Unnecessary outrage. The Biggest Catholic University in the country (at Illinois) and other organisations were doing the same thing.

CAVED again!

Thanks to the genius of Barack Obama and the knee-jerk reaction of religious zealots, the right-wing will soon be demanding a public health insurance option to preserve our freedoms. It will be an amazing spectacle to watch.

It appears that this is just a politician’s sleight-of-hand.  The universities and hospitals don’t have to “cover” contraception, but the insurers they engage for their employees’ health care plans have to provide it at no extra charge — in other words, for a bundled rate that the universities and hospitals pay.  That sounds like a 1-cent sale; the universities and hospitals pay a charge that will include “free” contraceptive care.  Now, let me tell you about the toothfairy . . .

If you think contraception is abortive, then you might be dumb. 

Women will have free preventive care that includes contraceptive services no matter where she works. Only lunatics believe you get things for free.There is nothing free,somebody pays.

 It’s karma, and just goes to reinforce the disdain secular Democrats have toward religion
Show me anywhere in the world where Marxism and religion existed side-by-side, there is none.
heh-heh

Under section 2174 of Barrycare, all 7-11s and Kwikee-Marts must provide free Slurpees ( medium only) to female voters till after the election.

This new law will save money for millions of Americans and ensure
Americans nationwide get the high-quality care they need to stay
healthy.

Yeah, those costs will just miraculously evaporate now. It’s market magic!

I’m surprised nobody’s yammering about the corporate welfare for Big Pharma.

And that somebody, at the end of the day, is you.

Obama caved. 

Deal with it

Obama doesn’t have the right to “compromise.” He was dead-wrong, and he knew it.
The President’s still going to mandate that health insurance companies pay for contraceptive coverage, so that’s not “compromising” on anything.

Do you know how many women would be turned off by this bs. Gash! How dumb can you be. The GOP just took the bait. 

You’d think free contraception would be a good thing since there are over 20 billion welfare and anchor babies in the US.

This was a stupid move. The tide was starting to turn in the White House’s favor with all those students/universities/colleges and women speaking out.

The thing is… The right wing HACKS will still keep saying that ‘Bama is a socialist. He’ll never win.

IT’S. NOT. FREE.
Someone ends up paying for it, either the insurance companies or the taxpayers. Any way you look at it, the government still DOES NOT have the authority to mandate that religious institutions provide it or that health insurance companies pay for it.

Really, how does this not provide free food for everyone? Do you know how many people will die if they can’t get food?

Nothing more to see here people. Please move along.

I, for one, look forward to the next wave of fake outrage from the wing nuts.

Right! But they would still have it covered. The Losers are the right wing, as they’d have turned off women voters and re-energized the young base. They took the bait without realizing it. 

Why is religious freedom applied differently depending on what religion you belong to?  Why are the dominant faiths allowed to behave arbitrarily and without consistency on these issues?

I’m a liberal, but I actually agree with the idea that religious institutions shouldn’t be forced to offer birth control if they don’t want to.  However, women employed by those institutions should still have access to it if they want it. So this seems like a reasonable compromise to me.  

I wouldn’t call that caving.  This is just how politics SHOULD work when reasonable parties are involved–i.e. they come to a compromise that suits everyone.  Republicans in congress could learn from this, rather than stamping their feet and refusing to give an inch on so many issues like they so often do. 

This is how you lead.

Even when Obama steps in it big time, you sheep still think he’s a genius!

LMAO!

I think this is the best thing you can do. Even though it was faux outrage from religious leaders, who don’t represt the people they were fighting for. Followers of catholicism aren’t as archaic as the leaders.

Big Pharma only works when a Republican is in charge. Notice how the Democrats didn’t give a damn that the insurance/drug companies were lining up in support of ObamaCare?

” but her insurance company will be required to offer contraceptive care free of charge.”

Here’s an idea – have the insurance company offer all care free of charge!  What is government doing telling insurance companies what they have to offer for free?

Don’t be dumb! I supported the mandate. 

Obama caved to the religious nuts

Are we having a Disqus glitch or does Mediaite now block links from being posted? 

This was not fake outrage. You’re just simply too ignorant to care about overreaching government power.

The “Ground Zero Mosque” was phony outrage. Obama “gutting the military” was phony outrage. 

This entire, unconstitutional healthcare law is NOT phony outrage.

How so? From my understanding, the most important aspect is still preserved: women will get access to contraceptives through their insurance. 

So now it IS a matter of “religious liberty” AND of making church entities foot the bill for contraception rather than just those mean ole insurance companies.

I suppose the media will carry on as though they never suggested otherwise and never obscured the abstracts.

Well! The coverage is there, regardless who pays for it. But this just shows why some religious people can be embarrassing, equating pills and other contraception is what makes Atheist mock religious people for being dumb. 

Show me anywhere in the world where Obama is a Marxist. “there is none heh-heh” 

Yeah. They blocked one from me earlier.

