Butt it out guys.

If I still smoked pot I would really enjoy Glenn Beck.

I’ll bet GBR beats BFD to the punch this thread…
6-5-4-3-2-

Free speech taken to its logical extreme.

You miss the point… The 12ers think they can hasten the return of the 12th imam by bringing about the conditions the world is said to be in when he returns (ie. world awash in blood) Same for Christians thinking they can help Jesus come sooner by starting Armegeddon.

hmm, I think we should not comment on this story, maybe then Mediaite will stop posting (spreading) Glenn Beck’s CRAZINESS!!!!!!!

I don’t like Glen Beck at all, but I’m tuning in every day now because its like an acid trip from the 70′s.

The coolest thing is that the Baboon is a MORMON,

their own story and foundation is enough to freak out anyone with two neurons, so it is no wonder the Baboon and his paranoid delusions feel the end of times are just around the corner.

Buy GOLD!

We need Glenn to take a break and split his thoughts up into about 3 shows. One or more episodes on the Shia beliefs and the 12th Imam thing, maybe with a tie into the Caliphate, and why Ahjabberdad thinks he is the 12th Imam but really is just a whacko Iranian leader. Another show on just the AC which is a Christian belief. And a third on explaining why Obama is not the AC after all, despite previous media reports, since the AC can’t be some Bin Laden dude hiding in a cave(12th Hidden Imam) and the pres of the US at the same time. C’mon Glenn use some critical thinking skills here, I know you can do it if you try. This attempt is just making more people listen to GBR and the up coming bombshell.

lazzzlo said:
If I still smoked pot I would really enjoy Glenn Beck.

What a waste of pot that would be.

Y’all ever see the movie “Elmer Gantry” with Burt Lancaster?

This is becoming more and more familiar.

nice_thought said:
lazzzlo said:
If I still smoked pot I would really enjoy Glenn Beck.
What a waste of pot that would be.

Actually no, I always went for the weird things in life when I was stoned; I saw Morton Downey once at a town hall meeting.

Oh Jon- If the entire premise of your article is that Beck is inconsistent, why don’t you use a clip of him saying the inconsistent things? I just watched 5 minutes of him comparing the Anitichrist to the 12th Imam and nothing in it supports the premise of your article.

So now what? I guess I just have to take your word for it that in the monologue he said all the stuff you said he did. I am not calling you a liar, just wish all the pieces were here and fit together nicely. Of course it’s not an issue at all for the Beck haters, but for people that like to judge for themselves, it is a problem.

waderic4 said:
You miss the point… The 12ers think they can hasten the return of the 12th imam by bringing about the conditions the world is said to be in when he returns (ie. world awash in blood) Same for Christians thinking they can help Jesus come sooner by starting Armegeddon.

But the Christians haven’t been maiming and slaughtering tens-of-thousands of innocent men, women and children.
Why don’t you Google the carnage caused by both groups over the past 10 years, and show us how equating the two – as many Liberal Democrats do – is anything more than a bald-faced Lie!

NORBIT Jr. said:
But the Christians haven’t been maiming and slaughtering tens-of-thousands of innocent men, women and children.

They have in the past, but they haven’t in the present time, no. Is this something you really want to feel proud about?

Hooray….Glenn just went from Nut to Religious Nut in one fell swoop.

That’s like a promotion in the Nut World.

He has reached the pinnacle of Nutdom!

____________________________________________
Day 9 since Henny Glenny was struck by an overwhelming feeling that Egypt is the beginning of a growing evil that is going to spread a global Muslim caliphate and with the help of the communists and progressives create a New World Order ending our way of life as we know it.

lazzzlo said:
Actually no, I always went for the weird things in life when I was stoned; I saw Morton Downey once at a town hall meeting.

U have a point. We used to get high and watch all the infomercials all night long.

BFD said:
Day 9 since Henny Glenny was struck by an overwhelming feeling that Egypt is the beginning of a growing evil that is going to spread a global Muslim caliphate and with the help of the communists and progressives create a New World Order ending our way of life as we know it.

didn’t he say on that show that it was something he guaranteed would happen?
he was saying something to the effect that all of his past prophecies were only things that might happen although he wished they wouldn’t but this was one thing he guaranteed would happen. that this is our archduke ferdinand moment.
i also wonder about this caliphate fantasy he has is how are they supposed to overcome that whole sunni/shiite thing.

It was a quite clear exposition of issue, based on christian and islamic tradition and for being quite accurate Glenn Beck is the one to blame of insanity?

Believing it or not rhe results are quite shocking

Raygun said:
They have in the past, but they haven’t in the present time, no. Is this something you really want to feel proud about?

“my religion killed more people”
“no, my religion did”

given the inquisition, i think the christians might be ahead on the body count.

nice_thought said:
U have a point. We used to get high and watch all the infomercials all night long.

Oh, the old days!

Ed Lascar said:
It was a quite clear exposition of issue, based on christian and islamic tradition and for being quite accurate Glenn Beck is the one to blame of insanity?

Believing it or not rhe results are quite shocking

He’s a fundamentalist. Like those fundamentalists on the other side of the planet that we’ve fought so much.

That’s my point. If anyone tells me about the second coming of the Lord…I duck.

I am a Christian.

NORBIT Jr. said:
But the Christians haven’t been maiming and slaughtering tens-of-thousands of innocent men, women and children.
Why don’t you Google the carnage caused by both groups over the past 10 years, and show us how equating the two – as many Liberal Democrats do – is anything more than a bald-faced Lie!

Sure about that?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
http://www.unknownnews.org/casualties.html

Kvon, no he isn’t. He is a mormon believer in many issues, I understand that, but his set of mind rarely undermine his thoughts.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
that this is our archduke ferdinand moment.

LOL…Henny Glenny has identified SEVEN “Archduke Ferdinand Moments” in four years.

Hey!!! I would be a mórmon if they permit gays to be enrolled in!

LOL!!!

They have just build a gorgeus temple in my city. A small coastal city in Sao Paulo, Bertioga!

wow, that guy richardson is a bigger bigot on islam than beck is.

Richardson: “One Cannot Be A Christian And Also Believe That Islam Is Not Evil.” Discussing Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who last year announced plans to hold a “Burn A Quran Day,” and then changed his mind in the face of widespread condemnation, Richardson wrote at WorldNetDaily:

I fully agree with Pastor Terry Jones regarding the title of his book, “Islam is of the Devil.” There’s no question about it. In fact, I would say that if one is a true Christian and genuinely informed regarding Islam, there is no other option. One cannot be a Christian and also believe that Islam is not evil.

i knew beck was prejudice against islam when he told rep. keith ellison he thought he was his enemy, but then have this clown on? what’s that saying? hoods of the same color, something like that.

Ed Lascar said:
Kvon, no he isn’t. He is a mormon believer in many issues, I understand that, but his set of mind rarely undermine his thoughts.

I lived in Utah for many years, and while there is an obsession with the apocalypse among them, he is worse than anything else out there on the subject.

kvon said:
He’s a fundamentalist.

I am a reformed fundamentalist…that just basically means you believe in the Bible. That poses me enough problems for the rest of my life time.

But Revelations is a book that, along with Isiah and Jeremiah, are chapters of the gospel that I do not pretend to understand.

So if Glenn Beck has the answers…good for him.

But I believe in a few grains of salt.

lazzzlo said:
Y’all ever see the movie “Elmer Gantry” with Burt Lancaster?

This is becoming more and more familiar.

or “a face in the crowd” with andy griffith

ChiliPeppersFan said:
or “a face in the crowd” with andy griffith

Good man…that’s a messed up movie.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
or “a face in the crowd” with andy griffith

Or “Being There” with Peter Sellers.

That’s the one about the retard who is mistaken for a genius by clueless morons.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Sure about that?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
http://www.unknownnews.org/casualties.html

didn’t they have bombs, or ammunition, or guns have a psalm or something engrave on them? i kinda remember something like that.

I love the shit he spews every night. Talk about them Glen, , every day, make Liberal heads explode.

Offensive?

CBS supporting a Truther, porn star banging, drug addicticed, crack smoking, alcoholic ,woman beater and placing him in family hour on TV is offensive.

This, not so much.

Raygun said:
They have in the past, but they haven’t in the present time, no. Is this something you really want to feel proud about?

It’s the false-equal ploy.

Christian crusaders have been long gone, and pose no threat; Islamic terrorists pose a clear and present danger. It’s no more complicated than that.

Praying for the end of days, Glenn. Why do you want everyone to die?

Cancon2 said:
CBS supporting a Truther, porn star banging, drug addicticed, crack smoking, alcoholic ,woman beater and placing him in family hour on TV is offensive.

andy rooney?

BFD said:
Or “Being There” with Peter Sellers.

That’s the one about the retard who is mistaken for a genius by clueless morons.

I’d describe that a little bit different, but yeah..

I think the difference there is Peter Sellers is benign and everyone else thinks he is something else that appeals to them.

What the hell, did you ever see the Magic Christian with Peter Sellers and Ringo Star?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
Cancon2 said:
CBS supporting a Truther, porn star banging, drug addicticed, crack smoking, alcoholic ,woman beater and placing him in family hour on TV is offensive.
andy rooney?

Honestly, I’m getting old and I am middle aged.

If anyone mentions Andy Rooney, the only answer is to put him out in a pasture and shoot him.

@ Chili 8:21

Ha!

The underpinnings for many of the most powerful Nazis (including Hitler) was in the Occult and their absolute conviction that they were the heirs of the Aryan Myth. Those who were not true believers kept that to themselves and didn’t cast public doubt.

We have an example in our recent past that demonstrates that people can simultaneously be bat shit crazy and brilliant politicians whose ruthlessness knows no bounds.

So, does Ajad believe this or not?

I googled it and came to this short segment between Ann Curry and Ajad:

http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/27/nbc-news-asks-ahmadinejad-about-12th-imam/

“NBC’s Ann Curry: In your speeches, you pray for God to hasten the arrival of the hidden Imam, the Muslim messiah. Would you tell us, as I know you will speak about this at the general assembly, as well. What is your relationship with the hidden Imam, and how soon do you think before the second coming?

President Ahmadinejad: Yes, that’s true. I prayed for the arrival of the 12th Imam. The owner of the age, as we call him. Because the owner of the age is the symbol of the – justice and brotherly love prevailing around the world. When the Imam arrives, all of these problems will be resolved. And a prayer for the owner of the age is nothing but a wish for justice and brotherly love to prevail around the world. And it’s an obligation a person takes upon himself to always think about brotherly love. And also to treating others as equals. All people can establish such a connection with the Imam of the age. It’s roughly the same as the relationship which exists between Christians and the Christ. They speak with Jesus Christ and they are sure that Christ hears them. And responds. Therefore, this is not limited to us only. Any person can talk with the Imam.

