Olbermann and his ilk proclaim” This woman is an idiot!” She is certainly not that. “How’s that hopey changey thing workin for ya? “

“‘We’re All Arizonans Now’”

Until you quit.

Palin Rocks!!!

…‹(•¿•)›…‹(•¿•)›…‹(•¿•)›..Support “Legal Only” Immigration..‹(•¿•)›…‹(•¿•)›…‹(•¿•)›…

“Buycott” not Boycutt…Buycott Arizona. Visit the Great State of Arizona this year. I have planned a trip to Scottsdale for June. Scottsdale has some amazing resorts, great restaurants and shopping, a wild nightlife and some of the greatest golf courses on earth. They also have the Grand Canyon and the Colorado River. Let’s support the Great State by spending money there. Vote out politicians who don’t support legal immigration and want to boycott this state. Business owners buy Arizona products!!!!

That woman is an idiot! First, John McCain and Ted Kennedy wrote immigration legislation and it was killed by REPUBLICANS! Do you know why? Because the same far right lunatics who now call themselves teabaggers were against it. As for crime rates in Arizona, chew on this you morons!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-border-crime-20100514,0,6236368.story

Thanks for insuring that the fastest growing group in this country, Hispanics will continue to vote for Democrats for generations to come. Go home you stupid hillbilly and try reading a book!

roxsteady says:
May 16, 2010 at 7:12 pm
John McCain and Ted Kennedy wrote immigration legislation and it was killed by REPUBLICANS! Do you know why? Because the same far right lunatics who now call themselves teabaggers were against it. As for crime rates in Arizona, chew on this you morons!

…‹(•¿•)›…‹(•¿•)›..AND THE “IDIOT OF THE DAY” AWARD GOES TO…‹(•¿•)›…‹(•¿•)›…

Yes Stupid – True conservatives were against Dead Kennedy and the RINO’s awful bill.

Why? – Because it did not put illegal’s in the back of the line. They got to cut in front of people who have been waiting.

Explain to me how that is that fair?

You libtards have no common sense, ethics, values or personal responsibility

And that is how roxsteady won my “IDIOT OF THE DAY AWARD” – congratulation!

I bet rox is an illegal.

They could have called for changes but, they killed it because they’re the party of klansmen and saltines. At least you have that in common. Now, try to defend that stupid bitch who writes on her hand all you like but, I’m listening to The Doors, LA Woman and not reading any of your bullshit. Maybe you should explain to the hillbilly grifter that it’s the legislative branch that writes the laws, not the executive branch. No wonder McCain’s Campaign Manager and the Deputy Campaign manager QUIT TODAY! And they did so because he flip flopped on Immigration. Rats jumping off that sinking ship again!

Um, I’m black so, my parents and grand parents WERE BORN HERE! So long losers!

I think what this idiot said makes perfect sense when you realize she was directing her comments to tea-bagging morons.

Ted, every time I have a bowel movement, I see your face!

roxsteady says:
May 16, 2010 at 8:05 pm

Um, I’m black so, my parents and grand parents WERE BORN HERE!
”

That is not necessarily so, rox. Your poor English skills show you are an illegal.

Keep up the good work Sarah.

64% of Americans approve of the law.

Roxsteady:

“They could have called for changes but, they killed it because they’re the party of klansmen and saltines.”

That’s “nigga rich” of ya rox!

Munch – Clearly she was talking you. Glad I could be of assistance!

Go Sarah! Good for her. Clearly, Sarah is correct. The media and the WH (Holder) created a false premise about the AZ law. Putting forth WH propaganda without reading the bill.

Truly Glynnis, you should be excoriating the media and not Sarah, if you were honest about what was happening with AZ and this illegal immigration law. I’m surprised you are not completely embarrassed by your colleagues who have not reported the fact that Holder spoke out about this new law without even reading it.

Shameful propaganda on the part of mediaite in the name of Glynnis. How sad for you that you can’t see the truth even though its smack dab in front of your face.

Palin wins, the left loses. AZ is winning this battle despite the falsehoods put forth by the state run media.

Buycott AZ.

Ted says:
May 16, 2010 at 9:04 pm

Munch – Clearly she was talking you.”

Nice English. We need to check your papers, you illegal lib.

Munch – you’re a tea-bagger, what do you know about English, or anything else for that matter. By they way, I’m doing some research on seriously stupid people who still manage to walk upright. Would you be willing to participate? Thanks in advance.

By they way, I’m doing some research on seriously stupid people ”

Just look in the mirror, asshole!

Munch – Clearly she was talking you.”

LOL

You illegal lib!