Maybe King Obama issued a Royal Decree on links now.

except, is my understanding, that insurer’s will gladly “give” this rider away, as it will save them far more in claims than the cost of contraceptives will cost them.

tooth fairies too, when baby teeth trade at above the buck.

Obama can be annoying but he is no fool. He is playing the Republicans like a fiddle. Now that he said religious organisations don’t have to provide contraceptives, they can’t talk about religiious liberty. But, right on cue, they will find themselves defending the insurance companies against women’s health. Since almost all women use contraceptives at some point, this is going to be politically damaging for the Republicans. Surely, they should have seen this coming a mile off? You have to admire the man’s poltical gamesmanship. 

In 2014, you’ll be demanding for a public health insurance option as a way to fight the tyrant dictator Obama.

He’s a master manipulator, even you would say so (Saul Alinsky, anyone?). You also say he thinks he’s Christ-like, right? Well, he’s not above sacrificing himself for the greater good (or as your put it, stepping in it big time).

See you in 2014, demanding the public option!

Only in the mind of the “conservative” scum bags is our President a Marxist.

The only sheep I see is coming from the right.  Obama still got what he wanted.

If this is his policy, why is the loony left mad at the conservatives? Just like people complaining about the “Bush” tax cuts. OBAMA signed the same tax policy. He put out a policy & the people that believe a religious organization should have their views protected were upset. SO he compromised… Blame him not the right. 

I absolutely agree that this is working out to Obama’s advantage. Some Republican males don’t understand that Republican and independent females like the idea of having greater access to birth control, like women do in nearly every developed country. This issue has nothing to do with abortion and has everything to do with more women having more control over when they have children. The more the GOP plays this issue up, the more women pay attention to what’s going on. 

 ”Someone ends up paying for it”

pretty sure everyone understands this, and yet the word “free” can still be used honestly.

Looks like the flip flopper in chief got owned…again. What a leader this empty suit has become…hahaha now the lame stream media will come to his aid and start spewing what a brilliant move this was!!
This clown would sell out the Country for his own personal political expediency!! oh wait..never mind!!

No crap, snaptie. This is an issue of values. The population values having highways, law enforcement, and safe food, and so these things are paid for through taxes. The majority of Americans voted for Obama in 2008 when he ran on implementing healthcare reform. They signaled they valued healthcare reform and were willing to pay for it when they gave him the job. You’re going to have to come to terms with that at some point, especially after he wins again in 2012. 

What’s “Marxism” anyway?  It really doesn’t exist.  There are a whole slew of political ideologies influenced by the writings of Marx, but I don’t think there is any place in the world at the moment which is practicing any unified thing called “Marxism.”

Heck, even Marx, throughout his life, varied at times as to what “Marxism” is.  His earlier writings, for example, are very different than his later writings–and at the end of his life he even declared himself not a Marxist at one point after he saw how certain people were using his writings.

Which is the thing with conservatives.  They don’t know the first f&^*ing thing about Marx or his writings, yet they label everyone a “Marxist” like the term actually means something.  

Sure.

What I really want to know is when will our POTUS force everyone to wear shoes! When people do not do that their feet is nasty looking & the potential for stepping on something sharp is a constant danger. We need a force people to pay for everyone else to have shoes. If they do not then they will be “fined” (not taxed but fined) a total of $150. This is an overlooked problem that has been going on since cavemen (or Adam and Eve). 

 
Obama Believes “Our Constitution is Fundamentally Flawed “— October 27, 2008

 Barbara Walters said it right, all these peripheral issues come up during the campaign, but when people come to the voting booth, folks only care about the economy. Why don’t these journalists put the politicians feet to the fire and inquire what each and every candidate will do about this economy?

Why propose further amendments to the constitution if there is nothing wrong with it.

I think that you are right, there is hardly different than his original mandate.  It is just paraphrased differently it will be interesting to see how the church reacts, since it can be presumed that these services are only available to policy holders then this is little more than as you say sleight of hand, basically nothing has changed.  The Church will still be asked to pay for coverage which includes these services but the president can now claim that it is not part of the policy that the church is paying for which is deceitful, if the Church did not provide coverage then the coverage would not be extended so yes the government is still dictating that the Church provide the coverage in their policies…  I think that the prez will have to do better than this for this conversation to go away.  

So you’re trying to save some face for the president by suggesting that women and practicing Catholics were merely political pawns for his partisan chess game, and that he’d get people in an uproar in order to play it.

Evidently, “skyfet” is Tommy Christopher’s other nom de plume..

as a democrat….i knew this would obviously happen….any admistration that wants to take on religion has to tread carefully.

This country is at the tipping point, where we have almost as many takers as makers. If Obama is elected the money will stop flowing. The makers can defer salaries.

How progressive of our President.Bravo. I think condoms should be covered also.

Good question.

IMO, contraceptives aren’t an inalienable right the same way many parts of health care are. I get the long-term gain of providing it (as it is actually financial and social,) but I think people need to stop the “women deserve a right to contraception” game. It’s making liberals look like the self-entitled jabornis everybody accuses them of being. As for this compromise, it really works. It eliminates the stigma attached to his previous mandate. People need to stop accusing the president of caving, too; this compromise is good. He’s not your personal cultural warrior, he’s the president of everybody in the country.

