Please retire this stupid, craven, farcical, hysterical meme once and for all.

The lament of Christmas lost began decades ago, perhaps as early as the seventies.  When the word Christmas was abbreviated to X-mas people across America feared the holiday was dead.  But alas, black Friday has already come and gone and the true spirit of Christmas, crass commercialism is once again upon us.  We will all now know the true spirit of Christmas for months to come or at least until the credit card companies are repaid.

Why do the regressives hate Christmas?

Gosh Bill what an amazing story…….Yawn….zzz….zzz…ZZZ….

At the Gloves Donahue home they celebrate Christmas by burning their tree then enjoying some
Pabst around the the old trailer park oil barrel fire.

Keep milking it Bill. 

 Really? 15 years now. Maybe you should change it to Capitalism’s War on Christmas. The secular progressives didn’t really need to do anything to help out…

Yeah really. Blame the rampant consumerism for taking the emphasis away from the baby Jesus.

I live in Ohio and our Statehouse annually decorates during the Winter season. They have a ~15 ft tall tree in the front lawn – fully decorated with huge ornaments and a star on top. But guess what they call this display….? They call it a HOLIDAY TREE! 

Religion has become so taboo in the public square that PC people think that ignoring the obvious will somehow make us all more tolerant. Its the dumbest concept. Calling a Christmas tree a Christmas tree makes sense … it’s just that Atheists and liberals think that by calling it for what it is somehow infringes on other people’s religious freedom. 

At least he doesn’t celebrate alone, sitting in front of his computer in his pajamas eating stale pop-tarts while petting his cat like you do. That must be such a sad Holiday for you. 

Arbor Day, lol. Good one by Bill!

“you’re hysteriacal”

And the teabaggers wonder why women are leaving in droves…

The stores don’t force people to buy anything. Mass consumerism is the fault of the consumers – not the corporations.

Secular progressives would like to forcibly legislate the removal of all symbols of religion from any public space

Rhode Island also had the same problem.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2011/12/02/providence_to_light_christmas_tree_amid_flap/

$100 says we find Mark commenting here on Dec. 25th.

Yup I see I hit a nerve with that one! LOL

Another little anecdote: My mom works for Children Services (foster care and youth mentoring) and her office threw a party for the abused and neglected children that unfortunately do not have a mom and dad present in their lives.

The office was decorated with wreaths, the boombox was blaring ‘Jingle Bells’ and ‘O holy Night’, one of her overweight coworkers dressed up as Santa, and they had a big Christmas tree with tons of presents under it. But guess what the party was called…. You guessed it, a “Holiday Party.” 

And another anecdote: Throughout December and January, Coca~Cola decorates their pop cans with a picture of Santa. But guess what Coke calls this promotion? They call it their ‘Holiday soda cans.’ 

Politically correct people think that just by ignoring religion and substituting ‘Holiday’ for ‘Christmas’, we are all somehow being more tolerant. 
We can recognize what is obviously Christmas (AKA the reason for the season) without bashing other religions. 

I have a hunch that it’s hard for you to see anything considering that your mind is one big jumbled mess. 

where are they going to the fleebaggers rapists camps

thats why they sent us Obama he dosen’t do anything to help out

kieth bath tub boy olbermann tryed to it didn’t work out

It’s called compromise.  Fight to keep it a religious symbol and watch go away completely.

i’m sure his mom decorates the basement for him

Republicans hate this country and the variety of people that inhabit it.  That’s why they’re so mad at Christmas time. They see Christmas as an opportunity to strike out against people whom they see as different than, and inferior to, themselves. For Republicans, Christmas is a celebration of hate.

A private retail establishment should be able to call the Xmas whatever they want to call it.  The state however, should not be spending on penny on any religious celebration.  The fact that government workers get a paid day off on Christmas to celebrate the birth of a god is pathetic.  Has the US decided that this is the one true god and the other 10,000 or more gods are not fit to celebrate?   It is funny how the same people who go apologetic about Sharia law taking over America see no problem with a national holiday to celebrate a god.

No, we know for certain you arrogant hypocrite haters will NEVER be more tolerant–you’re brought up that way, taught to automatically claim victimhood and fear everyone else different from you by your propaganda channel, and tricked into believing that actually makes your life more pleasant.  HOW PATHETIC.

I am an atheist and it even annoys me when they try and secularize Christmas. Celebrate it or not. I dont care. But shove that timid ”Holiday Tree” nonsense up your ass.

You seem pretty angry.

democrats hate this country and the variety of people that inhabit it because they can’t control them

We don’t.  We just don’t care for goverment support of any religion.  Everytime a religious symbol is removed from a goverment building or property the howling begins about the assult on religion.  If you want to believe in the supernatural, have at it, but do it on your own property and on your own dime.

Yes, they don’t belong on goverment property.  What part of the goverment should not support any religion are you missing?   

democrats hate this country and the variety of people that inhabit it. because they can’t control them

Bill is just pissed that he won’t get a luffa in his stocking this year, again.

double post sorry

what about the children

From this libtard to everyone,Merry Christmas everyone.

Billy Neckflap must be doing something right, ’cause Christmas hasn’t been cancelled yet!

Obviously, he’s looking out for me! Thanks paw paw!

BillO’s case is so air-tight that he has to invent examples of persecution.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200601130013

You’d think they could give the lying and demonization of non-Republicans a rest during the holidays. There’s nothing these people won’t stoop to, in order to have yet another political football.

why do conservatives hate it? they try to turn it into a partisan fight every year with their lies about this phony ‘war.’

and the non-stop hype by the corporate media over Black Friday and the latest shopping numbers has nothing to do with the change in focus.

says the party that loves secessionists like Perry and Palin.

it was funny that O’Reilly used to sell ‘holiday tree’ ornaments on his site, until someone caught him and called him on his hypocrisy.

maybe you should be looking to something a little bigger than a soda can to find the meaning of the holiday season.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech…”

Acknowledging a religious holiday that people are free to celebrate or not celebrate is not “supporting religion.”

And one could make an argument that preventing the celebration could be “prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

I’m an atheist, but I really can not stand evangelical atheists who feel that they have the right NOT to be offended.  Which is what all of this PC nonsense is about in the first place.

When atheists start with this crap they become way more evangelical than any christian I’ve ever met.

Proselytizing for a non belief is not only silly, it’s obnoxious.  

For 15 years, O’Reilly has been diminishing the national holiday by turning it into a divisive mess.

**YAWN** Bill you are so such a repetitive bore.

Everywhere you look there is Christmas.  Christmas lights, Christmas trees, Christmas cards, Christmas sweaters, Christmas greetings, Christmas cookies, Christmas spirit. If there is a war on Christmas, I think Christmas is winning. 

Josh b tweakin. Ain’t nobody done noticed. Got other ish t’ say.

Personally I think Merry Christmas Parties, Gifts, Jingle Bells, Christmas Trees and Santa Claus are all fine in schools and government street and building decorations.

I think Nativity Scenes, Silent Night, Holy Night and Jesus should be left out.

I know “Jesus Is The Reason For The Season” but that should be taught at home.

moRan .

We’re not getting a paid day off to celebrate or worship any god; we’re getting a paid day off to be with our families and eat and drink good things on a holiday.  You can’t take a tradition like that away, because people would throw a fit over losing a holiday, religious or not.  The vast majority of us would just take the day off anyway, and nothing would get done.  Religious or not, we’re all taking the day off and taking the chance to relax and celebrate the end of another year in good company.

I gave up on Christmas. I guess Bill has something here.

Leftists generally and accurately are angry about EVERYTHING. They are the most bitter, most vile, most hypocritical people around. They are shut-ins, preferring (a la former ENRON criminal Paul Krugman) to circulate among their own kind…which makes them bitter, vile, and hypocritical.

EVERYONE knows this to be true.

moRan .

Bingo.

Why isn’t Bill starting off every show with a prayer to baby Jesus?  Why isn’t there a cross on the Deko graphics.  Why doesn’t he end the show with, “May the Lord be with you” ?

Why, why, why???????

delete(wrong spot)

“And believe it or not, some in this town, have actually condoned the pitting of Americans against Americans.”

Every year, at the time when everyone should come together in peace and celebration, FOX News, yet again, is pitting Americans versus Americans.

True patriots, they are.

Your realy just an idiot. All you do is spew your version of hate, and then blame republicans, why don’t you crawl back under the fence to N Korea, I’m sure you’d be much happier there.

So what bob, change the channel, try going for a walk, most people don’t immerse themselves into this crap like we do.

What, people can’t celebrate the holidays and buy gifts for the people they care about, this should be applauded by the liberal progressives, “It’s redistribution of wealth”

So your a Bill O fan, I’m assuming you watched the episode, or are you just a loud mouth spouting off about a show you didn’t even watch. Which is it?

Bob, I wonder if the little kids in Rhode Island are curious why the big tree with lights is called a
” holiday tree “. The tree in their living room is called a Christmas Tree. If you agree with that then I’ll assume you’ll want to call Ramadan ” fasting month ” or Hanukah ” candle week.
The reason conservatives take up this fight is because we’re tired of being told we should be ashamed of our Christian heritage, if I’m not mistaken Christians are still a majority in the US.

Clovis, can you tell me where in the World, this secular utopia you desire exists and is the model you want us to follow? The separation talks of endorsement not celebration. The US is the model of freedom of religion, but you want us to be ashamed of our Christian heritage. Humbug to you.

Oh yeah, they ” couldn’t actually believe ” what they’re saying. It becomes political because only the progressive Lib democrats push this PC crap. ” Merry Christmas ” to you Bob

Clovis, Have a look at your ID if you have one, in the US we celebrate Christmas, you can celebrate whatever you want in utopia.

Good one, GRB, but this is a story not about liberals being angry but conservatives being angry about a made up story. In fact Bill brings out this story every year, out of his attic, with his christimas tree decorations, to get his folks in the holliday cheer.

Look, I agree with you that a Christmas tree should just be called a Christmas tree and that should end it. It’s an innocuous symbol and no matter what you call it, people can appreciate it for what it is. Furthermore, decorating evergreens goes back to the pagans, which makes it a more universal tradition.