Munch – Clearly, you enjoy Palin, who by any standard is an idiot. And I think the reason you like what she has to say is a) its simple, so you understand it and b) its incoherent and as a tea-bagger you like that as well.

Seriously, we are looking for people like you who I assume walk in the upright position, yet for reasons unknown are complete buffoons. We hope you’ll agree that its in the interest of tea-baggers and idiots everywhere that we find out what makes morons like you tick. We’ll be asking Palin to join our study as well so you may very well be in “good” company.

Ted, I worship the ground that awaits you.

Ted, you can get off your knees. I know when I have been licked- all over.

Munch – Now I assumed you walk in the upright position but perhaps you do indeed drag your knuckles across the ground. If you don’t mind could you clarify, that is if the question is not too difficult. Thanks and appreciate your willingness to participate in our study.

Ted your are a mental midget. Folk like you tote the word ‘ teabagger’ as insults of intelligence. When infact, you want to do research studies of people who have different views than you, from the basement of your inbred uncle’s. Good luck with that. It’s probaby the first time you did research in your life judging from your posts.

Ted, you are living proof that shit can grow legs and walk.

Teddy, I’m always amazed how you can use your corkscrewed toenails to type out missives from your mom’s basement. When does she let you out of your padded room?

Munch – That’s terrific, now, should I assume you actually do drag your knuckles across the ground or not. If this is too difficult, please ask trolling4 libs to answer as he/she can evidently “speaks” for you (and I would love to include this moron in the study as well)

PS – What percentage of your body is covered by hair. Estimates are okay.

Ted, you have zero- 0, nothing!

You have an inferiority complex – and it’s fully justified.

You want to study cretins? Start with your family and friends. They are as microcephalic as they come.

Munch – it is becoming apparent that you are among the lower primates, which makes you useless in our study. Basically dumbasses such as yourself are a dime a dozen. But there is good news!! Sarah Palin has a “book” that is coming out soon that should make morons like you orgasmic. Enjoy, as only a tea-bagger can!!

PS – Sorry the study thing didn’t work out. Maybe next time.

Well it looks like it’s time to add a verse on the Statue of Liberty otherwise we are just a bunch of hypocrites.
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
But don’t bother coming in if you are not WHITE.

roxsteady says:
May 16, 2010 at 8:05 pm
“Um, I’m black so, my parents and grand parents WERE BORN HERE! So long losers!”

roxsteady says:
May 16, 2010 at 8:04 pm
“I’m listening to The Doors, LA Woman ”

Something don’t smell right

Sarah Palin is proof there are trailer parks in Alaska.

I’ve always wondered… do the “open borders” people keep their doors unlocked at night? Do they allow anybody on the street just to wonder on in, take a rest on their couch (mom’s couch), eat some of their food… and stay there as long as they want?

No?

Isn’t that a little hypocritical? I guess they’re racists.

Oh well, I’m sorry to interrupt. I know some folks where busy shouting, “RACISM! TEABAGGERS! STUPID!” and patting themselves on the back for their cleverness. I don’t want to get in the way of their non-ability to debate the issue. Too much rage can hurt the body… and if this is the best they can do to get it out, well, good for them! Sanity is a rare commodity these days… they prove it.

roxsteady says:
May 16, 2010 at 8:04 pm
“They could have called for changes but, they killed it because they’re the party of klansmen and saltines”.

___________________________________________________________________

It seems you do not know your K K K history. The Klan was started by Democrats.

FYI – The Republicans fought for civil rights. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Conservative Republican although many have tried to re-write history. The Democrats hated him. Many say it was not James Earl Ray (D) who killed MLK Jr.. The thoery is the order came straight from the White House. Lyndon B. Johnson (D) was in office in 1968. Either way the Dems killed MLK Jr. So stick that in your race baiting crack pipe and smoke it.

It seems you only open your mouth to change feet.

I always enjoy a hearty laugh when Cons like cowboy try and clam MLK.

Martin Luther King Jr. was non-partisan and he never endorsed any politician from either of the parties. His father, however, did endorse Democrats.

In 1960, King was arrested for trespassing during a sit-in and held in Georgia’s Reidsville prison. Fearing for his son’s life, Martin Luther King Sr. appealed to presidential candidate John F. Kennedy to secure his release.

When King was freed, his father vowed to deliver 10 million votes to the Democrat, even though Kennedy was only a reluctant supporter of civil rights. That began four decades of African Americans voting for liberals. It will never stop, despite the desperate and laughable pleas from people like “American Cowboy” who have to go back decades to find examples of how they are the party that embraces African Americans.

If the GOP is such a big proponent of African Americans, why are there ZERO African American Republican members of the House?

The Dems have over 25 currently serving.

