Wrong Mr. Rove. The birther issue – regardless of how anyone feels about it – gave Trump legitimacy as a Republican candidate.

Rove may not like it, but this Republican Party is not the one he oversaw and just saying it doesn’t make it real.

Trump got the attention. Now he needs to focus on other things so he doesn’t become a one trick pony. It’ll be interesting.

Trump is a throwaway card in the Republican deck- the joker.
He can safely raise the crazy birther issue with impunity, create a ruckus, and let the serious contenders benefit from the fallout with no harm done to them.
The Repubs can accomplish all this, have their cake and eat it too, thanks to the Donald.

@ Bad Wolf

A+++++

Exactly right!

Rove is more of a joke than Trump could ever think of being.
Rove is out of touch with Republicans

Face it, most of the people telling the pollsters that they like Trump are Democrats. This is their silly dream: that Obama will run against Trump in next year’s election. The President will produce his birth certificate in the final debate, and thus win a landslide election — since no one will mention the economy, the deficit, the budget mess, the Afghanistan fiasco, the border, unemployment, Libya, Guantanamo, the stimulus, Obamacare, etc. etc. etc.

It’s a crazy person’s dream, but the Left needs to hold on to something, and certainly there is nothing in Obama’s track record that they can boast about. So they fantasize about an election in which Obama’s birth certificate is the big issue and the opposing candidate is a joke.

While the birther issue is fun to watch, and a distraction, it doesn’t really make him appear serious. But, what I think will really hurt him is this:

Sound the Trumpet
There’s not much I can add to Mark Levin’s explanation of why Donald Trump does not represent the conservative or Tea Party movements. He wasn’t there when we needed him, and he helped those who were against us.

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/04/sound-trumpet.html

There is a part of me that would love someone Trump-like – a business mogul who isn’t a politician – to be president. i have often wondered how they would do. someone not indebted to political parties and campaign donations – but who can run the country like a business. But, I don’t think it will be Trump.

I like Karl Rove, and usually agree with him. NOT THIS TIME!

Not only do I disagree with his comment about Trump, but I don’t even respect Rove for making it.
Karl does not believe Trump is a joke or his possible candidacy is a joke, he lied to us about that. Karl wants a more traditional Republican to run against Obama.
Maybe he thinks a traditional Republican will more likely win?
Maybe he thinks Trump will make a big mistake, be embarrassed, & lose?
Maybe he thinks he (Rove) won’t be invited to the party if Trump wins?

Karl is actually doing the same thing, sort of, Democrats do when they are AFRAID of a Republican. They don’t criticize their positions on issues, they make fun of them, disrespect them. This isn’t the first Republican Rove has disrespected. I hope it will be his last.

THAT OLD FOOL ROVE IS THE JOKE…IS HE STUMPING FOR JOHN MCSHAME AGAIN OR SOME OTHER RINO HAS BEEN LIKE HIMSLEF?

Dear NOBAMA 2012,

Please post your lengthy diatribe elsewhere.

felixw said:
Face it, most of the people telling the pollsters that they like Trump are Democrats.

I do love that line. So when the poll results are not the desired result, simply call them false. Unlike when the poll numbers are what is wanted in which case they represent the will of the people. Something that both sides do.

Elections are won or lost because of choices. Karl Rove is one of the reasons Obama got elected. The voters both R and D were fed up with the Plame fiasco, lies and deceit and would have vote for Chris Rock rather than the R candidate again! And the more Rove is interviewed on FOX the less likely the chances of the GOP candidate of winning. Trump is a Godsend but do the GOP a favor and put a muzzle on Rove for once and for all!

Donald Trump talks out of boths sides of his mouth on a number of issues and is in fact a joke which is why he fits right in with the GOP. Oh, and I saw a Suffolk University poll somewhere yesterday that has Obama crushing Trump 49 to 34. Apparently you folks aren’t in on the joke that Trump is.

http://www.salon.com/news/donald_trump/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/04/15/trump_worst_president

Dave Templeton said:
Elections are won or lost because of choices. Karl Rove is one of the reasons Obama got elected. The voters both R and D were fed up with the Plame fiasco, lies and deceit and would have vote for Chris Rock rather than the R candidate again! And the more Rove is interviewed on FOX the less likely the chances of the GOP candidate of winning. Trump is a Godsend but do the GOP a favor and put a muzzle on Rove for once and for all!

No, we voted for Obama because he was smarter, younger and more coherent than McCain and he wasn’t stupid enough to pick a VP candidate simply on the basis of having a vagina!

Bad Wolf said:
Trump is a throwaway card in the Republican deck- the joker.
He can safely raise the crazy birther issue with impunity, create a ruckus, and let the serious contenders benefit from the fallout with no harm done to them.
The Repubs can accomplish all this, have their cake and eat it too, thanks to the Donald.

Not necessarily… when Trump looks like the most secure Republican candidate.. plus he’ll play hardball and take out all the other Republicans before he’d give up… it’s going to be a bloodbath o_O, he’s like a suicide bomber and unless he wins he’ll bring down everyone else.

Keeva says
Wrong Mr. Rove. The birther issue – regardless of how anyone feels about it – gave Trump legitimacy as a Republican candidate.
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Please oh please keep believing statements like this! If you teas think Rove is now a “rino”, please, please keep it up, 2012 wil be a walk!

writer said:
Trump got the attention. Now he needs to focus on other things so he doesn’t become a one trick pony.

So you’re suggesting that Trump knows that the birth certificate is a non-issue, doesn’t really believe it himself and that he was just raising it to get attention?

