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Exclusive: Helen Thomas On Fox News’ Front Row Seat “Too Bad!”

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It may sound corny to some, but Helen Thomas is never very far a way from my thoughts, but the occasion of the White House Correspondents Association’s re-assignment of her iconic front-row center seat in the Brady Briefing Room provided me with the impetus to speak with Helen for the first time since her controversial retirement. I called her this afternoon to reconnect, and to get her reaction to the news. I was surprised to learn that my call was the first she’d heard of it. Her reaction, and those of some of our colleagues, after the jump.

When I asked her if she’d like to say a few words about the Associated Press’ assignment to her old seat, she said “The Associated Press? I thought they already had a (front row) seat.”

I explained that they would be moving to the center seat, a scenario that I floated in June in response to Chris Wallace’s gloating on the matter.  She asked “Well, who’s getting their old seat?”

I told her it would be Fox News.

“Too bad.” she replied. Asked to elaborate, she said “What do I think of it? I think that I have no say, no power over that anymore…I hope they do a good job.”

I told her I was sure they would. Major Garrett and Wendell Goler are credits to the profession of journalism.

I also took the opportunity to thank Helen for being such a good friend and role model in the year-and-a-half we worked together. She sounded good, better than I’ve ever heard her when she wasn’t having a go at Robert Gibbs. She also sent her love to her former colleagues.

Other reactions included Major Garrett‘s characteristically humble spreading of the credit to his colleagues at Fox News:

Those of us who will sit in the front owe a debt to Jim Angle, Carl Cameron, Bret Baier and network that supported them.

New York Daily News correspondent Ken Bazinet agrees that “The board got this decision right. This was a no-brainer from the start. Fox has the numbers to back up it’s argument for moving and AP indeed belongs front and center.”

White House uber-tweeter Mark Knoller remarked, “You don’t need a front row seat to cover the White House skillfully.”

While the big story here is the front row, Knoller is absolutely right. The practical difference between 2nd and 1st rows is almost nonexistent. The ripples of these moves will be felt more by people like my friend Bill Press, who says “I think it was a Solomonesque decision that will offend no one. The main advantage? Now maybe Gibbs will more readily get to the fourth and fifth rows – where the best questions come from!”

Like Knoller, The Daily Caller’s Jon Ward has a suggestion for better question equity. “Its what I expected and Fox deserves to join the other networks there. I’m very happy that the foreign press outlets now have a dedicated chair as well. I’d still like to see a pool seat in the first three rows so reporters from different outlets can rotate in and get a chance to break into the regular pattern of questioners.”

For most of us, that front-row center seat will always be Helen Thomas’ seat. In the month following her resignation, it remained empty during briefings, but it remained the first destination for visitors to the Brady Briefing Room, press and non-press alike. After exactly one month, USA Today’s David Jackson became the first of a very few reporters who got to sit in Helen’s seat before it was reassigned. Only 5 White House reporters can claim that privilege, and here they are:

I confess that, aside from Jackson, I only recognize Ebony Magazine’s Kevin Chapell and HuffPo’s Sam Stein. I’ve only sat in the front row once, and was so unnerved, I never tried it again.

Still unknown is what will happen to Helen’s nameplate. Given time and context, I hope that this symbol of Helen’s historic importance is given a place of honor on the wall of the Brady Briefing Room in which she worked for so many years.

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  • More Liberty

    Who really cares what this bigot thinks.

  • http://apostrophejones.com Apostrophe jones

    The picture . Which one is Helen ?

  • Penguin60

    Apostrophe jones said:
    The picture . Which one is Helen ?

    Damn, you beat me to it!

  • juan

    Most are JourNoListas!

  • michiganruth

    Helen’s a “good friend and role model” for Tommy? yikes. I look forward to Tommy’s next article about the all-powerful Joos and how we should send them back to Poland.

  • More Liberty

    michiganruth said:
    Helen’s a “good friend and role model” for Tommy? yikes. I look forward to Tommy’s next article about the all-powerful Joos and how we should send them back to Poland.

    Good point.

  • ImNotBlue

    It may sound corny to some, but Helen Thomas is never very far a way from my thoughts…

    With the kind of advocacy journalism you’ve been practicing… I don’t think anyone is surprised that Helen Thomas is close at heart. To peas in a non-journalist pod.

    White House uber-tweeter Mark Knoller remarked, “You don’t need a front row seat to cover the White House skillfully.”

    And really, that’s why when it comes down to it, this doesn’t much matter. It’s the symbolism… not the effect.

  • notsofast

    Helen, go back to Germany, Poland, Lebanon or whichever country that will countenance your bigotry.

    It may sound corny to some, but Helen Thomas is never very far a way from my thoughts…”

    Not corny, but pathetic and totally unremarkable since you are such a race-baiter yourself.

  • Iris

    You bunch of right wing hatemongering old farts, “which one is Helen, naa, naa, naa, naa” Like you old bald headed, beer gut, ugly, fat tubs of lard need to be talking about how anyone looks, you who sit there 24/7 spewing hate cause you have no life whatsoever and no one can stand to be around you old fart morons

  • http://apostrophejones.com Apostrophe jones

    Iris is unusually rational today .

  • NORBIT

    Hey Tommy, where’d you meet up with her? – at a Jewish Deli?…….or was it the “Drive Israel Into The Sea” Convention???
    LOL!!!
    ———————————————————–

  • Cecelia

    “The picture . Which one is Helen ?”

    You mean that’s not Margret Hamilton and a flying monkey?

  • juan

    Those photos reflect the Slobbering Statist Obama Media!

  • More Liberty

    Iris said:
    You bunch of right wing hatemongering old farts, “which one is Helen, naa, naa, naa, naa” Like you old bald headed, beer gut, ugly, fat tubs of lard need to be talking about how anyone looks, you who sit there 24/7 spewing hate cause you have no life whatsoever and no one can stand to be around you old fart morons

    That’s a pretty bold statement coming from a group of people that fantasied about murdering the former president by creating an actual movie. That’s just one example.

  • BatBoy

    I also took the opportunity to thank Helen for being such a good friend and role model in the year-and-a-half we worked together.

    As my mother use to say…”show me your friends and i’ll tell you who you are!”

    It explains alot!

  • gary

    Who is the ugly one on the left.

  • The Real Royal King

    Iris said:
    You bunch of right wing hatemongering old farts, “which one is Helen, naa, naa, naa, naa” Like you old bald headed, beer gut, ugly, fat tubs of lard need to be talking about how anyone looks, you who sit there 24/7 spewing hate cause you have no life whatsoever and no one can stand to be around you old fart morons

    Don’t hold back, Iris.

    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE OCEAN
    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE SEA
    FOX NEWS ALWAYS LIES
    WHEREVER BONNIE MAY BE.

  • BatBoy

    Iris said:
    You bunch of right wing hatemongering old farts, “which one is Helen, naa, naa, naa, naa” Like you old bald headed, beer gut, ugly, fat tubs of lard need to be talking about how anyone looks, you who sit there 24/7 spewing hate cause you have no life whatsoever and no one can stand to be around you old fart morons

    Iris…YOU need to look at who is spewing hate … for you it will only take a mirror!

  • The Real Royal King

    Cecelia said:
    “The picture . Which one is Helen ?” You mean that’s not Margret Hamilton and a flying monkey?

    Cecelia, the topic is Tommy Christopher and Helen Thomas, not Mark Koldys and Janet Hawkins.

    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE OCEAN
    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE SEA
    FOX NEWS ALWAYS LIES
    WHEREVER BONNIE MAY BE.

  • Cecelia

    “Cecelia, the topic is Tommy Christopher and Helen Thomas, not Mark Koldys and Janet Hawkins.”

    Okay, so I was right the first time.

  • Iris

    Like I said you pitiful old hatemongering right wing farts that have nothing better to do with the waning years of their lives than to sit on their fat asses every waking hour at a computer to laugh at how somebody looks.
    Beyond pitiful.

  • Pablo

    Iris said:
    Like I said you pitiful old hatemongering right wing farts that have nothing better to do with the waning years of their lives than to sit on their fat asses every waking hour at a computer to laugh at how somebody looks.
    Beyond pitiful.

    While the life of someone who’s spend their time writing this? Pure bliss, baby. You’re funny, viris.

  • The Real Royal King

    Iris said:
    Like I said you pitiful old hatemongering right wing farts that have nothing better to do with the waning years of their lives than to sit on their fat asses every waking hour at a computer to laugh at how somebody looks.Beyond pitiful.

    It’s against my better judgment, Iris, but I gave you a Thumb’s Up for your passion. I won’t comment on the substance of your remarks, because, as you know, I am widely repected by the radical rightists on this site.

    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE OCEAN
    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE SEA
    FOX NEWS ALWAYS LIES
    WHEREVER BONNIE MAY BE.

  • More Liberty

    hey Mediaite, you going to do a story on CNN’s Lemon and Al Sharpton trying to spread race baiting fear about the ethics violation investigation against Rangle and Waters being “racially motivated.” Yeah…..didn’t think so.

  • More Liberty

    The Real Royal King said:
    It’s against my better judgment, Iris, but I gave you a Thumb’s Up for your passion. I won’t comment on the substance of your remarks, because, as you know, I am widely repected by the radical rightists on this site.

