So the Democratic swine finally have all the votes they need to bankrupt America.

Next step for us: win the House; pick up 8 seats in the Senate.

What is good is that the American people have awakened and see that their representatives do not represent them at all. You are right Ararkhan – we take back the house in November and make major gains in the Senate.
November can’t come soon enough for me.

I’m glad this was resolved, and while I disagreed with Mr. Stupak’s interpretation and the necessity of an Executive Order, it shows respect for the pro-life position.

Pat Buchanan got it right in saying this is very good optics for the Democrats, who no longer should take a back seat to Republicans on family values or pro-life issues.

It’s been long known that progressive policies are more pro-family and pro-life than the pinched Calvinism of the right; now we can start explaining why that is true.

It looks like the margin will now be comfortable.

A great day in America. We’re in 14th Amendment, Social Security Act, Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Medicare territory here. This is once in a generation territory.

Yeah Jim R, I think Stupak did the Democrats a big favor.

TFT, you are welcome to comment over at TVNewser about the health bill. Azharkhan, I can hook you up with a buddy over at TVNewser if you aren’t familiar with that website in order to show you the ropes. ;)

Same2U: Why not send some people over to the Koldys’ PHOX Phan Klub. Looks like they’re going to have to start meeting in a Chinese refrigerator box if they don’t shore up their numbers. And Azarkhan and TfT would be very much at home over there.

Actually, for some reason, I rather enjoy Azarkhan, and he makes some good points. I think I might enjoy an imported beer with him.

Mr. Klean, I’m not even getting your fucking jokes so don’t bother.

Read it and weep punks:

Under the bill, Democrats require the federal government to pick up the entire cost of new Medicaid patients through 2016. But then the states start to pick up more and more, first by 5 percent, then it rises year-by-year to 10 percent.

But the states are having a hard time now and many say even a small share of insuring 16 million more Medicaid patients down the road will be tough.

“Every member of Congress will be hearing from their governor, from every political person in their state saying we don’t have the money,” said Jospeh Antos, a health care scholar with the American Enterprise Institute.

Eat some more:

He told Fox News that pushing 16 million more into that system will stress it to the breaking point. That’s because Medicaid reimburses so far below private insurance — even below Medicare — that Medicaid patients have trouble even finding a doctor.

“You can wait a very, very long time,” Antos said. “People talk about the problem with waiting lines, and rationing and so on. It’s happening right now in the Medicaid program.”

Actually TFT (Tina) posts at the Dump on occasion. And I turned Sara from Italy on to the place. Azark doesn’t want to hang out at a place where there are no liberals and/or moderation. Yeah, Azarkhan reminds me of a poster named Latin2 who is a female. I used to be annoyed by her frenetic pace of posting and trash talk, but I have become accustomed to it and it doesn’t bother me.

Gotta go now but here, leftists–suck this slowly:

Recent reports show doctors dropping patients because they were actually losing money on every visit. But the states are even more worried because they share the cost of Medicaid with the federal government.

“This is going to be a financial disaster for the states,” said Rhode Island Gov. Donald Carcieri. “Every state right now is battling Medicaid costs. After education aid, Medicaid is the next largest cost for every state.”

The Teabaggers are ineffectual. They can scream and cry and show up with stupid, racist signs all they like but, it will all be in vain. The bottom line is that we Liberals and Progressives helped the Democrats to a huge majority in the House and Senate. We expected them to do more than they’re doing with this bill but, it’s a start and our side has the right to govern, just as the Republicans were allowed to do so while driving up the deficits all in the name of tax cuts for the wealthy. This bill does not provide FREE HEALTHCARE as many on the right have been led to believe. It simply makes it cheaper for middle class families. Remember, only the poor are on Medicare and Medicaid. The rest of us have to pay but, can’t afford it so, we’ll get subsidies. That’s it. Small Businesses, that’s those with less than 50 employees will receive subsidies and tax breaks for their employees. That’s it. The teabaggers can piss off! They’re going to get their asses handed to them once again! My sister and I are drinking Champagne and my glass is empty. Excuse me!

Hey bitch! I like Latin2. She cleaned your fucking clock! Friend of Karl Spensen, another good man. Later-

Azkaban-

Funny thought- what if, in a couple years, America isn’t bankrupt? No respected economist predicts that this bill will bankrupt America. When you are wrong, as you conservatives have always been when it comes to social reform in this country, can you… I dunno… shut up? Forever? When will you have been wrong enough times? If people are happy in a few years with their health care in this country, will you continue rally against reform that is intended to help the American people? Remember, this bill is supposed to help Americans. You say these things you do like somehow Democrats WANT to bankrupt America. That’s just silly.

