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Chris Matthews On Those Sponsoring Gov. Perry’s Prayer Rally: What Do You Make Of ‘That Wingnut’?

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Let’s play Hardball, people. This evening, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews organized a debate on Texas governor Rick Perry‘s call to the American people to “pray and fast like Jesus did” at his prayer event coming up in Texas tomorrow, August 6th.

Matthews’ guests included Tony Perkins, of the Family Research Council, and Barry Lynn of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Perkins noted that there will be a religious diversity present among the different mostly Evangelical Christian participants planning to assemble tomorrow not to give speeches or “even preach,” but to pray for the nation. Lynn, however, felt that Perry should not be promotion a “Christian-only prayer rally,” noting that the “diversity” espoused by Perkins does not include Muslims or Jewish folks… unless they want to attend the rally to “learn about Jesus.” Lynn feels the event is an example of what he refers to as “Government Evangelism.” Perkins countered by saying that certain Jews have spoken out in favor of the event, and that it is open to whomever wishes to attend. He also made it clear that “not a single tax payer dollar” was funding Perry’s prayer rally.

Talk also turned toward Bryan Fischer and John Hagee. Fischer is the director of Issues Analysis for the American Family Association (AFA), host of Focal Point on American Family Radio, and blogger for the AFA’s Rightly Concerned who is sponsoring the prayer rally. He has routinely made several controversial statements about, for instance, the gay community and Muslims. Hagee is the founder and senior pastor of San Antonio’s nondenominational Cornerstone Church and the CEO of the non-profit Global Evangelism Television (GETV). Hagee has made quite a few eye-catching comments of his own, including calling the Catholic Church “the great whore” and referring to Hurricane Katrina as “God’s punishment” of New Orleans.

Are these, Matthews wondered, really the type of people you’d want representing any event, much less one devoted to prayer? To further drive home his point, he offered up a “montage of voices” including various polarizing, and even hateful, statements made by those representing and/or sponsoring tomorrow’s event.

Perkins responded by saying that “not everyone” believes with the beliefs espoused by those individuals.

Lynn then shared that his group is hosting an alternative “Family, Faith and Freedom” event tonight at a predominantly black Baptist Church.

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  • Anonymous

    If a f*ckt*rd calls you a “wingnut” is it an insult???

  • Cain

    The reel of Perry’s guest tomorrow is kinda crazy. They go after everybody… Jews, gays, catholics, free masons, ect. Nutty group. 

    I heard Perry used to be a Democrat. Oh and did you guys see his grades from college? C and D king. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge

    Proving once again that bigotry towards Christians has become main stream. I say this as an Agnostic. 

  • http://twitter.com/VonSyndicate Von Syndicate

     Bigotry?

    One of the pastors there is on camera spreading actual bigotry.  But you graze over that.

  • Anonymous

    How dare Gov. Perry say a prayer?  As Chris Matthews will assure us, the Bill of Rights guarantees citizens freedom from religion.   Well, at least that’s how liberals read the first amendment. 

    Of course, by the time MSNBC hosts are done with the Bill of Rights, it reads like a David Lettterman top ten list….

  • prayer soldier

    There is a real Satanic conspiracy at work today. Our children are the first to go. http://swellco2000.com/2010/07/lady-gaga-new-world-order-illuminati/

  • Anonymous

    The issue is Perry, who is the Governor of a state and possible Presidential candidate.

  • Anonymous

    Are his grades from college relevant?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IIXQLWZQ3AC2FFR4WRHGMCOZPE Healthyskeptic7

    After Reverend Wrights rants about Godd@mn America and that racist stuff from Rev. Phleger – all so shocking and appalling that this Perry prayer meeting pales in comparison.

  • Anonymous

    well since its a republican now…..its ok to attack

  • Moderate

    Matthews has trashed religion, Republicans and nearly every State. How does he have any viewers left outside of New York?

  • Anonymous

    Well, it’s Chris Matthews. It seems like he is contractually obligated to say at least one headline making stupid comment every time he is on camera.
    Christianity is just one of a hundred things that he is seems required to demonize if it is a characteristic of one of Obama’s opposition.
    Why even get up in the morning if that is all your life is worth?

  • Anonymous

    The level of “wingnut” would be a promotion for Matthews.

  • insideguy

    don’t know bout that its at least equal to talk from those guys. Once again you guys try and justify bad behavior with more bad behavior. These men are not good they are dangerous and cruel. I wish people could see that.

  • Anonymous

    I’d say his commendable performance since college far out weighs any poor marks.

  • Lou_sarah

    Uh, maybe because he’s smart, asks good questions, doesn’t accept BS answers at face value, doesn’t accept the lunatic claims of religious nuts, has good insights into the nuttery of the right wing fringe, isn’t afraid to have on guests he disagrees with, isn’t a cynical hack like most of his Fox counterparts, doesn’t make $hi# up, runs an entertaining and engaging show, knows his stuff because he’s been in politics for more than forty years…

  • HowardNY

    Well, since I STILL hear Foxtards talking about Obama’s academic history, I guess it is.

  • insideguy

     Its a valid question NonElite. Should the head of government in his state be sponsoring such a thing?  Cut through all the yelling in screaming and think about it. It would be like Romney having a mormon gathering in massachutes while he was governor would that have been ok with you? This is bad news and if Rick is serious about trying to win he needs to distance himself from this type of thing.

  • insideguy

     Its a valid question NonElite. Should the head of government in his state be sponsoring such a thing?  Cut through all the yelling in screaming and think about it. It would be like Romney having a mormon gathering in massachutes while he was governor would that have been ok with you? This is bad news and if Rick is serious about trying to win he needs to distance himself from this type of thing.

  • Lou_sarah

    C’mon, people — we’re living in 21st century America, not ancient, pre-science Babylon. Can we start acting like a grown-up, modern society and give up pretending that closing your eyes and saying hopeful words to a man on a cloud is actually going to change the direction of anything? Didn’t eight years of George W. Bush and all of his Christianist claptrap teach you anything about the so-called “power” of prayer? Here was a man who “called upon a higher power” for all his big decisions and we got the most disastrous, morally bankrupt presidency of our lifetimes. It’s time to kick this habit once and for all.