    You’ve been caught spreading lies and fear mongering. Why would anyone respect you? Good thing Thomas – J caught your lie last week.

  • Iris

    Yeah Pablum, bliss is right , I am happy enough not to have to beat up a 90 year old lady to make myself feel better like you mean nasty old miserable right wing farts.

  • Cecelia

    I can understand your mistake, Iris, but Tommy is not a 90 year old lady.

  • More Liberty

    Iris said:
    Yeah Pablum, bliss is right , I am happy enough not to have to beat up a 90 year old lady to make myself feel better like you mean nasty old miserable right wing farts.

    Whatever makes you feel better. Personally, I don’t give a rats-a$$ about the feelings of some 90 year old bigot. She’s hateful, and although as a Libertarian I respect her right to be a bigot, I’ve also got a right to point out her hate.

  • Iris

    cece and I bet you’re a regular Dana Perinno , sure thats why why you’re here making fun of a 90 year old lady cause you have such a wonderful life

  • The Real Royal King

    More Liberty said:
    hey Mediaite, you going to do a story on CNN’s Lemon and Al Sharpton trying to spread race baiting fear about the ethics violation investigation against Rangle and Waters being “racially motivated.” Yeah…..didn’t think so.

    Elaborate on that story, please. I’m not at all certain that was the conclusion drawn. I think no conclusion was drawn other than we have to be sensitive to such concerns. That is unreasonable?

    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE OCEAN
    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE SEA
    FOX NEWS ALWAYS LIES
    WHEREVER BONNIE MAY BE.

    More Liberty said:
    You’ve been caught spreading lies and fear mongering. Why would anyone respect you? Good thing Thomas – J caught your lie last week.

    I’m afraid I have to give you a Thumb’s Down. I like to try to build esteem, but your Karma is really bad, Dude!

    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE OCEAN
    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE SEA
    FOX NEWS ALWAYS LIES
    WHEREVER BONNIE MAY BE.

  • Cecelia

    And you’re here calling everyone fat ass because you’re in between arias…

  • Iris

    No cece, Im in between Gaga concerts and happy enough I don’t feel the need to make fun of 90 year old ladys the way you do in your shitpile of misery

  • More Liberty

    The Real Royal King said:
    “I’m afraid I have to give you a Thumb’s Down. I like to try to build esteem, but your Karma is really bad, Dude!”

    I will stop pointing out the fact that you got caught in a lie, if you just admit, for all to read, that you lied. Below is the link:

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sen-lindsey-graham-is-thinking-about-changing-birthright-citizenship/

    King made the following claim:
    “What a piker! Man up! Your colleague, Jim Demented, wants to sterilize all the children of the world, red and yellow, black and brown. But not the White ones.”

    Typical race baiting and fear mongering from a partisan. However, it was a total lie. Senator Dement actually voted for s607, which was an amendment to HR 1105. The amendment would have restricted giving funds to the UN population control program if that program gave money to places that forced abortions and forced sterilization.

  • notsofast

    Hey libs, somone finally bought that broken down POS rag of yours “Newsweek.

    Guess how much he paid for it?

    $1.00– That’s right, $1.00- And that was 99 cents too much!

    LOL

    Stereo equipment billionaire Sidney Harman has purchased Newsweek from the Washington Post, according to reports.

    The New York Times reported Monday that Harman — who has been seen as the frontrunner for the magazine — had all but finalized a deal to acquire the newsweekly.

    AdAge’s Nat Ives reported shortly thereafter that it was a done deal:

    AdAge reports that Harman “reportedly bid $1 for the magazine but agreed to assume the magazine’s liabilities; those details could not be confirmed on Monday.”

  • Cecelia

    Humorless AND bad taste. That’s no way for you to go through life, Iris.

  • essequamvideri

    You have to really wonder at Tommy Boy’s mental status. Seriously, he’d have made a great Nazi. And I don’t say that lightly. In his twisted mind, Helen Thomas is a hero. So what that she said she wanted Jews to go “home” to Poland & Germany – HOME to the land of crematoriums, where the Jewish people were slaughtered – gassed, shot, tortured, bayoneted …

    “Given time and context, I hope that this symbol of Helen’s historic importance is given a place of honor on the wall of the Brady Briefing Room in which she worked for so many years.” Simply nauseating. A must-read on Thomas’ so-called “importance” – http://bigjournalism.com/mwalsh/2010/06/08/helen-thomas-celebrated-for-her-sex-not-for-her-accomplishments/.

    Tommy Boy is not the smart person he clearly thinks he is. An intelligent person uses logic & reason before speaking. For Tommy C, the narrative is most important – the end, which is a Leftist-controlled media/government, always justifies ANY MEANS. So he becomes an apologist for the New Black Panthers Party and its cracker-hating ideology, for Helen Thomas’ virulent anti-Semitism, for all things anti-Beck, and anti-Fox News.

    Imagine Helen had been a KKK sympathizer, and had said that African-Americans should “go home” – home to Africa. I hardly think Tommy Boy would kiss kiss Helen then.

  • Cecelia

    “Typical race baiting and fear mongering from a partisan.”

    I take exception to your term “partisan”, TRRK is not simply that. He’s a control-freak zealot.

  • Cecelia

    I think Thomas is anti-Israel. I’m not sure that she’s antisemitic.

  • Penguin60

    Iris said:
    You bunch of right wing hatemongering old farts, “which one is Helen, naa, naa, naa, naa” Like you old bald headed, beer gut, ugly, fat tubs of lard need to be talking about how anyone looks, you who sit there 24/7 spewing hate cause you have no life whatsoever and no one can stand to be around you old fart morons

    Talk about spewing hate, nice job! I guess they loosened the straight jacket for a little bit and see what happens?

  • Azarkhan

    “The picture . Which one is Helen ?”

    Who cares? I want to know who the hot chick is who is sitting in the front with the short skirt and her legs crossed. No wonder why Robert Gibbs sometimes fumbles his answers.

  • The Real Royal King

    More Liberty said:
    The Real Royal King said:“I’m afraid I have to give you a Thumb’s Down. I like to try to build esteem, but your Karma is really bad, Dude!” I will stop pointing out the fact that you got caught in a lie, if you just admit, for all to read, that you lied. Below is the link: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sen-lindsey-graham-is-thinking-about-changing-birthright-citizenship/ King made the following claim:“What a piker! Man up! Your colleague, Jim Demented, wants to sterilize all the children of the world, red and yellow, black and brown. But not the White ones.” Typical race baiting and fear mongering from a partisan. However, it was a total lie. Senator Dement actually voted for s607, which was an amendment to HR 1105. The amendment would have restricted giving funds to the UN population control program if that program gave money to places that forced abortions and forced sterilization.

    Fine, Andy Breitbart, Jr. Now link my response to your outageous misrepresentation. Then, we’ll talk. Otherwise, be gone, I say: Be Gone!

    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE OCEAN
    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE SEA
    FOX NEWS ALWAYS LIES
    WHEREVER BONNIE MAY BE.

  • notsofast

    Azarkhan said:
    Who cares? I want to know who the hot chick is who is sitting in the front with the short skirt and her legs crossed. No wonder why Robert Gibbs sometimes fumbles his answers.

    That’s Tommy boy in drag sans codpiece.

  • Iris

    cece/michelle if you think making fun of and being mean to a 90 year old woman is humor then you are more miserable than you know.

  • Cecelia

    HIS BONNIE LIES OVER THE OCEAN
    HIS BONNIE LIES OVER THE SEA
    HIS BONNIE LIES OVER A HATCHET
    TO BE RID OF HIS COMPANY

  • More Liberty

    The Real Royal King wrote:
    “Fine, Andy Breitbart, Jr. Now link my response to your outageous misrepresentation. Then, we’ll talk. Otherwise, be gone, I say: Be Gone!”

    Yeah…that’s what I thought. Keep trying to Divert, Distract and Distort the fact that you got caught in a lie. You had no excuse…..you just back tracked and made some lame excuse to that Libertarian guy. The fact is….he caught you and now it’s known that you are a liar.

  • Iris

    Same to you Peckquin, what are you doing, doubling over with laughter cause you right wing morons can beat up a 90 year old lady you must be real proud of yourself

  • notsofast

    Iris said:
    cece/michelle if you think making fun of and being mean to a 90 year old woman is humor then you are more miserable than you know.

    LOL- Virus, always the hypocrite. SP is a geezer -so is Romney, but a 90 year old bigot is a national treasure.

  • Cecelia

    Iris, if you think Lady Gaga makes music then you’re more obtuse than you know. (that’s redundant…)

  • The Real Royal King

    More Liberty said:
    The Real Royal King wrote:“Fine, Andy Breitbart, Jr. Now link my response to your outageous misrepresentation. Then, we’ll talk. Otherwise, be gone, I say: Be Gone!” Yeah…that’s what I thought. Keep trying to Divert, Distract and Distort the fact that you got caught in a lie. You had no excuse…..you just back tracked and made some lame excuse to that Libertarian guy. The fact is….he caught you and now it’s known that you are a liar.

    So, you are saying that there was no mention of Jonathan Swift? Is that what you would have us believe? At long last, you are denying such a notation?

    Speaks volumes.

    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE OCEAN
    MY BONNIE LIES OVER THE SEA
    FOX NEWS ALWAYS LIES
    WHEREVER BONNIE MAY BE.