Wishy-washee community organizer

Save face? Obama is a wizard.

That’s the view of the world you get when you primarily get your news from radio rants, blogs and the same small group of people you’ve always talked to. Historically, people said we were at the tipping point when the “Marxists” FDR and Kennedy were elected. LBJ was practically called Hitler. And yet, somehow, the United States still exists and a couple of those presidents were even liked enough to be put onto coins. You’re on the wrong side of history, snaptie. 

Yup. Look how he made his Catholic support disappear!

 Really? You seem just to ignorant to care about the overreaching of power the Catholic Religion seems to think it has.

Ummm….these folks apparently never looked at their pay stubs for what’s deducted, do they?

–Cobra

 You seem very jealous.

Yeah, the Supreme Court always get into these phony outrage things.

so you turn to the MSM, NYTimes, and other “unbiased” rags? 

Right? Screw No Child Left Behind. The King doesn’t like it, so off it goes.

I’m just glad he’s keeping his principled stance regarding Super Pacs…oh, never-mind. 

Yep. And the world is his chess game.

He is a socialist> What don’t you get about dictating to people how they should live, work (if they can find a job in his rotten economy), or think? That is what this creep does to this country. 

I think you are right that the tide was starting to turn, and it will continue to turn, but this is no issue to fool with and Obama did well by his moderation.

If 98% of women use birth control, access clearly isn’t a problem that needs a federal mandate to solve it.

as in evil wizard. He is evil, you know. Truly…

they can access it all they want. Just don’t make churches pay for something that goes against their ethics, morals, and doctrines. And, of course, why would a woman want to murder her baby anyway? 

Bet you are not Catholic. I am. I am not archaic. I follow Jesus’ teachings, among which is “Thou shalt not murder.” Archaic? Nope. Truth.

I’ll tell you this much. News services that employ hundreds of reporters from all over the world, with professionally trained associate and managing editors–newspapers that have policies in place about not reporting something unless it’s confirmed by multiple independent sources (like NYT, WaPo, Reuters, Bloomberg, AFP, WSJ, Economist, Financial Times, LA Times, Miami Herald, Le Monde, etc, etc, etc) are much more reliable than some blog a dude writes from his living room, or the National Esquire-meets-New York Post that Andrew Breitbart maintains. 

Notice too that I included MSM sources that slant both ways. 

“He’ll never win”

Sure he will.  Just wait until November when he wins his second term.

 No they’ll be demanding a new President – and they’re likely to get one!

 Maybe I’ve missed the complaints from Catholic congressmen and senators.about the contraception component of their current health care coverage.

In other words nothing has changed.
We will just pretend it’s not the same thing.
It’s sort of like when the POTUS said Obamacare would pay for abortion to satisfy the “Blue Dogs” but then it sort of pays for it anyway.

It’s just a word game.

If you read the article, you’ll see that’s no longer an issue. I’m for greater access to birth control but I also agree that forcing churches to pay for it isn’t the best means to an end. I think the Right has a point this time, from the perspective of the church (not from the perspective of women), but I think the compromise resolves the problem.

 I suspect GOP leaders and Frank Luntz are currently texting each other to establish a new attack on what many will see as a reasonable compromise that unburdens Catholic institutions from moral dilemmas.

Perhaps old Frank can find a way to twist this into an all out assault on insurance companies by the “socialist” Obama administration. Or he could spin it to be another step toward European style socialism by dictating to insurance companies.

Hey, whatever it takes to make the president look bad and also give Fox News another wedge issue to help connect with and attract more right wing zealots.

You see whats happening at the CPAC meeting……talk about sheep… 

Most Catholics are Democrats. The church leans toward socialism, but not when the socialists starts trying to control them.  I think they (the Church) have the right to reject the government trying to dictate to them what they have to do.  This country was founded on Religious Freedoms, including your right to not to believe in any God. 

Like the clerk at the health insurance company will dictate to you …when you get sick…good luck with that…

Well, then how far away are we from forcing all Doctors to treat patients for free and will just bypass all the junk that gets in the way?  Oh wait, that’s Obama care.  All Doctors will get paychecks from the government and all workers will make the same, whether their Doctors, Teachers or Janitors because that’s what the OWS protesters and Obama are all about. It’s going to be a liberal land utopia.  

After his dictatorial mandate destroying the religious individual human liberty to treat human life as sacred was ill received by Christians, President Obama entered into negotiations with President Obama, and after much debate and compromise, President Obama has announced that President Obama and President Obama have reached an accommodation which will be acceptable.

Who’s going to pay for this? “NOTHING IS FREE” except to Obama supporters…

Every statement Obama makes has an expiration date attached..

D L wrote:This entire, unconstitutional healthcare law is NOT phony outrage.

I do believe the only part of Obamacare that has a chance in the SCOTUS is the state mandates to participate in (i.e., pay into) the plan.

