“Things are getting hotter than a Times Square Rolex”

“back against the wall, shirttails on fire”

“this race is shakier than cafeteria Jell-O.”

Ha!

Dan Rather: Obama Faces “Political Nightmare,” 2012 Primary Challenge

lol,, it’s good to be a Republican!

Seriously,, what threat is the lunatic left gonna do?
you think this country wants more left?
lol

Fact: Damn Rather fired CBS nobody gets in front of TV and does his best Helen Thomas impersonation!

By extending these tax brakes, yes he is in jeopardy. Most of us DON’T want the tax breaks extended! But the reps are holding unemployment extensions ransom. This is just not right… and we won’t forget that either.

Elaine B said:
By extending these tax brakes, yes he is in jeopardy. Most of us DON’T want the tax breaks extended! But the reps are holding unemployment extensions ransom. This is just not right… and we won’t forget that either.

You’ll remember it ,, take it,, swallow it,, and cast your stupid vote for Obama in 2012!!
lol
That’s already been factored in!

As Dan might say , this is making Obama ‘s base hotter than a billy goat in a pepper patch . If Obama doesn’t get the possum on the stump , Hillary’s going to run him out of the party like a turpentined cat .

I will probably vote for Obama again. It wasn’t him or the Dems that are holding unemployment extensions ransom.

Atticus Draco said:
Dan Rather: Obama Faces “Political Nightmare,” 2012 Primary Challenge

lol,, it’s good to be a Republican!

Seriously,, what threat is the lunatic left gonna do?
you think this country wants more left?
lol

Hillary Clinton!
If you weren’t so stupid you’d realize that your side doesn’t have anyone that could beat her. Not even if you dug Reagan up out of his grave. No one could beat Hillary Clinton if she decides to run. Who are you going to run – Romney and Palin?

I like Dapper Dan, but I have to disagree with this bit of analysis. Sure, Kucinich will probably run, but I think the only semi-serious challenger could be someone from the right and they’d likely drop out after New Hampshire.

A challenge from the right in the primaries could paint Obama as being more centrist or center-left and it’d position him well for what would likely be a rightist Republican, but I don’t see anyone on the left who has the stature and though there may be whispers as part of the lobbying game, I can’t see any “powers” willing to tilt at windmills to do the party harm.

Not to mention that though the majority of Dems wishes Obama doesn’t extend the cuts for the richest and we hope that if necessary, he’s willing to use the veto pen, we also hope he takes the rest of the play from Clinton book and no matter the outcome, he lays it all at the GOP’s feet.

Elaine B said:
By extending these tax brakes, yes he is in jeopardy. Most of us DON’T want the tax breaks extended! But the reps are holding unemployment extensions ransom. This is just not right… and we won’t forget that either.

Fact: Idiot. paycheck – taxes = take home pay. Most of us don’t want tax cuts?

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Atticus Draco said:
Dan Rather: Obama Faces “Political Nightmare,” 2012 Primary Challenge

lol,, it’s good to be a Republican!

Seriously,, what threat is the lunatic left gonna do?
you think this country wants more left?
lol

Hillary Clinton!
If you weren’t so stupid you’d realize that your side doesn’t have anyone that could beat her. Not even if you dug Reagan up out of his grave. No one could beat Hillary Clinton if she decides to run. Who are you going to run – Romney and Palin?

IF anybody knows current politics it’s Hillary
She is fully aware,, more times than not,, you gotta act like a bitch to the Republicans to get anywhere
Ask her husband
She aint gonna against Obama,, she’s gonna go out there and campaign for him
lol

ONLY Republicans are principled and just,,,
you go left,, we’ll kick your ass out
We dont allow our people to play that shit!
OH NO

“READ MY LIPS”
BYE! READ THE FOOT ON YOUR ASS!

Elaine B said:
I will probably vote for Obama again. It wasn’t him or the Dems that are holding unemployment extensions ransom.

of course you will, its knowen more votes are cast by stupid people than by educated people?…. Also More people on welfare that pay no taxes vote more then business owners and people who actually contribute to society.

when I say educated I mean at least at a high school grade level…. and we get what we have now….a hapless and helpless group of so-called leaders that pander to their base of entitlement voters.

LibertySister,

Where the hell do you get your facts from? Not4fox? Sounds like it.

Do you vote? Are you one of the uneducated votes on welfare?

dan rather is the most patriotic man in america…he foresaw how bad it would be for the country if bush was elected and he was right.
you guys destroyed out country and now you expect us to clean it up in just two years?
it’s a shame dan the patriot was unsuccessful.

