Interesting that Reid was just endorsed by two prominent Nevada Republicans. Trying to distance themselves from crazy.

She’s vicious! I love it!!!

Interesting that Reid’s own son who is running for office said Obamacare would HURT Nevada. I guess Mediaite missed that. I’m not surprised, since I doubt the Daily Kos reported on it.

Reid’s a LOSER! (Remember, “The WAR is lost.”)

Reid did vote for this bill that had this measure in it.

Shit , the MSM has been ( especially Maddow ) pointing out her “extreme” abortion stance , so this is a shot right back . Great ad.

“Factcheck.org just declared Angle’s Viagra claim to be both “shocking” and “misleading.”

She is a social conservative first and foremost and a tea partier second. There is nothing shocking about it.

Um, the stimulus didn’t “fail.”

The economy grew in 2009 and it’s the only reason we are not in a full blown depression right now. What the fuck is her solution? Tax cuts for the rich?

Angle is toast.

If this new Angle ad gives you teaturds an erection that lasts more than 4 hours please consult your physician.

I think ads like this are too extreme and actually end up backfiring on the candidate. I just don’t see people seeing this ad and believing it.

APNewsBreak: Johnson nets savings on prison labor
By SCOTT BAUER (AP) – 42 minutes ago
MADISON, Wis. — Records obtained by The Associated Press show that Republican Senate candidate Ron Johnson is saving money by employing prison inmates at his plastics factories.
Johnson’s two companies don’t have to pay for health care for the inmates. The state covers those costs. Johnson has campaigned against government subsidies to business.
Johnson is a political newcomer challenging Democratic U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, and is running as a businessman who opposes government interference in the free market. Johnson’s campaign says the companies are trying to provide work skills for inmates, but Democrats say the subsidized jobs show Johnson is guilty of hypocrisy.

Michelle_F from Utah

Given what Sharon Angle’s pastor has said about Mormonism and their “hit squads”, how would it make you feel to have her representing this country in the Senate, especially considering the possibility that Ms. Angle has been listening to this kind of hate speech for 20 years?

exiledtruther said:
Interesting that Reid’s own son who is running for office said Obamacare would HURT Nevada. I guess Mediaite missed that. I’m not surprised, since I doubt the Daily Kos reported on it.

WHY ARE YOU STILL POSTING HERE AFTER BEING BANNED NUMEROUS TIMES DONT YOU KNOW HOW TO TAKE A HINT

murf said:
Reid did vote for this bill that had this measure in it.

Shit , the MSM has been ( especially Maddow ) pointing out her “extreme” abortion stance , so this is a shot right back . Great ad.

Because you checked it out and verified it, or because someone else said so? Look at the fact check link and think again.

This looks like Angle’s own version of Taliban Dan. Just distort the facts so badly they’re not even close , and throw it in an ad.

CosmosDan said:
Because you checked it out and verified it, or because someone else said so? Look at the fact check link and think again.

Nothing I stated was false . He DID vote for a bill that had that measure in it .

It’s misleading because that’s not WHY he voted for the bill.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
WHY ARE YOU STILL POSTING HERE AFTER BEING BANNED NUMEROUS TIMES DONT YOU KNOW HOW TO TAKE A HINT

They need to start banning a range of IP addresses. There aren’t too many readers from Utah so no risk of accidentally bumping somebody else.

murf said:
Nothing I stated was false . He DID vote for a bill that had that measure in it .

It’s misleading because that’s not WHY he voted for the bill.

Exactly didshit. Colburn put it in the bill. It’s fucking political maneuver and her ad is misleading to say the least. A new low for sure.

Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
They need to start banning a range of IP addresses.

As if you’ll get an exception. Be careful what you ask for

What’s the difference between voting AGAINST a viagra ban vs. voting FOR viagra?
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!!

That amendment only included two (2) points. Nothing was hidden or difficult to understand.
All Republicans + 1 Democrat voted for the amendment to van Viagra etc.
All Democrats voted against it, just to oppose a Republican amendment. Wow!

The ad may or may not help Angle, but the only dunce is FactCheck.org!!

Then there is this:

Democrats killed an amendment by Republican Sen. Tom Coburn to prevent the newly created insurance exchanges from using federal money to cover Viagra and other erectile dysfunction drugs for rapists, pedophiles and other sex offenders. The amendment failed 57-42

“The vast majority of Americans don’t want their taxpayer dollars paying for this kind of drug for those kind of people,” Coburn said.