I could be wrong, but I doubt much else will be successfully challenged. Unless you happen to be super wealthy, I would keep an open mind about Obamacare. There are some provisions that have widespread acceptance and even praise like protecting those with preexisting conditions.

You’ve got it completely ass-backwards. This is a brilliant move: 1. It forces Republicans to move even closer to the Catholic bishops against ALL contraception – a sure-fire winning issue for Obama. 2. It actually EXPANDS the number of women who will now be able to secure free contraceptives. Some of the states that SUPERFICIALLY appear to provide no exemption in FACT do so thru a back-door finesse: by not providing any coverage at all for prescription medicines. Example: George (Lawrence O’Donnell talked about this last night on his show.) This new directive eliminates that back-door finesse to get around zero exemptions: now what will happens is that for any employer who provides health care insurance coverage, the insurer must provide a zero co-pay rider – an automatic rider, that is, applicable regardless of other coverage – for women to obtain contraceptives free of charge. Again; zero co-pay, free of charge, regardless of the nature of group coverage provided otherwise under the employer-insurer negotiated plan.  

Bottom line: Obama has won this one, big time – & the wins will just keep on coming.

Yet another BS attempt by the right to paint a middle of the road Obama plan as radical.
Give up. It only resonates with a small percent of Americans who would never vote for Obama anyway.  Who’s the real radical ?  BTW – any republican who’s outraged at this affront to the Catholic Church ?This is the same Catholic Church that supports universal health care. 
Whoops.

I do tend to forget just how common it is in some circles to be just okey dokey with the concept of using anyone and anything in order to finesse your opponents and get what you want.

Well then…I’m glad to see the federally funded Catholic Church’s feelings won’t be hurt.

Now they can go back to mass abusing little boys and lie to the Federal Government about it.

For a moment there,I was really moved by their outrage on this moral issue…..

A fundamental flaw isn’t something you fix with a tweak.

Remember Nancy Piglosi’s famous remarks on Obamacare, we have to pass it to see what’s in it?
Well,Obamacare started out at a little over 2,000 pages, now the regulations without any congressional oversight has topped 30,000 pages. When did we become a country of bureaucrats with no elected representation?

The church isn’t providing their coverage, so there isn’t an issue there.

The good thing to come out of all of this is the public’s distrust of Democrats to protect their religious freedom – even if the President was FORCED to CAVE! (again!, heh-heh)

The GOP must run ads in battleground states driving that single issue home for November.It’s going to be hard winning a second term…when God is against you!
lmao!

Ha! He didn’t cave – he doubled down! This new directive covers MORE women, not less. Plus he’s got the GOP NOMination contestants falling all over themselves in sucking up to the Catholic bishops. 

Now watch for what the Catholic bishops do. This adjustment puts them between a rock & a hard place, not just on the issue, not just with women, but with their own constituency. The Obama administration already pre-cleared this move with a number of key Catholic organizations, & they’ve already come out publicly in support of it. 

How did this happen so quickly? I mean, it’s only been since Tuesday that this controversy erupted. Two possibilities: 1. Yes, the Obama White House is able to move THIS FAST in defusing a situation & turning it to their advantage, or 2. This was the plan all along. I leave the choice to you.

 Is that why he CAVED?
lol

What do you mean? Socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money.

‘caved’???  He just got exactly what he wanted. 

I think all the ‘haters’ have just been played. They ask the question ‘Why
didn’t the WH do this three weeks ago?’ and then they answer the question in
their own mind and say ‘the WH flubbed the messaging!’ and then go on to tout
how smart THEY all are. ALWAYS denigrating the intelligence in the WH with their
own ‘pundit’ smarts. I think the White House just spent three weeks showing the
intransigence of the Catholic Church, the side taking of the GOP and the
bloggers self satisfaction with their OWN views. And they said he wouldn’t be a
‘teaching President’. I think the President just got exactly what he
wanted.

No, he didn’t “cave.”  You must be  unaware of the issue, my friend.  Women will still get preventive services, but the cost will be paid by the robber barons…INSURANCE COMPANIES! 

You see, the problem with right wing nuts…. no room for compromise, as stated by the leader of the tea baggers just yesterday at their racist conference.  It is so refreshing to have an INTELLIGENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, a man who is willing to evaluate both sides of an issue.

OMG, remember the last president’s lack of analysis on issues…..economic depression and war.  Thank God, we finaly have a THINKER  in the White House.   

I’ll submit:
When the Democrats turned a vibrant nation into a third-world welfare state; where Democratic voters can stay at home having fatherless baby broods, while being supported throughout their lifetimes by working-class taxpayer monies?

It’s just a guess.

 obozocare isn’t about healthcare. It’s about lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist CONTROL of one-sixth of the US economy, lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist WEALTH AND INCOME RE-DISTRIBUTION, lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist EXPANSION OF ABORTIONS WITH TAXPAYER MONEY, lunatic-left destruction of the Catholic Religion and every other Christian religion that opposed it’s dictates and unlimited lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist NANNY STATE COMMANDS and RULES for the American people.

