Where is Marcus? Oh, I know. He is in the closet.

Laws rooted in religion or hate pretty much amount to the same thing.

In the closet with you ?

The Marcus Bachman jokes write themselves after her comments.

lol at Michelle answering in circles.
Obviously the teen wanted to know if Bachmann supported a change in the law and why or why not.

It reminded me of someone saying “Everyone has the right to ride the bus, but Blacks have to sit in the back.  That’s the law”.

But you have to give Bachmann credit, she did out-debate a teenager.

What ? That makes no sense, what’s hateful about the marriage laws ?

My sexual preferences are not relevant because I am not publicly condemning a significant portion of our population by attempting to pray the gay away.

The question is , why do Obama and Biden relentlessly oppose gay marriage?

You lefties should call them out on it if you have any integr…    Okay…

Never mind.

You’re the one condemning gays by using the gay sexual-preference as a pejorative. I’m for full gay rights including and especially gay marriage but I’ve always maintained that gays are their single worst enemy. You’re the ones who make tagging someone as gay sound as though it’s an undesirable biological defect by throwing the preference back in an accusatory condemning manner… and then wonder why gay kids are subjected to ridicule and abuse in schools

Seriously, are you in third grade?  What a childish response.

They don’t apply to everyone idiot.  You make no sense.

You’re a case study in the dangers of getting your news from Andrew Breitbart.

If you picked up a newspaper once in a while you’d know that gay rights groups have most definitely expressed displeasure with Obama on this issue. But they also know that Obama hasn’t actively campaigned against marriage equality, unlike the Republicans, who”ve made it central to their appeal for votes from teavangelicals.

Oh, and huskers post was the type of thoughtful insight you enjoy? I’m rubber your glue…….Lol at you

No your just publicly condemning a significant portion of the population that believes in god, prayers, and the teachings of the bible.

May not even be third grade – and yet, could possibly by now be eligible to vote. 

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Resy, usually when children exhibit this level of homophobia, they have to take ‘remedial human sympathy and/or closeted empathy’ class, which they keep recycling through, like Sissyphus up that hill with his rock, for eternity, until they ‘get it’. So, hoot13 could be stuck for the rest of his/her life in that class – but, on the bright side, at least less able to adversely affect the interests & prospects of other, more capable children!

But is that so? I thought all Bachmann accomplished was a filibuster. Her little girl inquisitor is already better qualified to serve in Congress.

How so, the law defines marriage as between a man and a woman, I’d say that covers everyone.
Whose the idiot?

Very illuminating that you passed on huskers first grade post and jumped right to the third grade post.

Very bright – you accelerated right through second grade.

The slippery slope fallacy is called a fallacy for a reason:  it’s a fallacious argument.

If you have a cogent, fallacy-free argument against same-sex marriage, please do let us know.  Especially if you can back it with facts.  And by facts, I mean real facts provided by actual scientists and social scientists rather than some biased organization twisting data to support their own prejudices in either direction.

Bachmann: “There shouldn’t be any special set of criteria….there are no special rights based on your sex practices.”

How does granting heterosexuals the right to marry and denying homosexuals the exact same right square with that, Michelle? Please explain. We’ll wait.

A g a y person can’t marry the one he/she loves. That’s what we mean. People like you will be remembered as s c u m after you’re gone.

What are you talking about, you didn’t even attempt to address my points, put down your thesaurus and answer my questions, legal marriage does apply to everyone, and if you feel the definition is wrong where do you draw the line, re read my question above and try again, I know you can do it.

Nope, sexual preference was not used as a pejorative. Better read it again. 

I will never understand how giving gays — or any other group — the same rights as everyone else is giving them special treatment.  Does Bachmann really not see how they’re being denied rights that everyone else has?  Does she see it and just not care?  Or is Bachmann just being disingenous and doing her best to follow the party line and pander to fundamentalists?  I really can’t tell the difference between a case of genuine stupidity, a case of genuine ignorance and bigotry, and a case of deliberate pandering to the ignorant and bigoted.

For that matter, does she really believe sexual orientation is a matter of choice?  Does anyone really believe that at this point?  There’s too much evidence to the contrary, although I suppose that doesn’t matter to someone who doesn’t believe in science in the first place.  She can’t even get her own facts straight, let alone absorb new facts that might change her mind.  How on earth would someone like that be able to be President?

 Religious beliefs don’t warrant any special consideration when they are used to interfere in the lives of others and harm them. Ignorance and bigotry needs to be opposed actively, even if it’s cloaked in sincere religious beliefs.

The false teachings about homosexuals have done a lot of harm for generations. Now they are at long last, and deservedly, being actively challenged. Cries of religion being attacked are not very convincing when you realize how religion has  done serious harm over the years. If religion is being attacked it in self defense.

We’re not living in the United Church of America. You want theocracy, hoot? Then go to Iran or Pakistan. They’ll be glad to have you ;-)

And I can’t marry my horse, what’s your point, where do you draw the line, I just wish one of you would have the balls to try to answer my question above, once this clears your progressive agenda what next, marriage with children? multiple marriages? Wheres the line?

 Consenting adults.

Please keep that in mind before you repeat paranoid talking points.

All the arguments against SSM are just a rehashing of the arguments against interracial marriage, which was noted as nonsense some time ago. It’s time to grow up.

It’s interesting that some church in Kentucky has highlighted the point by banning interracial couples. Yet every Sunday they praise the Lord.

BACHMANN in 1962:  Blacks and Whites do have the right to get married.  They just can’t do it to each other.  That’s the law.

You make a fair point. I do think that the gay community has not always acted in its best interest. Plus there’s still plenty of debate about what makes someone gay. But I think you’re misreading the earlier post.

 There’s an illogical meme {yes ANOTHER one} being floated among conservatives that I’ve heard several times from several different sources. Bachman is just repeating it.

They don’t want this to be a civil rights or equality issue because recognizing it as such makes them look bad {why yes,..yes it does} So the bad reasoning is that because this is about sexual behavior, rather than race or religion, it can’t really be about equality and civil rights, because everyone knows that equality and civil rights can ONLY be about race or religion. Terribly flawed thinking.

Equality and civil rights is about any group that is a victim of oppression and bigotry for any reason and denied equal treatment and consideration under the law.  Our homosexual citizens certainly qualify.