Democratic Sen. Max Baucus urged his colleagues to defeat the amendment.

“This is a serious bill. This is a serious debate. The amendment offered by the senator from Oklahoma makes a mockery of the Senate, the debate and the American people. It is not a serious amendment. It is a crass political stunt aimed at making 30-second commercials, not public policy,” he said.

He voted against the amendment. It is true. Harry Reid has put out misleading ad after ad and now your going to cry about one ad against him. He is going to lose the election by at least 5 points.

I wonder if O’Reilly will be as outraged at this ad as he was about the Taliban Dan ad (“the worst I ever seen”)

Doubt it.

ALL these misleading ads need to be denounced by both sides.

Any thinking person knows this nonsense, but Angle is just feeding the tea-baggers more bullshit and we all know they love bullshit.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
If this new Angle ad gives you teaturds an erection that lasts more than 4 hours please consult your physician.

With your personal attacks with no substance is why so many people think low of liberals. Your by far a bottom feeder.

StandUp said:
As if you’ll get an exception. Be careful what you ask for

For insulting Mediaite contributors or for insulting teabaggers?

LibertySister said:
Your by far a bottom feeder.

you’re

LibertySister said:
With your personal attacks with no substance is why so many people think low of liberals. Your by far a bottom feeder.

Yes because nutso calling everyone left of far right’s mother whores shows how compassionate you cons are…..

Greg said:
APNewsBreak: Johnson nets savings on prison laborBy SCOTT BAUER (AP) – 42 minutes agoMADISON, Wis. — Records obtained by The Associated Press show that Republican Senate candidate Ron Johnson is saving money by employing prison inmates at his plastics factories.Johnson’s two companies don’t have to pay for health care for the inmates. The state covers those costs. Johnson has campaigned against government subsidies to business.Johnson is a political newcomer challenging Democratic U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, and is running as a businessman who opposes government interference in the free market. Johnson’s campaign says the companies are trying to provide work skills for inmates, but Democrats say the subsidized jobs show Johnson is guilty of hypocrisy.

Let’s examine your complaint, Greg.
In Greg world, we would all be better off if these prisoners were sitting on their asses back in the barracks?
In Greg world, unfortunately the government would still be paying for their health care. Right? Of course.
In Greg world, you don’t have to know if the prison system benefitted financially by allowing these workers to volunteer! You don’t know if this was a mutually beneficial agreement between a private business, the prison system, and some prisoners who “may” have earned some money for when they are released.

Let’s face it Greg. You simply don’t have a clue what really happened here. You just have a political agenda & are in too big a hurry to bother yourself with any relevant facts!

Don’t ever be a reporter or journalist Greg.

shootfromthehip said:
Um, the stimulus didn’t “fail.” The economy grew in 2009 and it’s the only reason we are not in a full blown depression right now. What the fuck is her solution? Tax cuts for the rich? Angle is toast.

What branch of the government do you work for? You obviously don’t have a real job.

I’ve been watching ad after ad day after day from around the country and not ONE democrat is running on his/her votes in the last 2 years. Why is that? Maybe because under their super majorities they put together at least 3 of the worst bills in the history of Congress, with the Stimulus, Obysmalcare, and the Financial Bill. Killed business and are still not satisfied since they want to ram card check and cap and tax down our throats to finish the job. Complete failure. The experiment is over. Get the progressives and the professors with their theories out of the way and let real businessmen with leadership skills get the economy moving again.

Harry Reid’s son, who is running for Governor of Nevada, said he is AGAINST Obamacare…lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7myKTU14O5o&feature=player_embedded

What Liberals will say [lie] to get elected, even Reid’s son.

murf said:
Nothing I stated was false . He DID vote for a bill that had that measure in it .

It’s misleading because that’s not WHY he voted for the bill.

I think you need to rephrase to be accurate. from the fact check link

The amendment, proposed by Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, was not intended to counter some provision of the law that provided these drugs to convicted sex offenders. There’s nothing in the legislation that supports, requires or even mentions such prescriptions note the word nothing.

It’s a political ploy to stall the bill and create something just like this dishonest ad. You can’t call the Taliban Dan ad slimy and then excuse this crap. And Angle approved it after complaining about others having a lack of principles. In these times when Nevada Republicans are endorsing Reid, something is wrong.

Arkansas Steve said:
What’s the difference between voting AGAINST a viagra ban vs. voting FOR viagra?
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!!

