Pauses for Republican applause. 

Says a guy who probably applauds the killing of unborn babies. 

By the way, nobody was lynched. Where is the evidence for a lynching?

“Ruffin noted that there was a vast racial disparity in the state of Georgia where 48.4% of people on death row were black males, despite only making up 15% of the population.”

Doesnt this say something about the disproportional amount of crime black men commit?

so tell me.  how is this a republican/democrat thing?  why would you assume republicans are applauding this execution?  oh and by the way.  funny how you make fun of handicapped children but have sooooooo much sympathy for this scum.

By definition, lynching is illegal; so Thomas Ruffin, Jr. is about as clownish as Algonquin J. Calhoun or Al Sharpton.

Is that your applause? 

I just figured that since the mere mentioning of an execution gets applause at the Republican primaries, that an actual execution would be a momentous occasion.  Don’t get so defensive bub, I was just letting you have your time to celebrate.

BARF !

He was there!

He was partitipating in the crime.

The Policeman was shot and killed!

It has been reviewed and upheld by about twenty different Legal and State processes
since it happened!

Of course, people such as that one speaking above and all the bleeding heart libs
 are all SO much SMARTER THAN the Judges on the Higher Courts and the State
Officials that have reviewed the evidence probably a 1000 or more times.

Get over it!

Sounds like this lawyer is about to nominate this cop killer for sainthood.

“Probably applauds the killing of unborn babies” – Is that supposed to be some sort of counter-argument? You can’t possibly be as dim as that post suggests so I’m going to call troll on this one

So is executing a potentially innocent man

Georgia and The US have just taken a massive step towards pure tyranny

Liberals never met a cop killer they didn’t like.

You cant really say that the number of blacks on georgias death row is a racist thing — It comes down to a matter of “dont commit a crime and you wont have to suffer the consequences”… granted Law Enforcement focuses on black neighborhoods… but the number of crimes reported in those neighborhoods (often entire sections of Atlanta and Savannah) is wayy significantly higher.  I cant go along with it’s a racist thing – I would be willing to go along with “the cops enforce the laws in areas from which they receive the most calls” Which has the unfortunate result of a large number of peolpe in those areas going to prison / possibly even death row – There is a disproportionate number of incidents reported from the black areas – therefore a disproportionate number of blacks in Georgias prisons. It has nothing to do with race – It has to do with those cops are lazy and tend to respond to calls – They aint really bothering to look anywhere else ’cause they get enough calls they generally dont have time to look anywhere else

You’re an idiot.

 Clap clap clap clap clap

This guy is an idiot.  Of course, I fully expect him to become the new rising star in the democratic party.

Dp you think the the Cop that just got charged with killing the handicapped homeless man will get the needle?

Clap clap clap clap clap

Tell me why I’m an idiot. I’d really appreciate it. It might help me to be as smart as you some day

Come on Republicans, I wasn’t trying to ruin this moment for you guys.  I know it’s really special.  Let me start all over again.

Congratulations on executing this possible cop killer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhTiJEYqqY8

A jury convicted him.  Many judges heard it and the appeals process fully went through.  If tyranny is having your guilt be decided upon by a “jury of your peers,” judges fully vet the process, then nothing will ever appease the opposite.  Ergo, you’re an idiot.

I could believe that these folks were truly opposed to the death penalty IF they were also protesting in Texas. They appear to only be opposed the executions when the criminal is black.

 You’re an idiot because executing an innocent person means something different to us Americans than it does to whatever country you’re from.  Over here, it’s a cause for celebration.  Bad news is that we have to exchange presents.  I personally can’t stand presents.  I prefer cash.

If it was premeditated murder, then I have no problem with it.  Care to provide a link so I can research further and give you a better answer?

Actually, I can’t stand the killing of unborn babies.  It’s the one type of killing that I just can’t accept.  

It’s a shame he had to throw out the word lynch to rile up the race baiters. 

Gotcha. The judicial system is infallible. I think I’m a little smarter than I was before. Thanks Snowsoul.

In Texas, there have been many black people who were in prison and death row who have been later found innocent due to the use of stuff like DNA evidence.

I just would have hoped that other states would actually put in the effort to avoid as many innocent people being executed as they possibly can. Especially a black person who was convicted in the late 80s/early 90s… and who was executed on eyewitness testimony that later turned out to have been mistakes.

Notice how they’re up in arms about Davis but silent as a lamb about yesterday’s execution of Lawrence Brewer. Apparently, they only care about black guys who kill cops.

Look, it’s execution applause! Finally.

As long as it was legal.

That’s completely asinine and you only further my argument that you’re an idiot.  Of course it’s not perfect, nothing is, but pretending like this is a step towards tyranny is absolutely ridiculous.  His lawyers had 20 years and they failed.  If you are so convinced he was innocent, attack his lawyers who would be incompetent.  But the system ran its course as it was designed to and to act like that system, which we’ve been using for over 200 years in the same general manner for that time period, is now bringing us closer to tyranny is completely idiotic.  So, you’re still an idiot.

Your congratulations should be directed toward DA Larry Chisolm (D-Savannah). Moron.

http://tinyurl.com/3qzasgm

Someone should explain that Davis was ultimately “lynched” by a black man.

Which execution was that?

Whether or not he was truly innocent is beside the point.  The conditions of the evidence they used against him in court after conviction changed.  Seven out of nine witnesses recanted either parts or all of their testimony, and a number of them implicated a fellow witness in the crime.  In a country where guilt should be determined beyond a reasonable doubt, that alone should cause any human to give pause and at least reconsider the sentence.  There’s no going back on execution.  You can’t right that wrong.

I think this case should serve as evidence that given the lack of absolute certainty in many of these cases, should we really be handing down an absolute ‘punishment’ from which there is no return?  The execution of an innocent person is a probabilistic inevitability.

There were 2 executions yesterday?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S3iB12osRo

Stop with the facts Pablo; you’ll upset the liberal loons.

I will bet my house that Ruffin is a strong supporter of abortion.

Liberals are hypocrites!!

Hang around outside an abortion clinic, it’ll cheer you up.

They have medication for that; your mom has a script.

Poor mans fate. It is always about money! OJ had the money for a good legal team at the time of his murder charges.He got off.If he was a poor nobody.Do you believe he would have walked? If you have money you will always get better legal represention and a better deal in court. This is a class issue not a race issue. It definitely is a polictical issue.

Why would you call me a moron?  I’m just letting you have your moment.

I’ll start you off.

Clap clap clap clap clap!

must agree with the system, even though it is not perfect…..  had 20 years to prove another scenario besides what he was convicted for…….  but IMHO the guy probably did it……..   all this time and could not offer a better story…….

“Doesnt this say something about the disproportional amount of crime black men commit?” Do you really feel this way. Cause if you do I really feel sorry for you!

Trust me..he did it intentionally.
It is a shame that real racism has lost it’s meaning because of idiots like Ruffin!

Yeah the Brewer execution made you sad I’m sure….

Pro Life?

The conditions of the evidence they used against him in court after
conviction changed.  Seven out of nine witnesses recanted either parts
or all of their testimony, and a number of them implicated a fellow
witness in the crime.

The State presented 35 witnesses, not nine. And those who recanted went from “Yeah, he’s my buddy, but I saw him shoot the cop.” to “I can’t be sure it was him I saw shoot the cop.” Those recantations have been endlessly reviewed and nobody’s buying them. Probably because it’s so obvious that those recanting don’t want Davis’ execution on their consciences. So much for that.

Who are you to judge?

You’ve been presented with evidence on tons of different ordeals and your right wing twisted brain still refuses to see the truth so whats the point?

I applaud your anonymous postings on a issue you first heard out about two days ago .

Congratulations Glutton ! You’re making a difference !

No particular execution.  I think the cumulative value of 234 executions in a 9 and a half year span is what drew the applause.  I have to admit when it comes to executions Rick Perry just might be the best thing we got.

Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap!

You were there? Eye witness? Really?

He got off because that jury was going to let him off regardless of his guilt or innocence. Karma’s a bitch, though.

That’s not a feeling. That’s a fact. I blame fatherlessness.

Nope. Not even a little.

Yeah, hang out in the back, by the dumpster. http://tinyurl.com/3gnkdfy

Why do the lefty losers hate the U.S. justice system?  They constantly whine that the system is flawed, that those found innocent are really guilty (O.J., Casey Anthony) and that those found guilty are really innocent (Troy Davis).

But then, ironically, these same lefty losers want the government to bring terrorists to the U.S. for trial.  Sheer idiocy by sheer idiots.

Who else is an idiot? Can you do up some sort of list?

Perhaps it’s your brain that’s twisted. Given your handle, I’m guessing untreated syphilis.