Elaine B said:
I will probably vote for Obama again. It wasn’t him or the Dems that are holding unemployment extensions ransom.

If your kids layed on your couch eating your food and watching cable for 2 freaking years, would you put your foot in their ass and tell them to get a job or go borrow money from your neighbor so you could keep them on their ass for another year or so????????

ChiliPeppersFan said:
dan rather is the most patriotic man in america…he foresaw how bad it would be for the country if bush was elected and he was right.you guys destroyed out country and now you expect us to clean it up in just two years?it’s a shame dan the patriot was unsuccessful.

Now that’s funny, I don’t care who ya are.

I sure wish dealing with the government was just that simple.

But we need jobs first to get people off on unemployment. The two go together :) Jobs = employment. No Jobs = unemployment.

Can you follow the logic?

Elaine B said:
I sure wish dealing with the government was just that simple. But we need jobs first to get people off on unemployment. The two go together :) Jobs = employment. No Jobs = unemployment. Can you follow the logic?

Sure, why don’t you tax the living shit out of the guys that own the companies? That’ll keep unemployment good and high.

Timzank,

Where are you getting your information? It lack basic logic and your really not making very good sense at all.

First: The tax brakes that the American people wanted was and would include anyone who made $250,000 a year. Then… in case you were paying any attention some Republicans so no it would have to all of those above $250,000 as well or they would not extend the unemployment.

Second: Small companies was included int this.

Third: The top 1% are shipping jobs over seas to make more money and the greed bastards are richer then they ever were before and their profits have only increased. While the middle class income has only gone down.

OK?? Are you getting the picture yet?

How about we give tax brakes only to the big corporations that bring the jobs back home? Wouldn’t that make more sense?

Seriously

ChiliPeppersFan said:
dan rather is the most patriotic man in america…he foresaw how bad it would be for the country if bush was elected and he was right.you guys destroyed out country and now you expect us to clean it up in just two years?it’s a shame dan the patriot was unsuccessful.

So you support Dan lying about Bush’s service record, and pushing false information as truth?

Oh, and didn’t Obama and the Democrats say they’d be able to accomplish these things? I guess it’s not their fault they lied too.

Elaine B said:
Timzank, Where are you getting your information? It lack basic logic and your really not making very good sense at all. First: The tax brakes that the American people wanted was and would include anyone who made $250,000 a year. Then… in case you were paying any attention some Republicans so no it would have to all of those above $250,000 as well or they would not extend the unemployment. Second: Small companies was included int this. Third: The top 1% are shipping jobs over seas to make more money and the greed bastards are richer then they ever were before and their profits have only increased. While the middle class income has only gone down. OK?? Are you getting the picture yet? How about we give tax brakes only to the big corporations that bring the jobs back home? Wouldn’t that make more sense? Seriously

You’re funny too. Really you are.

ImNotBlue,

The truly sad thing was Dan wasn’t lying….

hate to tell ya elaine, but rather did put out the wrong information

Timzank,

Maybe it would help you to understand thing better if you read Let’s Not Make a Deal By PAUL KRUGMAN in the NY Times today.

Elaine B said:
ImNotBlue, The truly sad thing was Dan wasn’t lying….

False. The information was incorrect, and shown to be incorrect. Despite that, and despite evidence that he and his producer knew they were incorrect, they still reported them.

Please do your research.

cjd,

I think from what I remembered he was either set up or something like that. But that fact that Bush went AOL for awhile was fact.

No, Dan has to much integrity for that.

no he didnt, sorry, not a george bush fan either

Dan, tell Barry it’s over. The Community Organizer had his shot and be blew it big time. Time to let the adults take charge again.

Elaine B said:
I think from what I remembered he was either set up or something like that

Typical lib disinformation and spin.

FU!

Dan Rather is right
September 25, 2007 1:59 pm ET

The story was true. — Dan Rather, September 20

At first, I was wondering whose blood was boiling hotter last week when former CBS news anchor Dan Rather announced he had filed a $70 million lawsuit against his former employer in response to Rather’s unceremonious CBS exit following the botched 60 Minutes II story about President Bush and his military service.

Was it executives at CBS News who now face the prospect of reliving one of the network’s darkest chapters via endless depositions from a plaintiff who says he won’t accept a cash settlement?

Or was it right-wing bloggers, some of whom likely punched their TV sets in frustration watching Rather go on national television and claim, correctly, that nobody has ever proven that the memos he used in his report were fake, and pointing out that the basic facts of the Texas Air National Guard story — that Bush walked away from his military commitment during the Vietnam War for months at a time–are still not in dispute.