That amendment only included two (2) points. Nothing was hidden or difficult to understand.
All Republicans + 1 Democrat voted for the amendment to van Viagra etc.
All Democrats voted against it, just to oppose a Republican amendment. Wow!

The ad may or may not help Angle, but the only dunce is FactCheck.org!!

The republican amendment was not made with any serious intent to improve the bill. It was political bullshit. There was nothing in the bill that directed taxpayers money to be used in the way the ad described.

musiccityvic said:
He voted against the amendment. It is true. Harry Reid has put out misleading ad after ad and now your going to cry about one ad against him. He is going to lose the election by at least 5 points.

What misleading ads has Reid done?

Somewhere along the way there’s a line between political spin, and just plain bullshit dishonesty.

musiccityvic said:
I’ve been watching ad after ad day after day from around the country and not ONE democrat is running on his/her votes in the last 2 years. Why is that? Maybe because under their super majorities they put together at least 3 of the worst bills in the history of Congress, with the Stimulus, Obysmalcare, and the Financial Bill. Killed business and are still not satisfied since they want to ram card check and cap and tax down our throats to finish the job. Complete failure. The experiment is over. Get the progressives and the professors with their theories out of the way and let real businessmen with leadership skills get the economy moving again.

Weren’t Bush and Cheney businessmen? How’d they do?

shootfromthehip said:
Um, the stimulus didn’t “fail.”

It sure did. They said if it passed, unemployment would not exceed 8%!

It hit 10% and is still 9.6%; it has been 9.5% for 14 months, the highest unemployment period since the ’30s.

Oh, and if that isn’t enough of a failure to you, try these on:

Record # of people on Govt. assistance
Record # of job losses in 2009
Record # of foreclosures
Record debt
Record deficit.

Obama Presides Over Most Jobs Lost Since 1940
By Julia A. Seymour
Business & Media Institute
1/8/2010 11:03:00 AM

Unemployment shot up in 2009 from 7.7 percent in January to 10.1 percent in October before settling at 10 percent in December. Behind those percentages were more than 4.1 million people who lost their jobs during the year. According to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that’s the most job losses in a year since 1940. (BLS could only provide data from 1940-2009)

Deficit climbs to record under Obama’s budget
$3.8 trillion budget: Jobs take priority; reaction swift
February 02, 2010|By Carolyn Lochhead, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Washington — President Obama’s $3.8 trillion budget blueprint for next year sets a new deficit record of $1.56 trillion, includes a big jobs program and rolls back Bush-era tax cuts for high-income Americans.

As for the deficit, CBO shows that over the first three years of the Obama Presidency, 2009-2011, the federal government will borrow an estimated $3.7 trillion. THAT IS MORE THAN THE ENTIRE ACCUMULATED NATIONAL DEBT FOR THE FIRST 225 YEARS OF U.S. HISTORY. By 2019, the interest payments on this debt will be larger than the budget for education, roads and all other nondefense discretionary spending.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703906204575027181656362948.html

Dave Noland said:
Exactly didshit. Colburn put it in the bill. It’s fucking political maneuver and her ad is misleading to say the least. A new low for sure.

Go FK yourself, you pathetic POS lib!

And suck a nut!

Huh, I had no idea reid supported rush limpbaugh

Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
For insulting Mediaite contributors or for insulting teabaggers?

No. for just being you

exiledtruther said:
Interesting that Reid’s own son who is running for office said Obamacare would HURT Nevada. I guess Mediaite missed that. I’m not surprised, since I doubt the Daily Kos reported on it.

Now, now, Michelle-in-Utah, I know you don’t recognize news, but you have to remember, Mediaite is not a news outlet. It is a media review blog. It would report the story once media outlets began discussing it in the nature or a review of the reporting. Do you understand that? Should I break it down more for you?

notsofast said:
Go FK yourself, you pathetic POS lib!

And suck a nut!

NSF must have gotten his Medicaid package today. Much easier to get the piss out with a clean catheter.

Paul Westlake said:
NSF must have gotten his Medicaid package today. Much easier to get the piss out with a clean catheter.

I am pleased for Nutso. I know he was getting tired of boiling catheters.

More to the point: Angle is really some sleazy candidate, isn’t she?

The Real Royal King said:
I am pleased for Nutso. I know he was getting tired of boiling catheters.

More to the point: Angle is really some sleazy candidate, isn’t she?

I agree, always important to maintain proper hygiene and all that boiling must have been getting tedious.