Curry: You’ve said that you believe that his arrival, the apocalypse, would happen in your own lifetime. What do you believe that you should do to hasten his arrival?

Ahmadinejad: I have never said such a thing.

Curry: Ah, forgive me.

Ahmadinejad: I – I – I was talking about peace.

Curry: Forgive me.

Ahmadinejad: What is being said about an apocalyptic war and – global war, things of that nature. This is what the Zionists are claiming. Imam…will come with logic, with culture, with science. He will come so that there is no more war. No more enmity, hatred. No more conflict. He will call on everyone to enter a brotherly love. Of course, he will return with Jesus Christ. The two will come back together. And working together, they would fill this world with love. The stories that have been disseminated around the world about extensive war, apocalyptic wars, so on and so forth, these are false.

Also noteworthy from Curry’s interview is that four times she asks Ahmadinejad to rule out any scenario by which Iran would develop nuclear weapons, and four times he pointedly refuses.”

lazzzlo said:
I am a reformed fundamentalist…that just basically means you believe in the Bible. That poses me enough problems for the rest of my life time.

But Revelations is a book that, along with Isiah and Jeremiah, are chapters of the gospel that I do not pretend to understand.

So if Glenn Beck has the answers…good for him.

But I believe in a few grains of salt.

Then you don’t understand the term my friend. There is plenty in the Bible that even strict adherents to Christianity don’t believe in.

If you do, can I possibly buy your daughter as a slave because that is in the Bible?

lazzzlo said:
If anyone mentions Andy Rooney, the only answer is to put him out in a pasture and shoot him.

That probably will haunt me forever…

Here we go,

kvon said:
Then you don’t understand the term my friend. There is plenty in the Bible that even strict adherents to Christianity don’t believe in.

If you do, can I possibly buy your daughter as a slave because that is in the Bible?

No.

The references are historical facts. They are guidelines that are over 2000 years old.

My daughter is also not for sale.

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lazzzlo said:
Here we go,

No.

So you’re a heretic then?

Kvon,

I also don’t adhere to killing your own 1st born, slaughtering your neighbor for their crop or ignoring other people’s suffering for your own benefit.

That’s what those lessons were about.

They were designed to give you a choice and to trust that the choice was correct.

It was also designed to make you humble.

Once you accept that you can’t do it all on your own…that’s where my belief comes in to play.

I really wasn’t expecting to do this, but I’m very comfortable with my “Reformed Baptist” fundamental belief system.

ok…I’m not evangelical.

So is he saying mosques are basically for Satan worshiping?

Beck believes in Beck. Period. He has said that when he got married, his wife and he went “looking for a religion”. He didn’t say whether they went to Barnes & Noble or Walmart, but he was shopping around for a good deal, apparently. As for him not being consistent, come on! He’s practicing the old art of double-talk. He’s not supposed to make sense, just to create a vision in your brain that scares the hell out of you.

I feel sorry for you religious people, so much to worry about.

ProgLib said:
I feel sorry for you religious people, so much to worry about.

No worries. Thanks for your concern.

I do not worry about the 2nd coming.

I dunno if y’all are into it or not….but you should check out what Pascal’s Gambit means.

It’s an interesting take on life.

” All I’m asking is that he makes them consistent.”

I’m not sure why anyone would expect this from Beck. I’ve never seen him be consistent in any argument.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Sure about that?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
http://www.unknownnews.org/casualties.html

Um Point Jackie. Nice catch.

Maybe Glenn has his own Apocalyptic motives.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/report-glenn-beck-is-speaking-in-secret-mormon-code/

NORBIT Jr. said:
It’s the false-equal ploy.

Christian crusaders have been long gone, and pose no threat; Islamic terrorists pose a clear and present danger. It’s no more complicated than that.

A little more. I notice you skipped Jackie’s response and question.

Just wondering How many here watched the show or even watched the clip. This had nothing to do with Glenn’s beliefs. It had to do with what the 12ers believe. Yes you can compare the Christian belief and the 12ers belief, which was very interesting, but Glen was saying how the 12ers are trying to bring this all about. It was an interesting show. Some of you should try and watch it sometime.

C’mon Cosmos Dan…

What if Glenn Beck does tell the truth?

I’m not saying he does…not me, but what if he does? And if he does, well…you know what that means.

Now I’m not the one to say that Glenn tells you anything but the truth…far be it from me.

But if he did, wouldn’t he tell you what you thought you wanted to hear?

Let me just give you the facts. The facts as I see them and you see them but they tell you shouldn’t see them…the facts.

In fact, I’m going to show you these facts and diagram them so we all can see them.

(I have to think about this…this is hard)

We’ve come back from commercial and these are the facts up here on the chalkboard. I could tell you to blame the media, but that would be to easy.

No, that’s what they want you to think. Instead, I’m going to trust you, the viewer, the one who has control. Yes, you…I know what you are thinking…you are wondering “who am I”?

Well, I’ll tell you who you are…you have the facts, you know the facts and with your support, millions of others will have the facts.

Before I close, I’d like to be earnest and remove my glasses. Because I am talking one on one with you. They say you don’t believe; that you don’t have the facts. But I know you do.

I ran out of original thought but that was a good 1st draft.

Well at least now Mediate isn’t ridiculing Beck and trying to make him look like a buffoon, which is an improvement.
For one thing, about Google, Beck didn’t tell anyone to boycott Google, nor did he organize a boycott, so don’t make it out like he’s trying hurt Google (he couldn’t anyway). He’s just informing his audience about Google’s data mining and political involvement.
And as for the 12th Imam stuff, Beck made it clear that he thought the “end-timers” from both religions were nuts.

OxyCon, he is a buffoon.

this is so insanely stupid on so many levels. as someone from a 12er shia background who grew up listening to assorted end of times stories, often very different from each other, a lot of what is written on that board is either completely made up, or selected from a hundred predictions about the guy to match what they put on the left hand sad. for instance never heard of whats written on the forehead of the good guys in the shia purview. what is commonly said about the mark of the beast is that it would be written on the forehead of the antichrist that he is kaffir (i.e. idolator). ruling 7 years, well i’ve heard predictions ranging from 5 to 50 to several generations. Dont take my word for it, just google (ooooh) imam mehdi, and read some of the pages that come up. Just try to see how many of Glenn Beck’s right hand side predictions crop up.

Now its possible that some of those right hand predictions exist. If you have a thousand predictions before you, you are going to end up matching the five you’re trying to match.

Also, does the dullard realise that the Muslim brotherhood are Sunni? Why exactly does he think they would want to bring round the 12th imam given that they dont believe in the first 11? Does he realise that there is virtually nothing common between sunni and shia beliefs about the mehdi except for the name and lineage, let alone specific predictions like how long his rule will be and what treaties he will sign.

The problem with americans is that being so ill informed about the world outside of their continent they end up characterising this in terms of conspiracy theory vs ooh this guy is going there. well theres a third way to look at this: complete and total ignorance.

This is why I’ve stopped watching Beck. He actually buys into the idea that Muslims are evil because of their religion. And when he tries to seperate the two it just doesnt make any sense. We need more freedom throughout the entire world and unfortunately it’s rather obvious Glenn Beck does not trust Muslims with freedom because they might *GASP* choose the Muslim Brotherhood.

If we’d be more consistent and truly embrace freedom perhaps the Muslim Brotherhood would not be an enemy? We have to change course eventually and unfortunately Beck’s foreign policy ideas will just lead to more enemies and more distrust abroad. We’ve got a mess in the middle east and it’s not because of non-interventionism. It’s because of our intervention and Beck seems to desire to continue that. The more we intervene the more they’ll resent and hate us and the less people like Beck will ever trust them to be truly free.

It drives me crazy.

lazzzlo said:
OxyCon, he is a buffoon.

It’s really easy to paint someone who says controversial things and has an “over-the-top” delivery as a buffoon in order to discount them. Say anything you want about the guy, but he’s been right about many different things quite alot. No, he hasn’t always been right, but oddly he’s been right about the things he’s said which were the most controversial and most ridiculed. I seriously doubt that the people who discount him actually watch his show.

OxyCon said:
Well at least now Mediate isn’t ridiculing Beck and trying to make him look like a buffoon, which is an improvement.
For one thing, about Google, Beck didn’t tell anyone to boycott Google, nor did he organize a boycott, so don’t make it out like he’s trying hurt Google (he couldn’t anyway). He’s just informing his audience about Google’s data mining and political involvement.
And as for the 12th Imam stuff, Beck made it clear that he thought the “end-timers” from both religions were nuts.

He was just sayin’…

You don’t get that putting the info out there and routinely repeating it often is pretty much the same thing as the things that you’re saying he isn’t doing?
He didn’t teach you that trick that manipulators use yet? He must be saving that one for himself to use on the likes of you.

Nacho said:
He was just sayin’…

You don’t get that putting the info out there and routinely repeating it often is pretty much the same thing as the things that you’re saying he isn’t doing?
He didn’t teach you that trick that manipulators use yet? He must be saving that one for himself to use on the likes of you.

Yeah, cuz I’m so easily manipulated and can’t think for myself. Why just yesterday I took out a hammer and smashed my Droid X to pieces…I don’t know why….but maybe it’s because Beck manipulated my mind with subliminal messages.

The Baboon’s are truly the rants of an ignorant, scared, confused mind.

Did anyone else catch the part where he says he reached this conclusion and soiled himself about 5 years ago?

Why, Highest Baboon! What other secrets and revelations are you hiding from the flock?

OK. Seriously. What the Baboon did with THAT is called “a solution looking for a problem” and he is twisting and stretching reality to fit his delusions. Of course, EVERYBODY ELSE is crazy but not him. No. Not him.

He may or may not have. The point is that’s what he is doing and for some reason, you are not able to or do not wish to see it.

Nacho said:
So is he saying mosques are basically for Satan worshiping?

uh…12ers are a small sect in the Shiite religion, and even the Shiite religion only makes up about 18 percent of Muslims. The majority of Muslims consider Shiite heretics and then the Shiites consider the 12ers to extreme…so it is not all mosques.

The reason I occasionally make comments about Beck is to try to warn the sweet, trusting, naive people who watch Beck that he’s intentionally been allowed to become a Pied Piper by Murdoch and the forces that want to prevent any progressive movement in this country. While I can’t watch him for more than one commercial break – it’s much too painful -it’s clear that he does have a hypnotic effect. Most of what he has to say is absolute gibberish, but his effect is so powerful, that otherwise sensible people believe and go around parroting his confused ideas, if you can even call them ideas. I doubt that he’s an evil person, he’s more of a masterful opportunist. However, since he often does bring up the Anti-Christ, I think he is quite familiar with the ideology of the anti-Christ. He’s almost a comical stand-in for this forboding figure. Fortunately, he appears to be on burn-out and will probably not last another season.

