS, if he
had the antenna attached to his ugly ass.
Speaking of ugly, I have seen this Miller woman before. You can almost smell
that skank throught the TV screen. Betting this gal has fleas ! Whoa !
But I had never seen or heard
of this Liz Winstead.
WHERE IN THE HELL did MSNBC find this one?
My God that is one ugly
woman..She can practice birth control simply be keeping the lights on..Damn!!
Frances , in your article you referred to Grayson as a pubic figure.
That probably said it all !

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Alan Grayson for 2012

will obama be his VP running mate?

Don’t agree with Grayson… Some on the right fringe are pretty nasty… most Tea Party folks are good and decent Americans expressing concern and frustration as is their right…

His statements are situated in a context where conservative media and politicians make all sorts of absurd statements about our president being a foreign, manchurian, communistic muslim nazi…

He is certainly wrong but not half as bad as a portion of those he criticizes…

“one of whom invited Miller, Grayson, and “Ed” (we assume liberal radio show host Ed Schultz) to a counter-rally to show the American right that they have a challenge ahead of them.”

Yo Ed, I suggest you hold your rally in January when it is real cold in DC. That way you’ll have a ready-made excuse when the media asks you why no one showed up.

MSNBC,Alan, and the Palin bashers will push Independents over to the RIGHT side!!

He is twice as nasty as any Klansman.
That’s truly a man with his hate on.
In other words a typical Democrat.

We can’t lose with this guy.
Either he loses his job in November or we get two more years of making a fool out of himself as his party is destroyed.
Sweet.

Stephanie Miller is a great woman who brings the greatest guests on her show. Conservatives hate on her b/c she is beautiful and intelligent. Unlike conservative women who are beautiful and lost in the Kool-aid.

Hey Alan, your race card is getting frayed and folded and bent-up and scuffed. Maybe it’s time to throw it away? Then again, you’re either ashamed or incapable of standing up and defending your agenda of big government and high taxes and intrusive federal control of all aspects of our lives, and borrowing money from the Chinese until they won’t lend us any more, and passing trillion dollar bills without reading them. So I guess you feel forced to keep playing that frayed race card until it falls to pieces. Which, by my measure, will happen sometime in early November.

Oh come on BFD; don’t get your panties in a was because the one got it wrong (again)! Rug-gate: I like that. Good thinking good buddy.

was=wad

So the Oct 2 march on Washington by One Nation or Whatever, is a march thatt
was already scheduled by this group of lefty nut jobs?
Now everyone saw Mr ED, the Talking Horses Ass coming up with some sort of
march or demonstration OR something, thinking he must one-up Beck. OK ! NOW HE is the FACE of this march!
He is going to get the Union thugs to push as many people there as possible! He has a small,
very small, group of listeners and a dozen or two viewers from his MSNBC Show. They can most likely
round up another group of winos and addicts from the street corners in DC Offer a forty or a pack of butts
OR something!. Who knows? It is possible !
I don’t believe he will ever get the Numbers Beck did, BUT, it will be spinned in Horses Ass
favor by the MSM regardless. But here is my point, however long it took me to get here!!
MR.ED, you are STILL FOLLOWING BECK!! This march is the SECOND ONE!! HELLO!!!!
LMAO

Alan looks like one of those dudes you see on NBC’s ” To catch a Predator ” series.

TfT said:
Rug-gate: I like that. Good thinking good buddy.

Try and spread it around. I want to stumble on one of my sayings on another site so I’ll be internet-famous.

Teaturd and teablogger too.

Look, Glenn (JESUS) Beck knows which side his BUTTER is BREADED on!!!1 There are TONS of Right-Thinking Americans out there who are SCARED TO DEATH about this Once Proud Republic losing its standing… things aren’t AWESOME like they were in the 50′s!!!1 So we NEED someone to blame it on, and our SCARY KENYAN COMMIE MUSLIN PRESIDENT is a good place to start!!!1 Beck KNOWS that these people need to be brought TOGETHER and their political potential HARNESSED for his (and Sarah’s) use!!!1 He is a GENIUS – not a RACIST, but an excellent BUSINESSMAN!!!1

Karl

Yes!!1 All those uneducated hillbillies !!1 FOX NATION is the culprit!!!!!1 Barry promised change and transparency and has come thru !!!!!2 70% of the Us of A are TEA-BOOGERS!!!!1 How dare WE ask questions !!!1 After all Bush was hitler!1

Fired up !

Stupid and unfair comment. Grayson should apologize.

oh, the Left’s gonna have a march now? I don’t care how many people they get: what I want to see is how clean the Mall is when they leave. Beck’s crowd actually left it cleaner than they found it.

Grayson is indeed the gift that keeps on giving. I don’t think anyone really believes the Beck rally was a KKK rally, tho, not even the liberals. I think they’d like to talk themselves into believing it, because it’s important to their worldview, but even they can see that wasn’t the case.

there’s some cognitive dissonance going around, I think.

Charming contributions to this thread JobBob!

“Speaking of ugly, I have seen this Miller woman before. You can almost smell
that skank throught the TV screen.”

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Ruth Gretzinger said:
oh, the Left’s gonna have a march now?

I hope not. The left can never draw as many people as the right. Not on the radio, TV, the internet or the Mall.

Most people only become motivated when they are angry, that is why most Letters to the Editor and from consumers to companies are negative. When people are unhappy you will hear from them.

The Right has always been more pissed-off than the Left.

The rally would be Ed’s folly.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Alan Grayson for 2012

Hell yeah…because we all know that guy has about as much chances as “57 states” Obama.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
The Right has always been more pissed-off than the Left.

On Nov 3, the Left will be more pissed-off than the Right. Guarantee it.

Ruth Gretzinger said:
oh, the Left’s gonna have a march now?

I hope it’s not a bunch of white people marching and rallying. That would be racist.

BFD, pigs must be flying because you are actually correct.

The reason the right seems to be angrier is because the PROFESSIONAL LEFT is telling them how to live their lives. The right doesn’t tell the left now to live their lives, just obey the law.

What does the PROFESSIONAL LEFT have to be mad about?

it’s not the Left that’s the problem , it’s the right.

You buy into the BS that Sarah Palin is not the winning ticket. You’re ashamed of her , and wish she would go away .

It’s not about controlling the House or Senate . It’s about real change people. Wake up and vote conservative not popular opinion .

murf said:
Karl

Yes!!1 All those uneducated hillbillies !!1 FOX NATION is the culprit!!!!!1 Barry promised change and transparency and has come thru !!!!!2 70% of the Us of A are TEA-BOOGERS!!!!1 How dare WE ask questions !!!1 After all Bush was hitler!1

Fired up !

You are a moron.

Hmm, 1985. Oh Right! 1985 wasn’t TOO long after Democrats BECAME Democrats after they’d been Dixiecrats First, and ALL Their local KKK Chapters had been calling for the Extermination of “Dark-Skinned Peoples, Jews, Catholics, and ALL Them THAR HomoSEX’els!” because They were just Country Boys “trying to get elected” And Re-Elected, for Years, and Years, and Years and YEARS, Congressman Flinstone. So Nice Try, But Epic Fail Once Again, Congressman Flinstone.

Oh, and Btw, You’re what they call a “Progressive” Now. Ain’t Ya? Jagoff.

TCinAZ said:
Hmm, 1985. Oh Right! 1985 wasn’t TOO long after Democrats BECAME Democrats after they’d been Dixiecrats First, and ALL Their local KKK Chapters had been calling for the Extermination of “Dark-Skinned Peoples, Jews, Catholics, and ALL Them THAR HomoSEX’els!” because They were just Country Boys “trying to get elected” And Re-Elected, for Years, and Years, and Years and YEARS, Congressman Flinstone. So Nice Try, But Epic Fail Once Again, Congressman Flinstone.

Oh, and Btw, You’re what they call a “Progressive” Now. Ain’t Ya? Jagoff.

Dun gradiated the sixth grade ah see. Cungratulations sparkee!

Ted , you’re a special kind of stupid . I see you still have no comment on the subject at hand, but rather spew insults . You must be proud .

murf said:
Ted , you’re a special kind of stupid . I see you still have no comment on the subject at hand, but rather spew insults . You must be proud .

Your still a moron.

Sorry Ted , I don’t have my Asshole to English dictionary , I can’t translate .

murf said:
Sorry Ted , I don’t have my Asshole to English dictionary , I can’t translate .

Still a moron.

Actually, Ted, I Dun’ Graduated Wenworth Military Academy, Class of 86′ JC, and I’m also fluent in Greek. So I Sprechen the UNvarnished Truth of what Really IS the “Religion Of Peace”, and who those Philistine Squatters in The land Of The IHOP Pancake Breakfast Really Are. Not what my Idiot Brethren IN Greece have seemingly Forgotten about and what Our English-Lingo “History” books tell us Now. Like bout’ how They Invented Calligraphy (Uh,Greek Word) Post-632AD (etc.) yet the Koran is still written is Chicken Scratch, or why it Is that they don’t even practice Sheryl Crow’s One Sheeter Policy in Kabul yet. Nope. It’s Still “Take Your Pashtun to Work Day” Down Yonder. But I Digress.

TCinAZ said:
Actually, Ted, I Dun’ Graduated Wenworth Military Academy, Class of 86′ JC, and I’m also fluent in Greek. So I Sprechen the UNvarnished Truth of what Really IS the “Religion Of Peace”, and who those Philistine Squatters in The land Of The IHOP Pancake Breakfast Really Are. Not what my Idiot Brethren IN Greece have seemingly Forgotten about and what Our English-Lingo “History” books tell us Now. Like bout’ how They Invented Calligraphy (Uh,Greek Word) Post-632AD (etc.) yet the Koran is still written is Chicken Scratch, or why it Is that they don’t even practice Sheryl Crow’s One Sheeter Policy in Kabul yet. Nope. It’s Still “Take Your Pashtun to Work Day” Down Yonder. But I Digress.

well sparkee – it seamz yu were able to bullshit yer way throo skool. Still prettee much an imbecile thoo. Yoo kan peddle the greak bullshit to yer teabagging nitwits…ah..k moran?

The right should encourage people like Grayson. The only thing that will alienate the great white middle faster than right-wing extremists are left-wing extremists casually calling them racists in the service of a black President who can’t create jobs.

Ted- said:
Asshole

Ted, fixating again! Concentrate, you can think of other things.

We are soooooo embarrassed for ya, FLORIDA!

Greg said:
His statements are situated in a context where conservative media and politicians make all sorts of absurd statements about our president being a foreign, manchurian, communistic muslim nazi…

What is Obama hiding and why?

dummy123 said:
MSNBC,Alan, and the Palin bashers will push Independents over to the RIGHT side!!

They already have!

Karl Spensen said:
we NEED someone to blame it on, and our SCARY KENYAN COMMIE MUSLIN PRESIDENT is a good place to start!!!

You Betcha!

That’s what he is and he’s going DOwnnnnn!

Rethuglicans are “special” people.

Tammy Bruce: “…it [gay community] is certainly never a community that is associated with being uh…limp.”

http://www.palintv.com/2010/09/04/tammy-bruce-talks-to-goproud-chair-christopher-barron-september-3-2010/

Why does anybody even talk to this buffoon? who the hell voted for him??

“Rep. Alan Grayson: Restoring Honor Attendees ‘Were Wearing Sheets Over Their Heads’ In 1985″

Wow they came along way Since then. Good for them. Must have been something to do with Dr. King leading this nation into seeing the error of its ways.. You see “We” can change.To bad Alan Grayson can’t see that. but then again that would mean pulling his head out of his ass….

Ted- said:
Your still a moron.

You used four words to call someone’s intellect into question, yet used the wrong version of one. Interesting.

I’m glad you didn’t call me out. How would I deflect such wit?

Let me get this straight, it’s OK to call the President of the United States a Satan-loving, Islamo-fascist-marxist-communist-socialist, bastard, witch doctor who’s hiding his homosexuality along with his real birth certificate, but Alan Grayson goes a little overboard in missing the history of the 99.9% white crowd at Beck’s Whitestock by a single generation and he’s waaaaaay out of line? Well, of course he is on neo-con fantasy island.

How dare anyone speak of white America’s God-given supremacy complex in anything but the most respectful of terms? How dare anyone question white America’s right to not be spooked by having non-whites in the White House? It was bad enough the Satanic liberals were going to force that demonic witch, Hillary Clinton, down America’s throat, but at least she was WHITE! No way Obama won that election fair and square because America is clearly NOT ready for a black President. So the damn all-powerful liberals MUST have used their evil Satanic gifts to steal the election so they could institute Sharia law and turn America into one giant, Islamo-fascist-socialist-maoist-wiccan, gay-pride commune with patchouli and burkhas mandated by law. And anyone who doesn’t see that coming is just naive!

Paul Westlake said:

dude come back when youve got some hair on your nuts or, youve actually done something with your life. you write like a know-it-all child who is just found out his poli-sci degree isnt worth shit…

Paul – That’s exactly the point . Your cry baby Alan , can dish it out but can’t take it in .

This Grayson dude is not worthy of the office he holds. Likewise, this Paul Westlake dude is not worthy of a comment, except to say that his posting is drivel and causes the eyes to glaze over with the first paragraph. Paul, your writing is predictable, sophmoric, with the only plus being that the hour is late and your writing does have a soporific effect.

While I never supported the man’s politics, I kind of enjoyed his unapologetic style. He has, however, gone so far off the deep end that the people he attacks don’t seem to care any more. Nothing worse than being laughed at even when you throw bombs like this.

What I said before was not know-it-all…

Well, that’s why I don’t have a degree in poli-sci, or art history, or film studies, or even business administration. The first three won’t earn you any cash and the last one won’t earn you any brains. If I was a child, I would understand you being a little reticent about my occasional overly-ornate use of the English language. But what you saw there was a more sophisticated form of sarcasm you may be familiar with, called satire. I think I’ve seen some brutish attempts at it around here a few times. Shall we talk about the quantum leap now? Or sonata allegro form? How about Charlie Chaplins movies? Or the similarities between the Jackson and Polk Presidencies?

Now THAT’S know-it-all. ;-)

As for hairy nuts… what is it with you people and your fixation with cock?

I guess I make some of you feel so inadequate that you feel the need to use terms like “predictable” and “sophomoric.” I look forward to the predictions of what I will say next. LOL

It is amusing how MSNBC spends so much time on each show starting with Chrissy @ 5 pm going after FOX. No matter what the jealous talking heads (Chrissy, Edie, Keithy and Mr. Maddow) do by making such fools of themselves, FOX continues to whip their sorry, wacko, liberal, leftwing agenda, butts night after night after night. Chrissy made a big deal of his special on right wingers and barely topped 1 million viewers that night. Everyone on FOX does that times 2,3 & 4 X’s nightly. So now MSNBC has decided to become the ‘HATE’ cable channel and are making FOX look like a bunch of choir boys at a Boy Scout retreat. That fatty Edie is going to explode in front of his viewers eyes one day soon. This big mouth fat ass has really allowed Glenn Beck to get under his layers of fat skin. Glenn Beck leads FatAss Ed Sgt. Schultz around by his nose. Fatso Ed tried to make our Oakland Raiders team but, coach Madden cut him before the season began. Fat Ed wants everyone to think he was some big deal football player but, at best he was a somewhat decent high school player and then played for some little unknown college that was smaller than most large high schools are today. Edie Schultz is nothing more than an angry, frustrated, big mouth, blowhard. It won’t be long before the higher ups at Comcast get tired of his constant bullshit. Alan Grayson is a favorite of all four of the MSNBC wackos so he gets a free ride as long as the 4 knuckleheads keep their jobs. At least it gives us lots of good laughs.