Angle is the perfect name for that woman. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
NSF must have gotten his Medicaid package today. Much easier to get the piss out with a clean catheter.

I see all your holes are full again, Paul!

get off your knees!

notsofast said:
Go FK yourself, you pathetic POS lib! And suck a nut!

You couldn’t help yourself, could you, NSF? After a decent post with credible input, you fall back on filthy language that provides nothing of substance. Back to the shameful posts.

shootfromthehip said:
Um, the stimulus didn’t “fail.”

The economy grew in 2009 and it’s the only reason we are not in a full blown depression right now. What the fuck is her solution? Tax cuts for the rich?

Angle is toast.

Dream on, Shoot, both about the stimulus not failing and angle losing.

Dave Noland said:
Exactly didshit.

What’s this, a new putdown?

musiccityvic said:
I’ve been watching ad after ad day after day from around the country and not ONE democrat is running on his/her votes in the last 2 years. Why is that? Maybe because under their super majorities they put together at least 3 of the worst bills in the history of Congress, with the Stimulus, Obysmalcare, and the Financial Bill. Killed business and are still not satisfied since they want to ram card check and cap and tax down our throats to finish the job. Complete failure. The experiment is over. Get the progressives and the professors with their theories out of the way and let real businessmen with leadership skills get the economy moving again.

Actually, you’re wrong. Russ Feingold is doing it in WI, and that’s just one example. Since it seems like you’re really not watching ad after ad, check out the rachel maddow show for a quick education on this, she’s got some candidates and their commercials. :)

luden said:
Get the progressives and the professors with their theories out of the way and let real businessmen with leadership skills get the economy moving again.

You mean all the “real businessmen” who keep turning out to be white collar criminals, educated at Ivy League Business Schools? Or have your forgotten BCCI, Hedge Fund bailout, WorldCom, Enron, Lehman, and the fact that Goldman is STILL robbing us blind? Is it nice having the memory of a goldfish? Should I ask you again in 10 seconds?

LOL

Sorry, that wasn’t Luden, it was a common screed from musiccityvic.

musiccityvic said:
Get the progressives and the professors with their theories out of the way and let real businessmen with leadership skills get the economy moving again.

Amendmendment to provide Viagra to sex offenders and etcetera was dishonest from its beginning. Was offered along with other ridiculous amendments as failed filibuster. Interesting because almost all health insurance providers exclude erectile dysfunction treatments including severe dysfunction following prostate surgery. Impossible to believe Angle and Reid are so close in the polls. I want the senior Senator who can bring home the bacon.

alamo2 said:
You couldn’t help yourself, could you, NSF? After a decent post with credible input, you fall back on filthy language that provides nothing of substance. Back to the shameful posts.

Let me worry about the perspicacity of my comments. You can just continue to post your predictable irrelevant comments.

BTW, STFU!

Arkansas Steve said:
What’s the difference between voting AGAINST a viagra ban vs. voting FOR viagra?
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!!

That amendment only included two (2) points. Nothing was hidden or difficult to understand.
All Republicans + 1 Democrat voted for the amendment to van Viagra etc.
All Democrats voted against it, just to oppose a Republican amendment. Wow!

The ad may or may not help Angle, but the only dunce is FactCheck.org!!

That’s what I thought… I don’t get their splitting hairs over this. They voted against the amendment that would ban convicts access to viagra.

This sounds like the amendment proposed to ban govt. funded abortions. Obama promised that govt. funds would not go to fund abortions. And what happened? Govt. funds were going to fund abortions.

Based on that, I don’t think it is a *bullsh*t* amendment to include. Sounds to me like the Dems want them to be able to get viagra – otherwise, why wouldn’t they voted to support the ban…?

musiccityvic said:
Democrats killed an amendment by Republican Sen. Tom Coburn to prevent the newly created insurance exchanges from using federal money to cover Viagra and other erectile dysfunction drugs for rapists, pedophiles and other sex offenders. The amendment failed 57-42

notsofast said:
Dave Noland said:
Exactly didshit. Colburn put it in the bill. It’s fucking political maneuver and her ad is misleading to say the least. A new low for sure.

Go FK yourself, you pathetic POS lib!

And suck a nut!

alamo2 said:
notsofast said:
Go FK yourself, you pathetic POS lib! And suck a nut!

You couldn’t help yourself, could you, NSF? After a decent post with credible input, you fall back on filthy language that provides nothing of substance. Back to the shameful posts.