That said, there are other far more explicitly religious symbols (like crosses and mangers) that are not appropriate on public property because they have the effect of endorsing a religion and its creation myth. I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to say say to churches that what you do in your house is great, but just don’t put it here. That’s not oppressive and it doesn’t in any way infringe on anyone’s freedom to practice their religion, contrary to the rhetoric.

As for private businesses — retailers, say — I don’t give a damn what they do. If they want to call it a Christmas sale, a Kwanzaa sale or a holiday sale, it makes no difference to me. They should be free to make that determination. But they shouldn’t be BULLIED into calling it a Christmas sale just because Bill-O is trying to score points with “the folks.” It’s created a sense of victimization among people who are anything but victims. And that’s what I find so deeply offensive about this entire “War on Christmas” scam.

You don’t sway anyone with your stupid comment.

Every year the same tune and the same controversy based on nothing else but his irrational rant. Zzzzz
 
Billo’s a bore!

Do it in your own home, do it in your own church or synagogue or temple. But don’t do it on public property, don’t expect a tax break for it and don’t cry about your victimhood when it’s pointed out to you that the constitution doesn’t protect your right to stick a light-up Baby Jesus in the publicly-funded gazebo.

Thanks. You’ve just made the case for why it’s ridiculous to post religious symbols in public places. Because then we have to accommodate everyone’s “faith.” Just enjoy your Sky Daddy in your own house in your own way and everyone else will do the same.

Sorry, no can do. We’re talking tradition here, going all the way back to the dinosaur times when the Pilgrims torched the first runaway slave, and BillOld is official Fire Marshall Bill in The War on Christmas, as well as being the repository of a sacred trust – Keeper of Baby Jeebus’ original falafel. 

So, boy & girls of all ages: it’s time to raise your traditional festive mugs of Hoo Hoo, to the Longest Running War on Fuppet Theater.

Why does PC peoples hate America?

Hey RG – how ’bout you go buy a tree carcass or better yet hunt down & kill your own tree for your own house, & leave government out of this entirely?

I’m not speaking for the millions of Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Zoroastrians & Dontgiveaflatfuckians on this issue, but from the pov of a member in good standing of single oldest belief system in nature – atheism** (card-carryin’, as a Herman Cain ad would put it.), I just as soon not one thin dime and no one sliver of public resource be dedicated to celebrating this paganized version of a culty myth.

**Remember Our Motto: Atheists – We haven’t been buying any of this Xmas crap from all the way before the very first religion went on sale.

Just SHUT UP with these b.s. made-up stories, with their heart-warming pink unicorns. You are such a poor liar.

I have now completely HAD IT with Mediaite!!

Look what the sicko’s did, using imaging software no doubt, at 3:33. Turn him into Satan. I have strong suspicions who exactly is/are behind this.

Mediaite has become as bad, or worse, VERY BAD, as msm.

Do not take care, and goodbye!!

A Media Matters Link !!

Well That Puts The Debate To Rest !!

Look at it from the pov of the tree: was it born a Xmax tree? No: it was born some sort of non-decidous pine or fir or needle tree. Did anyone ask it to undergo religious conversion training? Nope. Did anyone ask whether it liked being chopped down in babyhood as part of some pagan rite? Nope.

Just leave the freakin’ trees alone. They need to grow more, we need the oxygen, we certainly don’t need the additional fire hazards and garbage disposal, and it has sweet Fanny Adams to do with the legend and myth of Baby Jeebus and his *cough* virgin *cough* mom and those three Wise Guys who just happened to show up with child support.

Loofah !!

*drink*

There’s too many b.s. religidiotic holidays as it is. Let’s deregulate ‘em. We should take the Brit holiday of Guy Fawkes Day, but instead call it Rupert Fox Day, combine that with Halloween to get the zombies in, 4th July for the fireworks and Xmas for the traditional discount coupons for NRA-endorsed producte, and burn the Baby Jeebus in effigy while all staggering around calling for “Brains. More Brains.” and handing out the coupons.

“But Bill could not fight the good fight all alone, and consulted with
experts so that he could hone on the core of the problem of sorts in
Fort Worth and if they were insulting the day of Christ’s birth.”

I’m sure Jesus appreciates Bill taking this time out every year to use his birthday for political bloviating and name calling, along with the tactic of calling out “secular-progressives who want to end Christmas.”  Speaking of secular, does Bill realize that many of the Christmas customs and symbols are not Christian in origin?  Trees and wreaths?  The Romans and Jews did this to celebrate the winter solstice well before Christians came along.  The Christmas tree itself actually dates back to pagan tradition.  How about those presents?  Gift-giving was common in the Roman celebration of Saturnalia, an ancient festival which took place in December.  Christmas gift giving was banned by Catholics in the Middle Ages due to its suspected pagan origins. 

Bill can bloviate all he wants about “the War on Christmas,” but he knows as well as anyone Christmas isn’t going anywhere.  I started hearing Christmas music on Halloween this year, and at this rate, “Christmas in July” will just be the start of the holiday shopping season (last part was a joke).  This is just yet another Fox News tactic to piss off their loyal head-nodding audience and fan the flames of their own persecution complex. 

So what’s your complaint the few pennies of electricity, or are you just offended that people believe in something, I don’t get a tax break for anything ( the Dems just want taxes to go up ) and on victimhood, again the property of Democrats. Where in the constitution does it dis allow a manger on public property ? Please recite me the quote.

For your own safety and the safety of those around you, I would not order the tomato soup. 

How have I made that point? Your just in denial that this country was founded on Christian values that allow freedom of religion, if others want to celebrate their holidays ( time appropriate, not making it up to offend others ) I don’t have any problem with that, actually if Muslims want to erect a holiday celebration display during ramaddan great, maybe we can learn more about their honest beliefs rather than going down this ridiculous secular progressive road, try as you might you won’t stop peoples beliefs.

OVER 4 MILLION AMERICANS WATCH BILL OREILLY EVERY NIGHT AND ANOTHER MILLION MORE DOWNLOAD HIS SHOWS.

SUCK ON THAT JON STEWART.  

STEWART HAS A SMALL AUDIENCE OF COLLEGE KIDS WAITING FOR THE F WORD SO THEY CAN YELL AND CHEER AT THE OFFENSIVENESS OF SAYING THAT OVER THE AIR.

Sarah a secessionists when did she specifically ever support that?

Now perry might have joked about it.  Sarah never did. 

Hmm, let’s see who is bitter, vile and hypocritical (and accurate).  I’m just going to be using your own words here, so unless your name is Newt Gingrich, don’t sue me:

“Leftists generally and accurately are angry about EVERYTHING. They are
the most bitter, most vile, most hypocritical people around.”

Here’s some of your recent comments:

“I guess drug addicts and alcoholics have trouble admitting their own failings, too.”

“I don’t know this Johhny Capehart shrew, but he looks like a
porch-sitter who rode the affirmative-action gravy train all the way up
to the 2nd-Floor of life called ‘Media.’”

“But how funny is it that
Joey [Capeheart] wears Coke-Bottle glasses to ‘appear’ as though he’s NOT ‘of that
ilk?’ Kind of like how murderers wear glasses in court to win sympathy
from the judge and jury.”

“Which brings up the obvious question: What does HER prostitution ring look like? Much more to MY liking.”

“I want to see OBAMO pitchforked like this for the next year and beyond. ”

Merry Christmas you miserable sot (my words ;-)

Beginning with the use of all caps?!   You are flat out wrong about your numbers. But if you think college kids are sitting around wanting for some one to cuss, then you surely have never been.

Merry X-mas!

Thanks, we needed the all-caps to understand what you were saying.

Blah blah…more “conservatives-as-victims” talk from Fox.  

Look the bottom line is America and Americans are scared.We’ve been bullied and beaten into a sort of submission by law suits and religious fanatics and atheists and every other tiny segment of the population who either want Christmas symbols and acknowledgments taken away or pushed in our faces.
 
We are a society that sues first and ask questions (or seeks a solution other than a law suit) later.

Plus we seek to be ultra inclusive,to find a way to include everyone of every belief system without taking the slightest risk of alienated,insulting or upsetting them.Though such an attempt is laudable,how it is achieved or attempted is not.

We find ourselves in a world that is fractured and many of those fractures are cultural.We also find ourselves at war and in conflict with cultures that have many members within the country or our allies’ countries.

So we attempt to avoid conflict,to avoid insult and to achieve complete inclusion,but complete inclusion is an illusion and it forces us to abandon our own culture and our own traditions to try and includes other’s.

So what to do?

Those who feel acknowledging Christmas in a traditional manor or in a manor that many Americans feel is correct is some sort of insult or non inclusion of their own vision of the holiday,even if there isn’t one,need to understand,be made to understand,that these forms of acknowledgment are not an affront to theirs,not an insult,and not an attempt to interfere or eliminate their own.

They need to understand that no one is trying to dominate the holiday period.But they also need to understand that those who celebrate and acknowledge Christmas in a traditional way have just as much right to do so as they do to acknowledge it in their own way.Blocking anyone is the same thing no matter who it is.

If you keep someone from saying Merry Christmas or fail to say it to someone who wants it to be said that is as much an issue as saying to it someone who doesn’t believe in it or want it said to them.

If you stop a business or even a government based building etc from displaying a Christmas tree or other holiday related displays you are impacting believers just as much as the display itself would impact non believers.

No group or culture should get some kind of preference,it should be a situation of personal choice and of mutual tolerance.It’s a holiday based on tolerance and understanding,on equal love for all….good will toward man,peace on earth…not anger and hatred,law suits and vehement complaints over a tree or a Nativity scene.

In a sense O’Reilly is right but as usual goes way too far.ultimately the real solution is one we humans have a hard time coming up with…unless we leave governments,religions and the media out of it…it is the solution of being decent human beings,of compromising and being tolerant and understanding,it is learning the cultures of others and respecting them,including them but not excluding them or demonizing then for being different.

Children in school need to be exposed to all cultural beliefs.Kids from backgrounds that don’t have Santa still should understand the symbolism and meaning of “him”,kids from non Muslim or Jewish backgrounds should learn what those cultures believe and how they do or do not celebrate.

chances are there would be a lot more peace on earth good will toward man if they did.