Constantly said:
dude come back when youve got some hair on your nuts or,

Why did you tell him that? Is that the only way you like to lick them, is with hair on them?

Ted said:
Yoo kan peddle the greak bullshit to yer teabagging nitwits…

Well You Axed me a Question, Mr. Mensa. So Ask, and you Shall Receive, an answer ,that you Clearly can’t Deal with.

Oh, and Btw Ted, Teabagging and Teabaggers as a Pejorative from the Party of GLAAD, Is It? Not to Mention all of those Charming House calls of, House N***er, and Uncle Tom, and Step n’ Fetch-It (“etc”) that have been Directed by you “Progressives” at Condi Rice, and Star Parker, and Judge Thomas, and Lt Col Allen West, and Armstrong and Walter Williams, and Thomas Sowell, and at General Powell when HE was on “Dark Side” Too.

Of course, He’s “Ok” w/You Progressives NOW, and You’d never, EVER hear the Same sort of House N***er, Teabagger, Uncle Tom, and Teabaggee-speak Vitriol directed at High-Profile minority or gay members of Your Movement if They were to stray from it, but still agreed with you about Some other stuff. Would Ya’? Like say, if an Alonzo Rachel, or a David Horowitz or a Tammy Bruce were to “stray”? Noo..Not You Guys.

So You Stalinst F..ks only feel That way about Our Black and Joo and Homo “folks” who’ve strayed into the “Dogma” of Free-Thinking Individuality and Personal Responsibility. Right? yeah.uh-uh. But you Don’t feel that way about your Own if they Also Skip a Jackboot-Lockstep Too. Nah. They won’t get “Gladney’ed” by SEIU Thugs, because They’re “Special”. Yup. Special. LOL!

Hey Ted,You know What? You can Change the party’s Name, but You Can’t Change its Game! Hell, You Guys Can’t Even Change Your Fucking Sheets. I mean, David DUKE!? Jesus, why not dig Up Jesse and Strom Too, while you’re At it? Then you’ll have all of Three “Confirmed” Republican “RACISTS!”. lol. Or, “Ya’ll” can just have a Looksee at The (D) KKK..KLEAGLE that You Buried a bit ago, who believed THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FIBJt-c2o0 LOL!

Yup. And they All Vote DIXIECRAT Every 4 And 6 Years, and they have the Collective IQ of ‘Roberto’ Boucher, Sr. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivttRxV7idY

Ted is a moron

Ted- said:
Your [sic] still a moron.

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Grayson was born a jackass and he’s going to die a jackass. Kendrick Meek, however, is that rare bird, a classy Democrat.

Good on ya, Mr. Meek.

TCinAZ said:
And they All Vote DIXIECRAT Every 4 And 6 Years…

“DIXIECRAT!?” ROFLMAO!!!

The “Dixiecrat” went extinct with the passage of the Civil Rights Act, dumbass.

And the only people I ever heard use pejorative terms to describe conservatives who act against their own interests, were those people who were members of that group and took offense. I don’t agree with the language that is often used but I’m not dumb enough to wade into THAT debate! Gays want to argue with gays over gay issues? Blacks want to argue with blacks over black issues? Go to town. I don’t have a ticket to that ride and I’m not crashing that party. Yeah, most of them are Democrats, for OBVIOUS reasons. You know what’s great about Democrats – we have DEBATES… about ISSUES! Amazing, huh? The GOP should try it sometime.

Oh, the reasons gays and blacks flock to the Dems in much larger numbers than Repubs is actually a mystery to you? Well… OK… see if you can follow…

LANGUAGE is not POLICY.
Dems may use ugly LANGUAGE once in a while, which is actually NOT politically correct… I know it’s a shock.
But Repubs use ugly POLICY to segregate races, genders, and creeds from white men, and steal then their money.
So, while people may take offense at what Dems SAY from time to time, they take offense at what Repubs DO all the time.

That should clear things up for you.

Happy Labor Day!

Paul Westlake said:
I guess I make some of you feel so inadequate that you feel the need to use terms like “predictable” and “sophomoric.” I look forward to the predictions of what I will say next. LOL

You wait alone.

If Grayson’s “party” had good arguments to defend their positions on the health care bill, raising taxes, illegal immigration or other issues that are really important to the American people he would not have to resort to the same old race baiting accusations and insults. It is irrelevant in 2010.

Phocus2 said:
You wait alone.

Actually, I went to sleep. So excellent predictions, folks. My next comment was, in fact, “….”

Well done, everyone. Here’s your virtual cookie. Don’t forget to share!

Paul Westlake said:
Actually, I went to sleep. So excellent predictions, folks. My next comment was, in fact, “….”

Well done, everyone. Here’s your virtual cookie. Don’t forget to share!

One person told you you’d be waiting for such predictions alone and everyone else ignored you. I think I’ll go back to doing that now. You really are awfully full of yourself and not terribly bright. ebay21 is a better commenter.

And you, Grayson, and your lib pals were wearing the sheets 25 years ago and you are wearing them today!

Paul Westlake said:
Let me get this straight, it’s OK to call the President of the United States a Satan-loving, Islamo-fascist-marxist-communist-socialist, bastard, witch doctor who’s hiding his homosexuality

Pardon me …. I thought at first you were referring to the the left’s characterization of Bush…..

Silly me.

btw… take you rmeds por favor.

Paul Westlake said:
You know what’s great about Democrats – we have DEBATES… about ISSUES! Amazing, huh? The GOP should try it sometime.

Good! I’m glad to hear it! Let’s ‘debate’ the (D) platform for 2011-12.

Oh wait…. that’s right….. I forgot. You don’t HAVE a platform. Just a bunch of pointy fingers.

‘Issues’ indeed. You’ve got ‘issues’ all right.

I wonder how many of those people who showed up at the Obimbo ceremony, are bitter that they showed up? I wonder how many people who voted for Grayson think their idiots for voting for this moron?

Arkansas Steve said:
The reason the right seems to be angrier is because the PROFESSIONAL LEFT is telling them how to live their lives. The right doesn’t tell the left now to live their lives, just obey the law.

You know…. this is EXACTLY right. You nailed it Steve. It reminded me of an article I read a while back.

Check this out……

http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=3141

This paragraph cuts to the heart of the matter but I highly suggest reading the whole piece. Excellent work from R. D. Walker.

“So this is the conflict of vision. Conservatives see liberals as, like themselves, self interested and treat them like they believe self interested people want to be treated: with a shrug and noninterference. Liberals, on the other hand, see conservatives as stubborn, selfish, greedy and evil – retrograde Neanderthals who refuse to be enlightened. It is the height of irony that conservatives get tagged as “haters” and liberals are deemed “tolerant.” The truth is exactly the opposite. Conservatives are extremely tolerant of the selfishness they see in themselves when they judge other people. Liberals, on the other hand, are usually very intolerant of what they see as stubborn refusal by conservatives to be enlightened. Liberals will not suffer a conservative speaker on a college campus and will shout him down and drive him from the lectern. Conservatives shouting down a liberal speaker is virtually unheard of. It is liberals who are the intolerant haters, not conservatives.”

btw leftwingers….. if you really want to sharpen your spears I highly recommend taking a hiatus from the Mothers Milk of Mediaite, venturing into the cold and unforgiving world of FearMongers and taking a stab at RD. But before you do, get off the kool-aid and arm yourself with something more than the SOS talking points…. they won’t last 10 seconds in A REAL DISCUSSION OF REAL ISSUES.

Oh… and Good Luck! You’re gonna need it…..

Paul Westlake said:
“DIXIECRAT!?” ROFLMAO!!!
Went extinct with the passage of the Civil Rights Act?

When and Why did they go extinct? Who sold you That Bullshit? You see it on an Officially Official Democrat cum “Progressive” letterhead on something? Or Why? “Just Because” THEY Say So?

Because This Just IN PaulW…Breaking NEWS: “I’ll have those nigg@rs voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” – Yours TRULY, President Lyndon Johnson.

Champion OF and Chief Signatory TO, The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ROFLMAO!!!

Power To The PEOPLE, Brotha!!! And Power to their “Free” Section 8 Hi-Rise Plantation Living, and to their “Free” Government Checks and Cheese For Life. And to their “Free” TAXPAYER-FUNDED, “Family Planning Kill The Black Family On Demand Please) Mills”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz4c1qW-U70

Oh yeah, and all that the “Yos” HAVE TO DO, Is keep Voting DIXIECRAT Every 4 And 6 Years. That’s IT. Otherwise, All that Wonderful Stuff that Dems have “given” Them, they’ll just take Away. Cus’ Dems don’t Believe in God, so they like To Play GOD W/People’s LIVES. Never MET You, But I DO What’s Best FOR You. Like that high-tech version of the Rope and Tree, called Planned Parenthood, for example. LOL!

You know what’s great about Democrats – we have DEBATES… about ISSUES! Amazing, huh? The GOP should try it sometime.

You mean like those Amazing DEBATES… about ISSUES that Tingles and Bathtub Boy have on Their Shows all the time? LOL.!! Didn’t President Reagan Suck, Jeremy? Why Yes! He most certainly DID, my Journalistic Lord and Savior, K’O.

Of course, Jeremy WAS JUST 6 Years Old when he took his First Oath Of Office and 14 when he Left the White House, But I DO fancy myself, a “poor’s man” Beschloss, Brinkley And Kearns-Goodwin All in One, when I’m NOT Talking out my Ass about and Bashing Our Military Too!

I “Heart U” Jeremy…”Heart U” Too Keith!

OH Yeah’. Those GREAT Debates! Or when Tingles has Sestak on..Looking for another Zinger up His Leg.

I could have sworn that Senator “Grand Klegle” Robert Byrd was the one wearing a white sheet.

TCinAZ said:
OH Yeah’. Those GREAT Debates! Or when Tingles has Sestak on..Looking for another Zinger up His Leg.

The next ‘zinger’ is gonna be running DOWN his leg after he shits his pants in November. I wonder if he will ever be able to wrap his brain around the fact that HE AND HIS ILK bear just as much responsibility for the historic failure of this administration as does the administration itself.

It’s the other edge of THE BIAS SWORD…. when you shield the object of your affection from the truth, then he truly believes his own BS. And WORSE YET, he believes that the rest of the world believes his BS. When you want an honest, objective abd ACCURATE assessment of your teams performance you don’t look to THE CHEERLEADERS.

Matthews etc have done a disservice to Obama, his party, and the Country as a whole. They deserve every bit (and more) of the ridicule and disgust directed at them. They have failed us all.

@nosofast, “And you, Grayson, and your lib pals were wearing the sheets 25 years ago and you are wearing them today!”

I wonder how many blacks Grayson, Matthews, Olbermann, Anderson (and the Vanderbilts), and the rest of the pro Obama bunch have on their “family trees”.

correction: @notsofast.

I would take your points apart piece by piece, TCinAZ, but you’re such a fucking obvious, sophist hack, copying and pasting from 30 year-old talking points, that it’s not even worth the effort. Conservatives are and have always been the loadstone in America – supported the Tories against the revolutionaries, supported the southern slave owners against the abolitionists, supported segregation and still do, supported and still support autocratic regimes from Iran to Saudi Arabia while blaming liberals for the blowback they created, supported massive subsidies to obsolete industries that rape and pillage the third world in America’s name while blaming OSHA for making them do it, and on this day still supporting BP’s “right” to discharge billions of gallons of oil into our seas and on our shores while blaming the unions and declaring that taxpayers should foot the bill. Your ilk are lying, hypocritical, brown-nosing, gold-digging, android footsoldiers of the corporate royalty who give you hard-ons every time they make a snide joke about Carter. You’re a sound bite personality on a vaudeville stage, singing Mammy in blackface like there’s nothing wrong and everyone else is the racist for noticing. Jackass.

Paul Westlake said:
I would take your points apart piece by piece, TCinAZ, but you’re such a fucking obvious, sophist hack, copying and pasting from 30 year-old talking points, that it’s not even worth the effort. Conservatives are and have always been the loadstone in America – supported the Tories against the revolutionaries, supported the southern slave owners against the abolitionists, supported segregation and still do, supported and still support autocratic regimes from Iran to Saudi Arabia while blaming liberals for the blowback they created, supported massive subsidies to obsolete industries that rape and pillage the third world in America’s name while blaming OSHA for making them do it, and on this day still supporting BP’s “right” to discharge billions of gallons of oil into our seas and on our shores while blaming the unions and declaring that taxpayers should foot the bill. Your ilk are lying, hypocritical, brown-nosing, gold-digging, android footsoldiers of the corporate royalty who give you hard-ons every time they make a snide joke about Carter. You’re a sound bite personality on a vaudeville stage, singing Mammy in blackface like there’s nothing wrong and everyone else is the racist for noticing. Jackass.

wow. nice rant. nothing to say about this?…..

FearMonger said:
Good! I’m glad to hear it! Let’s ‘debate’ the (D) platform for 2011-12.
Oh wait…. that’s right….. I forgot. You don’t HAVE a platform. Just a bunch of pointy fingers.
‘Issues’ indeed. You’ve got ‘issues’ all right.

Pablo said:
One person told you you’d be waiting for such predictions alone and everyone else ignored you.

Yeah, cause I knew you were all up wracking your brains trying to figure it out all night. You think I don’t how this works? You think I really believe the reactionaries around here even absorb anything I say at all? Please. I decided to comment because the revisionism around here is self-defeating, and unfortunately, the self-defeat of conservative reactionaries can have the effect of taking sensible people down with them. I mean, hasn’t anyone around here noticed that unions have been on their steepest decline in history over the past 30 years and that maybe, just maybe, the incredible erosion of our economic strength isn’t really their fault as much as the record profits that never seem to follow the trickle-down path Reagan promised would be there? Um… no. They haven’t.

Pablo said:
You really are awfully full of yourself and not terribly bright. ebay21 is a better commenter.

You reap what you sow: every person that disagrees with reactionary conservative ideology is called stupid, an ass hole AND arrogant all at once. Nearly every time, the comment is something like, “you’re really stupid, really naive, probably in a Satanic cult (aka, ACORN, or something), oh, and btw, we really don’t like your liberal, ivy-league, latte-sipping, Volvo-driving, baby-killing, child-molesting, drug-addicted ARROGANCE!” Oh, yes, we’ll just sit back and let you say the most caustic, offensive and oxymoronic things that pop into those crude little heads without protest, and just slink back off to the Satan-loving ivory towers that spawned us. Thank you for letting me off easy this time. Who the fuck do you think you’re kidding?