I am againt all capital punnishment. It is barbaric.The countries that have capital punnishment in current use are Belarus ·China (PRC) ·Cuba ·Egypt ·India ·Iran ·Israel ·Japan ·Malaysia ·Mongolia ·North Korea ·Pakistan · Saudi Arabia ·Singapore ·South Korea ·Taiwan (ROC) ·Tonga ·United States · Vietnam…..THATS IT!……… Nice group of countries Huh?

Speaking of scripts, I wrote one for your mom last night.  The shit I do to her this time is unreal.  Let’s just say don’t expect her to be sitting down or walking straight for a while.

I’d say that hollow argument would be related entirely to where you live and work both socially and economically. 

Please expound a little more and give us all the benefit of perhaps your superior knowledge.

Because you have tons of opinions about facts you have zero grasp of and a big mouth.

No I hate abortions. Life begins at conception and ends at birth as far as I’m concerned.  

 Just say your mom at an abortion clinic.  You’re right, it did cheer me up.

Oh, so you’re just babbling half baked talking points? As usual…

For instance, a Texas governor has damned little say about executions. I’m sure you didn’t know that, mostly because you’re an idiot.

Know what they call a thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean ? A start……..

i’d clap for your death. libs like you are responsible for the pussification of this country…

I’m glad to see you’re taking this subject so seriously. Why don’t you give yourself another round of applause?

Happy double execution day everybody!  It’s like having your birthday fall on Christmas.  That Jesus Christ was a lucky SOB.

I agree with you 100%, it’s always about the money, if you’ve got it. In America history has shown people with it think they can almost get away with murder. 

This will bring all the usual divides out again. If the evidence is questionable, it’s going to be an issue for a long time to come. 

So because more black men commit crimes in Georgia, are found guilty of those crimes and sentenced to death for said crimes it is somehow racially motivated?  Maybe someone should explain to the attorney that it has nothing to do with race but with the law of numbers. If there are more blacks committing violent crimes then more blacks will be sentenced to death. It is a very simple problem to fix. If blacks stopped committing violent crimes then none would be sentenced to death.

why do you keep calling your sister his mom? that would make you his dad…

Take out the sharia countries and yes, they’re mostly very nice places.

Even if they stop committing the crime, I say we execute them anyway.  It’s nice to have executions take place at least once a month to keep my spirits up.

Romans  had the gladiators and we have executions.  Give me a break.  I needed something to turn to after I found out wrestling is fake.  Don’t take this one away from me too.  All I’ll have left is stupid NASCAR which doesn’t have nearly enough fatal car crashes for my taste.

This is about a quest for former Slave descendants African-American racial equality, Afro-American civil rights & voting rights along with social justice,

Try to expand your reasoning a little!! Us “lefties” don’t want to see a possible innocent man put to death!!

Just imagine if it happened to you!! And I said I saw you kill someone, even though you said you’re innocent!! Then, you went to trial, was found guilty, and was going to be put to death!! Then, 10 years later I said I might be wrong and didn’t think you did it… wouldn’t you want to be heard when repeating you were innocent from the beginning and putting you to death is a mistake that could never be undone??

This case was based on witness testimony, not scientific DNA!!

Furthermore, you should ask the question why “righties” never seem to have compassion when it’s needed most??

 You’re getting very upset on what should be a festive day. 

2 executions = twice the party

Clap clap clap clap clap!

http://cdn1.alexanderhiggins.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Worldwide-Outrage-After-Homeless-Man-Beaten-To-Death-By-6-Police-Officers.jpg           *graphic*

here you go..and i was being sarcastic since the cop only got charged with 2nd degree murder..no death penalty possible… also if Troy Davis did it ..they did prove pre meditation.. just so you know.. 

*did not prove pre meditation..

What do you mean by “given your handle”?  Have you actually seen and examined his handle?  

Clap clap clap clap, wait a second, that’s a JC no no.  BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I didn’t know you were sitting in the courtroom during the trial!! Did you ever stand up during the proceedings yelling “Fry that mother f*cker”??

That’s not even remotely what he said.  The color of both the victim and the alleged perpetrator play a huge role in when the death penalty is meted out – these are statistics, not politics.

Please have the decency to learn about the issue before you run your mouth.  An innocent man died last night.

No racism hasn’t lost it’s meaning at all. Not a jot.

Certainly not in America, where there are so many methods of the stealth variety exhibited by many people on these boards. People who have a natural inclination to let it all slip out with the helpless turn of phrase here and there. 

This incident and the other yesterday with Brewer offers up another example of what divides this country. 

Keep up the good work, because what often goes around, also quite often comes around.

Or the innocent baby that had no say whatsoever prior to you aborting him/her.

It might make me his dad but I don’t have a sister.  

The guy is as dumb as they come.

Were You protesting in Texas??

No one should get off if capital punishment is at play.  At long as the prosecution throws in the death penalty, the defendant is as good as guilty to me.  I love me a good execution!

Clap clap clap clap clap!

In fairness to people who weren’t protesting in Texas, it’s sort of hard to keep up with all the Texas executions.  

Indeed, three (3) scheduled on consecutive nights, albeit the Supremes stayed two (2) of them.

Regardless, that does not negate my ultimate point that in a state that sanctions criminal executions, the execution of an innocent individual is a probabilistic inevitability.  It WILL happen and, if one allows themselves to think honestly, it has happened.  Maybe not here, but it has happened and will continue to happen so long as the state continues to kill some of its prisoners.

The death penality is also incredibly impractical in terms of costs.  A person serving life in prison costs the state much less than a single execution.  This is because of the countless appeals and required procedures, not to mention the fact that convicts are typically on death row for 15-20 years.

In short, the death penalty is impractical, as it costs more in the long run and does not serve as a deterrent, and its use will inevitably lead to the execution of an innocent.  If a person is wrongfully convicted and given LWOP, they can be released and given restitution.  If a person is wrongfully convicted and executed?  Well….

I don’t understand the big deal. We execute innocent people and people who did not receive fair trials in Texas all the time. The Teapublicans love to watch nervous people twitch, go into convulsions and die. 

Sure sounds like he was guilty. The courts found him guilty 20 years ago, and the conviction has held up repeatedly. 

Also sounds like the media have been misreporting the facts…

“remember as well that there were 34 witnesses, not the 9 as claimed. The defense claims seven witnesses changed their testimony. That’s actually not true. Only two materiallychanged their testimony and Davis’s attorneys refused to present those two in federal court in 2010 to be examined in the evidentiary hearing even though they sat outside the courtroom door. Among the eyewitnesses were three airmen in the Air Force in a bus who had prime viewing for the murder and all identified Troy Davis as the wearer of the white Batman t-shirt, which is what the murderer wore…So anti-death penalty advocates can conveniently say there is no physical evidence by discounting the gun, the casings, and ignoring Officer MacPhail’s blood on Troy Davis’s clothes found in Troy Davis’s laundry all because the very same court system that found him guilty without that physical evidence followed the law and excluded it.”
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/09/21/there-is-no-travesty-of-justice-in-georgia-executive-troy-davis/

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-09-21.html

I see you’re passionate on this issue!! How many babies have you adopted to save them from being aborted?? I’m sure the answer is NONE!! How about standing up and doing something about it then instead of just shooting the doctor at the clinic!!

Those back to back executions are tough to keep up with especially when they do the so late at night.

The bigger issue for me is how the death penalty is handed out.. Why some acts like essentially a drive by in the Troy Davis case ( if he did it)  deserve the needle… yet a 10 minute sustained beating resulting in the death of a homeless handicapped man by a The Cal fullerton cop can only get him 15 years max….also Why are blacks and poor people receiving the needle for similar crimes as those that are not at a MUCH higher percentage?  

I say, I say there, Kangfish; is you see whut them folkses be doin down in Gawjuh? You see dat?

Or by the cops who coerced confessions out of witnesses

Especially libs.

Adopting a baby does nothing to reduce abortions.  At least shooting doctors discourages the practice for a while.

Trust you?  Why?

–Cobra

How many people on death row do you contribute money to their defense fund?  Of those released due to updated DNA testing, how many have you employed, provided homes to, or generally supported financially?

Sources:  Redstate and AnnCoulter.com?

Really?

–Cobra

My name is Billy AustinI’m twenty-nine years oldI was born in OklahomaQuarter Cherokee I’m toldDon’t remember OklahomaIt’s been so long since I left homeSeems like I’ve always been in prisonLike I’ve always been aloneDidn’t mean to hurt nobodyNever thought I’d cross that lineI held up a filling stationLike I’d done a hundred timesThe kid done like I told himHe lay face down on the floorGuess I’ll never know what made meTurn and walk back through that doorThe shot rang out like thunderMy ears rang like a bellNo one came runnin’And so I called the cops myselfTook their time to get thereAnd I guess I could’a runI knew I should be feeling somethingBut I never shed tear oneI didn’t even make the papers’Cause I only killed one manBut my trial was over quicklyAnd then the long hard wait beganCourt appointed lawyerCouldn’t look me in the eyeHe just stood up and closed his briefcaseWhen they sentenced me to dieAnd now my waitin’s overAs the final hour drags byI ain’t about to tell youThat I don’t deserve to dieThere’s twenty-seven men hereMostly black and brown and poorAnd most of ‘em are guiltyAnd who are you to say for sure?So when the preacher comes to get meAnd they shave off all my hairCould you take that long walk with meKnowing Hell’s waitin’ there?Could you pull that switch yourself, sirWith a sure and steady hand?Could you still tell youself, sirThat you’re better than I am?My name is Billy AustinI’m twenty-nine years oldI was born in OklahomaQuarter Cherokee I’m told
Song by Steave Earle

smokin’ illegal substance AGAIN?

smokin’ illegal substance AGAIN?