Our country was founded and laws crafted on judeo christian principals, but that aside can ANY of you answer my question, whats next if you got gay marriage,” WHERES THE LINE “and by the way there’s nothing paranoid in my points just stating law, if states want to pass gay marriage so be it, but I don’t believe we need to change laws to accommodate gay lifestyles.

Beat me to it.

I think it would be more to fair to say that Obama has been silent on the issue because he knows that if he came out for it, it would be D.O.A. I can only imagine the stupidity that would would show up on the scary news channel, especially when you think about the coverage of non-stories like the Thanksgiving address.

Not exactly leadership, but smart nonetheless.

I have a question for specifically Bachmann supporters out there. First are you straight? If you answered yes, then answer me this if you will: If sent to a camp for a few weeks could you be turned homosexual? I for one am straight, and I knew it when i was in grade school, always had a crush on some girl. I sure am glad the prevailing laws support me, cuz i have never desired a man. If some one is gay, same deal. It’s who you are. Why deny marriage.. How does it affect you in any way? Ever?

I think the gist of her argument is that marriage is a privilege, not a right. Yet if we take this approach to its inevitable conclusion we come to the assumption that the government has the ability to regulate all aspects of marriages. Meaning, those mixed race couple laws that were struck down in Virginia were actually legal in the opinion of miss Bachman. 

Can;t reply below so here are a couple of things.

What judeo Christian principles are you talking about? Please be specific because it’s my belief that judeo Christian principles were around in other religions and philosophies before Jesus ever arrived.
Regardless, our Constitution is notably non religious. I think you’ll find it was crafted more around  the philosophical teachings of the Enlightenment as well as other things. The Judeo Christian principles thing is just a popular and inaccurate meme. It seems to imply that Christians have some sort of superior claim on the USA. They don’t. That’s kinda the definition of equality.

What’s next is a pointless question. When an issue arises we can discuss the merits of that issue. Here’s another false notion we can avoid. Marriage has often changed and been redefined as society changes. It’s not automatically a failing or a negative because something some people hold as tradition is about to change.

All are equal, but some are more equal than others. 

Bachmann´s response is utterly illogical. Supporting same rights for everyone? Then support gay marriages.

Otherwise, just say it loud, say it proud that you are AGAINST same rights for everyone.

Are there seriously any Bachmann supporters here? I don’t mean, “she’s better than Obama”, I mean does anyone believe she is even in the the top 50% of all living republicanns to be the choice for leader of the U.S.?

Wait a minute…I remember a quote of hers from awhile back though it may be slightly outta context…”our fore fathers fought tirelessly to abolish slavery (at the signing of the DOI) …” So by her definition she is fighting for same sex rights now….it’s subtle, very subtle.

Also, one more thing, if her husbands clinic is ever Not sucessful, then whatssup? If god is against homosexuality, and a person is brought to prayer and scripture and guidance from true believers, all should work, IF homosexualaity is chosen. And for those who came and conversion did not work, WOW, thanks for the well then, we reject you, bye! ewww, they were foster parents to so many! Sad.

The Bachmans give people who believe in God, etc a bad name, so it evens out.

Poor Michele Bachmann. By her logic, if same sex marriage is legalized, people will marry the Eiffel tower.  And her husband will leave her for the Space Needle.
http://brettcottrell.blogspot.com/2011/11/bachmanns-anti-statue-of-liberty-bias.html

Isnt Mr Obama also against Gay Marriage???
why dont the kids ask the guy who is actually in power the same question ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U

We need to get the word out to religious communities that anti-gay people are twisting God’s words to condone their hate.

Homosexuality is not a sin. The Bible is constantly being taken out of context to support anti-gay views. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality. These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, Greek temple sex worship, prostitution, pederasty with teen boys, and rape, not homosexuality or two loving consenting adults.

http://www.soulfoodministry.org/docs/English/NotASin.htm
http://www.jesus21.com/content/sex/bible_homosexuality_print.html
http://www.christchapel.com/reclaiming.html
http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/BibleAbuse/BiblicalReferences.php
http://www.gaychristian101.com/
http://www.mccchurch.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Resources&Template=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm&ContentID=2121
http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence.html
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian
http://www.goodhopemcc.org/spirituality/sexuality-and-bible/homosexuality-not-a-sin-not-a-sickness.html

 For those of you claiming homosexuality is a “lifestyle”, that is a false and ignorant statement. Homosexuality is not a choice.  Just like you don’t choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality, studies tend to indicate that its biological.

http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/03/differential-brain-activation.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html
Gay, Straight Men’s Brain Responses Differ
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html
http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w27453600k586276/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/06/16/172/

There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. “Nurture” may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological.

And it should also be noted that:
“It is worth noting that many medical and scientific organizations do believe it is impossible to change a person’s sexual orientation and this is displayed in a statement by American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, and National Education Association.”

This is the perfect example of how anti-gay people change the bible’s words for their anti-gay agenda.

Corinthians 6:9-11
Let us examine that very closely.

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [malakoi], nor homosexual offenders [arsenokoites], nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

First of all, before we address this line, let us consider one thing. Supposedly taken from a 2000+ year old book, understand that the word “homosexual” was not coined until 1869 by Austrian-born novelist Karl-Maria Kertbeny. So how it happens to be included in a true reading of the particular biblical passage should make you ponder how accurate the interpretation actually is. So man changing the words of the Bible to conveniently spread hate?

Absolutely.

His timidity on this issue has not been exactly been a profile in courage, but he may take a different view of things in his second term. He says that his position is “evolving.” Stay tuned…

Actually, that very argument was used by those defending laws against interracial marriage before the Supreme Court in 1967 (Loving v. Virginia).  The Supreme Court didn’t buy it then, and hopefully won’t buy it when cases on same-gender marriage come before the Court in the not-too-distant future.

Whenever liberals want to offend conservatives, they call them gay.

Whenever liberals need gays, they glorify homosexuality. 

There is no proof that Marcus Bachmann is gay any more than proof that Barack 0bama is gay.

When you prove that the anus was designed by Nature to be the receptacle for sperm for human reproduction, your argument for homosexual ‘marriage’ will be valid.

Until then your argument for homosexual ‘marriage’ is about as valid and is worth as much as what is discharged from that orifice, designed by Nature: CRAP.

Michele Bachman in 1955: Blacks have the same rights as whites!  The law of the land says that white people can sit at this counter and blacks at another counter.  The blacks just need to be whites.

Michele Bachmann in 1939: Jews have the same rights as non-Jews!  The law of the land says that Jews need to get on this train, so the Jews just need to stop being Jewish and they won’t have to get on that train.

