IMDB
Documentary about a) the origin of christian faith b) how american banks have seized worldpower at the beginning of the 20th century c) how these 2 items are related to the wars fought in the 20th and 21st century.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1166827/

Republican jumping ship in Arizona after the events of Saturday!! http://bit.ly/hEiJnB

Doesn’t really sound like he’d be a Palin supporter based on his favorite movie, now does it? In fact, I’ll bet him and George Soros would get along great!

Osler continued, “he didn’t listen to political radio, he didn’t take sides, he wasn’t on the left, he wasn’t on the right.” Instead, Banfield reports that Osler pointed to a web-based documentary called Zeitgeist, that focused on currency based economics that “poured gasoline on his fire” as Banfield reports. “The Zeitgeist documentary had a profound impact on Jared Loughner’s mindset” Osler claimed.

Yep, 100% teabagger.

Let the next round of speculation and finger pointing begin.

“He did not watch TV, he disliked the news”

“he didn’t listen to political radio, he didn’t take sides, he wasn’t on the left, he wasn’t on the right.”

nuff’ said.

AntiChristian 9/11 truther?

Yeah, he’s TOTALLY in Sarah Palin’s demographic…*rolls eyes*

Clinton: Loughner acted politically

Jared Loughner is an extremist because he carried out the Arizona shootings while acting on his “political views,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Wednesday.

“Based on what I know, this is a criminal defendant who was in some ways motivated by his own political views, who had a particular animus toward the congresswoman,” Clinton said in an interview with CNN. “And I think when you cross the line from expressing opinions that are of conflicting differences in our political environment into taking action that’s violent action, that’s a hallmark of extremism, whether it comes from the right, the left, from Al Qaeda, from anarchists, whoever it is. That is a form of extremism.”

Clinton added, “So, yes, I think that when you’re a criminal who is in some way pursuing criminal activity connected to – however bizarre and poorly thought through – your political views, that’s a form of extremism.”

In another interview, with the BBC, in which she was asked about connections between the shooting and the assassination of a Pakistani governor, Clinton said she feels as if extremism is on the rise around the world.

“From a historical perspective, there is a long history in not only my country, but the world, of extreme violent actions occurring,” she said. “But that doesn’t make it any more acceptable because it’s got a historic precedent.”

Now all the Leftists/Progressives can take a hot branding iron and poke themselves in the eye.

He may not have watched Fox News, but I bet he’d heard of it. That’s close enough for me.

On a totally unrelated note, whenever I see the name Dorky Mcforky, it makes me laugh out loud! Thanks Dorky! Talking to libs is like banging your head against a wall so the distraction is great!

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Clinton: Loughner acted politically Jared Loughner is an extremist because he carried out the Arizona shootings while acting on his “political views,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Wednesday. “Based on what I know, this is a criminal defendant who was in some ways motivated by his own political views, who had a particular animus toward the congresswoman,” Clinton said in an interview with CNN. “And I think when you cross the line from expressing opinions that are of conflicting differences in our political environment into taking action that’s violent action, that’s a hallmark of extremism, whether it comes from the right, the left, from Al Qaeda, from anarchists, whoever it is. That is a form of extremism.” Clinton added, “So, yes, I think that when you’re a criminal who is in some way pursuing criminal activity connected to – however bizarre and poorly thought through – your political views, that’s a form of extremism.” In another interview, with the BBC, in which she was asked about connections between the shooting and the assassination of a Pakistani governor, Clinton said she feels as if extremism is on the rise around the world. “From a historical perspective, there is a long history in not only my country, but the world, of extreme violent actions occurring,” she said. “But that doesn’t make it any more acceptable because it’s got a historic precedent.”

Hey, Hillary, not all attacks on politicians are political. This guy was a nut case and has been for many years.
Stick to your job.

Yep, Sarah’s map is ALLLLL OVER THIS !!!

writer said:
He may not have watched Fox News, but I bet he’d heard of it. That’s close enough for me.

How long have you been so stupid?

How long have you been so stupid?

Geez! If I’d known there was going to be a test, I’d have studied.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
On a totally unrelated note, whenever I see the name Dorky Mcforky, it makes me laugh out loud! Thanks Dorky! Talking to libs is like banging your head against a wall so the distraction is great!

I actually got a personal email from Mediaite’s Colby Hall saying that he thinks I have the best username ever.

LOL!

Loughner once saw a picture of a fox.

Close enough.

writer said:
He may not have watched Fox News, but I bet he’d heard of it. That’s close enough for me.

is that you sheriff dupnik?!

Jared heard voices… voices of Rush, Sarah, Bill, and Beck. Two years ago? A man can change in two years. That’s around the time the conservative heated rhetoric began.

They must have cut out the portion of the interview that describes the shooter’s connection to Sarah Palin. Fortunately the rest of the mainstream media has covered that connection quite extensively.

I actually got a personal email from Mediaite’s Colby Hall saying that he thinks I have the best username ever.

LOL!

Ah man, I’d give anything for Colby to like me, but sadly he doesn’t. Oh well, can’t win em all!

Dave Richards said:
How long have you been so stupid?

Sarcasm Dave ..I know it’s hard to pick it up around here with the likes of some of these batshit liberals , who would make that comment with a straight face but Writer is not one of them.

This just keeps getting worse for the liberals that jumped the gun on this. They could have scored major political points if they had just kept their cool and gotten their talking point down and not overreached. Not they just look like opportunistic sharks.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Jared heard voices… voices of Rush, Sarah, Bill, and Beck. Two years ago? A man can change in two years. That’s around the time the conservative heated rhetoric began.

NO!,, that’s when American government went to $hit!
We are on our way to rectify that F’ Up this year tho!

He called himself a political terrorist.

He attempted to assassinate his political enemy.

She is a Democrat.

Nuff said.

is that you sheriff dupnik?!

I agree with the sheriff. Every mass murder can be linked to Sarah Palin. I am currently researching ties between her and Jack the Ripper. Palin wasn’t born yet, so it’s going to be tough.

Dave Richards said:
How long have you been so stupid?

How long have you been unable to recognize satire?

Writer is a sharp cookie and has a delightful sense of humor.

Zeitgeist is a thought provoking movie, I recommend it. I also I rarely watch the news or read my news online.

Loughner is a killer because he had mental problems. Not because he was a loner. Not because he watched that online film. Not because he did not watch the news.

He is a killer and it’s not anyone’s fault but his own. Let’s move on, shall we?

What is the good Sheriff hiding?

(Arizona Republic)- Sheriff’s Department and community-college officials in Pima County are refusing to release a wide range of public documents about the man charged in Saturday’s shooting rampage that left six dead and more than a dozen wounded.

The Arizona Public Records Law requires that records be “open to inspection by any person at all times” unless officials can prove releasing the information would violate rights of privacy or confidentiality or otherwise harm the best interests of the state.