I’ll assume that asswipe wasn’t talking to me but, if you were….Kiss My Ass! You’ve lost again you needle dick, bug fucker! I raise my glass to you, you loser. Cheers!

One of the things no one talks about, at leat in wingnut teabagger land is the fact that the10 billion dollars that Bernie Sanders put in the bill for national clinics will begin immediately. This will afford preventive care right away so that all of those people who show up in emergency rooms with no healthcare will now see a doctor regularly so that the $1,000 dollars we all pay for them will no longer be required. You would think that even Republicans could get behind that but, then you’d also have to think that they are capable of cognitive, deductive reasoning. No one has ever accused those idiots of that.

Republicans in defeat – break out the ashes and the sack cloth, Stupak brings over his votes. Republicans today remind me of those Nazi troops marching back to Germany, vanquished, defeated, discouraged and depressed in those scenes near the end of Band of Brothers. And they made this circumstance – today’s win over the Party of No is the Republicans’ Waterloo.

hatehavingtodothis: “No respected economist predicts that this bill will bankrupt America”

Nothing operates in a vacuum fool, except, obviously, your brain. What I’m talking about is a CUMULATIVE effect. I put that in Big Letters because for you it’s a Big Word.

First, the idea that this fucking bill will cut the deficit is so stupid that only a leftist can believe it. So that leaves us with a piece of shitty legislation that will be sucking up money the way a leftist sucks Obama’s balls.

So then slurp this-straight from YOUR pals, the C.B.O. dated Mar 5:

“The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicts that Obama’s budget plans would generate deficits over the upcoming decade that would total $9.8 trillion. That’s $1.2 trillion more than predicted by the administration.”

And that was before the Democratic whores in Congress gave the American people a massive blowjob with this “health bill”.

Payment comes later.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100305/ap_on_go_co/us_budget_deficits_3

You’re even uglier when you’re bitter, Azz. And with all your analogies perhaps you could call up Eric Massa and cheer up with a tickle fight.

No Roxsy, I would never call you that. “That” was for same2u.

Billy Bob, I thought the Democrats were the party for queer folk. Maybe I got that wrong though. Rumor and shit, you know?

Azarkhan,
You may be right about Repub gains in November. That normally happens to the majority party in the off year elections, but it is unlikely that they will reclaim either house of Congress. The big problem you Repubs have is the division of your party. There are not enough tea party votes to elect candidates, except in certain areas, and extreme right wing candidates will not appeal to the moderate Republicans throughout most of the country. Then there is the problem of third party candidates dividing the Republican vote, such as the election in upstate NY earlier this year.

Most younger people are progessive. That is reality. The core base of Republicans are older people. As time goes on, that base will gradually dissipate in favor of the younger people and growing minority population (who the Repubs have completely alienated). I voted Republican for my whole life. But they lost me with all this right wing craziness, and I am not alone in that regard. Time to take the country back from the cynical corporate interests that now hold us all captive. And that includes their influence on the Democratic side as well, which is almost as bad as their influence on Repubs.

@ valkyrie101 Time to take the country back from the cynical corporate interests that now hold us all captive. And that includes their influence on the Democratic side as well, which is almost as bad as their influence on Repubs.

I agree with you about the democrats and corporate influence. It is always evident especially in the Senate. My hope is that the electorate (so many more young people) will stay involved enough to change that fact. It might take time but as we saw in the Obama election, and hope it carries on, are the young people getting involved in politics. The Republicans have become a party of old people set in their ways and afraid of “any” change. The young are not afraid of change and lean to being much more democratic.

P.S. My sister has been a republican for years until the BUSH administration. She lives in a state where independents can’t vote in primaries so she went directly to the democratic party.

Valkyrie,

GIRLFRIEND!!!! It was so sweet of you to diagnose all of the INSURMOUNTABLE problems that face the Republican Party. If I was sober I’d just cut my fucking throat right now! But fortunately I’m not, so reading your bullshit just gave me a new buzz.

Now first of all, I don’t believe for a minute you ever voted Republican, but if you did, I’m glad they got rid of your ass.