Let me make one point very clear: I am not an Arizonan.

Further, I have never been an Arizonan, and I shall never be an Arizonan.

All I can wish to say to the Drop Out Governor of Alaska is: Thanks. You contributed mightily to a great Democratic victory in 2008, and you are contributing to another. Every time you open your mouth on this issue, you drive more and more Arizonans, Californians, New Mexicans and Texans and Hispanics from other states throughout America firmly into the Democratic camp.

shootfromthehip says:
May 16, 2010 at 11:15 pm
“If the GOP is such a big proponent of African Americans, why are there ZERO African American Republican members of the House?”

“The Dems have over 25 currently serving.”

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FYI – The head of the GOP is Black

The Dems are the party of welfare, food stamps and hand outs. It is only blacks with values, work ethics, personal responability and self respect that are Republicans. All others are Democrats.

shootfromthehip says:
May 16, 2010 at 11:15 pm

If the GOP is such a big proponent of African Americans, why are there ZERO African American Republican members of the House?

Because Republicans judge people on their character and ability, not their skin color. So instead of play the, “we got more!” game, and treating people like prizes (just another form of making people property), they don’t have any Black members in the House… at the moment. Repeat that: At The Moment.

Have they been there before? Yes. Will they be there again? Yes.

So is this whole “gotcha” line from the left an offensive bunch of BS? Yes… it is.

The Real Royal King says:
May 16, 2010 at 11:29 pm

That’s your way of saying, “I don’t care what Palin says, I don’t care how many people agree with it. I don’t care that the Arizona law is popular across the country, and I don’t care about the immigration issue (which is why I have yet to propose anything of my own). All I care about is getting people to vote for left-wing candidates… and I’ll do anything, and support anyone in achieving that goal. So if I have to insult, smear, lie, misrepresent, ignore, threaten, and (in effect) manufacture a race war… I’ll do it proudly, because it will benefit me politically in the end.”

Wow… what a proud day to be you.

How hard is it, INB, for even a base simpleton, to understand that popular opinion does not impact upon Constitutional analysis, unless or until the Constitution is amended or repealed? It is a basic principle of our democracy.

You are correct in one regard: I don’t much care what the Drop Out Governor of Alaska has to say about anything, except as a matter of curiosity and amusement.

Of course, I do have to acknowledge that you are of the sort who would very much seeing the Bill of Rights repealed, except of course the Second Amendment, presumably so you could shoot anyone who might then exervcise what had been the time-honored principle of the then repealed freddom of speech. Frankly, your Amerika is a barren place.

Glad to see from the comments above coming from the knuckle dragging teabaggers that they are NOT, THEY ARE NOT BIGOTS AND RACISTS. NO. no. no. No sireeee boob.

Why! Them teabaggers worshipers of Moose Boogers “The idiot one” are the epitome of rational discourse, justice, and love apple pie.

But what I really need to know, I hope you don’t mind friendly teabaggers, I need to see your birth certificate – the long form – just to make sure you are not some kind of illegal who has infiltrated the teabagging party.

Make a line and bend over, er, show me your papers.

HA!

Cowboy says:

“FYI – The head of the GOP is Black.”

Great. You’ve got Michael Steele.

He is not an elected official, genius.

When the GOP decides to nominate and actually RUN an African American in a national House or Senate race, then get back to me.

The Real Royal King says:
May 17, 2010 at 1:26 am

How hard is it, INB, for even a base simpleton, to understand that popular opinion does not impact upon Constitutional analysis, unless or until the Constitution is amended or repealed? It is a basic principle of our democracy.

It is! That’ good! You’re making progress.

Now, with that in mind… doesn’t the AZ law only serve to enforce existing federal law? Doesn’t that represent our democracy… rather than allowing the central government to create laws it has no intention of doing anything about?

And on what grounds is the AZ law un-Constitutional (something you seem to be implying)? If the law only serves to enforce existing law, wouldn’t the quibble be with the federal law, not the state law?

It’s always amusing to me how political hacks treat “popular opinion.” When the public supports a program, candidate, etc. that the hack likes… the public has learned, sent a mandate, and is intelligent. When they don’t, well who cares what they have to say anyway… they’re all dumb, racists, and should have no impact on the law of the land! HA!

The “outrage” felt by those on the left over the AZ law is 99% political… which is why you thank AZ for the law, not because you agree or disagree, but because you feel you can manipulate it for votes. However, the fact that the majority of the public hasn’t bought your story means your attempts to use this as a political tool, are failing.
You are correct in one regard: I don’t much care what the Drop Out Governor of Alaska has to say about anything, except as a matter of curiosity and amusement.