…On Monday, The Republic requested copies of any reports from the Pima County Sheriff’s Department involving contacts with Loughner or calls to his house. Pima County Deputy Rene Carlson said her office would not release the reports without a specific date, though this is not required by state statute.

Carlson said providing these documents would be tantamount to releasing criminal history.

Carlson said she could not speculate on the nature of any calls for service regarding Loughner. She also said no calls or incidents involved threats made by Loughner.

possibly said:
He called himself a political terrorist. He attempted to assassinate his political enemy. She is a Democrat. Nuff said.

She was a Blue Dog Democrat…he was an antichristian 9/11 truther. How do you know he wasn’t influenced by Michael Moore and Bill Maher?

*cues spooky music*

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Jared heard voices… voices of Rush, Sarah, Bill, and Beck. Two years ago? A man can change in two years. That’s around the time the conservative heated rhetoric began.

You seem live in denial and have no knowledge of even recent history. Monica Lewinsky? The 2000 Election?

Thank you, Grammie. But my plane is here, and I’m flying from Pensacola to Paris. I figure it’ll take about fifteen minutes.

“He did not watch TV, he disliked the news” Osler averred, shortly after becoming quite emotional when faced with the unsettling mug shot of his former friend.

Osler continued, “he didn’t listen to political radio, he didn’t take sides, he wasn’t on the left, he wasn’t on the right.

If you play it all backwards it says it’s GEORGE BUSH’s FAULT and CONSERVATIVES ARE TO BLAME.

If I may, Michelle-in-Utah, Mutt: You have become crazed, paranoiac lunatics over all of this. I have never seen such emotional and mental wear and tear on any other human beings in such a short time. Have a nice day.

I’m hoping writer is doubling as possibly.

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) said in a speech at the left-leaning policy think tank Center for American Progress that working in a bipartisan manner on infrastructure and clean energy could help overcome the “divisive political rhetoric” in the wake of the Tucson tragedy.

Wow John, way to try to use this for your own political gain, scumbag!

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
On a totally unrelated note, whenever I see the name Dorky Mcforky, it makes me laugh out loud! Thanks Dorky! Talking to libs is like banging your head against a wall so the distraction is great!

Dittos.

Writer, you are one of my faves here.

You have such a droll style and dry wit without venom dripping all over!

Kird said:
You seem live in denial and have no knowledge of even recent history. Monica Lewinsky? The 2000 Election?

???

The Real Royal King said:
If I may, Michelle-in-Utah, Mutt: You have become crazed, paranoiac lunatics over all of this. I have never seen such emotional and mental wear and tear on any other human beings in such a short time. Have a nice day.

Robert-in-Austin after that YouTube video that circulated around the blogs of you , ” lunatic ” should never be cast at anyone else. Thanks

Bring it Royal Pain in the Butt!! i just got back from Walmart where I stocked up on Excedrin Migraine!

Paris is lovely. I’m currently dining at Restaurant Du Palais-Royal. I’ll keep you posted.

Its amazing how certain partisans refuse to believe in the concept of personal responsibility. Instead of blaming the murderer they want to blame everything else. I guess if others aren’t responsible for their own actions then libs aren’t either.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
???

I believe it is to point out that heated rhetoric didn’t just start 2 years ago.

Of course, he could have referenced Bush?Cheney – Liar in Chief – War criminals – Fascists and pick any Countdown episode but that doesn’t fit his narrative..

writer said:
Paris is lovely. I’m currently dining at Restaurant Du Palais-Royal. I’ll keep you posted.

….. tic toc tic toc

Alright you back in the states now ?

murf said:
Robert-in-Austin after that YouTube video that circulated around the blogs of you , ” lunatic ” should never be cast at anyone else. Thanks

I must have missed that memo, link?

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
???

Harsh rhetoric in politics did not begin in 2008. The Monica/2000 election era oozed with nastiness.

Alright you back in the states now ?

Don’t be sarcastic. It’ll take at least another five minutes.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Bring it Royal Pain in the Butt!! i just got back from Walmart where I stocked up on Excedrin Migraine!

Geez, 2012, could he be that greasy, pimply faced creep you told me about years ago that you used the “wash your hair” excuse about a hundred times?

No comment Grammie!

“Paris is lovely. I’m currently dining at Restaurant Du Palais-Royal. I’ll keep you posted.”

I believe I have a table just off to the right to you. Hello there.

I’m off to see the Queen later today. Perhaps we can share a bottle of Chardonnay before I have to leave?

You’ll have to forgive my limp. An old polo injury is acting up.

Grammie said:
I believe it is to point out that heated rhetoric didn’t just start 2 years ago.

Of course, he could have referenced Bush?Cheney – Liar in Chief – War criminals – Fascists and pick any Countdown episode but that doesn’t fit his narrative..

The inverse is true; I didn’t feel what you cited would fit with IJTDG’s narrative of what is harsh rhetoric.

The Donger said:
Let the next round of speculation and finger pointing begin.

Yes, the liberals will adapt and try to work another angle to get at Palin, Republicans, etc. – anything but focus on the real and important issues.

More Liberty3 said:
Its amazing how certain partisans refuse to believe in the concept of personal responsibility. Instead of blaming the murderer they want to blame everything else. I guess if others aren’t responsible for their own actions then libs aren’t either.

It’s the liberal way.

Perhaps one of you lib Obama lovers can explain something to me. Obama called the cops in Cambridge stupid and accused them of rushing to judgement, yet he personally called the good Sheriff and thanked him for his great work. It’s pretty sad the the POTUS personally thanked someone for accusing political opponents of being accessories to murder. Shameful indeed.

Apparently loughner was into the “soverign citizen” movement: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/sovereign-citizens-jared-lee-loughner

Kird said:
The inverse is true; I didn’t feel what you cited would fit with IJTDG’s narrative of what is harsh rhetoric.

Quite right, Kird. My analytical skills just dozed off for a moment. :)

EVERY bucket of slime thrown by the lamestream socialist fake-news media over this event has now been shown to be nothing more than a despicable and desperate attempt to RAHM the incident and not let a crisis go to waste and instead use it to promote their lunatic-left extremism.

Kird : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEg_qLi0vaU&feature=youtube_gdata

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Perhaps one of you lib Obama lovers can explain something to me. Obama called the cops in Cambridge stupid and accused them of rushing to judgement, yet he personally called the good Sheriff and thanked him for his great work. It’s pretty sad the the POTUS personally thanked someone for accusing political opponents of being accessories to murder. Shameful indeed.

Great analysis, 2012, an original and fresh take on a subject that has been explored to its depths.

writer said:
is that you sheriff dupnik?! I agree with the sheriff. Every mass murder can be linked to Sarah Palin. I am currently researching ties between her and Jack the Ripper. Palin wasn’t born yet, so it’s going to be tough.