FearMonger said:
wow. nice rant. nothing to say about this?…..

FearMonger said:
Good! I’m glad to hear it! Let’s ‘debate’ the (D) platform for 2011-12.
Oh wait…. that’s right….. I forgot. You don’t HAVE a platform. Just a bunch of pointy fingers.
‘Issues’ indeed. You’ve got ‘issues’ all right.

Sure. It’s 2010. The 2012 platform comes out in 2011. I think it’s pretty clear what Democrats stand for: health care reform, financial reform, conversion to clean energy boosted by cap-and-trade, and investment in education, infrastructure and new technologies to spur domestic manufacturing.

I think it’s also pretty clear what the Republicans stand for: nothing.

Or are you prepared to tell us all about the 2012 GOP platform? Well, let’s not get ahead of ourselves, can you even name one thing 2010 Republican candidates want to do OTHER THAN repeal everything “Obama?”

Paul Westlake said:
I would take your points apart piece by piece, TCinAZ, but you’re such a fucking obvious, sophist hack, copying and pasting from 30 year-old talking points, that it’s not even worth the effort.

pot meet kettle…

Constantly said:
pot meet kettle…

No copy/paste here, Dr. Pepper. Brand new material every time, fresh as the day it was canned. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
You think I really believe the reactionaries around here even absorb anything I say at all? Please.

but but but…. you’re just SO damn likeable! Open-minded people with no preconceived stereotypes or prejudices are truly rare. Your welcome here should have been much warmer.

My apologies for assuming that your defense of these statements by Grayson put you in a certain category of people who see all conservatives the same way….

Paul Westlake said:
Conservatives are and have always been the loadstone in America

Paul Westlake said:
Your ilk are lying, hypocritical, brown-nosing, gold-digging, android footsoldiers of the corporate royalty who give you hard-ons every time they make a snide joke about Carter.

Shame on me for thinking you were a bigot.
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Speaking of ‘categories’…. I knew everything I needed to know about you, Paul, as soon as I read this….

Paul Westlake said:
How dare anyone speak of white America’s God-given supremacy complex in anything but the most respectful of terms? How dare anyone question white America’s right to not be spooked by having non-whites in the White House?

Grayson says some ridiculous, stupid shit like this and all you have to say is …..

Paul Westlake said:
Alan Grayson goes a little overboard in missing the history of the 99.9% white crowd at Beck’s Whitestock by a single generation and he’s waaaaaay out of line?

‘a little overboard’????? Shame on you. You are the worst kind of hypocrite.

YOU are the REAL problem in America today YOU FUCKING RACIST PIG.

‘Absorb’ that.

Too funny…

Phocus2 said:
Paul, your writing is predictable, sophmoric, with the only plus being that the hour is late and your writing does have a soporific effect.

note the ‘soporific effect’ comment…..
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Paul Westlake said:
I guess I make some of you feel so inadequate that you feel the need to use terms like “predictable” and “sophomoric.” I look forward to the predictions of what I will say next. LOL

note the challenge for ‘predictions’……
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Paul Westlake said:
Actually, I went to sleep. So excellent predictions, folks. My next comment was, in fact, “….” Well done, everyone. Here’s your virtual cookie. Don’t forget to share!

Hmmmmmmm

I’d say YOU GOT OWNED Paul. All your snarky bullshit and smartass ‘satire’ is old and tired and Phocus2 made it clear…. saying that your writing is ‘predictable and sophomoric’ (aka BORING) and that the only ‘plus’ was that it ‘tends to induce drowsiness or sleep’ (aka SOPORIFIC).

Apparently your writing is SO DAMNED BORING that it has that sleep-inducing effect on EVEN YOU. Phocus2 met your challenge and did it by accurately ‘predicting’ the effect of YOUR OWN BULLSHIT.

Congratulations on being crowned King Douche of the Day! And MANY THANKS for giving me my belly-laugh for the day!

Damn, you can’t make this stuff up!

FearMonger said:
YOU FUCKING RACIST PIG.

How exactly am I the racist here?

While working as a supervisor for one of the largest sports internet sites on Earth, I increased minority hiring in my department by more than 500% (from 2 to 11, out of 140ish). I’m one of the people that actually DOES something about institutional racism when it’s my responsibility. What the fuck have you done besides accuse liberals of the racism that you obviously hold so dear?

I read every comment sent my way carefully and fully and I absorb everything. I’m not afraid to get my feelings hurt. That you think you’re a victim of some “anti-conservative bigotry” on my part indicates your total self-delusion. You neo-cons believe you can say the most vile and heinous things to the liberals that comment here but how dare we respond in kind? Hide behind anonymity as you throw your grenades. Real profile in courage you are.

Grayson was only wrong by ONE generation! If the date he picked was 1965, or even 1975, he would’ve been dead right on. I know the code. I know what “take my country back” means. It means the White House is for Whites only. No wonder we’re suddenly talking about the 14th and 17th amendments again. White conservatives are spooked by the black man in the White House. And I know how angry it makes you to get called on the truth of who you really are but some people don’t suffer goons gladly. I see it every day with my own two eyes, hear it every day with my own two ears, and fight against it everyday that I can with the only tool I have at my disposal – my ability to respond to neo-con sophistry with truth. Deal with it or talk to someone else!

FearMonger said:
Apparently your writing is SO DAMNED BORING that it has that sleep-inducing effect on EVEN YOU.

Hey! Finally! A funny! That was clever.

If you read my next post on the subject, it may occur to you that I wasn’t taking all that seriously… but I keep forgetting that satire and irony are waaaaay over the heads of the average neo-con. My bad. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
Grayson was only wrong by ONE generation! If the date he picked was 1965, or even 1975, he would’ve been dead right on. I know the code. I know what “take my country back” means. It means the White House is for Whites only. No wonder we’re suddenly talking about the 14th and 17th amendments again. White conservatives are spooked by the black man in the White House. And I know how angry it makes you to get called on the truth of who you really are but some people don’t suffer goons gladly. I see it every day with my own two eyes, hear it every day with my own two ears, and fight against it everyday that I can with the only tool I have at my disposal – my ability to respond to neo-con sophistry with truth. Deal with it or talk to someone else!

And you have the nerve to ask this question………………

Paul Westlake said:
How exactly am I the racist here?

I wish I could say I was shocked. I must say though, I am continually impressed with the ability of those on the left to not see the reflection when a mirror is held up right in front of your bigoted noses. The fact that you lump hundreds of thousands of American citizens in the category of the KKK (past, present, or future) without REALLY knowing a damned thing about ANY of them speaks volumes about you.

I know that you THINK you know them (but you don’t)…. and that’s what makes you a fucking racist pig.

The proof is all over your posts….

Paul Westlake said:
I know what “take my country back” means. It means the White House is for Whites only.

Paul Westlake said:
White conservatives are spooked by the black man in the White House.

Paul Westlake said:
And I know how angry it makes you to get called on the truth of who you really are but some people don’t suffer goons gladly

Like I said, you THINK you know people when you ACTUALLY don’t. Isn’t that the definition of a bigot? You say you know “how angry it makes (me) to get called out on the truth of who I really (am)”? Really?

Then DO TELL por favor. Tell me more ‘truths’ about ME Paul…… I’m all ears. Go ahead and make it perfectly clear what you ‘know’ about me and the rest of us ‘neo-cons’ and prove once again who the real racists are.

As for this…….

Paul Westlake said:
That you think you’re a victim of some “anti-conservative bigotry” on my part indicates your total self-delusion.

Self-deluded bigot, Know Thyself…

btw…. I hope Tommy Christopher reads this. How many are we up to now, Tommy? I lost count.

Thanks Paul for being YET another ‘example’ that blows the door off this stupid challenge ….

Tommy Christopher wrote:

“Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama”.

lmfao….. seriously….. ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!

Thanks again, Paul!

Bullshit, FearMonger. I’m a white, Presbyterian-raised, Anglo-Saxon, male and I know EXACTLY what’s in the hearts of many of the people who respond to Beck’s dogwhistle and coded language. I will grant you that I painted with a broad brush, but you reap what you sow in that department. Nearly every comment here from neo-cons like you is about how every single liberal, every last one of us! is a racist, abortion-loving, military-hating, anti-christian demon-spawn from hell. How dare you whine and cry victim about being called out for WHAT YOU ARE! You’re damn right! Don’t like the label? Stop voting for racist candidates, calling into racist radio programs, posting racist rhetoric on the internet, and crying victim when you’re called out for the racist pig you are. You think “turning the tables” is going to work on me? You think I’m suddenly going to figure out I’ve been wrong all these years to cast a critical to MY OWN race? I don’t police blacks, or Hispanics, or Asians… I police white, racist hate-mongers like you! Because that’s my right as an American. Dig it!

Paul Westlake says:
I would take your points apart piece by piece, TCinAZ, but you’re such a fucking obvious, sophist hack, copying and pasting from 30 year-old talking points, that it’s not even worth the effort. Conservatives are and have always been the loadstone in America

You know What, Paul? You’re Right. You “Win”. lol. Progressives Aren’t Democrats Nee Dixiecrats Any More, no matter What Anyone Says, just as (my piece-by-piece Talking Points) Cadillac Cavalier and the Chevy Cimarron weren’t the Same, Rebadged, Shitbox Cars that GM rolled off of It’s assembly lines back in 81′, no matter what anyone said Then, Either.

You Better RECOGNIZE! Or our Union Thugs might have to “help you” CHANGE Your Mind MOTHER….!

Ps. “Why Can’t they make a Corolla?” Because TOYOTA makes the Corolla, Moron! And The Camry’s Toyota’s Best-Ever Seller, Anyhow. Or do Ya’ need TOTUS and “GM F150″ Gibbsy to tell you THAT Too?

TCinAZ, um… what the fuck does the quote you cited have to do with cars?

Once again, unions have been busted and battered for three decades, membership is at it’s lowest point in 30 years, and you still cling to the naive and antiquated notion that they’re behind everything? It was unions who held guns to GM’s head and demanded they make shitty cars? I suppose unions faked the moon landing while they were at it. What a fucking joke.

Alan Grayson is a nice guy. He does care about our economy. Here are thoughts that effect it.
It’s the economy stupid. That’s me, I’m still trying to figure this out. We need producers and consumers and some money for business capable of producing to get started. Good so far, Now, some where between production and consumption things fizzle our. What’s you analogy? One of a zillion things could have taken place, but my guess for the economy in question is, too big to understand, too big to police, too big to make transparent, too big to control all the bad boys and girls with sticky fingers with very little honor. Were having a field day. Honor, what’s that?
Let is start with automation. Automaton displaces labor, kills jobs and can not be a buyer. Computerization enhanced automation a 10,000 fold or more getting rid of more jobs. This is something like cornering the market on silver, gold or oil as OPEC has done. Besides destroying jobs, it totally destroys competition.
They other day I went the bank and through the ATM machine, not the teller, I deposited a couple checks, transferred additional money form savings to checking and then I withdrew a $100 from checking, all without a teller.
Me and this machine completed all of those transactions. This is more automation. After that, I went to Home Depot and bought some lawn fertilizer and a pair of rubber gloves and there again, without a cashier I used their automatic check out, automation machine.
I have one question for you, will these automation machines ever buy anything from the producer.
Incidentally, this economic recession we are experiencing is caused by over productively—Look at the houses that no one is living in. Too any people making over $ 250,000.00 were buying too many homes that they were not living in, but only trying to make profits on them. Automobiles was the second part of the dominion effect from such a large shock to over productivity.
I hope our legislators with their old ways of thinking can see where the problems are and make some good regulation. Remember producer and consumer completes the equation here in America.

Paul Westlake said:
Nearly every comment here from neo-cons like you is about how every single liberal, every last one of us! is a racist, abortion-loving, military-hating, anti-christian demon-spawn from hell.

OK asshole….. show me.

This thread had 106 comments when i started this post….. I guaran-damn-tee you there is FIVE TIMES more venom spewed on it by leftwingers than by rightwingers….. and THAT”S on a thread devoted to that hatemonger Grayson (who you have no problem with). If what you say is true then the proof should REALLY easy to find … especially on this thread where the topic was that douchebag Grayson and his sentiments were echoed by other douchebags like you, Paul.

Other threads are even more one-sided with hate-speech in abundance from the left. It’s ‘projection’ at it’s finest to talk about all the hate coming from the right. Just like the reaction from Grayson and people like YOU to the Restoring Honor rally Paul…. you already have your minds made up so the truth is irrelevant.

It’s a common theme …. IGNORING REALITY… and I repeat my challenge for you to show me where….

Paul Westlake said:
Nearly every comment here from neo-cons like you is about how every single liberal, every last one of us! is a racist, abortion-loving, military-hating, anti-christian demon-spawn from hell.

As for this…

Paul Westlake said:
You think I’m suddenly going to figure out I’ve been wrong all these years

Nope. No illusions about THAT, Paul.
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Paul Westlake said:
I police white, racist hate-mongers like you! Because that’s my right as an American. Dig it!

And I police hypocritical prejudiced bigots like YOU, call out their baseless accusations, and show them to be the LIARS that they are.

‘Dig’ that.

Paul Westlake said:
Nearly every comment here from neo-cons like you is about how every single liberal, every last one of us! is a racist, abortion-loving, military-hating, anti-christian demon-spawn from hell.

You know, it really is RICH for YOU to be lecturing ME about stereotypes. I just went back and re-read YOUR posts and they are chock-full-o-hate and nasty name-calling and broad condemnations of people you don’t know.

YOUR CRAP makes MY CRAP look downright DIPLOMATIC by comparison. I invite anyone to scroll up and compare what I have written to what Paul has written and see who the real ‘hatemonger’ is. The tone of the rhetoric is the difference between night and day. (btw… my name-calling was reserved for INDIVIDUALS like Paul and Grayson…. I never said anything about ‘every last one’ of ANYBODY).

Ever heard of The Golden Rule Paul? How about the phrase “People who live in glass houses should not throw stones”? You’ve got a lotta nerve dude. Seriously.

If you took the time to find out WTF you are talking about you might not be so eager to make yourself look so stupid by attacking me but…. that’s your prerogative. I fit your profile so go ahead and do your best to paint me with that big brush….it’s nothing new anyway.

Like I’ve said before, it’s all you guys have left. Enjoy it as it loses the last of its steam.

FearMonger said:
You know, it really is RICH for YOU to be lecturing ME about stereotypes. I just went back and re-read YOUR posts and they are chock-full-o-hate and nasty name-calling and broad condemnations of people you don’t know.