Well, as an ignorant, egotistical, lying bigot, I’m not surprised. Palin doesn’t echo your opinions… so who cares what she has to say anyway? If it’s not your view, it isn’t worth anything… and certainly not respect.

What is it like living in your little “King is always right” bubble? Is it fun? Do you like the sound of your own voice? I hope so. Someone’s got to.

The Real Royal King says:
May 17, 2010 at 1:28 am

Of course, I do have to acknowledge that you are of the sort who would very much seeing the Bill of Rights repealed, except of course the Second Amendment, presumably so you could shoot anyone who might then exervcise what had been the time-honored principle of the then repealed freddom of speech. Frankly, your Amerika is a barren place.

Having a little too much wine tonight, aren’t we Royal? Go ahead… prove any part of that rubbish. Amaze me! Show me where I’ve stated, suggested, or led you to believe I want the Bill or Rights repealed. Show me where I’ve stated ANY opinion on the Second Amendment.

HAHAHA! I guess you find it fun to make stuff up. Why would a world-traveling person such as yourself… someone of “national importance”… make stuff up all the time? Well, mostly because that stuff is made up too! Hey! We’ve found your consistency! You consistently lie and make stuff up! NEAT-O!

shootfromthehip says:
May 17, 2010 at 1:39 am

When the GOP decides to nominate and actually RUN an African American in a national House or Senate race, then get back to me.

I guess you didn’t see the link I posted. What a shame… you would have saved yourself the embarrassment.

I found this perspective piece on another Blog site and I couldn’t have said it better myself :

It is interesting how the left defines their positions on
the downtrodden and yet continues to keep them in that state. I’ve
always said they’re like crack dealers, and year after year they prove
me right.

What I find confounding (or did until recently) is the way certain
demographics of the left who demagogue their “own” -i.e. Blacks for
Blacks and everything is racist, or women for women and everything is
sexist- in reality don’t ever do anything to actually help those they
pretend to champion. Al Sharpton and Cecile Richards come to mind.

Sharpton keeps blacks down and expects them to kneel at his feet for
leadership and guidance for the better part of 40 years now, and
Richards just keeps advocating killing babies and causing immeasurable
emotional problems for the women she claims to be helping.

But I think in reality, people like Sharpton and Richards don’t
really see race and gender, they see themselves and other “liberal
elites” as the ruling class, and everyone else as the proletariat; there
to serve the needs and desires of the great mush of “Pat’s” that are
the Progressive leadership. We don’t differentiate, so why should you?

Gay, straight- there’s really no difference. Radical Islam? Nah, just
people like us who need our love an affection so they’ll fall in line
and work for us just like the millions of illegal immigrants already
here. Women, men- not important. In fact, if you want to dress like the
other or even have surgery to “become” the other, we encourage that.
Drugs? Sure, you’re easier to control that way.

It’s really just a sick ego trip wherein the Progressive Left
believes that not only are they better than the rest of us, but they
have the ability to raise and lower the seas, warm or cool global
temperatures, and provide just enough money for everyone to have all
(and only) the basic necessities if they can just convince us that we need to turn it all over to them to manage for us. And once we do that,
we’ll have no more need for our false gods as we’ll be totally dependent
on them- the hippie liberal douches.

In sumation- my view is that the left sees themselves as more than just a woman, or an African-American; more than just an MSNBC or HBO host; more than just a New York Times editor, Newsweek publisher, White House Press Secretary or President of the United States; rather, they see themselves as the keepers of all mankind -almost god-like in their purpose- and certainly above silly labels as defined by their skin tone or anatomy. They’re better than us; they’re our only hope for survival and we owe our very life’s breath to their ability to properly manage this planet and the next one.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2010/05/16/post-buries-article-palins-call-conservative-feminist-identity#comments#ixzz0oACg6mPK

I Support “Legal Only” Immigration. I welcome legal immigrants with a hand of friendship. Let’s put the illegals in the back of the line.

Shame on the Politian that wants to let these law breakers in the front of the line. In front of those who are doing the right thing. Shame on the Politian who does not protect our borders against illegal border crossings. Some of which are murders, drugs dealers and possible terrorists. These Politian’s must be voted out of office. Yes John McCain you are in the group. It is too late to redeem yourself now that the polls show border enforcement is popular.

Liberals make poor choices and bad decisions. It is a compete inability to differentiate right from wrong. Liberals lack character and common sense. It is truly sad. In addition, Liberals are foolish, unethical, immoral, corrupt and dishonest,

shootfromthehip says:
May 17, 2010 at 1:39 am

Great. You’ve got Michael Steele.

He is not an elected official, genius.

When the GOP decides to nominate and actually RUN an African American in a national House or Senate race, then get back to me.