Michele Bachmann in 1840: Blacks have the same rights as whites!  The law of the land says that blacks are equal to 3/5s of a man, so they just need to respect that.  We can’t give them special laws!

Straw man. Nothing’s hateful about the laws, unless you’re part of a minority who are excluded from them. 

I’ve never communicated with you before, restore4u, so why indulge in insults? 

LOL

When will Bachmann campaign against the eating of shellfish? It’s an abomination, you know. It’s in the Bible.

Why does it not surprise me you do not know the difference between you’re and your.

uncleduke in 2011:

Blacks have produced as much as whites, scientifically and culturally. And, of course, Africa is every bit as advanced in those fields as Europe or North America.

Jews have the same rights as Christians in any and all Arab/Islamic countries. Not as much as Arabs/Muslims, but what the hay!

What uncleduke does NOT say is that Jews and Christians would be happy to be considered 3/5 humans in any Muslim nation in the world.

He also does not say anything about the preferential treatment gays receive in Muslim countries.

You see, I love America, and would never compare America to backwards Middle Eastern countries.  I also wouldn’t justify our very real human rights problems with the Middle East’s horrible human rights issues, because we are better, obviously, than them.

That doesn’t excuse us.

It seems you need to think better of the US.

A particularly moronic screed on MB’s commonsense response to gay activist students.
The radical left, gay media no longer even pretends to report political news but instead feeds us radical left gay propaganda.
Earth to the media gay propagandists: for 5000 years, “marriage” has meant “a contract between one man and one woman”, not some other random combination of humans because it feels good. That definition of marriage is the bedrock of  human society.

uncleduke, you attributed to Michele Bachmann things she would say only in proper historical context, and the the fact that you tried to disguise your hate in miserably failed and inaccurate humor, speaks better about you, than about Michele Bachmann.

You DID compare America to “backwards Middle Eastern” countries, although in your hate of America or in your hate of conservatives, you failed to realize that America of the 1960′s is NOT the America of today.

Losing the sight of 50 years of history is obviously a convenient tool for progressives when they are on the war path against conservatives.

First, I compared Michele’s comments to other times in history where there is obvious selective rights.

Second, hateful?  Are you kidding me?  You are supporting a woman denying rights to a large group of Americans!  Absolutely idiotic!

I realize that the 1960s America isn’t the one today, I realize that comments such as hers have more place in the 1960s that 2011.  That is the point.

A “large group of Americans” are habitual kleptomaniacs. Another “large group pf Americans” are habitual drunk drivers. Another “large group of Americans” are habitual wife-beaters, child-abusers and bullies.
They are not what they are by choice! They are who and what they are – by birth – the same as gays are gays by birth.

Each of these groups, individually, or at least, combined, would outnumber gays. Should society accommodate their quirks as it attempts to accommodate the unnatural quirk of same sex “marriage”?

That rationale literally disqualifies any institutional concept of equality.

You simply don’t understand the Constitution GavinsPapa, and don’t understand the concept of equal protection under the law. Please let the adults talk.

Homosexuality IS a mental sickness and ALL homosexuals ARE mentally sick, psychotic!

From “homosexuality its causes and cures” by Dr. Albert Ellis Ph.D.
“5. Although I once believed that exclusive homosexuals are seriously neurotic, considerable experience with treating many of them (and in being friendly with a number whom I have not seen for psychotherapy) has convinced me that I was wrong: most fixed homosexuals, I now am convinced, are borderline psychotic or out rightly psychotic.”

In another 10 years after the teenager FINALLY experiences her first boyfriend she’ll forget all about having talked to a presidential candidate and get on with the business of getting married and having children.

@Hoot13: You say that marriage laws apply to everyone, yet they clearly do not.

@Hoot13:disqus
Are you honestly suggesting that a gay person marry someone of the opposite gender? Are you honestly encouraging people to get into fake marriages, or to lie to their partner on the most important night of her life? If you actually cared about the institution of marriage, then you wouldn’t be promoting sham marriages like this.

Sure, technically gay people can marry someone of the opposite sex. And left-handed people can technically write with their right hand. But that doesn’t mean they should. You wouldn’t create a law that says that writing with the left hand is forbidden and then claim that it doesn’t discriminate against left-handed people because they can write with their right hand like everyone else. It’s ludicrous.

And there’s no slippery slope here either. You show me 1 person that actually, genuinely wants to marry a horse. I challenge you. Then I will show you millions of people that want to marry someone of the same sex. In the case of polygamy or pedophile marriages, both of these have clearly been shown to be harmful to society. There is no chance they will be legalized. This is in stark contrast to gay marriage. Perhaps you should check out the Prop 8 trial findings of fact. It was quite clearly shown that gay marriage is is not harmful. In fact, even the sponsor’s own expert witnesses, on the stand and under oath, testified that gay marriage would be beneficial to society!

I just call them as I see them!

How does pointing out that Marcus Bachmann is in the closet in any way make being gay a “pejorative?”

Bachmann clearly advocates gay people marrying someone of the opposite sex… something gay people have been doing for centuries… often to the ultimate sorrow of both themselves and their spouses. 

Marcus appears to be a case in point.

uncleduke just closes the debate when he has had his ass kicked.Why do I sense he is a libtard?……..hmmmmmmmm.

How was the debate closed? I didn’t know that GavinsPapa needed his leash held.

Bobby, Bob Hansen is that you? Is that all you can do is correct my grammar. My apologies I’m a product of the public school system. Arrant publik sckool unyawn teecheers awwsum.
You Didn’t address my point though. What up? To late now.

Correct me if I’m wrong…But didn’t Obama’s Administration announce months ago that they would not support DOMA anymore?  Hint:That means the Obama/Biden team do support Gay Marriage.

She missed Con Law that day.

It never fails.  The country can be going to hell in a handbasket, and all everyone wants to talk about is gay marriage.  Gay people and interracial couples should also be able to get married.  No marrying inanimate objects, lower animals, or yourself.  Obama got a ruling on that last one before he broke down and married Michelle.

“You simply don’t understand the Constitution GavinsPapa, and don’t
understand the concept of equal protection under the law. Please let
the adults talk”

“Please let the adults talk” is telling GavinsPapa to shut up.
Thus….conversation is closed.
Are you really that stupid?

Truly, I don’t have to give Bachmann anything………….