  • Anonymous

    you mean……since a republican organized to have them speak in front of thousands of people

  • Anonymous

    how stupid is that It sounds like something Rev Wright, Farahchan,Phelger We all need to prayer for our country it is going down the tubes faster than the Phoney propped up Wall Street market 

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    didn’t mccain throw hagee under the bus when it came out what a homophobe and bigot he was?
    hagee must have said some crazy shit if you look at the bar mccain set when he picked his veep.

  • Zombie39045

    matthews didn’t make a peep about rev. wright, a racist and a bigot who preached pure hatred.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder how critical FoxNews is going to be of Gov Perry’s guest.  This is usually the type of thing they like to touch on.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    and he gets his guests like michelle bachman and zel miller to say the craziest sh*t.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    and he gets his guests like michelle bachman and zel miller to say the craziest sh*t.

  • Anonymous

    yeah once, instead of attending for 20 years, exactly

  • Anonymous

    Of course a Mormon event such this would be OK.

  • Anonymous

    Of course a Mormon event such this would be OK.

  • Anonymous

    sponsor? no he is attending

  • Anonymous

    Likewise, I would say that Obama’s deplorable performance since college far out weigh his marks.

  • Nature Freak

    Thanks for the link.

    Cool site! I will have to bookmark it.
    This site makes some good points.

  • Nature Freak

    You do realize there is no such thing as Satan?

  • Nature Freak

    What to Expect From Rick Perry’s Prayer Festival
    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/08/what-expect-rick-perrys-prayer-festival-the-response
    Scary stuff. WTF is wrong with the Religious Right? Rick Perry may just be pandering. Or maybe not.
    I myself would prefer Katy Perry as POTUS over Rick Perry.

  • Nature Freak
  • Anonymous

    Just wait until the National Inquirer or similar do some real deep personal digging. That will be it for Perry.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    did you even listen to the clip or are just being an asshole because you don’t like mathews?
    or the third option is you agree with brian fisher that hitler used gays to fight because they are more viscious.  do you also agree with hagee that the catholic church is the great whore?  that katrina was ‘god’s punishment’ on new orleans?
    even though you are agnostic, do those sound like christian morals?  that is what mathews said was crazy, what they said not what they are.

    and why do even bring up islam?  you are just another puppet of the right-wing/fox news hate crowd.  grow a pair and make up you own mind.  oh, speaking of making up you mind, agnostic…really?

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I think it will be a wonderful show.

  • Anonymous

    he initiated the prayer rally and he is the top spokesman.  the event coordinator is one of his former top aides and continues to be one of his consultants.

  • Nature Freak

    There is the Gay rumor.
    Another self hating religious right type? It is possible.
    http://www.towleroad.com/2011/06/politico-revives-rumor-about-rick-perry-being-gay.html

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Maybe these preachers will pray that S&P restore our credit rating. “Socialist” France, “Socialist” Germany” and Socialist “Canada” all have better credit ratings than the USA. Why? S&P apparently thought the T-Partee Terrorists in the House have caused government gridlock and worsened the economic turmoil in the USA. Thanks, Böner. Thanks, TPTs. In less than a year, you’ve turned America into a Banana Republic! Let’s pray about that.

  • Anonymous

    completely different argument than what is being discussed about here.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    That’s one reason I’ve questioned whether he will run. I think Tollbooth even understands that the scrutiny he invites, not just from the NI, but from the national press, is going to be grueling. When it comes to Tollbooth, you hit the septic tank after very little digging.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    A very light touch in this instance, I am sure.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Is he currently relevant?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ENPUZPCLLWLMF64YTWVQ7SA43I Fly Free

    Lou_sarah:  You’re free to believe, or not believe, anything of your choosing.  But why do you desire to impose your opinions on others and why are you so agitated by people who don’t believe as you do?  Can’t you just “live and let live”?

  • Anonymous

    american family association intiated it

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Much has  changed in the last few moments. Tune into a real news network and learn what Böner

    and the T-Partee Terrorists in the House have wrought.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Are you anti-Catholic? Matthews is a devout, practicing Catholic. He’s trashed religion? Don’t you mean to say he’s trashed intolerance? But, please, you and the other T-Partee Terrorists bash Catholicism. The largest religion, by far, in America. Please continue.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    i missed it.  please show me in the above clip, where mathews demonizes christianity. 
    or do you get up in the morning only to repeat what you’ve heard smarter people than you say.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    speaking of babylon, funniest part of the clip was that wingnut mike bickle saying that oprah was the harlot of babylon.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    speaking of babylon, funniest part of the clip was that wingnut mike bickle saying that oprah was the harlot of babylon.

  • Anonymous
  • ChiliPeppersFan

    why would you make up something like that?  

    Chris Matthews Slams Rev. Wright [Video]http://mydd.com/users/texasdarlin/posts/chris-matthews-slams-rev-wright-videojust another puppet of the right-wing/fox news hate crowd.c’mon people…do a little thinking for yourselves.

  • Moderate

    BS they thought we were not serious about reducing spending, they even said we must reduce Medicare. They seemed to agree with the TEA party.

  • Moderate

    S&P wants a 4 trillion reduction in spending.

  • ChiliPeppersFan

    like, as jon stewart said “For those who huff only the heady mix of partisan hackery, character assassination and manufactured outrage known as ‘Fox-ygen”
    when talking about common performing at the white house, but say nothing when ted nugent says… ”Obama, he”’s a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun! … I was in New York, I said, ‘Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch!’”

  • Nature Freak

    Believing in Satan and his vast powers is borderline Polytheism in my opinion.

  • Moderate

    CNN thinks Obama will ask for more reductions in spending.