In addition to being an insult to the US Constitution, obozocare is an affront to the American people. It must be removed, along with each and every lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist that supports it.

Our new president, along with the new Republican controlled House and Senate must, as their  first official act, repeal obozocare, then tear it up into a million pieces, burn the pieces, bury the ashes and cover the burial site with 1000 tons of concrete.

Nando – can you update with the pro-life’s position on this?  I have seen nothing to state that this so-called “compromise” was accepted.

Also, nothing is free – seems like just a word change without any substantive change at all.

Its amazing to me how both parties always claim to try and stay out of social issues, but inevitably instead of important things like economics, and foreign policy both parties get pulled back into social     issues. It never fails. It appears as if this is the right wings attack plan. I remember in 2010 the tea party claimed that they were going to stay away from this sort of thing. And here we go. Every freaking single time, reproductive rights, womens health, abortion, Gay issues. Always the same. I really don’t think these things have any impact on the majority of the electorate. Roe v Wade is not going anywhere and it never will. So then we get into micro-issues such as this.  Its so depressing.

OMG, read the decision…this takes nothing away from women.  No wonder the president is  pushing education in this country.

Lots of fair comment in your comment, Jack, but I’m inclined to disagree with the last bit: I actually think Obama does not WANT this conversation to go away. What would be ideal for him is for the Republican nomination survivors to go ballistic on this today & tomorrow at C-PAC, & then the Catholic bishops to ramp up the noise machine for no practical reason, & the entire fake controversy to reverberate all the way to November. Forget 11 dimensional chess – this is all about the ability of the Obama re-election campaign folks to read polling – & David Plouffe in particular already proved in 2008 that he’s a genius at that. There’s a divide between the bishops & the flock – the flock not only flaunts their use of contraceptives, they flaunt their far greater understanding of the practicalities. Since this latest move takes away the very basis of the Catholic bishops’ PURPORTED objection, they’re now forced to go to what they’re really after: elimination of all resort to contraceptives to everyone. THAT’S the conversation that the Obama team is after having. And there’s a pretty fair chance they’re going to get it, given how Santorum is forcing Romney & Gingrich towards his extreme position. 

I think Obama & the Dems are going to just love the smell of electoral napalm on the morning of November 7.

I doubt blacks in this country considered the 13th amendment a tweak. But you can take it up with them Pablo.

I’ll take #2.  Look who the conservatives are now touting over?  I love it.  I’m so gald someone on this site is smart besides me.  Ha!

He didn’t cave. He listened. He saw there was an objection and he and his staff overcame that objection. Deal with the fact that he is a very good president.

Agreed. Obama has learned to take advantage of the reactionary right. They can’t help shooting their wad immediately over some perceived Obama misstep, without thinking how it could hurt them later.
They’ll step into this punch every time no matter how many times it lands this year.
It’s called desperation. Fun to watch !
Way to go Obama !

George Bush was the president elected to carry out the pro-life stance. Obama was elected to carry out the pro-choice stance.

Yeah, a lot of racism, homophobia, hatin’, and mean-spirited rhetoric. 

Wait. I thought Obama was a Nazi Marxist who never compromises? Guess that’s republicans.

“The makers can defer salaries.” 
That’s already happened. The percentage of retained income among the 0.1% is already at record highs. So that’s not news; it’s been going on since Reagan was sworn into office in 1981.  

But what happens when a huge portion of otherwise-available liquidity is tied up in mostly low-yield U.S. bonds is this: 1. the Fed can remedy liquidity with quantitative easing, which we’ll see a lot of  just as soon as Obama is re-elected, and 2. the “main street” part of economy itself can respond with alternatives, which pretty obviously is already happening. 

Same thing has happened recently in China. The banking system there, officially at least, is 100% under government control. But underground banking systems have arisen in several of the Chinese provinces, particularly in ones with large urban manufacturing aimed at filling domestic demand. And that’s with ZERO contribution or encouragement from the Chinese government & official banking system. Nature, it seems, finds a way.

This ain’t over folks….LOL

Watch out, Mencius: No Bits is about to push the starter button on his sit-down lawn mower.

still batshit huh….ok.

 Why? Has Sarah Palin not posted on Facebook yet?

“Thank you” Mr Dictator Supreme.

-The OBAMA 0ath – HARM first and always, then LIE about it-

The nice thing about private companies is that you can tell them to F themselves, sue them or both.

Why in the world would any woman vote for a republican?

yup

Right – he caved . So  the chorus of gratitude from the Repubs will be forthcoming…..when ?

Catholic support dissappear? I suppose that was your hope, but no. Even though two of the three leading repub candidates are Catholic, most are fine with woman making their own choices about birth control.

And that’s just the stuff you imagined!