Awww c’mon man…..you just aren’t trying cuz you are some rightwinger beckerhead…….lemme hep ya…..

Jack the Ripper killed people. Sarah Palin once ate Jack Cheese.

’nuff said.

One more time for the guilt ridden right, no one is saying that Palin is responsible for the shooting and if anyone on the left did, they’re wrong. I do think it’s very telling that when anyone mentions the tone of political discourse it’s the right that is so defensive.

Blue Texan may have some insight into this:

“Hmmm. Well, I don’t remember Democratic members of Congress comparing George W. Bush, H.W. Bush or Ronald Reagan to Adolf Hitler. I don’t remember Gore-Lieberman supporters screaming “KILL HIM!” and “TERRORIST!” when George W. Bush’s name was mentioned at official campaign events. I don’t recall Democratic Senators suggesting a Republican president wasn’t an American citizen. I don’t remember Democratic governors during the Bush or Reagan presidencies calling for secession or suggesting that the Republicans were going to brainswash America’s children or kill their grandmothers”

Perhaps David Dayen sums it up best though:

“I noticed Sharron Angle came out on the same day to defend her “Second Amendment remedies” statement. These two, Angle and Palin, are fighting phantoms. Nobody blames them directly for whispering in Jared Loughner’s ear. The violent rhetoric stands on its own as subject to criticism. What conservatives who protest too much want is to immunize themselves from any criticism whatsoever, and shut down anyone who calls for a reduction in the tone of debate, even if they call out both sides. Rage worked in the last cycle, and at some level conservatives don’t want that arrow taken from their quiver.”

Indeed. Governing is going to be tough for a party that’s steeped in anti government rhetoric but, offers little more than tax cuts as a panacea.

More Liberty3 said:
Its amazing how certain partisans refuse to believe in the concept of personal responsibility. Instead of blaming the murderer they want to blame everything else. I guess if others aren’t responsible for their own actions then libs aren’t either.

It saddens and surprises me to read that from you. You are not of the vacuous, superficial sort like Michelle-in-Utah, Mutt, Kumquat and Janet Hawkins. No one. NO ONE. N O O N E. No one has suggested anything of the sort. That the Nincompoop Quartet might infer something so ridiculous is not Earth shattering news. But, that you do! Moments such as the Tucson events provide us with teaching events. The brutal coarseness of the shooting calls for introspection of the brutal coarseness all about us. We would have lost even more if we didn’t examine the ugliness and harm served up daily by the likes of Beckerhead, Bill-o, Lard Limbaugh, O’Hannity, O’Kelly, O’Van Karlsen, KOS, Olbermann, Palin, Schultz and their sorry lot and at least ask ourselves what damage they are causing to our Republic, to our culture by their self-serving pornography (I find it little else.). But, the shooting and the irresponsible, malicious “journalism” are paired only in tone, tenor and a general quality of bitterness, hatred and vitriol. As to culpability, they are separate and apart. As amusing as I find the shrill, hyperbolic preemptive defenses of against charges never leveled, I am every bit as pleased that we, at least some of us, have taken the opportunity have a tragedy to attempt to learn and to grow. Not all epiphanies are sudden, miraculous events. To say that people are looking to deflect the culpability, however, is simply erroneous.

Blah, Blah, Blah, quiet BOX OF ROX! Go take your PDS meds.

Grammie, can you tell us again how the royal pain in the butt was kicked off Olberwatch due to his 10,000 insulting posts? I love that story!!

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
What is the good Sheriff hiding? (Arizona Republic)- Sheriff’s Department and community-college officials in Pima County are refusing to release a wide range of public documents about the man charged in Saturday’s shooting rampage that left six dead and more than a dozen wounded. The Arizona Public Records Law requires that records be “open to inspection by any person at all times” unless officials can prove releasing the information would violate rights of privacy or confidentiality or otherwise harm the best interests of the state. …On Monday, The Republic requested copies of any reports from the Pima County Sheriff’s Department involving contacts with Loughner or calls to his house. Pima County Deputy Rene Carlson said her office would not release the reports without a specific date, though this is not required by state statute. Carlson said providing these documents would be tantamount to releasing criminal history. Carlson said she could not speculate on the nature of any calls for service regarding Loughner. She also said no calls or incidents involved threats made by Loughner.

Yeah he wouldn’t be hiding that report detailing one of his teachers calling 911 in repsonse to his behavior?

Or when the folks called the cops on him for peeping in their windows? BTW, these people had just purchased the house from a lady who had complained to campus officials about him.

Or the 5 (on record) incidents involving the colleges PD?

ANY of which should have landed him the psych eval that would have precluded him from purchasing the gun he used. Maybe even have lead to his incarceration or commitment……..either of which would have stopped the violence from Saturday from ever happening.

Let’s be sure and not talk about any of that.

writer said:
He may not have watched Fox News, but I bet he’d heard of it. That’s close enough for me.

LMAO, that was so funny yet so true of the left.
They will dig up something like his uncles cousin sister once said to a school mate that Bristol Palin was a pretty good dancer…
Then the idiots in the media like will somehow link him to Palin and the tea party and somehow say everyone is racist all in one sentence..

The Left, Not the Right, Owns Political Violence.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/the_left_not_the_right_owns_po.html

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Jared heard voices… voices of Rush, Sarah, Bill, and Beck. Two years ago? A man can change in two years. That’s around the time the conservative heated rhetoric began.

You moron. The new piece of best evidence we have is specifica and says the opposite of what you say. People like you should be ignored and not rounded up.

And then later imprisoned when you resort to simpler ways of stealing.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Grammie, can you tell us again how the royal pain in the butt was kicked off Olberwatch due to his 10,000 insulting posts? I love that story!!

I don’t have a lot of time now so let me just say that his last comment is quite reminiscent of his Kurt Kissel and Matt Schultz faces, with a little bit from both but the same run on no single way too long paragraph.

The Real Royal King said:
It saddens and surprises me to read that from you. You are not of the vacuous, superficial sort like Michelle-in-Utah, Mutt, Kumquat and Janet Hawkins. No one. NO ONE. N O O N E. No one has suggested anything of the sort. That the Nincompoop Quartet might infer something so ridiculous is not Earth shattering news. But, that you do! Moments such as the Tucson events provide us with teaching events. The brutal coarseness of the shooting calls for introspection of the brutal coarseness all about us. We would have lost even more if we didn’t examine the ugliness and harm served up daily by the likes of Beckerhead, Bill-o, Lard Limbaugh, O’Hannity, O’Kelly, O’Van Karlsen, KOS, Olbermann, Palin, Schultz and their sorry lot and at least ask ourselves what damage they are causing to our Republic, to our culture by their self-serving pornography (I find it little else.). But, the shooting and the irresponsible, malicious “journalism” are paired only in tone, tenor and a general quality of bitterness, hatred and vitriol. As to culpability, they are separate and apart. As amusing as I find the shrill, hyperbolic preemptive defenses of against charges never leveled, I am every bit as pleased that we, at least some of us, have taken the opportunity have a tragedy to attempt to learn and to grow. Not all epiphanies are sudden, miraculous events. To say that people are looking to deflect the culpability, however, is simply erroneous.