  • Moderate

    The downgrade from S&P has been brewing for months. S&P’s sovereign debt team, lead by company veteran David T. Beers, had grown increasingly skeptical that Washington policy makers would make significant progress in reducing the deficit, given the tortured talks over raising the debt ceiling. In recent warnings, the company said Washington should strive to reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years, suggesting anything less would be insufficient.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903366504576490841235575386.html

  • Anonymous

    When President Obama was negotiating with Speaker Boehner on a “grand bargain”, it was $3 trillion in cuts and $1 trillion in closing tax spending (loopholes). That would’ve preserved our AAA credit rating.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t know if you’ve been over to HuffPo, someone leaked Perry’s college transcripts from Texas A & M.

  • Anonymous

    Is this the same S&P that did such brilliant work grading all the financial securities that lead to our financial meltdown?

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  • The Real Royal Emperor

    You’re certainly master of BS, aren’t you? From blaming the Norway bombing and shootings on Islamic terrorists and Islam in general to this.

    From the WSJ, a NewsCorp product:

    S&P says: “the budget deal recently brokered in Washington didn’t do enough to
    address the gloomy long-term picture for America’s finances.”

    and

    “the downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that
    Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our
    view, would be necessary to stabilize the government’s medium-term debt
    dynamics.” It also blamed the weakened “effectiveness, stability, and
    predictability” of U.S. policy making and political institutions at a time when
    challenges are mounting.”

    Does “debt dynamics” mean cuts only? Hardly. No sane economist suggests that. Now, I’m sure you deny economics much as you deny science and much as you deny history. But “dynamics” is a key term of art. ForceS, motionS, actionS, interactionS, reactionS which characterize a system and produce activity and change. Debt reduction, which is a necessary component, to be sure, has to be joined with other forceS and facorS to achieve this dynamism. Increasing employment by a variety of stimuli to make more disposible income available. Raising revenues by a combination of tax reforms, closing tax loopholes and increasing tax revenues. Other factors. Then we have dynamism. With the T-Partee Terrorist reductions, we have a flat, stagnant approach, wholly void of any dynamism.

    And, what of the failing policy-making and political institutions? You just gloss over all of that, don’t you? At the very crux of our failed, grid-locked political is what group? The T-Partee Terorrists, particularly the ones the House of Representatives. Their, stubborness, their intransigence, their ignorance of both economics and our political system are bringing us to our knees.

    Yes, President Obama and his team should have jumped on this sooner and more forcefully. Yes, basic economic principles ought not have been treated as talking points in the negotiation process.

    Yes, responsible Democrats and Republicans ought to have been more engaged in policies right for our nation and not just right for their own self-serving political interests.

    But, there is no doubt, absolutely no doubt that in cavng into the ignorance and instransigence of a group which has no discernible interest in our nation’s well-being, but only in driving home a narrow policy agenda of social conservative issues which are an anthema to most Americans, the T-Partee Terrorists have caused great, substantial long-term damage to our nation. This is the very essence of what S&P is saying and the WSJ is reporting.

    And interestingly, tomorrow, we have a prominent T-Partee Terrorist pandering to this same faied and failing agenda.

    Please, if you can’t contribute in a substantive fashion, in an honest and open discussion, limit yourself to snide drive-by remarks like Jeff Merrill and Michelle-in-Utah. You’d do less harm.

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Obama has made history again he has single handedly had US downgraded from triple ‘A’ to double ‘A’ plus.
    Change you can count on!

  • Anonymous

    Fact:
    Obama’s plan was smoke and mirrors. His crap math didn’t account for yearly 7%
    annual discretion increase so his cut at 3% was a joke.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Of course, he presented a plan to avoid that. Böner could have been brought on board. McConnell could have. But, the T-Partee Terrorists were more intersted in destroying American all for the sake of a social conservative agenda that most Americans despise. Pure. Simple. Even Böner admitted that he got 98% of what he wanted. Indeed, he proclaimed it. Looks like 98% of this belongs to Böner.

  • insideguy

    yea that means revenue increases Moderate

  • insideguy

    What morons the republicans are they have just driven this country into a ditch

  • insideguy

     Yep these commie countries have higher credit ratings than the USA why is that tea baggers? Why would that be.

  • insideguy

     Yep and these moronic tea baggers are gonna drag this country down further and further this is insane.

  • Anonymous

    Try telling that to just4thefax guy!

  • NeverWrong

    Yo, Chrissy…Gov. Perry is a solid Gov. who has kept Texas in the black for all these years. He is a serious man. You, Chrissy ‘Tingles & Thrills’ Matthews are the wackiest, goofiest, most idiotic, moronic, imbecilic ignoramus on the political TV circuit. Even the people at LSDnbc consider you an oddball they have little or no respect of or for. You are not a serious player as the low ratings you get daily prove. Nobody watches you Chrissy…nobody! Time to retire ya old drunk. Have a nice weekend though.

  • insideguy

     Thank you

  • Anonymous

    Fact: No it means Obamacare DOA no funds! More cuts in spending. moron!

  • insideguy

     Ok soap box time do you righties think this is all just a coincidence?  These idiot republicans just dragged out this debt fight didn’t want tax revenues, and now the double A rating a week later. This is just sick. You didn’t want tax increases righties? Be prepared to pay a lot more now.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    FACT: Every credible study shows HCR will reduce the deficit by controlling medical outlays.

    It’s tough to be an economics denier, I guess.

  • Anonymous

    Fact:
    Obama’s signature on his budget failed! Everything he touches goes in the toilet!

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    WHAT? We’re US $27 Billion or more in debt! And we have a higher unemployment rate than a number of states. Where did you find those lies you have cut and pasted?

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Can’t blame Bush. Hahahahahahahaa………..

  • Anonymous

    Fact: One term and out for the anoited one! 2012 is coming!

  • Just8thefax

    Fact: You have nothing to contribute but rambling, incoherent posts and a schtick that’s worn very, very thin.

  • Anonymous

    You have such erudite friends. (sarcasm)  My Dad always told me: “with fiends like yours who needs enemies?”