Second , let’s deal with this BS: “Most younger people are progessive. That is reality.”
You know what else is reality? All those motherfuckers get older. Yep. And most of them like MONEY and hate TAXES. Everyone isn’t stuck in some ’60s Grateful Dead Jurassic Park quicksand like those old fucking dinosaurs Pelosi and Dean. BTW, the vast majority of the youth in this country are not and HAVE NEVER BEEN leftist LOONS like you and yours.

Third, the Republicans ain’t got no problems. They’re just going to lose the corrupt and the weak. The local Tea Party’s will see to that. (Goodbye Gov. Crist, and btw, HBO sez you’re a homo!) The candidates in November will be stronger for it.

But most of all, my Sermonizing Friend, The Republicans have the Shitty Democratic Record to run against. AND Unemployment **Won’t Be Below 10%.**

I know, I know, you did mention that it is usual to have off-year losses. But I guess you didn’t understand that I thinking. I was thinking more in terms of a Tsunami, were the Republicans just wipe the fucking Democrats out. OK?

Maybe you just need to hear the news from someone else, Azz. How about David Frum who sends the tea party and Jim DeMint a thank you note: http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo“So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.”

Azark,
Nice of you to make my point. Yea, get rig of Charlie Crist. He has been a popular governor here in Florida, and quite a few moderate Independents and Democrats voted for him. He will probably lose the Republican primary in favor of Rubio, though, who is far to the right. But there are not enough far right votes in Florida to elect Rubio in the general election. And that dynamic will play out all over.

As for young people being more progressive. Do you take issue with that? The Obama phenomenon was essentially powered by those people.

Unemployment is a problem, so is the bad economy in general, but then the voters will remember what the economy was like when Obama came on the scene. And perhaps they will reflect on the Republicans stated intention to sink his presidency by opposing every initiative he proposes. Sure, those on the far right kind of like that, but most people, and that’s what counts, do not.

Valkyrie: “young people being more progressive. Do you take issue with that?”

Yes. Of course I do. You have absolutely no proof of that. Historically America has been conservative, and conservative values like freedom, liberty, free enterprise and free speech will never go out of style. The Left doesn’t believe in any of that, especially free speech. The censorship of political correctness and laws against so-called “hate speech” arise from the Left. So do the smear and silence tactics of labeling opponents racist.

Obama’s candidacy is not the first time rash and inexperienced young people have influenced an election. Remember that the McGovern candidacy was fueled by the young. They took over the Democratic Party, but McGovern got crushed. The fact that we have had several Republican/conservative presidencies since 1972 is indicative of the fact that America did not support them. Even Carter and Clinton were far more conservative (and from the South) then Obama.

What won the election for Obama was that he was going to be the second black president (Bill Clinton was the first). A lot of young people got all excited about something that was essentially irrelevant. What was relevant was that that he is a closet Socialist. Since the legacy media sucked up to Obama (I mean, after all, he’s BLACK!) his far left agenda, his coterie of radical friends and advisors, and his vast inexperience was never adequately covered.

It will be the next time he runs.

The left does not believe in free speech? You error. Ever heard of the ACLU? That hated “leftist” organization has done, by itself, ten times more in furtherance of free speech than anything conservative.

As for Obama’s experience, seriously, in what way was he less experienced than Bush? Or Palin? The man was a Senator, a member of the House, a law professor and the editor of the law review of the most prestigious University in America.

All over the world people absolutely hated Bush, especially young people. Obama is respected around the world unlike any American president in years.

The ACLU. Please. Those assholes have done ten times more damage to the country then any other leftist organization. But I don’t care about those freaks. People like that are hopeless.

Obama’s experience:

Obama served three terms in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. Following an unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2000, he ran for United States Senate in 2004.

So basically he was a US Senator for 2 years. Never served in the House.

“All over the world people absolutely hated Bush, especially young people. Obama is respected around the world unlike any American president in years.”

First, I don’t give a shit what young people think because I don’t respect them. Do you know what the young in California are doing? Despite that fact that the California is bankrupt, those spoiled assholes are rioting because they’re not getting their tuition paid. Personally, I would have them shot.

Second, I’m a big believer in “let them hate us, so long as they fear us”.
No one fears Obama, and no one in the world cares what he thinks. So far it looks like most leaders are telling Pres. Obama to fuck off. Iran, China, Russia, Israel, France, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea…

You should care what people around the world think, because our country does not live in the world in isolation. Peace is far cheaper than war.

Azarkhan says:

Personally, I would have them shot.
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You are nothing but a bigotted racist redneck.