Too funny. Nobody said it? Really? i guess you missed Krugman coming out two hours later with his crap. And before you start…….yu are right there with the attaboys with the other numbnuts here try to paint Beck with the Nazi crap when Beck never said it either. Either is or it isn’t.

Is Patrick Kennedy nobody? How about Hillary Clinton?

and you knoow as well as I do folks are claiming they are delfecting culpability away from themselves……they are trying to pin it on those with whom they disagree.

And that isn’t erroroneous…..that’s sad and tragic. That some people are so cravenly lustful for personal power that they would say and do these things is horribly sad and anyone who aids in that shit is a human tragedy of the worst kind.

Grammie said:
Great analysis, 2012, an original and fresh take on a subject that has been explored to its depths.

Let’s see. In Cambridge, we had a police officers rushing to judgment and arresting a man, and African American man, for trying to get into his on house and in decrying police conduct in the way the police had handled the matter. His own house. Lawful entry. And the complaint was that the police rushed to a judgment.

In Tucson, we have a sheriff apparently handling an investigation, in concert with the FBI. It is an investigation of a matter in which a number of innocent victims were killed. Numerous acts of violence. Did the good sheriff rush to judgment about the shootist? No. Demonstrably, a crime has been committed. No speculation here. And, what exactly is the rush to judgment? On the part of law enforcement describing the milieu, I should think. And, what exactly is the rush to judgment on the part of our president? Does it have anything to do with the activities of the shootist or of the law enforcement personnel? It doesn’t seem so. It seems the rush to judgment, as you call it, is our President determining that law enforcement acted prudently and well in this instance, which is demonstrably true on a results analysis, and that the good sheriff had addressed a psychosis in our society about which he had long spoken.

So what are the similarities here?

It seems to be they are profound. Every bit as similar as say licorice and 10 penny nails. Except, of course, in both instances you found cause to bash our President.

Completely moronic.

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Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Grammie, can you tell us again how the royal pain in the butt was kicked off Olberwatch due to his 10,000 insulting posts? I love that story!!

Janet, I am pleased I have given you a reason to live.

If anyone wants a point of perspective go back into the archives and read the comments by some shortly after this tragedy began to unfold. It really makes quite a few look very unintelligent.

VoiceofReason said:
Too funny. Nobody said it? Really? i guess you missed Krugman coming out two hours later with his crap. And before you start…….yu are right there with the attaboys with the other numbnuts here try to paint Beck with the Nazi crap when Beck never said it either. Either is or it isn’t.

Is Patrick Kennedy nobody? How about Hillary Clinton?

and you knoow as well as I do folks are claiming they are delfecting culpability away from themselves……they are trying to pin it on those with whom they disagree.

And that isn’t erroroneous…..that’s sad and tragic. That some people are so cravenly lustful for personal power that they would say and do these things is horribly sad and anyone who aids in that shit is a human tragedy of the worst kind.

One very simple question: Did any of these people say or write that the shootist did not commit the crime?

Another very simple question: Did any of these people say or write that someone else committed the crime?

If you you answer “no” to either, you’re delusional.

BREAKING NEWS

Trace Gallagher just reported that they have released the documents and it seems that the Pima County Sheriff’s office had been called re Loghner 10 times beginning in 2010.

You guys nailed it!

If you you answer

Hey King, did you mean, if you answer? Always happy to help out the self-appointed Royal Spelling and Grammar Czar!

The Real Royal King said:
Let’s see. In Cambridge, we had a police officers rushing to judgment and arresting a man, and African American man, for trying to get into his on house and in decrying police conduct in the way the police had handled the matter. His own house. Lawful entry. And the complaint was that the police rushed to a judgment. In Tucson, we have a sheriff apparently handling an investigation, in concert with the FBI. It is an investigation of a matter in which a number of innocent victims were killed. Numerous acts of violence. Did the good sheriff rush to judgment about the shootist? No. Demonstrably, a crime has been committed. No speculation here. And, what exactly is the rush to judgment? On the part of law enforcement describing the milieu, I should think. And, what exactly is the rush to judgment on the part of our president? Does it have anything to do with the activities of the shootist or of the law enforcement personnel? It doesn’t seem so. It seems the rush to judgment, as you call it, is our President determining that law enforcement acted prudently and well in this instance, which is demonstrably true on a results analysis, and that the good sheriff had addressed a psychosis in our society about which he had long spoken. So what are the similarities here? It seems to be they are profound. Every bit as similar as say licorice and 10 penny nails. Except, of course, in both instances you found cause to bash our President. Completely moronic.

Obama has handled the situation just fine. However, the media hasn’t, that is who I am concerned about. I really don’t see how anyone can deny the fact that many in the media were tying right wing rhetoric to the shooting. You don’t have to say something directly to be saying something.

The Real Royal King said:
One very simple question:

The Real Royal King said:
Another very simple question:

Just “simple questions” from a simplet…uhh, a simple man.

Grammie said:
BREAKING NEWS

Trace Gallagher just reported that they have released the documents and it seems that the Pima County Sheriff’s office had been called re Loghner 10 times beginning in 2010.

You guys nailed it!

As I said before, I thought the sheriff’s odd rhetoric in the wake of a tragedy could be a ploy to divert media attention away from the irresponsible way his department handled the assassin in the past.

VoiceofReason said:
Is Patrick Kennedy nobody?

He is now. FREE AT LAST! THANK GOD ALMIGHTY!!!

(He was my critter. Buh bye!)

Hmmm, lets see the killer, Loughner, was born in America, the land of the free and the home of the brave. That’s it, he must be a damn far right-wing, tea party zealot. Yeah, that’s as close as you liberals can get….. LMAO

The Real Royal King said: Completely moronic.

I would tend to agree……but please don’t let that stop you from posting.

Dorky says:

Obama has handled the situation just fine

I disagree. When the Ft. Hood tragedy happened, he came out immediately and asked us not to jump to conclusions about the shooter. He hasn’t done that this time and in fact, has been silent while political opponents of his have been accused of being accessories to murder. His silence is deafening.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
He hasn’t done that this time and in fact, has been silent while political opponents of his have been accused of being accessories to murder.

A damn lie. No such accusation has been made.

Grammie said:
BREAKING NEWS

Trace Gallagher just reported that they have released the documents and it seems that the Pima County Sheriff’s office had been called re Loghner 10 times beginning in 2010.