The problem is that the 12ers are in charge of Iran and they believe in helping start the beginning of the Apocalypse

I did this research some time ago when, like Beck, I heard the leader of Iran talk about it at the UN years ago. So why not know what is going on and act like the 12ers don’t exist?

I meant to write…”so why not know what is going on OR act like the 12ers don’t exist”

They are, and he has a 5 P.M. show on Fox.

Latin2 said:
The problem is that the 12ers are in charge of Iran and they believe in helping start the beginning of the Apocalypse

That is not the problem.

The problem is the Baboon is trying to find more boogiemen to keep his mini Baboons soiling themselves in fear. He has now gone so far as telling them to fear the Giggles, because it is invested in collapsing the western civilization and welcoming the great Anti-Christ Caliphate-New-World-Order.

Have I mentioned how the gNOpig intelligentsia don’t think much of him?

Right now the Mahdi is in a well covered by green box at a mosque outside of the city of Qom. The box covering the well has slits in it so the faithful can slip their prayers. He is down that well waiting to come out

GlennBovineKoldys said:
That is not the problem.

The problem is the Baboon is trying to find more boogiemen to keep his mini Baboons soiling themselves in fear. He has now gone so far as telling them to fear the Giggles, because it is invested in collapsing the western civilization and welcoming the great Anti-Christ Caliphate-New-World-Order.

Have I mentioned how the gNOpig intelligentsia don’t think much of him?

uh…you are an idiot and do not know what is going on in the world. The 12er sect has been talking about the re-emergence of the Mahdi more and more lately, and they believe they have to HASTEN his return. Now that a 12er is in office in Iran he has been working to ‘HASTEN that promise.

When the Mahdi returns he will lead the NEW Caliphate and spread Islam and destroy the children of Satan…which is NON-BELIEVERS.

That is why the sect is so excited to see the fall of Muslim countries in the Middle East because to them that shows that the time is CLOSE…for them.

Latin2 said:
uh…you are an idiot and do not know what is going on in the world. The 12er sect has been talking about the re-emergence of the Mahdi more and more lately, and they believe they have to HASTEN his return. Now that a 12er is in office in Iran he has been working to ‘HASTEN that promise.

I am really really really scared.

There is this guy down the block, with a pick up truck, gun rack, USA flag decal, and Ralph 21:12 bumper sticker. He goes to Wally World every Sunday and pays respect to the Gods who will protect us from the great New World Order Giggles Caliphate.

I am not sure, though. According to the Baboon, the Gods will just sit around and let you mini Baboons duke it out with the big bad moooselims. But the Baboon and his other prophet don’t explain what happens to the Gods after the fight is over.

GlennBovineKoldys said:
I am really really really scared.

There is this guy down the block, with a pick up truck, gun rack, USA flag decal, and Ralph 21:12 bumper sticker. He goes to Wally World every Sunday and pays respect to the Gods who will protect us from the great New World Order Giggles Caliphate.

I am not sure, though. According to the Baboon, the Gods will just sit around and let you mini Baboons duke it out with the big bad moooselims. But the Baboon and his other prophet don’t explain what happens to the Gods after the fight is over.

Thanks for proving you are an idiot…lol

;)

Not to put too fine a point on anything, but you guys do realize that Jesus is in the Koran, right? Just a prophet, sure, and not the messiah, but still Jesus. You know why you don’t see Muslims looking for the anti-Christ? It’s cause they like this Jesus fellow.

You know Glenn also thinks that the God story doesn’t end at Revelation too, right?

So, you what are you doing to fight them big bad 12ft mooselims?

Are you just going to hide in the basement eating the bags of Survival Seeds or are you going to go out there and fight the good fight as a nice xtian ‘murkan?

Duh…of course I know that Jesus is in the Qu’ran…BUT they believe that Christians and Jews books are corrupted by man and that they have to SPREAD Islam to correct this. To do this they have to FIGHT the Christians and destroy the Jews and kill the atheists UNLESS they bow down to Islam.

Latin2 said:
Duh…of course I know that Jesus is in the Qu’ran…BUT they believe that Christians and Jews books are corrupted by man and that they have to SPREAD Islam to correct this. To do this they have to FIGHT the Christians and destroy the Jews and kill the atheists UNLESS they bow down to Islam.

Oh, boy. NOW I am really really really scared. BOTH 12 ft mooselims and 1″ xtians hate our LBRUL guts. And then they are going to send us to hell.

Heck. The Baboon said it already!

Latin2 said:
Duh…of course I know that Jesus is in the Qu’ran…BUT they believe that Christians and Jews books are corrupted by man and that they have to SPREAD Islam to correct this. To do this they have to FIGHT the Christians and destroy the Jews and kill the atheists UNLESS they bow down to Islam.

When you say they you do also realize that there is a depth and breath to Islamic thought, right?

Catholics and Lutherns are a bit different on the Jesus train too.

But, again, Glenn is of a faith that has a whole different version of Jesus than other Christian groups too. Like for example, you aren’t going to find a lot of Methodists who think Jesus was haning out in Cleveland after he died the first time.

Lots of Jesus thoughts out there.

…now did you know that?

Sure I know that Jesus is in the Qu’ran and in fact Jesus is supposed to come when the Mahdi comes, but in the 12er sect to do that they have to bring about chaos and fight the secular governments, kill atheists and annihilate the Jews and fight Christians UNTIL EVERYONE bows to the Mahdi and the Caliphate.

GlennBovineKoldys said:
That is not the problem.

The problem is the Baboon is trying to find more boogiemen to keep his mini Baboons soiling themselves in fear. He has now gone so far as telling them to fear the Giggles, because it is invested in collapsing the western civilization and welcoming the great Anti-Christ Caliphate-New-World-Order.

Have I mentioned how the gNOpig intelligentsia don’t think much of him?

Hi REAL ROYAL KING!

The 12ers, like the leader of Iran, believe they have to start the appearance of the Mahdi, and if you go back and read my posts you will know that not all Muslims believe the same…they all believe in the Mahdi, but only the 12er sect believes that you have to cause chaos to start the return of the Mahdi.

Sure,

I’ll tell him you said hi when I see him.

Wow, I knew Liberals were stupid…but who knew they were this stupid about what is really going on?

Latin2 said:
The 12ers, like the leader of Iran, believe they have to start the appearance of the Mahdi, and if you go back and read my posts you will know that not all Muslims believe the same…they all believe in the Mahdi, but only the 12er sect believes that you have to cause chaos to start the return of the Mahdi.

And the Baboon and supporting freaks believe the rest of Muslims will just rush in droves to join the 12fters. to establish the great New-World-Order-Leftist-Giggles Caliphate.

Nice logic.

Two and a half million lemmings and fallingh fast. Most of The Beckers former fans have regained their sanity and left his looney as- at the Faux Noise network. Last one to leave turn off the lights, the one in the Beckers head went out a long time ago.

GlennBovineKoldys said:
And the Baboon and supporting freaks believe the rest of Muslims will just rush in droves to join the 12fters. to establish the great New-World-Order-Leftist-Giggles Caliphate.

Nice logic.

The Soviet Union used “USEFUL IDIOTS” or the Left as they called them, so Iran is doing the same. The first to go after many countries became Communist were the ‘USEFUL IDIOTS”. That is because they are brain dead.

Liberals = Useful idiots..all the time…lol

Latin2 said:
uh…12ers are a small sect in the Shiite religion, and even the Shiite religion only makes up about 18 percent of Muslims. The majority of Muslims consider Shiite heretics and then the Shiites consider the 12ers to extreme…so it is not all mosques.

Correction… 12ers are the main branch of shias, and comprise the majority of shias in Iran, Lebanon and Iraq.

Latin2 said:
Liberals = Useful idiots..all the time…lol

you just told us that the mahdi is in a well in a green box waiting to come out, and you’re calling us idiots?

ganymede said:
The reason I occasionally make comments about Beck is to try to warn the sweet, trusting, naive people who watch Beck that he’s intentionally been allowed to become a Pied Piper by Murdoch and the forces that want to prevent any progressive movement in this country. While I can’t watch him for more than one commercial break – it’s much too painful -it’s clear that he does have a hypnotic effect. Most of what he has to say is absolute gibberish, but his effect is so powerful that otherwise sensible people believe, and go around parroting his confused ideas, if you can even call them ideas. I doubt that he’s an evil person, he’s more of a masterful opportunist. However, since he often does bring up the Anti-Christ, I think he is quite familiar with the ideology of the anti-Christ. He’s almost a comical stand-in for this forboding figure. Fortunately, he appears to be on burn-out and will probably not last another season.

I’ve been reading some of the comments on this thread and I haven’t laughed as much in ages. This stuff is hilarious. I can’t believe that there are people that take this fundamentalistic rubbish seriously. This is crazier and much more ominous than how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. It’s not that we hate Beck, it’s just that he is such an insult to the history and betterment of humankind. Your gullibility is one of the reason we’re in trouble.

I think the funniest part of this is that the moron beck is working with says that muslims love the antichrist. They actually have an antichrist that is supposed to oppose the mahdi and jesus christ.

Because as we all know, us Progressives and Leftist hold religious beliefs at the core to build secular law as opposed to wingnut zealots who use religion to justify all sorts of atrocities and backward opinions.

Sure.

Let me spare you the jumps. Go ahead and say “atheism is a religion” “global warming is a religion” “Liberalism is a religion and a mental disorder”

But confirmed fruit cakes like the Baboon and his xtian mini Baboons are on the highway to heaven…

nice use of sockpuppets to thumbs down my comments Latin2.

Ben Pratt said:
you just told us that the mahdi is in a well in a green box waiting to come out, and you’re calling us idiots?

uh…that is what the Shia’a Muslims believe…LOL

Mini Baboons, I am logging out.

Since you idiots care so much for your golden Baboon, I leave you this thought.

Pray for his sanity and the safety of his family. Scratch that.

Just pray for the safety of the Baboon’s family. I doubt even baby jeebuz can restore sanity to the Baboon Beck.

Latin2 said:
uh…that is what the Shia’a Muslims believe…LOL

evidence?

Ben Pratt said:
you just told us that the mahdi is in a well in a green box waiting to come out, and you’re calling us idiots?

So…then you are calling Shia’a or Shiite Muslims idiots for believing that the Mahdi is in well covered by a green box at a mosque by the city of Qom…LOL

Someone’s cheating with their down thumb use, lil’ foxie.

OOOoooooooOOOOOoooooooOOOTHUMBSOooooooOOOOOOOooooOOOOOOO

Latin2 said:
So…then you are calling Shia’a or Shiite Muslims idiots for believing that the Mahdi is in well covered by a green box at a mosque by the city of Qom…LOL

again, evidence?