No they aren’t. There is surely condemnation OF hate in my posts, but not hate. “Hate,” by your definition is anything that seems critical of your opinion, apparently. I admitted I painted with a broad brush, right before reminding you of the broad brush strokes being used by the same people throwing stones in glass houses. I’m willing to admit when I might have gone too far or deserved someone’s zinger, but I don’t see that same reciprocity from you or your neo-con cohorts. Because you all seem to think you’re perfect and everything you say is totally clean and fair, while everything we say shows us to be racists or arrogant or stupid or whatever your flavor of the moment is. And yet you say I have a lot of nerve? That’s rich.

And of course you’ll invite the people who mostly agree with your ideology that populate these boards to “scroll up.” CatM eloquently disagreed with a similar comparison in another thread and appealed for a less caustic dialog, only to be attacked by your neo-con buddies for it. Real classy!

I know your game and you’re full of shit. Do all the scrolling you want, Capt. America.

TCinAZ, um… what the fuck does the quote you cited have to do with cars?
Once again, unions have been busted and battered for three decades, membership is at it’s lowest point in 30 years, and you still cling to the naive and antiquated notion that they’re behind everything?

Gotta Thank You for bring up Antiques, Paul. Because it gives me the opportunity to show my fellow Mediaiters just How much it Is that “HATE” Muslims..So here Goes. I Hate Walid, and Fouad, and Doc Zuhdi, and Ayaan, and Irshad, and Noni, and Wafa Sultan and on, and on with a PASSION! Yup. Got nothing but hate. Hate, HATE for all of em’. So Kill Em’ ALL, I SAY! LOL! And I Especially HATE those Baywatch Lovin’ KIDS in Iran, who’ve been Hiding Their Sat dishes, praying that they don’t caught by Iran’s (Net and TV Neutrality) Secret Police, and get thrown into some F’king Dungeon for ? Long, and who’ve been Protest Marching for Their FREEDOM and Independence. As a matter of Fact, If I had My Druthers? We’d Kill THEM First! A Big OLE’ SHROOM’

Or maybe Not. MAYBE,.we just shoot those damn ‘JOO’ jet fighters Down if They try to take out Iran’s Nuke plants and Maintain The Status Quo. Yeah! We should just Leave that PIG Mammy Dinnerjacket and the Mullahs in power, says that F’cking ANTIQUE, “Professor” Brzezinski (Who Belongs is Madam Tussauds, and NOT in The Oval Office Again) since He thinks that “Rahsha” is Still the Greatest Threat to the United.States.

So Let’s Recap, Shall We? Fifty PLUS YEARS with more than enough Nukes between The World’s Two Greatest EVER Superpowers to Vaporize each Other More than 100k-Fold, yet Not One, Not even ONE “Oops”, We Took out a Major American or (then) Soviet City even by “Accident”…But it’s Russia who we Still need worry about, according to the Peanut Farmer’s former NSA. That RELIC who Says that Orthodox CHRISTIAN Russia’s more dangerous than THIS… “we love death more than you love life”

And if They get a nuke? Well, no biggy. LOL!

So Maybe, just maybe we should kill Only Those Muslims who wanna Kill Us!? That’s It. ie, Find me One “KILL EM’ ALL!” post of Mine here, Or Anywhere Else for that matter! Good Luck to You, while You and Your fellow Progressives, and Obama and Grayson continue to defend the “near” Ground Zero Mosque’s being built, and defend that Swell guy, Imam Adoubletalk w/Ruffies for the kiddies Is Too!

But you’re Not DixieCrats by DNA though.Nah. We MUST Respect their RUMOR And INNUENDO Koranic Religious Laws! …Heard She’s a Whore and heard THAT One’s a Queer Fella’ Too! You Get A Rock and I’ll Get A Rope! Oh, That’s Perfect!

Oh and Btw Paul, I HATE Black AND Latinos Too!. One of My Aunts is Colombian, ya’ see, And I’m Pro-1070, But I HATE EM’ All Anyway! Man, I Hate EVERYBODY! I ALSO Hate My Oakland RAIDERS Now even though I’ve LOVED Them since I was KID Because, Ewww! Maxine Waters and Van Jones are from there! Hell, I even Hate My All-TIME Sports Hero, Ayrton Senna, just because of Lulu NOW! And Odalys Garcia. Commie. Blech!
Guess it just Comes with the Territory when you’re a Conservative Republican though. Seems We can’t compartmentalize matters and issues from People and Places like You Cultural Elites can. Even the Word “compartmentalize”. HUH? So I had to look That One Up Too. That some kinda “lock box” for my Hoods and Confederate Flags ur’ sumpin?

FearMonger said:
OK asshole….. show me.

First of all, when I say “here,” I mean the Mediaite boards generally, not necessarily this particular thread. However, below is a partial list that only includes direct references or indirect inferences about ALL liberals in general, taken just from this thread. If I did this with the four threads I’ve commented on in the past two days, I’d be here all night. This doesn’t even include all the scores of ad hominem attacks leveled at Grayson personally that indicate a blanket definition for all liberals. Enjoy!

NeoKong said:
That’s truly a man with his hate on.
In other words a typical Democrat.

Arkansas Steve said:
The reason the right seems to be angrier is because the PROFESSIONAL LEFT is telling them how to live their lives

TCinAZ said:
Democrats BECAME Democrats after they’d been Dixiecrats First, and ALL Their local KKK Chapters had been calling for the Extermination of “Dark-Skinned Peoples, Jews, Catholics, and ALL Them THAR HomoSEX’els!”

TCinAZ said:
You Stalinst F..ks only feel That way about Our Black and Joo and Homo “folks” who’ve strayed into the “Dogma” of Free-Thinking Individuality and Personal Responsibility.

TCinAZ said:
And they All Vote DIXIECRAT Every 4 And 6 Years, and they have the Collective IQ of ‘Roberto’ Boucher, Sr.

libra blue said:
If Grayson’s “party” had good arguments to defend their positions on the health care bill, raising taxes, illegal immigration or other issues that are really important to the American people he would not have to resort to the same old race baiting accusations and insults.

TCinAZ said:
Gotta Thank You for bring up Antiques, Paul.

For the life of me I can’t see why. But okbuhbyenow.

@Paul Westlake, Actually the word “Democrat” does not appear in my comment. If you are suggesting that my use of the word “party” means Democrat you would be projecting what you want to see. I meant to single out those that agree with Grayson and his extremist views, whether they be Democrat, Republican, or Independent, not necessarily all Democrats, because I truly believe that Hillary Clinton and her husband know Obama is a fraud and that many of his policies are seriously flawed.

libra blue said:
@Paul Westlake, Actually the word “Democrat” does not appear in my comment. If you are suggesting that my use of the word “party” means Democrat you would be projecting what you want to see. I meant to single out those that agree with Grayson and his extremist views, whether they be Democrat, Republican, or Independent, not necessarily all Democrats, because I truly believe that Hillary Clinton and her husband know Obama is a fraud and that many of his policies are seriously flawed.

I wasn’t projecting what I want to see but I will mea culpa for misinterpreting the use of quotes around the word “party.” I took it in the context of the level of sarcasm generally in use on these boards and assumed your use of quotes was a clever way of calling the Democrats members of a “fake party.” But as you say you meant it in the context of “people who agree with him,” I will disavow your inclusion on that list. I think my misinterpretation is somewhat understandable in light of the common usage of the word party in political discussion but I apologize for my part in the confusion all the same.

I am surprised someone hasn’t squashed Grayson like the fat Maggot he is! Disgusting man! Ugh!

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
YOU FORGOT TO MENTION RUG-GATE!! THAT WASN’T A MISTAKE OBAMA LIED INTENTIONALLY!!!

HE IS A LOW-DOWN DIRTY CARPET-LIAR!!!!

I BET HIS BATHROOM RUG HAS THAT LIE ABOUT SNOOKI ON IT!!!

You don’t have to get all loud about it. Also calling OUR President a liar is not very nice,so I guess you won’t be voting for him in 2012 Huh????

Paul Westlake said:
For the life of me I can’t see why.

Oh I Can…and I’m Not surprised.

But okbuhbyenow.

Bye.. Been, a Piece-by-Piece Pleasure, Paul. lol.

TCinAZ said:
Paul Westlake said:
For the life of me I can’t see why.

Oh I Can…and I’m Not surprised.

But okbuhbyenow.

Bye.. Been, a Piece-by-Piece Pleasure, Paul. lol.

whatever

This guy is the Florida version of Cynthia McKinney, former congresswoman and Green Presidential candidate. They make Palin, Angle and Paul look like establishment politicians. Not as bad as the person who didn’t want to move the military around on Guam for fear the island would turn over (a Democrat, BTW), but weird as bees’ knees.

Were it not for the suffering Grayson is causing to his constituents (and the country in general), one might be inclined to wish he would be re-elected in 2012, but as it is, Mr. Grayson is probably the best reminder one could ever find for NOT voting Democrat. As I have listened to this individual going on his illucid rants and heard the incredulous remarks uttered by him, I am truly left to wonder whether he can be classified as sane.

“McCain-Palin leftovers” :)
He’s not completely nuts!

Yeah, “Whatever” is right, Paul. One last question though. Explain to Me, if you would (or Can’t) why it Is, that the when THESE F’KING Inbreeds http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/westborobaptist5.jpg show up at a Soldier’s or at a Marine’s Funeral, that They’re run the Hell Out Of TOWN by The CHRISTIAN (ET. AL!) Funeral Attendees, under threat of Physical Violence if they Don’t Leave, and Also, Why is It, that they Resemble THESE F’KING POS http://www.capveterans.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/fuck_the_troops2.jpg a Hell of a Lot More than they do ANY of The Standard-Issue, White, Right-Wing, Racist, Hate-Mongering, Christian, Extremist Wacko examples that you Progressives only have to offer Us?

In other words, Why ARE the Westboro Baptists so far “Right”, that they’re Full-Bore Leftists Now!? Or do you Think that I just pull These “…and they have the Collective IQ of ‘Roberto’ Boucher, Sr.” Paradigms out of Thin Air?

So. Fu..k The Troops? Or Pray For More Dead Ones? Tough Call to Make on Who Cares Less ABOUT Them, Don’t You Think? I mean, It’s almost Communal. Like a Nam’ Thing, Man. Dig it.

Yep call it as it is Grayson. The way to white Tea Party is a new version of KKK an John Birch but because it is “same ole same ole” we are not fooled for long (just a little while but not long enough for your purposes).

OK so… has anyone (but me) noticed how soft and sweet Faux “news” has become of late? Could it be that they actually read what we say about them (OH Rupert… you smelly way past dead vampire). But if they are … I mean actually… . listening….. do they know that we….. know about “stacking the deck?” “Stacking the deck” is when a huckster tells you …. Truth-truth-truth-big ole fat lie then-truth-truth-truth. It’s an ole carney trick and always works. But it stops being effective when folks know about it. Sorry Rupert (and Glen). We are not as dumb as you hope we are (close but not actually AS dumb as you hope) and every day we get a little smarter.

Paul Westlake said:
First of all, when I say “here,” I mean the Mediaite boards generally, not necessarily this particular thread. However, below is a partial list that only includes direct references or indirect inferences about ALL liberals in general, taken just from this thread. If I did this with the four threads I’ve commented on in the past two days, I’d be here all night. This doesn’t even include all the scores of ad hominem attacks leveled at Grayson personally that indicate a blanket definition for all liberals. Enjoy!

Wow. That’s quite the list. Thanks Paul for proving my point…..

Arkansas Steve said:
The reason the right seems to be angrier is because the PROFESSIONAL LEFT is telling them how to live their lives.

Hmmm. That’s really an awful and hateful quote but …. I challenged you to prove THIS….

Paul Westlake said:
Nearly every comment here from neo-cons like you is about how every single liberal, every last one of us! is a racist, abortion-loving, military-hating, anti-christian demon-spawn from hell.

I’d say it’s a fair conclusion…. judging from your pathetic ‘list’ …. that you were absolutely WRONG. In fact you owe all us ‘neo-cons’ an apology. It’s obvious that ‘nearly every quote here from neo-cons’ is NOT full of the venom you describe….. and not ony that…. you can’t find ANY that rises to your prescribed level of hate.

I’m really sad for you Paul. I gave you 14 hours to prove your BS. What you should have done is come back and say “On second reading, the rhetoric wasn’t as nasty as I thought” or at the very least “OK, OK. I should not have said “Nearly every comment….”.

But NO. You actually post this pathetic list to prove that you were right all along (NOT!) and throw in a few qualifiers (among the jabs) about ‘other threads’ blah blah blah. A sad display Paul. Your BS might fly with some people but not with THIS FearMonger…. “Nearly every comment” MEANS “Nearly every comment”.

Your rhetoric does not match reality. Dig THAT.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
I hope not. The left can never draw as many people as the right. Not on the radio, TV, the internet or the Mall. Most people only become motivated when they are angry, that is why most Letters to the Editor and from consumers to companies are negative. When people are unhappy you will hear from them. The Right has always been more pissed-off than the Left. The rally would be Ed’s folly.

Really? Look at the marches that the right has had and those held by the left. Compare the number of people arrested, the number of windows broken, the number of cars turned over, etc. The left has a big lead in the arena of being pissed off and demonstrating it.

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literate said:
I could have sworn that Senator “Grand Klegle” Robert Byrd was the one wearing a white sheet.

Yes, that is right. And everyone celebrated Robert Byrd because he “brought home the bacon.” That’s a way of saying he stole money from the other 49 state’s taxpayers and bought his re-elections in West Virginia with it. That should have earned him convictions rather than accolades.

By the wya, if you are tempted to say the Republicans do it too, I don’t care what party they are in, Congress should stop buying their re-elections with the taxpayer’s money.

FearMonger said:
You know, it really is RICH for YOU to be lecturing ME about stereotypes. I just went back and re-read YOUR posts and they are chock-full-o-hate and nasty name-calling and broad condemnations of people you don’t know.

Paul Westlake said:
No they aren’t. There is surely condemnation OF hate in my posts, but not hate. “Hate,” by your definition is anything that seems critical of your opinion, apparently.

Hmmm. Methinks you project too much Paul…. YOU are the one accusing people of “HATE” who are contrary to your (prejudiced) opinion. Let me see if there is any low-hanging fruit to prove it…..

Paul Westlake said:
Let me get this straight, it’s OK to call the President of the United States a Satan-loving, Islamo-fascist-marxist-communist-socialist, bastard, witch doctor who’s hiding his homosexuality along with his real birth certificate, but Alan Grayson goes a little overboard in missing the history of the 99.9% white crowd at Beck’s Whitestock by a single generation and he’s waaaaaay out of line? Well, of course he is on neo-con fantasy island.
How dare anyone speak of white America’s God-given supremacy complex in anything but the most respectful of terms? How dare anyone question white America’s right to not be spooked by having non-whites in the White House? It was bad enough the Satanic liberals were going to force that demonic witch, Hillary Clinton, down America’s throat, but at least she was WHITE! No way Obama won that election fair and square because America is clearly NOT ready for a black President. So the damn all-powerful liberals MUST have used their evil Satanic gifts to steal the election so they could institute Sharia law and turn America into one giant, Islamo-fascist-socialist-maoist-wiccan, gay-pride commune with patchouli and burkhas mandated by law. And anyone who doesn’t see that coming is just naive!