    Purveyor

  • HowardNY

    In fact, he’s such a “solid” governor that basically he has little or no support in Texas for a presidential run. (In recent polling he was actually tied with or a few points behind Obama.) These are the people who know him best. All voters should take that as a warning.

  • Anonymous

    We’re on the tail end of 4 decades of “free trade”.  It’s gutted the country and enriched dozens of previously poor nations around the world.  Since we basically took in on the chin for the rest of the world, I propose we move the issuance of currency back to the Congress.  Then the Congress can issue $14T of currency and pay off the national debt.  Couple that with a balanced budget amendment, tariffs and so on.  In no time at all we will be #1 again.

  • Anonymous

    You actually assert, this is the Republican’s fault?  That is the effect of “cognitive dissonance.”  Your “sincerely held belief system” has been threatened, actually, more than threatened.  

    Egro, the strong will adapt to reality, the weak will rationalize and blame others.

    What will you do?

  • Just8thefax

    Fact: By a margin of three to one, voters DO blame Bush for the mess. Hahahahahahahaa………..

  • Moderate

    Goodby Obamacare we can’t afford it.

  • Anonymous

    Weren’t you a Bulgarian Communist, propagandist in another life?

  • Darladoon

    if you actually watch the video, and see the guy of which matthews made that comment in
    the headline, you’ll come to the same conclusion as matthews

    what’s up, mediaite?  you wanna contextualize that headline?

  • Darladoon

    shall we compare rev. wright to rev. hagee?

    no comparison!  hagee is CRAZY!

  • Exgoper

    Gee, I’m so sorry to hear that you were in a coma during 2008 and weren’t able to watch TV. I guess that explains why you’re saying something now that is complete and unmitigated BS. 

  • Lou_sarah

    Because I don’t want our government anywhere near this stuff. The founders explicitly wanted a wall between the church and the state and this rally tears that wall down by giving the imprimatur of acceptance. If people want to pretend that praying to a white robed man in the sky will get them what they want, they’re welcome to do it at home or at their church. But it’s wrong for elected officials to enable the fantasy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JUT2TATEV3OHGQ7HZRYN472XVM Felix

    So, the Republicans drug the debate out because they didn’t wish kow-tow to the Democrats’ unreasonable demands??? awwwww, boo hoo… next time those Dems gonna show’em, and vote to pass legislation when THEY have control of the House, Senate and presidency — and not wait to play politics with America’s debt status. Funny how Libs never question why Obama didn’t “get this done” BEFORE the 2010 elections.

  • HowardNY

    Perry’s hands are all over this thing. It’s wrong. If he wants to lead a prayer group, let him resign his governorship first.

  • Anonymous

    >> Cain: “Oh, and did you guys see his grades from college? C and D king.”

    >> 2012Freedom: “Are his grades from college relevant?”

    >> HowardNY: “Since I STILL hear Foxtards talking about Obama’s academic history, I guess it is.”

    And yet the total CROCK is that we CAN sit around and talk about Perry’s grades since they’re available to the public. Meanwhile, Obama has NEVER shown his. Hell, when it comes to his schooling, this charlatan has never even revealed what ACTUAL CLASSES he took.

    Which is just another reason to openly mock the usual LIBERAL HYPOCRISY on display here.  After all, Libtards LOVE to talk about how Obama went to Harvard and how smart he was and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.  Yet MAGICALLY for all of his supposed brilliance — which, by the way, you’d think he’d WANT to brag about, to throw his intellectual superiority in the face of his detractors…

    …You gotta love that the VERY FIRST PRESIDENTIAL ORDER that Obama ever signed was to actually SEAL all of his records, literally HIDING THEM away under penalty of Federal law.

    Gee, funny how that works isn’t it?

    Then again, it’s become clear this guy is a gutless coward and intellectual phony. But Libtards being the 12-watt bulbs that they are continue to be die-hard devotees to the Cult of Obama, all the while insisting on drinking his kool-aid over and over again…

  • Greg

    Perhaps Perry can ask the big guy to convince his most dedicated legislators to consider added revenue… would save us billions… Unless downgrade is an celestial virtue.

  • VaDem58

    As a regular Hardball and Chris Matthews Show viewer, I can safely argue that Chris Matthews doesn’t constantly stick up for Islam more than any other religion, including Christianity. To my knowledge the only Christians that he treats “like crazy people” are the ones who make really “crazy” remarks like the ones made on today’s show. 

    I’ve been following the comments posted about Matthews over the last couple of weeks and am amused by the number of conservative trolls who frequent this site. Does Fox hire these individuals to peruse moderate to left-leaning sites to serve as irritants? The effort is obviously concerted but I fail to see the point. I can’t imagine that these people would spend so much time on sites that so obviously appeal to a less hateful demographic without receiving something in return. Of course, who am I to judge others for the way that they choose to spend their free time? And boy do they have a lot of it.

  • Independent

    These people are absolutely pathological. They’d rather ask your grandfather who served in WWII to pay more for his medicine than ask Paris Hilton to chip in a few extra bucks. The narcissism and unrepentant greed of this new breed of conservatives is without precedent in our country. 

  • gordonbloyershow

    LOL, and where did you get that info, from the Royal King. LOL. You just repeat nonsense that you have no idea if it is true. I wonder why this has no come out before? Hmmm could be because it is nonsense?

  • Lou_sarah

    Interesting that you think is performance was “commendable.” Texans don’t seem to agree with you. 