The real “War on Christmas” is the department stores opening at midnight on Thanksgiving.

The retail industry (and our own materialism) has done more to cheapen Christmas than any school or any liberal ever has.

Why don’t more conservatives speak out against the materialism and commercialism surrounding Christmas?

If you want people to treat Christmas as a serious holiday, then fight to keep it that way and don’t let  it be just an excuse to go buy that flat-screen TV (and then go to one extra church service than normal).

Wow, you should talk. I only found this site weeks ago and I notice you are constantly here. I dont understand why some one goes to a site they despise so much, so much, so often (redundant, maybe but I nmean to imply weekly, daily, hourly). I for one have never gone to a site and “stirred the pot” much less go everyday and nitpick everyone. Also your name reads toilet in wisconsin, and um  was 1 or no number already taken?

I really mean no ill feelings, but am curious of YOUR motivations. Are you here to see what the other side thinks? Because I get the vibe that you’d watch a barfight from a distance and yell “hit ‘em’. Feel free to inform me if I am wrong.

Only on Fox can you hear in back to back segments  ”Most americans are conservatives” followed by “Conservatives are being picked on by society”

Which is it, Fox?  You can’t claim to be both the dominant majority AND be a marginalized/oppressed group at the same time.

Millions of college kids also know how to turn off the  ’caps lock’ on their keyboards.

I’m not trying to stop anyone’s beliefs and that’s what you people get wrong — every year.

You’re welcome to practice your faith anyway you want in your own home and in your own house of worship. But once you start to stick your religious symbols on public property, you’re asking us all to celebrate your myths.

We’re a 21st century superpower with nuclear weapons and advanced science and mathematics. We don’t need public declarations of support for a Sky Daddy. We might as well erect statues to Zeus and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. They’re equally valid.

Yawn.

Your church or temple doesn’t get a tax break? Then clearly they’re not taking advantage of the tax code, which has been written to protect their collection plate.

Wow.
Did you proposition Stewart and he turned you down.
He has nothing to do with this thread, and he is a comedian.

Perhap Billy is upset because from day to day in his real life he is running into people who can’t stand him and what he does to our country daily and thus are not all cheery and chipper with him. So, he thinks this spirit (or lack of) is rampant and widespread…perhaps, just perhaps..

I can just picture him going to a fun-raiser during the holidays…and Billy in his importance bubble forgets that the bellhops, servers, valets, chefs, etc are all working stiffs who imbibe his dont tax the rich routine and perhaps dont give him a merry christmas. and he assumes its everywhere. Perhaps.

Merrry X-mas Billy.

Charley Sheen has a bigger rerun audience out of 300 million people than Bill and his bogus war on Christmas.

Well said!! Its great to see someone actually look up and post the true words of the First Amendment!! The progressives and atheists have totally twisted these words to suit their equally twisted agendas.

Geat point! Bill is in charge over there on his show. Drop some Christ on us Bill! “Santa comes at night, presents are under the tree in the morning!” said to the “tide comes in, tide goes out” tune.

Libs should embracs Santa- that’s what they see in Obama- free things for everyone.

They have small trees for the kids.

Happy Holiday’s to you BIllo!!

HAHAHAHAHA

Santa died on a cross for our sins.

HAHAHAHAHA

I’m just stating the facts.  The reason you interpret facts as anger is because reality offends you.  You know what you are.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Jesus was nailed to a pine tree to save our sins.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

As I explained to another bigoted Republican above, facts offend you because you know what you are.

Tell that to the people who celebrate Hanukkah.

You obviously missed the point I was trying to make. People are so afraid of saying ‘Christmas’ because mere mention of a Christian holiday is enough to turn off atheists and non-christians, which is stupid. 

It’s not a day off work to worship a God … it’s more about the tradition of Christmas. It’s about visiting with family, eating good food, socializing with friends. You know, there’s more to Christian holidays then God fearing rituals. It’s hard for atheists / apathetic / agnostic people to realize that. 

If we were a society without any tradition then the government could force us to work 365 days a year. 

“Calling it a Christmas tree makes sense.”

That’s pretty funny if you actually Christmas being a blend of Christianity and pagan holidays. Can you tell me where in the Bible Jesus decorated a tree?

I’m fond of traditions as well but the reality is they change. Society is much more diverse than it was when I was a kid and traditions are evolving to reflect that. Christmas has been so commercialized that the higher sentiments were ruined long ago.  

The state is allowed to sponsor a religion – it’s just the FEDERAL government that is not allowed to do so.

If the statehouse makes the choice to have a Christmas tree on the front lawn, they are obviously symbolizing Christianity, and they should call it like it is. 

Typical liberal: You don’t like hearing anything that discredits your ideology and near–sighted worldview. 

The victim hood of Christianity  cracks me up. It’s been so dominant for so long that when a changing and diverse culture has the nerve to question and challenge it’s domination the cry of victim goes up.
I love all the old classic traditions but working in retail has made me somewhat jaded and cynical about their value. Christmas was ruined by commercialization long before Bill created a fictitious war. Maybe it’s time for us to create a new tradition actually centered on peace on earth good will toward men, rather than profit and people feeling obliged to buy gifts others don’t really need.

Uh.  yes you can.  Liberals are a vitriolic hateful bunch of 20% of America.  A single liberal whines, screams, pouts, lies, and attacks more than 100 conservatives together.

Nobody wants you to be ashamed. Just to recognize a changing growing society and that it’s perfectly fitting that traditions change. We can even change them for the better 

It isn’t the conservatives buying into the materialism and commercialism.  It is the liberals with nothing else to do but consider Xmas the time for spending money.

I say it is time we tell all the PC liberals and atheists to suck it.  I am sick and tired of watching this country be transformed into something we are not and have no desire to be.  If you do not like the way this country was founded and has been since it’s inception, please feel free to leave.  Political correctness is destroying the country which I am sure liberals are glad to see.  To all my liberal friends…Merry Christmas and if you do not like it, you can kiss my *ss. 

Snarky comment.  Keep those zingers coming – how long did it take you to think that up?  And all by yourself?

Tells you about liberals doesn’t it that they watch Charlie Sheen.

The idea is that the government putting up a manger scene is the government promoting one religion over others.
Maybe you’d be down with every religion putting something representative of their own beliefs beside the manger scene,

It’s kinda goofy that people are complaining about a holiday that is a bizarre blend of pagan and Christian mythology.

A Gastonia mother says her son was suspended for calling a teacher “cute.”Chiquita Lockett said her 9-year-old son, Emanyea, spent the last two days at home.Lockett said the principal of Brookside Elementary called her Wednesday to say the incident was a form of “sexual harassment.”Emanyea told Eyewitness News a substitute teacher overheard him tell another student a teacher was cute.Then he was suspended.
And this wasn’t even a situation where the boy was saying something to the teacher. He was talking to a friend and commented that the teacher was “cute.” So this was overheard by a substitute teacher and suddenly the kid is sent home.

THANKS LIBERALS.

A Gastonia mother says her son was suspended for calling a teacher “cute.”Chiquita Lockett said her 9-year-old son, Emanyea, spent the last two days at home.Lockett said the principal of Brookside Elementary called her Wednesday to say the incident was a form of “sexual harassment.”Emanyea told Eyewitness News a substitute teacher overheard him tell another student a teacher was cute.Then he was suspended.
And this wasn’t even a situation where the boy was saying something to the teacher. He was talking to a friend and commented that the teacher was “cute.” So this was overheard by a substitute teacher and suddenly the kid is sent home.

let’s hope so.

Bill gave examples of stupid people saying stupid things under the guise of “political correctness”.  

The Principal was a two faced idiot – there is no excuse for his hypocrisy.  The dumb lawyer trying to defend the stupid principal was just dumb.  

so why are you here.  If you’re that bored, go have a nap.

Carlton’s misguided outrage.  Jon Stewart, blah blah.  Rachel Maddow, blah blah.  Topo Gigio, blah blah.  Amuricans, hells yea!  Young people that would never vote Republicant, bunch of Sociolists and Commies.  Sucks getting old.

so you figure if it’s not talked about, than it can’t be divisive and before you know it – no mention of Christmas is allowed.

If everyone took your stance on issues you’re not comfortable with, so let’s not talk about them, where would we be?

want to prove that one or is it one of your good urban legends?

you know sam – you say the stupidest things and think you’re brilliant (as did 7 bright bulbs that agreed with you).

Republicans don’t want to take the “fun” out of life – you’ve reserved that right.

We are not mad a Christmas time – we want to enjoy the lights, the music the words without you telling us what we have to call it.

Leave us the hell alone and let us celebrate Christmas the way we want without you telling us what is right or wrong about it.  

p.s.  where should Santa deliver your coal?  

O’Reilly should be writing for The Onion. His war on Christmas schtick is becoming a parody of a sham. I don’t even think the Fox goobers are buying it any longer.

I’m sure that’s very traumatic for the kids when their parents have to explain the difference.
NOBODY is telling anyone they should be ashamed of their Christian beliefs, however, if people try to push their religious beliefs onto others via changing policy and laws, they should expect a challenge. 

IMO, the problem is that Christianity has long enjoyed it’s dominant status in the US. Those who took exception had to keep quiet or accept they simply couldn’t make any difference. This seems to have evoked a feeling of some type of priority of ownership among some Christians, as if by being first and dominant for so long they should be deferred to. It doesn’t work that way. Now society is becoming much more diverse and religious myths and beliefs are being challenged by that more diverse society. Portions of Christianity feel somewhat threatened. That’s normal but it’s not an attack on religion. It’s simply an evaluation of what organized religion can or should contribute in a diverse society. IMO, that’s exactly as it should be. If someone chooses to stand up and say “Well according to the bible” then someone else has every right to stand up and challenge the validity and worth of that book.

I asked you this in another thread and you declined to answer. What Christian values do you think this country was founded on? Please be specific 

 That is so darn clever and original. I chuckle every time someone posts it, which is every time I’m reading on Mediaite.
Thanks so much.