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Hey Sh*t for Brains – No one said Michael Steel was an elected offical. It did however throw a wrench in your race baiting tactic.

You see we don’t vote based on race. We want a wise, honest, ethical, patriotic, moral candidate. Sadly there are so few with those qualities. The Democrat have not ran a candidate with even one of those qualities since JFK and he was just the patriot.

When a man steps up with those qualities wither he is Black, Brown, Red, Yellow or White. He will have my vote and full support.

I can’t for the life of me figure out why our so called “Attorney General” has made the media rounds condemning a bill he hasn’t even read. You could make the argument that the health care bill was unreadable at 2,400 pages (you’re still a disgrace for not reading it but you could make the case), but a 10 page bill the man can’t read? Are you kidding me? I could knock that out while I was sitting on the can in the morning. The reality is that Holder could give a damn what the bill actually says. He’s against it from the jump because he’s a radical leftist ideologue who wants open borders and could give a fig (to quote O’Reilly) about our national security or anything else.

I have been a lurker on this site for a long while, just observing and pondering the political issues raised by the days topics, but I just had to post.

TROLLING4LIBS–
The blog post you reference above is the most incorrect and misinformed piece of political journalism I have ever read. It makes absolutely false statements about democrats, liberals, and even conservatives that are pro-gay, pro-choice or against any piece of the tea party platform. It is unfortunate that this is accepted as news as it misleads the public so greatly and in turn, does a significant disservice to our country as a whole.

Now, sleep.

I had read this and it is truly great article. Good for her. Clearly, Sarah is correct.
Very informative, I personally thing we all should avoid this type of issues. We all are human and we should help every human. dsi r4

DBT- It is unfortunate that this is accepted as news’—–Blogs are not “news”.But thanks for your OPINION.

I may have to actually write something myself on this subject because the following isn’t going to give it justice, but such an editorial comment would be inconsistent with the purposes of any spaces I currently maintain, so I’m just going to stick a little something, here.

Clearly the legality of the Arizona law will have to be interpreted by the courts and a lot will be pursuant to how it is applied. I know a bunch of internet commenters and unqualified talking heads have an opinion, as do members of the general public, but you know what they say about opinions…

The Supreme Court has held that a roadblock or license check is a form of seizure, which I would interpret as a “lawful detention” and they have placed limits on the purposes for which a roadblock can be established. For example in Indianapolis v. Edmond, they found that a license check can not be used for the primary purpose of looking for illegal drugs or generalized criminal activity. While, they can be used for legitimate public safety and law enforcement purposes, such as looking for drunk or unlicensed drivers.

My reading of the amended Arizona law, as has been linked from this forum or others, the questioning of a person can not be based on race or country of origin, but if someone is lawfully detained, they’ll have to show some form of citizenship and a driver’s license from a state that doesn’t require or denote residency status isn’t acceptable.

Throwing fly into the ointment, the fixed roadblocks along the interstates operated by the Border Patrol (which is memory serves, there is one south of Tucson) have been adjudicated to be legal and “apparent Mexican heritage” was found to be enough reasoning to refer vehicles to a secondary checkpoint, where papers are examined. (My experience as a blond married to a blond with blond children, all of which are of English heritage are that we’ve never had any papers or licenses checked at a fixed border station. IOW: If a suspicion is found, it’s then that a vehicle is referred to the secondary station for a license check.)

Mucking the whole thing up, though is United States v. Brignoni-Ponce which forbids the Border Patrol from operating roving patrols near the border, where they only stop vehicles with people of apparent Mexican heritage because that would infringe on border resident’s Fourth Amendment rights.

Again, I’ll repeat that an uneditable and a somewhat brief comment isn’t the best place to introduce all of these ideas, which is why I’ve been silent on this issue thus far, but all this parrothead/dittoheading of talking points is getting to be a bit much because we just don’t know how this all will play out.

As I understand and interpret it, a roadblock or license check is a lawful detention.

At a non-fixed location, apparent Mexican heritage does not appear to be reasonable grounds for license or status check and it doesn’t appear that it may be enough grounds under the amended Arizona law, but if everyone is having their licenses checked… does the amended Arizona law require that everyone presenting a driver’s license from a state that doesn’t note residency be detained until their status is established, or will it just be the folks of apparent Mexican heritage and how does that jibe with the decision on roving patrols?

IOW: There’s a lot of legalities at play and they will be decided by how the law is applied.

Magister says:
May 17, 2010 at 3:31 am

Dude! That was awesome!

Really.

Well written, well documented, well sourced.

But if you don’t mind me saying it in my own words, that is what I have been telling THESE RACIST SHT TEABAGGERS.