  • VaDem58

    I was thinking exactly the same thing…and then I realized that the intent of the typical Fox troll is not to add to debate, but simply to argue.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    I am sure that it has little to do with the lefts insistance that we do not develop our own energy resources…  I am sure that it has little to do with the oppressive regulation coming out of DC that has stiffled the Economy, current cost to American business being reported at $2 trillion a year, I am sure that it has little to do with the EPA and interior departments being used as tools to close American business down.  Maybe the president should have focused his administration on building American business up!  I am also sure that it has little to do with the Healthcare legislation and the added costs of insuring 30 million people that they still haven’t figured out yet how it works, but businesses have calculated that it is expensive…  No it had nothing to do with those things but everything to do with the Tea Party, who organized because they saw this day coming a few years back…

    The president has created an environment that does not promote business risk taking as he has raised the stakes and consequently the risks associated with investment..  Blame the Tea Party if you will, but this president has no clue. His commitment is social justice, he has surrounded himself with like minds or people who will not advise him correctly as they do not feel it in their best interest to do so (Jeffrey Immelt) He has gotten really crappy economic advice and has been too committed to the lefts agenda (Green) to move this country forward from the dieaster of the financial crisis. Had he focused on a real energy plan for the development and extraction of our own energy sources, had he truly focused on making America more attractive to do business in than other countries, had he been considered in identifying the problems and then taking practical approaches to solving these problems.. I would suggest to you that we would not be having this discussion today.  But go ahead, blame the Tea Party, or the Republican…  blame anybody other than this President who not only has no practical experience or knowledge in the areas of economy, but who has chosen to surround himself with people who are more socially progressive than he is…  He really never stood a chance, but he has failed, now you want to blame the right, for what was a 2 week fight…  Your president made that deal, Harry Reid made that deal, Neither began work soon enough nor took the problem seriously enough to make a compelling argument to get something else passed..  Sorry if I am not sympathetic towards this president and what has happened, I know that his problems extend to prior to his taking office, but he is the president, arguably the biggest job in the world, he needs to be just a little more serious about his responsibilities and stop allowing himself to be the victim…  I don’t know anyone that plays that role that I look up to, and this president is no exception. 

  • insideguy

    They chose to pick this fight now purveyor. They chose to forgo any tax increases. Therefore they foxed this action of downgrading the debt. That and the joke of a deal that was agreed upon showing the general disfunction of our government caused the downgrading of our credit rating.  Bush chose to fight two wars costing us trillions and lower the tax rate, something that has never been done. Then the republicans chose to blackmail Obama with the extension of unemployment rates to keep Bushs tax cuts. Look back  10 years ago prior to 2001 prior to bush. When your mortal enemy Clinton was in office We had higher taxes and less spending our credit rate was never in jeopardy.  Now you guys have the balls to blame this on Obama alone. This was coming for years .

  • Ganymede

    How low can we go. You rightwingers all hate Matthews, yet you go out of your way to listen to him. The neo-fascist, racist right (yes, I use those words because they accurately describe what you people are about) have done more than any other group to cause the decline of our once great country. How any of you wingnuts can take Perry seriously is beyond human comprehension. The whole crew as displayed on Matthews program are a bunch of authoritarian idiots and if they keep going on you are going to see masses of true populists demonstrating out on the streets within the next few months. It’s like the Southern Baptists are our Wahabbies.  In your fundamentalist zeal you’ve done everything possible to block Obama and the rest of the country from moving forward. You are a small, diseased, minority and it’s only because some crazy billionaires have provided the money that you’ve come this far. Fortunately, even these kleptomaniacs are beginning to move away from the monsters they’ve created because they’re realizing that you’re not good for business, and your evil media booster, Murdoch, is now damaged goods and won’t be able to supply the muscle he once did. The whole world is watching in disbelief at what’s going on here, and, I know, you don’t care. 

  • insideguy

     Its reality purveyor no one on the right wants to admit it. But you need cuts and increased taxes.  Its a fact. Even your tea party guys have come up with no real CUTS. Congress once again kicked the can down the road to this super committee which they will find a way to not make cuts again somehow.

  • insideguy

     Go ahead and FIND them just4Fax explain to me where you would cut?

  • insideguy

     And once you do see if you can get anyone anyone in congress to agree upon them. 

  • insideguy

     No it wouldn’t! 

  • HowardNY

    Hey, LA_Screenwriter: Did you write “Gigli”? Because that made about as much as this steaming pile of nonsense. 

  • Lou_sarah

    I know — those mean old Democrats actually insisting that we pay our bills! That’s just commie talk.

  • VaDem58

    Fact: It takes a Fox troll to turn a discussion about a “prayer meeting” into a discussion about the economy. It reminds me of sitting in church on Sunday morning and hearing the preacher turn a sermon about sin into a sermon about tithing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    You live in an alternate universe that denies common sense and economic law…  Just keep studying Gay mens penises, and shrimp on tread mills, doling out 3700 dollars subsidies for a ticket so that some guy does not have to drive out to the sticks…  Don’t look for efficiencies in Government, just look towards the rich.. Maybe if the government proved to be better stewards they would get more support for increased revenues…  How many billions have been poored into Nancy Pelosi’s district over the last few years, how many millions did Maxine Water’s husbands bank receive?  Where did all the exemptions for Healthcare go?  Why did we even need them?  How is it that we still have not developed our own energy resources, where did the left wing agenda get us over the last few years?  Why didn’t the president have the balls to set a vision to get us out of this mess and move us forward?  Why was he not strong enough to forcable push through his own vision and agenda?  These are the questions that the voters will be asking in 2012  You guys can make all the stink you want but your losing this fight, and you will be losing badly in 2012.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps we in America, should re-consider eugenics and/or population control? 

    As the late Mike Royko once said: “I’ll take you too the South side of Chicago, and I’ll show you women with 3 and 4 kids, who should have a goldfish for a pet.”
    So, If you Liberals start to limit the supply of freeloaders, maybe we could finally have some “compromise!”

    Purveyor

  • Anonymous

    “Wench, more cognac, and fresh horses for the men.

    Tonight we ride…”

  • NeverWrong

    Could you please show me one evil politician in America that more than 50% of
    the people like? I didn’t think so. As to Gov. Perry, at least he got up off his
    rear and has run the 2nd largest state in the USA and the most successful state
    of the 50. Not sure about Obummer’s and Matthews 57 states. Some day maybe those
    two idiots will clue us in. What political office has old Tingles run for or
    served? He has always been a very goofy ass kisser to the likes of Jimmy Carter,
    Tip O’Neil and now Obumbler. Chrissy is three sheets to the wind when he does
    his goofy/silly softball show. That clown cannot pronounce any words that us
    humans use. His spittle is all over the TV camera lens (which is good because it
    drowns out his old, craggly face). He slurs everything that attempts to come out
    of his mouth.