As much as the site of the woman disgusts most to recall what they ate the previous night because of constant gas and vomit, she actually answered the questions with confidence and foundation.  She didn’t fumble the football like she or other Republicans would have if asked the same question.

The LGBT community believes they are owed something and we’re all supposed to support them and that will never be the case. Some think we should just “get over it” as some gays and lesbians say and that’s really difficult when half the population in this country is conservative and some of that half is closeted.

But give crazy MB some props.  She did a good job facing a question that most like her would answer a lot differently.       

You’d enjoy the backwoods of Minn. You don’t have black flash mobs attacking whites, 6 ft. 4 in. transvestite hookers standing downtown, people burning the American flag  or illegal aliens piled into an RV illegally occupying land no has the guts to kick them off of. When your “enlightened” civilization collapses please forget the backwoods exist. We are not homophobic but can reproduce without tech and political correctness so at least we are not confused in this regard.

Mother Nature herself defines relationships between a man and a woman. The fact that this is lost on liberals is like saying they don’t know where the water they drink comes from and would be helpless if they didn’t have a tap.

Here’s a fact: put 50,000 gay couples on an isolated island and they die off in a generation. How progressive is that? Damned cogent too as Mother Nature always is.

They can still love the person so don’t make it sound like “1984″ and they can still have a civil union with full rights or just co-habitate. What some people don’t want is the institution of marriage becoming another type of drag outfit. It’s not pretend nor a venue for such things. Guess what? You can’t have every single little thing you want in life – get over it.

No it’s not. If you have an argument to make, don’t defer it somewhere else. It’s like people who don’t obey immigration laws and then say “Well, I would’ve broken the slavery laws and been on the right side of the issue.” If someone is always going to do that, it’s the same thing as having no rules or laws and the last thing a mother wants to hear is that her 12 year old brought home 10 stray cats because of the anti-bellum South.

The principles wherein it is understood you can’t get pregnant from a dildo and that an anus is not a vagina. What’s funny about you people is that you posit that in fact, no one is ever wrong except the people you disagree with. Cultural relativism run amok and you don’t get the hypocritical irony. There is right and wrong and you are practising it here so don’t act like the idea itself is some weird idea only aliens on Jupiter practise; it’s just not your right and wrong. Here’s a hint: if Mother Nature’s not on board, you might be on the wrong side of this issue. Otherwise marry a pickup truck and name the first pencil after me.

Marriage laws apply equally to everyone. What are you going to do, twist the nature of reality itself to suit some weird politically correct view? Go ahead, marry an ironing board and name the first bottle cap after me. How that for redefining a family? If I like it it’s valid, even if I want to marry a polar bear. This is your lesson. Your name should be “valid” so we get it.

Who cares what gay rights groups think about anything one way or the other? Ever hear the expression “greater good?” Try it on for size. I haven’t yet ceded my civilization to the broken and failed who wear t-shirts that say “success” or “I matter most.”

Heteros don’t deny this right, Mother Nature does. When you get to the point where you think reality is a bigot or racist, you have a civilization in trouble.

It’s not any of those things: it’s about Mother Nature, the nature of reality itself. It has limits and one of those limits is that you can’t get pregnant from a plastic sexual adjunct or poop kids.

No, she doesn’t and neither do I. Are my feelings valid? No, they’re not, because you disagree. But gays feelings are valid cuz they are “right” and I am not “right.” This is all nonsense. The whole thing has been arbitrated by Mother Nature for millions of years and though mutants exist, they are in the minority. Sadly, they cannot reproduce no matter how much silicon they inject into their buttocks.

You might confuse the hell out of a kid for a few months or years.

The difference is that Mother Nature didn’t support that law. But the law where mutants that only sex other mutants is somewhat deficient in the ol’ reproduction department. That means they need me to survive, though they pretend I’m really the enemy. Certainly they don’t see me as a possible source for children. Why do that when you have tubes and wires?

“Beat me” is the operational term here cuz that won’t get you a kid and it’s not marriage. However marry your organ or a comic book or those things that are used to support shelving and name me after the first whatever that issues from such a fruitful union.

Luckily Mother Nature cannot be gerrymandered to come around to whatever fad happens to strike the fancy of a culture. However Mother Nature can destroy such a culture from neglecting the basic rules of reality. I take my cues from reality, not the Supreme Court. Self-evident, truths – remember those words? That means it’s obvious and not subject to an argument.

Actually they did. Read the founding Constitution of Massachusetts genius. And what a coincidence, no slaves in Mass. 10 years later or in the country 90 years later. Must’ve been a passing fad that people just got tired of and no one noticed when they stopped doing it. The 600,000 dead maybe got hit by lightning or something.

Poor Brett whatever, they’ll have as many kids as the Eiffel Tower. Name the first girder after me and send a pic.

Words and commands don’t emanate from imaginary beings from behind the stars so let’s just sort this out ourselves shall we? Otherwise I’ll put a spell on you, or maybe a curse.

I know, the Devil tortures these eternal souls and tells them they can’t have a body unless they like the unlikeable. Then, voila! Birth!

Name the first lump of coal after me.

Let’s examine it even closer and see if some 17th century guy in a long powered wig and blue satin jamies wrote it.

Brilliant series of ripostes: if you were a duelist you’d be dead yesterday.

No, my friend. Reality is the fact that members of the same sex can love one another and have a committed relationship. This has been the reality for millennia. And it’s not the role of the government — let alone the clueless Michele Bachmann — to tell two consenting adults that they cannot willfully enter into a binding contract that consecrates this relationship.

A civilization in trouble is one that turns its reality on its head.

What about Mother Nature? Old fashioned too? Hmmm. Too bad. I kinda liked her.

That was great. I think you win this one.

Marriage has always been the same for the past 5000 years, involving one man and one woman* who love each other very much.**
 
 
*aside from all the Christian cultures that had female children as young as 7 become brides, and all the polygamous, and polgyandyous ones.

**aside from all the cultures where marriage had pretty much everything to do with property rights (incidentally, the wife being the property of the husband).

Taliban member to random tea bagger: “It seems we’re not so different you, and I.”

Homosexuality is observed in almost every single species of animal on the planet.  But very few of the species on this planet have Christian based marriages.  So I wonder which one is natural, and which is not.