After all, for lots of Bush bloggers, two absolute truths that must never be questioned in public are that the CBS memos were proven forgeries (they weren’t), and that the whole Bush-skipped-out-on-his-National-Guard-duty story was bogus (it wasn’t).

Turns out, though, it wasn’t the suits at CBS or the right-wing bloggers who busted the biggest vein over Rather’s lawsuit. It was mainstream journalists who rushed in to denounce the former anchorman as dishonest, arrogant, bitter, and delusional, all the while making sure not to take up Rather’s challenge of addressing the underlying facts of the story surrounding Bush’s no-show military service.

Right-wing bloggers may have sparked the so-called Memogate story in 2004 by raising doubts about the military memos, but three years later it is the mainstream press that is adamant in condemning Rather, forcefully declaring the Guard story to be bogus because CBS was caught using memos that it could not authenticate.

That’s why last week we got muddled recaps about how “CBS made allegations about Bush’s Air National Guard Service during the Vietnam War. Problem was, the report wasn’t based on authenticated documents.” And it’s why the Los Angeles Times referred to “a wholly unsubstantiated ’60 Minutes II’ segment alleging that a young George W. Bush used family connections to obtain favorable treatment that allowed him to evade service in the Texas Air National Guard.” [Emphasis added.]

The simple, yet apparently elusive, truth is that CBS’ report on Bush and the National Guard could have (and should have) been broadcast without the controversial memos. And if it had been, the results would have been exactly the same. Meaning, the documents were irrelevant because they provided texture (the supposed frustration of Bush’s commander), not new facts about Bush’s service. Yet journalists pretend the memos are the National Guard story and that without them, questions about Bush’s military dodge disappear. Why do they think that? Based on the coverage last week, it’s clear that journalists who mocked Rather still don’t have the slightest clue what the established facts of the Guard story are.

That’s not so surprising considering they spent two entire presidential campaign cycles doing their best to avoid the Guard story. (The primary exception was Walter Robinson at The Boston Globe, who nailed the story in 2000, only to watch his mainstream colleagues collectively ignore it.) The CBS controversy in 2004 simply provided the cover journalists needed to walk away from the story, and it’s the same cover they cling to today.

Now, I realize the accepted Beltway media takeaway from CBS’ National Guard controversy is supposed to be that the network was guilty of a colossal, historic newsroom blunder from which there is no possible defense or redemption. (Personally, I’ll leave that category to the Judy Millers of the world.) But the dirty little secret that bloggers and mainstream journalists don’t want to discuss is that Rather is right — the National Guard story was true.

The Guard story is true because in the spring of 1972, with 770 days left of required duty, then-Lt. Bush unilaterally decided that he was done fulfilling his military obligation and walked away from the Guard. For the next two years it was as if Air Force and Guard regulations simply did not apply to Bush, who became a ghost-like figure, doing — or not doing — whatever he pleased, unsupervised and unrated by his commanders. In the military, there is a simple personnel rule: All duty is supervised and rated. Except when it came to Bush, the son of a congressman. That’s all obvious from Bush’s own military records, or lack thereof. (More on that later.)

Moreover, Rather was also right last week in claiming that CBS News management panicked in the wake of the Memogate scandal and quickly tossed aside its journalism standards in desperate, blatant attempts to mend fences with the Bush White House. The examples were numerous, yet the press pretends Rather’s a conspiracy nut for making the suggestions.

Keep in mind, I’m not defending CBS’ work here. Years ago I detailed the many mistakes producer Mary Mapes and her team made in needlessly rushing their Texas Air National Guard story onto the air, and how holes in the story were not communicated up the CBS chain of command before the report aired. In fact, as somebody who in 2004 wrote extensively about Bush’s missing years in the Guard, and who tried to lay out the facts in hopes that the mainstream media would take more interest in the story, I was furious when Memogate broke. Furious because I knew that the press, spooked by the right-wing pitchfork mob that had assembled online, was going to run — not walk — away from the story for fear of raising the same ire.

The same political press corps that had spent the month of August 2004 endlessly dissecting Sen. John Kerry’s war record in search of evidence to support the bogus claims of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, those same journalists became obsessed in September 2004, with detailing the CBS scandal while willfully ignoring the larger National Guard story. “Everyone in the media wanted to cover CBS, not the National Guard story,” wrote Mapes.

And now it’s déjà vu all over again: In the wake of last week’s lawsuit, everyone in the media wants to cover Rather, not the National Guard story.