  • Iris

    cece/michelle Do you think Gaga cares what you think, I hope you’re still alive when the young people of the world tkae over from you hateful geezers and you can see how much better the world will be.
    You have to admit Gaga outsmarted the geezer gov, jan brewer, HA, HA

  • Cecelia

    Iris, if anyone here thought for one minute that you represent the young people of the world, no one would wish to be alive. We’d all be jumping off buildings.

  • Iris

    cece/michelle, thats the beauty of nature the old die off so the young can make everything fresh and new and in the case of humans when you hateful old farts die off this world will be soooo much better but listen if you want to do the building thing be my guest

  • Penguin60

    Iris said:
    Same to you Peckquin, what are you doing, doubling over with laughter cause you right wing morons can beat up a 90 year old lady you must be real proud of yourself

    viris, come on you can’t be that thick, well maybe. The bust was on TC, not the anti-semite wicked witch. You just keep diggin’ that stupid ditch though……calling others old farts in defending the witch?
    I’d be happy to bust lady gackme though if that would make you feel better.

  • Cecelia

    Iris, your case, things would be about as fresh as used bubble gum and just about as smart.

  • Iris

    Come on you old fart morons, what happened are you feeling shamed, not so proud of yourselves, who would have ever thought younger people would have to try and teach the grey heads something about integrity , principles and respect for the elders, heres a clue leave the real old people alone you old right wing farts and if you don’t maybe it will come back to haunt you in the not so many years to come.

  • stoogedudes

    More Liberty said:
    That’s a pretty bold statement coming from a group of people that fantasied about murdering the former president by creating an actual movie. That’s just one example.

    Liberty–I’m going to assume you were talking about “Death of a President”. You should watch it. It’s doesn’t fantasize about Bush’s death at all. In fact, it shows how tragic his death would have been for this country. It shows anti-Bush protesters in a bad light.

    One could come out of watching that movie and think it’s a right-wing movie.

    Moral of the story: Don’t judge a movie by its cover.

  • Iris

    cece/michelle, you’re not foolin anybody

  • Azarkhan

    “I hope you’re still alive when the young people of the world tkae over from you hateful geezers” Iris

    We’ll be alive, and they will be older. So what is your point exactly? BTW, below are some old geezers you can hate. I know I do.

    66 — Chris Dodd (D)
    68 — Joe Biden (D)
    69 — Max Baucus (D)
    70– Barbara Boxer (D)
    70 — Barney Frank (D)
    70 — Nancy Pelosi (D)
    71 — Harry Reid (D)
    71 — Harry Waxman (D)
    72 — David Obey (D)
    72 — Maxine Waters (D)
    76 — Carl Levin (D)
    80 — Charlie Rangel (D)

  • Cecelia

    “heres a clue leave the real old people alone you old right wing farts and if you don’t maybe it will come back to haunt you in the not so many years to come.”

    Here’s a clue to you. You won’t be thirteen forever. You’re going to grow “old”. Old enough to vote and get behind the wheel of a car. THAT is what haunts us….

  • Iris

    But you hateful right wing geezers won’t be in charge ass hat, BTW its Right Wing old fart hatemongers

  • Iris

    cece/michelle, what should haunt you is that the young people you hate so much will be the ones taking care of you while you’re sittin in your wheelchair droolin

  • notsofast

    stoogedudes said:
    Liberty–I’m going to assume you were talking about “Death of a President”. You should watch it. It’s doesn’t fantasize about Bush’s death at all. In fact, it shows how tragic his death would have been for this country. It shows anti-Bush protesters in a bad light.

    One could come out of watching that movie and think it’s a right-wing movie.

    Moral of the story: Don’t judge a movie by its cover.

    I don’t think so.

    “Hillary Clinton, then junior United States Senator from New York, told The Journal News of Rockland, Westchester, and Putnam counties at the annual New Castle Community Day in Chappaqua that, “I think it’s despicable. I think it’s absolutely outrageous. That anyone would even attempt to profit on such a horrible scenario makes me sick.”

  • Azarkhan

    ” the young people you hate so much will be the ones taking care of you while you’re sittin in your wheelchair droolin” Iris

    And given your evident lack of education, you’ll be the one catching that drool.

  • Cecelia

    You’ll still be dumbing down the world, Iris.

  • Iris

    Time will tell asshat only time will tell and yours is a lot shorter than mine , good luck with who ever has to take care of your hateful ass

  • stoogedudes

    notsofast said:
    I don’t think so. “Hillary Clinton, then junior United States Senator from New York, told The Journal News of Rockland, Westchester, and Putnam counties at the annual New Castle Community Day in Chappaqua that, “I think it’s despicable. I think it’s absolutely outrageous. That anyone would even attempt to profit on such a horrible scenario makes me sick.”

    Umm, sounds like she was judging the movie by its cover. She clearly hasn’t seen it. I have. I doesn’t fantasize about his death. I went in watching it thinking it would be horrible but someone told me to keep an open mind and watch it, and they were right. Seriously, watch it.

  • Iris

    Whats the matter cece/michelle can’t handle the thought of those young people you hate taking care of you while you’re helpkess in a wheelchair.

  • Cecelia

    Spoken to the taxpayers who are no doubt taking care of her silly ass.

  • mproust

    Tommy Christopher’s anti-Semitism continues to amaze me. First he was silent when Keith Olbermann called Dan Abrams father (Floyd) a Quisling, and now he’s actually drooling over Helen Thomas.

  • Cecelia

    I never said I hated kids. I just think that you’re a dope.

  • notsofast

    stoogedudes said:
    Umm, sounds like she was judging the movie by its cover

    Like Pelosi judged the HCR bill?

    “We have to pass it so we can see what’s in it.”

    Like that?

  • Iris

    cece/michelle, your mask is slipping, do you really think you are foolin anybody? just because you’re using another name doesn’t mean you are no longer sitting at the computer every waking hour and have no life. It is sad, but you the only one that can change it, truly, truly sad

  • http://apostrophejones.com Apostrophe jones

    Alan Grayson / Iris 2012

  • Puter Boi

    TC?
    Now I know where you picked up the slouching.
    Come to think of it….there is more than a passing resemblance. Might be the hair….

  • Iris

    Asshat Jones the big “brave” man that beats up 90 year old women you cowardly old fart,… IF ONLY!

  • http://apostrophejones.com Apostrophe jones

    The lovely and ever charming Iris . The birds in the trees sing of the sweetness of fair Iris .

  • Azarkhan

    “doesn’t mean you are no longer sitting at the computer every waking hour and have no life” Iris

    Uhhhm…pot calling the kettle black?

  • http://apostrophejones.com Apostrophe jones

    When the bad folks all get together at night , they all call Big Iris boss . ….. …… Just curious , Big Iris . When you are sitting on the bench at the bus stop , is there room for anyone else to sit down ? When you are shopping in a grocery store aisle and other shoppers see you , are they forced to go down another aisle ? When you are lying on the beach , do the other swimmers try to push back into the water ?

  • stoogedudes

    notsofast said:
    Like Pelosi judged the HCR bill? “We have to pass it so we can see what’s in it.” Like that?

    Yes, watching a movie is exactly like passing landmark legislation.

    Why, when I walked out of “Inception”, I felt like I had repealed Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell!

  • lanquihue

    Helen Thomas is a known racist. That many on the left feel perfectly comfortable cozying up to her speaks volumes.

  • MichelleF

    Iris the Viris, you are flat out looney tunes!! You talk to me when I’m not even around.

    Cecilia, sorry you got caught up in Iris’ obsession with me. She used to be just annoying, but lately, she’s been trying to compete for the title of most annoying liberal poster, and those are some mighty big shoes to fill. Unfortunately, she doesn’t make a bit of sense. Like a little child, we just pat her on the head and pretend we care about what she’s spewing.

  • Iris

    lanquihue is a known aryan nation white supremist, that he cozies up to anti American groups and militias speaks volumes

  • Tommy Christopher

    mproust said:
    Tommy Christopher’s anti-Semitism continues to amaze me. First he was silent when Keith Olbermann called Dan Abrams father (Floyd) a Quisling, and now he’s actually drooling over Helen Thomas.

    Wow, that’s fucked up. Helen is not an anti-Semite, and neither am I. You’re allowed to have a political opinion about Israel without being labeled as such, at least by reasonable people.

    Maybe you should try reading the site you’re actually on before you make such a huge factual mistake. To my knowledge, I’m the ONLY on who called Olbermann out for that.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/is-keith-olbermann-losing-it/

  • lanquihue

    You don’t have the tinyest little clue, Iris, you don’t even know what a fool you are.

  • Grammie

    I personally think that “Iris” is someone from the Right’s idea of a demented Lib.

    Absolutely no one can be be as ignorant, stupid, illogical, vicious and vile as Iris comes across. I say this with full knowledge that there are the real john ts roaming the world.

  • Iris

    Lanquihue you are known to associate with white supremist anti American hate groups and militias you Tim McVeigh wanna be are the fool.

  • MichelleF

    Grammie, you may be onto something. Perhaps Iris the Viris is the new Karl.