So, calling someone a dipshit is a decent post with credible input?

Right-wing lunatics like NSF, ArkansasSteve, and SarainItaly have nothing of value to add to any conversation on any topic. They lie, obfuscate, demand proof, then run away when they can’t prove their own bullshit. They believe they can rationalize their hatred for everything outside of themselves and their extremely narrow and selfish interests by accusing everyone and everything around them of being hateful and discriminating toward them. It’s bullshit. It has always been bullshit and it will always be bullshit. People like them have always been around in America – fighting for the British against us, fighting for Spanish against us, fighting for the South against us – traitors and parasites are nothing new. That they have a platform like this is the only thing that’s different, and it makes them seem more numerous than they really are. Actually, they’re just insane, on the verge of criminal insanity if this election doesn’t go their way. So, while I find nothing at all surprising in who they are and what they say, it’s important to remember that they are gum on the bottom of our shoes… they’re sticky, but they can’t really do much more than make a mess. Insane is as insane does.

Paul Westlake said:
Right-wing lunatics like NSF, ArkansasSteve, and SarainItaly have nothing of value to add to any conversation on any topic.

WTH are you talking about? I have engaged in numerous conversations/discussions with you, and others. I do not lie, demand proof (i might ask for backup when someone claims something) or run away, in fact I check back repeatedly to see if someone has responded to my comments and wants to discuss.

Hatred? What hatred? A differing opinion is NOT hatred, Paul. Let me repeat – a differing opinion is not hatred. Did you not read my comments right above yours? The top comment where I contribute to the topic at hand? The other where I point out the absurdity of what alamo said.

I can’t help but notice your comment ads NOTHING to the topic at hand, and is nothing but a personal attack, filled with BS.

Right wing lunatic? So, supporting Hillary Clinton, gay marriage, and pro-choice makes me a right wing lunatic?

That was one of the most irrational, illogical and fact-less rants I have ever read on here, Paul. And it is very disturbing considering I apparently wasted my time discussing topics with you, someone so far removed from reality.

Sorry son, but you seem to be the one here who is “full of BS”, adding “NOTHING of value “to the conversation, and holding an extremely narrow outlook. You want to generalize and go personal – how about this – your comments are typical of a Liberal, incapable of adding anything of substance to this discussion, so you resort to personal and unfounded attacks.

I take back my well wishes for your wedding. Now I just pity your bride to be.

Paul Westlake said:
Paul Westlake says:
October 9, 2010 at 11:27 am Paul Westlake(Quote)
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Below me, Paul!

sarainitaly said:
That was one of the most irrational, illogical and fact-less rants I have ever read on here, Paul. And it is very disturbing considering I apparently wasted my time discussing topics with you, someone so far removed from reality.

That’s exactly how I feel when I read:

Arkansas Steve said:
What’s the difference between voting AGAINST a viagra ban vs. voting FOR viagra?
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!!

Really? That’s an accurate assessment? Please. It’s sophistry and you know it.

notsofast said:
Oh, and if that isn’t enough of a failure to you, try these on:

Record # of people on Govt. assistance
Record # of job losses in 2009
Record # of foreclosures
Record debt
Record deficit.

Conflating time period with causation is a classic tactic of people who really ARE to blame. More sophistry.

And then there’s yours:

sarainitaly said:
Based on that, I don’t think it is a *bullsh*t* amendment to include. Sounds to me like the Dems want them to be able to get viagra – otherwise, why wouldn’t they voted to support the ban…?

And you really think that an amendment, in which an extremely tiny percentage of those affected MIGHT be convicted sex offenders, is the equivalent of supporting Viagra for perverts? No you don’t, because you wouldn’t if the GOP was on the hook for that vote. As I said in the Glen Beck thread – your morality is mutable, based on the outcome that makes your champions look good or benefits you personally and directly, that’s it. So, yes, you add nothing but sophistry to the conversation and your tactics are hypocritical at best.

ANd Harry Reid, when asked:

“Who is the single greatest living american?”

responds with:

Teddy Kennedy and Robert Byrd

And the site here is SILENT? Makes fun of and attacks Sharon, and ignores the ignorant Reid?

Too funny and yet this mission statement for mediaite still reads:

“Mediaite is the site for news, information and smart opinions about print, online and broadcast media, offering original and immediate assessments of the latest news as it breaks.”

Time to update the mission statement Dan to reflect reality here.