Anyone, EVERYONE, who has “contact” with the police for so much as jay-walking, like grandma on a wheel chair taking too long to cross the street while traffic is cursing her, EVERYONE has GOT TO SHOW THEM PAPERS.

Domestic disturbance where the police has to show up? – EVERYONE. Mom, dad, kids, and the dog have to show THEM PAPERS.

911 call – “I heard some noises outside the house”
- It was a cat ma’am. Now SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS.

That would be the only way this stinking piece or racist, bigoted, ignorant, wipe pretending to be pass as LAW will make it.

You teabaggers don’t like it? TOUGH.

@MrGlennBovineKoldys: Thanks for the kind words and though I might not have used such strong language, you do raise some interesting questions with your points, but it seems that the last one may be where the conversation often goes off-track.

(Though again, we won’t actually know until the law is applied)

Just like a roadblock has been held several times to be a “seizure” under the Fourth Amendment, thus a “lawful detention”, so would a ticket for jaywalking or potentially a warning about crossing the street; It is also usual practice to “detain” everyone involved in a domestic disturbance, but the amended law may have taken a bite out of the 911 call. Though, as I’ve said in another thread, a lot of Southwestern PDs don’t worry themselves with immigration status because they feel it might dissuade people from calling the police and even though the amended law eliminated the vague term “contact”, it may not be enough to provide comfort.

Especially considering that my experience from living (at one time) in both Arizona and New Mexico, it is common practice in that part of the world for the police to ask for a complainant’s identification, so that they “can get the spelling, address and contact info correct”.

I know this from my own personal experience and because the police blotters in the local paper would often show where someone had called the police to report being the victim of a crime, but they ended-up arrested because of an outstanding warrant or non-compliance with some court order or another.

So, let’s say that someone calling the police to report a crime is asked for their identification because it has been the department’s long-standing policy and let’s say that the identification doesn’t immediately establish their residency… will the cops arrest them (or find a reason to lawfully “detain” them) on the spot or will they make a mental note of the person who may not be a citizen and then watch them like a hawk?

As I’ve said before and of course it’s just my opinion, but the various safe harbor jurisdictions have taken that position because they’d like crimes to be reported, even if the complainant’s immigration status is in flux and I think one of the side effects of this law is that the crime rate may soar in certain communities, which could have the unforeseen effect of catching legitimate citizens in the crossfire.

You know I have a hard time accepting hints of sarcasm aimed at Palin when Eric Holder publicly announced his concern about the constitutionality about a 10-page (now 17-page with amendments) law based on media articles. His “glancing” at it certainly wasn’t reassuring especially since the original (10-page) law explicitly stated with reference to the section authorizing “lawful contact” (now, in the 17-page version, amended to read “lawful stop, detention or arrest”), “This section shall be implemented in a manner consistent with federal laws regulating immigration, PROTECTING THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF ALL PERSONS [emphasis added] and respecting the privileges and immunities of United States citizens.” It’s one sentence, sure, but notice that “civil rights of ALL persons.” Yep, those nasty Arizonans were clearly just out to harass non-whites.

No Sarah, I am not an racist piece of sh*t Arizonan.

Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers says:
May 17, 2010 at 7:23 am

No Sarah, I am not an racist piece of sh*t Arizonan.”

Oh, so you are from California, eh?

Jeff Wood-Guendel says:
May 16, 2010 at 10:18 pm

But don’t bother coming in if you are not WHITE.”

No, don’t bother if you are an illegal, ahole!

LOL, wow. Palin truly is dumb as the day is long. Too funny.

lou
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Magister says:
May 17, 2010 at 5:51 am

So, let’s say that someone calling the police to report a crime is asked for their identification because it has been the department’s long-standing policy…

Um… if they were “calling the police,” how would they be asked for identification? Could the read that out over the phone?

I think you bring up some interesting points… and some less-than-great points. The notion that this law could hinder people from calling the police to report a crime is silly. By that logic, what if someone has parking tickets… what if they were once arrested for a public disturbance… what if blah blah blah. By that logic, everyone should be too scared to call the police for fear they might find something on them too.

Traffic stops are an interesting question… but we’ll have to see how the courts process that one before we see how it works out. However, are we sure that traffic stops are actually a method they plan on using to enforce this law? The real trouble with the AZ law is that there’s a lot of speculation, and a lot of stuff that’s plain made up… stuff that makes it tough to figure out what’s real, and what are we only hypothetically possible (but not probable) arguing? For right now, I think it’s better to stick to the text of the law, rather than the potential applications and “dangerous scenarios” when we simply don’t know.