  • Iris

    Gram, yeah and all your Right Wing Old hatemonger friends are just as sweet as apple pie right? Yeah right you old moron

  • Iris

    michelle what happened to cece, HA, HA

  • Tommy Christopher

    essequamvideri said:
    You have to really wonder at Tommy Boy’s mental status. Seriously, he’d have made a great Nazi. And I don’t say that lightly. .

    Actually, you DO say it lightly, since you’ve obviously never read a syllable of what I’ve written and said about Helen. The offense that people have taken to her comments is legitimate, but she is not an anti-Semite. The fact that you throw that accusation around so lightly bespeaks a trivial and exploitative attitude toward an unthinkable human tragedy.

  • Iris

    michelle your little charade isn’t fooling anyone , you are here all your waking hours posting every two minutes, no one can miss that
    MichelleF’s life =EPICFAIL HA, HA

  • FredCPA

    Iris, It may sound corny to some, but you are never very far a way from my thoughts. however, i resent the bald part. THATS offensive. the rest, you got about right. are you happy now? maybe you wont need the medication next time the nurse comes round.

  • Bootleghaircut

    Damn I LOVE this SITE!

  • Grammie

    Tommy Christopher said:
    Wow, that’s fucked up.

    You use such language in your status at Mediaite.

    Isn’t that speshul!

  • Bootleghaircut

    “Grammie says:
    August 2, 2010 at 6:02 pm Grammie(Quote)
    0 1
    Tommy Christopher said:
    Wow, that’s fucked up.

    You use such language in your status at Mediaite.

    Isn’t that speshul!”

    uh oh! are we about to get a dose of that good old fashioned conservative outrage?

    Sit and spin lady.

  • FredCPA

    “Helen is not an anti-Semite, and neither am I. You’re allowed to have a political opinion about Israel without being labeled as such, at least by reasonable people.” thats funny, ya cant disagree with the current administration and have differing political opinions without being called racist. weird huh?

  • MichelleF

    Iris says:
    August 2, 2010 at 5:58 pm Iris(Quote)
    1 0
    michelle your little charade isn’t fooling anyone , you are here all your waking hours posting every two minutes, no one can miss that
    MichelleF’s life =EPICFAIL HA, HA

    Funny Iris the Viris, since that was my first post in 36 hours. Just because you are talking to me (which by reading your insane rantings, you are) doesn’t mean I’m here. You have seriously gone off the deep end and should seek help!

  • Iris

    freddiec, bald is much ,much better than hateful and cowardly, most old bald men wouldn’t even consider making fun of a 90 year old woman but these right wing old farts need to see that their appearance is no freakin prize.

  • Iris

    michelle like i said you’re not fooling anybody by posting under another name, in fact trying to deny it really makes you look downright stupid, look if you don’t want a life thats up to you just sayin’ it seems pretty sad to me

  • MichelleF

    So Iris, you are now so obsessed with me that you have fantasized that I have become an entirely seperate person? Wow, I think you’d better hit Ted up for some of his anti-psychotics. I’m seriously concerned for those around you. When you end up on a Post Office wall, none of us will be surprised.

  • mrdarklight

    Iris said:
    You bunch of right wing hatemongering old farts, “which one is Helen, naa, naa, naa, naa” Like you old bald headed, beer gut, ugly, fat tubs of lard need to be talking about how anyone looks, you who sit there 24/7 spewing hate cause you have no life whatsoever and no one can stand to be around you old fart morons

    Not surprisingly, the most hateful post so far is from a liberal accusing the right of being hateful.

  • Iris

    michelle, if you want to pretend you enjoy not having a life , thats fine with me, though if you think about it sitting in that hate all day and all night long could be what makes you so miserable

  • Iris

    yeah mr dark, how mean of me to point out how cowardly and hypocritical it is for these right wing geezers to make fun of a 90 year old womans appearance,

  • mrdarklight

    Iris said:
    yeah mr dark, how mean of me to point out how cowardly and hypocritical it is for these right wing geezers to make fun of a 90 year old womans appearance,

    It is hypocritical. But I’m not going to argue with you about it because you’re clearly so full of hate that you cannot even see the blatant hypocrisy.

  • MichelleF

    Oh delusional Iris, you are projecting again. I’m not miserable, but judging from your posts, you, my dear, are. Seriously, go back and read your posts. You should be extremely embarrassed, but I’m not sure you’re bright enough to see it. You do realize that you have gone SO far over the edge that not even Royal Race-Baiter will defend you anymore. Now THAT’S bad!

  • Iris

    michelle you don’t have to get so worked up , jeeze, if you don’t want a life fine, stay here 24 hours a day and sit in a shitpile of hate all your life.

  • Iris

    mr dark, how manly of you to recognize the hypocrisy, if you want to just stand by and watch a 90 year iold lady get beat up thats up to you

  • FredCPA

    “Not surprisingly, the most hateful post so far is from a liberal accusing the right of being hateful.” its called projection man. they are masters of it. listen to any floor rant (like weiners for example) or any diatribe on a sunday show. they are talking about themselves. everytime. projection. classic. and really really weird sometimes how they do it.

  • Bragar

    You’ve got to be kidding me… Someone actually cares where these media idiots sit in a room to worship yet another idiot?? Gibbs has the intelligence of a bag of socks. I guess Fox would be best up front. The national media is nothing more than a bunch of drooling transcriptionists. Whatever the idiot in chief bellows, they transcribe then spread like manure. Go Fox! Ask the hard questions! Hell, ask any question!

  • Iris

    freddiec, you can also call standing by and watching a mob beat up a 90 year old lady quite cowardly , but standing up to it is weird man really weird.

  • notsofast

    stoogedudes said:
    Yes, watching a movie is exactly like passing landmark legislation.

    Landmark? It’s a disaster! More want to rescind it than want it.

    You are a laughomatic!

  • notsofast

    Tommy Christopher said:
    The offense that people have taken to her comments is legitimate, but she is not an anti-Semite.

    TC, your calling people racists and your calling Helen not anti-Semitic makes neither such.

  • Tommy Christopher

    FredCPA said:
    “Helen is not an anti-Semite, and neither am I. You’re allowed to have a political opinion about Israel without being labeled as such, at least by reasonable people.” thats funny, ya cant disagree with the current administration and have differing political opinions without being called racist. weird huh?

    This is the stupidest straw man since the Tea Party Production of The Wiz. Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.

  • Tommy Christopher

    notsofast said:
    TC, your calling people racists and your calling Helen not anti-Semitic makes neither such.

    Who did I call a racist that didn’t deserve it? Hell, who did I even call a racist?

  • Iris

    Tommy , idon’t think those hateful cowards are coming back here but thanks for calling them on their nonsense

  • lanquihue

    Tommy Christopher said:
    Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.

    The left infers racism all the time of the tea party people, and with zero examples, why? Do you suppose if the the same mix of races and ages were to hold large rallies supporting the president, they’d be labeled as racist? Do you think if the president were not half black, the same crowd would be labeled as racist? “Racism” has become an all too convenient excuse by the left to end debates they cannot win.

  • Iris

    And this from the white supremist aryan nation thug who hates everything thats not white, really lanqui

  • essequamvideri

    In response to my remark about how Tommy could easily be a Nazi, he says:

    “Actually, you DO say it lightly, since you’ve obviously never read a syllable of what I’ve written and said about Helen. The offense that people have taken to her comments is legitimate, but she is not an anti-Semite. The fact that you throw that accusation around so lightly bespeaks a trivial and exploitative attitude toward an unthinkable human tragedy.”

    Wrong, Tommy. I read the article completely before responding – and btw I have listened to all of the interview you did of the racist Shabazz, and read the article. Megyn Kelly did a real interview – you simply gave Shabazz a fawning, slobbering sycophantic oh-please-I’m-not-a-racist imitation of an interview, which was simply an opportunity for a wider audience for Shabazz. BTW, did you read the Big Journalism article I referenced – of course not. Thomas was never known for her well-written, well-researched columns – she was known for her hatred of Republicans, her sympathy for Islamic terrorists, and her controversial comments, designed to get attention.

    Very clever of you, Tommy. I should have said “anti-Jew” – because of course Helen could be considered Semitic – she is of Lebanese ancestry.

    I see you have no answer to my most important point – if Helen had had white supremacist leanings, and said of African-Americans – “go home to Africa” – you’d never defend her – never in a million years. Why? Because you care about “people of color’? No – just people of the Leftist/Democrat/liberal/progressive persuasion.

    What Helen Thomas said on May 27 was not an anomaly – it was an expression of her widely-known views, which had been evident for some time. Only the liberal, Jew-hating, Hamas-sympathizing media gave her a pass.

    Good riddance to her – I don’t care if she’d been 25 or 50 or 95 – age is irrelevant.

  • Iris

    so esse that makes tc a nazi …how? Can’t you answer the question?

  • Azarkhan

    “Tommy could easily be a Nazi”

    Hardly. He’s on the left of the dial. Anyway, turn your speakers up to 11 and listen to:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t40INnb6DnY&feature=related

  • Patrick Henry

    Iris said:
    Iris says:
    August 2, 2010 at 3:04 pm Iris(Quote)
    Thumb up 8 Thumb down 66

    That is hilarious! I don’t think I have ever seen a wider margin between thumbs up and thumbs down. You go, Iris!