Wha wha wha. X-mas is a paid holiday for you. Furthermore, in what way are you being prevented from celebrating the holiday the way you want. This victimization you allude to does not exist. Do your family thing the way you wan. Why the pre-occupation with how ‘others’ view it. You’d be surprised by how little others care what YOU do. X-mas under attack is a cheap carnival shout…typical.

BINGO!! Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner. 
How dare some people deny others the right to stick a light bulb in baby Jesus’ butt and decorate town hall. Sacrilege I say!

 No, mass consumerism is a two way street. The public shares some of the blame for being too easily manipulated and the manipulators share some of the blame as well.

Silly Fox News. Next they’ll be saying Richy Maddow is a bulldyke and Obama is halfcolored.

I get your point , but I also see that putting a religious display on public property can easily be seen as endorsing a specific religion. I can’t see that anyone is preventing the celebration.

Although I no longer choose to call myself a Christian I can still admire an appreciate the basic story of Jesus. I don’t feel any need or call to accept the bits I see as myth to acknowledge the positive message “Peace on Earth, good will toward men” I’m not offended by a manger scene on a lawn or on a town square because I can take what I want and leave the rest.
If the majority decide they want to do that that’s fine. As far as taxpayer dollars  are concerned it’s probably a dam minor offense.

So I agree that too militant activism can be a misdirected waste of time, but I also agree with Sam Harris who says that religious beliefs have and continue to have a serious impact on society and we have a responsibility to challenge them in those places of intersection.

Nice rant but what are you talkign about?  I don’t want tax dollars going to celebrating gods, how is that evangelical? You want to celebrate a god go do it on your own property and with your own money.  If you are offended by that take tough shit. 

Yeah, there’s no need to secularize the pagan portion of a religious holiday.

In fact from now on I’m calling mine a Jesus Tree in protest.  

Jesus wants them to have a new game system, because of divine love. 

Yes, it does.

Coca Cola is a private entity. Their motivation is a business decision. They are not being forced to call them Holiday soda cans. I personally, as an agnostic would have no problem with them being called Christmas cans.

anecdotes;

Almost 20 years ago my two daughters and I played music for the University of Maine Christmas party. The 2nd year the lady approached me as I got there and said “please no songs about Jesus” I asked her if she had had complaints and she said she had. At the time I couldn’t quite understand it. I felt much as I do now, that nobody is asking you to believe anything you don’t, and isn’t the overall sentiment a positive one? I thought, if it’s really a big objection for you why come to the “Christmas” party at all? In retrospect I guess I understand it more but I think it’s still a bit of an over reaction.

Next door to where I work is a small store run by a nice Muslim lady who wears a head scarf.  She has the traditional Christmas music playing “Oh Holy Night, Little Town of Bethlehem” etc. and is trying to take economic advantage of the season with all sorts of decorations. No point, it’s just that the contrast was noted. Her smiling and welcoming you in her accent and scarf while the music  mentioned Jesus as Lord.

What if they threw a party during Ramadan, say on ID and called it an ID party, are you telling me there would not be a TON of Christians complaining about the name of the party? You and I know they would. 

Love the irony of such a hateful and bitter statement being made about some other group being hateful and bitter. 

I think the distinction here is that the government acknowledges all types of holidays. Here in NYC, we get days off for all different kinds of holidays, and if students or workers take off for religious days not officially recognized for all workers (many Muslim holidays come to mind), there are rules in place to protect those who take religious days off.

I don’t think anyone has a problem with that acknowledgement that religion is a very important part of people’s personal and cultural identity.

The problem arises when the government, on government property and through government resources, only celebrates one religion. You don’t see the government using time and resources to decorate or recognize Pesach or Eid ul-Adha or Diwali.

When the government publicly celebrates only Christianity and does not use the same resources to celebrate the holy days of other religions, many people consider this to be an “endorsement” of one religion over others.

So, either you take the time to celebrate all of the world’s religions equally (which is either impossible or impractical), or you have a government that is blind to religion—even Christianity. I’d rather have a religiously blind government.

It appears that the word “Holiday” offends conservatives.  In December, Christians observe Christmas, Jews observe Hannukah, blacks observe  Kwaanza, I observe Seven Days of Stress Free Fishing, all of which go into making December a “Holiday” season.  Rather than make Christmas an exclusively “Christian” holiday, it seems it would be the Christian thing to do to welcome all sects and tribes to be included in the holiday, rather than to exclude them.  After all, merchants certainly would like more people to celebrate Christmas, and if a few Muslims decided to exchange iPads and Lexuses in the spirit of the season, who would it hurt?

But then, some people still object to having a MLK Holiday.  Maybe we should just eliminate all holidays and work 6 day weeks until the national debt is retired.

The one liberal that conservatives fear more than any other, the one liberal who screams the loudest is Jesus Christ.

And the hateful and bitter statement was typed out on a computer in a basement by a lone shut-in who circulates with other RW trolls on comment pages.

The RW is all about projecting their traits on people they envy.

And you immediately assume what mom says is the gospel truth.  No, her little baby could NEVER do anything inappropriate.

Please celebrate the birth of your personal saviour Jesus Christ. It is between you and your invisible cloud being, leve the rest of us alone in peace.

For about 2000 years, Christmas has been celebrated as the birthday of  Jesus the Christ.

In the Western world, in general and in the United States in particular, Christmas Day has been a holiday, taken off work by Muslims, Buddhists, Jews and anyone else, other than Christians.

In a perfect world, there would be no freeloaders, there would be unconditional honesty, and those who do not believe in Christmas and Christianity would have the honesty, integrity and diligence to WORK through the holidays that a Nation founded on Christian principles deemed a national holiday.

Until recently, that was a given, though the natural-born free-loaders were happy to sit on their ars, they had the decency to leave it at that. Now, encouraged by unions, Muslims and other assorted anti-Americans, notably by the human-value-challenged atheists, they want to destroy not only the idea, but the existence of Christmas.

BTW, Ben Dover, do you bend over to your life partner or does he bend over to you?
 

In an effort to bolster the cause of the Religious Right, FOX News attempts to “wag the dog” … and fails.

Rodger Ailes dog whistle to white Christians (or just ignorant people of all color).

(I was raised Christian and married a woman raised in a Jewish family.  The first time I tried to go to the mall and buy her a menorah I was amazed at how overwhelmed our culture is with Christmas.  I literally had to wade through tons of Christmas promotions at dozens of stores before unearthing one or two menorah’s hidden in a vast ocean of Christmas goods.  War on Christmas is like calling throwing a cup of water in the surf a ‘war on the worlds oceans.’  What a joke).

X-mas is Jesus’s birthday. Jesus is a socialist. Bill should be happy about (his fantasy) war on x-mas. Stands to reason, does it not?

So where does the outrage end?  Is “Jingle Bells” at war against Christmas, because it never mentions the word “Christmas”?  Is “Deck the Halls” on the wrong side of this war because they say “Tis the season” rather than “This Christmas season”?  How many of the so-called Christmas specials on television even mention Christ?  Are they all part of the war on Christmas?

The war against the Christian celebration of Christmas was lost as soon as “Black Friday” became a part of the American vernacular.  Still, somehow this is all the fault of Godless liberals trying to be inclusive by saying “Happy Holidays”.  Riiiiight.

MLK was a philandering clown.  There NEVER should have been a national holiday named after a low life like him.

Oh, I gotcha.  It’s only liberals who go Christmas shopping…. Thanks for clearing that up.

Guess that means our 20% is just that much more effective. 

You can say it’s only 20% all day long, but it sure was more like 53% who picked Obama over your guy.   

And even at a low point Obama still has a 44% approval rating….that ain’t 20%…hate to break it to you.   

And he STILL polls ahead of your side’s clown parade.

Well , technically you are now committing the same offense, so hopefully you are joking. 

Cmon Carlton.   Let’s cut the nonsense.  I think we can both admit that there are vitriolic people on both sides.   Neither of us should lie and pretend that vitriol is only  one-sided..

You know, you’re right.  The Tree that Christ fell out of is sacred. It must be watered with the blood of tyrants.

So are you against the Free Market?  Should the Christian Government of the Christian States of America tell a human corporation how it should market its products to its customers?  Even if they lose sales?  Wouldn’t that be job-killing regulation?

So on one hand, you’ll make excuses for this kid and blame political correctness….and then, let me guess, in another article, you’ll probably complain about how schools don’t have discipline any more and nobody respects authority.  

That’s liberal logic, which is ALWAYS unreasonable.

You can always tell who’s on which side by listening to comments on “The War On Christmas,” which is a right wing invention in the first place. Whereas normal people just go about celebrating a late-December holiday which usually involves getting together with family and friends, taking a few days off, and exchanging gifts, America’s deranged rightists have to invent a conflict, and then defend their position with ferocity, outrage and anger, as if they were under attack. Never mind that the attack they are defending against is about as real as Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction.

Our angry, outraged Fox-breathing heroes are here to defend us against the attack on Christmas. The attack shows up less often than Linus gets to see the Great Pumpkin, but they are out there, all the same, just in case. Hey, you never know. The Great Pumpkin may show one of these years, too.

That is just not true. The State has to observe the supreme law of the land Which is the US constitution. It has to keep “church and state separate” in the interests of the common good.
It is really funny to read all these shallow defenses of Christmas. Christmas needs no defense. It is and as long as there are people who believe Christmas will be. The spirit of Christmas is what O’Reilly lacks. He does not carry the message of Christmas. He is a mean spirited habitual liar and he spreads scandal which is a mortal sin. Every day “for money” he does harm to his neighbor.

What? Jesus preached giving up wealth and following him, he went around healing the afflicted and the poor. He advocated turning the other cheeek and caring for others just for the sake of it. Oreilly is the least Jesus-like fellow around. If the Jesus story is true, Bill is in big trouble.

Of course, he is counting on the fact that people actually don’t read the New Testament. It is a small book. Read it. If you are honest, you will find there is no way people who make a living lying, screaming and denouncing others are in a position to tell you anything about Jesus. It is sort of blaspemous actually.

Exactly! And it is unclear why ardent advocates of selfishness are guardians of a prophet who preached self-sacrifice as a virtue.