It won’t be the taxpayers, because despite all the con hype, Obamacare isn’t a government-outlay plan, just a government enforcement plan. It in fact COULD be the insurance companies that end up paying for this, because according to their actuarial numbers, they actually can GAIN in profits from lowering the numbers of preventable unwanted pregnancies. But it makes sense to me that at least some of these costs are going to be passed on to employers in form of premium costs – except that large employers are not dumb: if they see that the insurers are reaping higher profits from this policy, they will insist on negotiating LOWER not higher premiums. So in the end, the real ‘price’ will be paid in the lowering of the overall number of unplanned births.  That’s a form of de-leveraging we should all be getting behind – & now to find a way to get that same de-leveraging effect to extend down into the uninsured.

there’s no such thing as a free lunch

No, objecting to being told to violate their beliefs is not an overreach of power.

Thank God(dad) for Jesus then. Otherwise, we’d all be out murdering one another. Hope you shun menstruating women and stay away from shellfish as well. Or is it just what Jesus said that you follow!? Deary me.

First he plays class warfare… Now more social reform… How could anyone vote for this guy he is the most polarizing president ever and he continues to pander to his base and not lead this country out of its financial woes….. A vote for BHO is a vote for failure

As if the right doesn’t pander to its base. Get real.

Isn’t this really just a shell game, or bait and switch or something? I don’t see how they say *free* and people don’t think about where the money will actually come from.

Red wine prevents heart disease, good sleep might prevent Alzheimer’s, flossing and brushing prevents heart disease, and tooth loss, healthy food prevents all kind of health problems, helmets prevents head injuries, and sun block prevents skin cancer. Can I get free wine, mattresses, toothbrushes and paste, food, helmets and sunscreen? 

He has conned the American people once again. The abortions and contraceptives will this time be paid for by insurance companies.. BTW, his comprimise, he does not even have the legal authority to make a coprimise on something that is not legal for him to edite. He just keeps conning you people(sheep).

 Once again, Obamananny has skirted the issue.

If the plan offers it in any shape or form….No matter WHO pays for it….It ain‘t gonna’ work.
Conscientious belief cannot be compromised.

Imagined? 

Turn on the telly, oh it’s too late to hear about the two white supremacists invited by the GOP to serve on panels at CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference. 

Hey, try to keep up.  

Make social issues the central issue of the 2012 campaign. We welcome it.

P.S.
The bold/strong tags was disabled under the old Mediate comment system because they were being overused by a poster name Latin2. I suspect your continued trollish use of them will result in the same thing happening here.

The cost of some condoms or even a tubal ligation versus 2 or 3 kids who grow up in an atmosphere that will likely see them on welfare.  You tell me which one cost the taxpayers more.

Sorry, I didn’t see your post demanding that the troops come home and stop “murdering” the people of Afghanistan or your post on the removal of capital punishment as it also “murders” people.  Thanks for following Jesus’ teachings on those matters!

So the church organization won’t have to provide the coverage, but their insurance company will.  

This has to be the Onion, right?

Churches were exempt. A religious affiliated or run org. is not a church. If they are conducting business, they operate under the same laws everyone else follows.

I’d get your KEYBOARD CHECKED OUT.  It seems that the CAPS KEY MUST get stuck NOW AND AGAIN.

Not like this cat… he has been pandering and campaigning since day one. Name one decision he made that wasn’t left leaning? Excluding the no brainer “go get obl” that was left leaning too … he knew he couldnt not do it or he would be another clinton… someone handed OBL who did nothing

It’s the same thing. Health Insurance company have to pay for the coverage directly but the religious institution are still paying insurance companies for the “free” part as part of their employees package. There’s no such thing as free, someone is paying for it.

Can you find me one person on the left that has used the term “class warfare”?  Seems awfully funny that we’re having this war but it’s only one side thats aware of it occuring (or believes it needs actual attention).  How exactly is he the most polarizing president ever if his approval ratings are scratching 50% and are now better than both Bushes for the majority of their terms?

Social issues will certainly play a part in the demise of the emperor….but not entirely.
He has failed at everything.
P.S.
I appreciate your concerns that my glorious self could be banned for using the bold tag…..but by “snarkly” accusing me of  “trollish behavior” indeed makes you the troll
Attacks are what they do
:)

The President of the United States has just declared that private companies will hand over goods and services to private citizens.  There has been no law passed, no vote.  No trial and guilty verdict demanding restitution.  And the mostly liberal people here, and the media, are just fine with that.

I’ll make a logical statement here that I realize may be hard to follow for some:  If you let the President be King because he’s doing things you like, you have no right to complain when this President–or another–acts like a king doing things you don’t like.

Listen MoFo – this has nothing to do with Bush.  I asked a question about the other side (all the dems/republicans/religions who oppose this travesty) and how they felt about this so-called compromise, which is not  compromise at all, but a word shift with the same meaning.

Epic fail on Obama’s part….no surprise there, for sure.

You fool…who will pay the “robber barons”? We will pay. Further…I know you are too stupid to understand this, but birth control is not an element of insurance. 

Says Joe Biden in a slight Indian accent. 

 ” Now watch for what the Catholic bishops do. This adjustment puts them between a rock & a hard place, not just on the issue, not just with women, but with their own constituency. ”

This is not going to be another cave like Komen. The bishops will not compromise. Obama and people like you may think this is a winner politically but that is not the church’s motives.