  • essequamvideri

    Why, Iris? Because he so easily sympathizes with people who have a virulent hatred for others based on race/ethnicity/culture; i.e. Malik Shabazz & Helen Thomas. Left/Right – no matter.

    Tommy said (in response to another comment):

    “This is the stupidest straw man since the Tea Party Production of The Wiz.”

    Wow! Sounds quite entertaining.

    Here’s a video of some demonstrations on that day of infamy – March 20, 2010 – that Tommy should watch, in its entirety – but he won’t watch – because it might just confuse him.

    http://www.breitbart.tv/media-ignored-violent-anti-war-protest-on-same-day-they-had-frenzy-over-tea-party-protest/

    :

  • Iris

    Patty H yeah real men like you are more concerned with a thumbs up or down when hatemongers are beating are beating up old 90 year old women

  • Iris

    esse ,still can’t answer the question huh?

  • Patrick Henry

    Iris, I’m sorry you got beat up.

  • Iris

    like i said real men like you Patty think attacking a 90 year old woman is funny , how about next time you need a laugh you could hire somebody to demean your mother , as manly as you are you’d get a real kick out of that i bet

  • Patrick Henry

    Iris, my dear mother has passed on, but if she were alive she would be sorry you were beaten up as well.

  • Iris

    And i bet you found her suffering hilarious cause you’re just that manly

  • Iris

    no comment pattyy or did you go out to cut off somebodys legs so you could feel taller , seems you think thats what manly men do.

  • Patrick Henry

    Yes, Iris, I did go out and I do feel taller.

  • http://apostrophejones.com Apostrophe jones

    Big Iris , there’s a meet-up at the Crip hangout at 10:00 p.m. , Be there .

  • FearMonger

    Tommy Christopher said:
    This is the stupidest straw man since the Tea Party Production of The Wiz. Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.

    Good grief dude…. you really are quite the ‘journalist’.

    One word. GAROFALO.

  • Iris

    Mazel Tov patty now you have something to remember the day the bus comes for you

  • Constantly

    iris how did you get your pimp to let you off for the day?

  • BatBoy

    Tommy Christopher said:
    Who did I call a racist that didn’t deserve it? Hell, who did I even call a racist?

    Tommy I’ll answer that….

    How about not calling anyone a racist…it is simply used as a conversation stopper and has been used that way for years.

    If you remove the “…ist” and the “…ism” ending words from your vocabulary, you may start to get some credibility.
    This very article that you wrote say’s that you endorse such statements.

    Calling anyone a “Racist” and then endorsing Helen Thomas shows you lack the ability to make good judgments.

    How about this Tommy, take some time off, get out of Washington or New York or where ever you live. Get in a car and drive out to fly-over country. Stay with us two or three months…learn that the rest of the country used to get along fine…and see how writes like you fan the flames of “Racism” by your writings and the company you keep!

    “You people” try your very best to divide America…I will tell you…you will not win…we will not let you. It was through had work, sweat, love for our country that built it to the very best nation in the world. We will not let you tear it down.

    Remember….there is going to be a buyout of MSNBC…there are going to be layoff’s…it is going to “trickle down” to people like you….then what are you going to do?????

  • Robert Says

    First of all I am not Jewish nor am I Arabic (or a muslim). I am a free thinker. I look at all the facts available then I voice an opinion.

    Roseanne, one of the most talented and most successful sitcom actresses of all time is Jewish.
    Roseanne stated that Israel is a “Jewish-Nazi-State”.
    Roseanne did not allow her heritage to shape her opinion. I respect her for that.
    Can anyone not see why Joe Leiberman, a Jewish U.S. Senator was traveling the globe with his candidate of choice, John McCain ? Joe Leiberman, a democrat! Think now! Who would most likely kill more Arabs? Barrack Obama or John “bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran” McCain? See how your heritage CAN unfortunately affect your choices in life?

    Air Fleischer, shortly after the Helen Thomas “anti-Isreal” comments aired, was on TV condemning Ms. Thomas. I though to myself as I watched former Pres. George W. Bush’s press secretary speaking………”is he possibly Jewish?”.
    Bingo! Before he finished his scolding of Helen Thomas…..he did announce that he was in fact “Jewish”.

    Need I say more? If you are Jewish “ya” gotta condemn Ms. Thomas!
    Can we come out of the schoolyard and be free-thinking adults?

    P.S. I see the religious symbol, the Star of David on most Israeli government vehicles; yet Israel sells arms to Turkey. An arms merchant is waving “religious” symbols around? Hmmm.

  • More Liberty

    Tommy Christopher said:
    This is the stupidest straw man since the Tea Party Production of The Wiz. Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.

    If I provide a link where a certain person claims that the whole Tea Party movement, and their ideology is racist will you reply and admit that you were wrong, and will you apologize?

  • Tommy Christopher

    More Liberty said:
    If I provide a link where a certain person claims that the whole Tea Party movement, and their ideology is racist will you reply and admit that you were wrong, and will you apologize?

    No, but that would be the beginning of an actual discussion.

  • Tommy Christopher

    BatBoy said:
    Tommy I’ll answer that….

    How about not calling anyone a racist…it is simply used as a conversation stopper and has been used that way for years.

    Huh? We shouldn’t call anyone a racist? Are you kidding me? This is the problem, this sick denial that racism exists.

    I asked you for one example where I called someone a racist who didn’t deserve it. Honestly, I can’t even think of a time when I called someone a racist, period, in print. But failing to call out racism is exactly how it takes root once more.

  • Tommy Christopher

    essequamvideri said:
    In response to my remark about how Tommy could easily be a Nazi, he says:

    “Actually, you DO say it lightly, since you’ve obviously never read a syllable of what I’ve written and said about Helen. The offense that people have taken to her comments is legitimate, but she is not an anti-Semite. The fact that you throw that accusation around so lightly bespeaks a trivial and exploitative attitude toward an unthinkable human tragedy.”

    Wrong, Tommy. I read the article completely before responding – and btw I have listened to all of the interview you did of the racist Shabazz, and read the article. Megyn Kelly did a real interview – you simply gave Shabazz a fawning, slobbering sycophantic oh-please-I’m-not-a-racist imitation of an interview, which was simply an opportunity for a wider audience for Shabazz. BTW, did you read the Big Journalism article I referenced – of course not. Thomas was never known for her well-written, well-researched columns – she was known for her hatred of Republicans, her sympathy for Islamic terrorists, and her controversial comments, designed to get attention.

    Very clever of you, Tommy. I should have said “anti-Jew” – because of course Helen could be considered Semitic – she is of Lebanese ancestry.

    I see you have no answer to my most important point – if Helen had had white supremacist leanings, and said of African-Americans – “go home to Africa” – you’d never defend her – never in a million years. Why? Because you care about “people of color’? No – just people of the Leftist/Democrat/liberal/progressive persuasion.

    What Helen Thomas said on May 27 was not an anomaly – it was an expression of her widely-known views, which had been evident for some time. Only the liberal, Jew-hating, Hamas-sympathizing media gave her a pass.

    Good riddance to her – I don’t care if she’d been 25 or 50 or 95 – age is irrelevant.

    Well, the most important point you made was calling me a Nazi, a sick trivialization of the suffering of millions. You still have no idea what I’ve written or said about Helen, and a very simplistic view of my Shabazz interview. Let me make it simple for you, then. Provide a quote, with a link, that shows “sympathy” for Shabazz and the NBPP.or shows me agreeing with Helen’s controversial comments.

    Megyn Kelly’s interview was a prosecution, mine was an attempt to get at the truth. Hers was great TV, it showcased her talents well, but she didn’t draw anything new out of him.

    You are angry because I didn’t sit there and yell at him, but that’s not how you get an interview subject to be honest. If he had become belligerent when I asked him tough questions, like Andrew Breitbart did, then I might have had cause to be more aggressive, but he didn’t.

  • More Liberty

    @ Tommy Christopher

    Tommy Wrote: “This is the stupidest straw man since the Tea Party Production of The Wiz. Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.”

    Well…here is “one example” via Ms. Garafalo.

    JANEANE GAROFALO: “Thank you. You know, there’s nothing more interesting than seeing a bunch of racists become confused and angry at a speech they’re not quite certain what he’s saying. It sounds right and then it doesn’t make sense. Which, let’s be very honest about what this is about. It’s not about bashing Democrats, it’s not about taxes, they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about, they don’t know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. That is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks. And there is no way around that.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAHMDpk7Ik

    Here is your one example.

  • lanquihue

    More Liberty said:
    Here is your one example.

    The left will tell you, hey, who is she? She’s just a comedian and not to be take seriously.

    However, the leftist media is more than willing to put her mug in front of a camera to say the things that they don’t have the “cajones” to say. And if I do hear that excuse, which I’m supposing I will, (or dead silence, more likely) can I safely assume that I’ll never see another Jon Stewart piece here?

  • FearMonger

    Tommy Christopher said:
    No, but that would be the beginning of an actual discussion.

    Please scroll up to my post from August 2nd (second) at 9:53 PM …..12 hours ago…. where I quoted and answered your ridiculous challenge.

    ‘discussion’ indeed.

  • More Liberty

    I’m waiting for the discussion Mr. Christopher.