    Oh as to Perry’s support…the Whites like him but, Texas has beem swamped
    with Mexican illegals and they now make up a big percentage of those who live in
    Texas. Obammy is afraid to send em back to Mexico. You can take this to the
    bank…..between Perry and OlDoNutin come November 2012 and America will have a
    new President. Hopefully that happens and all us Conservative Independents will
    see you crazy socialist Dummycraps off tothe 3rd World Socialist Commie country
    of your choice. We’ll all be more than happy to buy each and everyone of you a
    one way ticket.

  • NeverWrong

    You wacko socialist commie dummycraps are literally scared to death of Gov.
    Perry. He has not even announced and you Girlieboyz are already crying foul.
    Yes, if Perry runs he will win and then all you liberal wackos will be forced to
    get a job, get off of food stamps and move out of your Section 8 housing. I have
    plenty of large cardboard boxes in our warehouse you gals can live in under the
    nearest bridge.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    Although I may agree with what you say except the conservative bashing part., Most conservatives if honest probably would to a high degree agree with you, but, you speak as if our government is actually functional and has the best interest of the country at heart…  If you consider the dialogue over the last few months I have not heard one politician from you side state as logically or as rationally the theme of your post..  I have heard little more than short glib talking points that do not begin to address the issues and some of those quite slanderous… 

    You will not get conservative support for tax increases until Washington stops the waste and vote buying..  You can say what you will, you can point out how small apart of the budget it is…  I would say to you that it is emblematic of the idiots we have in DC and until they clean up the playground the conservatives and Tea Party types will not support more in taxes…  You and your side make a big assumption in that it will be the Tea Party and Republicans who will be blamed for this situation, I think that you should be more considered in that thought..  I honestly believe that it will be this president.  Without animosity I will tell you that this is a weak leader…  He is a poor manager, he lays out no vision as he really has none for the current challange..  He has a vision, but it is so far removed from the issues that we face that he has had to put it to the back of his mind.  That leaves him with nothing, he has no current vision for the moment at hand and has had none since the passage of his healthcare bill, this leaves him without a man without passion or agenda…  as a leader it proves him to be fatally weak. 

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, you’re right, Howard.
    I’m just talking TOTAL nonsense.

    Tell you what, guy. Since Perry was the “C and D king”…and just so you can have the pleasure of putting me in my place…why don’t you REALLY seize this moment and just RAM home your point by telling me right here, right now, what Obama’s grades were in comparison.

    No, really — I can wait. So can everyone else.
    After all, for shooting off your big fat mouth, I’m SURE you can call that info up for us…right?

  • Anonymous

    We can blame both parties for that. But like intended they have people bicking over whose worser.

  • Anonymous

    Well done, nicely written.

    Such does not concern them. (Socialist-Liberals)  They seem NOT to have transcended a political party, rather, moved laterally and become ideologues, “useful idiots.”  The natural human inclination of inquisitiveness has been stunned, mesmerized out of them.During the Richard Nixon debacle, many Republican’s accepted the evidence and desired Nixon’s resignation.  Obama, is no longer a man, rather, seems to be deified.  Obama is the representative of a revolution that has been in the making since 1850.  Hence the “believers” will never dis-believe.  Just like the doctored pictures of the early Soviet Union’s leaders, the Socialist-Democrats must maintain the ideal.  ”Let truth and falsehood grapple,” is NOT in Lenin’s playbook.That is the best I can do, right now, to explain the amorphous political blob, that is causing me so much concern.  Anyway,  I do not think any of this is coincidence.PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

  • Anonymous

    Well its common sense. They don’t run up nearly the deficits the US does. But sorry if I’m pointing out reason while the goal of this is to have a political name calling fest.

  • NeverWrong

    Real Royal A**hole, just put the gallon jug of Thunderbird/Mad Dog 20/20 vino down and everything will be all right. Next time you try to post something, please provide a Decoder ring so we can attempt to make sense of your crap  TIA

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    Insideguy you seem to conveniently forget that the President and the Dems wanted a clean ceiling increase with no cuts whatsoever…  they had been warned months ago that the credit rating was in jeapordy and chose to ignore the warnings….  It was the republican side that got any debt reductions at all.  I understand that you do not like the deal, but to blame the republicans for the credit downgrade is disengenious as your side wanted to not even address the issue.  The credit agencies were watching long before the fight broke out..  I agree that the deal could have been better but the Democrats have their own problems with their extreme elements that you don’t even begin to address.

  • insideguy

    read the report for S&P Fedup its very interesting.

  • insideguy

    read the report from S&P purveyor you can ignore it if you want but it states exactly why the debt has been downgraded.

  • Anonymous

    lol….you may want to direct your hate to the poor ass backwoods section 8 livin, food stamp gettin,no job havin, southern crossburnin, wackjob,fundies that in those white folk only trailer parks down there in Run  nword Run, Mississippi….you know what i mean???…working in a warehouse dont make it yours hobbit

  • Anonymous

    grant you on points.. you are correct then

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    and they wonder why the Christian faith is losing members… amazing, simply amazing..

  • insideguy

     Lets put it this way in 6 months these idiots in congress with their no compromise mentality is the main reason for the downgrade according to S&P.  The longer they play around with these jokes of spending cuts and no new taxes mentality the worse off we will be.

  • insideguy

     Yes but why don’t they run up the debts that we do? They have socialized medicine, they have early retirement. There social benefits are huge compared to ours. Two reasons more taxes and less money far less far less money spent on defense.

  • insideguy

     The deal was a freaking JOKE! 800 billion over 10 years plus another 1.5 trillion that they will find away around plus no revenue increases equals downgrade per the S&P. The funny things is that all these talking heads sit around trying to figure out who the winners and losers were in this deal. There were no winners only losers and the american people are the biggest losers.