That’s why media chatterers glossed over the facts surrounding Bush’s Guard service in order to rush out onto the playground to be among the first cool kids to make fun of Dan Rather — he’s just like disgraced novelist James Frey! Ha-ha.

The Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz reported that in the wake of the lawsuit “many” of Rather’s friends think he’s “lost it,” although Kurtz didn’t bother to identify any of Rather’s “friends” who think that. Hosting CNN’s Reliable Sources, Kurtz stacked the show’s panel with invited guests who all mocked and belittled Rather (“sad,” “pathetic,” “arrogant”). Kurtz also wondered out loud how Rather could possibly claim the National Guard story was true if CBS “could not authenticate those 30-year-old National Guard memos?” See, for Kurtz, the memos are the Guard story. (He and right-wing bloggers think alike.)

Washington Post editorial page staff writer Charles Lane typed up a humor-free Rather parody for the newspaper and then, dutifully hitting all the agreed-upon Beltway media talking points, insisted that “no one in his right mind would keep insisting that those phony documents are real and that the Bush National Guard story is true.”

See, it’s impossible that the memos could be unreliable but the Guard story itself be true. Think of it as a trial: Everybody knows that if one piece of evidence is discredited, that means the whole case is flawed. I mean, c’mon, people.

Similarly, a report at Newsweek.com focused on whether Rather looked like a “pathetic” “loser” for filing his lawsuit. (The nasty quotes were made anonymously, of course.) The Newsweek article never bothered to address the larger facts of the National Guard story. The same was true of the Los Angeles Times piece, headlined, “Dan Rather’s lawsuit is an act of ego.” The paper thundered on and on about how awful Rather is and demeaned his lawsuit as a “pathetic and contradictory exercise in self-justification.”

In fact, the Times was obsessed with Rather last week, printing not one, not two, but three bitter condemnations of him. And no, none of them shed any serious light on Rather’s suggestion that his National Guard story was true.

CBS News tried to make nice with Bush White House

Meanwhile, Rather is also correct in his claim that amidst the so-called Memogate scandal, nervous CBS executives capitulated in order to “pacify the [Bush] White House,” “appease angry government officials,” and “curry favor with the Bush administration.”

For instance, there was CBS’ shameful decision in September 2004 not to run a previously scheduled, and factually solid, story done by the late Ed Bradley that chronicled how the Bush administration had misled the country into war. Bradley’s in-depth investigation, had it aired in 2004, would have been the first by a major network news outlet to devote serious time and energy to investigating the baffling case of the forged Niger documents that were used as a pivotal propaganda tool in the administration’s push for war.

But spooked by the unfolding Memogate controversy, CBS abdicated its news responsibility and announced that Bradley’s story would not be broadcast. “We now believe it would be inappropriate to air the report so close to the presidential election,” a CBS flack announced. So close? The election was six weeks away. And since when was it journalism’s job to stay out of the way of current events?

Around the same time, the first presidential debate between Bush and Kerry took place. Immediately following Bush’s dreadful, petulant performance, every flash poll taken showed that by overwhelming margins Americans thought Kerry had clearly bested Bush. Yet CBS News viewers were told the debate had been a tie. Even after CBS’ instant poll showed Kerry winning the debate in a blowout, by 44 percent-to-26 percent, CBS’ John Roberts announced that the televised face-off had been “as close to a draw as you could possibly come.”

Just days after the debate, CBS owner and Viacom chairman Sumner Redstone announced he was voting for Bush, insisting that from a Viacom standpoint, “the election of a Republican administration is a better deal.”

And keep in mind that in the wake of CBS’ Memogate scandal, Bob Schieffer replaced Dan Rather as CBS Nightly News anchorman. CBS boss Les Moonves quickly breathed a sigh of relief, telling reporters, “The White House doesn’t hate CBS anymore with Schieffer in the [anchor] chair.” Moonves noted Schieffer was looked upon favorably by 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. And why not — Schieffer’s brother is a longtime friend and former business partner of Bush’s.

And, oh yeah, how do I know the story about Bush evading his military service is true even though bloggers and the mainstream media declared, in the wake of Memogate, that it was not? It’s easy. Using Bush’s own military records, I’ll list 10 glaring discrepancies regarding his fraudulent military service, none of which is based on the disputed memos that were aired by CBS News in 2004. And yes, I’m pretty sure all 10 discrepancies will come as news flashes to the same journalists who mocked Rather last week for having the temerity to suggest his National Guard report was true. (Most of the discrepancies were unearthed over the years by online researchers Marty Heldt, Paul Lukasiak, and Robert Rogers.)