You guys nailed it!

All the Marys in Heaven! What a sad life you lead.

Rally has been rescheduled!

And in other news:

A man has been arrested for threatening Rep. Jim McDermott, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

The PI reports that Charles Turner Habermann was arrested Wednesday morning for allegedly making threatening phone calls to McDermott, a Democratic congressman who represents Seattle.

The Real Royal King said:
A damn lie. No such accusation has been made.

Marcos Moulistas did.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
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Dorky says:

Obama has handled the situation just fine

Dorky, 2012 is correct in her facts.. BOTH the media and the pols, including BHO were tying themselves into knots b/c Najan was exactly what they didn’t want to jump to conclusions about. In fact, Shep Smith didn’ release his name b/c it feed the wrong speculation.

We have the exact opposite this time. The speculation is a big load of sizzling crap and some media and some pols are the ones doing it.

Where is BHO? He’s not directly contributing to it but by his silence this time he is aiding and abetting it.

Fox News: Enlisting Patriots for Pam Geller's Rally Feb 3rd said:
Rally has been rescheduled! And in other news: A man has been arrested for threatening Rep. Jim McDermott, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. The PI reports that Charles Turner Habermann was arrested Wednesday morning for allegedly making threatening phone calls to McDermott, a Democratic congressman who represents Seattle.

Good! Another crazy off the streets, and hopefully another murder(s) has been avoided. That still doesn’t change the fact that there is no evidence of any coherent political theory that drove Loughner to shoot these people.

I suppose there hasn’t been enough blame put on Arizona being the problem. Just look at how McCain had to turn up the crazy to just win his primary.

Fox News: Enlisting Patriots for Pam Geller's Rally Feb 3rd said:
A man has been arrested for threatening Rep. Jim McDermott, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

Good, he should be and the full weight of the law applied to him.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Dorky says: Obama has handled the situation just fine I disagree. When the Ft. Hood tragedy happened, he came out immediately and asked us not to jump to conclusions about the shooter. He hasn’t done that this time and in fact, has been silent while political opponents of his have been accused of being accessories to murder. His silence is deafening.

I understand what you are saying, and yes, it is hypocritical, but heres what I think: Him not calling to “dont jump to conclusions” is way down on my list of priorities. Yes, it may be hypocritical, but it would have been a lot worse if he came out swinging at “political rhetoric that lead to the congresswoman getting shot” without evidence, which is what most of the news media did.

I think this interview sums it up pretty nicely. He was a disturbed person whose politics are not necessarily clear or coherent. Period.

I think both sides should lay off trying to assign him a political label based on what books he’s read. Reading Karl Marx doesn’t make you a Communist any more than reading Hitler makes you a Conservative.

If I read a cookbook does that mean I agree with every thing Paula Deen says?? ;-)

Nacho said:
I suppose there hasn’t been enough blame put on Arizona being the problem. Just look at how McCain had to turn up the crazy to just win his primary.

Or they found out that you have made threatening comments about Gov Brewer here.

Fox News: Enlisting Patriots for Pam Geller's Rally Feb 3rd said:
Rally has been rescheduled!

That’s good. I’ve got a business trip starting the last week in January, and I won’t be back until 4 February. And, I’ll be able to buy a Taqiyah at the Shepherd’s Bush Market.

ChickaBOOMer: “He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.”
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2011/01/he-did-not-watch-tv-he-disliked-news-he.html

Grammie said:
Or they found out that you have made threatening comments about Gov Brewer here.

I’m sure your grandchildren are proud of your infinite wisdom, grandma.

Grow up.

Grammie said:
Fox News: Enlisting Patriots for Pam Geller’s Rally Feb 3rd said:
A man has been arrested for threatening Rep. Jim McDermott, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

Good, he should be and the full weight of the law applied to him.

We can all agree on that.

Nacho said:
I suppose there hasn’t been enough blame put on Arizona being the problem. Just look at how McCain had to turn up the crazy to just win his primary.

It does come easy to Gramps, however. He’s every bit as loony as Raygun was.

Dorky says:

I understand what you are saying, and yes, it is hypocritical, but heres what I think: Him not calling to “dont jump to conclusions” is way down on my list of priorities. Yes, it may be hypocritical, but it would have been a lot worse if he came out swinging at “political rhetoric that lead to the congresswoman getting shot” without evidence, which is what most of the news media did.

I hear you, but in my mind he sat back and let other’s do it for him. Him not condemning it is him condoning it in my mind. Why would he come out swinging when he has the media doing it for him? He just sat back and kept the blood off his hands.

Nacho says:

I’m sure your grandchildren are proud of your infinite wisdom, grandma.

Grow up.

Seems like Nacho is upset that some of us have good memories.

i say grab him,he looks creepy too.

For crying out loud. Liberals are not saying that Palin, Beck, Limbugh, Fox News or who ever else you want to lump in committed or helped commit these murders. I hear people saying that the discourse has created an environment of hat. Wen you think the POTUS is the enemy and you repeat this constantly, it gives the unhinged a nudge they don’t need. The right is shameful. No reflection or any kind of acknowledgment that the rhetoric is over the top. Even Ailes said to tone it down. What is wrong with that? Why is that so bad? Sharon Angle said there might be a resaon for 2nd amendment remedies. Beck calls the president an enemy and a racist. WTF? Seriously? Fox thinks that the left is picking on them? I’m not sure what will happen next but this is getting very scary

SteveMG said:
I’m off to see the Queen later today.

I’ll be waiting with open arms…and legs.

The King won’t be back until late tonight.

Dave Noland says:

For crying out loud. Liberals are not saying that Palin, Beck, Limbugh, Fox News or who ever else you want to lump in committed or helped commit these murders

You can keep saying this, but it won’t make it true.

Dave Noland said:
For crying out loud. Liberals are not saying that Palin, Beck, Limbugh, Fox News or who ever else you want to lump in committed or helped commit these murders. I hear people saying that the discourse has created an environment of hat. Wen you think the POTUS is the enemy and you repeat this constantly, it gives the unhinged a nudge they don’t need. The right is shameful. No reflection or any kind of acknowledgment that the rhetoric is over the top. Even Ailes said to tone it down. What is wrong with that? Why is that so bad? Sharon Angle said there might be a resaon for 2nd amendment remedies. Beck calls the president an enemy and a racist. WTF? Seriously? Fox thinks that the left is picking on them? I’m not sure what will happen next but this is getting very scary

if it has nothing to do with this situation, why bring it up now?

NewsBusters Publisher Bozell Condemns Death Wishes Against Conservatives from Liberals in the Media

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bozell/2011/01/12/newsbusters-publisher-bozell-condemns-death-wishes-against-conservativ#ixzz1ArLh7XcM

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
NewsBusters Publisher Bozell Condemns Death Wishes Against Conservatives from Liberals in the Media

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bozell/2011/01/12/newsbusters-publisher-bozell-condemns-death-wishes-against-conservativ#ixzz1ArLh7XcM

Bozell. There’s a great source.