Ben Pratt said:
evidence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamkaran

“On Tuesday evenings especially large crowds of tens of thousands gather at Jamkaran to pray and to drop a note to the Imam in a well at the site, asking for help with some problem”

Ben Pratt said:
again, evidence?

Did you read it?

The 12th Imam, Imam Mahdi is in a WELL located in the city of Jamkaran, outside of Qom. The faithful drop notes down the well, which is covered, but has slits, so that he will make their prayers come true.

So the Mahdi is sitting in a WELL waiting to return.

Does anyone else just read this headline and wonder if Beck is just going for the shock factor? This one is just outrageous.

Lets also remember that

Latin2 said:
Did you read it?

The 12th Imam, Imam Mahdi is in a WELL located in the city of Jamkaran, outside of Qom. The faithful drop notes down the well, which is covered, but has slits, so that he will make their prayers come true.

So the Mahdi is sitting in a WELL waiting to return.

Just because people drop requests down a well doesnt mean he is sitting there. It is also custom to drop requests into the sea or rivers. Its called an areeza, see here: http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=shab+barat+areeza

The well is no different from virgin mary sightings etc (it was infact originally a site associated with a virgin mary miracle)

understate said:
Lets also remember that

Just because people drop requests down a well doesnt mean he is sitting there. It is also custom to drop requests into the sea or rivers. Its called an areeza, see here: http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=shab+barat+areeza

The well is no different from virgin mary sightings etc (it was infact originally a site associated with a virgin mary miracle)

Actually he is IN the WELL…A year ago when I was doing research on the Mahdi I saw a documentary about the Mahdi and they should people placing slips of papers down a green box that covered the well and they believed HE WAS IN THE WELL.

So I looked further and about a couple of months ago I saw a news report on Youtube and they were doing the same thing. In fact one boy brought a small flashlight so he could see the Mahdi sitting in the well, but he couldn’t because the kid thought he must be WAAAAAAY down there.

Like I wrote earlier,, I had seen Ahmehdinjad talk about the Mahdi…so I went and looked to see who he was a year ago.

Yes you watched a documentary, I AM A SHIA. I have people in my family who go to Jamkaran, and it is pretty much heresy to claim to know where the Mehdi is located. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Occultation

“You can’t have it both ways.”

SURE he can. . .he’s Glenn Beck. he can say it fifty ways simultaneously if he wants, because he doesn’t believe any of them. only spreading the fear.

as far as speculations on the location of the Mahdi, for close to sixty years everything i’ve read says ony that he is in ‘occultation’, as understate has noted.

if any of you are Christian, you should examine your own beliefs on what or who is located where. . .

* 2000 years of the Second Coming being predicted, sometimes precisely, over and over, and never occurring;

* the locating of Noah’s Ark on Mt Aarat, over and over, until it’s almost a ‘yearly’ discovery, if not monthly;

* the locating of the Ark of the Covenant in a small chapel, guarded, in Ethiopia, where it was taken for safekeeping by the Queen of Sheba;

* the locating of many ‘holy’ Christian sites in Jerusalem, revealed to Saint Helena, the mother of Constantine, in ‘visions’

. . .Bifrost, Mjolnir, Fenris Wolf, Hela, Jormungand and the Nine Worlds make as much sense. the Aesir were at least realistic.

Glenn Beck is not consistant in his logic because he is not being honest as to the reason why he believes what he does. He’s trying to rationalize his personal bias’s and prejudices.

Latin2 said:
uh…that is what the Shia’a Muslims believe…LOL

Shall we talk about what Mormons believe? Because among other things, they see the destruction of America as a providential certainty. Thus, Glenn’s well stocked bunker, and his end of the world rhetoric.

Latin2 said:
Did you read it? The 12th Imam, Imam Mahdi is in a WELL located in the city of Jamkaran, outside of Qom. The faithful drop notes down the well, which is covered, but has slits, so that he will make their prayers come true. So the Mahdi is sitting in a WELL waiting to return.

ON passover the Jews open a door to let Elijah into their homes. Do you think they believe that Elijah is standing there in their house?

Latin2 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamkaran “On Tuesday evenings especially large crowds of tens of thousands gather at Jamkaran to pray and to drop a note to the Imam in a well at the site, asking for help with some problem”

yes i’ve seen that. Nowhere does it say that the imam is actually in the well.

huntingtonboy said:
I don’t like Glen Beck at all, but I’m tuning in every day now because its like an acid trip from the 70’s.

Been there, done that, and you’re absolutely right. Beck is the hallucinogenic of choice for 21st Century rightists.

lazzzlo said:
Y’all ever see the movie “Elmer Gantry” with Burt Lancaster?

This is becoming more and more familiar.

Almost indistinguishable, except that Gantry was a bit more charistmatic and energetic.

Beck IS the anti-Christ.

tgk said:
Oh Jon- If the entire premise of your article is that Beck is inconsistent, why don’t you use a clip of him saying the inconsistent things? I just watched 5 minutes of him comparing the Anitichrist to the 12th Imam and nothing in it supports the premise of your article.

So now what? I guess I just have to take your word for it that in the monologue he said all the stuff you said he did. I am not calling you a liar, just wish all the pieces were here and fit together nicely. Of course it’s not an issue at all for the Beck haters, but for people that like to judge for themselves, it is a problem.

Beck is a con man – you are his shill; Beck has the intellect of a 4 year old – and he has you captivated. Bravo Beck, Bravo!

NORBIT Jr. said:
But the Christians haven’t been maiming and slaughtering tens-of-thousands of innocent men, women and children.
Why don’t you Google the carnage caused by both groups over the past 10 years, and show us how equating the two – as many Liberal Democrats do – is anything more than a bald-faced Lie!

Because Beck believes Google is in on the Islamic Radical Conspiracy of World Domination!! LOL. Did you miss that episode. Back to your terror bunker!!

NORBIT Jr. said:
But the Christians haven’t been maiming and slaughtering tens-of-thousands of innocent men, women and children.
Why don’t you Google the carnage caused by both groups over the past 10 years, and show us how equating the two – as many Liberal Democrats do – is anything more than a bald-faced Lie!

The Fear Chamber – sorry, the paranoia schemes are incredible with Beck. By the way, Christian Crusades hate killed and maimed millions, but like the Spanish Inquisition and many other religious atrocities, you don’t get that in Sunday school.

Ed Lascar said:
It was a quite clear exposition of issue, based on christian and islamic tradition and for being quite accurate Glenn Beck is the one to blame of insanity?

Believing it or not rhe results are quite shocking

Listening to intellectually challenged, Beck is like asking Sean Hannity to perform brain surgery on you. You wouldn’t do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkMqvy-D5hM

kvon said:
I lived in Utah for many years, and while there is an obsession with the apocalypse among them, he is worse than anything else out there on the subject.

For a group of people whom couldn’t find the Pacific Ocean and believe that same lost leader, Joe Smith was a prophet – I think the jury is still out on the level of intelligence from this sect.

Cancon2 said:
I love the shit he spews every night. Talk about them Glen, , every day, make Liberal heads explode.

Offensive?

CBS supporting a Truther, porn star banging, drug addicticed, crack smoking, alcoholic ,woman beater and placing him in family hour on TV is offensive.

This, not so much.

NeoCon Republican’ts being led by alcoholic and drub abusive talking heads like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are crowing about their intellect? Right – wrong again.

jim bronson 990cc said:
Praying for the end of days, Glenn. Why do you want everyone to die?

You always have to fear someone praying for the end of day – because they want to take you with them. Take your gun Glenn and go, by yourself, to meet your maker. Please.

NORBIT Jr. said:
It’s the false-equal ploy.

Christian crusaders have been long gone, and pose no threat; Islamic terrorists pose a clear and present danger. It’s no more complicated than that.

A perfect sheep. No sign of intelligent life whatsoever. Fully brainwashed, fully converted ignorance. The radical Christian Right pose no threat – except to intelligent life everywhere. Your statement is a threat, for you lack insight and analysis that lead like-minded empty heads into supporting crazy people like the RNC’s Boehner and Beck – the Weepers of the Apocalypse.

ganymede said:
The reason I occasionally make comments about Beck is to try to warn the sweet, trusting, naive people who watch Beck that he’s intentionally been allowed to become a Pied Piper by Murdoch and the forces that want to prevent any progressive movement in this country. While I can’t watch him for more than one commercial break – it’s much too painful -it’s clear that he does have a hypnotic effect. Most of what he has to say is absolute gibberish, but his effect is so powerful, that otherwise sensible people believe and go around parroting his confused ideas, if you can even call them ideas. I doubt that he’s an evil person, he’s more of a masterful opportunist. However, since he often does bring up the Anti-Christ, I think he is quite familiar with the ideology of the anti-Christ. He’s almost a comical stand-in for this forboding figure. Fortunately, he appears to be on burn-out and will probably not last another season.

You underestimate the level of stupidity on the right. It’s massive. I would like to say, I hope you’re right, but they’ve shown no signs of intelligence and want to be led into darkness. Every watch Pat Robertson on the 700 Club and CBN? Same thing. Con men taking money from weak and feeble trying to buy their way into heaven – it’s the oldest scam on earth – this game isn’t new, but since Reagan, they’ve tried to discredit knowledge and education for the indoctrination of “religion” as opposed to intellect. We have a generation of complete idiocy thanks to Reagan; Who in God’s green earth would vote for Bush Jr. Twice? The 700 Club sheep and Fox viewers. Propaganda, indoctrination (see Jesus Camp) and brainwashing – tenants of Nazis and the former Soviet Union have found a home in the GOP, where their base of closet and not so closeted KKK members have opened their Tent in hate and fear.

*Ever watch Pat Robertson.

Latin2 said:
I did this research some time ago when, like Beck, I heard the leader of Iran talk about it at the UN years ago. So why not know what is going on and act like the 12ers don’t exist?

Because Beck is a paranoid schizophrenic, with no real education, cherry picking historical details to create a false history on limited knowledge and complete irresponsible fear mongering among otherwise sane group of people via the American airwaves. A professional “Birther” if that makes better sense to you.

GlennBovineKoldys said:
I am really really really scared.

There is this guy down the block, with a pick up truck, gun rack, USA flag decal, and Ralph 21:12 bumper sticker. He goes to Wally World every Sunday and pays respect to the Gods who will protect us from the great New World Order Giggles Caliphate.

I am not sure, though. According to the Baboon, the Gods will just sit around and let you mini Baboons duke it out with the big bad moooselims. But the Baboon and his other prophet don’t explain what happens to the Gods after the fight is over.

As the prophet and comedian Chris Rock once said: “Do you really think God needs our help in killing people?”

No. Only paranoid and little minds could conceive such idiocy. (lol).

catfishjuggling said:
Not to put too fine a point on anything, but you guys do realize that Jesus is in the Koran, right? Just a prophet, sure, and not the messiah, but still Jesus. You know why you don’t see Muslims looking for the anti-Christ? It’s cause they like this Jesus fellow.