The quick back story: Following his graduation from Yale University in 1968, at a time when nearly 350 U.S. troops were dying each week in Vietnam, Bush managed to vault to the top of a 500-person waiting list to land a coveted spot in the Texas Air National Guard. On his application where the form asked for “background qualifications of value to the Air Force,” Bush wrote, “None.” Despite a complete lack of aviation or ROTC experience, despite scoring in the 25th percentile on his pilot aptitude section — the lowest allowed score for aspiring fliers — and despite having been arrested twice for college pranks, as well as having four driving infractions, Bush was approved for an automatic commission as a second lieutenant and assigned to flight school.

In spring 1972, after receiving $1 million worth of taxpayer-funded flight training, Bush unilaterally decided he was going to stop flying and attempted to transfer from his Houston base to a non-flying, paper-pushing postal unit in Alabama. The request was denied. While Bush searched for a new unit, he took the summer off, never bothering to show up for his mandatory monthly drills. Bush was eventually ordered to report to a flying unit in Montgomery, Alabama. There is no evidence Bush ever showed up there, which means he missed more weekend training sessions. In July of that summer, Bush also failed to take his mandatory annual physical and was grounded by the Guard. In 1973 Bush was supposed to return to his base in Houston but again he was a no-show; his commanders in May 1973 claimed they had no idea where he was. Then between the summer of 1973 to the time he was discharged in 1974, there’s little evidence that Bush ever attended training sessions, which means for nearly two years Bush snubbed his Guard duty.

Here are the 10 discrepancies that would have gotten any other Air National Guard member severely reprimanded, and certainly would have, later in life, derailed any presidential aspirations:

1. Upon entering the Guard, Bush agreed that flying was his “lifetime pursuit” and that he would fly for the military for at least 60 months. After his training was complete, he owed 53 more months of flying.

Bush flew for only 22 of those 53 months.

2. In May 1972, Bush left the Houston Guard base for Alabama. According to Air Force regulations, Bush was supposed to obtain prior authorization before leaving Texas to join a new Guard unit in Alabama.

Bush failed to get the authorization.

3. On his transfer request to Alabama Bush was asked to list his “permanent address.”

He wrote down a post office box number for the campaign where he was working on a temporary basis.

4. According to Air Force regulations, “[a] member whose attendance record is poor must be closely monitored. When the unexcused absences reach one less than the maximum permitted [sic] he must be counseled and a record made of the counseling. If the member is unavailable he must be advised by personal letter.”

There is no record that Bush ever received such counseling, despite the fact that he missed drills for months on end.

5. Bush’s unit was obligated to report to the Personnel Center at Randolph Air Force Base whenever a monthly review of records showed unsatisfactory participation for an officer.

Bush’s unit never reported his absenteeism to Randolph Air Force Base.

6. In July 1972, Bush failed to take a mandatory Guard physical exam, which is a serious offense for a Guard pilot. The move should have prompted the formation of a Flying Evaluation Board to investigate the circumstances surrounding Bush’s failure.

No such Flying Evaluation Board was convened.

7. On Sept. 29, 1972, Bush was formally grounded for failing to take a flight physical. The letter, written by the chief of the National Guard Bureau, ordered Bush to acknowledge in writing that he had received word of his grounding.

No such written acknowledgment exists.

8. Each time Bush missed a monthly training session he was supposed to schedule a make-up session, or file substitute service requests. Bush’s numerous substitute service requests should have formed a lengthy paper trail with the name of the officer who authorized the training in advance, the signature of the officer who supervised the training and Bush’s own signature.

No such documents exist.

9. During his last year with the Texas Air National Guard, Bush missed a majority of his mandatory monthly training sessions and supposedly made them up with substitute service. Guard regulations allowed substitute service only in circumstances that were “beyond the control” of the Guard member.

Neither Bush nor the Texas Air National Guard ever explained what the uncontrollable circumstances were that forced him to miss so many of his assigned drills during his last year.

10. On June 29, 1973, the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver instructed Bush’s commanders to get additional information from his Alabama unit, where he had supposedly trained, in order to better evaluate Bush’s duty.

Bush’s commanders ignored the request.

But why do I bother with these silly facts? Everybody knows the Guard story is bogus. And everybody knows Dan Rather is crazy for suggesting otherwise.

Sorry about that all, I should have just posted the link.

“Dan Rather: Obama Faces “Political Nightmare,” 2012 Primary Challenge”

The lunatic-left d-crat socialists try to get Hugo Chavez nominated – if they can get a kenyan extremist in, why not a venezuelan extremist?