What do you think should happen when an officer empties 2 full magazines into an unarmed man saying he had a gun despite the fact that no gun is found on the scene and eyewitnesses said otherwise? I’m just curious.

Are any of the facts they mentioned false? 

I have been reading about the case today and didn’t find anything to counter what they said. If you can prove otherwise, I would be interested to read what you have.

no argument there, FartWorth, just a fact – libs love to protect killers and CONDONE abortion, i.e. KILLING BABIES ALIVE – like you?

Big 10-4 on that one, except there’s a big difference between a doctor and an abortionist.

This blog takes a good look at the case and explains why Davis is guilty.

http://www.skepticaljuror.com/

This blog takes a good look at the case and explains why Davis is guilty.

http://www.skepticaljuror.com/

The US Supreme Court took the unusual step of having  Federal Judge William T. Moore conduct an “innocence hearing” ito review Troy Davis’ claims of innocence, including all the “recanted” testimony. I have read the transcripts of Mr. Davis’ hearings, which I have linked below. What is clear is that despite claims that “7 of 9 key witnesses have recanted their testimony”, no such thing has occurred.

Judge Moore, who is a life-long Democrat, was appointed by Jimmy Carter to be the United States Attorney for the District of Georgia from 1977 to 1981 and was appointed to the Federal bench in 1994 by Bill Clinton. He found that most of the “recantations” were not recantations at all and that other “recantations” were unreliable and clearly contradicted by other uncontested evidence. He described Davis’ evidence of innocence as “smoke and mirrors”.

I urge anyone who believes Davis to be innocent to read the transcripts.

http://www.gasd.uscourts.gov/pdf/409cv00130_92part1.pdf
http://www.gasd.uscourts.gov/pdf/409cv00130_92part2.pdf

No it isn’t. It’s about America, Americans and criminal justice.

That’s not a fact. That’s an opinion.

I’m not surprised you like North Korea.

If the hood fits ….

The law should drop on them like a ton of bricks. Murder is bad enough, but when you’re entusted to uphold the law and you break it, that makes it even worse.

What makes you think I’m upset? Because I stated the perfectly obvious?

Yeah! Except that, no, they didn’t do it.

It will cover your toupee!

Well, you’ve proven time-and-time again you know much more about what is happening in the US than those of us who are not foreigners and who are living at home know. So, thanks so much for the valuable input.

BTW: Off for France late afternoon. Business meetings in Bordeaux, Toulouse and Arles. Going to get in a bit of Christmas shopping in Andorra as well. Any chance we’ll run into each other or are you staying put in Berlusconireich?

Who said I was in the courtroom? Little wonder you understand so little. Making facts up on the fly rarely leads to understanding.

Oh, it has happened. Keeping it from happening again is a must. The notion that it will inevitably happen again is not grounded in fact, though.

Wait, I thought your kind liked Cuba. 

See Moore, Michael

*FETUSES

That’s because you’re deeply disturbed.

Tell that to the guys who killed Sean Bell and Amadou Diallo. They ALL got off. The defense in the Bell case? There was a fourth man with a gun who fled the scene even though this was never indicated in preliminary reports or eyewitness accounts. Now let me ask this; if you’re in a car and one of the people with you kills somebody, but you have no gun and according to physical therapists lack the ability to fire one based on previous muscle/nerve damage should you be tried with 1st degree murder?

The murdered police officer here was off-duty but saw Davis pistol-whipping a homeless man in a parking lot, and went to help out. Instead, he was shot and killed. 

Sounds like a wonderful human being, and I wish his family my prayers.   

Wait, you can get SCOTUS to intervene and review death penalty convictions? And they didn’t give Davis a stay? RACISTS!!! Especially that Thomas fellow.

And meanwhile, they let you walk the streets. Where is the justice in that?

My only sadness at Davis finally being executed is that some major Democrat like Jimmy Carter, or Al Sharpton, or Alec Baldwin, wasn’t sitting in his lap when he got the death juice.

No, it wasn’t essentially a drive by.

“This guy is an idiot.  Of course, I fully expect him to become the new rising star in the democratic party.”

Rising star? All idiots are rising stars in the Donkey-Doo Party!

Lawdy, yes! Did yas see that nigra lawman a-lynchin’ dat po boy?

Someone better remind Ruffin that there were 7 blacks on the Davis jury so they participated in this so-called “lynching”. What a bunch of bs!

No, but it is grounded in probability which should be enough to cause someone to give pause.  And as a probability, if we continue to execute people it will inevitably happen again.

Liberals only want death for Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld, despite their being convicted of nothing.

Liberals always hate law and order, and authority. Except when it is the Obama Stasi coming to your home to demand that you buy Obaminsurance, or pay for some Obamacorruption.

No one applauds, supports or condones the killing of the unborn.  Though many of us are for a woman’s right to choose as we are pragmatic and can accept the reality of a given situation. 

7 black jurors and 5 white jurors unanimously called for Troy Davis to be “lynched”. And this would be the first lynching I’ve ever seen that had an automatic appeal and took over 20 years to happen.

Yeah, so much for that douche bag’s race-baiting rant. Unless the 7 black jurors were just Uncle Toms.

Wait, you expect us to believe the Supreme Court over the Huffington Post? I’m going to have to check with Jon Stewart on this.

Wait, you expect us to believe the Supreme Court over the Huffington Post? I’m going to have to check with Jon Stewart on this.

Also, the anti death penalty crowd doesn’t tell us that there were 34 witnesses.

They also don’t tell you that Davis was convicted of another crime not far from the officer shooting that same night and he had a gun. His lawyer said the gun was stolen. Yet, it showed up at the officer killing at the same time Davis did. What a coincidence.

stalker.

stalker.

They don’t know the difference.

They don’t know the difference.

He killed a cop.

He killed a cop.

So, you don’t understand the word “mostly”, Kook? Why does that not surprise me?

So you’re questioning the legitimacy of some people because they aren’t also speaking another execution that is not the topic of the article?

The vast majority of abortions are done out of convenience. Those are the one’s I abhor.

Where is the evidence?

Al Gore.

Blacks have to make injustice up to explain their woes. Most obvious double murderer in history, O.J. Simpson, was set free for one reason, black jury prejudice.

If the police told him he was there, he was there.  At least that’s what 7 of 9 witnesses said who have since recanted.  Also it was proven the FBI lab provided false ballistic results in court.  Reasonable doubt should have led to another trial at the very least.  But hey, it’s the south, lynchings are still happening to black men here.  Every year here in Florida  some poor black guy who was convicted 20-30+ years ago is released from prison in Florida when DNA shows it wasn’t them. It works for murder too when prosecutors let it.

“As long as it was legal.”

-TruDat

Troy Davis Protesters Call For Execution Of George Bush…….And Barack Obama too – right?http://www.breitbart.tv/troy-davis-protesters-call-for-execution-of-george-bush/

Are those crickets I hear?

So? The cop was in a union.

Many are not; hence the demise of Tiller the Baby Killer.

*NASCENT HUMAN BEINGS*

You mean, the state of Texas, don’t you?

You have no idea if he was innocent or not. You just “feel” he was innocent. The courts said otherwise. Bottom line is if a larger number of blacks commit crimes then a larger number of blacks will be sentenced.

Like a person being an inconvenience…

If only the perpetually angry left had as much disdain for the murder of innocents in Pakistan, Libya, Yemen and Somalia by the drone-happy Obama administration.  Instead they defend a cop killer.

Uh, no. Fact.

http://www.hhscenter.org/bonbstat.html

They should all be in jail for a good long time. Perhaps they might have been if they weren’t New York union workers.

Barack Obama!

And I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention Anthony Weiner.

You want people to die because they have a different opinion than you? What a fine Christian you are!

sez the loser that applauded the death of a white man

Yeah I didn’t know a fetus wasn’t a member of the human species. Ever looked at a biology textbook?

Romans had executions too. Crucifixion, IIRC.

HuffPo.

so…anything?

Mmmm…no. Probable does not equal inevitable. And as our technology improves, probability declines. It’s becoming harder and harder to get the DP without DNA as juries have grown to expect it. Casey Anthony just got off, no?

looks to me like 15% of a population group commits 48.4 % of death penalty crimes! But the race card is always on top of the deck, ready to be played !