Have you ever heard the term “tyranny of the majority” expressed before?  It is an idea that evoked the concerns of Plato, Aristotle, and more currently, Madison and Tocqueville.  Civilization, is no one individuals to cede.  In fact, that would be a ”tyranny of the minority”, which is just as bad.

http://www.answers.com/topic/tyranny-of-the-majority

Brett Cotrell’s article asks,”Should we stand quietly by while the Washington monument porks the grand canyon?”

As long as they are consenting stone objects,  it’s no skin off my arse!

A marriage has other significant social benefits beside reproduction.  Is a marriage that produces progeny somehow more valid than one that does’nt?  I know of many successful unions that remain childless.  In no way does this decrease the value of the relationship.  I think, you incorrectly reduce the whole of your arguement to reproduction equals validity.  A marriage can produce children and be a failure, as anyone working in “family” law could explain to you at length.

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Dr Ellis’s views are out (by decades) of step with the American Psychiatric Association, and the American Psychological Association, and several relevant and venerable sources as mentioned in shadow-mans earlier post. 

Much of Dr. Ellis’s views were out of touch with the American Psychiatric Association, and the American Psychological Association. That doesn’t mean he is wrong. When he developed his cognitive therapy he was out of touch with the other therapists. Now it is the leading therapy. His views were out of touch with society when he first presented them. Now they are accepted.

What did the American Psychological Association say about Dr. Ellis?

Albert Ellis (September 27, 1913 – July 24, 2007) was an American
psychologist who in 1955 developed Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT). He held M.A. and Ph.D. degrees in clinical psychology from Columbia University and American Board of Professional Psychology (ABPP). He also founded and was the president emeritus of the New York City-based Albert Ellis Institute.[1] He is generally considered to be one of the originators of the cognitive revolutionary paradigm shift in psychotherapy and the founder of cognitive-behavioral therapies. Based on a 1982 professional survey of U.S. and Canadian psychologists, he was considered as the second most influential psychotherapist in history (Carl Rogers ranked first in the survey; Sigmund Freud was ranked third).[2] Prior to his death, Psychology Today described him as the “greatest living psychologist.” [3]

Then it is ONLY the homosexual members of the American Psychiatric Association, and the American Psychological Association that disagree with Dr. Ellis. But they are psychotic and out of touch with reality!

You just proved that homosexuals, like you,  ARE mentally sick, psychotic!

YOU are out of touch with reality. Of course it is the role of the government to tell two, or more, consenting adults that they cannot willfully enter into a binding contract that formalizes this relationship. That binding CONTRACT is a legal commitment with is approved by the government. Example of a NON-legal CONTRACT is one in which a person CONTRACTS with someone to murder someone, or commit some other crime.

YOU crazy people do NOT understand that you live in a society and that society has a right to make laws and standards of conduct. If you don’t like the laws or standards of that society you can move somewhere that has laws and standards that you like.

YOU are psychotic and should be locked up in a psychiatric hodpital.  YOU are a menace to yourself and society.Homosexuality is NOT observed in other species of animal on the planet. To say that it is is a LIE that the mentally sick homosexuals have made up to delude themselves into believing that they are some how normal.

The American Psychological Association also believes that it is OK to RAPE children. NO reasonably sane person believes that is OK.

A.P.A. Publishes a New Study:
Not All Pedophile Relationships are Harmful
The American Psychological Association did not denounce the positions advanced within the that journal. In fact, just recently, the A.P.A. published a new, major study (2) written by one of those same Journal of Homosexuality writers.
This latest article appears in the A.P.A.’s own prestigious Psychological Bulletin. It provides an overview of all the research studying the harm resulting from childhood sexual abuse.
The authors’ conclusion? That childhood sexual abuse is on average, only slightly associated with psychological harm–and that the harm may not be due to the sexual experience, but to the negative family factors in the children’s backgrounds. When the sexual contact is not coerced, especially when it is experienced by a boy and is remembered positively, it may not be harmful at all.
The authors of the article propose that psychologists stop using judgmental terms like “child abuse,” “molestation,” and “victims,” using instead neutral, value-free terms like “adult-child sex.” Similarly, they say we should not talk about the “the severity of the abuse,” but instead refer to “the level of sexual intimacy.”
The authors conclude that behavior which psychotherapists commonly term “abuse” may only constitute a violation of social norms. And science, they say, should separate itself from social-moral terminology. Religion and society, these writers argue, are free to judge behavior as they wish…but psychiatry should evaluate behavior by its own set of standards.
In fact, the authors of the Psychological Bulletin article propose what they consider may be a better way of understanding pedophilia: that it may only be “abuse” if the child feels bad about the relationship. They are in effect suggesting a repetition of the steps by which homosexuality was normalized. In its first step toward removing homosexuality from the Diagnostic Manual, the A.P.A. said the condition was normal as long as the person did not feel bad about it.
Few laymen are aware that the American Psychiatric Association recently redefined the criteria for pedophilia. According to the latest diagnostic manual (DSM–IV), a person no longer has a psychological disorder simply because he molests children. To be diagnosed as disordered, now he must also feel anxious about the molestation, or be impaired in his work or social relationships. Thus the A.P.A. has left room for the “psychologically normal” pedophile.
Theology and the Law Are Led By Psychology
If psychology indeed recognizes consensual pedophilia as harmless, then civil law and social norms will be under pressure to follow the lead of social science…as indeed they did on the issue of homosexuality. When psychiatry declared homosexuality normal, our courts and theologians began to re-write both civil law and moral theology based on what psychiatry said it had discovered through the medium of empirical science.
But What is a Psychological Disorder?
The problem with the law and society being a follower of psychology, is that what is categorized as a “psychological illness” depends on psychiatry’s view of the good life, and of human nature. And today, there is grave disagreement on those subjects.
So when psychiatry decided to redefine homosexuality as normal, it moved the condition from one category labeled “undesirable” to another category labeled “desirable.” (4) It did so based on a study showing that a selected group of homosexual individuals evidenced no obvious psychological abnormality (5), and also as a result of listening to personal testimony from a number of gay people who were happy with their homosexuality. In essence, these individuals said, “We aren’t psychologically unbalanced or distressed, and we’re happy being gay …So psychiatry has no right to label us disordered.”

Bachmann nitwitery — the gift that keeps on giving.

I’m thankful that this evil fool will never be president, and also thankful that she’s in the race for the ‘Lican nomination.

By her tone-deaf, obtuse priggery, she highlights every day how Republicans are the enemy of the common people, determined to stand heartless in the face of long-needed changes now sweeping the world.

Interestingly, her very existence suggests that the nutbags who insist that dinosaurs and people have coexisted on this planet are, in a way, right.

