You have to hand it to CNN and CNN International. They are always right in the middle of breaking news, wherever it occurs. No wire service report reading. Makes me feel much more comfortable about the information I am receiving.

Almost all of the Middle East can be on fire and no one here would care. All we hear is violence out of that region, day in and day out.

TangledThorns said:
Almost all of the Middle East can be on fire and no one here would care. All we hear is violence out of that region, day in and day out.

We hear a great del about snow in the Northeast Corridor as well. But, you are wrong. If you go to a true news source and not a political commentary source, you will hear the situation discussed at length. BBC, CNN, NPR have dealt extensively with it. “Morning Joe” discussed it. We even have a thread here about it.

Was this the same Egypt the Biden was praising the other day?

Watch Joe Biden’s Awful Coddling of Dictator Hosni Mubarak

http://wonkette.com/436398/watch-joe-bidens-awful-coddling-of-dictator-hosni-mubarak

This is peanuts. They’ve shut down the internet, cell service, sms, everything. They don’t want people talking to each other and they don’t want information getting out.

Hey, let’s give our government a kill switch for the internet!

I thought the Egyptians were American ally.

Fox has Greg Palkot reporting from Cairo, his cameraman still unmolested.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4514848/violent-protests-escalate-in-egypt

TangledThorns said:
Almost all of the Middle East can be on fire and no one here would care. All we hear is violence out of that region, day in and day out.

See the link above.

Pablo said:
Fox has Greg Palkot reporting from Cairo, his cameraman still unmolested. http://video.foxnews.com/v/4514848/violent-protests-escalate-in-egypt

Palkot is rather good, isn’t he?

Right now, Egyptian Police have entered the building containing the Cairo studios for Al Jazeera: English. The reporter is promising to stay on the air as long as possible. The cops have apparently knocked on their door, but if you’re interested, they may be live streaming another “This is Bernard Shaw reporting from under a table”, kind of moment.

Either way, the Al Jazeera coverage is compelling. (I’m going to get little done today)

PS) Brian Stelter has reported via Twitter that CNN has lost their satellite accesss, which is hampering their reporting.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
We don’t live in a dictatorship

Internet ‘kill switch’ proposed for US All in the interest of security, mind you.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
We don’t live in a dictatorship

Then why does Obama want this power?

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Was this the same Egypt the Biden was praising the other day? Watch Joe Biden’s Awful Coddling of Dictator Hosni Mubarak http://wonkette.com/436398/watch-joe-bidens-awful-coddling-of-dictator-hosni-mubarak

Right, Michelle-in-Utah. It’s what one calls befriending your enemy’s enemy. Egypt has been a strong ally against Muslim fundmentalism and terrorism. I know you would prefer an invasion and occupation killing thousands of American troops and hundreds of thousand of Egyptian men, women and children, further destabalizing the region and sending the US into complete bankruptcy, as you did with the Iraq invasion and occupation, but I think we were on the better course for America’s interest.

What is with your fundamental objection to thinking? Is it physically painful or is it that thinking doesn’t always lead you to your predisposed ideological position?

skyfet said:
I thought the Egyptians were American ally.

Yep.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
The_Reasonable_Lib said:
We don’t live in a dictatorship
Then why does Obama want this power?

Well, that’s certainly trite.

Royal Pain in the Butt says:

I know you would prefer an invasion and occupation killing thousands of American troops and hundreds of thousand of Egyptian men, women and children,

Please post when I’ve said that or just SHUT UP! All the Mary’s in Heaven cannot take your lies anymore.

Don’t abridge and revise my quote if you are going to attack it. It is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty. You have repeatedly endorsed the Iraq invasion and occupation, and it resulted in the deaths of thousands of Americans troops, in hundreds of thousands Iraqi men, women and children, in a destabilization of the region and in a colossal American deficit. And, now you’re doing the same blustering and strutting you and your ilk did over the Iraq invasion and occupation.

Royal Pain in the Butt says:
You have repeatedly endorsed the Iraq invasion and occupation,

K prove that please.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
sky

She only endorsed what the televangelist (Beck) tells her.