Wow. I wanted to keep it short so I had planned to pull out the non-hateful / stereotype-filled/ prejudiced parts but couldn’t find any in this post. Wow.
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Paul Westlake said:
As for hairy nuts… what is it with you people and your fixation with cock?

“YOU PEOPLE”????
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Paul Westlake said:
I guess I make some of you feel so inadequate that you feel the need to use terms like “predictable” and “sophomoric.” I look forward to the predictions of what I will say next. LOL

You meant ‘inadequate’ as a compliment, right Paul?
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Paul Westlake said:
But Repubs use ugly POLICY to segregate races, genders, and creeds from white men, and steal then their money.
So, while people may take offense at what Dems SAY from time to time, they take offense at what Repubs DO all the time.

More stereotypes about what (R) “DO all the time”.
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Paul Westlake said:
I would take your points apart piece by piece, TCinAZ, but you’re such a fucking obvious, sophist hack, copying and pasting from 30 year-old talking points, that it’s not even worth the effort. Conservatives are and have always been the loadstone in America – supported the Tories against the revolutionaries, supported the southern slave owners against the abolitionists, supported segregation and still do, supported and still support autocratic regimes from Iran to Saudi Arabia while blaming liberals for the blowback they created, supported massive subsidies to obsolete industries that rape and pillage the third world in America’s name while blaming OSHA for making them do it, and on this day still supporting BP’s “right” to discharge billions of gallons of oil into our seas and on our shores while blaming the unions and declaring that taxpayers should foot the bill. Your ilk are lying, hypocritical, brown-nosing, gold-digging, android footsoldiers of the corporate royalty who give you hard-ons every time they make a snide joke about Carter. You’re a sound bite personality on a vaudeville stage, singing Mammy in blackface like there’s nothing wrong and everyone else is the racist for noticing. Jackass.

Another post that could not be shortened…. chock-full-o-stereotypes and hatred. I especially enjoyed this part… “Your ilk are lying, hypocritical, brown-nosing, gold-digging, android footsoldiers”. Very descriptive…. lotsa adjectives…. leaves NO DOUBT about your intended meaning. Gold star for you Paul.
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Paul Westlake said:
You reap what you sow: every person that disagrees with reactionary conservative ideology is called stupid, an ass hole AND arrogant all at once. Nearly every time, the comment is something like, “you’re really stupid, really naive, probably in a Satanic cult (aka, ACORN, or something), oh, and btw, we really don’t like your liberal, ivy-league, latte-sipping, Volvo-driving, baby-killing, child-molesting, drug-addicted ARROGANCE!” Oh, yes, we’ll just sit back and let you say the most caustic, offensive and oxymoronic things that pop into those crude little heads without protest, and just slink back off to the Satan-loving ivory towers that spawned us. Thank you for letting me off easy this time. Who the fuck do you think you’re kidding?

Again with the “Nearly every time”…. the rest of it speaks for itself.
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Paul Westlake said:
Grayson was only wrong by ONE generation! If the date he picked was 1965, or even 1975, he would’ve been dead right on. I know the code. I know what “take my country back” means. It means the White House is for Whites only. No wonder we’re suddenly talking about the 14th and 17th amendments again. White conservatives are spooked by the black man in the White House. And I know how angry it makes you to get called on the truth of who you really are but some people don’t suffer goons gladly. I see it every day with my own two eyes, hear it every day with my own two ears, and fight against it everyday that I can with the only tool I have at my disposal – my ability to respond to neo-con sophistry with truth. Deal with it or talk to someone else!

Wow. “I know what ‘take my country back’ means. It means that the White House is for whites only.” I still find it hard to believe you would even write that…. much less believe it. Like I said before Paul, YOU are the problem in America right now. You voted for an inexperienced leftwing big-government anti-business speech-giver who doesn’t know how to lead and can’t think without a teleprompter and now …. when everybody else is waking up and realizing they made a mistake…. your true colors come out. Instead of debating the issues or making the case for ‘staying the course’ …. YOU and Grayson play that SAME OLD TIRED RACE CARD and piss all over America.

And YES….PISSING ON AMERICA is EXACTLY what you are doing. America IS her citizens…. paint them with your bigot brush at your own peril.

I could post more of YOUR comments JUST FROM THIS THREAD that illustrate your hatred but I think the point has been made. YOU came in here guns-a-blazin’. YOUR PROVOCATIONS were not responded to in kind. In fact the responses to your hateful rhetoric were quite benign, as evidenced by that pathetic list you posted.

None of your hateful projections have been met with the same level of bigotry that YOU have displayed. YOU came in here armed with your prejudice and stereotypes and let them fly. YOU cast blanket aspersions.

Just as with the Restoring Honor rally…. you and Grayson see what you want to see. Enjoy the company you keep.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Alan is our Michele Bachmann, only better looking.

They’re both stone cold crazy but we are not going to let the right own all the crazy anymore.

We will match you nut for nut.

It’s encouraging to see that, not only does the left have addle-witting Chicken Littles like Alan Graysom making wild, insane allegation, they also have individuals like Big_F-ing_Deal who are functionally blind.

Such hadicaps on the left will help increase the size of the mandate the right receives in the upcoming election.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Stephanie Miller is a great woman who brings the greatest guests on her show. Conservatives hate on her b/c she is beautiful and intelligent. Unlike conservative women who are beautiful and lost in the Kool-aid.

I didn’t know what she looked like, so I just went to see. She’s pretty, it’s true.

But this idea that she is oppposed because she is effective? Not so much. For instance, on 03/03/2009 she called Rush Limbaugh’s now well-publicized statement about wanting Barack Obama to fail “treasonous,” and wondered if he should be executed for saying such a thing.

Rush had copiously established that what he was saying was that, given the things Obama had in mind to do, he wanted Obama to fail — in those things. If Miller had done any real research on the comment (such as calling Rush’s people for comment), she would have known that.

It is no secret that virtually everyone on the left wanted George W. Bush to fail.

Calling for a commentator to be executed for making commentary? That’s not effective, it is hateful. Everyone — left and right — OUGHT to deplore such things. It is more evidence that those on the left are often despicable that this is not the case.

BTW: “Unlike conservative women who are beautiful and lost in the Kool-aid” is a sentence fragment. Perhaps there is a clue in that for why you think Miller is so “intelligent?”

Big_F-ing_Deal said: The left can never draw as many people as the right. Not on the radio, TV, the internet or the Mall.

Apparently you are not paying attention. The left routinely brings larger crowds. Correlation is not causation, but it appears that this is because leftists are more attuned to “organizing,” they are generally more spun up about things, seeing the world in really polar terms, and they often have more freedom to go to a rally or whatever.

Big_F-ing_Deal said: Most people only become motivated when they are angry, that is why most Letters to the Editor and from consumers to companies are negative. When people are unhappy you will hear from them.

True enough. But that which is typical is not necessarily the only reason for a given event.

Big_F-ing_Deal said: The Right has always been more pissed-off than the Left.

Apparently you have no understanding of the political or social landscape.

TCinAZ said:
Actually, Ted, I Dun’ Graduated Wenworth Military Academy, Class of 86′ JC, and I’m also fluent in Greek….

I’m actually somewhat skeptical. You don’t seem to write with the sophistication that would be required of cadets at a military academy. I’m not commenting on what you’re saying, only on how you’re saying it.

Paul Westlake said:
Let me get this straight, it’s OK to call the President of the US a Satan-loving, Islamo-fascist-marxist-communist-socialist, bastard, witch doctor who’s hiding his homosexuality along with his real birth certificate, but Alan Grayson goes a little overboard in missing the history of the 99.9% white crowd at Beck’s Whitestock by a single generation and he’s waaay out of line? Well, of course he is on neo-con fantasy island.

You start by saying, “Let me get this straight,” but then you get it all wrong. I haven’t heard anyone call Obama a Satan lover, nor even a Satan worshipper.

No one I know of has called him an Islamo-fascist. If they did, they would be mistaken, and certainly therefore out of line.

His policies certainly are socialist, with the government owning what had been private companies, and working hard to establish the government as the source of things like student loans and medical care. To point that out is not an error.

But only the fringe go to the degree of calling him a communist. When there are 10 or 20 people out of a population of over 300 million saying a given thing, it is absurd to allege that this is anything like a main-stream position. And beyond that, since Obama is not a communist, it is not OK to label him as such, so you didn’t get that straight either.

No, it is not OK to call him a bastard.

I am unaware of anyone calling him a homosexual, so I don’t understand why you threw that in there.

The “birthers” are also a fringe. Even if they were right, (and they clearly are not), there would really be no viable remediation, so what’s the point?

“… Grayson goes a little overboard in missing the history of the 99.9% white crowd at Beck’s Whitestock by a single generation and he’s waaay out of line?”

A little?!? And you characterize this a a single generation, as if that were insignificant? First of all it is more like 2 generations, back to the period of like LBJ.
And to point out that the crowd was 99.9% white is to allege that any time a large group is made up of only whites, the only possible meaning to be gleaned is that the group is a racist group is to characterize purely by skin color, in stark opposition to Dr. King’s dream. This certainly opens you to the charge of being a racist, if you were to use the standards for leftists to call conservatives racists.
And beyond that, I think it is more like that the group was 95% white, making your accusation 95% wrong (1:500).

It is ALWAYS “waaaaay” over the line to accuse someone who is not in the KKK of being so, just as it is always out of line to call people Nazis. Shame on you for defending the indefensible!

Paul Westlake said: How dare anyone speak of white America’s God-given supremacy complex in anything but the most respectful of terms?

What the hell are you talking about with “white America’s God-given supremacy complex?!?” What a snotty thing to say. FOr the love of Mike!, we have a black president!!! Haven’t you noticed? A few years ago we had a black secretary of state, and a black chief of the defense dept. The republican party has a black chairman. If you want to hurl insults at the US, and be all anti-America, at least have the decency to find an accurate characterization.

Paul Westlake said: How dare anyone question white America’s right to not be spooked by having non-whites in the White House?

This is just a moronic, racist charge. The only people saying that conservatives have a problem because of his race are leftists.

When Hillary was pushing government-run health care, conservatives opposed it. When Obama proposed governement-run healthcare, conservatives opposed it. Same-same. There is no reason to infer that race plays a role when looking at the actual evidence.

Conservatives oppose Obama’s increasing of the national debt just as conservatives opposed Bus’s increasing of the national debt. Obama has increased it 3 times more so far than Bush did in his entire term, so the opposition is stronger. But the issue is the same, and race does not play a role.

Just as whoever brings up Hitler first in a debate has lost, the person who charges racism where there is none is in the same position.

Conservatives are not spooked by a black man in the white house, we are outraged at the policies of Obama. That’s a big difference, and it is illustrative that you don’t see it.

Paul Westlake said: It was bad enough the Satanic liberals were going to force that demonic witch, Hillary Clinton, down America’s throat, but at least she was WHITE! No way Obama won that election fair and square because America is clearly NOT ready for a black President. So the damn all-powerful liberals MUST have used their evil Satanic gifts to steal the election so they could institute Sharia law and turn America into one giant, Islamo-fascist-socialist-maoist-wiccan, gay-pride commune with patchouli and burkhas mandated by law. And anyone who doesn’t see that coming is just naive!

You are really stuck on this Satan stuff, aren’t you?

Are you just inventing stuff? No one I have heard has ever alleged that this election was stolen. Accomplished on promises soon-after to be broken, sure. But stolen? not so much.

Are you just inventing stuff? No one I have heard has ever alleged that Obama wants to institute sharia law.

We opposed Hillary because of what she said, not because of her gender.
We oppose Obama because of what he says, not because of his skin color.

Wale up, or you’ll spend your entire life failing to see the reality around you.

The list below is just a few quick selections from this thread. If I scoured the rest of the boards, it would take me a week to detail all your personal attacks and blanket statements.

“Self-deluded bigot, Know Thyself…” Physician, heal thyself.

You’re a joke…

FearMonger said:
Pardon me …. I thought at first you were referring to the the left’s characterization of Bush…..

Silly me.

btw… take you rmeds por favor.

FearMonger said:
Liberals, on the other hand, see conservatives as stubborn, selfish, greedy and evil – retrograde Neanderthals who refuse to be enlightened. It is the height of irony that conservatives get tagged as “haters” and liberals are deemed “tolerant.”

FearMonger said:
btw leftwingers….. if you really want to sharpen your spears I highly recommend taking a hiatus from the Mothers Milk of Mediaite, venturing into the cold and unforgiving world of FearMongers and taking a stab at RD. But before you do, get off the kool-aid and arm yourself with something more than the SOS talking points…. they won’t last 10 seconds in A REAL DISCUSSION OF REAL ISSUES.

Oh… and Good Luck! You’re gonna need it…..

FearMonger said:
HE AND HIS ILK

That last one in response to your indignation over “you people.” As I said, you’re a joke, but not funny “ha ha.” When you can finally distinguish between attacks on ideas and attacks on character, I’ll be interested in what you have to say. Not before.

Paul Westlake said: I guess I make some of you feel so inadequate that you feel the need to use terms like “predictable” and “sophomoric.” I look forward to the predictions of what I will say next. LOL

Yeah, that’s it: you’ve wounded scores with your incisiveness… (yawn)

Paul Westlake said: “DIXIECRAT!?” ROFLMAO!!!

The “Dixiecrat” went extinct with the passage of the Civil Rights Act, dumbass.

    I’ve never actually met an intelligent ass, so I guess we’re all dum-asses (and dumb-shoulder, dumb-feet, etc.)

    But the CRA was passed by a higher percentage of Republicans from the Republican caucus voting for it than the percentage of Democrats in the Democrat causus..   Keep laughin’…

    And do you mean to tell me that racist sentiments, superiority sentiments in the democrat party were ended by the passage of a bill?   Well let’s hurry up and pass one that makes all Democrats be less race-obsessed!

Paul Westlake said: … You know what’s great about Democrats – we have DEBATES… about ISSUES! Amazing, huh? The GOP should try it sometime.

     Man, you are just deluded! Democrats — in congress, anyway — do everything they can to stifle debate.   They hold meetings without telling the Republicans that the meetings are schedules, they try to “freeze the opposition” through ad hominem attacks and slander. In the media, they avoid printing or reporting the conservative position while producing puf-pieces on left-wing issues.

     It is true though, that there really is a dearth of actual debate, I heartily agree.   The way everyone acts is, they are asked a question, and they say, “Well, all I know is that …” and make a small speech about some unrelated issue.    I hate that.

Paul Westlake said: LANGUAGE is not POLICY.
Dems may use ugly LANGUAGE once in a while, which is actually NOT politically correct… I know it’s a shock.
But Repubs use ugly POLICY to segregate races, genders, and creeds from white men, and steal then their money.

     Right.  And the Republicans took over the majority in 1996, and enacted policies that dramatically reduced the number of people living on welfare.   Welfare is disproportionately going to minorities, so moving people from welfare to work disproportionately benefits minorities.