You condone Murder?

looks to me like 15% of a population group commits 48.4 % of death penalty crimes! But the race card is always on top of the deck, ready to be played !

DA Larry Chisolm (D-Savannah)

Why do people want to kill poor Dr. Kermit Gosnell, when all he was doing was helping poor women Choose!?

http://tinyurl.com/3kfmu2v

looks to me like 15% of a population group commits 48.4 % of death penalty crimes! But the race card is always on top of the deck, ready to be played !

Don’t worry. He’ll be trolling the restrooms in Austin’s public parks all week.

DA Larry Chisolm (D-Savannah)

DA Larry Chisolm (D-Savannah)

No, I’m a firm believer in Intelligent Design. Biology is unproven.

yea, sure makes it sound like he is guilty as charged. witness after witness fingered him.

>”Ruffin noted that there was a vast racial disparity in the state of Georgia where 48.4% of people on death row were black males, despite only making up 15% of the population”.

You notice how they NEVER use the flip-side of this racial coin: Why do so many black males commit crimes, percentage wise, ”despite only making up 15% of the population”? And why the percentage of those commiting the crimes goes way up when the victims are themselves black?

As Obama would say, its not class warfare, its math: If a higher percentage are doing the crime, then a higher percentage will do the time (including capital punishment).

Actually, if you continue a practice ad infinitum, the probable becomes the inevitable.  Considering that there is no plan to halt the death penalty, one can safely assume that the practice will continue at its current state for an undetermined amount of time.  Being that the length of time this practice will be continued is undetermined, one must logically assume that the execution of an innocent will inevitably happen again.

“There is no such thing as a political prisoner. Because all prisoners are political prisoners. Alll trials are political trials. Most people in jails are black. Most of them are young .This is what you see in jail. Question authority!- Abby Hoffman

More countries would have the DP if they govern by the will of their people.

Are you against war? Are you against dropping bombs on the enemy? Are you against making an enemy combatant die for HIS country, so that you wouldn’t have to die for yours?

Were you busy yesterday on the comment boards protesting the execution that took place in Texas?

I’m not against the death penalty.. I waver back and forth actually and a case like this is what makes me waver…..The home invasion case in Connecticut makes me feel somewhat ok that it’s in place though…. Then you have the police officer in Fullerton  who faces only 15 years max for his heinous crime which was caught on tape..The system is obviously flawed…. Since it is legal though I just want it administered only for the most heinous acts when there is absolutely ZERO doubt.. It also worries me that blacks and poor people are sent to death at a much higher percentage than people who are not when the crimes are similar.. Why is that do you think?

I was fresh out of the service
It was back in ‘82
I raised some Cain when I come back to town
I left to be all I could be
Come home without a clue
Now, I married Dawn and had to settle down
So I hired on at the prison
Guess I always knew I would
Just like my dad and both my uncles done
And I worked on every cell block
Now, things’re goin’ good
But then they transferred me to Ellis Unit One

Swing low
Swing low
Swing low and carry me home

Well, my daddy used to talk about them long nights at the walls
And how they used to strap ‘em in the chair
The kids down from the college and they’d bring their beer ‘n all
‘N when the lights went out, a cheer rose in the air

Well, folks just got too civilized
Sparky’s gatherin’ dust
‘Cause no one wants to touch a smokin’ gun
And since they got the injection
They don’t mind as much, I guess
They just put ‘em down at Ellis Unit One

Swing low
Swing low
Swing low and carry me home

Well, I’ve seen ‘em fight like lions, boys
I’ve seen ‘em go like lambs
And I’ve helped to drag ‘em when they could not stand
And I’ve heard their mamas cryin’ when they heard that big door slam
And I’ve seen the victim’s family holdin’ hands

Last night I dreamed that I woke up with straps across my chest
And something cold and black pullin’ through my lungs
‘N even Jesus couldn’t save me though I know he did his best
But he don’t live on Ellis Unit One

It was random was my point…At what point is a murder punishable by death.. who decides ?  A 10 minute beating and killing of a handicap man is worth 15 years behind bars but a cops life is worth death?  Why is his life worth more?    I’m not against the death penalty by the way..

I think we should have let the poor guy go free, after all he just killed a COP.  What’s the big deal?

“TMP”

Clearly white people need to step it up in the crime department to even out this disparity.

And this assertion is based off of what evidence?

I don’t know if the guy was innocent.  And if I don’t know, you assuredly don’t know.  But then, BushDrunk & Cheney are innocent too, eh??

Look, a black man is dead.
Can’t we all just be happy and move on?

That is a link to a page where you got your opinion from. That is not a fact.

“Wide stance ” ? lol

Often the only people who know what really happened are the accused and the
deceased

Why couldn’t it have been you? God must hate America.

No such thing as a humane method of putting a person to death. No matter what the state may claim. Every form of execution causes the prisoner suffering, Some methods perhaps cause less than others, but be in no doubt that being executed is a terrifying ordeal for the criminal who might be innocent.

Clearly white people need to step it up in the crime department to even out this disparity.

We would, but we don’t, just to make black people look bad.

No, that’s a page I found when I went looking for statistics that I am already well aware of. There are lots of sites out there that have them, but I picked that one because it’s the page of a black group that works to improve things in the black community. Had you bothered to read it before flapping your virtual gums, you’d have seen the stats and the sources for them. Dipshit.

Is that really funny to you?

So, you’re arguing that anything which is not impossible will eventually happen. Um, no.

“race-baiting rant”?…What about..”The 7 black jurors were just Uncle Toms.”? Got hypocrisy?   

Are most people in prison innocent? Are most victims of black committed crime also black?

Or at the least he’ll be selling Troy Davis t-shirts.

No, it wasn’t random at all. Davis and his buddy were pistol whipping a defenseless man when McPhail saw them and tried to intervene. Davis murdered him for his trouble.

As for the Fullerton case, you’d have to take that up with the DA who’s charging them. It seems they don’t see premeditated murder in the facts of the case, and we don’t know the full facts of the case either, as it has not yet been tried. As far as I’m concerned, cops should be treated more harshly when they violate their oath and cause harm to the citizens they’re supposed to protect. I also know that usually doesn’t happen and I have a big problem with that. That, however, has absolutely nothing to do with the Davis case. California is not Georgia.

Did Society or  economic class lead them there? Will they be legaly represented properly in court? As much as someone with wealth? 

Again my two postions. I am against capital punishment. Poor people are more prone to be found guity in any crime then some with the means to hire a proper lawyer.

Why ? Sharia law supports capital punnishment.I figured You and the fundamental christians would agree with them.. LOL

Nice false dichotomy. You’re still missing the point. If you consider the probability of an event within a single single occurence, then your point will get no argument from me. However, we are speaking of a continuous practice with no end in sight. So, given that there is no determined end point for the practice, it must be assumed to continue ad infinitum. If that’s the case, then logically anything probable becomes inevitable. That doesn’t mean it happens all of the time, it just means that it will happen.

This is just the nature of probability.

Well how about the Victim Syndrome Card, the This Is Hurting Me More Than Its Hurting You Card, Sorry, I Can’t Take Any Chances on You Being A Bogeyman Card or the very classic Lynch Mob Card.

Everyone should sleep tight, feel a whole lot better and safer since he’s gone and so is Brewer. Good results all round.

Waiting for this guy to play the race card. The transcripts taken during the trial were right there for all involved in the appellate process to see and in every situation during the process did anyone find that there was reasonable doubt. Since this case has received so much attention over the years, I believe law enforcement and the justice system in Georgia made sure they had their i’s dotted and t’s crossed. It’s interesting that the entire controversy is based on 7 witnesses changing their stories after the verdict had been rendered. It seems that they felt that they were so threatened by the authorities during their intial statements and testimony that they forgot that a man’s life is at stake. I don’t buy it al all. Maybe exucutions wouldn’t need to happen if there were mandatory sentences for killers like him for life without the possibility of parole. Otherwise, criminals are given life being eligible for parole in 15 years and being able to get out in 7 for good behavior. 

I don’t understand why it took almost 2 decades to execute the S.O.B.
He should be decomposed and a 15 year old memory.
I also can’t understand why the law doesn’t execute these animals like liberals kill little babies….
They should strap them down on their bellies and suck their brains out of the backs of their heads.
If it’s good enough for our kids…it’s surely good enough for our murderers.
 

The fact these nine witnesses testified under oath at trial holds far more water than a politically motivated recantation over twenty years later. He was convicted by a jury of his peers(black) and reaped what he had sowed.

just checking back… still nada? 

One thing for sure (and I pray we never see it happen), but if another
policeman is shot to death in Savannah Ga. in the future, Troy Davis will NOT
be involved in anyway !!!!!!

Um, three of those jurors were among those petitioning for his clemency, with one – Brenda Forrest – stating, “Had I known then what I know now, Troy Davis would not be on death row.  The verdict would be not guilty.”