  • FearMonger

    lanquihue said:
    The left will tell you, hey, who is she? She’s just a comedian and not to be take seriously. However, the leftist media is more than willing to put her mug in front of a camera to say the things that they don’t have the “cajones” to say. And if I do hear that excuse, which I’m supposing I will, (or dead silence, more likely) can I safely assume that I’ll never see another Jon Stewart piece here?

    Doesn’t matter in this case…TC didn’t qualify his challenge. He simply scolded ‘the stupidest straw man’ and closely followed by ‘Give me just one example’ blah blah blah

    then crickets….

  • BatBoy

    Tommy Christopher said:
    Honestly, I can’t even think of a time when I called someone a racist, period, in print. But failing to call out racism is exactly how it takes root once more.

    Tommy Christopher said:
    Well, the most important point you made was calling me a Nazi, a sick trivialization of the suffering of millions. You still have no idea what I’ve written or said about Helen, and a very simplistic view of my Shabazz interview. Let me make it simple for you, then. Provide a quote, with a link, that shows “sympathy” for Shabazz and the NBPP.or shows me agreeing with Helen’s controversial comments. Megyn Kelly’s interview was a prosecution, mine was an attempt to get at the truth. Hers was great TV, it showcased her talents well, but she didn’t draw anything new out of him. You are angry because I didn’t sit there and yell at him, but that’s not how you get an interview subject to be honest. If he had become belligerent when I asked him tough questions, like Andrew Breitbart did, then I might have had cause to be more aggressive, but he didn’t.

    Tommy, one only has to read this article tells us how Helen Thomas is not far from your thoughts… I can see why you are labeled a Nazi…at least a Nazi sympathizer.

    As far as you calling anyone a racist….the left, which you are a part of, have called so many people racist who are not, that it means NOTHING any more. Did your mother not teach you about the little boy who cried wolf. Evidently not!

    My Friend, YOU have branded YOURSELF with this article. Worshiping the Jew hating Helen Thomas who wants to send “them all” back home where they came from will stick with you for a life time!!!

  • More Liberty

    It’s funny how this post is now at the very bottom of Mediaite’s website – very interesting.

  • Tommy Christopher

    I agree that Garofalo’s rant was ridiculous, overreaching, and lazy, and said so at the time:

    http://dailydose.us/2009/04/17/todays-quickies-andjaneane/

    But it was not predicated simply on the fact that people disagree with Obama.

  • Tommy Christopher

    BatBoy said:

    As far as you calling anyone a racist….the left, which you are a part of, have called so many people racist who are not, that it means NOTHING any more. Did your mother not teach you about the little boy who cried wolf. Evidently not!

    So, you got nothing. Thanks for playing.

  • More Liberty

    Tommy Christopher said:
    I agree that Garofalo’s rant was ridiculous, overreaching, and lazy, and said so at the time:

    http://dailydose.us/2009/04/17/todays-quickies-andjaneane/

    But it was not predicated simply on the fact that people disagree with Obama.

    Garafalo said:
    “Which, let’s be very honest about what this is about. It’s not about bashing Democrats, it’s not about taxes, they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about, they don’t know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up.”

    I respectfully disagree. She specifically states that it’s not about taxes, of which they obviously disagree with Obama on. It was about the fact that, according to her, President Obama is black so that is the only reason they don’t like him. You can at least admit that Mr. Christopher.

  • BatBoy

    Tommy Christopher said:
    So, you got nothing. Thanks for playing.

    Tommy… you are what you are … your words will not be able to change it!

  • FearMonger

    Tommy Christopher said:
    I agree that Garofalo’s rant was ridiculous, overreaching, and lazy, and said so at the time: http://dailydose.us/2009/04/17/todays-quickies-andjaneane/ But it was not predicated simply on the fact that people disagree with Obama.

    Dude. You just lost every bit of credibility I had given you. Typical BS. You issued the challenge… now you want to move the goal post.

    btw…. your revisionist BS still doesn’t pass the smell test…

    “Which, let’s be very honest about what this is about. It’s not about bashing Democrats, it’s not about taxes, they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about, they don’t know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. ”

    You really gonna stand by that shit TC? Let’s be perfectly clear… since it’s right here in the thread but you apparently have a hard time with comprehension….

    FredCPA said:
    “Helen is not an anti-Semite, and neither am I. You’re allowed to have a political opinion about Israel without being labeled as such, at least by reasonable people.” thats funny, ya cant disagree with the current administration and have differing political opinions without being called racist. weird huh?
    _________

    Tommy Christopher said:
    This is the stupidest straw man since the Tea Party Production of The Wiz. Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.
    __________

    FearMonger said:
    Good grief dude…. you really are quite the ‘journalist’.

    One word. GAROFALO.
    ___________

    More Liberty said:
    Well…here is “one example” via Ms. Garafalo.

    JANEANE GAROFALO: “Thank you. You know, there’s nothing more interesting than seeing a bunch of racists become confused and angry at a speech they’re not quite certain what he’s saying. It sounds right and then it doesn’t make sense. Which, let’s be very honest about what this is about. It’s not about bashing Democrats, it’s not about taxes, they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about, they don’t know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. That is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks. And there is no way around that.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAHMDpk7Ik

    Here is your one example.
    ____________

    Tommy Christopher said:
    I agree that Garofalo’s rant was ridiculous, overreaching, and lazy, and said so at the time:

    http://dailydose.us/2009/04/17/todays-quickies-andjaneane/

    But it was not predicated simply on the fact that people disagree with Obama.
    ___________

    WOW. I must say I am truly disappointed. You accuse someone of making a ‘straw man’ argument…. the ‘STUPIDEST STRAW MAN’ argument ot be exact.. You issue the challenge “Give me just one example”….which I promptly did. And then 13 hours later this is the best you can do?

    but but but…”But it was not predicated simply on the fact that people disagree with Obama.”

    Do you know the meaning of ‘humility’ and ‘honesty’? Why can’t you just say “I was wrong. I apologize for making such an ill-conceived assertion”.

    Or how about “OOPS, My bad!”

    Good grief this was a pathetic display. It just goes to show, once again, that even when confronted with absolute proof and undiputed facts, some always refuse to see the truth. You can lead a horse to water…

    But what’s actually worse is the revisioist bullshit that is really getting old and tired. Grow up Tommy. Be a man.

  • FearMonger

    Tommy Christopher said:
    Huh? We shouldn’t call anyone a racist? Are you kidding me? This is the problem, this sick denial that racism exists. I asked you for one example where I called someone a racist who didn’t deserve it. Honestly, I can’t even think of a time when I called someone a racist, period, in print. But failing to call out racism is exactly how it takes root once more.

    I agree that failing to call out racism is exactly how it takes root once more…

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2010/07/26/new-black-panther-party-leader-video-we-will-see-caskets-and-funerals-c

  • More Liberty

    I’m going to have to agree with FearMonger here. Mr. Christopher has moved the goal posts. I provided text, and a link showing a leftie personality, Ms. Garafalo, stating that it’s not about taxes or the Democrats, that it is about President Obama being black. He wanted one example, and I showed him.

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  • FearMonger

    More Liberty said:
    I’m going to have to agree with FearMonger here. Mr. Christopher has moved the goal posts. I provided text, and a link showing a leftie personality, Ms. Garafalo, stating that it’s not about taxes or the Democrats, that it is about President Obama being black. He wanted one example, and I showed him.

    Me personally, I would think that Mr. Christopher got the point form my post last night that said

    ‘One word. GAROFALO’. Maybe that’s just me.

    Anyway, thanks for the text and the link ML and for bumping up the ‘discussion’ this AM. The sound of the crickets was deafening.

  • More Liberty

    FearMonger said:
    Me personally, I would think that Mr. Christopher got the point form my post last night that said

    ‘One word. GAROFALO’. Maybe that’s just me.

    Anyway, thanks for the text and the link ML and for bumping up the ‘discussion’ this AM. The sound of the crickets was deafening.

    I know man. I went back and saw that you scooped the “one example” before me. Mr. Christopher makes some good points from time to time, I admit that. However, we need to be able to admit when we are wrong. And it appears, from the evidence provided, that Mr. Christopher was wrong on this particular issue.

    I do agree with his statement about racism. There is still racism in this world and it comes from many sources. But what I will say is that when groups claim racism at every turn, thus diminishing the effect of the accusation, it hurts those that are really victims of racism and prejudice.

  • FearMonger

    Tommy Christopher said:
    I agree that Garofalo’s rant was ridiculous, overreaching, and lazy, and said so at the time: http://dailydose.us/2009/04/17/todays-quickies-andjaneane/ But it was not predicated simply on the fact that people disagree with Obama.

    Oh….now I think I get it. It was ALSO ‘predicated’ on the ‘fact’ that the Tea Party = rednecks = ‘confused and angry” / stoopid = ‘don’t know their history at all’ = just use the facade of concern over the issues to justify their hatred of a black man.

    Right Tommy. I got it now. You said

    “But it was not predicated SIMPLY on the fact that people disagree with Obama.”

    In post BJ Clinton America, you gotta watch out for words like ‘SIMPLY’. You also gotta make sure you know what the definition of the word ‘disagree’ is…. and ‘fact’…. and ‘predicated’…. and ‘but’…..

    But Tommy, what it WAS ‘predicated SIMPLY on’ was that the Tea Party is “nothing but is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks. And there is no way around that.”