INB made some good points which the lefties are refusing to answer. The left offers no solutions to people illegally entering the country. They only see that Mexicans are ‘brown’ and so any and all attempts to point out illegals must be racist. Do those of you on the left keep your doors unlocked so that anyone can enter your house at any time? Answer the question. If you don’t, then why not? And if you keep them locked, then why are you arguing that it’s okay for people to illegally slip into the country without following the proper procedures?

Palin’s idea of a big idea always has to be small enough to fit on a bumper sticker. So she is the political equivalent of an ambulance chaser, running to Arizona this weekend, sensing another opening with Obama.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/05/17/2010-05-17_time_for_a_500day_tuneup.html#ixzz0oCheCkU2

Am I the only commenter here that is repulsed by these personal. profane and stupid marathon trolling assaults on us all as was displayed here? It is coming from both sides of the aisle and it is disgusting behavior by all who indulge in it.

And what about you at Mediaite? Why haven’t you taken action to clean up this site that reflects so poorly upon you for allowing it.

Could it be that you are the root cause b/c you tolerate commenters here who virtually NEVER made a comment that is not a personal attack upon others here?

Gosh, Janette, if you don’t like the hole you have dug, fill it up and trot off. The Koldys Klub needs the business badly, and, frankly, you won’t be missed.

Not to split hairs, but it is not tue that “almost 75% of the country supports the law.” While this “almost 75%” is true of some aspects of the law, only 59% support the law in its totality.

The Arizona bill DOES NOT mirror the federal law. It only has one single common factor, which is that all aliens over 18 years of age in the US must carry proper documentation identifying their registration with the US government. The federal law does not mandate any authorities to stop and question any person if s/he is suspected of being in the country illegally. The only time this documentation is solicited is when the alien solicits an immigration benefit or immigration assistance, applies for a driver’s license, upon being hired for a job, etc.

Grammie says:
May 17, 2010 at 12:20 pm

Well said … kudos.

Support “Legal Only” Immigration. Let’s welcome legal immigrants with a hand of friendship. Let’s put the illegals immigrants in the back of the line.

Shame on the Politian that wants to let these law breakers in the front of the line. In front of those who are doing the right thing. Shame on the Politian who does not protect our borders against illegal border entry. Some of which are murders, drugs dealers and possible terrorists. These Politian’s must be voted out of office. Yes, John McCain, you are in that group that must go. It is too late to redeem yourself now that the polls show border enforcement is popular. You showed your true colors when you drafted a crap immigration bill with Dead Kennedy. Bye bye!!!

Liberial as always are on the wrong side on immigration. Liberals make poor choices and bad decisions. It is a compete inability to differentiate right from wrong. Liberals lack character and common sense. It is truly sad. In addition, Liberals are foolish, unethical, immoral, corrupt and dishonest,

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Liberials please explain why illegals should get to cut in line in front of those who are trying to enter the U.S.A. legally?

Michael_T says:
May 17, 2010 at 1:25 pm

The Arizona bill DOES NOT mirror the federal law. It only has one single common factor, which is that all aliens over 18 years of age in the US must carry proper documentation identifying their registration with the US government. ”

Thanks for trying to portray the Fed law as more lenient than the Arizona law, which it is NOT!

Lets look at a real case of the Feds in action:

“The Nation
No Need for a Warrant, You’re an Immigrant
Pool photo by Michael Schwartz

DIFFERENT RULES A federal raid aimed at illegal immigrants in Long Island last month angered local officials who objected to the lack of warrants.

LONG ISLAND officials protested when federal agents searching for immigrant gang members raided local homes two weeks ago. The agents had rousted American citizens and legal immigrants from their beds in the night, complained Lawrence W. Mulvey, the Nassau County police commissioner, and arrested suspected illegal immigrants without so much as a warrant.

“We don’t need warrants to make the arrests,” responded Peter J. Smith, the special agent in charge in New York for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, the agency that conducted the raids.

Immigration agents are not required to obtain warrants to detain suspects. The agents also have broad authority to question people about their immigration status and to search them and their homes. There are no Miranda rights that agents must read when making arrests.

“Immigration law enforcement is all about getting you to where you belong, which is outside the United States,” said Jan C. Ting, a law professor at Temple University who is a former assistant commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the precursor to ICE. He pointed out that immigration laws are civil codes, not criminal. “A lot of constitutional protections that one would normally expect in a criminal case do not necessarily apply,” he said.

Professor Ting says ICE agents are well within their authority to question people they come across in the course of a raid, even if they are not its targets, and detain them as suspects.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/weekinreview/14preston.html

Grammie says:
May 17, 2010 at 12:20 pm

And what about you at Mediaite? Why haven’t you taken action to clean up this site that reflects so poorly upon you for allowing it.