No one is accusing those jurors of a lynching – they were lied to by witnesses who were coerced by police and have since recanted.  They were presented with a ballistics report that the GEORGIA BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONS (Georgia’s version of the FBI) has since utterly repudiated.

The blood of this man is on the hands of Georgia collectively, not the jurors who were lied to by the State of Georgia.

Only NINE of whom were eye-witnesses.  With SEVEN of those nine having recanted, citing police coercion.  

And one of the remaining two eye-witnesses not to recant?  No one other than the man who has spent the past 20 years confessing his guilt in this crime to no fewer than NINE PEOPLE – a man named Redd Coles, who also happened to be the first person to point the finger at Davis.And that ballistics report you cite?  It has been utterly repudiated by no less than the GEORGIA BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONS, Georgia’s version of the FBI.  For this reason, no fewer than three of the original jurors were among those petitioning for clemency on behalf of Davis, with one juror – Brenda Forrest – stating, “Had I known then what I know now, Troy Davis would not be on death row.  THE VERDICT WOULD BE NOT GUILTY.”If you truly support the death penalty, you should be more outraged by this than anyone.  Nothing could possibly undermine its legitimacy more than the unnecessary execution of an innocent man.  It is for this reason that THOUSANDS of death penalty supporters were among those hoping for clemency, including both former GOP Congressman Bob Barr and Reagan’s Director of the FBI William Sessions.

The Supreme Court does not determine guilt or innocence – it determines whether or not any major constitutional violations have occurred, generally procedurally.  Guilt or innocence, broadly speaking, is utterly irrelevant.

This should be no surprise, considering that Scalia has been more than vocal about his opinion that there is no constitutional right not to be wrongfully executed.

Except he didn’t.  A man named Redd Coles, who has confessed to no fewer than nine people over the past 20 years, and who was the first “witness” to accuse Davis, did.  And indeed, he remains free to this day.

So congrats on supporting the continued freedom of a cop-killer.

So the same people who are utterly incredible now were magically credible 20 years ago?  When they have ALL told the same story of police coercion?

What of the fact that the first “witness” to accuse Davis of the crime has spent the past 20 years confessing to no fewer than NINE separate people that he was the true killer? 

And the fact that the only physical evidence supposedly connecting Davis to the crime – a ballistics report – has been utterly repudiated by the Georgia Bureau of Investigations?

“IF I HAD KNOWN THEN WHAT I KNOW NOW, TROY DAVIS WOULD NOT BE ON DEATH ROW.  THE VERDICT WOULD BE NOT GUILTY.”  -Brenda Forrest, juror

“If I had known then what I know now, Troy Davis would not be on death row.  The verdict would be not guilty.”  [Brenda Forrest, juror in Davis trial]

The hearing that the that the Supreme Court ordered was an “innocence hearing”. Davis’ attorneys were allowed to call witnesses and introduce evidence. The judge, a life-long Democrat, was less than impressed.

Having lost in court, his attorney has elected to misrepresent the evidence to the American public.

Anyone can say anything. 20 years to plead your case is more than sufficient. It appears that he was convicted and the conviction was upheld by the SCOTUS.

He admitted to participating in the crime although he claimed that he didn’t pull the trigger. He lived 20 years longer than the Cop did.

“TMP”

Um, he didn’t confess to anything.  That’s among the things that those witnesses lied about, as the witnesses have acknowledged.

And YES, anyone CAN say anything.  So why on earth would be execute someone solely based on what people say?!?

Actually, the judge was ordered Davis to prove his innocence, a standard even higher than that placed upon the prosecution in the original trial, proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.  Absent DNA evidence exonerating Davis, NOTHING could have met that standard:

“Proving innocence is far more difficult than establishing doubts as to one’s guilt and flips our system of criminal jurisprudence on its head. Instead of the American system’s presumption of innocence and a requirement that the state prove guilt, Davis’ evidentiary hearing began with the court presuming guilt and required the condemned to prove his innocence.

Even though the judge in the evidentiary hearing denied Davis a new trial, he conceded the standard was ‘extraordinarily high.’

Davis was unable to meet this nearly insurmountable task. But while he fell short of ‘proving’ his innocence, he established doubts as to his guilt, prompting the judge to concede the state’s case against him was ‘not ironclad.’”

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-20/opinion/opinion_barr-davis-ruling-wrong_1_innocence-troy-anthony-davis-davis-clemency?_s=PM:OPINION

That piece, mind you, is written by a former GOP Congressman.

If you have a problem with what happened, I suggest that you take it to the SCOTUS.

Everyone is innocent in prison.

“TMP”

And then recanted, citing the exact same thing – police coercion.

Do you generally walk around confessing to multiple people to a crime you didn’t commit?  

Because that’s exactly what you apparently think Redd Coles – the first “witness” to point the finger at Davis – has done for the past 20 years, confessing to no fewer than NINE separate people that he was the real killer.

The wittnesses said that the confessions were coerced. If their testimony is good enough to send a man to his death then surely it’s good enough to implicate the police officers in a conspiracy, non?

This may be a turning point in American people’s perception of the death penalty. As the most powerful nation in the free world  we have a problem with sharing this medieval ritual with the likes of Iran, Zimbabwe and North Korea. In the future the state will not be in the business of killing people, criminal or not.

“Pablo liked this”

You have obviously not read the transcript that I linked to above. You have merely repeated the misrepresentations that Davis’s attorneys have made. Most of the “recantations” were not “recantations” at all.

The method that Davis’ attorney used in some of the cases was to take a new statement from some of the witnesses, 20 years after the fact and then compare it to the original statement given at the time of the murder. If there were minor differences, the attorney would highlight those differences, even if they did not contradict the original statement on a material fact,  and then call that new statement a “recantation”.  This despite the fact that the witnesses, if asked, would have stated that their original statement, given so soon after the original incident, would be the more accurate.

You are also incorrect when you state that the “nine” witnesses are the only eye-witnesses. Most of the nine were NOT eye-witnesses. Most of the eye-witnesses  stand by their original testimony.

Incidently, Davis’s attorney chose to introduce much of his case through affidavit, rather than testimony, even though the witnesses were available to be called. Judge Moore, who conducted the hearing, and who is a life-long Democrat and was appointed by Bill Clinton, noted that tactic during the hearing and noted that by so doing, Davis’ attorneys were preventing the State from being able to cross-examine these witnesses. Judge Moore warned Davis’ attorney that it was well-settled law that under such circumstances, the court would put less weight on those witnesses’ testimony. Davis’ attorney acknowledged this and advised that he was “OK with that”.

As Judge Moore noted in his opinion, there is only one logical conclusion to draw from the tactic of using affidavits instead of in-court testimony when a witness is present and available and that was a knowledge by Davis’ attorney that the witnesses would not stand up very well on cross-examination.

The GBI ballsitics report has not been repudiated. This is more obfuscation by Davis’ attorney.

If you really care about the facts in this case, I urge you to read the transcript of the evidentiary hearing..

Good God, can you read, SoThere?

No fewer than THREE of those jurors were among those petitioning for clemency.  According to one juror, Brenda Forrest, “Had I know then what I know now, Troy Davis would not be on death row.  THE VERDICT WOULD BE NOT GUILTY.”

Believe me, I wish I could take it to the SCOTUS.  But just so you understand what we are dealing with here, Antonin Scalia has been quite open about the fact that he thinks that there is NO constitutional right not to be wrongfully executed.  Many on the SCOTUS could care less about guilt or innocence – that is utterly beside the point to them.

You do realise that death juice isn’t electric, right? Having someone sitting in his lap would just have been weird.

Doesn’t matter, if you shoot a cop.

America and Saudi Arabia should just get married and be done with it

The Connecticut case still makes me scared to go to the store at night.  I had nightmares about that one a lot. 

I believe Davis was guilty.  There were 34 witnesses that came forward and some personally knew him so it wasn’t mistaken identity.  Plus, his own defense refused to let 2 of the people who “recanted” testify because they didn’t believe they could hold up under cross.

Bull. There were 34 witnesses, including some who personally knew Davis.  There were also 3 of our fine military men who got a good look.  You want to believe they were “coerced” because you libs love your cop killers.

I agree.
In fact, sometimes when a case is really obvious, you don’t even need a trial.
Or maybe you need a trial, but just in front of judge in chambers.
Even if there’s no direct evidence, sometimes it’s totally obvious that a guy is guilty. Putting him to death almost immediately would save time and taxpayer’s money. 

What I’ve read are statements by the witnesses themselves.  Who have said that it was quite clear that they were not leaving the police station until they pointed the finger at Troy Davis.  

Even the homeless man who was being attacked has said as much, and that he didn’t even read the statement he was made to sign.

And yes, the ballistics report was repudiated.  