TfT said:
Teddy Kennedy and Robert Byrd

What’s wrong with Kennedy and Bird? Did they somehow make it onto the same list with Benedict Arnold and George III?

sarainitaly said:
Right wing lunatic? So, supporting Hillary Clinton, gay marriage, and pro-choice makes me a right wing lunatic?

This is the first time I’ve seen you write in support of those things. And given your vitriol against Obama, I’d say it’s mostly BS. You’re like DCMediaFraud if you support Hillary – denigrating Obama is NOT the way to support Hillary. If you’re pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, I salute your adherence to libertarian ideals in the social sphere, but you still attack Obama and defend the indefensible on issues from fire coverage to Viagra votes. So, yes, right-wing (“lunatic” was gratuitous, I’ll admit, but still nowhere near par for right-wingers around here, you included) – but I’ll grant you have a touch of social awareness. But not nearly enough to make up for the invective you support and defend when it’s aimed at liberals in general and Obama in particular.

Though I don’t know Paul Westlake, much of what he said today sounds so much like the “anti-war” thugs of the 1960′s who pelted my mother with bricks (even though she was pregnant) because she happened to be RELATED to a soldier in Viet Nam. My first impulse was to despise his gall, but I’ll do my best to set that aside and pray for his immortal soul tonight.

Ummm…. adding to thoughts posted earlier. How prevalent is it that politicians vote for bills that they don’t read? Or get someone to read to/for them? Brings to mind when Pelosi said about the HealtCare Bill; “We’ll know what’s in it after we pass it?(pretty close to this, anyway).

If you vote for it, it’s part of you’re record. Like Obama’s multitude of ‘present’ votes. He knows!!!

Austin Reagan said:
Though I don’t know Paul Westlake, much of what he said today sounds so much like the “anti-war” thugs of the 1960’s who pelted my mother with bricks (even though she was pregnant) because she happened to be RELATED to a soldier in Viet Nam. My first impulse was to despise his gall, but I’ll do my best to set that aside and pray for his immortal soul tonight.

Bullshit. You ain’t praying for anything but yourself. And I’ll thank you not to pray to your imaginary friend on my behalf, anyway. And in what way, EXACTLY, does this comment equate to throwing bricks at mothers of veterans?

Paul Westlake said:
You mean all the “real businessmen” who keep turning out to be white collar criminals, educated at Ivy League Business Schools? Or have your forgotten BCCI, Hedge Fund bailout, WorldCom, Enron, Lehman, and the fact that Goldman is STILL robbing us blind?

Lastly, here’s one of my contributions to veterans – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T_oTccR7Hw

People who flog others with their holier-than-thou mantras should really consider that the people they’re speaking with are real, genuine human beings who have a myriad of experiences that don’t always comport with their worldviews, and sometimes, just might actually have a valid point to consider.

But who am I kidding? That’ll NEVER happen with people who feel so smug and secure in their righteousness that they feel justified in dehumanizing others and demeaning their contributions. Sad. Very, very sad.

Paul Westlake said:
And you really think that an amendment, in which an extremely tiny percentage of those affected MIGHT be convicted sex offenders, is the equivalent of supporting Viagra for perverts?

“Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma offered an amendment that would have barred qualified health plans in the state-based insurance exchanges from providing coverage or reimbursement to convicted sex offenders for prescription drugs treating erectile dysfunction. ”

The amendment was to ban ALL sex offenders from obtaining coverage for Viagra. It wasn’t an amendment banning ALL men from viagra – just sex offenders and criminals, so therefore it is not a tiny % of sex offenders, it is 100% of all sex offenders.

No Erectile Dysfunction Drugs To Sex Offenders – This amendment would enact recommendations from the Government Accountability Office to stop fraudulent payments for prescription drugs prescribed by dead providers or, to dead patients. This amendment also prohibits coverage of Viagra and other ED medications to convicted child molesters, rapists, and sex offenders, and prohibits coverage of abortion drugs. (Note: the creation of exchanges could allow sex offenders to receive taxpayer-funded Viagra and other ED drugs unless Congress expressly prohibits this action)

Voting no on this amendment, IMHO, can very much so be considered voting to allow sex offenders access to viagra. How could it not?

Paul Westlake said:
denigrating Obama is NOT the way to support Hillary.