Yeah Sky, I love how you guys turn it back on me when I call you out.

Wedeman’s been doing a good job, he has been tweeting about these protests all along, but Obama, as he did during the uprisings in Iran, continues to vote “present” on the situation. Although a little late, today he called out Mubarak to allow peaceful protests and to make reforms, but Gibbs said “it is not about taking sides”.

BTW, where are Anderson and all the other over paid anchors? They should be on the front lines over there earning those big bucks!

When you go to bed at night and there is no snow on the ground, and when you wake up in the next morning and snow is not falling but there is snow on the ground, it snowed during the night.

When you leave your trailer, get in your car and drive 45 minutes across town to Walmart get US $0.35 off a 50 pound bag of Big Roy dogfood, and you don’t hear a single commercial, you either have your radio off or you’re listening to NPR.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Yeah Sky, I love how you guys turn it back on me when I call you out.

What have you called on? am only speaking about what I’ve observed. You are a blind follower of the one who claims to be going blind.
What happens when a blind follower follows the blind man in the valley?

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Yeah Sky, I love how you guys turn it back on me when I call you out.

Always the victim, and always reminding us of that. Excuse me, I need a dry tissue.

I think that we can almost guarantee that the matter has shifted from if Egypt will fall, to when. Once they start cracking down like this, it’s only a matter of time.

The Real Royal King said:
Always the victim, and always reminding us of that. Excuse me, I need a dry tissue.

Are you going to fill this thread full of this nonsense too? Can you possibly go 10 comments in a row without a personal attack on Michelle?

Daniel M. Chick said:
I think that we can almost guarantee that the matter has shifted from if Egypt will fall, to when. Once they start cracking down like this, it’s only a matter of time.

I’d feel much better about your prediction if not for the Iranian example.

Pablo said:
I’d feel much better about your prediction if not for the Iranian example.

This is true, however I do believe that example can occur only so many times.

libra blue said:
Although a little late, today he called out Mubarak to allow peaceful protests and to make reforms, but Gibbs said “it is not about taking sides”.

That’s what makes America great. Not taking sides and making sure we don’t hurt anyone’s feelings. Liberty is overrated, no?

Pablo said:
Are you going to fill this thread full of this nonsense too? Can you possibly go 10 comments in a row without a personal attack on Michelle?

I don’t consider it so much an attack as a homage to truth, justice and the American way.

Pablo said:
Are you going to fill this thread full of this nonsense too? Can you possibly go 10 comments in a row without a personal attack on Michelle?

RRKING answers . No . We liberals hate and fear all women who may speak up . We prefer to keep them down . We continuously are bleaching , scratching , mooning ang whinnying about these FEMALES who are too uppity !

Can you two shitheads not stay serious long enough to pay the correct homage to such a terrible situation? I mean, this is just ridiculous–I can understand having these little petty squabbles over politics, but this is a country erupting into a revolution. People are dying and a government is to blame.

Grow up, RRK and LoT.

Daniel M. Chick said:
country erupting into a revolution. People are dying and a government is to blame.

Grow up, RRK and LoT.

The word Revolution in it’s original sense has been misused so often nowadays. What kind of Revolution are you talking about, the French/Tunisian or the Iranian, that resulted in the family of the deceased paying for the bullet that was used to kill her.

The Real Royal King says:
Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Yeah Sky, I love how you guys turn it back on me when I call you out.

Always the victim, and always reminding us of that. Excuse me, I need a dry tissue.

Don’t you mean you were caught in yet another lie and instead of admitting you lied, you’ll use your typical, “stop playing the victim” card. yawn

skyfet said:
The word Revolution in it’s original sense has been misused so often nowadays. What kind of Revolution are you talking about, the French/Tunisian or the Iranian, that resulted in the family of the deceased paying for the bullet that was used to kill her.

I’m reluctant to predict an outcome, hence my use of a qualifier. I think it’s only a matter of time until something happens, however.

Daniel M. Chick said:
I’m reluctant to predict an outcome, hence my use of a qualifier. I think it’s only a matter of time until something happens, however.