    So… even knowing that you were using the word “SIMPLY” as a qualifier… your assertion is still wrong.

    But it was a nice try. Gotta watch you ‘journalists’ carefully….semantics semantics.

    You are a credit to your profession…. and oh so typical.

    Maybe next time you go so far as to refer to ‘the stupidest straw man’, and issue a challenge like “Give me just one example”, you should go out of your way to make it abundantly clear what kind of smack-down you wil accept…instead of trying to muck up the criteria as you go along.

    It’s really unattractive. especially when you could have dismissed the whole thing by saying “DAMN…I FORGOT ABOUT THAT STUPID BITCH. MY BAD!”

  • FearMonger

    More Liberty said:
    I know man. I went back and saw that you scooped the “one example” before me. Mr. Christopher makes some good points from time to time, I admit that. However, we need to be able to admit when we are wrong. And it appears, from the evidence provided, that Mr. Christopher was wrong on this particular issue. I do agree with his statement about racism. There is still racism in this world and it comes from many sources. But what I will say is that when groups claim racism at every turn, thus diminishing the effect of the accusation, it hurts those that are really victims of racism and prejudice.

    nicely written ML. I agree completely.

  • Some_Dude

    I once dreamt of the folklore character Baba Yaga. The flesh eating witch that travels within a hut mounted on giant chicken legs. That image frightens me, and reminds me of my nocturnal horror.

  • FearMonger

    FearMonger said:
    Maybe next time you go so far as to refer to ‘the stupidest straw man’, and issue a challenge like “Give me just one example”, you should go out of your way to make it abundantly clear what kind of smack-down you wil accept…instead of trying to muck up the criteria as you go along. It’s really unattractive. especially when you could have dismissed the whole thing by saying “DAMN…I FORGOT ABOUT THAT STUPID BITCH. MY BAD!”

    That last part should have read “DAMN…I (SIMPLY) FORGOT ABOUT THAT STUPID BITCH. MY BAD!”

    You see, TC, how easy that could have been?

  • FredCPA

    “This is the stupidest straw man since the Tea Party Production of The Wiz. Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.” dude, you know you dont believe that. i dont believe it. noone beleives that becasue it is false, and strategy of democrats. go ask them. you KNOW the truth. for your own sake, your kharma, please stop lieing. its on you man. i have faith in you. you know what i am talking about. when you try to defend the indefensible, its good to just stop. its your call now. you can do this. just. tell. the. truth. peace bro.

  • More Liberty

    I suspect that Mr. Christopher is too busy to acknowledge this post anymore.

  • Some_Dude

    A staple of Mediaite comments: there are bound to be people arguing like little girls.

  • FearMonger

    Some_Dude said:
    A staple of Mediaite comments: there are bound to be people arguing like little girls.

    There are bound to be people who refuse to remove the blinders.

  • FearMonger

    I’m a racist for disagreeing with Obama?

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=142545

  • FearMonger

    Actress Angie Harmon has had it up to here with Hollywood hypocrites who call her a racist just because she disagrees with Barack Obama.

    “Here’s my problem with this,” Harmon said. “I’m just going to come out and say it. If I have anything to say against Obama, it’s not because I’m a racist. It’s because I don’t like what he’s doing as President and anybody should be able to feel that way. But what I find now is that if you say anything against him you’re called a racist. But it has nothing to do with it, I don’t care what color he is. I’m just not crazy about what he’s doing…”

    “If I’m going to disagree with my President,” she concluded, “that doesn’t make me a racist…It has nothing to do with it. It is ridiculous.”

    http://www.ihatethemedia.com/sanity-strikes-hollywood-angie-harmon-says-im-not-racist-because-i-disagree-with-obama

  • FearMonger

    Forgot all about this…

    Former President Jimmy Carter said: “I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man.”

  • FearMonger

    In reference to Rep. Joe Wilson’s shouting “liar” during Obama’s address on health care before the joint session of Congress, New York Times social critic Maureen Dowd said:

    “Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it.”

  • FearMonger

    The Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz said he “began to suspect that race was a factor for at least some critics when I heard them shouting about ‘the Constitution’ and ‘taking our country back.’” Kurtz asked whether the massive tea parties and other public protests reflect a “distinct discomfort with the country’s first black president.”

  • FearMonger

    above 3 posts copied from http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=507602

    Hey Tommy… anything to say about this? Will I have to wait 13 hours or will the crickets keep chirping indefinitely…. perhaps infinitely?

    That would be a shame and once again so very typical. Inconvenient truths exposed and ignored….

    Par for the course.

  • in my humble opinion

    I always liked Helen because she would ask tough questions and she was one of the few women in a mainly male venue. I was really surprised she was an anti semite. A woman in drag. The remaining member of Hitler Youth. And, most importantly, CHILDLESS!!!!!

  • Tommy Christopher

    FearMonger said:
    Forgot all about this…

    Former President Jimmy Carter said: “I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man.”

    Now, we’re getting somewhere. This is the most famous example that right-wingers like to point at, ignoring the qualifiers “overwhelming portion” and “intensely demonstrated.” He’s specifically talking about the most extreme, often overtly racist, anti-Obama elements. He doesn’t say “everyone who opposes Obama is a racist.”

  • Tommy Christopher

    FearMonger said:
    In reference to Rep. Joe Wilson’s shouting “liar” during Obama’s address on health care before the joint session of Congress, New York Times social critic Maureen Dowd said:

    “Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it.”

    Again, criticism of Wilson wasn’t out of the blue, but based on the fact that his outburst was completely unprecedented. When you do something to the black president that was never done to centuries of white presidents, we get to at least ask the question. Get over it.

  • Tommy Christopher

    FearMonger said:
    The Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz said he “began to suspect that race was a factor for at least some critics when I heard them shouting about ‘the Constitution’ and ‘taking our country back.’” Kurtz asked whether the massive tea parties and other public protests reflect a “distinct discomfort with the country’s first black president.”

    The article you cite doesn’t link to the original quotes, or their context, but again, Kurtz qualifies his statement heavily, and rightly identifies “taking our country back” as, again, a fair basis for the question.

  • Tommy Christopher

    FearMonger said:
    above 3 posts copied from http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=507602

    Hey Tommy… anything to say about this? Will I have to wait 13 hours or will the crickets keep chirping indefinitely…. perhaps infinitely?

    That would be a shame and once again so very typical. Inconvenient truths exposed and ignored….

    Par for the course.

    Finally, yes, there will be long stretches of time when I don’t look back at comment threads. That’s gonna happen.

  • FearMonger

    Dude. Wow. Still won’t admit you were wrong. Good to know you read the thread up to this point though.

    Anyone who reads it can see what a crock of BS you are peddling.

    Back in a bit to clown you some more.

    A little something to chew on in the meantime….if anyone needs to ‘get over it’ it’s you.

    Remember this?…..

    “Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.”

    How many have I given you now? I guess I mucked up your semantics again —after all you did ask for ‘just one’, right?

  • FearMonger

    Tommy Christopher said:
    Now, we’re getting somewhere. This is the most famous example that right-wingers like to point at, ignoring the qualifiers “overwhelming portion” and “intensely demonstrated.” He’s specifically talking about the most extreme, often overtly racist, anti-Obama elements. He doesn’t say “everyone who opposes Obama is a racist.”

    “He’s specifically talking about the most extreme, often overtly racist, anti-Obama elements”

    Dude, that’s a subjective interpretation ….not to mention as kind a translation as possible.

    btw… you didn’t require evidence of someone saying “everyone who opposes Obama is a racist”. And Jimmy didn’t limit his comments to ‘provable racists’. He said what he thought….hence the qualifier ‘I think….”

    But we already knew what he thought. I could give you a different interpretation of those same words that would ring a bit differently from yours …. and here’s the thing…. my description would be every bit as credible as yours.

    Get over it.

  • More Liberty

    Tommy Christopher said:
    Now, we’re getting somewhere. This is the most famous example that right-wingers like to point at, ignoring the qualifiers “overwhelming portion” and “intensely demonstrated.” He’s specifically talking about the most extreme, often overtly racist, anti-Obama elements. He doesn’t say “everyone who opposes Obama is a racist.”

    Ms. Garafalo pretty much did. I see you still refuse to acknowledge that you were wrong. Just admit that you were wrong Mr. Christopher. We gave you more than one example and you still refuse to believe it.

  • FearMonger

    Tommy Christopher said:
    Again, criticism of Wilson wasn’t out of the blue, but based on the fact that his outburst was completely unprecedented. When you do something to the black president that was never done to centuries of white presidents, we get to at least ask the question. Get over it.

    I’m not the one who said ‘Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.”

    And Tommy, seriously, who injected race into this anyway? And you still defend it by saying “we get to at least ask the question”????

    NO. YOU DON’T!!!

    By your BS take on this… because Obama is the first Black Prez AND FOR NO OTHER REASON…. if someone says or does something ‘unprecedented’ in this oh-so- unprecedented time in the history of this great Country… YOU get to ask if they are a racist.

    Just because they lost control for a moment because they heard the same friggin’ LIE one too many times? How ’bout people who want to see a birth certificate? That’s ‘unprecedented’, right?…A Prez. with questionable citizenship….. Don’t they get to ‘ask the question’ too???? Hmmmmm.