You know Glenn also thinks that the God story doesn’t end at Revelation too, right?

They only know what they’ve been awake for on Sundays – and that’s not much. Reading is one thing, understanding – totally new ballgame for these sheep. The Republicans would CRUCIFY Jesus if he came back.

Arizona Police Officer: “Hey you! Yeah, you, dark skin and beard. Where are your papers!?

Jesus: “Papers?”

Police Office: “Yeah, you know, you don’t look American.”

Jesus: “American? I’m Jesus, the Son of God…I”

Jan Brewer: “Lock him up in my nice new shiny prison!”

Jesus: “..but I’m Jesus…”

Jan Brewer: “Damn Mexicans! No papers, no entry! No free rides ‘hey-sus’ (Jesus – Hispanic pronunciation)”

Police Officer: “He looks liberal too!”

Jan Brewer: Damn Socialist!”

Jesus: “Really, I’m the…”

Police Officer: “What accent is that?”

Jan Brewer: “We speak AMERICAN in Arizona!”

Jesus: “Are these bonds (handcuffs) really necessary?”

Jan Brewer: “Shut him up already! Bleeding heart democrat! Coming into our country for our freedoms and jobs! We have enough minorities in our government subsidized fields!”

Jesus: “I come bringing good news! If you would only allow me…”

Jan: “Oh no you don’t! No foreign babies are going to be born in our parking lots just to be Americans!”

Jesus: “…but…”

Police Officer: “Alright back to Mexico where you came from – HAY-Sus!”

Latin2 said:
Duh…of course I know that Jesus is in the Qu’ran…BUT they believe that Christians and Jews books are corrupted by man and that they have to SPREAD Islam to correct this. To do this they have to FIGHT the Christians and destroy the Jews and kill the atheists UNLESS they bow down to Islam.

The book according to Beck.

Latin2 said:
Wow, I knew Liberals were stupid…but who knew they were this stupid about what is really going on?

This just in. God and Jesus have asked that the Republicans STOP representing them. You’re giving them a BAD NAME.

JazzyJim said:
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LOL

There’s an hour of your llfe wasted .

Latin2 said:
The Soviet Union used “USEFUL IDIOTS” or the Left as they called them, so Iran is doing the same. The first to go after many countries became Communist were the ‘USEFUL IDIOTS”. That is because they are brain dead.

Trust us, if the former Soviets had “useful” lefties – they would still be in business. Republicans are owned by Corporate Puppet Masters.

Why Beck doesn’t go into Murdoch and the Saudi Royal Family whom own a portion of Faux News – you know, Oil Muslims and Reagan his Arms for Hostages with the dreaded Iran and Iran/Contra scams and Ollie North – another Fox talking head and the Bush support of Hussein and Afghanistan and Bin Laden is beyond me. Maybe it’s because it doesn’t suit the Right-Wing agenda and Corporate Citizenship’s voice – it’s all about the OIL. You’re just “religulous” sheep to them, doing their biding.

George C said:
LOL

There’s an hour of your llfe wasted .

Good times.

Beck isn’t talking about the Anti-Christ; he’s pushing buttons and trying to get attention again. In other words, SOS; DD.
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2011/02/why-is-glenn-beck-freaking-out-over.html

Bear in mind that Beck once called Islam “a beautiful religion.” That, obviously, didn’t go over well with his reactionary, Christian audience; so Beck changed his tune. (That’s called HYPOCRISY!)

Now, some inconvenient facts about Joel Richardson, Beck’s End Times false prophet.

Author Joel Richardson has a long history of antagonism toward Islam, having written in his book The Islamic Antichrist that Islam will be the “primary vehicle” “used by Satan to fulfill the prophecies of the Bible.” He has also agreed with the Florida pastor who planned to burn Qurans that “Islam is of the devil” and written a column headlined “What Obama and the Antichrist have in common.”

Beck’s Media Empire Increasingly Promoting Richardson

Richardson Pens Articles For Beck Website, Appears In Beck-Produced Video. In addition to his scheduled appearance on the February 17 Glenn Beck — where, according to a WorldNetDaily report, he was to discuss “Islam’s Mahdi, the Antichrist, the Middle East and Bible prophecy” — Richardson has also benefited from promotion by other segments of Beck’s media empire:

In the past two weeks, Beck’s website The Blaze has published columns by Richardson on the “History of the Caliphate” [TheBlaze.com, 2/6/11] and “The Emerging Leftist-Islamist Revolutionary Alliance.” [TheBlaze.com, 2/8/11]
Richardson appears in Rumors of War, a video released January 24 about “the true threat level a nuclear Iran poses to the United States and the Israel.” It was produced by Beck’s company Mercury Radio Arts and is available only to Insider Extreme subscribers on Beck’s website.

Richardson Has Praised Beck’s Attacks On Social Justice. Richardson wrote in a post on his blog: “I am truly grateful to TV and radio host Glenn Beck for highlighting the Marxist foundations of the ‘social justice’ movement. There is a vast difference between ‘social justice’ and genuine Biblical justice. Christians that swallow this poison pill are quickly transformed into little socialists for Jesus.” [Joel's Trumpet, 7/8/10]

Richardson In 2009: “Beck Needs To Have Me On Sometime.” Richardson wrote in a 2009 blog post: “Beck needs to have me on sometime. He gets a lot of his info wrong. Ayatollah Khomeini never banned ‘Twelvers’, as he himself was one. He banned the Hojjatieh of which Ahmadinejad is arguably a member of and which Mesbah Yazdi below is as well.” [Joel's Trumpet, 10/1/09]

Richardson: Islam Is The “Vehicle” Of Satan

Richardson Posits That Muslim Mahdi Will Be The Antichrist. In his book The Islamic Antichrist [WND Books, 2009], Richardson “makes the case that the biblical Antichrist is one and the same as the Quran’s Muslim Mahdi.” [WorldNetDaily, 8/3/09]. He also claims that Islam is “the primary vehicle that will be used by Satan to fulfill the prophecies of the Bible about the future political/religious/military system of the Antichrist.” From The Islamic Antichrist:

So maybe you now agree that it is important to become informed regarding Islam, but you may wonder why it is important to understand Islamic eschatology specifically. That’s a good question. Please think through some of these points carefully: The Bible makes it clear that the Devil’s primary plan for the last days has been, for the past few thousand years, to raise up two men, the Antichrist and the False Prophet, as his primary instruments to deceive the inhabitants of the earth. How do you suppose that Satan has planned to include the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims in his grand end-time deception? Did Satan fail to foresee and strategize regarding the global spread of Islam? Or has Satan included the Muslims of the world in his end-time strategy? Will Islam, the world’s third monotheistic religion, also undergo the persecution of Satan along with Christians and Jews as they all resist the Antichrist together? Or will Islam — the religion that prides itself on resisting any form of idolatry — simply submit to a demonic and false religious leader without putting up any real fight? For years, I questioned the Lord about these issues. In time, as my knowledge of Islam deepened, the answers to my questions became very clear. This book is my attempt to share with you what I have learned. I understand that this may sound like a strong statement to make, but I believe that the information presented in this book will establish the fact that Islam is indeed the primary vehicle that will be used by Satan to fulfill the prophecies of the Bible about the future political/religious/military system of the Antichrist that will overwhelm the entire world just prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ. [The Islamic Antichrist, Pages 11-12 (italics in original)]

Richardson Agreed With Pastor Who Planned To Burn Qurans That “Islam Is Of The Devil”

Richardson: “One Cannot Be A Christian And Also Believe That Islam Is Not Evil.” Discussing Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who last year announced plans to hold a “Burn A Quran Day,” and then changed his mind in the face of widespread condemnation, Richardson wrote at WorldNetDaily:

I fully agree with Pastor Terry Jones regarding the title of his book, “Islam is of the Devil.” There’s no question about it. In fact, I would say that if one is a true Christian and genuinely informed regarding Islam, there is no other option. One cannot be a Christian and also believe that Islam is not evil.

According to the religion of Islam, when Jesus returns, He comes back to destroy every cross throughout the earth and abolish Christianity as a religion. In case this is new information, the actual Islamic tradition reads as follows:

The Prophet Muhammad said: Jesus will descend (to the earth) … He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah (poll-tax for non-Muslims). Allah will perish all religions except Islam.

- Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 37, Number 4310, Narrated by Abu Hurayrah: see also Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656

So unless you are the kind of Christian who thinks the destruction of crosses and the “perishing” of Christianity is a good thing, what else can you believe? Islam is of the devil. [WorldNetDaily, 9/11/10]

Richardson: “While Muslims Believe That Jesus Will Return As A Muslim To Destroy Christianity, I Believe That He Will Return As A Jew To Destroy Islam.” From the same WorldNetDaily column:

And as we all know, Islam derives the majority of its demonic ideas from a book called the Quran. So Pastor Jones is completely correct when he says that the Quran is an evil book.

Nevertheless, I also want to state that I am utterly opposed to the planned burning of Qurans.

Why?

The answer is because this job belongs to Jesus alone. While Muslims believe that Jesus will return as a Muslim to destroy Christianity, I believe that he will return as a Jew to destroy Islam. [WorldNetDaily, 9/11/10]

Richardson Later Conceded Many Muslims Reject “Imperialistic And Violent Form Of Islam.” In a later column, Richardson walked back his attacks:

While I stand by the theological accuracy of my comments, I will also admit that they were far from balanced. The remainder of the article essentially expressed my belief that when Jesus returns, He will cleanse the earth of all racially motivated hatred and anti-Semitism, and I believe that this will include the Quran. Christians, however, should not take it upon themselves to rid the world of Qurans by burning them. This would be about as effective as those dolts cleaning up the Gulf oil spill with paper towels and sponges (some of which were made from donated human hair!) even as the oil was still bursting forth from the ocean floor. Whether or not my words were at all part of the basis for Pastor Jones’ decision not to go forward, I have no idea. But I do nonetheless wish these few months later to issue a few qualifiers.