Nacho said:
I’m sure your grandchildren are proud of your infinite wisdom, grandma.

Grow up.

Says the really really all growed up and a big boy now who lamented that it wasn’t Gov Brewers head blown up.

My grandkids are more than just fine but can we say the same thing about those around you especially if they look like or think like Jan Brewer?

I do not watch TV unless it is something I pre-record to fast forward through commercials (because I feel that the majority of stupid commercials turn brains to mush, lol). I also like to be able to pause it if I so desire.

I very much dislike listening to the news, unless I have interest in something specific, at which time I will look it up on the internet and educate myself. I find the rest to be boring drivel, really.

And Politics? OMG. Noooo thank you! I believe what I believe, but I do not expect anyone else to think the same way I do, I will never argue over it, so I keep it to myself unless asked specifically. I DO VOTE, but I do so in an educated (I research like crazy online) way and don’t get into the whole “I’m right and you’re wrong” thing.

This does not make me a psychotic killer or a meek lamb, I AM JUST ME and I do not like to get into the whole bullshit argument that basically never seems to end and really proves nothing.
~It is like religion, NO ONE knows what the TRUE religion is and NO ONE ever will until they die, if then. They all believe they are right, and MOST of them want to shove that down your throat and up your ass and force you to believe the same, somehow gaining a feather in their cap and a red carpet entry into what their choice of Heaven might be.

So, my point in all that “drivel” I just typed is that one can’t base anything on what another person watches or listens to or does not most of the time. I mean, a closet pervert is not going to tell anyone what they’re “into”, for fear of ridicule or someone spreading the news, or possibly getting arrested if the kink is illegal. As an example, when pedophiles are caught, there is usually such shock over it because no one would have ever thought that that person was “that way”. Yet, a person who is very into all of the news and politics and so on, might be totally harmless and never harm a soul.

Crazy actions can be triggered, planned out, or impetuous. It varies from person to person and mood to mood and psychosis to psychosis. There are different types of crazy. Spur of the moment, brought on by trauma of some sort, drug induced, a long term disorder, and in all of that, the realm the crazy “spins in” can vary from inflicting injury on ones self, hurting others, closing up and being reclusive and/or phobic, -just a huge wide range of things. Maybe a perfectly sane person has a horrible day or is on the verge of a mental melt, and snaps and decides to open fire (remember the ones who went “POSTAL”???), I mean, you can never tell and you can never stereotype ANYONE. No one is really “safe” form this type of thing. A little old lady can go off just as easily as a postal worker, a waitress, a cop, a nun, an accountant, an angry teen, or a young man in a hoodie with headphones… Once it happens we can analyze it and blame whatever we want to blame, but it is not going to change the fact that it happened and people were hurt and people died. Just food for thought.

There was no reason to believe otherwise. Sad that the Sheriff and others went down that path to begin with. His anger was understandable, his words were not. Evidence and facts first.

VoiceofReason said:
Yeah he wouldn’t be hiding that report detailing one of his teachers calling 911 in repsonse to his behavior? Or when the folks called the cops on him for peeping in their windows? BTW, these people had just purchased the house from a lady who had complained to campus officials about him. Or the 5 (on record) incidents involving the colleges PD? ANY of which should have landed him the psych eval that would have precluded him from purchasing the gun he used. Maybe even have lead to his incarceration or commitment……..either of which would have stopped the violence from Saturday from ever happening. Let’s be sure and not talk about any of that.

Excellent point. And I think it is about time to EXPLORE what everyone else won’t. It will take a minute.

First, LET ME BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT I think Loughner is to blame for his actions.

And I think it is nuts to think his actions prove or disprove any political philosophy or ideology.

But IF you really want to ask who might have had some effect on him, who might have done something differently or interceded to change the disastrous events, start looking at people who were in some way involved or in contact with this guy and his past. (As VoiceofReason so rightly pointed out in the post I quoted above.)

Which includes, to what extent did the very sheriff (or his organization) who is so eager to cast blame on political rhetoric fail to do something they should have? Not sure, but worth asking.

Also as about his parents and what they might have done. Again, worth asking.

BUT more than that, do you want to know what I want to see more than anything in this story? I’d like to see a videotape of the 2007 interaction between Loughner and Giffords. What happened there? Loughner, from what we’ve heard, went to an event and asked a question and got what he percieved as a non-answer, what he perceived as a snub. And wanted to murder the woman ever since.

I want to see what THAT interaction was like. Because here we have a guy who by all accounts was not functioning well mentally, and of everything in his life that might have set him off, THAT is the event that as best we can tell actually flipped the switch that made him CHOOSE A TARGET. Long before ANYONE outside Alaska had ever even heard the name Palin. Before Obama was President. Before the healthcare law. Before so many things which people want to staple to his rampage for their own ends.

One reason I want to know what took place in that interaction is that whatever switch got flipped that day, it is a useful switch to learn how to avoid, IF POSSIBLE.

And let me be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that I am not saying Gabrielle Giffords did something wrong in the way she spoke to him that day.

That bears repeating. Let me be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that I am not saying Gabrielle Giffords did something wrong in the way she spoke to him that day. I CAN”T have an informed opinion because I don’t know what was said and how it was said. Did she try to give a good, caring, candid and honest answer to the best of her ability? Was she curt and did she snub him or embarass him? Was she insulted and did she respond in a flip manner? Did she answer in Spanish, just to show him up in some way as I hearrd reported once, but for which I have no confirmation? Was she confused by the gibberish from a lunatic? I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWERS and DON’T CLAIM TO KNOW. But I am curious as hell.

Because it appears that of all the things that MIGHT HAVE taken a nut who was on a path to get enraged irrationally at SOMETHING, so far it appears that THIS INTERACTION was the one that had the most impact on him. I could see this guy killing a waiter after someone burned his food. Or a teacher who gave him a bad grade. Or lots of things. But he didn’t. He wanted to murder Gabrielle Giffords, and this is the only time they ever interacted directly as far as we know. And ever since, he wanted to kill her.

If that is the case, consider Barney Frank telling someone concerned about government overreach “I’d just as soon argue with a dining room table as talk to you.” Or Nancy Pelosi telling someone who asked about the Constitional basis for the HUGE and controversial Healthcare law by saying “Are you serious?” (If I could think of a GOP example or two now I would. They are guilty of the same crap too, it’s not a partisan thing.) If you want to talk about people being responsible for not creating a climate of inflammatory political debate, how about garbage like THAT for inflammatory?!