Let me elaborate: I retract, somewhat, what I stated earlier. I should say, Egypt will reach its point of critical mass here soon and we’ll see the outcome.

@Pablo, “Hey, let’s give our government a kill switch for the internet!”

This puts that idea in an entirely new light doesn’t it? Don’t think Obama wouldn’t use it for the same reasons that Mubarak is, to try to hide what is going on over there from the rest of the world.

skyfet said:
I thought the Egyptians were American ally.

oh you are brilliant.

@Pablo, “That’s what makes America great. Not taking sides and making sure we don’t hurt anyone’s feelings. Liberty is overrated, no?”

Obama is waiting to see who is winning before he takes sides.

CNN’s coverage of this crisis, far and away the best.

The Real Royal King said:
We hear a great del

Deal. What a nincompoop.

skyfet said:
The word Revolution in it’s original sense has been misused so often nowadays. What kind of Revolution are you talking about, the French/Tunisian or the Iranian, that resulted in the family of the deceased paying for the bullet that was used to kill her.

You’re asking whether it’s a successful or a failed revolution, as that is the main distinction between your examples. That’s a bit premature.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
We don’t live in a dictatorship

not yet, anyway.

The Real Royal King said:
fundmentalism

Fundamentalism. Your grades are slipping.

AC360 (hosted by Soledad O’Brien) spent 2 minutes on the riots in Egypt on the show last night. O’Brien was too busy talking about Palin and Sputnik.

The Real Royal King said:
destabalizing

Destabilizing. And the hits just keep coming.

Pablo said:
You’re asking whether it’s a successful or a failed revolution, as that is the main distinction between your examples. That’s a bit premature.

I think it’s irresponsible to start something you don’t have stomach for or do not have the will to finish. Egypt is not Tunisia. They are the largest Arab country in the middle east. It’s population is half of the whole Arab world. This is partly supported by the opposition, do you know who they are?

Mubarak would not relinquish his thrown without fighting, the Americans would not allow it (due to its replacement), the Israelis would never allow it. Unless the whole country is behind it, its a waste of time and life, trust me.

The opposition is the Muslim Brotherhood, tell me how the American Govt or the Israelis would feel about it. Mubarak is the best ally they could ever wish for, the Israelis love him, he is almost one of them, so they’d not allow him to be replaced by Muslim Brotherhood, who I suspect would have sympathies towards Hamas.

Goofy Biden is taking sides by defending Mubarak and saying he isn’t a dictator.

skyfet said:
I think it’s irresponsible to start something you don’t have stomach for or do not have the will to finish.

Who does that refer to? Does that include the Iranian Greens?

Daniel M. Chick said:
I’m reluctant to predict an outcome, hence my use of a qualifier. I think it’s only a matter of time until something happens, however.

I don’t think much of it, unless the people support it. The ratio/fraction of people protesting is very, very minimal to the overall population. The protest in London, Greece etc have more people than this. Unless the General People support it, then it’s a no go. I can’t blame the people if they are reluctant, the Egyptian Govt. is Autocratic and very brutal. They are so messed up that the Americans send people there for torture.

Pablo said:
Who does that refer to? Does that include the Iranian Greens?

That Green revolution was a no brainer to begin with. I sincerely think they lost that election, they were just bad losers. They had the support in the city and urban areas. But Ahmadenajad (as whacked as he may be) had the support of the people in rural/farming area. They came out, but the greens who had several large rallies before the election thought they had it in the bag, but they lost.

skyfet said:
The word Revolution in it’s original sense has been misused so often nowadays. What kind of Revolution are you talking about, the French/Tunisian or the Iranian, that resulted in the family of the deceased paying for the bullet that was used to kill her.

So, is it your understanding that revolution is civil unrest and action which leads to the overthrow of the established order, or is it something necessarily more transformative, more of a pardigm shift?

The French revolution in the late 18th century, the Mexican revolution in the early 20th century and the Russian revolution, a bit later in the 20th century would certainly qualify under either standard. Cuba in the mid 20th century would also qualify.