My reason for saying, “Islam is of the Devil” is because its teachings stand in direct conflict with my Christian faith and confession. But despite Islam’s many demonic characteristics, perhaps due to the various Jewish and Christian influences in its early formation, as well as the ever drawing power of the Holy Spirit in the hearts of mankind, Islam yet contains echoes and even some strong threads of righteousness that would be wrong to deny. While Christians may fundamentally disagree with many elements of Islamic doctrine and practice, we can applaud the Muslim commitment to such things as prayer, modesty and an unwillingness to compromise their own beliefs. If only a wider percentage of my Christian brethren were as committed to these things! Beyond this, despite the fact that many devout Muslims embrace an imperialistic and violent form of Islam, there are many other Muslims whose efforts to the contrary deserve our acknowledgment and respect. [WorldNetDaily, 2/4/11]

Richardson Column: “What Obama And The Antichrist Have In Common”

Richardson: “In No Way Do I Believe” Obama Is The Antichrist, But “Populist, Wealth-Distributing” Mahdi “Will Employ Precisely The Same Methods As Obama.” Richardson wrote a column for WorldNetDaily headlined “What Obama and the Antichrist have in common.” Despite writing that he wanted to “make it very clear that in no way do I believe that President Obama is the Antichrist,” Richardson did draw parallels between the two:

Most people who have never even read the Bible have heard about the one Christians most often refer to as the Antichrist. In brief, according to many prophecies throughout the Bible, the Antichrist will be a satanically empowered man who will emerge as a powerful world leader shortly before the return of Jesus Christ. He will first emerge as a man of peace with a populist message and a large and popular following. Eventually, however, in his quest to expand his power base, he will seek to revive a powerful Middle Eastern empire. But even after his military campaigns begin, he will continue to use wealth redistribution as a tool to maintain his followers.

Before I continue, I want to make it very clear that in no way do I believe that President Obama is the Antichrist. For now, he is my president, and despite my deep disagreement with many of his policies, as an American, I pray for his protection and covering and that God would guide both his actions and his decisions.

When I listen to the average Christian express his expectations regarding the coming of the Antichrist, I often feel as though I am listening to something out of a science fiction novel. But will the coming of the Antichrist really be so otherworldly? We have just watched as an entire nation rallied around a populist leader with an observable religious fervor. What we have just observed and are even now watching unfold is but a foreshadow. Another man is coming.

That reminds me of another very fascinating prophetic figure. This man, known as the Mahdi (or rightly guided one), is known little throughout the Western world, but is awaited with an increasing fervency by many of the world’s roughly 1.3 billion Muslims. The Mahdi is Islam’s primary messiah figure, emphasized more so by the Shi’a but also awaited by the Sunni. Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America declares that, “The coming of the Mahdi is established doctrine for both Sunni and Shi’a Muslims, and indeed for all humanity.”

Like the biblical Antichrist, the Islamic Mahdi is expected by Muslims to emerge on the world stage at the end of the age in order to revive a vast empire. Muslims believe that the Mahdi will cause Islam to conquer the whole earth, leading to the ultimate victory of Islam over other religions and over unbelief. The numerous parallels that exist between the Antichrist and the Mahdi are shocking, but for the purpose of this article I want to highlight the Islamic expectation regarding their populist wealth-distributing Mahdi.

[...]

We have just watched as a man lacking virtually any proper qualifications rose to become the most powerful man in the world, almost solely on his charisma and his shallow appeal to class envy. Today, throughout the Islamic world, the masses are yearning for and longing for a populist messiah figure known as the Mahdi who, according to their very own prophecies, will employ precisely the same methods as Obama. And as we have also learned, the Bible and the understanding of the early church also clearly warn that a man is soon coming who will also employ these very techniques in his to rise to power. Over half of the American people fell for it this time. When the soon coming imposter messiah arrives, will be any wiser? As the Apostle Paul warned, “Let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.” (1 Thessalonians 5:6) The days we live in demand no less. [WorldNetDaily, 8/5/09]

Richardson Presents Himself As A Prophet

Richardson: “Prophetess” Told My Wife She Will Marry Someone With “Significant Insight Into The End Times” And Who Will “Release New Prophetic Understanding.” From an interview on the program It’s Supernatural!:

SID ROTH (host): Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Joel Richardson, has such amazing insight into the end times. The prophet Daniel, in the 12th chapter, talks about the end times. Explain what he says.

RICHARDSON: Well, in the conclusion of this incredibly prophetic book, the prophet Daniel made clear — in fact, it was revealed to him by an angel — that all of the things revealed to Daniel, the primary message of this entire book, would literally be sealed up until the end times. And he makes this very clear, that when he’s speaking about the end times, he’s saying the time when the dead, those that sleep in the dust of the earth, are resurrected. This is talking about the end of the age, that at that time, the understanding of this book would be opened up to the church.

ROTH: And I can see how you’ve been hand-picked literally by God to give revelation of the end time. In fact, you were sitting among 7,000 people. Get this, he’s sitting among 7,000 people, and the man that is speaking has a word of knowledge, but he starts out by even saying Joel’s name. What did he say?

RICHARDSON: Well, let me just back up a teeny bit and make mention of something else. Just before my wife and I met, there was a prophetess that prayed over my wife and one of the things she said, was she said, “Your husband, you will marry someone that will have significant insight into the end times, and he’ll release new prophetic understanding concerning the end times to the church and to the world.” And so my wife and I are sitting in this meeting, 7,000 people, large civic center type of situation, in the very back. And before he spoke, he said, “I want to share a prophetic word in order to show that what I want to speak on is from the Lord.” He called us out by name, and then he spoke things to us that no man could know. Things that we had been praying about. Things that only we know, that only the Lord, only God could reveal to a man. And that gets your attention.

And then one of the things that he said, was he said that the Lord was gonna bring me into a season of divine revelation, which I knew intuitively was tied into this word about understanding the end times. And of course, I had no interest in the end times — I’m an incredibly unlikely candidate. My heart has always been to — I love sharing my Christian faith with Muslims, and I love reaching out to the poor, and I thought if I ever had a ministry, that that’s what it would be geared toward. But somehow the Lord has managed to bring together this love for Muslims, as well as this call to speak about the end times, and he’s joined those two together. [YouTube, accessed, 2/17/11]

Richardson Has Collaborated With Dubious Anti-Muslim Activist Walid Shoebat

Richardson, Shoebat Have Written Book Together. Richardson has written a book with Walid Shoebat, God’s War on Terror: Islam, Prophecy and the Bible [Top Executive Media, 2008]. Richardson has also co-edited a book, Why We Left Islam [WND Books, 2008], that includes an essay by Shoebat among the “shocking and brutally honest stories” in the book purporting to claim that “far from being a ‘religion of peace,’ Islam is both barbaric and repressive, a nightmare for both those living under it and those confronting it.”

Shoebat Has History Of Inflammatory Claims. Among the numerous inflammatory claims Shoebat has made include asserting that Obama is “definitely a Muslim” [The G. Gordon Liddy Show, 9/10/08], suggesting that “the devil” wanted to “appoint somebody connected to Islam in the White House,” [YouTube, accessed 2/17/11], and saying that Obama supports abortion “because there’s nothing better that Islamists want to do than have Americans kill their own children. So it’s not a problem for him” [YouTube, accessed 2/17/11]. Shoebat has also falsely claimed that Imam Feisal Rauf wrote of a “Judenrein” Israel. [WorldNetDaily, 9/3/10; Media Matters, 9/3/10]

Shoebat’s Self-Proclaimed Background As A Former Terrorist Has Been Disputed. The Jerusalem Post has highlighted inconsistencies in Shoebat’s claim that he was a terrorist and also raised questions about the charity he operates. [The Jerusalem Post, 3/30/08]

I’m just suspicious that Beck’s hate-mongering about Islam is getting more U.S. troops in Afghanistan killed.

THANKS GLENN BECK…YOU HYPOCRITICAL TRAITOR!

okami said:
“You can’t have it both ways.”

SURE he can. . .he’s Glenn Beck. he can say it fifty ways simultaneously if he wants, because he doesn’t believe any of them. only spreading the fear.

as far as speculations on the location of the Mahdi, for close to sixty years everything i’ve read says ony that he is in ‘occultation’, as understate has noted.

if any of you are Christian, you should examine your own beliefs on what or who is located where. . .

* 2000 years of the Second Coming being predicted, sometimes precisely, over and over, and never occurring;

* the locating of Noah’s Ark on Mt Aarat, over and over, until it’s almost a ‘yearly’ discovery, if not monthly;

* the locating of the Ark of the Covenant in a small chapel, guarded, in Ethiopia, where it was taken for safekeeping by the Queen of Sheba;

* the locating of many ‘holy’ Christian sites in Jerusalem, revealed to Saint Helena, the mother of Constantine, in ‘visions’

. . .Bifrost, Mjolnir, Fenris Wolf, Hela, Jormungand and the Nine Worlds make as much sense. the Aesir were at least realistic.

I saw Raiders of the Lost Arc. Does that count for anything?

GlennBeckReview said:
Beck isn’t talking

BWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back to the Terror Dome or Fear Dome or Coward Dome, whatever Beck is hiding out.

Bershad wrote, “It’s the same way I feel about someone with their finger on the button who fervently believes that any religion’s end of the world is a good thing.”

Jon, I’m guessing that you’re too young to remember President Reagan pondering out loud that he might be President during the End Times. I was listening to a talk by a former CIA agent the night that Reagan bombed Libya, and he described a discussion he had once with other agents when Reagan and Gaddafi were compared to see who was crazier sounding. After careful review of various things they had both said, it was determined that Reagan sounded just slightly more crazy than Gaddifi. Compared with the crazy nonsense Beck spews, Reagan and Gaddafi are both models of sanity. BTW, the incident that Reagan was retaliating for that night (bombing of a nightclub in Germany) ended up having nothing to do with Libya. Ooops, but no apology of course. Thank goodness Gorbachev came along and diffused the Cold War.

Glenn Beck has determined that “crazy” sells.

By the way, Beck’s “hate of boycotts” is new. The Right-Wing Religulous pull that stunt as offend as they can. Also, Beck’s smear campaign towards Google is to “keep his sheep” in the dark by “turning off” other sources of information. That’s how indoctrination and brainwashing works.

The Religulous Right Wing – “I hate the NYTimes; it’s liberal bias!” “MSM is liberal, I only listen to Fox!” MSNBC works for the White House!” “Katie Couric asked unfair ‘gotcha questions!’I hate her!” And all the other paranoid delusions that the Reich Wing can come up with. It’s just surprising how dumb a generation of American has become.

*Americans has become.

Focus. Not obsession.

writer said:
Focus. Not obsession.

semantics.

Sorry, but I’m anti-semantic.

JazzyJim says:
“Beck’s smear campaign towards Google is to “keep his sheep” in the dark by “turning off” other sources of information. That’s how indoctrination and brainwashing works.”

Not exactly; Beck’s attack on Google goes deeper than that.

Jim, if you want to really understand how Beck’s indoctrination works, check out how Glenn Beck performs his propaganda. It’s frightening!

Jim, I see that you’re doing a knock-down job countering the nonsensical comments posted here by Beck’s loyal and ignorant sheeple….I mean tools. Keep it up; Beck is keeping me extraordinarily busy these days countering his absurd fear-mongering and many, many false claims that seem to stem not from lying about what he knows but talking about what he doesn’t know. Spouting ignorant claims is Beck’s forte, and he’s excelling at it with the uprisings around the Middle East.