Again, I don’t know what Giffords said to this guy, and I fully suspect she said something quite reasonable and he’s just a nut who took it the wrong way. My gut instinct is that what made the indelible impression was the fact that the interaction with a person in power was DIRECT AND IN PERSON. Maybe also because it was in front of a crowd. But if you ACTUALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SET THIS GUY OFF AND AREN’T JUST A POLITICAL SHILL TRYING TO EXPLOIT A TRAGEDY REGARDLESS OF THE TRUTH, YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST EXAMINE THIS EVENT IN TRYING TO COMPREHEND THE SHOOTING RAMPAGE.

This is about the time where stupid people will now start shrieking “OMG, HE IS BLAMING GIFFORDS!!”

No I am not. STFU now. I blame the shooter. But for those who want to consider other potential inflaming events or people or rhetoric, they are clearly fools or charlatans if they cherrypick things Loughner may never have even seen or heard, and ignore the SPECIFIC INTERACTION WITH GIFFORDS, WHICH ONE OF LOUGHNER’S FRIENDS HAS SAID IS WHEN THE GUY DECIDED TO TRY TO MURDER HER.

In all the reporting I have watched and read, I have yet to see a clear, detailed description of their interaction that day. If anyone has any sources, please post them.

I am making an appeal now for people to THINK about this, and not take the stupid road. I am not heartened that it will happen, but I have hope.

Oh, and… arguing and spewing hatred to one another and the insults back and forth create even MORE needless drama. Could we possibly live and let live here? It is just my opinion, and no one has to agree with it, and I do not want to argue, but it is so juvenile to me to see the insults and hatred. I’m far from perfect, but once I became an adult, I learned how to get along and play well with others. I genuinely wish we all could.

The left should be hanging their head in shame because they got caught trying to destroy their political enemies over the body of a dead child. Special place in hell and I would hope that civilized americans would shun them.

Writing on the Huffington Post in 2007, radio host Charles Karel Bouley mocked: “I hear about Tony Snow and I say to myself, well, stand up every day, lie to the American people at the behest of your dictator-esque boss and well, how could a cancer NOT grow in you? Work for Fox News, spinning the truth in to a billion knots and how can your gut not rot?”

On his radio show in 2009, Ed Schultz wished for Dick Cheney’s death: “He is an enemy of the country, in my opinion, Dick Cheney is, he is an enemy of the country … Lord, take him to the Promised Land, will you?”

■ Also on his radio show, in 2010, Schultz shouted: “Dick Cheney’s heart’s a political football. We ought to rip it out and kick it around and stuff it back in him!”

■ Then-Air America host Montel Williams in 2009 urged Congresswoman Michele Bachmann to kill herself: “Slit your wrist! Go ahead! I mean, you know, why not? I mean, if you want to – or, you know, do us all a better thing. Move that knife up about two feet. I mean, start right at the collarbone.”

I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact.” — Host Bill Maher on his HBO show Real Time, March 2, 2007, discussing how a few commenters at a left-wing blog were upset that an attempt to kill Vice President Cheney in Afghanistan had failed.

■ “Earlier today, a rental truck carried a half a million ballots from Palm Beach to the Florida Supreme Court there in Tallahassee. CNN had live helicopter coverage from the truck making its way up the Florida highway, and for a few brief moments, America held the hope that O.J. Simpson had murdered Katherine Harris.” — Bill Maher on ABC’s Politically Incorrect, November 30, 2000.

Host Tina Gulland: “I don’t think I have any Jesse Helms defenders here. Nina?”
NPR’s Nina Totenberg: “Not me. I think he ought to be worried about what’s going on in the Good Lord’s mind, because if there is retributive justice, he’ll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.” — Exchange on the July 8, 1995 Inside Washington, after Helms said the government spends too much on AIDS.

■ “I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease….He is an absolutely reprehensible person.” — USA Today columnist and Pacifica Radio talk show host Julianne Malveaux on Justice Clarence Thomas, November 4, 1994 PBS To the Contrary.

Don’t shoot the messenger King, defend these. Come on!

Just_MC said:
This is about the time where stupid people will now start shrieking “OMG, HE IS BLAMING GIFFORDS!!”

Only those who didn’t read and understand what you actually said. I’ve wondered about that meeting also. Since no one has produced any video perhaps it doesn’t exist.

.

The Dem’s are already planning their defense for the next tragedy:

“Whether [political rhetoric] caused what happened in Tucson or not, it’ll cause the next tragedy,” Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) predicts on FOX News.

Pablo gave a great link to Charles Krauthammer on another thread:

Nonsense. It’s a longstanding part of political tradition and everyone does it. See Krauthammer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011106068.html

I highly recommend it. This is the inexorable conclusion:

“Did Manchin push Loughner over the top? Did Emanuel’s little Mafia imitation create a climate for political violence? The very questions are absurd – unless you’re the New York Times and you substitute the name Sarah Palin.

The origins of Loughner’s delusions are clear: mental illness. What are the origins of Krugman’s? “.

Although he descibes himself as a “recovering psychiatrist” his status and experience in the field gives his opinion a bit more weight, IMO.

Grammie said:
Only those who didn’t read and understand what you actually said. I’ve wondered about that meeting also. Since no one has produced any video perhaps it doesn’t exist. .

I’ve wondered the same thing. I hope video does exist, but it might well not.

That was a great article Grammie. I sent it to Mediaite yesterday, but I guess they weren’t interested in it since he wasn’t blaming Palin.

ABC is now saying that “sarah inserted herself into this story”! These people are SICK, SICk, SICK.

It just doesn’t get any more stupid than ABC….well, and NBCCBSCNNMSNBCNYTimes.

Seeing – they never posted the story about Mark Penn either who claimed that “Obama needed an Oklahoma moment” which of course was clearly instrumental in the shooters mind when he attacked the Congresswoman. But Penn is a democrat, so his words and desires were ignored by mediaite.

it is what it is, the media are what they are – the enemedia. Bunch of sick puppies.

I know TfT. Someone else made this comment on another thread, but it’s so true it’s worth repeating. The left goaded Palin into responding by accusing her of hiding out of guilt, because they wanted her to comment so they could claim she was trying to become the story. That’s how they roll. Too bad for them, we’re all onto them now.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
I sent it to Mediaite yesterday, but I guess they weren’t interested in it since he wasn’t blaming Palin.

Damn, girl, you must be a research machine! :)

I would think that that would be perfect for their Print or Online categories/

Here are the definitive poll results to the question:

Sarah Palin said the responsibility for the Arizona shootings rests solely with the alleged shooter and blamed “journalists and pundits” for manufacturing a “blood libel” by blaming it on political rhetoric. Do you agree?