What of the American revolution? The established order was overturned, but there wasn’t much of a paradigm shift, was there? The colonies, as a federation and later a nation, remained essentially British, and what we now call power elites, remained the power elites. In that sense, we are much more like what happened in India, aren’t we? The degree and the organization of the force used being different.

What of the 1953 Iranian Revolution? The events leading to that revolution were essentially a Westernized democratic evolution. But, that evolution led to the nationalization of the oil companies which in turn led to the installation of the Shah by the Brtish and the Americans. The 1953 revolution was not really a revolution was it, even had it been successful? It was more in the nature of an uprising. What then of the 1970′s/1980′s Iranian revolution? That was about restoration of an established order and, as such, much more of a civil war.

Mid 20th century China wasn’t a revolution or a civil war was it? It was more of an invasion.

You questions is really fascinating and has such profound implications for our own foreign policy. We ought not even consider the use of force in societal evolutions, and civil wars call for a special restraint. When they lapse into genocides, then a case for international intervention can be made. As to revolutions, whatever we do will create life-long enemies.

sorry for the typos above — lap top, in a bit of a hurry

libra blue said:
Goofy Biden is taking sides by defending Mubarak and saying he isn’t a dictator.

Do you know who is coming to Power if he leaves? ahhhhhhh

Remember how bad saddam was, what is left of Iraq now?

Remember more than 82million Egyptians next to 6 million Jews.

Be careful what you wish for.

I hate and despise Mubarak, unless the Public support it, then forget about it.

skyfet said:
The opposition is the Muslim Brotherhood, tell me how the American Govt or the Israelis would feel about it.

One opposition faction is the MB. Mohammed el Baredei is not aligned with the MB. There’s a pretty good piece by him here.

The Real Royal King said:
pardigm

The Real Royal King said:
Brtish

Paradigm and British.

The Real Royal King said:
sorry for the typos above — lap top, in a bit of a hurry

No excuses please. We might have to hold you back a grade.

The Real Royal King said:
So, is it your understanding that revolution is civil unrest and action which leads to the overthrow of the established order, or is it something necessarily more transformative, more of a pardigm shift?

The French revolution in the late 18th century, the Mexican revolution in the early 20th century and the Russian revolution, a bit later in the 20th century would certainly qualify under either standard. Cuba in the mid 20th century would also qualify.

What of the American revolution? The established order was overturned, but there wasn’t much of a paradigm shift, was there? The colonies, as a federation and later a nation, remained essentially British, and what we now call power elites, remained the power elites. In that sense, we are much more like what happened in India, aren’t we? The degree and the organization of the force used being different.

What of the 1953 Iranian Revolution? The events leading to that revolution were essentially a Westernized democratic evolution. But, that evolution led to the nationalization of the oil companies which in turn led to the installation of the Shah by the Brtish and the Americans. The 1953 revolution was not really a revolution was it, even had it been successful? It was more in the nature of an uprising. What then of the 1970’s/1980’s Iranian revolution? That was about restoration of an established order and, as such, much more of a civil war.

Mid 20th century China wasn’t a revolution or a civil war was it? It was more of an invasion.

You questions is really fascinating and has such profound implications for our own foreign policy. We ought not even consider the use of force in societal evolutions, and civil wars call for a special restraint. When they lapse into genocides, then a case for international intervention can be made. As to revolutions, whatever we do will create life-long enemies.

The Egyptian current crisis is complicated that, I’d stay and look from outside. I dislike Mubarak and want him gone, and a lot of the Westerners especially the media are rilling people up. Yet these phonies moan about Iran day in day out. What do they think would replace him. The Muslim Brotherhood are the biggest political force after his (Mubaraks) party in Egypt. The Public, will have to decide what they want. As you can see, most of the people are staying away. These folks are way too tiny, to consider it a revolution. They had simmilar march in 2005, when Mubarak extended his stay in Power, it’s not new. They just want to try what the Tunisia did, but Egypt is not Tunisia, not in size not in population and not in it’s closeness to the US nor to the Israelis.

Pablo said:
One opposition faction is the MB. Mohammed el Baredei is not aligned with the MB. There’s a pretty good piece by him here.