The government tried to get the church to back gay couples adopting. They did not cave. Whether that hurt them politically was not a concern. The same will happen here. This is from a N.Y.T. article that disquis will not let me link to….

” The bishops have followed colleagues in Washington, D.C., and Massachusetts who had jettisoned their adoption services rather than comply with nondiscrimination laws. ”

I think Obama will cave eventually . The republicans are united on this along with a handful of dems and a few lib pundits. You may be right that this is a winner for Obama but you have no idea what you are talking about if you think the church will cave.

You know why it’s FREE preventive care? Because the actual care would be much more expensive if you fail to PREVENT diseases at an early stage.

All it forces the GOP to do is move closer to the constitution, giving the base something to rally behind..while stealing the Catholic vote that Obama had in 2008…..but other then that, your absolutely right….it was a brilliant move and a huge win for Obama..

Considering that liberals are the wealthiest demographic and socialist red states mooch federal dollars from blue states, it’s most likely liberals and blue states paying for it’

“”According to a 2004 study by the Pew Research Center, of those who identified as liberal, 49% were college graduates and 41% had household incomes exceeding $75,000, compared to 27% and 28% as the national average, respectively”"

Irresponsible women need birth control to negate their promiscuity.

Probably the same irresponsible women are irresponsible because they screwed up their minds with drugs.

So, the President should go for a twofer: Mandate free drugs and free contraception or abortion pills.

And while he is such a generous mood with tax-payers`s money, might as well throw in free booze and cigarettes.
 

The point of an exemption is simply to enable an employer to avoid acting contrary to his or her religious beliefs, not to retain control of employees’ health plans, limit employees’ choices to those religiously approved by the employer, and avoid paying any money to anybody that might someday be used by somebody to provide services to employees not to the employers’ liking.

 Hey, if you drones want to serve us than by all means.

 LOL. A simple response from a simple mind. Hilarious!

“if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby”—–Barack Hussein Obama…mmm mmm mmm

 Take the barbaric cult of Islam for example. If its members where allowed to practice their full religious freedom, you would see women buried up to their head and have stones thrown at them till death because she committed the sin of speaking without being spoken to first.

Or, you would see a wife getting her head chopped off because she decided to not wear her Hijab. 

It’s all about violence. The more violence your cult indorses, the less freedom you have to express it.

Yes. Hilarious.

Obama is a joke

Now that is something you should be bothered by. Obama is being a hypocrite on this one.

This really isn’t that hard. Get mad about the real stuff and ignore the silly stuff. People will take you seriously then.

You’re welcome in advance.

Obama is so ignorant. It was never about who paid for the contraceptives it was the contraceptives themselves. man, is he dense.

Next Obama will ask religious organizations to pay for  pamplets denying the existence of God. When the religious organiazations complain, Obama will announce an “accommodation” where the organizations don’t have to pay for the pamphlets   but just make them available to their employees.

Don’t you have some not having a job to do instead of wasting your time chatting me up?

That may be, but we should have a constitutional basis for denying them their religious liberty.

 When are you guys going to get it right?  He’s not a socialist.  What you and your ilk have actually been describing, for going on four years now, is called Totalitarianism.  There: now you guys won’t sound so ridiculously stupid.

Your Welcome.

 So’s your momma, but there’s no need to make such a pointless remark online.

Glib observation from a guy covered in Santorum.

You’re right on target, remember: What the King gives, the King can take away!

You can’t trust this “King”; his word is worthless!

(If he wins a second term, he’ll just do a “take away.”)

If it is so pointless why did you get your depends in a bunch d bag

Wipe that white stuff off your chin

 Phew. Must be nice to have stayed married to your one virgin sweetheart since, what, like 1950?  And either you never had daughters or granddaughters or nieces … or slutty daughters-in-law … or they got hooked up w/ that ganja goo-goo before they started doin’ the horizontal howdy-do.

 So … you and “Corn_Holio,” huh?  Now we know where it came from.

 In all seriousness … not requiring bold or caps, BTW … if “conscientious belief cannot be compromised,” then the Church has clear options available to it.  Always has.  They can choose to employ and otherwise operate with only those who are members of their orthodox religious community.

Nobody — no person, no law, nothing — requires any religious institution to participate in or reach out to people or other institutions that are not part of their religious community.  The law, as it was already written, did NOT require religious employers to offer contraceptive services. NO implementation period, nothing.

The problem is that the Roman Catholic Church wants to be, and is, a very active participant outside its religious community; and wants to be, and is, involved in the broader secular world in which we all live.  Yet it demands special accommodation for its “conscientious belief” from the government — i.e. all of the rest of us — while it refuses to accommodate its non-Catholic employees.

No, if it refuses to exercise orthodox purity, the Catholic Church also is NOT exercising “conscientious belief.”

No man, “you are dense.”

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge (in the strictest sense) so, whether or not you possess the intelligence to understand it, your lack of knowledge about the facts of this issue is ignorance.