36.9%
Yes — There is no evidence that the accused shooter had any political motives and blaming his actions on words used by Palin and others is a way to score political points.
136,975 votes

58.6%
No – Regardless of the motive involved, political rhetoric has become too destructive in recent years and the use of a term like “blood libel” only makes it worse.
217,869 votes

4.5%
I’m not sure — Our national leaders do need to be more careful about the words they use but it’s also unfair to single out certain individuals for statements or imagery that are also used by others.
16,749 votes

http://politics.newsvine.com/_question/2011/01/12/5822380-vote-weigh-in-on-palins-reaction

Fox News: Enlisting Patriots for Pam Geller's Rally Feb 3rd said:
Here are the definitive poll results to the question: Sarah Palin said the responsibility for the Arizona shootings rests solely with the alleged shooter and blamed “journalists and pundits” for manufacturing a “blood libel” by blaming it on political rhetoric. Do you agree? 36.9%Yes — There is no evidence that the accused shooter had any political motives and blaming his actions on words used by Palin and others is a way to score political points.136,975 votes 58.6%No – Regardless of the motive involved, political rhetoric has become too destructive in recent years and the use of a term like “blood libel” only makes it worse.217,869 votes 4.5%I’m not sure — Our national leaders do need to be more careful about the words they use but it’s also unfair to single out certain individuals for statements or imagery that are also used by others.16,749 votes http://politics.newsvine.com/_question/2011/01/12/5822380-vote-weigh-in-on-palins-reaction

you site a on-line poll lol what is this american idol, man get real

Boehner Hosting RNC Cocktail Party During Tucson Shooting Memorial Service http://bit.ly/gHaF9J

I LOVE FOX NEWS, are you seriously asking us to take an A-MESS-NBC, unofficial online poll seriously?!! HAHA, oh wait you actually are!

Fox News: Enlisting Patriots for Pam Geller's Rally Feb 3rd said:
Here are the definitive poll results to the question:

Follow the link and we find an online MSNBC viewer poll that has had 5,000+ respond.

Vote: Weigh in on Palin’s reaction

I’m NOT shocked or even surprised at that sleazy little trick by whoever in hell you are.

Fox News: Enlisting Patriots for Pam Geller's Rally Feb 3rd said:
Here are the definitive poll results to the question: Sarah Palin said the responsibility for the Arizona shootings rests solely with the alleged shooter and blamed “journalists and pundits” for manufacturing a “blood libel” by blaming it on political rhetoric. Do you agree? 36.9%Yes — There is no evidence that the accused shooter had any political motives and blaming his actions on words used by Palin and others is a way to score political points.136,975 votes 58.6%No – Regardless of the motive involved, political rhetoric has become too destructive in recent years and the use of a term like “blood libel” only makes it worse.217,869 votes 4.5%I’m not sure — Our national leaders do need to be more careful about the words they use but it’s also unfair to single out certain individuals for statements or imagery that are also used by others.16,749 votes http://politics.newsvine.com/_question/2011/01/12/5822380-vote-weigh-in-on-palins-reaction

on msnbc”s website lol what a hack

Grammie said:
little trick

What trick is that?

Fox News: Enlisting Patriots for Pam Geller's Rally Feb 3rd said:
What trick is that?

Why, the SLEAZY “little tricK, of course.

Fox News: Enlisting Patriots for Pam Geller's Rally Feb 3rd said:
Here are the definitive poll results to the question: Sarah Palin said the responsibility for the Arizona shootings rests solely with the alleged shooter and blamed “journalists and pundits” for manufacturing a “blood libel” by blaming it on political rhetoric. Do you agree? 36.9%Yes — There is no evidence that the accused shooter had any political motives and blaming his actions on words used by Palin and others is a way to score political points.136,975 votes 58.6%No – Regardless of the motive involved, political rhetoric has become too destructive in recent years and the use of a term like “blood libel” only makes it worse.217,869 votes 4.5%I’m not sure — Our national leaders do need to be more careful about the words they use but it’s also unfair to single out certain individuals for statements or imagery that are also used by others.16,749 votes http://politics.newsvine.com/_question/2011/01/12/5822380-vote-weigh-in-on-palins-reaction

Just the fact that the last answer only got 4% shows how whacked out this poll is.

cjd ohio 1 said:
what a hack

A hack would be someone who tries to spin the results in a certain way. I am simply reporting the results of poll that received substantial participation. And it is definitive,because to my knowledge, no else has that specific question.

Fox News: Enlisting Patriots for Pam Geller's Rally Feb 3rd said:
A hack would be someone who tries to spin the results in a certain way. I am simply reporting the results of poll that received substantial participation. And it is definitive,because to my knowledge, no else has that specific question.

glad to know you understand what you are thanks

“American banks have seized worldpower at the beginning of the 20th century ”

Guess who said that. anyone?
Glen Beck. Thats who!

He didn’t watch cable news or listen to talk radio?

Thank God there was no rush to judgment.

valkyrie101 said:
Apparently loughner was into the “soverign citizen” movement: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/sovereign-citizens-jared-lee-loughner

Glad someone finally found a label to pin on him.

The Real Royal King said:
Completely moronic.

RRK, don’t be so down on yourself. We’ll be glad to do it for you.

Thanks for the video Mediaite. It was illuminating.

I feel sorry for Zack. His pain seems genuine.

Judge Mental said:
Glad someone finally found a label to pin on him.

Not about labels but understanding what his mindset is, and why he went off.

possibly said:
He called himself a political terrorist. He attempted to assassinate his political enemy. She is a Democrat. Nuff said.

My guess is your assertion is he was an anarchist? Since he didn’t belong to a party, nuff said?

The Real Royal King said:
Did the good sheriff rush to judgment about the shootist? No

The Real Royal King said:
Completely moronic.

Yep.

It’s being reported that Loughner was pulled over by law enforcement three hours before the shooting. MSNBC has just reported that as of yet there is no evidence, and the stopping officer has not reported, that Loughner was listening to right-wing radio when he was stopped.

Sean68 said:
It’s being reported that Loughner was pulled over by law enforcement three hours before the shooting. MSNBC has just reported that as of yet there is no evidence, and the stopping officer has not reported, that Loughner was listening to right-wing radio when he was stopped.

That would be much more likely if the guy was 65+. Still no word on the contents of his internet use, however, which is where most of the kids his age get their information.

valkyrie101 said:
That would be much more likely if the guy was 65+. Still no word on the contents of his internet use, however, which is where most of the kids his age get their information.

I was being facetious. But you make a good point. Absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence-ism is a solid philosophy when it comes to the existential questions of metaphysics and theology; in most other contexts, however, it’s only useful if one’s desire is to smear one’s opponents but find persuasive evidence lacking.

Sean68 said:
I was being facetious.

Me too.

I’ll be on a business trip from now till the end of February.

Okay, I’m back.

“Jared Loughner’s Friend Tells GMA: ‘He Did Not Watch TV, He Disliked The News’”

Another stake in the heart of the defense…can’t blame Fox.