I believe the line is consenting adults. I thought that was pretty obvious and made clear over and over. Is there something hard to understand about it?

Mother Nature herself defines relationships between a man and a woman.

This is over simplified claptrap, and a denial of nature. The fact is that homosexuality has always been a part of nature not only in man but in other species as well.

What are you going to do, twist the nature of reality itself to suit some weird politically correct view?

It’s religious zealots who value their personal interpretation of a verse pulled from a 2000 year old book over reason and science who are twisting reality to suit their beliefs and try to make them law for everyone.
Marriage has changed in our society and in other societies. Nobody is protecting anything except their own irrational fears and  their emotional need for their religious myths to be right.

What’s funny about you people is that you posit that in fact, no one is ever wrong except the people you disagree with.

This is just silly. Isn’t that basically true of everyone? People think the people they disagree with are wrong? Well Duh!
 

There is right and wrong and you are practising it here so don’t act
like the idea itself is some weird idea only aliens on Jupiter practise;
it’s just not your right and wrong.

The process of growing up often means challenging and changing our concepts of what is right and wrong. No individual is the final authority over others, so we , as a society, decide. Slavery used to be right, according to some, not allowing women to vote used to seem like common sense, Killing off native Americans to steal their land, seemed like the righteous thing to do. Interracial marriage was seen as morally deviant and an offense against God and nature. The problem is for all your ranting you have nothing on your side in the way of data or solid reasoning. Your can defend your right to hold an opinion but when we come to deciding LAW that affects the lives of many citizens you must bring more than that to the table or you are doomed to fail. That’s how it is with Same Sex Marriage. Opposition may have numbers on their side for now, based on emotion and clinging to false religious beliefs and indoctrination, but that’s all they have. They have no sound rational argument and no empirical data. In fact the data available continues to mount and show them to be wrong and more and more people are aware of it.

No it’s not.

Not what? Time to grow up?

What some people don’t want is the institution of marriage becoming another type of drag outfit.

  Just like people didn’t want marriage sullied by the mingling of races? Your choice of words reveals a real ignorance of who gay people are. It’s an irrational argument to claim that SSM somehow harms the institution of marriage. It has no basis in reality and it only takes a little thought to see that. The same goes for the “what next, marrying dogs or tractors?” foolishness. We’re discussing consenting adults and equality.
Civil unions is just another separate but equal sham that will eventually fail. It’s people clinging to their false beliefs and remnants of bigotry while giving a little to feel fair.
“why can’t these people accept what we’re willing to give them and be grateful rather than insist on real equality?”

Yeah, that’s a real mystery.

If you have an argument to make, don’t defer it somewhere else.

I hope I’ve clarified things for you. Let me know if you have any questions or a valid argument I haven’t already heard a hundred times. Remember, an emotional rant, is not an argument.

Nice. You’re equating two people making a commitment to one another to a murder contract. That tells us everything we need to know about your reasoning ability.

Please go peddle this nonsense at redstate or foxnation. Most of them are as insane as you are and you’ll fit right in.

I have no problem of two people of the same sex loving each other, caring for each other, committed to each other for life, in fact I cherish their faithful love for each other.

But don’t call their union a MARRIAGE.

At least not until their union – independently and without outside artificial means – produces a new human baby.

Here’s a fact: put 50,000 gay couples on an isolated island and they die
off in a generation. How progressive is that? Damned cogent too as
Mother Nature always is.

This bit of ignorance deserves something. People who think homosexuals don’t have the desire for children or to reproduce are dead wrong. Homosexuals can and would have sex to reproduce. Modern science allows them to do it without sex if they choose, but if faced with extinction as alternative sex with the opposite gender isn’t so horrific that they’d die off to avoid it. That’s actually the reality of nature rather than what you falsely labeled as a fact. The nice thing is if their kids are born straight they are not horrified or ashamed because they haven’t been brainwashed by religious myth.

Please stop repeating trite nonsensical arguments that have been demolished many times over.

The mouth isn’t a receptacle for sperm or human reproduction either. I hope you’ve never violated the laws of nature by getting a BJ.

btw; not all gay men have anal sex, and most lesbians don’t.  I assume you don’t want the sex police to come into your bedroom and decide what practices are legal for you and your partner. Most people don’t. Chances are some of your heterosexual friends are having anal sex, and yet they are still married. You don’t even wonder or think about what they might be doing do you? It’s none of your business right?
Same thing with same sex couples. It’s none of your business and it has nothing at all to do with the question of civil rights and equality for all citizens.

Reality isn’t a bigot or a racist. You are not the arbiter of reality. The facts, and the data say you are dead wrong no matter how many times you repeat the same tired falsehoods.  

Did nature say certain races were inferior and deserved to be made slaves, or killed off to make way for the superior race? No men did, and falsely called it nature. Did nature say women just didn’t have the intelligence and emotional stability to vote, or hold elected office, or be a CEO? No, men did and falsely claimed it was nature? Interracial marriage was claimed to be against God and nature, and now widely recognized as backwards ignorant bigotry. Yet you think you can assert, “But this time it really IS against NATURE” while ignoring all the data that contradicts you , and somehow, your argument is valid. It isn’t.
Homosexuality has occurred IN NATURE in mankind and other species since recorded history. It was man, mainly religion, that falsely labeled it sick, perverted , or a sin against God.  Now more people are realizing that our gay citizens are just good people who want the same rights others enjoy, to live their lives in pursuit of happiness, without the old hateful labels.

 Or we can do as we’ve done many times in the past. Work and struggle to change those laws so they better reflect the equality spoken of in the constitution. That’s what’s going to happen. It’s inevitable, because the truth wins out over outdated lies and religious mythology, and bigotry eventually falls in the face of justice.

It’s as I said up thread.  It’s an attempt to justify and rationalize their position and cloak it in words that are less offensive than bigotry, and homophobia.

The idea is that sexual orientation doesn’t qualify as a group that is being oppressed and denied equality because oppression and inequality in the civil rights sense only applies to race or religion. It’s nonsense to be sure, but there it is.

And here it is ladies and gentleman.  The real core of it.

“My feelings aren’t valid” How dare anyone say that, especially when you can easily find people who agree with you and feel the same way.