Elaine B said:
I will probably vote for Obama again. It wasn’t him or the Dems that are holding unemployment extensions ransom.

The Democrats have held most of the power for 2 years now. They had every opportunity to pass unemployment extensions. If you do some research you will see that it was some Democrats who actually had concerns about the extension and would have voted the other way.

We all get higher taxes and the guy who wanted to lower them is getting blamed.

How is this good for anyone except rich people? lol

Our country sucks.

Elaine… the documents were fake. They failed to check them out, and lied and said they did.

All that stuff above is nonsense. You cannot re-write this history.

(PS- Where did you above article come from? I’m sure it’s a terrific source.)

Yes, it’s all true. And Dan has the documents to prove it. Well, they’re almost done. Some font issues.

Elaine B said:
cjd, I think from what I remembered he was either set up or something like that. But that fact that Bush went AOL for awhile was fact.

Bush went AOL? Well so did Ted Turner.

Bush did not “go” AWOL. Back in those days one could not go AWOL from the NG.

Dave Richards said:
The Democrats have held most of the power for 2 years now. They had every opportunity to pass unemployment extensions. If you do some research you will see that it was some Democrats who actually had concerns about the extension and would have voted the other way.

The Democrats “doing nothing” is much better than fucking up everything, like when Bush was in office. He pretty much ruined our country.. and when the GOP gets it back again, I promise you, everything will become about making corporations and rich people happy.

Just make sure you’re rich, then you’ll be fine though. Most Republicans are rich right? You guys’ll be fine.

lol, well I am not familiar with military terms, I was never in the service. oops :)

Only 701 days until the President is voted out of office.

Now, per Dan, he may not even get that far.

The guy is more like Jimmy Carter every day.

Jon Martin said:
The Democrats “doing nothing” is much better than fucking up everything, like when Bush was in office. He pretty much ruined our country.. and when the GOP gets it back again, I promise you, everything will become about making corporations and rich people happy. Just make sure you’re rich, then you’ll be fine though. Most Republicans are rich right? You guys’ll be fine.

I can’t remember… are Republicans the rich greedy guys running everything, or the poor toothless uneducated rednecks this week. It’s tough to follow your stereotypes, I just need to know which one you’re going with this week.

Dave Richards says:

Do you know how many times in the last 2 years we had unemployment extended already? Hey buddy, this will be the 3rd time.

Eric said:
Hillary Clinton!If you weren’t so stupid you’d realize that your side doesn’t have anyone that could beat her. Not even if you dug Reagan up out of his grave. No one could beat Hillary Clinton if she decides to run. Who are you going to run – Romney and Palin?

Here is what is happening in the real world.

From Politico………………..

Bush job approval rating higher than Obama’s

George W. Bush’s job approval rating as president has spiked to 47 percent, according to a Gallup poll released Monday.
That’s 1 point higher than President Barack Obama’s job approval rating in a poll taken the same week.

Jon Martin says:

That last message goes to you too.

What’s the frequency, Kenneth…

Elaine B said:
Sorry about that all, I should have just posted the link.

Fact: Here is a good one for you. This is not a hack site!
http://www.ask.com/wiki/George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy

Elaine B said:
Everybody knows the Guard story is bogus. And everybody knows Dan Rather is crazy for suggesting otherwise.

Poor baby, your whole story is false.

Bush Guard Service, The True Story
By Gordon Bloyer (08/31/04)

This is the only place that you will get the full and true story of President Bush’s Air National Guard service. There are no UNANSWERED questions. There are no missing records. He did not miss any meetings. The truth is known. You can find everything in this article, in other publications but none of the others are complete. You have to put them all together to get the full story. It

First, in answer to the charge that Bush was AWOL or missed meetings, George Bush was NEVER assigned to the Alabama Guard. This is a myth promoted by the “objective” media. Here is what really happened. Here is what the head of the Alabama Guard said.

Turnipseed states Bush was never ordered to report to the Alabama Air National Guard. He points out that Bush never transferred from the Texas Air National Guard to the Alabama Air National Guard. He remained in the Texas Guard during his stay in Alabama. This was confirmed by the Texas Guard. And Turnipseed added that Bush was never under his command or any other officer in the Alabama Guard.

Turnipseed added that Bush was informed of the drill schedule of the Alabama Guard as a courtesy so he could get credit for drills while in Alabama for his service record in the Texas Guard. There was no compulsory attendance. This was also confirmed by the Texas Guard.

This was reported in the Chicago Sun-Times and has never been picked up by any other news organization. Turnipseed then also added.

For Bush to be “AWOL” or “away without leave,” he would have had to have been assigned to a unit and under its command.