This post, just to be clear, has Beck discussing the Bible, something else that he’s a newcomer with. People need most to question boldly Glenn Beck’s claims.

lazzzlo said:
OxyCon, he is a buffoon.

That’s back from last night.

That is the “genius” of what he does.

He picks up salient points and makes everyone argue.

He is a caricature.

And it works. Not my style, but it does work.

I watched the movie “Network” last night.

Interesting solution.

When “Howard Beale” got out of control…he was killed.

That’s a story, but Glen Beck does use that somewhat as his random basis of points.

It’s a metaphor, but the controlling evil corporation that created you and funded you can also cancel you.

Network is a great movie.

While some Shi’a believe the return of the Mahdi is imminent, to state that Sh’ia actually believe that they can hasten his return is just sheer nonsense. Also the poster who also states that Shi’s actually believe the Imam Mahdi is in a well in Iran knows nothing about the doctrine of occultaltion. No Shi’a actually believes they have knowledge of his whereabouts. And finally, how does Beck suppose that a percentage of the 18% or so Shi’a population will take over the world and establish a global Caliphate opposed by the rest of the world’s Muslims, not to mention the non-Muslims, since Richardson offers us no clues.

“to state that Sh’ia actually believe that they can hasten his return is just sheer nonsense”
Not Shi’a in general, but “Twelvers.” This isn’t a Glenn-Beck-theory, either. It’s the 12ers’ established doctrine. Additionally, a global caliphate isn’t just the 12ers’ goal. It’s the stated goal of many radical Islamic groups with a lot of power and influence. You can rant about how it’s all just some “crazy conspiracy theory” or whatever else you like but all you’ll be doing is exposing your ignorance and how you let your preconceived notions about Beck close your mind – even more, that is.

Latin2 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamkaran

“On Tuesday evenings especially large crowds of tens of thousands gather at Jamkaran to pray and to drop a note to the Imam in a well at the site, asking for help with some problem”

The fact that this is getting thumbs-downed tells you all you need to know about the average level of intellectual honesty in this thread. You Beck-haters are bankrupt, morally and intellectually.

Do you even listen to the show before you type? You say “However, for Beck to start off with that very rational argument only to then make a complete about-face and start seriously talking about how this Imam might actually be the Antichrist,’ That would be a problem if it were true. Unfortunately, the message that he was giving and that you either did not hear or did not believe is that in order for them to have that amount of congruence with revelations, they had to be picking up on that at the start and modeling their beliefs on being the antichrist. And that says something about them that they are picking that side of the prophecy. Beck is not saying that this is the antichrist or that it is not. He is not saying that in 2012 we will have the apocolypse. What he IS saying is that anyone who picks his side as the one that is evil and destructive is, in and of themselves, EVIL.

Jeffrey Parker says:
“[Beck] is not saying that in 2012 we will have the apocolypse. What he IS saying is that anyone who picks his side as the one that is evil and destructive is, in and of themselves, EVIL.’

Of course he does. Beck is the perfect teacher.
Beck routinely demonizes his opponents
including the President. He’s not sick or stupid; he’s highly gifted and dangerous. He’s not dangerous because he’s going to shoot someone; he’s dangerous because he’s already inspired three, thwarted assassination attempt. When you compare the President to Lucifer, you’re nearly begging some religunut to assassinate the President.

Glenbeck review. I really love people that use ad hominem attacks and do not address what is said. I am not sure if you are just a fool or are willingly closing your eyes. Beck DIDN’T compare Obama to anyone let alone Lucifer. I will put this in small words for you. People who believe in the 12th Imam believe the teachings ascribed to him. People who wrote the teachings either got them from God or created them. If they got them from God and they match Revelations and you belive that either or both are true, then the followers of the 12th Imam are supporters of Satan. If you believe that they created them by themselves, then they used the Revelations for a model and chose for theirselves to be on the side of evil. No one (including Beck) has said that Obama is a 12ver. He has said that the President of Iran is since that person often ends his speaches with a prayer for the return of the 12th Imam. And the idea that Beck has inspired three assination attempts is a blatant lie. You cannot name even one case where this happened. And if you ever listen to him, he says that if you use violence for any political purpose YOU are evil and should never be supported. However YOU say he is dangerous to the President. I guess you are begging some libnut to assisinatie Beck. I guess I have to stay with the idea that you are simply a fool.

Glenn Beck is the personal front man for stupidity on a national scale in The United States of America. He is and always was a complete idiot. His personal form of patriotism is false and you’d have to be a brainless, half educated, red necked idiot to believe anything this fool says. But that pretty well describes the tea party and the GOP. This closet homosexual never went to college and never knew anything about World History, American History, World Religions or the US Constitution. He is simply a mocking bird for the twisted views of the John Birch Society and people need to wake up to the fact that Glenn Beck is just another uneducated charlatan who does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity. He is definitely not a conservative. In short, he is just another opinion pusher which is why he blends in so well with the bigots on Fox News Network. This self important racist climbed in bed with Satan a very long time ago as lies, half truths, fear and hate are his only products that he has for sale and he is making big money off of impressionable fools who love being told what to think. Glenn Beck is simply a product of mormon cult theology that he mixes with cherry picked parts of Catholicism, New Age Religions and his personal core as a washed up, dry alcoholic. This makes Glenn Beck one very screwed up moron who sold his soul to the lowest common denominator of personal stupidity. And for the record…the religion of Islam has far more in common with Christianity than the mormon cult. Beck consistently demonstrates all the unstable behaviors of a dry alcoholic which include grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance, impulsivity, ADD, indecisiveness and blindness to truth. In short, Beck, Limbaugh, O Reilly, Hannity, Palin, O Donnell, Coulter and others like them who think they are conservative are all guilty of perverting truth, history, facts, religion and the US Constitution when they open their big mouths. They are all idiots who live in and speak to some alternate universe of stupid red necks that feed off of fear & hate mongering and love being fed a steady dose of extreme right wing lies. It is a breath of fresh air to finally see studies proving that Fox news viewers really are the most gullible and misinformed people on the planet.

Thunderbird. You use too many words for your message. Let me condense it. “I don’t like what Beck says and hate people who disagree with me. Since I hate them, I will throw any insult I can think of at them whether true or not.” I think that says everything you said.

CanofSand said:
“to state that Sh’ia actually believe that they can hasten his return is just sheer nonsense”
Not Shi’a in general, but “Twelvers.” This isn’t a Glenn-Beck-theory, either. It’s the 12ers’ established doctrine. Additionally, a global caliphate isn’t just the 12ers’ goal. It’s the stated goal of many radical Islamic groups with a lot of power and influence. You can rant about how it’s all just some “crazy conspiracy theory” or whatever else you like but all you’ll be doing is exposing your ignorance and how you let your preconceived notions about Beck close your mind – even more, that is.

My ignorance? That’s hilarious! I’m Muslim and i am telling you that no Shi’a, not even the Twelvers believe that anything one can do can hasten the return of the Mahdi. You can pray for his return, but you cannot. i repeat cannot, actually expect that anything you do will hasten his return.

It IS Beck-theory if he is stating a falsehood about actual Twelver belief; a falsehood you have repeated. Are we ignoring the interview where Ahmedinejad explicitly denied that the Shi’a believe anyone can hasten the coming of the Mahdi?

Global caliphate the Twelver goal? Actually very few radical groups have the establishment of a Global Caliphate as their stated goal. Most have very nebulous ideas, politically and religiously speaking. Most simply want to end Western occupation of Muslim-majority nations and an end to despotic Muslim rulers. Doesn’t mean ends justify the means, but it is an explanation for their terrible acts.

But you are right most do believe that the Mahdi will rule the world, but calling it a Global Caliphate is a gross misrepresentation, an inaccuracy that reflects Western ideas about New World Order and One-World Government rather than Muslim eschatological religious belief.

Beck took “his” theory from – gasp – the Twelvers themselves who’ve said exactly as much! Muslim or not, YOU ARE IGNORANT. I’d have as much credibility claiming I know all of the Catholic dogmas by heart – no, better, not the standard Catholic teachings, but some terrorism-approving offshoot – just because I’m Christian.

This document is full of examples:
http://www.memri.org/publicdocs/doctrine_of_mahdism.pdf

In a 2006 speech marking the Mahdi’s birthday, Ayatollah Mesbah-e Yazdi emphasized the importance of fighting heresy, which, in his opinion, is delaying the coming of the Mahdi: “…Our noblest duty is to strive to reduce oppression, to be more [stringent] in our implementation of Islamic law… and to weaken the control of oppressive and tyrannical
regimes over the oppressed. These [actions] can [hasten] the return of the Hidden Imam… If we wish to expedite the Mahdi’s coming, we must remove any obstacles [delaying his return]. What are the obstacles delaying the appearance of the Mahdi? [The are] the [heretical] denial of the blessing [conferred] on society by the presence of the Imam, [as well as] ingratitude, insubordination, and objections [to the doctrine of Mahdism]. If we want to hasten the coming of the Mahdi, we must eliminate these obstacles. We must strive to instate greater justice, ensure a [more stringent] implementation of Islamic law, [bring] the people to take greater interest in the faith and its directives, [establish] the religious laws as the dominant [values] of society, [ensure] that religious faith be taken as a consensus at conferences, and limit the [control of the oppressors, i.e. of the Western powers] over the oppressed throughout the world – both Muslim and non-Muslim. [This is what we must do] in order to prepare the ground for the Mahdi’s coming. Thus, the greatest obligation of those awaiting the appearance of the Mahdi is fighting heresy and global arrogance.”22

And that’s one of the less harsh bits, since he only HINTS at the more fiery rhetoric seen elsewhere. But NO ONE believes you can hasten the Mahdi (Twelth Imam)’s return, right? Right?

Ignoramus.

muhammad abd al haqq said:
Actually very few radical groups have the establishment of a Global Caliphate as their stated goal.

Al Qaeda does. The Muslim Brotherhood does. Hamas (offshoot and friend of the Muslim Brotherhood) does. That’s not speculation. It’s their stated goal from their written charters, books, speeches, etc. How many other organizations do I need to name?

I have to admit that glenbeckreview was partly right. In the link he included, Beck did discuss the policies of the president and then stated that the prsident is following the Saul Alinski (not sure I spelled that last name right) book rules for radicals. Then he noted (completely accurately) that the book was dedicated to “The original revolutionary, Lucifer.” Now, I will admit that this can be seen as linking the President and Satan. Of course, Obama has said that he respects Saul and his works. He has quoted him. I know if a conservative said that he liked someone who was a clansman, that would be a problem. But….Nahhhhh.