    And what about that word…. ‘unprecedented’. Aren’t you saying that RACIAL motives can be called into question on every single original, unique happening concerning this Prez.?? So, when we point out that he held the first press conference ‘sans American flag’ in the history of this Country, you get to propose the idea that it’s not about PATRIOTISM, it’s about RACISM.

    WRONG.

    And isn’t that exactly what we’ve been talking about… the use of the word RACIST to shame people into submission? You called it ‘the stupidest straw man’ but all you have done is defend exactly that practice.

    Get over it.

  • FearMonger

    More Liberty said:
    Ms. Garafalo pretty much did. I see you still refuse to acknowledge that you were wrong. Just admit that you were wrong Mr. Christopher. We gave you more than one example and you still refuse to believe it.

    I’m not done by a long shot. Form my count he only successfully refuted ONE of my examples and I’m gonna show him how you go about admitting you made a mistake.

    This won’t take too long.

  • FearMonger

    Speaking of ‘context’…. here’s a bit more of it for you TC…

    “I live in the South, and I’ve seen the South come a long way, and I’ve seen the rest of the country that shared the South’s attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African Americans. That racism inclination still exists. And I think it’s bubbled up to the surface because of a belief among many white people, not just in the South, but around the country, that African Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It’s an abominable circumstance and grieves me and concerns me very deeply,” the former president continued.

    http://www.blackjournalism.com/?p=183

    Would you like to go ahead and admit that your subjective ‘analysis’ was off? Hell TC, you even take a shot at ‘right-wingers’ in your post as you go on to lecture about what Jimmuh was ‘specifically’ talking about.

    Sure looks to me like it’s the ‘left-wingers’ who try to disguise that he was ‘specifially’ talking about this….

    “… a belief among many white people, not just in the South, but around the country, that African Americans are not qualified to lead this great country”

    I didn’t see any of your words in there Tommy….” most extreme, often overtly racist, anti-Obama elements”.

    I wonder where you got your ‘context’ from…..

  • FearMonger

    Dang…. I hate that I just lost that post I had written. I just don’t have it in me to write it again.

    Tommy, please don’t deny the fact that We The People out here in America are indeed being attacked with a sharp-edged RACE sword for simply disagreeing with Obama’s policies. The evidence is all over the place and it has gone on too damned long. It’s not a STRAW MAN…it’s real.

    When someone with your platform says that it never happens, you become part of the problem. You said above that ‘failing to call out racism is exactly how it takes root once more”. Now we have you justifying prejudice right here on this thread.

    The JournoList, Maureen Dowdy saying THE WHITE HOUSE ISN’T BLACK ENOUGH, that other lady (can’t find the quote right now….headache) who said it’s better to have republicans defending against charges of racism than talking about unemployment….. all that shit plus plenty more is being hurled willy-nilly these days. Racism is being used as a political weapon and it’s not cool.

    When you refuse to acknowledge it ….well, nevermind. I hope you will take the concerns more seriously than you did in this thread. A legitimate parallel was offered and you dismissed it. Turns out you were wrong although you have still refused to acknowledge it. I’m sure you will do the right thing on this. It’s all here in the posts for anybody to judge. I think I made my case.

    For my part, I apologize for getting too passionate… I’m paying for it with a thumping headache. I lived for years as ‘a minority’ and I know about racism on both ends and I hate it. It’s poison. Please don’t ignore it just because it happens to be coming from the left.

  • Tommy Christopher

    FearMonger said:
    Speaking of ‘context’…. here’s a bit more of it for you TC…

    “I live in the South, and I’ve seen the South come a long way, and I’ve seen the rest of the country that shared the South’s attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African Americans. That racism inclination still exists. And I think it’s bubbled up to the surface because of a belief among many white people, not just in the South, but around the country, that African Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It’s an abominable circumstance and grieves me and concerns me very deeply,” the former president continued.

    http://www.blackjournalism.com/?p=183

    Would you like to go ahead and admit that your subjective ‘analysis’ was off? Hell TC, you even take a shot at ‘right-wingers’ in your post as you go on to lecture about what Jimmuh was ’specifically’ talking about.

    Sure looks to me like it’s the ‘left-wingers’ who try to disguise that he was ’specifially’ talking about this….

    “… a belief among many white people, not just in the South, but around the country, that African Americans are not qualified to lead this great country”

    I didn’t see any of your words in there Tommy….” most extreme, often overtly racist, anti-Obama elements”.

    I wonder where you got your ‘context’ from…..

    What part of that Carter quote do you disagree with? What he is saying is undeniably true, borne out by a mountain of evidence. There ARE many white people, not just in the South, who feel this way. During the 2008 election, poll after poll, Democratic and Republican, showed as many as 20% of voters willing to admit to pollsters that Obama’s race made them less likely to vote for him. Membership in hate groups spiked when he was elected. To deny that this exists is the worst kind of blindness.

    What Carter said was 100% true, backed up by facts.

  • FearMonger

    Honestly Tommy, I am stunned. Now I see why people call you a partisan hack. This thread speaks for itself. It’s a shame that nobody is likely to view it again.

    What’s ‘backed up by facts’ is that you refuse to admit when you are proven wrong. You said

    “Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.”

    I have given you many, including the ‘example’ that you readily acknowledge in this post, and yet you continue to dance around your original DISPROVED assertion.

    Typical liberal delusion. You really are quite the ‘journalist’. Just like Helen and the rest of your ilk.

    Enjoy the company you keep. Echo chambers are lovely places.

  • FearMonger

    More Liberty said:
    If I provide a link where a certain person claims that the whole Tea Party movement, and their ideology is racist will you reply and admit that you were wrong, and will you apologize?

    ML,

    The answer to your question is an emphatic NO. He speaks of ‘the worst kind of blindness’ but he’s the one who is blind as a bat….. a friggin’ useless moonbat.

    What a joke.

  • Pablo

    When you do something to the black president that was never done to centuries of white presidents, we get to at least ask the question.

    And there it is right there. If you think nobody ever talked shit to a white president, you need to spend less time at the WH and more time at the library educating yourself. You don’t think a Congresscritter has ever said the POTUS is lying? Please.

    But, like Dowd, you heard “Boy” in there, right?

  • FearMonger

    You notice who insists on continuously referring to him ‘the black president’….. Matthews is the worst.

    He’s the American President and he will be held accountable. He wanted the job. This is like watching what happens when the dog finally catches the car….

    WHAT NOW????

  • MakeANoise

    Replacing Helen Thomas with Fox News?

    What a disgrace!

  • FearMonger

    [IMG]http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr253/jdjacksonsdad/cricket_hopping.gif[/IMG]

  • magicbeans

    MakeANoise said:
    Replacing Helen Thomas with Fox News? What a disgrace!

    I know, right? They should have found another jew hating reporter to keep the vibe going. Oh well. *shrugs*

  • FearMonger

    FredCPA said:
    “This is the stupidest straw man since the Tea Party Production of The Wiz. Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.” dude, you know you dont believe that. i dont believe it. noone beleives that becasue it is false, and strategy of democrats. go ask them. you KNOW the truth. for your own sake, your kharma, please stop lieing. its on you man. i have faith in you. you know what i am talking about. when you try to defend the indefensible, its good to just stop. its your call now. you can do this. just. tell. the. truth. peace bro.

    just read this again and felt the need to

    BUMP IT!

  • FearMonger

    More Liberty said:
    I know man. I went back and saw that you scooped the “one example” before me. Mr. Christopher makes some good points from time to time, I admit that. However, we need to be able to admit when we are wrong. And it appears, from the evidence provided, that Mr. Christopher was wrong on this particular issue.

    More Liberty said:
    I see you still refuse to acknowledge that you were wrong. Just admit that you were wrong Mr. Christopher. We gave you more than one example and you still refuse to believe it.

    FearMonger said:
    By your BS take on this… because Obama is the first Black Prez AND FOR NO OTHER REASON…. if someone says or does something ‘unprecedented’ in this oh-so- unprecedented time in the history of this great Country… YOU get to ask if they are a racist.
    Just because they lost control for a moment because they heard the same friggin’ LIE one too many times? How ’bout people who want to see a birth certificate? That’s ‘unprecedented’, right?…A Prez. with questionable citizenship….. Don’t they get to ‘ask the question’ too???? Hmmmmm.
    And what about that word…. ‘unprecedented’. Aren’t you saying that RACIAL motives can be called into question on every single original, unique happening concerning this Prez.?? So, when we point out that he held the first press conference ’sans American flag’ in the history of this Country, you get to propose the idea that it’s not about PATRIOTISM, it’s about RACISM.
    WRONG.
    And isn’t that exactly what we’ve been talking about… the use of the word RACIST to shame people into submission? You called it ‘the stupidest straw man’ but all you have done is defend exactly that practice

  • Doc P

    Cowardmonger-Dude, i suspect deep issues causing turbulence in your little pea-brain. Like hearing yourself talk/post? Sheesh. Let me explain it to you in terms you and your little pack of beeyatches can understand: If someone pushes my kid down in the neighborhood, and i go out there and clean his clock, whos the arsehat, me or the adult bully who pushed down my 15 year-old daughter? Is that simple enough for ya, d-a?
    BTW, are you a veteran, or just another chicken-hawk? I dont worship the flag, i support the principles behind it, and gave 4 years to prove it. How about you?

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