Here’s the thing. Nobody is saying your feelings aren’t valid for you to have. Feelings normally aren’t either valid or invalid, they simply are. Feelings aren’t a matter of should or shouldn’t have them. They are what they are and we decide how to deal with them. Feelings are not a very valid basis for law although they definitely have influenced them.  As we grow up  as a society we balance feelings with certain principles and precedent to establish law and to strive for a better society where we live up to the principles of justice and equality we often give lip service to.
So, we balance your feelings, and the feelings of those who agree with you, against the feelings of others, and real data, and sound reasoning, and the principles of justice and equality we strive to live up to. Your feelings are valid in that you really feel them, but they don’t make an adequate argument for law when you have no data or sound reasoning to back them up.

Decent people don’t like how it feels when they are called bigots. They don’t like their religious myths being challenged and torn down.That’s normal but that’s the reality of growth. Your feelings and the feelings of those who agree with you, and the indoctrination of our society by religious myth, has done a lot of harm and caused a lot of pain to generations of innocent people who didn’t deserve it. Ignorance and bigotry must be challenged. We have a history and a duty of doing so.
I repeat, it’s time to grow up. Instead of defending your feelings on this issue maybe you need to take a hard look at them and question whether they are serving you or anyone any good purpose. A portion of our citizens are asking for real equality in a manner that harms nobody else in any way at all. You and your friends are saying NO! NO! NO! Why? Because it just doesn’t “feel” right to you. It’s not that you have any rational fact based arguments to support your feelings. You don’t. You have these feelings and it’s your right to feel them and defend them so you’re willing to deny your fellow Americans the equality of rights you now enjoy, something that will cost you and everyone else nothing,to give them, based on your feelings.
Time to grow up.

I’ve already dealt with your redundant Mother Nature argument. You’re wrong and the facts clearly . I suspect you’ll keep repeating it though because it “feels” right to you, and that seems to matter more than facts   

She saw it on a Flintstones documentary she watched as a child……

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

This is LITERALLY the first result in Google. You should really research things before you speak. And before you say “Oh, Wikipedia, that’s all you got?” Google it yourself. Nature is not on your side brother.

oh please homosexuality occurs in nature. I take my cues from studying the facts, not the right wing blowhards you love. 

Can you cite a link that backs up your assertion that:

“The American Psychological Association also believes it is OK to RAPE children.”?

If the A.P.A. does’nt denouce an article that is published in the Psychological Bulletin it does not mean it’s approval is implied.  Papers of this type are submitted all of the time by undergrads and students as part of them earning their doctorate degrees.  It does’nt mean they will be accepted by the main stream.

At any rate, is’nt this a bit off track in a thread discussing a polical candidates answer to a gay kids question pertaining to gay marriage and the candidates position?

You lump pedophilia with homosexuality as if they are closely related. Do you reject expert authoritys opinion that they are not so closely linked?  You leave a great deal out of your post that is generally accepted and would tend to discredit your viewpoint

If you can provide links, I’ll read them.

I don’t dispute that Dr Ellis contributed greatly to his field and was a remarkable man (he passed away in 2007).  He was obviously right about a great deal.  However, the consensus of the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association (and many others) differs from Dr Ellis’s; he is just one man.

If you can provide a link that proves your assertion that only homosexual members of these professional groups disagree with Dr Ellis it would bolster your arguement.  In my own circle of firends, I know two heterosexual psychologists who disagree with Ellis.  Psychologists are not so rare that a person can’t just ask one.

My opinion – Same Sex Marriage is already, and always has been, LEGAL.  Here’s why…it’s not the fault of the minority that they just didn’t use gender-neutral pronouns when legislation was written.  After all, does anyone anymore truly believe that only “all MEN are created equal”  (except for the woefully misguided, misinformed mother-nature-fanatics above?

I was going to make an intelligent comment about this, but they just aren’t…. The “Its wrong because its illegal” crowd will always be on the side of what they are told to. Self though won’t ever happen. So lets ignore them and change the law.

Even people today become embarrassed when they find out that their ancestors owned slaves. Soon they will be embarrassed about this. You know, there’s always gonna be a bottom 90 percentile, and top 10 percentile. Someones gotta be them. Things like gay marriage and slavery just make it obvious who “they” are.

James below, you are totally right about mother nature. There are gay mammals, reptiles, birds, fish and more….ah thank you kind sir for pointing out that gay animals exist everywhere in mother nature. So now to flora…gay flora, citrus, avocado, roses, spinach, lettuce, almonds…wait, theres not enough room for self pollination, or bi-gendered cross pollination to be listed here. But again, thanks for pointing out that homosexuality exists in every species on earth!

Great point.

kinda like when I saw one male dog BFing another male dog, or you know monkeys whom give each other oral…or squirrels, horses, cows, chicken, oh btw don’t eat food, you too could catch the gay.

have you seen his wife?

good point, Can we get some liberals that don’t believe in fairy tales? I know they are out there…as I am here.

they did…and do. They still are religious and therefore we need to rid our politics with illness. any atheists willing to run for pres? please.

oh yeah, again and again, dogs, cats, birds, mice, plants, trees, shrubs, weeds, giraffes, elephants, monkeys, polar bears…all have gay relations. just as god intended. oh yeah, do you know what it means to go greek? did you know that Peter and Paul lived in Greece? or you know what a roman bath is? did you know that the story of Jesus takes place in Rome? good luck in your butt.

its only like 10% have anal sex. Did you know that 10% of straight men like anal sex? I think its an animal thing, not a gay thing.

LOL, lets hold hands and pray….the gay away. ahh, love those smooth palms, now I’m all turned on. Can I get on my knees for you? did you know the #1 turn on for gay men is a straight man?

can we also treat us straight people the same? I just got married and feel like its so gay…lets pray for me.

There are 2-headed snakes too and pointing out the exception, particularly a failed exception, and then putting it forward as some kind of example of the successful rule is just plain stupid. Good luck promoting mutants with 5 eyes.

It’s not over simplified but simplified to an exactness. Gay tigers don’t reproduce.

So you’re saying gays don’t really survive in a natural and realistic environment other than as marginalized and reproductively useless organisms. Be sure to name the first cheese grater that emerges from your playdough fun factory after me.

Well in that case be sure to name the first dustball that emerges from the muffler (womb surrogate) after me.

It occurs in nature and like other mistakes dies off; that is unless there is heterosexual technology to assure otherwise. I say heterosexual because they are the only ones who can guarantee the race doesn’t die off. This is not a philosophical argument but one that says rain is wet. 

Be sure to name the first 8 legged chimp after me. Hurry because it’ll probably bawl and then die.