CanofSand said:
Beck took “his” theory from – gasp – the Twelvers themselves who’ve said exactly as much! Muslim or not, YOU ARE IGNORANT. I’d have as much credibility claiming I know all of the Catholic dogmas by heart – no, better, not the standard Catholic teachings, but some terrorism-approving offshoot – just because I’m Christian.

This document is full of examples:
http://www.memri.org/publicdocs/doctrine_of_mahdism.pdf

In a 2006 speech marking the Mahdi’s birthday, Ayatollah Mesbah-e Yazdi emphasized the importance of fighting heresy, which, in his opinion, is delaying the coming of the Mahdi: “…Our noblest duty is to strive to reduce oppression, to be more [stringent] in our implementation of Islamic law… and to weaken the control of oppressive and tyrannical
regimes over the oppressed. These [actions] can [hasten] the return of the Hidden Imam… If we wish to expedite the Mahdi’s coming, we must remove any obstacles [delaying his return]. What are the obstacles delaying the appearance of the Mahdi? [The are] the [heretical] denial of the blessing [conferred] on society by the presence of the Imam, [as well as] ingratitude, insubordination, and objections [to the doctrine of Mahdism]. If we want to hasten the coming of the Mahdi, we must eliminate these obstacles. We must strive to instate greater justice, ensure a [more stringent] implementation of Islamic law, [bring] the people to take greater interest in the faith and its directives, [establish] the religious laws as the dominant [values] of society, [ensure] that religious faith be taken as a consensus at conferences, and limit the [control of the oppressors, i.e. of the Western powers] over the oppressed throughout the world – both Muslim and non-Muslim. [This is what we must do] in order to prepare the ground for the Mahdi’s coming. Thus, the greatest obligation of those awaiting the appearance of the Mahdi is fighting heresy and global arrogance.”22

And that’s one of the less harsh bits, since he only HINTS at the more fiery rhetoric seen elsewhere. But NO ONE believes you can hasten the Mahdi (Twelth Imam)’s return, right? Right?

Ignoramus.

Al Qaeda does. The Muslim Brotherhood does. Hamas (offshoot and friend of the Muslim Brotherhood) does. That’s not speculation. It’s their stated goal from their written charters, books, speeches, etc. How many other organizations do I need to name?

LOL. Resorting to name-calling and ad hominem?

Memri, the same group that consistently mistranslates Arabic and Farsi documentation in order to present an incorrect picture of Muslims and Islam.? Using them as a source is akin to using Wikipedia and Google Scholar. The fact that it is indeed Beck theory is evidenced by his twisting of facts to formulate an interpretation. Before we get to why he is wrong and prove that this is in fact nothing less than more of his fear-mongering , let’s deal with the idea that just being Muslim means i know what i’m talking about.

First off, belief in the Mahdi, whether one is Sunni or Sh’ia, Tewlver or not, is a central doctrine. To be Muslim and unaware of it, and the doctrines associated with it, is ridiculous. Go on any Shi’a forum and see if Beck is mirepresenting their beliefs or not. The problem is not whether some Twelvers or “terrorism-approving” offshoot believe in hastening the return of the Mahdi. The problem lies in presenting the beliefs of fringe groups and individuals as mainstream or normative. That’s deception.

If you are suggesting that Catholics are ignorant of some of their central doctrines, so be it, but don’t project this state of affairs onto Muslims. As a Muslim, one can ascertain when someone is misrepresenting our beliefs, Muslim or non-Muslim.

Again, it is not part of Shi’a belief that the return of the Mahdi can be hastened.

Let’s look at Beck’s claims.

1. Most Iranians are not Twelver Shi’a, but Ahmadinejad is)- This is false, most Iranians are Twelvers.
2 Twelvers were banned by the (Twelver) Ayatollah Khomeini.- complete and utter fabrication.
3. Some Muslims are trying to bring about the coming of the Antichrist- complete bunk
4. Imam Mahdi is or bears striking similarity to the Antichrist in Christian eschatology- only if one takes an extremely selective approach to reading the literature on the subject and twists it to fit foregone conclusions.

What are the facts?

“……A millenarian cult emerged in the Shi’a holy city of Qom in the 1950s. This group, the Hojjatieh Society, believes that the End of Days must be brought about through the actions of the cult’s followers. As Shi’a believe that the return of the Hidden Imam will be preceded by extreme human misery – and the return of the Twelve Imam out of Occlusion is the key to the eschatology of Shi’a Islam, his reappearance unlocks the course of events that leads to the Day of Judgement – just so, the Hojjatieh Society has used any and all situations and contexts to encourage exactly the human suffering they believe will bring on the return of the Awaited One, the Hidden Imam. As a result, the Hojjatieh Society worked *with* the Shah’s secret police (SAVAK) against the rising revolutionary tide – and subsequently sought to maintain the chaos of the early days of the revolution: all to maximise human suffering, the key -as they saw it – to the return of the Hidden Imam, and thus unlock the door to the Day of Judgement. As a result of their addiction to chaos, social disorder and general mayhem, Ayatollah Khomeini banned the Hojjatieh Society soon after his assumption of power. However, they continued to infiltrate every pore of the revolutionary regime – and were unbanned soon after Khomeini’s death. What has this to do with Beck? Well, Ahmadinejad’s spiritual mentor is an extremely powerful, utterly barking mad and very dangerous cleric called Yazid – who happens to be, allegedly, the supreme leader of… you guessed it: the Hojjateih Society.”

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/02/glenn-beck-off-the-rails-and-into-the-abyss-with-joel-richardson-and-zuhdi-jasser/#comment-58901

http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3313

So we see, the belief that one can hasten the return or appearance of the Mahdi is not mainstream Imami Shi’a belief. And even with his mentor being a member of the aforementioned fringe, millenarian cult, Ahmedinejad has publicly denied that it is Shi’a belief that one can hasten the return of the Mahdi. Maybe he is just lying?

So presenting it as such is deception. You are right that i exaggerated by stating that NO Shi’as believe as such. i should have stated that it is not mainstream Shi’a belief and Beck’s suggesting it is is deception. Perhaps if Beck said something to the effect that ” A fringe group of Imami Shi’a believe that they can hasten the return of the Mahdi, and this group has considerable influence in the Iranian government” and backed this statement up by referring to Ahmedinejad’s link to a member of this cult, i could find agreement with him.

“Al Qaeda does. The Muslim Brotherhood does. Hamas (offshoot and friend of the Muslim Brotherhood) does. That’s not speculation. It’s their stated goal from their written charters, books, speeches, etc. How many other organizations do I need to name?”

When Muslims use the word “caliphate” and those who hate Islam, misunderstand Islam, or are themselves Extremist Muslims, use the same word they mean different things. The term Islamist refers to all groups that have a belief that Islam should be the guiding principle/ideology in politics or government. Islamists, like Muslims are not a monolithic group, and lumping all Islamists into the category of “radical Islamic groups” belies a misunderstanding of how to properly use the term. Islamist can be moderates, liberals, democratic, monarchial, theocratic, violent, extremist, militant, peaceful or modernists, etc..

For most Muslims the term “caliphate” refers to Muslim unity, especially political unity. It’s establishment is regarded as a religious duty. Modern Islamist groups have piggybacked this term, since it offers Islamic legitimacy to their stated goals. For some it is a way of asserting Muslim self-determination that can be established through temporal unity.

For others “caliphate” refers to global domination, politically and religiously, by Muslims, Islam, and Shari’ah law. Presumably this will be achieved by violent means. This is the bogeyman i was referring to. So when i state that very few radical groups have this idea as one of their stated goals, i was merely referring to the fact that only a few of the groups that espouse a certain view of the “global caliphate”( the negative, Extremist one) actually have it’s establishment as one of their goals, stated or otherwise.

There are countless Islamist groups, very few of them radical, even though many Westerners will regard all of these groups as “radical”. And of these countless groups only a few actually believe in the establishment of “global caliphate”, in it’s extremist interpretation. In other words, the extremist conception of “caliphate” is not one espoused by most groups that would otherwise be viewed as “radical” anyway by their detractors.

I am curious to see you continue to name other groups, so that my hunch will be proven correct or incorrect. Is Hizb ut Tahrir on that list? You do realize that Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Al-Qaida have different ideas of the caliphate? Can you see why it would be misleading or even disingenuous or downright deceptive to lump them all in the same category?

It is very telling that you list Al-Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Hamas as evidence that “radical Islamic groups” with the “establishment of the global caliphate” as one of their stated goals are common. Each of these organizations has a different conception of the caliphate and very different goals, stated or otherwise. Lumping them into one category is just an us-versus-them strategy. It is very simplistic. How long will people like Beck(and maybe you?) continue to legitimize Extremist interpretations among Muslims as normative, Mainstream Islam?

“Resorting to name-calling and ad hominem?”

Do you know what ad hominem even IS? I didn’t say I’m right because you’re ignorant or stupid or whatever. I provided COMPLETE AND TOTAL PROOF (generally, only agenda-driven Leftists deny MEMRI’s translations, while nonpartisan 3rd parties back them up in those disputes) of the point I was making, taken from the mouths of the scumbag themselves – and thus proved you are ignorant. That’s not ad hominem. That’s stating the facts. And WHAT exactly do you use to counter this? Once you boil it down… NOTHING. You rant on and on, citing nothing relevant at all. The only valid point you might have (and I say “might” because you don’t use it in a fair way, mischaracterizing things even as you skirt along the edges of truth) is that Beck uses the term “Twelver” to describe to a specific subset of people who believe in the story of the Twelfth Imam while others use the term to refer to all Muslims who believe in the 12th Imam. Beck NEVER SAID that only the crazy people believe in the 12th Imam. Quite the opposite. He’s been quite clear about that. But when he attacks the “Twelvers,” he’s targeting cultists like the Pres. of Iran.

In other words, your only remotely reasonable quibble with Beck is over the term he uses, not the facts behind it – YET YOU FRAME IT as if he was just totally and utterly wrong about the facts. In still other words, you are intellectually dishonest. In reading your previous comments, it is legitimate to question whether you just learned about the cult yourself as you did research with the specific intent to flame Beck, and now you’re just clinging to your preconceived notions about how eeeevil Beck is despite finding so you are arguing semantics instead of facts in order to stubbornly hold onto your perverted world view. (Whether that’s the case or not, you *are* being intellectually dishonest.)

THEN you hand-wave away the caliphate goal by saying they don’t all agree on what the caliphate is. SO?? It’s still their goal, and it’s NOT a moderate, peaceful vision of the caliphate. Do you seriously think Al Qaeda and Hamas et al have “moderate” and peaceful goals here? If you believe that, you’re not just ignorant – you may be nuts (or a sympathizer, but we won’t jump to that conclusion so quickly).

really? what Christians are those Waderi4?  Jesus said to preach to the world the gospel.  So if you mean witnessing to you what Jesus did for you in dying for you… how is that starting Armegeddon?