     That’s just one example; there are myriad.   You really have a poor understanding of how things are.   That (apparently) is why you are such an advocate for the left.

FearMonger said:  … “Issues” indeed. You’ve got “issues” all right.

Now That’s funny!

Guitarzan,

I don’t have the patience to block quote out everything right now, but…

1) Yeah, I was sooo serious about making everyone feel inadequate. Can anyone take a joke around here?
2) Of course the CRA was passed by a larger percentage of Republicans. A larger percentage of Republicans also fought for the Union in the Civil War. But enough Democrats voted FOR the CRA, that the Dixiecrat went extinct and was reborn less than a generation later as a Republican buying into the GOP “Southern Strategy.”
3) You mean DemocratIC party. If you can’t even have the basic respect to say the name correctly, why do you think you deserve the basic respect of a reply? But no matter how much words may hurt, the proof is in the policy. Democrats favor policy that attempts to eradicate INSTITUTIONAL racism, not INDIVIDUAL racism.
4) No, the GOP-controlled Congress did all that, even going so far as to lock the doors of committee rooms to keep Democrats from getting in. And for the first time in Senate history, a Senator objected to holding meetings after 2pm the day after health reform passed, forcing taxpayers to pay the travel expenses of Generals flying in from Asia to attend those meetings. The Senator was a Republican, of course. Nice try but survey says! BZZZZ!
5) The VAST majority of welfare recipients are and have always been poor whites. Your assumption that minorities benefit disproportionately is based on a misconception about the basic facts. Welfare to workfare was Clinton’s bill, you know the guy that said “the era of big government is over.” Yeah, it passed a GOP-controlled Congress. Big surprise. And the efficacy of the program is spotty at best. It doesn’t disproportionately benefit anyone because its benefits are in question… still!

“You really have a poor understanding of how things are. That (apparently) is why you are such an advocate for the left.”

I could wail on you at this point. I could pound on you like a rented mule. But I won’t because maybe you’re just worked up by my antagonisms. Yeah, I antagonize antagonistic people. So, if that’s you, we’ll find out shortly. If you’re really just trying to clear up some facts, let’s see ‘em.

Guitarzan said:
Now That’s funny!

Yeah, that was pretty clever. Even a broken clock… ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
The list below is just a few quick selections from this thread. If I scoured the rest of the boards, it would take me a week to detail all your personal attacks and blanket statements. “Self-deluded bigot, Know Thyself…” Physician, heal thyself. You’re a joke… That last one in response to your indignation over “you people.” As I said, you’re a joke, but not funny “ha ha.” When you can finally distinguish between attacks on ideas and attacks on character, I’ll be interested in what you have to say. Not before.

Wow dude. You need help. One of those quotes wasn’t even mine. I attributed it quite clearly to RD Walker but ….. like everything else…. you see what you want to see.

Your comprehension of the written word, however, is inexcusable and woefully lacking. But MANY THANKS for posting the quotes that were ACTUALLY mine as they prove my case that the tone of your rhetoric is hateful (and ridiculous) and mine, in comparison, is DOWNRIGHT DIPLOMATIC.

Anybody who doesn’t see through hate-colored glasses can see that for themselves. And btw… I couldn’t care less if you are ‘interested in what I have to say’. You come in here spouting BS stereotypes and hateful rhetoric I’m gonna call you out…..

Paul Westlake said:
Because that’s my right as an American. Dig it!

You’re right. I did miss your glowing attribution and full endorsement of RD Walker’s blanket judgment of all liberals. They were not YOUR words, just words you were VERY PROUD to associate yourself with. You hate stereotypes so much you called one out from RD Walker and held it up for praise. I said I threw it together quickly, but it was still wrong to attribute those words to you directly. My apologies.

You’re a hypocrite. And while it is your right as an American to be both wrong and a pompous ass, it’s also my right to point that out.

Guitarzan said:
That’s just one example; there are myriad. You really have a poor understanding of how things are. That (apparently) is why you are such an advocate for the left.

LMAO! Well said! “Poor understanding of how things are” for sure but….. they are experts at painting with that big bigot brush. I’m sure you breathed a big SIGH of relief that Paul withheld the lashes…..

Paul Westlake said:
I could wail on you at this point. I could pound on you like a rented mule.

I’ll go back to my original challenge and see if this douche has learned anything….

Paul Westlake said:
Nearly every comment here from neo-cons like you is about how every single liberal, every last one of us! is a racist, abortion-loving, military-hating, anti-christian demon-spawn from hell.

Paul Westlake said:
You reap what you sow: every person that disagrees with reactionary conservative ideology is called stupid, an ass hole AND arrogant all at once. Nearly every time, the comment is something like, “you’re really stupid, really naive, probably in a Satanic cult (aka, ACORN, or something), oh, and btw, we really don’t like your liberal, ivy-league, latte-sipping, Volvo-driving, baby-killing, child-molesting, drug-addicted ARROGANCE!”

Again I say to you ….PROVE IT ASSHOLE. And btw…. you’re BS backpedaling is just as old and tired as your race card. Attack like a banshee and then when somebody calls you out on your BS you call it ‘satire’ and ‘can’t anybody take a joke’. Not from a hatemonger like you Paul…. the shit ain’t funny. Period.

Even the liberal writer of this article knows that Grayson is a joke deserved of ridicule. You have no problem with what Grayson said so… what does that make you?

FearMonger said:
Again I say to you ….PROVE IT ASSHOLE.

I already did, douchewad. You’re right. This shit ain’t fucking funny! And people like you are the reason crazy fucks fly airplanes into IRS buildings. Ass hole!

Paul Westlake said:
You’re a hypocrite. And while it is your right as an American to be both wrong and a pompous ass, it’s also my right to point that out.

You’re welcome to try but I certainly hope you will do a better job at it than you’ve done so far. btw…. this is just as WRONG as the rest of your BS

Paul Westlake said:
You hate stereotypes so much

Stereotypes have their place and exist for a reason. Some are more true than others and some are just plain false. My problem is when they involve HATEFUL, NASTY RHETORIC which is all you seem to know Paul. Debating/ disagreeing is one thing, but when you start race-baiting (which you did right from the moment you weighed in on this thread) you have proven yourself to be part of the problem.

The stereotypes I have perpetuated don’t say anything about Satan, stupidity, baby-killing, child-molesting. witches OR demons. I certainly DO believe that liberals think they know what’s best for everybody else. The proof of that is everywhere, including right here on this thread. You yourself have tried to tell me who to vote for, Paul. The worst part is, when we push back against shit bills being forced down out throats, we are smacked across the face with The Race Card.

The only ones (of any REAL significance) who don’t want to see This Great Country TRULY ‘transcend race’ are the race-baiters on the left. What will you do, Paul, when you no longer have race to use as a wedge? I can’t wait to find out and the day is coming….

My guess…. you’ll be just another regular ol’ pissed off boring white liberal with nobody to hate but himself….plus you’ll only have yourself to blame for winding up RIGHT BACK in the political minority.

Gonna suck to be you November 3rd.

Paul Westlake said:
I already did, douchewad. You’re right. This shit ain’t fucking funny! And people like you are the reason crazy fucks fly airplanes into IRS buildings. Ass hole!

That’s your idea of ‘proof’…..LMAO! I was wrong about you Paul, you really ARE funny! Not in a ‘ha ha’ way of course… but still good for a belly-laugh.

btw… who said this?….

Paul Westlake said:
I’m not afraid to get my feelings hurt.

I guess the truth hurts a little more than you thought, huh Paul?

Funny to me…. when leftwingers are proven to be WAY too hateful and nasty with their rhetoric they get all pissed off but ….they ALMOST NEVER simply admit that their characterizations of what us ‘neo-cons’ ALWAYS and NEVER do was off base and unfair and divisive.

Shame on you Paul for being so blinded by ideology that you can’t recognize your own venom.

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Paul Westlake said:
When you can finally distinguish between attacks on ideas and attacks on character, I’ll be interested in what you have to say

btw…. pretty much ALL I’ve seen from you are “attacks on character”. Of course, it’s possible I missed something between all the hateful stereotypes and accusations of racism.

I mean really….

Paul Westlake said:
I know the code. I know what “take my country back” means.

rotflmfao!! dang dude…. take off the hate-colored glasses and recognize the real reasons why the Country is headed in the wrong direction. Or you can simply keep blaming everything on the (R) which just makes you look stupid. You say the people at the Restoring Honor rally would have been in the KKK a couple of short generations ago and you see nothing at all wrong with that. Fine by me….

It’s a win/ win as far as I’m concerned. You either WAKE UP and stop being part of the problem, or you keep repelling people from the left to the right with your hateful rhetoric. Either way is OK with me. The only real variable is whether YOU choose to let go of your prejudice and find some serenity or YOU choose to keep projecting your prejudice and stay mad.

I hope you choose to embrace good folks like the ones who showed up at the 8-28 rally. They set a great example with their conduct. They set the bar so high that IMO they have created a new standard. Future rallies will be hard pressed to live up to it. Your life will be enriched when you let go of your pre-conceived ideas about people like that and finally LISTEN to what they are saying LOUDLY AND CLEARLY. It’s not hatred…. it’s LOVE. Love of Country and America’s future generations and a LEGITIMATE concern about the size and scope of government / the increasing role it plays in everyones lives.

Like I said, the choice is yours…. wake up and become part of the solution or keep spewing hate banshee style and making it easy to recruit new (R)’s.

Either way I’m happy.

FearMonger said:
Stereotypes have their place and exist for a reason.

So first you attack me for stereotyping the cons who use stereotypes and then you defend stereotyping when I point out your involvement in it.

You’re still a joke… and NOT required reading.

Wow. I just mopped the floor with your stupid ass and that’s all you have to say? Truly disappointing.

Besides the fact that you pulled that quote out of the context that qualifies it ….

FearMonger said:
Stereotypes have their place and exist for a reason. Some are more true than others and some are just plain false. My problem is when they involve HATEFUL, NASTY RHETORIC which is all you seem to know Paul.

you also ignore the fact that I said IN ALL CAPS why some stereotyping (like yours) is deserved of ridicule. I’m glad to see that you decided not to address the other assertions I made about you. It speaks well of you … that you are capable of introspection and objective analysis.

Maybe I was wrong about you when I said this….

FearMonger said:
I guess the truth hurts a little more than you thought, huh Paul?
Funny to me…. when leftwingers are proven to be WAY too hateful and nasty with their rhetoric they get all pissed off but ….they ALMOST NEVER simply admit that their characterizations of what us ‘neo-cons’ ALWAYS and NEVER do was off base and unfair and divisive.
Shame on you Paul for being so blinded by ideology that you can’t recognize your own venom.

Perhaps you DID recognize your own venom. That would explain why your tone has changed. I’m not trying to take credit for anything (and you certainly haven’t admitted to being WRONG about anything) but I AM hoping that you comprehended my comments about being ‘off base and unfair and divisive.’

Maybe next time you will tone down the rhetoric in a renewed effort to keep the discussion civil…. We can hope, right?

FearMonger said:
Wow. I just mopped the floor with your stupid ass and that’s all you have to say? Truly disappointing.

Please accept my apology for calling you ‘stupid’. Clearly you are not ‘stupid’. I had just re-read this personal attack on me and I was ticked when I started writing and then I forgot to proofread before I hit the ‘SUBMIT’ button.

Paul Westlake said:
How dare you whine and cry victim about being called out for WHAT YOU ARE! You’re damn right! Don’t like the label? Stop voting for racist candidates, calling into racist radio programs, posting racist rhetoric on the internet, and crying victim when you’re called out for the racist pig you are.

Again I apologize. I’m still a bit ticked that you felt justified in saying such nasty things to someone you’ve never met but…. still it was no excuse to call you ‘stupid’.

FearMonger said:
you also ignore the fact that I said IN ALL CAPS why some stereotyping (like yours) is deserved of ridicule.

Yes, I am mostly ignoring you now, because you openly admit that stereotyping from the right is acceptable but stereotyping from the left is not. You’re a hypocrite… and still a joke.

But, yes, I can be quite introspective. I question my motives all the time. Just not based on anything you say.

FearMonger said:
Please accept my apology for calling you ’stupid’. Clearly you are not ’stupid’. I had just re-read this personal attack on me and I was ticked when I started writing and then I forgot to proofread before I hit the ‘SUBMIT’ button.

Again I apologize. I’m still a bit ticked that you felt justified in saying such nasty things to someone you’ve never met but…. still it was no excuse to call you ’stupid’.

I just noticed this, well after I had posted my previous response. I accept your apology and similarly wish to extend my remorse and apology if our shouting match is really based on some mutual misunderstandings. I take you at your word and am more than willing to turn over a new leaf.

I don’t know where the vitriol started on these boards (whenever that was) but I walked into what appeared to be an orgy of conservative hate speech. So, many of my comments have had serious doses of snark injected, if for no other reason but to break the reverie. I’m not here to get my kicks pissing on conservatives (I can do that on Twitter). I’ve seen both liberals and conservatives spin themselves off into fantasies of their own creation simply because they refused to leave the feedback loop. I’m just trying to disrupt the loop a bit. (You should see how much I piss off my liberal friends when I play the Devil’s advocate with them!) We just have to stop eating the candy all the time. All of us.

I like to think it’s possible to create a dialog with everyone, no matter how much bad water has flowed under the bridge. I am gratified that we aren’t shouting anymore and eager to see if we might find some common ground on at least the process, if not the outcome.

I have a question. Did Florida voters know what this guy was like when they voted for him or did his crazy come out only after? Not taking a political position here — plenty of nutties in the world of politics, both sides — but this guy is definitely out there! I wouldn’t vote for him…he’s skeery!

Guitarzan says:
I’m actually somewhat skeptical. You don’t seem to write with the sophistication that would be required of cadets at a military academy. I’m not commenting on what you’re saying, only on how you’re saying it.

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Paul Westlake said:
I just noticed this, well after I had posted my previous response. I accept your apology and similarly wish to extend my remorse and apology if our shouting match is really based on some mutual misunderstandings. I take you at your word and am more than willing to turn over a new leaf.

If you are serious about this you could start by denouncing these comments by Grayson. There is no place for shit like that in civil discourse and if you intend to defend such hatespeech then there will be no common ground for us to find.

FearMonger said:
If you are serious about this you could start by denouncing these comments by Grayson. There is no place for shit like that in civil discourse and if you intend to defend such hatespeech then there will be no common ground for us to find.

It was a stupid thing for a public figure to say, because it’s not fully accurate and it stirs up divisions. However, I hold fast to my conviction that Beck is a race-baiter, if not actually a racist. Do I really think all those people are racists and all their ancestors were in the KKK? Of course not. But I fight fire with fire. And I do think there was a disturbingly strong strain of xenophobia coursing through that crowd. I don’t need cleverly edited video to read t-shirts.