Not once in your life has anyone ever told you what to call Christmas. The reason you say that is because you are a Republican, and all Republicans are compulsive liars.

Religion/ spiritualism IS a mental sickness and ALL who believe in ANY Religion/ spiritualism ARE mentally sick, delusional, hallucinating and psychotic!

“Can you tell me where in the Bible Jesus decorated a tree? ”

No one can, because he was Jewish.

Oh yeah I forgot. They are not allowed to decorate trees , especially with ornaments made of pork. 

Maybe because Bill O’Reilley believes in objectivity, truth and impartiality.

And based on that belief, he asks for nothing more than everyone respecting decades if not centuries old tradition.

Merry Christmas to you!

Nice edit job on your original comment. Two can do that, too.

Normal folks celebrate December 25th as the birth of Christ.
It is only the deranged, lazy, liberal slobs who consider it another opportunity to take a few days off and “exchange gifts”
Jesus loves you….even if you don’t wish him a Happy Birthday.
I only wish I was a strong enough Christian to do the same.

“Billo’s a bore!”

Yeah, it is a bore to see a view on the Factor that is decidedly liberal, on every segment, every night. YEAH!
 
It would be so much less boring to see chants and choruses to the choir as one can see night after night, with no hope of change and an opposing view in sight on MSNBC.

It would be so much less boring to see a show with no light and humorous moments, kind of like the totally exhilarating and uplifting shows hosted by Wolf Blitzer and  Anderson Cooper on CNN.   

Did you even EVER watch The Factor?

Putting a light bulb in 0bama’s butt would REALLY decorate town hall.

Hell, it would be the proper decoration to the country hall, known as the White House.

Seeing as how following the astronomical signs listed in biblical accounts of the birth of Jesus, he was born in April, folks who celebrate his birthday on December 25th are anything but normal, not that right-wing slobs are considered normal.

If you stick around, you’ll find out that people create multiple profiles.

Rex, Widdle and exGOP are all the same person…..among others. Enjoy! :)

Preach it, clown! Preach it!

I don’t follow how ‘liberal’ comes into it.

For liberals, government is God. The birth of Christ is just too much competition for a liberal. Oh, and their opinion on all things religious? It is all that matters. Settled science.

I didn’t think you would.
It requires a brain.

Fact: You and your miserable ilk hate Christmas, because you bloody well know that creeps like you and Christmas are mutually exclusive.

Speaking of anger: Look at your posts on this thread and any and all other threads you polluted. Get together with KoreanTrevor, exclude us from your hate and in the spirit of Christmas, leave us alone. 

BTW, Merry Christmas to you, and a Happy New Year!

I said we “celebrate December 25th as the birth of Christ”.
I did not say it was “His Birthday”
AliveStillKickin enjoys eating your lunch but would appreciate it if you put some meat in it next time……lightweight, vegan slob

Nobodies Prefekt

What is it you think I edited?

RIGHT!!
Jesus preached giving up wealth and following him
He did NOT steal your money and mandate you to follow Him…nor did he make it a law to care for others…He practiced and advocated it.
Why does this have to be pointed out a multitude of times before you liberal morons get it…and still argue?

O’Reilly is such low life human garbage.  This right wing extremist would not know a progressive if he ever actually met one and programming like this particular segment is as far off into the extreme of lies as it gets.  Secular progressives are not have not been attacking Christmas.  However, if idiots like O ‘Reilly and his ilk on Fox fake news are supposed to be the paragons of morality and the keepers of the Christian faith…then it is very easy to understand why anyone would switch to atheism.

Amazing to me that so many who claim to love christmas and love Jesus really hate his teachings.

http://www.jesusisaliberal.org/

You’re obviously on the wrong side of the war, calling it “the holidays”.  What a liberal socialist Obama-loving hack you must be.

Why does the left hate Christmas?

Yes Trevor, I’m a hard working, God loving, family man, who thinks common sense should be used first when evaluating most situations, you on the other hand come across as a self important, know it all, who when given the chance to use common sense is overcome with the need to tell people how and when and where they should appreciate something as harmless as Christmas, I’d feel bad for you but you’ve chosen to take this point of view so be it.

Political correctness and the totally justified fear of being called RACIST if one dares to say anything critical about 0bama herded the gutless sheep in unprecedented numbers to 0bama in 2008. The same fear, to this day keeps them there.

Pity!

All I do is post facts.  Please try to understand that you’re not mad at me; you’re mad at facts.  All Republicans are mad at facts because all Republicans have been systematically trained to reject reality.

Google images “O’Reilly Holiday Ornament”

As opposed as I am about religion impacting upon the government, federal, state or local, I am even more concerned about the impact of government upon religion.

What’s better about having to be ashamed to say merry Christmas to someone, like you’d be insulting them or something. I welcome my Jewish friends to wish me a happy hanuka as well and would take no offense, same for any other religions as long as it was a heartfelt greeting, but today starting with ” holiday trees ” we are told by Lib / progressives that this is inappropriate, how sad to live in your world.

With your name you must be the President of the Gay Club. 

Ironic that your concerned about the government putting up a manger scene, but no problem with them taking over healthcare ( 1/ 6th of the economy ) when it clearly is not popular with the nations majority, I wonder if the nations majority would disapprove of manger scenes.
And I have know problem at all with other religions putting up their holiday displays, maybe we’d all learn more about other cultures that way.

Cosmos Dan, I didn’t decline to answer your question I had to go to work. I’m not going to go into a long dissertation for you but to answer your question what does it say on our currency ? Above the courthouses, and anywhere you Libs haven’t already had it removed, references to God, not Allah , not Buddah, etc…

Yeah, had nothing to do with the other option being the cranky old man yelling at Mexicans to get off his lawn and stating “there’s no scenario in which we pull out of Iraq”, with his running mate Caribou Barbie. Problem is, he is head and shoulders better than the lot that cons are planning to put against Obama in 2012 (save Ron Paul).

So you’re saying Bill supports Obama?  I’ll pass that on.

Bill O’Reilley donates ALL the proceeds from his online store to charity.

He pays his taxes according to the law. You know, kind of like Jesus said about rendering to Ceasar….

If the fact and the concept that he EARNS his income by providing a service that – according to the ratings – millions want is alien to you and your ilk, too bad.

If you find a chapter or a verse in the New Testament that condemns O’Reiley for earning an honest living and giving a large portion of it to charity, show me. 

While you are at it, please define what a FAIR SHARE is. So far I have not heard from politicians, pundits and hypocrites (pardon the redundancy) say what a FAIR percentage of taxing would be. And please don’t tell me that those who can afford it should pay more. Why? Does not one entitled to keep his earnings at least as much as one is entitled to steal from others what he has NOT EARNED??

http://www.historyofchristmas.net/

Educate yourself.

Jesus “mandated” that if you did not follow the teachings you would not be given entry into heaven.

“Jesus loves you….even if you don’t wish him a Happy Birthday.
I only wish I was a strong enough Christian to do the same.” 

Which do you think Jesus would prefer, you wishing him a happy birthday or you showing compassion to your fellow man.  If you can’t figure that out, then celebrating Jesus’s birth and calling yourself a Christian makes you more of a hypocrite than those celebrating the “holiday season”.

Your answer is in the question: “Why does Satan hate Christmas?”

News Flash to Christians — Christmas takes place on one day. Heck, not all Christians even celebrate Christmas on the same one day!

Throughout the month of December, there are many holidays being celebrated by multiple religions. 

More to the point… there are multiple religions represented throughout the United States. 

By using phrases like “Happy Holidays,” religion is actually being emphasized and respected.

Did you know that Christmas wasn’t even legal in some parts of the US during the earlier years of our nation’s history because it was believed to have become too irreligious? 

What’s so sad about Fox viewers is that they seem to have a desire to learn, but they’re being fed lies and a specific dogma, so they don’t really learn much worth knowing.

The only way calling a pagan religious symbol a “holiday tree” is “bashing” Christianity (which apparently is the only “other religion” you are aware of) is if acknowledging the diversity of winter holidays is somehow an insult to Christianity.

Given that Christianity’s ultimate goal, like Islam, is to convert everyone who isn’t a believer, I can see how respect for other religions is “bashing.”

http://www.jesusisaliberal.org...
LOL!!!
They need an entire website to convince libtards that Jesus lovces them.
We, as conservatives already kne it….but many of us lack the fortitude to love shit.

More partisan BS to keep the anger of the feebs stoked.