Once they started allowing the spam… it was obvious their idea of “board moderation” is nil.

The Real Royal King says:
May 17, 2010 at 12:51 pm

This from the guy who once said he attacks profane people from both sides… then pretended not to know someone, with whom they had previously talked.

Yes, King… it’s all everyone else’s fault. Just as long as the “everyone else,” is someone you disagree with politically. It’s always their fault. Funny how that works, huh?

Palin should have the coyotes take her back to her homeland overlooking the Russians. She is a human ticking bomb and will destroy everyone around her. She ran out on her Governorship and the American People long ago. Palin is strictly up for the money, money, money, money, etc. Her husband is a piece of Alaskan garbage that floats into the ocean.

Murphy, you are white trash.

@ImNotBlue: It may sound like an exaggeration, but there is a general reluctance to have any contact with the police throughout much of the Southwest for a variety of reasons, among them is the fact that if you report a crime and aren’t perfectly clean, you could be sent to jail.

It’s just policy in a lot of locales to run wants and warrants on those reporting a crime and though I could point to several cases of this happening, one of the “funniest” was the young lady working the late shift at Circle K, who called to report a drive-off for which no one was arrested. She ended-up having to call her manager in the middle to the night to relieve her because during their “investigation”, it was discovered that she had failed to make a restitution payment six years prior and because she owed in another county, she also had to awaken her mother/babysitter to tell them that she would be late.

I know that when I’ve called the police, they’ve taken my identification into the car and I assume radioed it in because people were always getting arrested for reporting or being the victim of a crime. That’s not the only problem with law enforcement in the non-metropolitan areas of the Southwest, but that’s a usual scenario that could play into this law.

Otherwise, I said a couple of times in my previous comments that the courts are going to have to figure this one out and it’ll depend a lot on how the law is applied. That was sort of my point because I’m kind of tired of people saying it’s cut ‘n dried… liberals can’t read, etc. I mean in some states, it’s inarguably against the law for a mentally-challenged person to have sex with anyone including another adult with the same condition, but until someone is arrested, the law and/or its application can’t be challenged.

“Palin’s idea of a big idea always has to be small enough to fit on a bumper sticker.”

Which means she’s learn(ed to play the game the Left has been playing for decades, and play it well. But she’s batting for the right. Well, she was a journalism major.) And that’s what’s got the Left really upset. Somebody else is playing with their toy.

Both sides? I’ve seen a little name-calling of the left by the right in the comments here. But nothing like the dripping vitriol spewed from the more leftist commenters. Nobody hates like leftists hate. :-)

And, psssst! Guess what? It’s a big reason why they’re losing people.

MG! Such an incognizant creature.An insult to femininity and intellectuality. Sarah helps to reduce the GOP quivering masses even further into irrationality and civic incoherence. Insectile thoughts for insectile minds!

Magister says:
May 17, 2010 at 2:36 pm

I heard what you’re saying about the police thing… and while I see your point, I don’t think it’s an excuse for the police not to check out the person calling. The police have a duty to find the people who have committed crimes and violations… just because you’re doing something good now, doesn’t mean you get to get away with breaking the law then. Frankly, I don’t see a way around this… either calling the police is like a free pass, and then the police get blamed when they were talking to a rapist reporting a car accident and didn’t do anything… or the police do their job to the fullest, and people are “afraid.”

But perhaps instead of worrying about what the police will or could do… we should worry about the people breaking the law in the first place. In your story, perhaps the Circle K lady should have taken care of her own business, not forced the police to track her down. Personal responsibility is the name of the game.

AmericanCowboy says:
May 17, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Support “Legal Only” Immigration. Let’s welcome legal immigrants with a hand of friendship. Let’s put the illegals immigrants in the back of the line.

Shame on the Politian that wants to let these law breakers in the front of the line. In front of those who are doing the right thing. Shame on the Politian who does not protect our borders against illegal border entry. Some of which are murders, drugs dealers and possible terrorists. These Politian’s must be voted out of office. Yes, John McCain, you are in that group that must go. It is too late to redeem yourself now that the polls show border enforcement is popular. You showed your true colors when you drafted a crap immigration bill with Dead Kennedy. Bye bye!!!

Liberial as always are on the wrong side on immigration. Liberals make poor choices and bad decisions. It is a compete inability to differentiate right from wrong. Liberals lack character and common sense. It is truly sad. In addition, Liberals are foolish, unethical, immoral, corrupt and dishonest,

Liberials please explain why illegals should get to cut in line in front of those who are trying to enter the U.S.A. legally?

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I see that not one libtards was able to answer my question

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