If you want Dems to condemn our own when they step out of line, you have to demonstrate your willingness to do the same. For instance: media personalities from the left I think go too far – Ed Schultz (a lot), KO (a little), Jane Hamsher (too often), Markos (now and again). Can you at least agree that Ann Coulter and Lou Dobbs go too far?

I don’t know much about Lou. I put Rush and Ann and Hannity in the same category. They are provocative and YES, IMO they ‘go too far’. I know why they do what they do but I disagree with giving the leftwingers soundbites that they know damned well will stir the pot.

For example, Rush said “YES, I WANT OBAMA TO FAIL” knowing exactly what would come next. Of course any thinking person puts the quote in context and understands that he thinks BO’s policies are terrible for America and thus ‘hopes Obama fails’ but but but…. it still gives the ammo to Wanda and Co. to influence the gullible sheep out there.

Of course, it’s EXACTLY what Rush knew would happen but … me personally…. I think it’s bad strategy. There are bunches and bunches of well-meaning folks out there who only pick up on the very tip of the iceberg. In other words, they don’t have the stomach for politics and their filter only picks up the biggest and loudest BS that gets trumpeted. THOSE are the people that win and lose elections. They vote with the prevailing wind and both sides need them to win so… they need to make sure the wind is favorable… even if it’s really just loud farts (hot air).

I have a friend who is EXACTLY the kind of person i am describing. He knows just enough to be dangerous and he is gullible. Bless his heart,…. I love him like a brother…. but he has the attention span of a gnat. I told him it really pisses me off that his uninformed vote can cancel mine “if he don’t vote right” but … EVEN HE is now resolute in who he is voting for November 2nd.

And it ain’t got shit to do with race.

Anyway, from what I gather from you we are alike in some ways. We both fight fire with fire and can get as nasty as the next guy. I really didn’t pay much attention to politics until the 2000 election. The attempt to steal Florida opened my eyes and I have been watching closely ever since and I must say…. while there is dirty politics around every corner on both sides….. I find much more hypocrisy on the left.

I’m sure you are of the opposite opinion.

But since we are ‘demonstrating our willingness’ to be diplomatic…. you will admit that Bush won Florida fair and square and therefore the 2000 election, right? I’m sure I don’t need to remind you about the independent recounts that ALL showed Bush winning by greater and greater margins, depending on how ‘liberally’ the ballots were counted.

I’m sure you also understand that the (D) efforts to recount only a few heavily (D) counties in FLA would have disenfranchised every voter in the state. The ONLY fair way to recount ANY votes in Florida would have been to recount ALL the votes in Florida. I would have supported that.

But that dirty shit they tried to pull with Gore v. Florida…. it disgusted me then and it disgusts me now. Like I said, it woke me up to the hypocrisy….. bemoaning the ‘rights of the voters’ while trying desperately to give more weight to handpicked sections. Ridiculous BS.

And all of it started over a confusing ballot in ONE COUNTY. When they realized that ONE COUNTY wouldn’t yield enough votes to thwart the Will of The People they picked the counties that would help them the most and included them in the lawsuit… knowing full well that if the WHOLE state was recounted they would still lose.

And yet we STILL have leftwingers who keep repeating that BIG LIE.

Before I launch into the 2000 vote discussion, I just want to say thanks for putting in the effort. ;-)

Gore was wrong to keep moving the goalposts on the recounts. He should’ve requested a State-wide recount and let it go at that. Agreed. But there are three components of the Florida vote in 2000 that I think you’re overlooking:

First, 82,389 mostly eligible, mostly black, Florida voters were purged from the voter rolls in the months leading up to the election by Database Technologies, hired by Katherine Harris’ department. From the Washington Post:

From the beginning, Database Technologies raised serious concerns that non-felons could be misidentified. … “Obviously, we want to capture more names that possibly aren’t matches,” said Emmett “Bucky” Mitchell, who headed the state purge effort, in a March 1999 e-mail to Database Technologies product manager Marlene Thorogood, who had warned him of possible mistakes. … Clay Roberts, director of the state’s division of elections, confirmed the policy. … “The decision was made to do the match in such a way as not to be terribly strict on the name.” “We warned them,” said James E. Lee, vice president of communications for the company. “The list was exactly what the state wanted. They said, ‘The counties will verify the information, so you don’t have to.’”

By the time aggressive tactics were being used on the ground by lefties, the pattern of disenfranchisement had been well known and blown all over the State. Just like you and I when we get our hackles up, they felt wronged and wanted to level the field. Especially in light of these two items:

1) Out-of-State RNC operatives in suits and ties descended on the Broward County clerks office and nearly smashed the doors trying to get in and disrupt the recount. If cameras hadn’t been rolling quite visibly, it might have been much more violent than it ultimately was (just some broken glass).

2) SCOTUS actually had no jurisdiction over a State recount. That fact is verified by this phrase from the Bush v Gore ruling:

“Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances, for the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities.”

The Supreme Court is not Constitutionally permitted to make one-off decisions, in exactly the same way Congress is not allowed to pass Bills of Attainder or Ex Post Facto laws. The Federal government is restricted from making or enforcing any law that is not uniform in its application (which makes invoking the Equal protection clause particularly galling in this instance). Since electoral law is a State jurisdiction, SCOTUS had no legal privilege to insert itself in the legal proceedings.

But the true failing was not theirs or even Gore’s. The true failure is owned by the Florida Supreme Court. They are under no obligation to defer to the Superiority of SCOTUS in rulings that have no equivalent in Federal statute. The proper response to Bush v Gore was for the Florida Supremes to vacate SCOTUS’ ruling immediately as unconstitutional within the jurisdiction of Florida, and order the recount to resume. Florida NEEDED to reassert its States’ rights after that ruling, but rolled over and played dead instead. THAT precedent will open a can of worms for all of us, especially conservatives who feel very strongly about States’ rights. SCOTUS has now set a precedent (even though they pretended not to in the ruling) that sanctions Federal courts to intervene in State laws, even where there is no Federal statute being enforced. We can both say what we want about medical marijuana enforcement or the case against SB1070, but right or wrong, they both have Federal equivalents.

Sometimes the process favors one side and sometimes it favors the other side. But SCOTUS decided to toss out the process in favor of a predetermined outcome (they knew full well that their ruling would hand Bush the Presidency). If the recount had been allowed to proceed as normal, and Bush had won, even with the purges, I would’ve sat down and said “he stole it fair and square, just like Kennedy.” But SCOTUS’ ruling was essentially a coup d’etat, and moreso for States’ rights than anything else. A real coup d’etat involves armies and juntas that immediately put the populace underfoot. This was just a selected regime change, but it still wasn’t right and illustrates perfectly my point about process versus outcome. And there can be no doubt about the erosion of States’ rights that accompanied that ruling.

Don’t take my phrasings to be aimed at you, btw. That you and I are talking with civility says much about our understanding of process. What irks me is when officials who should know better throw their morals aside to get the outcome they desire. And I really think that’s what happened in Bush v Gore.

PS – This was poorly phrased laziness on my part:

“By the time aggressive tactics were being used on the ground by lefties, the pattern of disenfranchisement had been well known and blown all over the State. Just like you and I when we get our hackles up, they felt wronged and wanted to level the field. Especially in light of these two items…”

Should have been more like especially in light of item #1 (early in process), and finished off with item #2 (end of process).

Paul Westlake said:
Yes, I am mostly ignoring you now, because you openly admit that stereotyping from the right is acceptable but stereotyping from the left is not. You’re a hypocrite… and still a joke.

I forgot to address this… I never said stereotyping is OK for one side and not for the other. I said ….

FearMonger said:
Stereotypes have their place and exist for a reason. Some are more true than others and some are just plain false.

The difference between your interpretation and what I ACTUALLY said are clear.
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Anyway… there is one HUGE component of the discussion about the 2000 election that you are missing that deserves consideration. And btw… I absorbed what you wrote and will research it further when I have time but…. I doubt it would have the same chilling effect as this…..

The MSM called the election for Gore while the polls were still open in Florida. I’ve had people tell me that it made no difference and to that I say BULLSHIT. Anybody who understands ‘the thrill of victory vs. the agony of defeat’ understands why the announcement that BUSH LOST kept untold numbers of voters from making the effort. So… if we’re going to talk about people being ‘purged from the voter rolls’ I submit that it happened on a MASSIVE scale in a matter of a few seconds with the announcement that GORE WON FLORIDA.

I hope you understand what I’m saying and don’t try to marginalize the impact. I have family in Pensacola… they got home from work and saw the news and NONE OF THEM VOTED THAT NIGHT because they felt deflated and knew it was for a losing cause. Meanwhile the Gore voters were high as a kite and couldn’t wait to go get their “I VOTED” stickers.

I believe there is fertile ground (and mucho dinero) for any author who will give the whole thing a fair assessment and REPORT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED FROM ALL ANGLES. But any which way you look at it … it was wrong as hell for them to try to get cherry-picked counties recounted by hand.

Disenfranchisement of an entire state and nobody on the left said BOO about it.

I could bring up a point of disagreement on the stereotyping but why don’t we just let that one go? ;-)

I do not discount the emotional impact of calling a race before the polls have closed. Until it happened on election night, most non-Floridians had no idea that the western panhandle was in the Central Time Zone. I agree that it had to have at least some impact on voter enthusiasm in the final 11 minutes of voting. But there are a few reasons that it doesn’t rise to the level of the other points I raised.

All five networks doing live election night coverage made the same call at roughly the same time, including Fox, which began at 7:49pm EST. While I’m sure there were plenty of voters who may have been discouraged and actually left the polls or turned for home when they heard it on the news, unless those people were within 11 minutes of voting, it’s unlikely that it had any impact at all. I’ve seen claims that as many as 20,000 people were discouraged from voting as a result of the early call, and I think we can both agree that 20,000 people, in a region that sees about 500 total voters per hour all day, is assuming a statistical outlier that just isn’t manifest. Even if all those voters were Republican, at the standard clip for voting, fewer than 100 Bush votes would have been lost i9n those last 11 minutes as a result of the early call. And even if we double it for the sake of assuming last-minute voters stacked the final hour, that’s still fewer than 200 votes, well below the 2,000 vote margin on election night, and still below the final official count of three and change.

Since Fox was just as hip-deep in the fuck up, I see less of a conspiracy and more of a national newsdesk snafu. Up in NYC or DC, where all the shows broadcast, unless you happen to have a staffer from the region, you’re unlikely to have much local expertise in the room. All it takes is one net to announce and they all dive in, so all it took that night was for one producer to think that all of Florida had closed, pull the trigger, and set the cascade in motion. There was another cascade and retraction later in the night when Fox erroneously called Florida for Bush and set the other nets in motion. The VNS was dismantled after 2000 and never seen again as a result of the early call, as the nets and the AP came under intense fire for that blemish.

But in the final analysis, the nets were bit players that night. Gore was fuck up number one for cherry-picking counties – I actually said it out loud to my TV screen when I heard what he was doing… something like “you dumb fuck! get the whole State and take your chances or concede now because cherry-picking precincts is gonna go over like a lead balloon!” I did, I really did.

But fuck ups numbers 2 through 6 were the five SCOTUS Justices who usurped State authority (and I didn’t hear a peep about that from the righties), and fuck ups number 7 through infinity were the Florida Supremes who had the law right in front of their faces and refused to enforce it.

So, if people discount your point in principle, they’re wrong. Calling a race early is huge and stupid and anti-democratic. But in this case, the likelihood that it could have impacted the race, even if the numbers were reversed and Gore was the one on top, and even if we generously double the voter turnout from the western panhandle, the numbers still aren’t big enough, in 11 minutes of voting, to have changed the outcome, imo.

Wow dude. As many times as you repeated that ’11 minutes’ chant one would think that you would have double checked it. The polls in Florida were open until 8 PM….. which means…. wait for it…… can you guess?

The 11 minutes of disenfranchisement that you are trying to discount were STATEWIDE. The panhandle got 71 minutes worth. Put that in your calculator and let me know what you come up with.

But nice try!!!

This is interesting….

http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/lott200312100915.asp

The National Review is as unreliable from my POV as The Nation is from yours. My information comes from two sources: Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, and my own two eyes. I’m 41 years old, 2000 was not my first rodeo. I was watching that night and every day with rapt attention until SCOTUS intervened. The polls closed at 7pm statewide in Florida… but in the western panhandle, 7pm was central, ergo, 8pm eastern. But the official poll closing time was 7pm as was widely reported on video that can still be accessed on YouTube. You can go see the reporting for yourself. No links from me so you can trust what you find.

When the first announcement went out at 7:49ET, the polls in most of Florida had been closed for 49 minutes. The only reason any outlet reported at that time is because they were wrong about all of Florida’s polls being closed. But no network would have called Florida before they THOUGHT the polls were closed, because that’s a direct violation of editorial policy for ALL networks, regardless of any preconceived biases. Remember, this was collective fuck up. I’m not discounting your impression that lefties can be responsible for dirty tricks as much as their opponents, but I really don’t see this particular incident as an example of liberal media bias. The AP is widely regarded as mostly conservative (always have been) and Fox is obvious. Even if the other four nets involved were hard left ideologues, they’d have to have the cooperation of their VNS partners to pull off a stunt like that, and I just can’t see Fox and the AP going along with that.

But don’t take my word for it, go look at the election night coverage and you’ll see everyone reporting all of Florida closing at 7pm ET. They were wrong, but I don’t think they were stealing.

PS – When I say “watching,” I’m saying something a bit more involved than the average voter… I have two TVs tuned to two different news nets going almost all the time when I’m home. During the 2000 election, I had three sets on their own boxes – CNN and FOX on permanently, and flipping with the third box. As a media pro, I make it my business to know who’s doing what and how. It was a long time ago now, so I had to supplement my memory with current research, but the night pretty much unfolded as I described in my earlier post.

Listen, I know how passionate you are about this and that I’m not going to convince you overnight. But if you fairly research the data, I think you’ll find that your indignation has been inflated by the belief that the polls closed fully an hour later than they really did. Last night, in about five minutes of searching, I found both Bernard Shaw (CNN) and Peter Jennings (ABC) announcing 7pm as the closing time for Florida, and a host of other supporting material from reputable sources, like FAIR. I won’t send you links to “The Nation” or “Mother Jones” if you don’t send me links to “National Review” or “Fox.” Deal? ;-)

My bad. I shuda known better than to take NR’s word for it. Seriously, My apologies.

I could still argue about the 11 minutes…. knowing that everyone in line when the clock strikes the top-o-the-hour still gets to vote. We can never know how many might have been in line had the networks NOT had their wishful thinking on. Also I seem to remember getting the distinct (sinking) feeling as I watched the results coming in that FLA was definitely trending for Gore. I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER them repeating the line over and over again that if Gore won Florida then Bush had virtually ZERO chance.

So… an MSM ‘conspiracy’? Nah…at least not with INTENT. But but but…. WISHFUL THINKING/ PROJECTION allowing their personal BIAS to actually influence REAL NEWS….. absolutely. The bias of that night is well documented. I thought Dan Rather was gonna cry when they later called it for Bush.

btw…. NBC was the first to call it (hmmmmm) and the rest parroted the line. That’s a ‘collective fuck-up’ only in the sense that they followed the leader (irresponsibly).