There was a rumor going through a town in rural Oklahoma where some of my older family members live.  According to the Red set, President Obama had cancelled Christmas.  Of course everyone, (R)’s & (D)’s were in an uproar. 
Regardless of party affiliation, everyone is strict Baptist. Up until 10-15yrs ago, everyone got along. It was like Mayberry, the name is even reminiscent of “Mayberry”.  There’s one main street, aptly named “Mainstreet”. Along it is a old time pharmacy/soda-fountain with a make-up counter for the ladies. Population is about 1500 people.  I had always admired the little town & it’s people. Partisanship hadn’t made it’s way in.  People really did practice what they preached. When I was young (much longer than 10-15yrs ago), when I’d visit, if we weren’t working the farm, we were at the nursing home playing the piano & singing, on weekends we’d make meals for the shut-ins, my grandma would even take me out to the graveyard once a week to lay flowers & pray, paying special attention to the children & infants graves, most of whom died long before I was born.
It was community.  I would get indignant when people would gripe about Christianity being so hypocritical. I watched both (D)’s & (R)’s living in perfect harmony. No divorce. Everyone helped each other. Everyone had their neighbors backs. There were only a few non-white families, but there wasn’t that everpresent undercurrent of racism that is usually in the small towns. There were more than a few adopted children from Hispanic & Native American migrant families that wanted a different life. My (adopted at birth) Aunt is Native American. It was a lovely place.  I had always planned to go back after residency & set up shop as the town physician.
Then about 10-15yrs ago things began to change, and it’s been getting progressively worse. No one looks in on my 91yr old grandfather.  No one goes to play piano at the nursing home my grandmother is in. Both were pillars of the church & community for more than half a century. My grandmother played organ at the church. My grandfather was deacon (and Sheriff!). There’s no one making meals for the shut-ins.  No one even visiting them anymore.
Church service has become more politically charged.  Talk at the coffee shop isn’t about the crops, or the fishing, or the hunting- it’s soundbytes from Faux from the night before.  Now there’s a political line that separates people that have been friends, even family, going back decades, in some cases nearly a century.
It’s sickening, to see how politicians have taken politics, and religion, and twisted it up to make “wedge issues”, which is exactly what they’ve done- pounded a wedge into America. Making people angry at their neighbors, for no real reason.
So my poor 91yr old Grandfather, a lifelong Democrat (who’s followed the path of Christ more closely than anyone I’ve ever met in my life.), called my Mother a couple days ago,  He was incensed, so angry that he actually said “darn” (first time we’ve ever heard him come close to cursing), because he heard from “the boys” at the coffee shop that President Obama had cancelled Christmas. First he was mad that his Red set neighbors would refer to a President, ANY President, as just his last name, without the title of President.  So Mom told him how the first family was lighting the nations Christmas tree on the 1st of Dec, and that Christmas was still on.
I feel so bad for these people, on both sides of the (D) & (R) divide, that spent their lives working with their hands, and have little tolerance for computers, so all they hear is what comes out of their (very limited) rural cable packages. Fox, CNN, & MSNBC.  Of course Fox is the most watched, I think a lot of these very honest older folks actually believe the “fair & balanced” line. Even if they’re a bit more skeptical and pull from all the news sources, Fox is still the most watched channel (despite them constantly decrying the mainstream media- they ARE the mainstream media). So in places where news is carried, word of mouth, like it has been forever, that hateful, spiteful, oison still makes it into the communities.
I’m so sick of this partisanship. I’m so disappointed that our gov’t is manipulated by corporate interests, in whose best interest it is to keep the people angry at each other.  To keep them from talking to each other, to keep them from realizing that they want pretty much the same thing. To live peacefully, to have their kids & grandkids inherit a better country, the one they worked so hard to build.  It’s just so tragic, to see the last of these little communities being ripped apart.

Now, that’s a strech that is hard to not laugh at.

The pathetic scumbag who was elected in 2008 – in the same sense as the Bolsheviks got elected from 1917 to 1989 – was and will always be the least qualified, least prepared, least equipped and least moral pretender to the Presidency. If not for the centuries-old guilt of whites for slavery – which, by the way was nowhere near as cruel as the European feudal system of serfdom – put a black man in a place he has no reason and merit to be. Blindness and guilt compelled idiots to vote for a half-black man whose ancestry has and never had any connection to slavery.

Call the lady who on her own merit ascended to be a Governor, anything you like. Call an honorable veteran who served his country more in one minute than 0bama has in his entire lifetime, anything you want.  

Problem is that you and your miserable ilk consider 0bama, who wants to transform the country of Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Monroe, Lincoln and Reagan – fundamentally – into another Cuba, head and shoulders better than any of the Republican contenders, whose wisdom and experience is, indeed head and shoulders above the lowest bar 0bama set in American history.

The comment / question was on what religious principles was this country founded, I don’t believe it was Jewish principals, although I love Hanukkah, my father remarried a Jewish women who tried to teach me about her religion, unfortunately I was to young and she passed away. I welcome all religions to celebrate their holiday publicly or otherwise and feel we can all learn something if we’re open minded. I just resent the beating that Christianity is taking during this / and past holiday seasons.

Hey, Barkeep3, drink the poisoneous koolaid you are offering anyone else.

Do you know that O’Reilley donates all the proceeds of his online store to charity?

Would you be prepared to compare your donations to charity to O’Reilley’s?

Would you be prepared to compare popularity with O’Reilley?

Would you be prepared to compare the tips O’Reilley gives to bellhops, servers, valets, chefs, etc are all working stiffs to the tips you give to same, provided you ever have enough to go on a vacation beyond your trailer park?

Merry CHRISTMAS, Barkeep3!

shoot the messenger
*drink*

I guess you missed the part where ‘Taad’ Palin was a member of the Alaskan secessionist party, and his lil’ wifey Sarah addressed their convention and told them to ‘keep up the good work.”

sure – screengrabs here:
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=90

You make this too easy.

Except by ‘talking about,’ Oreilly lies and makes up instances that didn’t happen.

My world is in touch with reality, while you’re describing a paranoid fantasy.

Nobody is asking you to change the way you choose to speak or greet people. The sad thing is you actually believing they are. 

I’m not concerned about manger scenes on the town square. I still kinda like it even though I’m not a Christian, because I appreciate the message aside from the mythology. I’m only saying I understand the reasoning behind it.
I’m also not lamenting the changing of old traditions in a changing society, and I understand the reasoning behind the objections even if I don’t personally object.
Manger scene on church lawn or on your own is still a viable option that nobody objects to. If people prefer their town to not to tacitly endorse the most prominent religion they have a right to say so.
I remember working at Sears decades ago and unpacking large empty plastic nativity figures that  people would light up on their lawn and thinking they were strangely appropriate to how people regarded the teachings of Jesus. 

what does it say on our currency

That’s not an answer to my question. 
This country was founded on Christian values and principles is something I have heard a lot, but it seems that people casually repeat it without thinking much about what it means {or doesn’t mean}
Religious doctrine, beginning with belief in God and on into other specifics, is not, are not, principles and values. Suicide bombers believe and so do the hateful Westboro Baptists. Jesus said even the demons believe.
IMO, Christianity doesn’t have any principles or values that weren’t around long before Jesus.
Principles of justice and equality and caring for one another for the betterment of all are not exclusive to Christianity.
The historic fact that our founders were predominantly Christian stands in contrast to the fact they made a special effort to make our Constitution, the basis for our laws, decidedly non religious in any way.
The fact that Christianity has been the most prevalent religion in the US  doesn’t give it any priority of ownership or elevated status, because those founders wanted our government to not be based on religion.
I think if you actually studied the founding more and the influence of the Enlightenment upon our more deistic founders, you’d find that phrase isn’t really historically accurate. 

So you think the particular “issues” that O’Reilly had tapes on were plants?  Were not really happening?

So, you’re saying O’Reilly made it up?  That the Governor of Rhode Island isn’t calling their Christmas Tree – the Holiday Tree?

Really, it is not to celebrate the birth of Christ?  That is a new one.  The only thing hard for this non belivers to appreciate is why are tax dollars going toward this non religious holiday (your words). 

And why do tax dollars go towards a religious holiday?  It is a simple matter of the goverment supporting a particular religion.  Why is it so hard for you to wrap that around your head?

And as far as it being a holiday the country was founded on, the XMas holiday was established in 1870 by Pres. Grant, who not exactly a Founding Father.

FHoot113 wrote: “Ironic that your concerned about the government putting up a manger scene, but no problem with them taking over healthcare ( 1/ 6th of the economy ) when it clearly is not popular with the nations majority”

Wrong.  Health care takes 5% of the budget.  The war takes 58%. 

 Wrong again on the nation’s majority stance on health care -72% of Americans WANT health care.

You’ve been watching too much Faux “News”. Remember, they’re registered as an entertainment channel and don’t have to tell the truth.

So using tax dollars to give people the day off to celebrate a particular religion not an endorsement?  In what world does that make sense?  I know what world, the world of the religious mind. As for your Christian heritage, I don’t have to try to shame you, you guys are doing a bang up job yourselves.

RE: “This country was founded on Christian values ”

Treaty of Tripoli, carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams in 1797…
“As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen … it is declared … that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. … The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.”
 

Yes we wouldn’t want to alienate any Sikhs and Buddhists in the United States of Airport.

Other religions (Muslims really) bash themselves by being permanently offended about just about everything.

Good thing you’re smarter than Fox News and their viewers. Give them a ring, they’ll probably make you CEO.

Yes, we have decided that. Move to Hyderabad and you can celebrate mixed up festivals of uncertain progeny all you want.

What a joke.   Here’s an idea:  tell your side stop saying racist shit like “kenyan anti-colonialist” and “Barack the Magic Negro”  and “food stamp president”…..and asking for his birth certificate… and maybe then people won’t call you racist.

Try disagreeing with him on the issues for a change and stop always making it personal about Obama. Your side nearly always makes it personal. Maybe if you stick to the issues then people won’t call you racists.

In the meantime, the rest of America is getting ready to re-elect him while your side falls all over itself trying to find the tea-bagger in chief.

You have just described all religions, so you will have to be more specific.

Wrong. All we ask is tax dollars not be used and to keep your faith off government property. Some how that message turns you all into victims. You want to pray or worship some supernatural figure, go for it I really don’t care, but don’t make others pick up the tab.

Bill believes in the $$ and knows what will make the Pavlovian dogs who watch him salivate. Nothing more nothing less.

Media Matters A Messenger ?? Ha !!!!!

More Like A Massager Of Liberal Dysfunctional Thinking !!

Well…Just so you know the Muslims do have a Holiday this season. Monday, Dec 5th. Now the strangest part of it all…It’s to commemorate God/Allah saving Moses and the Israelites from the Pharaoh. “Day Of Ashura”

James…You really need to learn a few things about Muslims.
You will learn more about Jesus’ brothers by reading the Koran than you will the Bible. You might also find it strange that Muslims believe that Jesus is one of their most holy figures. As I’ve posted above..Monday the Muslims will celebrate by Fasting to commemorate Moses and the Israelites being “saved” from the Pharaoh. When crossing the Red Sea. You remember the “Pillar of Fire” keeping Pharaoh’s men from following the Israelites while they crossed the “Parted Sea”…

You’ll also find that the Koran mentions that God sent Jesus to save the Jews..But the Jews refused to believe that he was the Son of God…

You really need to find a few things out…The “Winter Holiday” that is celebrated by Christians..Was originally a Roman Holiday. Saturnalia, that also happened near the Winter Solstice. {The first day of Winter}. Also if you would study things more..There is a greater chance that Christ was born in March than December.