Beyond that, please explain to me how, absent DNA evidence, Davis possibly could prove his innocence, as he was ordered to do.  As REPUBLICAN Congressman Bob Barr explained:

“Proving innocence is far more difficult than establishing doubts as to one’s guilt and flips our system of criminal jurisprudence on its head. Instead of the American system’s presumption of innocence and a requirement that the state prove guilt, Davis’ evidentiary hearing began with the court presuming guilt and required the condemned to prove his innocence.

Even though the judge in the evidentiary hearing denied Davis a new trial, he conceded the standard was ‘extraordinarily high.’Davis was unable to meet this nearly insurmountable task.

But while he fell short of ‘proving’ his innocence, he established doubts as to his guilt, prompting the judge to concede the state’s case against him was ‘not ironclad.’”

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-20/opinion/opinion_barr-davis-ruling-wrong_1_innocence-troy-anthony-davis-davis-clemency?_s=PM:OPINION

Most of what you have asserted here was totally refuted in the transcript of Davis’ hearing.

No a guilty man was executed last night.

Lilly, you are deluding yourself.  Among the witnesses who did not recant a word of their testimony against
Davis were three members of the Air Force, who saw the shooting from
their van in the Burger King drive-in lane. The airman who saw events
clearly enough to positively identify Davis as the shooter explained on
cross-examination, “You don’t forget someone that stands over and shoots
someone.”

Three recantations were from friends of Davis, making minor or
completely unbelievable modifications to their trial testimony. For
example, one said he was no longer sure he saw Davis shoot the cop, even though he was five feet away at the time. His remaining testimony still implicated Davis.

One alleged recantation, from the vagrant’s girlfriend (since
deceased), wasn’t a recantation at all, but rather reiterated all
relevant parts of her trial testimony, which included a direct
identification of Davis as the shooter.

Only two of the seven alleged “recantations” (out of 34
witnesses) actually recanted anything of value — and those two
affidavits were discounted by the court because Davis refused to allow
the affiants to testify at the post-trial evidentiary hearing, even
though one was seated right outside the courtroom, waiting to appear.

The court specifically warned Davis that his refusal to call
his only two genuinely recanting witnesses would make their affidavits
worthless. But Davis still refused to call them — suggesting, as the
court said, that their lawyer-drafted affidavits would not have held up
under cross-examination.

Justice was served last night.

Either through ignorance or prevarication, you have misrepresented the standard that Davis had to meet in order to overturn his conviction. Davis’ burden was not to “PROVE his innocence”..it was to prove that a rational juror could not have found beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty. This is the same standard imposed during  his trial.

At the end of the Prosecution’s case-in chief, the defense requests a direct verdict of acquittal. The defenses burden in such a motion? That no rational juror could find beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty.

That is a high standard..as it should be when you are contemplating overturning a jury verdict many years after the fact. You have also left out an important point raised by Judge Moore..I quote from his footnote on this subject:

                         “The Court further notes that whether it adopted the lower
                        burden proposed by Mr. Davis, or even the lowest imaginable
                        burden from Schlup, Mr. Davis’s showing would have satisfied
                        neither.”

So..no matter how low a standard that you would care to apply to Davis’ case, he failed to meet it.

You have also sought to misrepresent the results of Davis’ hearing.  You make much of judge Moore’s statement that the case against Davis was not “iron clad”. You should include his whole statement on this issue…

                          ” After careful consideration and an in-depth review of twenty
                          years of evidence, the Court is left with the firm conviction
                          that while the State’s case may not be ironclad, most reasonable
                          jurors would again vote to convict Mr. Davis of Officer
                          MacPhail’s murder.”

A firm conviction that most reasonable juror’s would still convict….

http://www.gasd.uscourts.gov/p...

That opinion, mind you, is written by a life-long Democrat and Federal Judge that actually is familiar with the facts.

Now sothere, he didn’t have 20 years to prove it, did he?  Just over ONE YEAR AGO, seven of the nine witness recanted their evidence, admitted they were illiterate at the time and so couldn’t read the police statements they signed, three admitted they had falsely testified and others said they were threatened by the police into testifying. The only witness that hasn’t changed his story is now emerging as the main culprit, after nine people very recently swore affidavits about evidence implicating him.

So, please get things straight and stop spreading falsehoods. Facts are stubborn things, aren’t they?

More obfuscation, lilly…are you somehow related to Davis?

More obfuscation, lilly…are you somehow related to Davis?

In order to complain about the “killing” of an innocent man (Davis) - please get in the line marked “Killing of an Innocent Man Complain Department” – right behind the family of Mark MacPhail.  He was innocently murdered a long time ago…so just get in line.

Well, that guy won’t be killing any more that’s for sure.

It’s very important to you and your kind that this man was executed, I get that. You pretend you stand for justice and equality under the law when it’s a potentially innocent black man but care almost nothing for government or Wall St laying waste to other countries or the housing market or the global economy, I get that too. But I’m just curious as to whether you are smart enough to understand your own almost unfathomable hypocrisy? Do you realise how evil you are or are you just a pathetic unwitting humorless pawn?

LILLY,

I hear you are going to become a “Wing Walker” and perform at all the Big Air shows?  LOLAnyway,  I was just curious if you feel any different about Stella Nickell’s conviction, (1987) now that some time has passed?  Stella Nickell, of Seattle Washington, was convicted of poisoning a woman, Sue Snow, whom Nickell did not know.  Also, Stella Nickell, further murdered her husband Bruce, all through “product tampering.  (Note: Also caused multi-millions of dollars in lost revenue, for Tylenol)Apparently, Nickell’s Daughter, whose testimony was instrumental at trial, has indicated she now has second thoughts and would recant her story?  Funny how that works, isn’t it?  A strange sort of “buyers remorse,” after one testifies in serious case or against family…  Ouch!All things considered, I have to wonder if an innocent man, or woman has ever been put to death in the past 100 years?  Maybe the death penalty should only apply to cases that have substantive, physical evidence to support testimony, for instance: DNA, or the proverbial smoking gun?  Ergo a conviction based on circumstantial evidence could only carry a maximum, life sentence?I am NOT opposed to the Death Penalty, but, I am opposed to executing or punishing the wrong Man!  In the case of Troy Davis, I had hoped the state would have commuted his sentence to life.  The way it stands, if exculpatory evidence is now found and Davis should NOT have executed, well, such an event would give the “Death Penalty” a bad name, wouldn’t it?…Purveyor of Rhetoric

Unfortunately, Judge Moore found these “recantations” not credible and concluded that Jeffery Sapp one of the witnesses who had twice testified that Davis confessed to the murder, gave other provably false exculpatory testimony on Davis’ behalf during Davis’ innocence hearing.

Interestingly enough, Judge Moore also referred to credible evidence that Davis’ mother had threatened Sapp if he testified at Davis’s original trial.

One can only imagine what pressure these witnesses have been subjected to over the last 20 years by the Davis camp.

Tell me, lilly, have you even read the transcript??

Take your ignorance somewhere else. I’m not interested in your stupidity. It’s not my fault that you can’t understand how many appeals and reviews he’s had over the years.

Stay stupid, it keeps you in your comfort zone.

“TMP”

I am afraid I am confused.  I thought the Socialist-Left was enamored with portions of the Islamic “freedom fighters thesis,” hence, find a certain kinship with a culture that would destroy the “Zionists?”

After all, Israel does exhibit capitalistic, egalitarian government and culture, much like America?  Hence, your comment just doesn’t fit into the puzzle… I am so confused by the leftist nonsense?

I do know one thing, however…  What Lenin meant by “useful idiots!”  LOL

Purveyor

Yawn

I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Also anyone who types “lol” is a lamewad of the highest order

TOM BENNETT,

It occurs to me that Europe may be about to have an epiphany, or two, of their own?  Particularly when when Uncle Sam has his own problems to deal with…

Abortion, the death penalty, prayer in school are not going to seem so important to Americans.  Hence, Muslims complaining about not having enough room to pray, or cartoons of Muhammed, just won’t have the “cachet” it once had.  What do you think?

Purveyor

Ahh, perhaps you were alluding to Saudi Arabia and America both having the death penalty, as punishment options?

If that is the case, my aforementioned confusion still stands.  Ergo, The Socialist left admires various aspects of Islam.  Therefore, such must be difficult for you to reconcile a deeply held emotional value that conflicts with a more reasonable and rational one?

Purveyor  HLO  (Haughty laugh out loud)

I have to admit, I’m confused by the first 50% of that.  As I was only 3 in 1987, I am not at all familiar with the details of that case.

The second 50%, however, I couldn’t agree with more.  It truly amazes me that anyone who supports the death penalty could possibly support this execution – nothing could possibly undermine its legitimacy more.  That being said, I do not support the death penalty – I think that in any civilized nation, we must be better than that which we hate.  