Anyway… you’ve opened my eyes to a few things but IMO none of it changes the FACT that Bush had more votes in Florida.

Paul Westlake said:
82,389 mostly eligible, mostly black, Florida voters were purged from the voter rolls

There is SO much in that statement that can be dissected. Just in my superficial reading I have come across a ton of info that says that this is bogus for several reasons. In my own experience though, I was purged from the voter rolls here in my county in 2008. No shit. They said I had moved 2 counties north. I said “I’m right here”. I still wonder about that …. if someone is voting under my name 2 counties north of here.

In other words, shit happens. I have a feeling that we’re actually talking about a few cases of mistaken identity… collateral damage in a much larger (and justified) effort to ensure that legal votes weren’t diluted by illegal ones. That may have been what happened to me and it was easily rectified. Nothing there to constitute a conspiracy to disenfranchise a particular voting block.

KnowudImean? Just because someone got purged by mistake doesn’t mean they didn’t get to vote. I mean, they ARE American citizens. They have rights and they have remedies when those rights are violated. In other words, they aren’t helpless.

If you are saying that over 42,000 ELIGIBLE VOTERS weren’t able to vote in Florida in 2000 for fraudulent reasons then I will entertain whatever proof you provide. Otherwise this is just more conspiracy theorizing.

Sorry this post is all over the place… I’m doing 5 things as I write it.

FearMonger said:
Anyway… you’ve opened my eyes to a few things but IMO none of it changes the FACT that Bush had more votes in Florida.

Absolutely right. Bush had more votes in every count. And since there was neither a full Statewide recount, nor a request for one from Gore, I’m not suggesting anything about the count itself was biased. And I don’t discount your impression about Rather, he’s always been one of the most emotional and obvious reporters and there’s no doubt that he’s a lefty. I tried to hard to find who first reported the Gore win that night, but I couldn’t. I’ll take your word for it that it was NBC, but would you mind double-checking on that when you can?

I don’t discount your points about purging voter rolls of the legally disenfranchised (felons, non-residents, etc), and I’m sure some of those nearly 90,000 fell perfectly into that category. But because the final tally was so close, and because most of those voters were from heavily Democratic districts, I understand why many people still hold that up as the main culprit – especially in light of that email [caps emphasis added]:

“Obviously, we want to capture MORE names that possibly AREN’T matches,” said Emmett “Bucky” Mitchell, who headed the state purge effort, in a March 1999 e-mail to Database Technologies product manager Marlene Thorogood, who had warned him of possible mistakes…”

Dirty tricks are part of American politics and both sides do it. So, like I said, if there’d been a full Statewide recount, and Bush had been declared the victor, I would have had no complaint. I don’t blame the Bush camp for fighting all the way through the process, that’s what partisans are supposed to do. My villains are SCOTUS and the Florida Supreme Court, who had an obligation to rise above politics in that situation. And in my opinion, they failed miserably.

PS – I’m also doing several things and all over the place, so no standing on ceremony on my end. ;-)

I know you probably disagree and I know that I have no way of ACTUALLY knowing this for sure but… I believe the right man was in the WH when 9-11 went down. One thing about Dubya, you knew where he stood. The very things that some people hate him for are IMO some of his best attributes. There is something to be said for keeping it simple and when that man said …. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH (aka “you’re either WITH us or you’re AGAINST us”) I felt EXACTLY the same way.

People can ‘hate America’ all they want and for whatever reasons they can concoct but NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING can justify such actions and ANYBODY who thinks that shit was okay in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER is my enemy. Fuck ‘em.

And that includes Saddam, who was constantly taking pot shots at our fighter pilots and ignoring countless UN resolutions. Not to mention that he offered a reward to assassinate a sitting US President among countless other abominations against mankind in general.

In other words, I’m glad he’s dead. Fuck him.

I’m still holding out hope that Iraq will flourish. They could really be a beacon in a dark part of the world. It appears that Iran is ripe for revolution….. if the Iraqi people take the reigns and set a good example they could lead the way to a more peaceful Middle East.

And just think…. that ‘unjustified war’ will be the genesis of the whole thing.

Speaking of ‘unjustified’…. did you see what Fareed Zakaria said? WOW. It brings to mind the old ‘Which came first, the chicken or the egg’ question. It’s easy to look back now and say “See, they weren’t a threat” after we killed HOW many of the leaders? After we got all up in their grills foiled HOW many plots? After we devoted HOW many resources to terrorism?

Geez. Talk about ‘revisionism’. That’s EXACTLY the kind of attitude that allows history to repeat itself.

btw…. did you really say somebody (anybody) ‘had an obligation to rise above politics’? lol Is there such a thing anymore?

It reminds me of that discussion in TRUTH OR DARE …if I remember right somebody asks Warren Beatty about his and Madonna’s life “off camera” and he says sarcastically “WHAT’S ‘OFF CAMERA’? Why would ANYBODY do ANYTHING ‘off camera’?”

That’s todays political climate. EVERYTHING is tied to politics… and you don’t need ’6 degrees’ to connect the dots either.

Oh yeah… I forgot to give you my opinion about Fareed, who I once held in high regard….

Fuck him.

That’s a lot to digest and I have a lot on my plate right now. Give me til Friday and I’ll come back. Promise.

Paul Westlake said:
Guitarzan,

You mean DemocratIC party. If you can’t even have the basic respect to say the name correctly, why do you think you deserve the basic respect of a reply? But no matter how much words may hurt, the proof is in the policy.

No, I don’t. I would be perfectly happy to call the Democrat party anything they like, as long as the name doesn’t imply something false. Democrats (not Democratics…) are not pro democracy, and circumvent it often. I do not call their party the Democrat party out of lack of respect, but out of unwillingness to be co-opted into something dishonest.

Paul Westlake said:
That’s a lot to digest and I have a lot on my plate right now. Give me til Friday and I’ll come back. Promise.

SADLY, I MUST GO TO BED ON THIS FRIDAY AT 11 PM WITH A BROKEN HEART FROM A BROKEN PROMISE… UNLESS OF COURSE YOU FULFILL IT IN THE NEXT HOUR EST… OR NEXT 4 PST…. WHICH I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE TOMORROW AS A PROMISE KEPT.

OTHERWISE I WILL FILE IT IN THE CATEGORY OF ‘AN OBAMA PROMISE’ WHICH…. AS WE ALL KNOW… AIN’T WORTH A SHIT.

Sorry, life creeps up sometimes. The promise to address your comment stands. Busy tomorrow, check back late Sunday.

It’s cool. I was just ribbin’ ya’ anyway. Technically, depending on your time zone, you didn’t break your promise of responding Friday.

Believe me, I understand that life intervenes sometimes. Have a good weekend.

I did have a nice weekend and I hope you did, too. I avoided lower Manhattan. Too much anger for 9/11.

FearMonger said:
I believe the right man was in the WH when 9-11 went down.

When it comes to the aftermath of the event, I don’t disagree with your assessment of Bush’s morale boost. When it comes to the event itself, I think the Bush admin was so focused on scrubbing Clinton from the books and winning political victories that they let their guard down. Everyone knows about Bush’s response to the August warning, “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.” (Washington post, I hope, is agreeable to you: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/19/AR2006061901211.html)

When it comes to Saddam, he was one of the petty dictators we called “friend” before we turned on him. Look up the history of the first Gulf War and pay close attention to the roles played by Margaret Tutwiler and April Glaspie. I’m far from saying Saddam was a good guy, but the cost in lives and treasure was not worth the result. Iraq would have made a more peaceful transition to a post-Saddam democracy with our covert help and rigid containment, which was working (and less costly to the US treasury). Yes, he took pot shots and antagonized in dozens of ways, but America needs to be more prudent with declarations of war. At the very least, have a serious plan for winning the peace if war is the only option believed to be available.

I place the real blame not at Bush’s doorstep, but at the doorsteps of people like Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, who PROMISED OVER AND OVER AGAIN that less is more – small footprint, counter-terror units in conjunction with trusted locals would do the job. Iraq would even pay for itself, they promised and promised and promised. They were wrong. Just ten years after the Powell Doctrine made mince-meat of Saddam’s war machine, the entire concept (one that is actually as old as warfare itself) was abandoned. Every serious student of the post-WW II occupations of Germany and Japan knew that fewer than a quarter-million troops would be insufficient in either theater.

America has been able to defeat any army in its path since the Revolution. We’re also really good at winning the peace when we’re serious about the job and use the full array of resources required, included WAY more troops than Rumsfeld and company understood. I assumed there would be a massive marketing campaign to encourage able-bodied patriots to join the fight after 9-11. I waited and waited for the call to go make Afghanistan the Germany of Asia, defeated in its hostility and rebuilt as an economic powerhouse and permanent American ally. I kept waiting for some low-level staffer to generate a report that he could be scapegoated for, but that would enable Rumsfeld to admit he needed more troops. I kept hoping they would realize the folly and find a face-saving out and finish the job right. Then nine years passed, and Americans have lost their stomach for Afghanistan almost as much as they have for Iraq. I supported the war in Afghanistan wholeheartedly. What I never supported was doing it in such a half-assed way.

I didn’t see Fareed last week but I’m sure I’ll catch up eventually. The only points I’ll make about disrupted terror plots are 1) some of the plots “disrupted” by the Bushies were little more than two Al Qaeda wannabes and a German Shepherd, and 2) that being said, there ARE people out to get us, some of them are trying to get their hands on nukes, and we should never be complacent in the face of nihilism.

I don’t disagree that everything is tied to politics, and I don’t claim to have all the saints on my side, but I would posit that conservative TV and radio have taken it to a new level with the election of Obama. I can’t say it would have been better with Hillary. In many ways I think it would have been worse – sexism is still the universal “ism,” and I remind people all the time that black men got the vote fully 50 years before white women. I don’t think all of the critique is racist or that all the critique would have been sexist with Hillary, just that the presence of those “isms” in some of the references (veiled and not so veiled) made on the airwaves would not have reached the same fever-pitch with an avuncular white male, even Teddy! I can see Glen Beck accusing Hillary of having a deep-seated hatred for men, but I can’t see him finding an equivalent “ism” to attack with Teddy. And, honestly, anyone who believes Obama is truly a racist with a “deep-seated hatred for all white people” just hasn’t been paying attention, or doesn’t believe it and just wants to make a sensational statement to boost ratings.

I made it before the weekend was out. That’s way ahead of deadline in my universe! ;-)

I see your points. Me personally, when they started talking about how much it was gonna cost (Iraq), I KNEW that was BS as it came out of their mouths (kinda like the SOS going on lately with the HC Bill).

As for this..

FearMonger said:
btw…. did you really say somebody (anybody) ‘had an obligation to rise above politics’? lol Is there such a thing anymore?

I TRULY meant that as a joke. Of course there is a bit of truth in it but…. I still believe people (generally) really DO want to do the right thing and when the shit hits the fan they rise to the occasion (generally). In other words, I’m not as jaded as that quote sounds. Truthfully, I thought that Obama was going to take us out of this partisan BS. I wanted to believe. There were signs…. some things he said that had my antennae up but…. if he had stuck to his campaign promises of transparency and cutting spending and ending programs that don’t work and blah blah blah then he would have unprecedented support right now. Instead he proved himself to be hyper-partisan and (at the very least) uninterested in improving race relations in this Country.

When I said “There were signs ..” ….. all that shit about “They’re gonna try to scare ya’….. ‘he’s got a funny name’ and blah blah bla”. If you think about it, that really turned out to be a good indicator of his attitude. Here we are 2 years + later and this guy has done NOTHING to build bridges, in fact he’s been divisive. If the media was giving an honest assessment of BO instead of ‘thrilling’ over him we’d be seeing a lot more scrutiny of his indiscriminate attacks on ‘the right’. From the ‘bitter clingers’ shit of the 2008 campaign to the demonizing of John Boehner in the 2010 campaign, Obowma never lets up attacking his opposition. He’ll never build a concensus that way.

I was gonna say ‘he talks the talk on bipartisanship but doesn’t walk the walk” but …. EVEN THAT is more credit than he deserves. I mean really…. ‘they talk about me like a dog’…. very Presidential.

Paul Westlake said:
conservative TV and radio have taken it to a new level with the election of Obama.

I can’t tell you how much I disagree with that statement. If you had been on my side of the aisle during the Bush years I guaran-damned-tee you would say the treatment of BO is like mothers milk compared to what Bush got, starting with the contested 2000 election. Anyway, I know I won’t convince you of that so…. let’s just say for the sake of argument that you are right about Obozo getting rough treatment.

If ‘an avuncular white male’ had done what Obama has done as POTUS, he would have been thoroughly castigated by the right, the left (especially the MSM) AND the middle. Keep in mind that the far left is unhappy with him ONLY because their agenda had to be compromised to get it passed. THAT”S how left he actually is. They wanted single payer and federal funds for abortion and he wanted to give it to them but but but…. the moderates IN HIS OWN PARTY checked him (them).

With a ‘supermajority’ they still couldn’t get it done the ‘straight’ way but they went ahead and did it anyway. He said then ‘that’s what elections are for’ but but but….. NOW NONE OF THE (D)’S ARE EVEN MENTIONING THE HC BILL. You get that? The crowning achievement of this administration and it’s toxic! Nobody is asking BO to help them campaign. You really think that has a fuckin’ thing to do with Glenn Beck? Or Rush? Hell, O Reilly has bent over backwards to give BO the benefit of the doubt.

What I’m saying is…. the people who listen to ‘conservative radio and TV’ aren’t the problem the (D)’s are facing in November…. it’s the leftwingers…. which includes Obama, Reid and Pelosi. They thought they knew what was best for We The People and they staked their political future on passing unpopular legisalation that NOBODY had really read. Scott Browns election was meant to be a wake-up call but the call was not received. Now the people are gonna make themselves heard LOUD AND CLEAR and the dipshits who not-so-long-ago said ‘that’s what elections are for’ are scrambling to find a villian.

Well guess what?…. the villian ain’t POWERLESS John Boehner… the villian is the far left of the (D) party. And they are fixin’ to learn what ‘checks and balances’ are all about. God Bless America!

In summary, ‘if Obama was white’ he’d be taking a terrible beating from all sides. Having the MSM shill for him has helped hm every step of the way and shielded him from having to answer for his failures, not just his failure to live up to high expectations but …. his failure to live up to HIS OWN promises and expectations that HE SET! I’m having a hard time thinking of anything he’s been RIGHT about….

I won’t even get into his utter failure in foreign affairs. Suffice it to say his charm didn’t take him as far as he thought it would with the likes of Imanutjob. Any day now Iran will finally admit that they have lied all along when they announce that they have a nuclear weapon. ….

The only people in the world who will be surprised by that fact are American Leftwingers.

You think it’s bad now Paul?…. just wait till the rats start jumping ship…