Gah! I wish they’d stop with this whinging scaredy-cat, hysterical “they’re gonna kill Christmas!” thing! Stop with the crying and just celebrate Christmas already! This whole thing reminds me of the feminists always screeching about how the world is against them for being women, the race card people saying everybody hates (insert race here) etc. Christmas is not getting killed, stop believing every paranoid chain email you get, Fox&friends, okay!? http://cbcf.groupsite.com

Christmas is not in danger of getting crushed and stamped out. Whatever is done in public, everybody still has the right to celebrate Christmas, or Hannukkah and put up displays of such celebrations in and around their own homes. And, Christmas is very much alive and well at my own workplace. Christians just need to stop looking around everywhere for things they can imagine is a threat to Christmas, and just celebrate Christmas already.

Look, I’m a Christian, I celebrate Christmas, and for once I would like it if other Christians would just celebrate it and stop looking for excuses to go “Waaaaaah! They’re saying ‘Happy holidays’ which means they’re trying to destroy Christmas!’ because it’s simply not true. And yes, too many Christmans do throw fits over anything muslim, so much that there are chain emails about it, same as this so-called ‘war on Christmas’ which IMO is being started by people who are either paranoid or pranksters who know how to work up the Christians who are so terribly scared of getting trampled under by “the sea of political correctness!” Give me a break and just let Christmas be Christmas and stop looking for reasons to perpetuate alarmist downers.

Nice Christ like additude you got there. Thanks for proving my point.

Another thing – stop going on about how Christmas is too commerce. Christmas is only as commercial as you make it and whatever other people buy is really none of your concern. You’re not showing any Christmas spirit by whining about commercialism or “They’re trying to kill Christmas with pc-ness!” Stop trying to take away the real Christmas from us with these self-centred, petty ideas. It’s bad enough this stuff is already going on during the rest of the year.

Yeah – Christ wouldn’t be encouraging all this alarmism from conservatives or self-righteous pc-ness from liberals.

I hear that the pagans want their tree back, and their little mistletoe too.

Seems to me the real war on Christmas is the over commercialization of it.  Most people forget the meaning and feel like they have to spend themselves into oblivion.  If he really wanted to declare a war, instead of worrying about stores putting up decorations, or saying “happy holidays”, he should be telling people to stop buying, and think about the real meaning.

1st. There’s nothing paranoid going on my world ( check yours though ). Although I’ve not been told directly how to greet people, I’m bothered that thru pressure exerted on, for example large retailers by people / groups who share your, to coin a phrase ” paranoiah ” about religion or the religious connotations expressed in phrases like ” Merry Christmas ” that they are being forced to use the term “happy holiday” so as not to offend, you can’t tell me you not aware of the changes and I’m sorry but I miss the days when I was growing up and these greetings weren’t offensive to anyone.
Bing Crosby singing carols, chestnuts roasting on an open fire, etc……

Are you really concerned about tax dollars for this? I don’t believe that the few paltry dollars spent to celebrate this holiday to be more than drop in the bucket and quite frankly if you had your way and you diminished Christmas to levels you’d like, think about the lost tax revenues that help keep local communities operating, the loss of important local seasonal jobs, wrap your head around that

I assume your talking about Christmas becoming a federally recognized holiday, apple and oranges to the point we were discussing.

So again worry about tax dollars, I think we have larger spending problems to worry about rather than something that can lift the spirits of the country as a whole for a few weeks, and as far as shame goes, I live my life in a way and treat people in a way that causes me no shame, I’m not sure you could say the same?

 I’m not sure if the web page is up anymore, but what kind of Christmas tree ornaments do you think Bill-O the clown was selling on his web site? You guessed it. They were stamped with “Happy Holidays”. LOL

Maybe paranoia  is over stating it but so is “being ashamed to say Merry Christmas or pressure being put on large retailers. For retailers it’s simple economics. If you put up signs for separate holidays that cost X. If you put up signs that say Happy Holidays it costs less. It’s also a recognition of our changing society. Do you say Merry Christmas to people who don’t celebrate it, or do you say Happy Holidays and cover everyone.

Sure there are some groups pushing to make changes but there’s still no real comparison to the Christian groups working to make the law for everyone line up with their religious beliefs. No comparison at all. That’s why I don’t take Christian complaints about being attacked for their faith very seriously. It’s really just people reacting to what Christian’s have done for decades.

I worked in retail a long time putting in lots of extended hours through the Christmas rush to maximize profits. It isn’t progressives who ruined the sentiment of Christmas. It was using it as a focal point of retail economy and continuously making it worse every year. People get killed and injured and pepper sprayed on black Friday but still we don’t learn our lesson.

I can get sentimental about the goo ole days. I grew up in rural New England and things were a lot less complicated, but the world, and our nation is changing and we need to change with it. 

Dan I also grew up in new England and I greatly miss being driven down commonwealth ave in moms vw bug hearing perry como on the radio and seeing happy faces bustling around the festively lit streets with no fear of PC interfering in Christmas celebrations, I just heard this morning that some city / town in Texas doesn’t want Santa to visit their school because it will interfere with learning and no Christmas card exchanges between kids for fear the cards may contain religious references, which world do you prefer? The one we grew up in or the one our kids are?
By the way ” Merry Christmas to you and yours “

Will be Bill O’Reiily  or any of these folks battling in this so-called “War on Chrismas” be in a church on Christmas Day?

I’ll bet not.

If the kids don’t know what a Christmas  tee is about, then YOU cpnservatives really are doing a piss-poor jog of educating YOUR children, aren’t you?
..
And what in the world does a Christmas tree have to do with Jesus Christ?  I bet you have no idea..

It’s not a matter of what I prefer. It’s a matter of making the best of what is rather than seeing change as a negative and longing for the good ole days.
I think the PC can go a overboard sometimes but I accept that as a small part of a changing society. We have it within us to alter tradition or create new ones to better reflect society as it is rather than as it was.
I agree that learning about different religions is a good thing, and am glad that some churches, mosque’s and synagogues participate in a cultural and religious exchange. Religion has had such a great affect on our world , both negative and positive. I think it’s good for people to educate themselves.

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.
{that didn’t hurt a bit} 

They shouldn’t be afraid to call them ‘Christmas Cans’ considering Santa (an ultimate symbol of Christmas Tradition) is on the can. It’s just that people are so sensitive to religious displays in any public area and would get pissed if they were called Christmas cans.

Even though Santa obviously represents Christmas, Coke has to call them Holiday Cans because our country has gotten so damn politically correct!

Christmas trees are NOT religious symbols

Get off the Fox News plantation … and lame religion too

RyDOOOSH … you didn’t discredit anything

Christmas Trees are NOT religious symbols

Neither is Santa or Jingle BellsThose are American secular Christmas symbols

RyDOOOOSH …. Santa is NOT a religious symbol

O’Reilly only whines about this because he thinks religion has been taken out of Christmas …
O’Reilly isn’t bright so we understand why he would think such nonsense

RyDOOOOSH …. This shows just how loony you really are

Organized religion in the US likes that non-religious celebrations of Christmas be called “Holiday” occasions because they are secular   

That way when religious celebrations of Christmas occur people know what they are about 

You take the cake on being obtuse

Hoot DOOOOSH … The US was founded on NO religion

That was the point … freedom to practice or not practice whatever religion you want

Hooot DOOOOSH … I mind the billions in tax dollars that go to religious organizations to spread their corrupt message 

Religious organizations apply to the US govt for funds just like average citizens, non religious groups and businesses.

You didn’t even know religious groups get billions in govt grants each year. Yes … BILLIONS ….

RyDOOOSH ….. Religious Christmas is NOT about eating food, socializing. That is NONSENSE

Hoot DOOOOSH ….. Then explain why religious organization like the delineation of Christmas and “Holiday” season ?

Organized religion feels the religious occasion loses its meaning when lumped with secular Christmas

Get off the Fox News plantation !!

Non one here should be defending the garbage that the pea brain O’Reilly puts out there about Christmas

Organized Religion doesn’t being lumped with secular Christmas. They feel it diminishes religious Christmas.

Get off the Fox News plantation !!

The war on christmas has to be the Worst semi reality show ever. Year after year.

Whatever, I’m sick of pagan anti-Christian backlash too. All who are out to make Christmas into a political fight can take a hike.

If people would quit making such a huge deal over it and realize there is nothing at all wrong with “Merry Christmas” or “happy holidays” and just drop this whole thing, it would make things a lot more festive.
Yes, there are songs that say “Merry Christmas” and that has not changed…
There’s also a song called “Happy Holidays” and it isn’t played very much but nevertheless, is a nice song.
And yes, there is room for Santa in Christ’s world, too, even though the real St. Nicholas didn’t come down a chimney, he was a historical figure, and the legend grew out of that and is supposed to be about making the world a kinder, happier place for others at Christmas.

Yes, exactly. Quit whining about taxes.

And who cares about the founding of America in connection with Christmas anyway? The fact that people celebrate Christmas all around the world and have for a long time means it doesn’t matter when it was declared a holiday in the US. It is, and should remain so, without all this political hoopla.

Yeah, Clovis, put a sock in it already. So you hate religion. Go hide away somewhere until your hated holiday is over. You won’t be missed by at least some of us. You can whine all you like about paying taxes when Valentine’s Day rolls around…

So who cares?

Look, don’t be such a shrinking violet yearning for the good ol’ days.
Just celebrate Christmas and give whatever cards you want to give and stop being such a victim about this stupid political correctness thing. You know that sort of frightened sad, faithless attitude is exactly what the hoaxers who start chain emails targeting Christians want from you and you’re giving them exactly that.
Yes I say “Merry Christmas” but if someone lets me know they are Jewish I’ll say “Happy Hanukkah.” No problem there…
I play Christmas songs about Jesus, and Christmas songs about Santa at my work. Again, no problem.
I do get very irritated with people who go on about how much they hate “happy holidays” as opposed to “Merry Christmas” and have had to bite my tongue pretty hard whenever my Mom gets started on that.
But we need to show a lot more faith and freedom to simply be Christian and celebrate Christmas, without making it a war of spite. AKA “Look at me, I’m saying Merry Christmas because I’m trying to save Christmas from pc-ness!”

Yeah, very good question.