I absolutely 100% do not support Obama. I absolutely 100% do not support Democrats. Not any more. One of the reasons? People like you. I have said many times I am socially more liberal, fiscally conservative, Independent. But I am no how, no way giving my support to Democrats. They’ve blown up and, burned that bridge. And having exposure to people like you, who attack at will, and race baiters only reinforces my position.

What is in a name? Bernie Madoff–made off with everyone’s money. The losers felt surprised. Hello, the name was Made Off, Bernie MADOFF. Did that ring a bell before he made off with your money?
Now here is this Sharon Angle person saying Harry Reid buys Viagra for child molesters. I don’t know what her angle is but she better be talking to someone who just fell off of a turnip truck in a freshly plowed field, because we educated people don’t like people practicing tricks of the trade, we like square shooters who shoot from the hip with information they can backup. Say those things on a tape recorder, then, listen to what you sound like before you spread it around. It gives you a chance to change your mind.

Paul Westlake said:
They said if it passed, unemployment would not exceed 8%!

It hit 10% and is still 9.6%; it has been 9.5% for 14 months, the highest unemployment period since the ’30s.

Oh, and if that isn’t enough of a failure to you, try these on:

Record # of people on Govt. assistance
Record # of job losses in 2009
Record # of foreclosures
Record debt
Record deficit.

Obama Presides Over Most Jobs Lost Since 1940
By Julia A. Seymour
Business & Media Institute
1/8/2010 11:03:00 AM

Unemployment shot up in 2009 from 7.7 percent in January to 10.1 percent in October before settling at 10 percent in December. Behind those percentages were more than 4.1 million people who lost their jobs during the year. According to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that’s the most job losses in a year since 1940. (BLS could only provide data from 1940-2009)

Deficit climbs to record under Obama’s budget
$3.8 trillion budget: Jobs take priority; reaction swift
February 02, 2010|By Carolyn Lochhead, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Washington — President Obama’s $3.8 trillion budget blueprint for next year sets a new deficit record of $1.56 trillion, includes a big jobs program and rolls back Bush-era tax cuts for high-income Americans.

As for the deficit, CBO shows that over the first three years of the Obama Presidency, 2009-2011, the federal government will borrow an estimated $3.7 trillion. THAT IS MORE THAN THE ENTIRE ACCUMULATED NATIONAL DEBT FOR THE FIRST 225 YEARS OF U.S. HISTORY. By 2019, the interest payments on this debt will be larger than the budget for education, roads and all other nondefense discretionary spending.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703906204575027181656362948.html

Disprove one item.

You can’t, you lib loser.

sarainitaly said:
The amendment was to ban ALL sex offenders from obtaining coverage for Viagra. It wasn’t an amendment banning ALL men from viagra – just sex offenders and criminals, so therefore it is not a tiny % of sex offenders, it is 100% of all sex offenders.

Pardon me I thought it was all financial support for all men receiving government assistance. That must have been another one of the myriad of amendment the GOP stuffed into the session to try to block health care reform. (You get half a star.) And it still included kids aged 18 who get busted for statutory rape for fondling the breasts of their 17-year old girlfriends. And it’s still a specious argument because the GOP stacked all kinds of amendments to try to stop the final passage of the bill. From CBS news:

As part of their effort to slow (or even stop) passage of the bill that would make changes to the health care legislation signed into law by President Obama Tuesday, Senate Republicans have vowed to introduce hundreds of amendments.

One part of that strategy is to offer amendments on which Democrats would be hard-pressed to cast a “no” vote. If the Senate makes any amendments to the legislation, it has to go back to the House — a possibility that Democrats are hoping to avoid.

GOP Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma (pictured) today released a list of the nine amendments he has filed, and right at the top is a clear illustration of the strategy — an amendment entitled “No Erectile Dysfunction Drugs To Sex Offenders.” Here’s how it’s described:

“This amendment would enact recommendations from the Government Accountability Office to stop fraudulent payments for prescription drugs prescribed by dead providers or, to dead patients. This amendment also prohibits coverage of Viagra and other ED medications to convicted child molesters, rapists, and sex offenders, and prohibits coverage of abortion drugs.”

By opposing that amendment, Democrats are, at least in theory, opening themselves up to charges that they support using government money to provide sex offenders with Viagra — surely an unpopular position if ever there was one.