But I think that issue is entirely separate from the one here – the execution of a likely innocent man.  My disgust at this case is very much separate from my opposition to the death penalty in general.  There are degrees of evil, and executing an innocent man is obviously on an entirely different plane than executions of those who are guilty of heinous crimes.

Which hearing?  The one where the judge concluded that the prosecution’s case was less than iron-clad?

Not even remotely.  I do not know him, nor do I know anyone who does.

But the Innocence Project is what first sparked my interest in the law, and is why I became an attorney. I have always had too many “feelings” for my own good, and have frequently broken down in tears over injustices that have nothing to do with my own life.

I can assure you, as someone who worked at my city’s prosecutor’s office, CalFed, that the “pressure” these witnesses faced by Davis’ elderly mother was NOTHING compared to what they faced by the colleagues of a murdered cop, who had already decided who was going to pay for this crime.

To be honest, my eyes are too swollen from crying to carefully read anything right now.  But when strident death penalty supporters like Ronald Reagan’s FBI Director find fault with the case, I will tend to err on the side of his expertise, as opposed to yours.

Once again, Judge Moore was ordered to hold Davis’ legal team to an utterly impossible standard, one far higher than the prosecution’s standard of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.  It is simply not possible to PROVE innocence absent exculpatory DNA evidence.  

As I have stated…

Judge Moore, a life-long Democrat who was appointed by Jimmy Carter to be the United States Attorney of the District of Georgia and President Clinton to be a Federal Judge directlyaddressed the issue as to the burden that Davis had to meet in footnote 107 of his opinion..

 
“The Court further notes that whether it adopted the lower
burden proposed by Mr. Davis, or even the lowest imaginable
burden from Schlup, Mr. Davis’s showing would have satisfied
neither.”

So..no matter how low a burden that you care to impose on Davis, even one lower than he himself had proposed, he failed to meet it. Capiche?

And as I have posted elsewhere, Davis did not have to prove his innocence..he had to prove that a rational juror could not have found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That is a very different thing.

lilly, you seem to have a tenuous grasp of the facts in this matter. There was almost no ballistic evidence introduced against Davis in the murder of Officer McPhail. The ballistics evidence was used in a separated incident..an earlier shooting on Cloverdale St.

Again, Judge Moore’s opinion is relevant:

“First, the munitions evidence only showed that the shootings (the McPhail and Cloverdale) were linked; it remained for the State to prove Mr.Davis’s guilt as to one shooting before this evidence became relevant. Importantly, the shooting the State proved independent of the munitions was the MacPhail murder. Accordingly, disproving the munitions evidence is not relevant to Mr. Davis’s guilt of the MacPhail murder, even if it is cogent to the Cloverdale shooting”

..Independent of the munitions…

Judge Moore continues..

“Second, it is not clear that the GBI report variesfrom the trial testimony. At trial, the testimony indicated a possibility that the bullets matched, a possibility that is also reflected in the GBI report.”

As you can see, the Judge was not convinced that there was a variation between the original trial testimony and the new GBI report. So, it is vastly overstating the case to say that the ballsitics report was “repudiated”

Tell you what–why don’t you explain how the new ballistic report contradicts the testimony in the McPhail case and how that is relevant to the McPhail case. Judge Moore did not believe that it was.

Most reasonable jurors, except for the THREE original jurors who petitioned for clemency? 

And good God, are you stupid?  To conclude that NO RATIONAL JUROR could find something beyond a reasonable doubt is a FAR HIGHER standard than proof beyond a reasonable doubt.  

He had to prove that not a single person on this planet could objectively find him guilty.  In other words, he had to PROVE HIS INNOCENCE.

I understand these things might be hard to understand for someone not trained in the law, CalFed, but please try to stick with whatever your area of expertise happens to be.  

I don’t know anything about this case.  I don’t know the details of the evidence that was presented at trial, or how the jury reached its verdict.  I don’t know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this man was guilty or that he deserved to die.  I have some faith in the ability of juries to find the truth, but I still want to see the evidence myself before making any pronouncements of my own.

What I do know is that this case has become a political football.  People are lining up to fight about it to score political points, and that is a sad thing indeed.

First let apologize for teasing you over the past few months.  Many people make bold assertions in the anonymity of cyberspace.  I was just testing you.  I too, have a legal education, but I do not practice, rather, I am a philosopher and writer. My long time project is something I am sure you came across in pre-law or in Law School, “neutral principle.”  I find the such workable, Judge Bork doesn’t!  LOL  Anyway, I am expounding on the subject.  (also, “economic treason”)

As you say, you have never heard of the “Nickell cases”, wow, Google it!  There are books written on the case which was solved by finding microscopic traces of “fish tank algae remover” on a pharmacists mortar and pestle.

My compliments on your success.  

The one where the judge concluded “most reasonable
jurors would again vote to convict Mr. Davis of Officer
MacPhail’s murder”

And perhaps injustices that never even occurred?

Dollar to a donut(for the cop) he gets off.  He’ll just claim self defence or that it was accidental but nine times out of ten they get off.

Wrong again lamewad. And signing ‘Purveyor’ after every post is even lamer than typing ‘lol’.

Three of the original jurors were among those petitioning for clemency.

And I quote:  ”If I knew then what I know now, Troy Davis would not be on death row.  The verdict would be not guilty.”

Jurors are not infallible, especially when they are being lied to.  Coming from someone who has worked in the criminal justice system (on the prosecution side, no less), I can assure you that you have an unhealthy amount of confidence in it.

LOL..lilly if you have been “trained in the law” nothing you have posted so far exhibits said training. If you paid for the training, you should seek a refund.

I have no idea if he was guilty or not. but after reading about this for the last few day, I would have erred on the side where if any mistakes were made you could correct them. Crap he could of be killed next year.

Ok.  So the one where, according to your own description of it, the burden on the defense was to prove that not a single reasonable person on the planet could possibly make a finding of guilt.  Thanks for clearing that up.

I love it.  You can’t rebut or argue what I just explained to you, so you rely on personal insults instead.

I love it.  You can’t rebut or argue what I just explained to you, so you rely on personal insults instead.

Lilly, A murdered faced justice last night.  Let it go.

So did I. ;)

Texan

And good God, are you stupid?

Oh really? the fact that the legal system is racist and gives white men less sentences than Black men has nothing to do with anything? Look at all the “black” criminals here – http://whitewatch.info/

Yes, race card like these stories here: http://whitewatch.info/

http://whitewatch.info/

Killing of unborn babies? If you don’t like abortions, don’t get one. Another fucked up, controlling white American man who thinks he should have control over the world. Get over your stupid supremacist bullcrap.

Out of context, cakes.

“three of those jurors were among those petitioning for his clemency”

What color were they?

Uh, they already waited 20 yrs.

lilly, I know how much it must torture you that the law operates on a “reasonable man” basis. It makes it so much harder for you to sell your unreasonable arguments.

lilly, I know how much it must torture you that the law operates on a “reasonable man” basis. It makes it so much harder for you to sell your unreasonable arguments.

You make a fine point!  A point which often gets left behind in the miasma of legal machinations.

Purveyor

it’s just that the former FBI director, former congrssman Bob Barr and the GBI was against it at this time.

lilly, I know how much it tortures you that the law operates on a “reasonable man” basis. It makes it so much harder for you to sell your unreasonable arguments.

This isn’t about our direct relations to Europe or the middle east. This is about mind-bogglingly antiquated ideas of vengeance and morality. I’m going to start signing my posts with this pompous moniker:

Blind Justice

Good, 1 down 12m to go. Baldwin never had to live around these savages, always watching out not to be in the wrong place. Not until u have them destroying ur neighborhood will u understand their destructive violent nature. Go live a couple of years with these savages and then tell me how good u feel about it. A lot of whites are in this slavery rehab mentality that these savages use against them. They can casually go into any neighborhood and feel safe, try going into their neighborhood, how long before u get beaten?? Fact , not lies…white boys hide ur iphones, cuz theyll kill u for it.

Apparently, you have difficulty with philosophy and connecting the proverbial “dots.”

Anyway, Quote: “our relations to the middle east. This is about mind-bogglingly antiquated ideas of vengeance and morality.”  To coin a phrase, you have created an “anti-oxymoron?”  Ouch!

Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity and Islam is going through developmental convulsions, just as Christianity did.  The difference being, The Western World must live next door to some rather obstreperous, even vulgar neighbors.

Finally:  IF, I truly need to explain the nuances of my Post, regarding Europe’s coincidental problems with ours, then I simply decline to indulge you.

Purveyor of Rhetoric

I eagerly await the demands from the cretin gallery for this knucklehead to be banned

Well duh

Lilly, you continue to argue that the reasonable doubt standard is the same as actual innocence. For someone who claims (rather unconvincingly) to have been trained in the law, your difficulty with these these two different concepts is hard to fathom.                        