He is no competition to the MB. He’d probably join them in a coalition.

Real Royal Spelling and Grammar Czar said:
No excuses please. We might have to hold you back a grade.

RRKING , HEY ! I’m 72 , but I read at the 76 year -old level !

The attendants at the King’s ‘facility’ had him up to a third grade reading level, and now this regression. Truly disappointing.

HERE ARE ALL THE DOMESTIC HEADLINES ON MEDIAITE AS OF 12:30 TODAY:

Jon Stewart To O’Reilly: A Heartless Douche Is Not The Same As A Nazi Propagandist

MSNBC Puts An End To “Psycho Talk” Segment On The Ed Show

Nasty Taint? Rachel Maddow Probes Mitt Romney Connection To On-Demand Porn

Michael Steele Tells An Incredulous Rachel Maddow ‘The Culture Wars Are Virtually Over’

Confessions of a Gay Anchorman: Ex-NY News Anchor Rips Former Station And Colleagues

University Cancels Bristol Palin’s Abstinence Speech Amid Protests Over Her ‘Lack Of Expertise’

Rush Limbaugh Is Not Happy That Time Magazine Is Comparing Obama To Reagan

Unscripted: Tracy Morgan Calls Sarah Palin ‘Serious Masturbation Material’

Jerry Springer: “The Liberals Have Won” And “We Are A Liberal Country”

Stephanie Miller: Speaker “Boehner Is A Darker Color Than The President”

Notice any trends?! Revolution is breaking out in parts of the world due to economic woes. Including a disastrous and abusive government in Egypt to whom we give more than two billion per year. We have more than QUADRUPLED our annual federal deficit spending in the last 2 years. We have two undeclared wars approaching nearly a decade of crime against our troops and those in foreign sovereign states alike. We are hopelessly bankrupt but just added a gargantuan new entitlement program. REAL unemployment is probably over 20% when you take out all the book-cooking the Dept. of Labor does to skew the numbers down. Foreclosures are at an all-time high. REal inflation is starting to take off like a rocket. We’re subsidizing the burning of a huge chunk of the food supply.
And THESE CR^P HEADLINES aree what is passing for the domestic news?! First, Mediate, you ought to be ASHAMED of yourselves for perpetuating this garbage. As godawful as the selection of news is within the media, your take on it is more selection than reflection of what is out there. It is sick. We have real issues and you are fanning the flames of the worst sort of distractions from the important.

I encourage all readers to seriously consider what is truly important. And in so doing, I encourage all readers to seriously consider whether it makes any sense to support this site with further traffic.

Please think about it.

libra blue said:
Although a little late, today he called out Mubarak to allow peaceful protests and to make reforms, but Gibbs said “it is not about taking sides”.

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Did anyone really expect BHO to do anything other than voting present.

When he bailed on the opportunity in Iran, an enemy of the US, to give even faint moral support he showed us all what weak leadership is.

Now, in a much more complex and fraught with danger from any outcome, crisis he is worse than useless.

@skyfet, “Do you know who is coming to Power if he leaves? ahhhhhhh”

You really should not skip your meds before posting.

You are reading much more into what I said. Yes, I know the other guys are worse and that is why Obama should have stepped up to the plate sooner in favor of reform and giving the protesters a voice.

What, censorship in a dictatorship? Surprise, surprise.

Americans, coming to a store near you.

Grammie said:
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Did anyone really expect BHO to do anything other than voting present.

When he bailed on the opportunity in Iran, an enemy of the US, to give even faint moral support he showed us all what weak leadership is.

Now, in a much more complex and fraught with danger from any outcome, crisis he is worse than useless.

What do you expect Obama to do in Egypt? Do you realize that there IS a good chance that the people who knock off Mubarak are far more hostile to our interests than he is? I don’t like the status quo there anymore than you do but that’s a very good likelihood and the Suez canal is an important gateway for the US. Don’t reduce complex matters to petty soundbites. Note, you didn’t give us your suggestions on what should be done. I’m going to trust that the WH knows more about the intricacies of the developments there than we do.