I agree with you Ninure – conservatives are so scared stiff that Christ is going to get killed by ‘da big PC-meister” or something, and that is n’t what Christmas is about.
The tree – well, that’s more of a cultural thing than to do with Christ – I believe it was a custom started in Germany or Holand, but don’t quote me on that. The reason it is called a Christmas tree is because it happens to be used at Christmas time. If the custom was started around some other festivity, then that’s the sort of tree it would be.

Yes, the pc-ness does go way too far, but so does the reactionary response to it. When it gets to the point where it seems to take over, and conservatives continue looking for excuses to bring up the same tired old “We want the good ol’ days back” while forgetting that there was a lot about them good ol’ days that weren’t all that good… And so often these rants show up in chain emails too, which drives me absolutely up the dang blasted wall! Argh!
Yeah, enough, people!

And a Merry Christmas.

I don’t care if they’re called “holiday cans” you know, New Years is also included in the holiday too…

One use of the ‘h’ word isn’t going to kill Christmas. Honestly, people. No, really!

I screamed when a friend of mine sent me that stupid whinging chain email several years ago about “It’s a Christ-mas tree!”
Give me a break. Nobody’s trying to x out Christ from Christmas, and for those who don’t believe, well, whatever, they’re not going to raid our homes and take away our Christmas and make us give up our Nativity scenes and tell us to rename our trees, for gosh sake people…

Santa Claus isn’t even American, originally.

O’reilly needs to stop moaning and just celebrate Christmas. He and others like him need to stop trying to steal Christmas by spreading around this whinge.

Bleck Here it goes again, the whole thing about whether or not the US was founded on a religion. This guck shows up in far-right chain emails all the time too, and I’m so sick of it…

Oh, the tax whinge again. Sto it already and scream about taxes on Valentine’s…

Religious Christmas is not about starving yourself either, dingbat. It’s festive, and beloved traditions go along with every celebration, religious or not. So your point was worthless.

“plantation” How about you get off the weed?

O’Reilly does need to get a grip and celebrate Christmas rather than looking for petty things to whine and cry about. But you also need to get off this “Fox News plantation” crap. It’s not a “plantation” it’s a TV channel, doofus!

Great summarization, it’s a ‘reality show’ for sure! And I am so sick of it! All scaredy-cat whining conservatives, and all “organized religion” haters alike, go away and leave well enough alone!

Christmas trees have been used to celebrate Jesus’ birth for hundreds of years all over the world. It’s a religious tradition so yes it is definitely a symbol of Christianity. 

I’m not saying this because i’m just some religious nutjob like you assume… i’m saying it because it MAKES SENSE. 
Its a political correctness issue… why are we afraid to call a Christmas tree a Christmas tree?!?!

Santa is part of the Christmas TRADITION. Yeah, he’s not in the bible, but so what? It’s simply a part of the tradition.

And when companies use Santa images to decorate their store / advertisements, and then say they are having a “Holiday sale” is dumb because political correctness tells us to avoid all religion / religion tradition in public … even when it’s obviously being used. 

The celebration of Christmas involves socializing and having family dinners. You aren’t making any sense. Yes, the religious meaning of Christmas doesn’t say you have to eat dinner and socialize, but it’s how people CELEBRATE it. And it’s not a bad thing, spending time with your family during the Holidays is therapeutic. 

I would take you seriously, but you just keep calling names. No class. 

I’m not saying calling them ‘Holiday Cans’ diminishes the meaning of Christmas. I’m saying that calling them ‘Holiday Cans’ is just being an idiot because you are too politically correct. Think about it, it makes sense to call it a Christmas can (picture of Santa = Christmas tradition) based from pure logic and obviousness. Im not arguing about the War on Christmas, I’m talking about political correctness clouding the obvious. 

Yes, and the tax includes the free ride all religions are getting on the goverment that could go towards fixing some of these problems.  You brought up the shame angle my friend, not me.  How does the goverment involvement in this holiday lift your spirits?  Big religion is a business and should be taxed as such.  It seems the same folks who want to cut every service the goverment provides is okay with their favorite sky god getting a pass when the tax man comes around.  Not a very logical stance.

This whole pc-ness thing is just stupid. Christmas cans, holiday cans, who gives a hoot? I don’t. Christmas is a holiday after all and if you let your fear and loathing of pc-ness get in the way of everything, you will spoil Christmas for yourself and everyone else. It doesn’t matter, it’s just one damn can. There are lots and lots – and lots of “Merry Christmas” sayings elsewhere and we do not need to keep hammering away and screaming everywhere the words “happy holidays” are seen as if we are trying to get rid of a roach infestation! Christ is not getting killed by happy holidays!
So forget about the stupid coke cans and stop looking for every reason to cry about pc-ness or you will not truly enjoy Christmas or let others enjoy it.
Bury the stupid war on Christmas perception and put away the “We gotta stop all the pc-ness” for a while and just go on celebrating Christmas instead of trying to keep something going that never should’ve been started in the first place… Yes, this whole issue is trying very hard to ruin Christmas and it makes conservatives look like they have no real faith in Christ at all.

Clovis I’m as sick of your whining about religious taxes as I am of the far-right whinging about happy holidays. You are just as bad. Cram it and go move somewhere else, like maybe Cuba where your tax dollars will surely be put to better use according to you!

Whining seems to be your favorite word as your nails on a
chalkboard comments are rife with its use. 
Why don’t you have someone read my posts to you and help you decipher
the meaning?  I don’t care what you
celebrate or who you pray to; my objection is the tax breaks given to religious
organizations.   I also don’t hate religion, in the same way I
don’t hate astrology or palm reading.   The difference is those two areas of the
supernatural don’t get a tax break and don’t claim any exalted status when you
they are mocked, unlike religion.  If my
posts upset you so much, just skip them and go on with your important work on
commenting (no facts necessary) on every post and insulting those who don’t
share your wisdom.  You can hunt down the
origin of such noble traditions as the introduction of the sugarplum.

Whining seems to be your favorite word as your nails on a chalkboard comments are rife with its use. Why don’t you have someone read my posts to you and help you decipher the meaning?  I don’t care what you celebrate or who you pray to; my objection is the tax breaks given to religious organizations.   I also don’t hate religion, in the same way I don’t hate astrology or palm reading.   The difference is those two areas of the supernatural don’t get a tax break and don’t claim any exalted status when you they are mocked, unlike religion.  If my posts upset you so much, just skip them and go on with your important work on commenting (no facts necessary) on every post and insulting those who don’t share your wisdom.  You can hunt down the origin of such noble traditions as the introduction of the sugarplum.

Unlike the Christians who are so humble in comparison. Here are some examples of their brotherhood to man.

http://www.dangeroustalk.net/billboard-wars.html

Yes, we should take the example of all those non-political Christians and stay out of politics. It is not like a candidate for
president has stated that he will take his foreign policy lead from the bible or anything.  Also, why is push back on the supernatural always decried as anti-Christian? You do understand that there are other religions being practiced don’t you?

Ry DOOOSH … NOPE … Christmas trees are SECULAR  … 

IDIOT !

RyDOOOSH … NOPE .. AGAIN 

You are WRONG … Religion hates that secular Christmas is confused with religious Christmas ..

You better get someone smarter than you to get your talking points from

RyDOOOSH …so you are saying religious Christmas is trying to co opt Santa ? LOL!

Miss DOOOSH … how about you go to your local church  … 

they hate secular Christmas being lumped in with religious Christmas

Please shut up DOOOSH ….

US religions have tried to separate themselves from secular Christmas so there is no confusion …

Only pea brained idiots like yourself and Ry DOOOSH … want to mix secular Christmas and Religious Christmas

Good thing you IDIOTS only exist on the internet because organized religion would tell you to shut your trap …

Bill O”Reilly .. who has the IQ of a grapefruit … is being taken seriously about anything?  LOL!

He doesn’t even know that religious leaders from all religions want to be separated from secular Christmas.

They think it confuses their message …. 

What an IDIOT !

Josh Feldman

Your rhyming couplets were such a hoot to read. You made me smile several times

Thanks

Rick

Right, stupid lefty site, I’m sick of you, Clovis and your Christophobia. Take your hate some place else like Dailykos where you’ll be heartily welcomed.

No trees are secular. Trees can’t think for themselves therefore can’t decide if they want to be religious or secular. And trees are used by both secular and religious people so get used t it and let the Christians have their trees and shut up.

At work, I generally tell customers happy holidays just as a rule of thumb. I’m not trying to offend anyone, I’m not trying to not offend anyone…it’s all just exhausting. Christians are by far the majority religion in America. there’s never been a war on Christmas. There was a perceived slight picked up by your O’Reillys and Becks who just love to turn their side, even if in a vast majority, into a subjugated martyr. Frankly, I’ve noticed people of most religions like to invent themselves into a martyrdom, create some entity that somehow is trying to marginalize them. Where’s the “war on hanukah” in America? Nowhere, because Jews know they aren’t the majority in America, and they accept it. Still, if anyone had a right to feel subjugated, shouldn’t it be the minorities? To be the persecuted majority is impossible, but it does rile up the simple minded Fox News viewership, which was the point entirely.

Acdbeast, it’s Miss Capri, not Miss Doosh – get over the ‘doosh’ thing, it makes you look like a moron. An even bigger moron since I go to a local church every week for Christmas choir, and yes, one year we did a medley of songs that weren’t religious. So your idea just got shot all to heck. You can’t put all Christians into your little secular-hating box just because O’Rielly decides to be a dweeb of a Christmas killjoy every year.

No, Beast, you shut up, and I’m not even going to say please. You stupid religiophobes along with the O’reilly’s are both at fault for trying to kill the Christmas spirit. Go away.

And you’re mad about that CDABeast because you want to be taken seriously with your Christian-hating crap I suppose…

Yes, I’m so sick of Christians letting themselves get lead around by the nose into these faithless malarkey campaigns. http://cbcf.groupsite.com/discussion/topic/show/431234

Miss DOOOOSH …. Your Christian church can’t stand christian christmas is lumped together with secular christmas

They want secular christmas called something else

Oh, it’s CDA Beast again to make my inbox just a little more beastly.

Bleck.

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