I do find your whining about my “personal insult” to be funny, considering your last post to me. As for whether I have or haven’t rebutted your arguments, I’ll leave that for others to decide.

lilly, I know how much it must torture you that the law operates on a
“reasonable man” basis. It makes it so much harder for you to sell your
unreasonable arguments.

You can’t blankedly apply a one-size-fits-all here. Capital Punishment is a state-by-state administration. They don’t apply it by measuring whose life is worth more, rather by the societal norms of a particular state.

What also comes into play is the criminal history of the perp. My understanding is that Davis was involved in a prior shooting (and convicted) and gun casings from the cop killing matched those in the shooting for which he was previously convicted. Damning evidence to me.

Are they “savages,” because of genetics, or, their neighborhood created them?  Ergo, if the the beast, is a beast, such should be feared?

Conversely, is white man doomed to an existence of fear and “self loathing?”  (By way of genetics or his neighborhood?)

Purveyor

…with tears in my eyes, yes, I can pull the switch myself… and yes, I am better than you are, Mr. Murderer…. that was my brother you killed, you son-of-a-beech!

– Song by Felix

Well hopefully dear white brother you will go and fight for THE NORFOLK FOUR who are in a very similar situation.. ANY injustice in this country reflects on us all and UNLESS you enjoy looking and behaving like countries we as Americans tend to dislike, it would be nice if you can learn to think in another manner because considering how “few” savages there are, and how often they are swept into the corners of our cities and counties, I find it amazing that you would bump into any of them.. Then again, maybe you were looking to score some drugs.. since we know thats where you find them.

Michelle – Norfolk Four would be a nice helping of reality for you. There is a small but honest percentage of “murderers” who have been on the bad side of justice. I offer you Norfolk Four because the case is 180 degrees away from the “offing” of a goofy-stupid black dude.
IF you read about -or watch anything- the Norfolk Four and still feel that way. oh well, I tried.

Norfolk Four
A case among MANY that doesnt get the light it deserves primarily because its a case about 4 white guys wrongfully accused. Read/watch anything about that case and you’ll see that ANY miscarriage of justice is bad for America and our attempt to remain THE GLOBAL POLICE, because if we are killing/jailing innocent people then we are EXACTLY what we claim to hate. HELLO united states of China, Iraq, Iran, etc..

*tumbleweed*

Lynched?  Really?  They HANGED HIM?

NOT EVEN THE SCOTUS thought there was ANY REASON that Georgia should NOT exectute him!

What a LAME excuse for a LOUSY LAWYER (OR an incredibly GUILTY convict)!

Nearly all the two dozen witnesses that watched Davis murder that off-duty cop were black, and half of them knew Davis personally so there was no doubt that they identified the correct person as the killer.

So the race-baiting lawyers did not have a case to stand on. 

There may be innocent people who have been convicted of capital crimes, but Troy Davis was not one of them.

Thank you. I don’t like you either.

I don’t recall saying or alluding to a dislike of you?  Only that we had reached a point in our conversation whereby you must think for yourself. 

Unfortunately, you took offense to my reply from some 8 hours ago?  I thought your Post pertaining to “a turning point” was interesting, especially when you mentioned Zimbabwe and North Korea.  Hence, I connected more “international dots,” so to speak, to the dialogue…

I thought we had the making of a fine discussion?

Purveyor

We’re supposed to believe in what a liar…..ahhhhh…lawyer has to say about his client?

“It suggests that a good deal of the witnesses’ hedging on what they’d seen the night of the murder was not new – that jurors had heard it at trial. 

Protesters have made much of the notion that several key witnesses in Davis’ 1991 trial recanted or significantly altered their statements, and that much of that has not been allowed into the record. But a review of the trial transcript supports what prosecutors have long held: That several of the these “new” statements largely rehash doubts and second thoughts the witnesses had already voiced in front of the trial jury 20 years ago…If this case has proven anything, Mears says, it’s that the courts are ill-equipped to handle such recanted testimony. It has also shown the power of too many people with too little firsthand knowledge weighing in on matters of this gravity.

“What’s happened in this case is it has moved out of the courtroom and into the arena of public opinion, and I think that’s always a dangerous arena to try a criminal case, one way or another.”

http://www.wmctv.com/story/15519377/troy-davis-how-did-we-get-here

The conviction, with all the appeals, has held for 22 years. And witnesses made their statements within one to two hours of the murder. 

http://www.skepticaljuror.com/2011/09/yellow-and-white-case-of-troy-anthony_16.html

“Insults are all liberals have”. You are a liberal now? Glad you’ve finally seen the light!

You tout your intellect using a word like “innocents”? I think that shows us all what we are dealing with here…

OBTW, the other countries that regularly use the death penalty: China, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Palestine, Somalia and Sudan. Aren’t those the countries whose political ideologies you so vehemently oppose, whose principles and practises are utterly repugnant and represent a threat to the American way of life? Next time you think about capital punishment, think about the company that the US keeps when it comes to killing its own citizens.

Enjoy your day…

“And who are you to say for sure?”

At least you read the story/song (Billy Austin) and got the point. I will give you that.

Saying your”a strong supporter of abortion” is kinda like me saying your a strong supportor of war. Both make no sense.

I’m not responsible for Capital punishment in this country.

Nice dodge from the facts. Is this what Media Matters is telling you to say? List countries with the death Penalty to deflect from the facts.

You’re an idiot.Stay stupid. LMAO Ha Ha Ha Ha ha

“TMP”

Um, the only law that generally operates on any such basis is civil law.  I really have no idea where or how you think you became a legal expert.

You really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, do you?

The reasonable doubt standard is what applies in a criminal trial – that is NOT what was applied in Davis’ “innocence” hearing.  At THAT hearing, there was another layer of standard applied, that of “no reasonable juror,” something THAT PLAYS NO PART IN CRIMINAL TRIALS – partly because there are actual jurors, not hypothetical ones.

Good God, just shut up when you are in over your head, ok?

If they’d had the death penalty in the UK a lot of innocent Irish people would now be rotting in their graves and everyone in the UK believed that they were guilty at the time too. The need to find a culprit- any culprit – in the aftermath of heinous crimes can very often lead to hysteria and flawed judgement – eg 9/11 etc

Which fact was that – your claimed “fact” of intelligence? Which you then followed breathlessly by using the word “innocents” (and there you were a little while back asking me if I knew what a dictionary was…) I’m not really one for being a grammar cop, but I’m still laughing about that one!

Or was it the facts I posted about new developments and evidence in the case which emerged just over a year ago, based on which new hearings were scheduled and the original decision widely considered as unsafe? Yep, those same facts that rebutted your assinine statement that everything was dealt with 20 years ago therefore he’d had a good 20 years to prove his innocence, which is so clearly nonsensical, flies in the face of basic logic and is designed to fit some sort of delusional narrative of yours.

Try and post something original for once, instead of copying and pasting the same insult-hurling mess from one of your posts into another. BTW, about time for the “march in lock-step” line to be trotted out isn’t it? You haven’t used that one for a day or two.

It’s hard for me to stop laughing at your feeble attempt to intimidate me.

The fact that he had his first execution date was delayed in 2008 by the Supreme court giving him an additional 2 plus years to make his case. He failed to convince the State of his new evidence. He used the same argument that he used in his first appeals hearing.

You’re so ignorant it’s pathetic.

The fact that he had a half dozen appeals and hearings over the past 20 years right up to 2008 and an unheard of 2 hearings before the Supreme court.

Lets see, there was the Georgia Supreme Court, US Supreme court, habeas corpus proceedings,(State Supreme court and US Supreme Court)11th Circuit Court of Appeals ,Chatham County Superior Court.

Ha Ha Ha Ha you’re incapable of independent thought or research.

What’s wrong, don’t you like the fact that someone see’s you “Marching in Lockstep” with your fellow Leftists?
Does that strike a nerve with the little man?

Stay stupid. You’re good at it.Ha Ha Ha Ha.

“TMP”

You can’t be serious..

Criminal law is rife with the concept of “reasonable” and “reasonableness” .

Reasonable suspicion…Reasonable expectation of privacy…Reasonable doubt….

Dude, the guy keeps kicking your ass. It appears that he knows what he’s talking about and you are just here to insult him.

It stopped being a reasonable doubt argument when he was convicted.  After that it became a Constitutional  and appeals thing.

Jurors remorse is a well known affliction in Death Penalty Cases.  

I read somewhere that you are taking legal courses or something. You do know that a Juror can’t change their mind 20 years after the trial is over.  You also should know that once a person is convicted it becomes an appeals process.

I think Davis was probably guilty – the process is flawed, but not as flawed as so many here believe.  BUT probably guilty is not enough to execute!

I am staunchly anti death penalty and have been for thirty years.  Of course many or most death penalty supporters come from the Right.  What I cannot understand is, how do you right wingers justify giving the State enough power to kill anybody?  Don’t you know that this is a recipe for disaster?  Why do you think Germany eliminated capital punishment in 1948? 

You guys are a bunch of fools.