So this was always part of the calculation, and no, Democrats are NOT going to vote to prohibit coverage of the day-after pill. So you can use the line that Dems FAVOR giving Viagra to sex offenders, but you know as well as I do that it’s bullshit. Just another GOP poison pill that didn’t work then, and only has traction now with conservatives who don’t pay attention to the process unless it favors their ideology – and then they care an awful lot about process all of a sudden. Sophistry, as usual. Your righteous indignation while proffering a specious argument is utterly unmoving.

notsofast said:
Disprove one item.

You can’t, you lib loser.

All the job losses from 2009 are Bush’s losses, or haven’t you seen the bikini graph? And that was a continuation of the 2.7 million lost in 2008. You can argue the time frame, technically, but the causation doesn’t match up, as anyone with something other than navel lint in their heads knows. This is the deepest recession since the Great Depression, and it was brought about by conservative policy, as you can see here:

- http://calculatedriskimages.blogspot.com/2010/10/job-losses-and-preliminary-benchmark.html

So, as I told Sara, only people who know they support the policies that created the problem try to shift the discussion to a different time frame… and that’s you to a T, frizzy.

Here, I’ll save you the trouble…

“NSF says:
Hah! Told you you can’t refute the FACTS! The FACTS put this recession on Obama’s watch and the FACTS are that this is HIS recession!”

I’m sure my phrasing is much more formal than yours would have been, but I know your sophistry all too well. And no, that’s wrong, because the fact that the recession began under the Bush economy s irrefutable. The only argument you could possibly make is that Obama didn’t fix GOP failures fast enough – but, of course, that’s specious, too, since the GOP has had a standing filibuster in the Senate since Obama was sworn in. And even though I enjoy tearing your idiotic pretzel logic to shreds, it’s far too easy to be a chellenge for me in any way, and therefore, isn’t all that edifying in general. As Barney Frank said, “having a conversation with you [is] like arguing with a dining room table.”

The baggers love a good lie, and to advance the same! They pitch morals and know nothing about it! They can’t wait to spread a half truth, hate and fear! Thats all this amounts to!

sarainitaly said:
Voting no on this amendment, IMHO, can very much so be considered voting to allow sex offenders access to viagra. How could it not?

The thing to remember is that the amendment was a political ploy and never meant as a serious measure. There was nothing in the bill ever intended to provide Viagra to sex offenders. At the most it was an unlikely possibility for criminals who had served their time. What’s the point of an amendment like that when it’s such an unlikely possibility that trying to enforce it would be a ridiculous waste of funds? The point is exactly the kind of dishonest crap we see in the ad. Honestly, it’s every bit as bad as Grayson’s Taliban Dan ad.

exiledtruther said:
Interesting that Reid’s own son who is running for office said Obamacare would HURT Nevada. I guess Mediaite missed that. I’m not surprised, since I doubt the Daily Kos reported on it.

I’m still waiting for Glynnis to provide a photo montage of the “Advancing Communism Rally,” showing all the so-called “controversial” characters in their “controversial and inflamatory” garb. Oh, and the arial shot taken on 10-2, and not the one from the Restoring Honor Rally.

How about it Glynnis?

March 25, 2010

Before it passed (health care law), Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., proposed an amendment barring federal expenditures for supplying Viagra and other erectile dysfunction drugs to sex offenders. Democrats called it a political stunt aimed at killing the legislation. The amendment died.

Coburn offered an amendment to the health care bill that would “reduce the cost of providing federally funded prescription drugs by eliminating fraudulent payments and prohibiting coverage of Viagra for child molesters and rapists and for drugs intended to induce abortion.”

The amendment failed, 57-42, with Reid among those voting against it.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., encouraged his colleagues to reject the amendment, arguing, “This is a serious bill. This is a serious debate. The amendment offered by the senator from Oklahoma makes a mockery of the Senate, the debate and the American people… It is a crass political stunt aimed at making 30-second commercials, not public policy.”

The biggest mockery of the Senate came when it was discovered nobody read the bill before passing.

Let’s see if this “crass political stunt” will work for Sharron Angle. Just recently, Angle lead Reid in most of the polls and got the endorsement from the largest newspaper in Nevada. I think this ad give her an extra push.

Fact Check says that Angle’s claim is shaky at best, but we’ll see. Early in the campaign, Reid ran an ad saying Angle supported a program to use tax dollars to provide prisoners with massages. What it didn’t say it was a program to get prisoners off drugs in Nevada prisons since drug addiction was a major problem in prisons and massage therapy was a solution. Reid couldn’t get any traction once the truth came out.

Harry Reid and other members of Congress should make some effort to learn what they’re voting on, before they vote.