Val:

Obama never served in the house. And if legal credentials qualify you to be President, then I am more qualified than Obama was.

Azark,
I doubt that you know too much about the American Civil Liberties Union, but as far as free speech rights go, nobody has done more.

AnonymousFinch says:
March 21, 2010 at 10:59 pm

And if legal credentials qualify you to be President, then I am more qualified than Obama was.
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I hope you’re not trying to say you’re a lawyer. I’ve read many of your comments, and you’d be a pretty pathetic lawyer.

“You are nothing but a bigotted racist redneck.”

Thank you. Coming from someone like you, I take that as a compliment. Now on to more important things. This is from a doctor on Little Miss Attila’s web site. BTW, one of my favorite quotes is from Democrat Frank Rizzo when he was running for mayor of Philadelphia in the 70′s. When asked what he would do about crime he said: “I’ll be so tough on crime I’ll make Attila the Hun look like a faggot”. Those were the days!

“As many people may know, Medicare and Medicaid, the current government paid ‘insurer’ – pays approximately 70% of the cost of care. ie its more expensive for doctors to care for these patients than we get reimbursed for. Say you are a contractor. Imagine the government mandating a significant number of your jobs whereby your out of pocket costs are ~ 30% + greater than your income. That is Medicare and Medicaid. In perspective, our group alone, year 2008 lost ~$12 million caring for our government patients. This is despite taking over 1 1/2 years to help move our fee-for-service traditional Medicare patients over to Medicare Advantage plans, which are privatized versions of Medicare that reimburse better…still not covering costs…but lessen our losses significantly.

Many people ask, why do private health insurance premiums continue to escalate? The liberals want you to believe its a combination of profiteering and waste. When in fact its due mainly to two other processes. The first is obvious: every year it costs more to care for patients and premiums are trying to keep up with this rising cost. But secondly, and less often discussed, is that every year private delivery systems lose more and more money caring for our government patients. Someone has to make up for these losses in order for your hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, pharmacies, group practices to remain solvent and profitable….”

But I’m sure you geniuses already knew all this. Of course.

http://littlemissattila.com/

the real john t:

you’ll never know what a fool you just made of yourself

As for the ACLU, did you know that they have many times joined in defending 2nd amendment gun rights. Here is a fairly recent example: http://reason.com/blog/2007/04/06/the-aclu-defends-gun-rights

But secondly, and less often discussed, is that every year private delivery systems lose more and more money caring for our government patients. Someone has to make up for these losses in order for your hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, pharmacies, group practices to remain solvent and profitable….”

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Might I ask who hasn’t been discussing this? One of the key points in the debate has been the role of universal health care will have in mitigating these costs.

Yep, my mistake finch, three terms in the State Senate, not the U.S. House. 12 years as a law professor at Univ. of Chicago…

For the record, Valkyrie is basically correct about the ACLU. They get knocked in the conservative press, but they have a long history of representing all sides. They’ve been slightly more “liberal” in recent years, but on the whole it’s a fairly balanced record.

For example, they supported the “conservative” (i.e., pro-First Amendment) position in the Citizens United case that Obama used to (wrongly) bash the Supreme Court during the Statue of the Union address. In fact, they filed two different amicus briefs in favor of Citizens United and against the FEC.

(Note, I heard that AFTER the decision they were being lobbied by a number of other groups to change their position. I don’t know what happened with that. I hope they didn’t capitulate, but it doesn’t really matter since their position over the years is very well documented.)

And also for the record, Obama wasn’t a “professor” at U of C. He was an adjunct (I think they call them “lecturers” there). I’m being something of an elitist, but that is a significant step down from a real professor. Most significantly, Obama never published a single piece of legal scholarship while at U of C, nor during his tenure at the Harvard Law Journal. That may be nit picking, but his legal credentials are somewhat exaggerated.

In fact, I think Michelle Obama’s credentials, particularly her years at Sidley & Austin, are more impressive.

“You should care what people around the world think…Peace is far cheaper than war”

OK Mother Theresa. Now go preach to the Chinese.

I got news for you. The rest of the world doesn’t live by platitudes alone. They practice realpolitik and for them Hegemony isn’t a game.

BTW, I’m not going to waste time researching it, but I think the ACLU has been way more then “slightly more “liberal” in recent years”. But of course, I’m looking at it from a fascist racist perspective, so I could be slightly skewed.

The winner of the vote is the Republican Party. November will bring the REAL change.