Reproduction does not equal validity, it equals survival. Validity is only valid in a society that is in no danger of dying off. 12 pygmies in the wild aren’t likely to scramble to marry their daughters to the one gay guy unless they have a death wish.

People don’t marry each other because they love each other; that’s species survival instinct.

YOU are proof that homosexuals ARE metnally sick, psychotic!

Since YOU are mentally sick you have NO right to an opinion.

YOU need to take your medications.

What planet are you from?

What planet are you from?     

I’m saying gay individuals do survive and thrive and contribute and deserve the same rights as anyone else. They deserve to live free from ignorant prejudice and unwarranted bigotry born from brainwashed homophobes and religious zealots.

James just keep on spouting your redundant ignorance and ignore the substance of a real fact and reason based argument. History will decide and show you and those like you to be totally wrong both intellectually and morally, just as it has time and time again to those who used the same type of arguments. Woman and black Americans can vote , and interracial couples can marry even though folks like yourself resisted.

I’m afraid the name ignorant dufus doesn’t hold any appeal for me.

You’ve provided a prime example of what happens when you have no argument of substance but merely an emotional rant and snide remarks.

Honestly, wake up and grow up. Have the courage to question yourself and your prejudices. In the end you’ll feel better.  

I really don’t care is someonetha tis obviously mentally sick as YOU ARE accepts reality or not but you should be on anti-psychotic medications.

Here is more PROOF of how mentally sick YOU are.
I sincerely question your standards of what a “hero” is.  You do realise
the “criminals” you speak of were not even charged with a crime?  Are
you aware they dismantled their tents as ordered, a full hour before the
aerosol capsaicin was used?  Simply, they were blocking a sidewalk,
anyone wishing to do so could have simply walked around them.  They are
students, practicing civil-disobedience, at a peaceful protest, and most
importantly, Americans–not trash.Your sweeping generalisations
about libs make you sound like a bit of an extremist. Maybe you had a
rough day?  These photoshoped pics might cheer you up. I especially
liked Career Day with Lt. John Pike.

I do want to thank all the mentally sick (homosexuals) that posted here and other places. I will use your post to help prove that YOU are mentally sick.

That’s just blatantly false and in denial of the reality and nature you claim to value.
Your constant assertion that you get to declare what is a self evidence truth while you ignore real facts is the intellectual equivalent of holding your hands over  your ears and saying “LALALALALALALALALALALA I can’t HEAR you” when someone points out the facts you don’t like.

Really unimpressive.

Obviously it hasn’t died off since it’s been around for thousands of generations. I don’t quite understand your fixation with procreation unless it’s just a lame shield for your bigotry. Obviously people get married and have sex for lots of reasons that are not related to procreation. Maybe we shouldn’t let people  who are to old to procreate get married? Maybe we shouldn’t let people who are sterile get married or adopt because obviously mother nature decided they weren’t fit to be parents.

You can’t successfully rephrase blatant stupidity and make it sound like logic.

the difference is that unlike the aforementioned 8 legged chimp, homosexuality continues to occur in nature and has done so for thousands of years. And anyways by your logic the best course is to ignore homosexuality and let them do as they please, as soon nature will “correct” its own mistake. 

Replying to jacob Maloney: Do I even want to know how you pair gay marriage with slavery? Letting men marry men and women marry women is like one person owning another?

But marriage is NOT about Mother Nature. Marriage is a social institution, not a natural one. Nor is pregnancy a requirement for marriage, nor even the ability to become pregnant. Nor, for that matter, is marriage a requirement for pregnancy. Arguing from nature is a non sequitur.

Repeating because of how Disqus works… marriage is NOT about Mother Nature. Marriage is a social institution, not a natural one. Nor is pregnancy a requirement for marriage, nor even the ability to become pregnant. Nor, for that matter, is marriage a requirement for pregnancy. Arguing from nature is a non sequitur.

Yes, all Republicans are exactly alike aren’t we? I hope someday you open your mind a little more, but frankly I’m not holding my breath.

Why is the male g spot (which automatically produces orgasm on touch) located in the anus, then?

i think what the guy was saying about gays dying off in a generation was more to the fact that they could not physically reproduce without the help of an outside 3rd party, like an island full of just gay males or like an island just full of gay women.

Who honestly cares whether or not two men or two women get married? They’re not hurting anyone by doing this, so, therefore, no one should care. Hoot made a comment earlier about the next step from same sex marriage being multiple marriages. If they are referring to polygamy, then, again, who cares? It’s the business of the polygamists if they want to have ‘multiple marriages’. If Hoot is referring to having been married, and then divorced multiple times, then my answer is still the same as before: who cares? Honestly, in America we should have bigger fish to fry than same sex marriage, but we seem to be stuck on this issue. Let’s just let everyone get married to the gender of their choice because it is their business who they want to be with for the rest of their lives.

If that’s what he meant then it was a lot more stupid than I originally thought.

Turns out an island of straight men or an island of straight women couldn’t reproduce either.

repeating falsehoods will not ever turn them into facts. You’re wrong. If you value the truth at all then stop repeating inaccurate talking points

Excuse me. That should be “. . . Republicans generally are the enemy . . .”

I’ll try to be more precise in the future.

God has a sense of humor :)

Proof that God has a sense of humor.

So long as you use the same logic to force straight couples to produce an actual baby before granting them a marriage license. No, wait, that would be a horrible idea. But it follows directly from the same logic.

This Infuriates me. People should be able to love and practice their love with whomever they please. She talks about how its “wrong because its illegal” bullshit. It used to be illegal to drink and I bet she sits down and enjoys a nice glass of wine every once in a while, if that law was changed then why not this one??? If a guy wants to marry a guy that is his prerogative, the government needs to mind their own business. All of these conservatives trying to stick their noses into everyone’s lives when isn’t Laissez Fare one of their die hard freaking philosophies. Marriage is a religious ordeal so for them to deny any form of marriage is denying Americans right to religion. And if a man wants to marry more than one woman, that’s part of his religion. BE MY GUEST! I don’t personally agree with it but is it my life…no. People act like the world is going to end if gay people marry each other, ITS NOT!!!! they aren’t going to start brainwashing children in schools to become gay, a world war isn’t going to break out, the ONLY thing that will happen is gay people will get married. Get off your freaking pedestal and let people be. Is that really so hard????

there is actually 6 “g spots” in the anus as to where there is only one in the vagina