  • tprtr

    Has anyone but me noticed that the far left loons at msnbc have been pulling out all the stops to promote the failed boy president? It is very funny to watch these loons try to attack the mean old conservatives and blame them for the disaster Obama has created in his first term. Still blaming Bush? Funny but sad!!

  • Anonymous

    This downgrade has to do with the unsustainable deficit we keep running up. Do you honestly think we weren’t in trouble all the time leading up to this? The idea that spending cuts is a joke, is pure idiocy. Simple tax increases are hardly going to touch our dept problem at all. Stop fooling yourself and pushing your narrow nonsense over facts and reality. You just want to spout off partisan drivel in the face of reality. We are heavily in dept and our money continues to lose this value. If you paid attention all the charade in Washington did was fool the idiots watching their inevitable raising of the dept ceiling, and accomplish no cuts to spending or increased revenue at all. You are part of the same “joke”(or delusion) asserting that we don’t need spending cuts. What they did was establish a committee in congress(yes, another one) which will evaluate possible cuts and revenue increases. Besides yet another committee the ‘compromise’ did very little at all expect raising the ceiling and avoiding the fabricated ‘Armageddon’. I’m sure a straight up raising of the dept ceiling to ‘save us all’ is what many preferred all along. Its what many people on your ‘side’ were advocating with their 14th amendment nonsense. Even though in fact that was not going to, and did not avert a lowing of our credit rating. So people got what they wanted, and now want to play reversionary blame games over it. How about simply wake up and address serious issues facing this country and not a nonsensical yearly vote that was never not going to pass in the first place? And then trying to pass the buck and denounce what we needed to do to avoid this, based on stubborn ideals.

  • Anonymous

    I’m agnostic, he’s agnostic, wouldn’t you like to be agnostic too?  LOL

  • Anonymous

    I’m not going to necessarily disagree. Although as it is we spend more per person on benefits than much of the world. Which shows how inefficiently they are handled here. Even though that has very little to do with the downgrade at all; unless you are advocating cutting dept by addressing waste in those fields. Such irrelevancies don’t make yours or his banter any less anti intellectual or irrelevant from the actualities of the situation at hand.

    Isn’t this story  about Chris Matthews and Rick Perry? Its like all that some people want to do is spout off complete idiocy no matter what the actually topic of the board pertains to. Copy and paste copy and paste.

  • insideguy

     How do we spend more per person on benefits than the rest of the world? If you are talking about our medical costs compared to theirs I would agree. But the only way to simplify medical cost is going totally socialized like the rest of the world. Im not sure what you mean regarding the other benefits. And why am I not tailing about rick perry? Because I don’t understand the fascination with people who have not yet declared that the are running(Palin,Trump,Perry) Its meaningless to me. Plus the last thing we need is another born again bible thumper in the white house who’s from texas.

  • Anonymous

    @ your following post. Don’t get me wrong. I can’t stand all of this Rick Perry crap. There are plenty of candidates they are almost pretending don’t exist, and other things to cover that are actually news. Not gush over current non contenders. Its just obvious that users like the one you quoted just want to spout off and insert as many sensational pieces of rhetoric as possible and somehow connect them. Watch out them evil terrorizer bomb throwing teabagg poopy heads don’t get you and nuclear hilter the economic dept explosions!!!!!1

  • Nature Freak

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvCTaccEkMI

    I remember this as a child. Makes nature freak feel old!

  • Nature Freak

    I should know this.
    I am stumped.

  • NeverWrong

    Yo, proobammyasskisser….here in the United States of America we speak in English and write in English.  Get your sorry rear edjueeeicated, boy! Good grief, Obummer lovers are the dumbest, stupidest and most ignorant Neanderthal’s on the planet. That would be Knuckle Draging Neanderthal’s aka Socialist, Communist, Idiotic Dummycrats.

  • http://twitter.com/BarneyFranken Barney Frankenstein

    insideguy is the dumbest ass on here. Its the tea party’s fault for the credit rating drop? are you insane?

    Our rating got downgraded because of the debt, which is from spending, the spending that you only want more of not less.

    YOU are the problem. The tea party is the solution. 

    If it were up to you, you’d want medicare for all, social security at 45 and permanent unemployment relief.

    All the things you want if implemented would accumulate MASSIVE debt- debt that you really couldnt give two shits about.  

    leaving liberals in charge of debt reduction is like leaving wolves in charge of the henhouse. It wouldn’t be pretty.

  • http://twitter.com/BarneyFranken Barney Frankenstein

    TRRK is going to be out celebrating the downgrade with Cloward and Piven.

    He only stopped by mediaite to spout off some talking points before meeting them for some champagne. 

    The intentional collapse of the free market is finally becoming a reality! HIP HIP HURRAY!!!

  • Limpbaals

    Don’t get mad at someone for calling out a pile of crap for what it is.

    Lol.

  • Glenn Bovine

    Kewl

    The anti-American taliban is holding another coven!

    This time they are going to create JOBS!

  • HowardNY

    “Yeah, you’re right, Howard.I’m just talking TOTAL nonsense.”
    Thank you. I hope you feel better for your honesty. The first step towards solving your problem is admitting it.

  • Anonymous

    It is a fragment of dialogue from an old version of the “Three Musketeers,” I think! So don’t feel bad. For some reason I have a fairly good, long term memory, for useless information. LOL For instance, I can sing the “Gilligan’s Island” theme song, perfectly… LOL “For a three hour tour, a three hour tour…

  • Anonymous

    I actually did, Laugh out loud, still am.  I found your post clever and funny.  

    What about your name, “Bovine?”  As for myself, having been brought up in Wisconsin, I have a certain, um, er, affection for the hapless creatures.