The law, as it was already written, did NOT require religious employers
to offer contraceptive services. NO implementation period, nothing.  Problem is, the Roman Catholic Church is not only a “religious employer.”  It is a very, very big employer of non-Catholic, non-Christian, and non-Religious people.  But it doesn’t want to have to play by the same rules as other non-religious employers.

It isn’t about contraception at all. It’s about the Roman Catholic Church — almost exclusively — not wanting to be required to limit its involvement in the lives of non-Catholics.

Good Job Mr. President.  

 No, you’re dense.  This wasn’t about the contraceptives.  This was about dividing Republican women and galvanizing independent & liberal women.  Now the Republicans look like the Party that hates women and Obama looks like the only one that cares about the fairer sex.  Hook, line, sinker, checkmate.  Obama not only secured the female vote but he also made sure they will vote in droves for him and against Republicans. 

 How is he a joke?  He just tricked the Republican Party into taking a position that makes it appear as if they hate women.  Now women (which make up the majority of the American population) will be galvanized to vote for the Democrats and against the Republicans.

 Problem is that these “screwed up women” make up the majority of the American population and by taking on a position that you just posted, the Republican Party has just become the enemy of that population.

 The Catholic hierarchy?  Um, in America, we don’t care about the Catholic hierarchy.  That’s why only 1 Catholic has ever become POTUS, and things didn’t end too well for him.

 I thought the economy was the main issue?  Now you guys are reverting to social issues?  You sure you want to do that with a Mormon nominee?

 It was a bait alright.  Obama just made Republicans the enemy of women.  This is just like Bush in 2004 when he played the gay card to beat Kerry.  This is how incumbents tend to repeat.  They get to set the agenda and the other side has no choice but to take the wrong side on a wedge issue.

I’ve had many free lunches.  Usually by women on the rebound.  Trust me, it works.

 That’s the oath of every POTUS, why call out Obama for doing it when everyone else does it as well?

 If the Republicans bring this up again, they will dig their hole even deeper.  This issue was settled in 1957.  The very fact the Republicans are opposing it in 2012 shows that they haven’t learned from history at all.

 By distrust of Democrats, do you mean the Republicans alienating the vast majority of the women who are sexually active and don’t want to have a baby?

By “CAVED”, do you mean things will be exactly how they were before but now the Republicans have made it clear that they are the enemy of women?

Just admit it, Obama baited the Republicans into taking the wrong side of a wedge issue.

Only Catholics would oppose this and polls show that 50% of Catholic women are on BC.  Guess what, Obama just forced the Republicans into the wrong side of a wedge issue.

 Nothing has changed but Republicans have made it clear that they are against women.  That’s 50.8% of the U.S. population.

Agree he is a trickster. Not in this case but look at all the B.S. he served up that gullible voters ate up when he got elected. In 2008 his mantra was ” yes we can” in 2012 it is ” why we can’t” his ” compromise will not fly and it is a typical Obama solution. Not thought out. Guess he forgot to bring the insurance industry on board. And who do you think will wind up paying for this latest move to a socialistic society us. Of course that assumes you are not part of the 40 some percent who pay no feudal income tax. I really think your more of a gerbil.

This was no compromise at all – it was a word shift and smarter heads have prevailed – EPIC FAIL.  Obama’s so-called compromise is not accepted.

Then what are the Republicans for falling for this trick?

The majority of Americans voted for Obama in 2008 when he ran on …
* closing Gitmo
* ending domestic surveillance
* “what I’ve proposed is a net spending cut”
* a health care plan that did not include an individual mandate
* a health care plan that did not treat health benefits as taxable income
* having unemployment down to 5% by 2012
* refusing to use the “less credible” method of recess appointments
* outlawing signing statements

Obama 2012:  If you can promise it, I can break it!

Thanks for throwing Reuters into your list, Mencius. Their piece on Rubio last week singlehandedly makes your post irrelevant!

We can only hope!

You spell that with a capitol “L”.

It is time to wake up and smell the coffee. Obama’s political views are sprouted from the seeds of  the true spirit of America.  The spirit of America is looking after the weak , poor, and unpopular while investing in new ideas and technology to remain  competitive and strong in the world.  His policy on abortion is rooted in the core principle of respecting the nature (gender) of being a woman. You know the loving human-being that man-kind is flourished through. She has rights…if she makes a mistake and sleeps with the wrong guy or is raped or just wants to explore her own sexuality without the risk of pregnancy (stop faking guys, you cannot have your cake and eat it to), then that is her right!  So, Obama is allowing women to exercise that right.  Okay, why should government or businesses pay for her exercising that right should she choose to. Because it is in the best interest of government and businesses by contributing to women’s health. Listen, I do not agree with Obama on everything but in my opinion, he got right on this one.  I do not believe in abortion. I am a man and most men do  not! But do not knock someone else because they do or believe that women should be denied their right to choose.  What if someone told me, I could only have sex if I intented to have a baby.  I would feel oppressed and I do not think that is right.