For the liberals reading this, go back and read it again. You see, Bush did NOT miss any meetings. The whole argument is nonsense. He got permission from his commanding officer to go to Alabama and attend meetings as a courtesy so he could attend when he could. Another part of this attack is that no one saw Bush at the meetings he did attend. It was reported that Turnipseed never saw Bush. Read what was reported about that.

Turnipseed reversed gear after retired Lt. Col. John “Bill” Calhoun went public to say that not only did he remember Bush in Alabama, but that it was Turnipseed himself that introduced the two. Oops. And really…the media is completely asleep at the switch on this one. How many people that you saw a few times do you remember from 30 years ago?

Why didn’t fellow pilots see Bush in Alabama? The planes being flown by the Alabama Guard were not the same as the F102 that Bush was trained on. Why would pilots see him if he was not flying? That is why Lt. Col. Calhoun came forward to say that was Bush was in his office for study and drill time. Remember he was not assigned to the unit, he did NOT have to be there.

The following is from a letter by Col. William Campenni Ret. published in the Washington Times.

There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 21/2 years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt. Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure weren’t getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service? Yeah, tell that to those guys. The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush’s tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one’s life.

Here is some information that the “objective” media avoids telling you. John Kerry joined the Navy Reserve, he did not JOIN the Navy. The Reserve was just like the National Guard. Kerry did NOT know he would be sent to Vietnam.

George Bush joined the Guard for a SIX-year term. If you are drafted, you only have to serve TWO years. Bush probably did not need to pull strings to get into a jet fighter unit. Jets required a greater time commitment than normal Guard postings. Pilots from the unit that he joined were being sent to Vietnam. All the publications that have researched this have concluded that there is NO evidence that he used any influence to get into the Guard. The liberal publications will say that there is no evidence, but it is still suspicious. That is a good journalistic standard? So, do you get it, Bush joined a unit that at the time was serving in Vietnam.

The following is research from aerospaceweb.org ……..

Nevertheless, we have established that the F-102 was serving in combat in Vietnam at the time Bush enlisted to become an F-102 pilot. In fact, pilots from the 147th FIG of the Texas ANG were routinely rotated to Vietnam for combat duty under a program called “Palace Alert” from 1968 to 1970. Palace Alert was an Air Force program that sent qualified F-102 pilots from the ANG to bases in Europe or southeast Asia for periods of three to six months for frontline duty. Fred Bradley, a friend of Bush’s who was also serving in the Texas ANG, reported that he and Bush inquired about participating in the Palace Alert program. However, the two were told by a superior, MAJ Maurice Udell, that they were not yet qualified since they were still in training and did not have the 500 hours of flight experience required. Furthermore, ANG veteran COL William Campenni, who was a fellow pilot in the 111th FIS at the time, told the Washington Times that Palace Alert was winding down and not accepting new applicants.

As he was completing training and being certified as a qualified F-102 pilot, Bush’s squadron was a likely candidate to be rotated to Vietnam. However, the F-102 was built for a type of air combat that wasn’t seen during that conflict, and the plane was withdrawn from southeast Asia in December 1969. The F-102 was instead returned to its primary role of providing air defense for the United States. In addition, the mission of Ellington AFB, where Bush was stationed, was also changing from air defense alert to training all F-102 pilots in the US for Air National Guard duty. Lt. Bush remained in the ANG as a certified F-102 pilot who participated in frequent drills and alerts through April of 1972. … By this time, the 147th Fighter Wing was also beginning to transition from the F-102 to the F-101F, an updated version of the F-101B used primarily for air defense patrols. Furthermore, the war in Vietnam was nearing its end and the US was withdrawing its forces from the theater. Air Force personnel returning to the US created a glut of active-duty pilots, and there were not enough aircraft available to accommodate all of the qualified USAF and ANG pilots. Since USAF personnel had priority for the billets available, many of the Air National Guard pilots whose enlistments were nearly complete requested early release. The ANG was eager to fulfill these requests because there was not enough time to retrain F-102 pilots to operate new aircraft before their enlistments were up anyway. Bush was one of those forced out by the transition, and he was honorably discharged as a first lieutenant in October 1973, eight months before his six-year enlistment was complete. Bush had approximately 600 flight hours by the time he completed his military service.

The folks at aerospaceweb concluded………

While Bush did not see combat in Vietnam, it is also obvious he was not seeking a way to avoid the risk of being sent to Vietnam. At the time he was training to be an F102 pilot, ANG units and that aircraft type were based in Vietnam.