    In the summer I used to work on a farm and bail hay etc.  Hmm, Thanks for the mamar, um,  I mean memories.  LOL

    Purveyor

  • Anonymous

    I guess your response to SCREEN WRITER helps make my point.  I can attribute much of the Socialist-Liberal  intransigence, to “cognitive dissonance.”  However, the absolute, zombie like defiance of reality is caused by magic, if that fails, mirrors.  Then the subject is hooked!

    Purveyor.

  • Anonymous

    Did you read THE Report, or an analysis?  If, an analysis, whose analysis.  You have a hunger for information and knowledge, which is a good thing, but when I read some of your thoughts, I see disinformation occasionally.  Not put out by you, but repeated.

    By the way, I hope I clarified my viewpoint on the “Cop getting mad at the Cameraman video?”  I know very well there are “two sides” to a story.  On that note, did you see the video of the Vegas Cop blowing a Gasket?

    Just Google and You Tube should have it.

    Peace, Love and Drugs, man

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JUT2TATEV3OHGQ7HZRYN472XVM Felix

    And the Republicans didn’t??? Come’on, be for real. While you were sleeping, the Republicans passed 3 pieces of debt legislation that were voted down by the Democrats. Try another angle, sport. 

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    How is this different than Obama recognizing the National Day of Prayer, and attending the National Prayer Breakfast? Or even when he held a seder?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20060126-503544.html

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/presidential-proclamation-national-day-prayer

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjpyrfj4AWk

  • Carl Hyngstrom

    No one has ever seen Obamas grades so its kind of hard to tell about the most trasparent President

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge

    Right and the same people said Obama’s church and pastor for 20 years didn’t matter., 

  • Carl Hyngstrom

    Maybe I’m just an IDIOT but havent the people that have been controlling politics for the last 40 yrs the ones the ones that have me and my children eating a Giant SH*T sandwich for the next forty years, I’m really happy Chrissy sends a tingle up your leg, maybe those stories will keep us all warm when we live in camps under the overpasses WAKE UP

  • Carl Hyngstrom

    Oh the Tea Party Terrorist are being paid to repeat talking points or just too stupid have an original thought

  • insideguy

     No Barney you are making up things that I have not said. I do think national healthcare is the way to go and in the long run will save us money. All other countries have it Barney. Social security at 45? No never said that 65 is about right. Lol permanent unemployment relief? I never said any such thing but you think I might have. The only way out of this BARNEY is to cut spending and raise revenue. That is the only way, you are a typical clueless tea bagger who has no idea how the rest of the world does things and all you care about is getting Obama out of office. Well you may get your wish but if you think its bad now you just wait until your boys roll in to town. Your idiot tea party has managed to cut 800 billion dollars over 10 years which is a joke. Once the republicans get into power you will see less and less cutting I guarantee it, the balanced budget amendment will be forgotten.

  • Carl Hyngstrom

    I believe it said Freedom of Religion not freedom from religion. But if life is meaningless why do you give a crap, please shoot yourself now and get it over with.

  • Carl Hyngstrom

    Anyone that is a fan of a band that goes on stage with nothing but socks over their ********* is definitely somone whos opinion I value

  • Carl Hyngstrom

    They didnt happen to post President Obamas transcipts did they, he’s such a FRAUD he wont let them out.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, that’s why the Harvard Law Student body conservative and liberal elected him President of the Law Review.

  • insideguy

    Hey I don’t know if you read my reply to the cop on video deal I wrote a rather lengthy paragraph about it I think you might find interesting.

  • Anonymous

    Rick is just performing the usual:  Filtering hatred thru Jesus.  Neo-Fascists disguised as Christian Republicans.  The constant invocation of Christ & thoroughly empty patriotism.  Indoctrination thru repetition. 
    The uneducated, terrified, right-wing Bible Set that’s shackled to the mammoth cruise ship of ignorance;  refusing to let the Nation evolve.  Born-again psychos & malcontents.  People who live in order to be told what to do – and what not to do.

  • Anonymous

    Watch the video clip, you moron.

  • Anonymous

    Nobody was forced to attend this Texas event.

    No tax dollars were used for it.

    Nobody is forced to watch MSNBC.

    Nobody is forced to agree with Chris Matthews or MSNBC.

    (The GE “portion” of MSNBC pays no taxes.)

    Just as Matthews does, anybody could “cherry pick” comments out of context from anybody to make them seem extreme.

    Play a montage of Bill Maher’s comments strung together for example if you want to hear extreme comments.

    And, just like above, nobody is forced to watch, pay for, or agree with Bill Maher.

  • Anonymous

    Nobody was forced to attend this Texas event.

    No tax dollars were used for it.

    Nobody is forced to watch MSNBC.

    Nobody is forced to agree with Chris Matthews or MSNBC.

    (The GE “portion” of MSNBC pays no taxes.)

    Just as Matthews does, anybody could “cherry pick” comments out of context from anybody to make them seem extreme.

    Play a montage of Bill Maher’s comments strung together for example if you want to hear extreme comments.

    And, just like above, nobody is forced to watch, pay for, or agree with Bill Maher.

  • Anonymous

    Didn’t you just use parts, if not all of Lenin’s October Revolution speech?  Shouldn’t you have put quotations around such, and given Lenin his proper credit?

    Ohh, thats right, do what Lenin would do, lie cheat and steal for the glorious workers paradise. Honor and character are simply bourgeoise notions of weakness?

    Purveyor

  • Anonymous

    Howdy, from Mississippi, by way of Colorado

    I just read your Post, thoroughly.  An impressive litany of knowledge and facts you ran off.

    I hope, INSYDE GUY read it too.  He’s a Police Officer from NM.  Despite all his political failings, I’ve to view him as friend. (If one can have friends on the I net?)  Anyway, INSIDES, predisposition’s, considering his occupation, confuse me.  Yet he listens to me, and asks questions.  He’s honest and earnest.

    So,  I believe, INSIDE will cogitate on your lengthy and thorough Post.  Lastly,  truly believe his rhetoric is influenced by main stream media, because, he sounds like MSNBC got ahold of him.  LOL

    Purveyor  (thanks for the support) 

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