In conclusion, there is no evidence Bush got special treatment to join the Guard. He did NOT miss any meetings, he was not assigned to the Alabama Guard. The reason the so called “objective” media holds on to this myth is that it lets them keep asking, where was Bush? The issue of his being grounded is also answered because he would no longer be flying since his plane was obsolete and he did not have enough Guard time left to train in a new jet. You don’t need to report for a physical if you are not flying. Duh!

Kerry joined the Navy Reserve and did not expect to go to Vietnam. When Kerry did go to Vietnam the swift boats were not during river patrols. They were doing coastal patrols and were not in much danger. That is when he volunteered to join the Swiftee’s. The assignment of those boats was changed after he was accepted for the duty. Surprise, he got action and the rest is disputed history.

The information in this article was published in “George Magazine”, “New York Times”, “Washington Times”, “Chicago Sun-Times”, “Washington Post” and aerospaceweb.org.

its better if it is a third party link, not written by yourself, just saying if you want to convince anyone

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200709250005
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/opinion/06krugman.html?_r=1

I trust my sources.

Elaine B said:
lol, well I am not familiar with military terms, I was never in the service. oops :)

More on Bush not being AWOL. being AWOL comes under the UCMJ(Uniform Code of Military Justice). The National Guard does not come under the UCMJ unless activated by the President. There is no such thing as being AWOL in the NG.

media matters and some other guy’s opinion ,not much better

Again, I trust my sources.

Ok, Richard. So the guard doesn’t have AWOL. Then he didn’t show up, is that better??

Elaine B said:
The information in this article was published in “George Magazine”, “New York Times”, “Washington Times”, “Chicago Sun-Times”, “Washington Post” and aerospaceweb.org.

The information in this article was published in “George Magazine”, “New York Times”, “Washington Times”, “Chicago Sun-Times”, “Washington Post” and aerospaceweb.org.

George Magazine was published by Little John John Kennedy.

So the liar Dan Rather said what? And why should I care what the liar Dan Rather said, anyway?

Atticus Draco said:
Dan Rather: Obama Faces “Political Nightmare,” 2012 Primary Challenge

lol,, it’s good to be a Republican!

Seriously,, what threat is the lunatic left gonna do?
you think this country wants more left?
lol

Man your short term memory is shot ain;t it?

The deal they are working on is a two year exstention on the tax cuts for everyone, and a one year extension on unemployment for some.

What a great way to cut down the debt.

And the banks are wondering when to give out their gigantic bonuses because they’re not sure of the tax rate. Luckily they have the GOP fighting hard to make sure they get to keep more of their gigantic bonuses while they say FU to the rest of us.

Please Democrats , learn how to fight.

check the other thread cosmos

Dan Rather may know the frequency, but he doesn’t have a grasp of economics. By extending these tax cuts, Obama will set the stage of an economic recovery in 2011. And that will give him at least some small chance of getting re-elected. If he followed Mr. Rather’s advice, and let tax rates go up next year, he would send the country back into a recession, and would have no chance at re-election.

Face it, liberals, your Keynsian economics just don’t work. Look at how little you got by throwing away a trillion dollars in worthless stimulus! The led to ZERO economic growth and ZERO job creation. In contrast, the Bush tax cuts created a very impressive five-year economic expansion. As did the Reagan tax cuts in the 1980s. And the Kennedy tax cuts in the 1960s. The lessons of history are clear here, and those who ignore them do so at their own peril.

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felixw said:
Face it, liberals, your Keynsian economics just don’t work.

Liberalism itself can never work. In order to force everything to be “equal”, the left has to treat people unequally. It always leads to problems.

A new book out on Obama:
“Radical-in-Chief: Barack Obama and the Untold Story of American Socialism”
http://www.amazon.com/Radical—Chief-Barack-American-Socialism/dp/1439155089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291701069&sr=8-1

I bring this up because the idea of destroying the country IS Obama’s goal.

Elaine B said:
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200709250005http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/opinion/06krugman.html?_r=1 I trust my sources.

Elaine B said:
Again, I trust my sources.

Elaine B said:
felixw, That is total nonsense! lol!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!! Amazing….

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Elain B:
Most of us don’t want the tax-breaks?!! Why would you defend higher taxes? Why do you think this government has a right to take your money for any purpose other than what the Constitution says your tax money is for? When did you first buy into the notion that this, or any government has the right to take from you, the person who earned the money, and give it to people who didn’t? By any standard, a government that does that is a rogue government, and should be overthrown!!

Elaine B said:
Again, I trust my sources.

Incredibly idiotic.