Rove is a burned-out joke. Sure, he was the “architect” for George Bush – but those days are gone. He is OUT OF TOUCH. Donald Trump is NOT. Trump has his finger on the pulse of America and WE WANT HIM AS PRESIDENT! Get the fraud Obama OUT — He was born in Kenya– there is overwhelming proof. He is NOT ELIGIBLE to BE PRESIDENT and NOT ELIGIBLE TO RUN IN 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For ALL of the FACTS on Obama’s Ineligibility read the book: “Obama – Ineligible To Serve-Lies, Crimes and Deadly Ambition” at Createspace link: https://www.createspace.com/1000249453

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

Of course its for ratings for his celebrity apprentice .Did you see how the he fired the wrong guy this week?

I, for one, would like to be the first to call Karl Rove a RINO.

@ roxy

Yes, we know. You voted for Obama because he was young, and attractive, and spoke well… andnot because he had experience, ideas, ability, or the best interests of the country in mind. It was all for superficial reasons.

Rove continues stumping for the republican good old boy’s club, and he will discover that after all his preening and sophistry for a main-stream candidate of “his choice”, or the choice of the boy’s club, both he and his willing members of the “we pick the candidate club” will be sadly disappointed with the outcome.

Stick a fork in Carl Rove……….he’s as well done and as flat as a Rachel Corrie Pancake Breakfast at IHOP!

David weigel wants you not to speculate and report on how 51 percent of republicans believe in birther crap and that’s why Trump is ahead in polls and not some independence stuffs.

The Constitutional qualifications for a person to hold the office of President of the United States is not a crazy issue, especially when there is evidence of a possible deception or fraud which there is in the case of his birth certificate. This issue could easily be put to rest by producing the requested document, we’re not talking about a AAA membership here and why in the world would a person who had the proper qualifications spent millions to keep it hidden.

Many states have now passed laws requiring candidates to produce a birth certificate if requested to be allowed a place on the ballot, this issue isn’t going away and should’ve never been allowed to linger unanswered as long as it has and it is not unreasonable under the circumstances to demand proof one way or the other. Ask yourself this what if it is true, he isn’t really constitutiionally qualified to be president what then, does that mean everything he’s done since ttaking office is null and void? Talk about a constitutional crissis. Whose job is it ultimately to police/vet these candidates the political parties? In today’s America can you really trust that?

Rove is all for keeping the Republican Party establishment in place in DC. Both parties have a nice little set-up with lobbyists and special interests, and outsiders such as Trump are considered a ‘threat’ to the establishment. Fox News should fire this guy.

A “joke” – I don’t think so! Just look at what we have and what is being “offered”!
NEITHER “party” has ANYTHING! – if he runs as goop – I may need to ‘re-evaluate’ before I vote!

Karl Rove knows that unless a moderate Republican wins the primaries to represent the GOP in the 2012 election, the independents will go for Obama in large numbers. The religious right, the neocons and tea party are so far to the right that independents will stay away from the polls rather than go for nuts like Palin, Bachman or Trump.

I sure liked Greta van Sustern before her face lift. Now she talks out of the side of her mouth – on the other hand, maybe that isn’t the plastic surgeons fault.

Anti-far left Independent voters should shun the ‘moderate’ GOP establishment and former members. Rove, Barbour, McCain, and Graham, and numerous others are on the same page with the Dems, when it comes to many policies. Long before America even knew what an Obama was, Rove was advising Bush that illegals crossing US borders, had resulted in Hispanics fastly becoming the majority over whites or blacks. Both parties receive huge campaign donations from open borders lobbyists, which has pushed law-abiding US citizens to the back of the line, when it comes to the ‘interests’ of DC politicians. Say ‘No’ to moderate Haley Barbour, as well as the other moderate Repubs. RINOS…. all of them.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/haley-barbour-lobbied-on-behalf-of-mexico-for-amnesty-for-illegal-immigrants.php

How can anyone take Trump seriously?
He reminds me of a 3 A.M. infomercial host selling viagra.
However, he polls well against Palin and Huckleberry.
Is that a punchline?
I’m laughing.

Rove is one of the most despised to me, but I do accept that he knows what he is talking about (if he is honest). Remember when he said O’Donnell has no chance of getting elected, yet you guys (tp jokers), said nananana, yet she was thrashed 17points in the election. I won’t be surprised if Rove organizes a 527 group against Trump.

Gorgegirl said:
Karl Rove knows that unless a moderate Republican wins the primaries to represent the GOP in the 2012 election, the independents will go for Obama in large numbers. The religious right, the neocons and tea party are so far to the right that independents will stay away from the polls rather than go for nuts like Palin, Bachman or Trump.

While the clowns get the laughs, there will be some real candidates, but I ‘ll take Obama for the win.
I like your analysis.

Wow! The king of the conspiracies the swift boater himself is poo-pooing all over Trump. I love it. Obama looks like the adult in the room while the Republican candidates look like there in Alice in Wonderland

Rove is no different than the Dims on this. He’s just trying to convince himself his business-as-usual comrades are safe from an attack by “outsiders.” Ya know…………those “outsiders” just don’t understand how government works.

If Trump, running #1 among Repubs, is now a “joke” candidate,
does that make the GOP a “joke” Party?

Gorgegirl said:
Karl Rove knows that unless a moderate Republican wins the primaries to represent the GOP in the 2012 election, the independents will go for Obama in large numbers. The religious right, the neocons and tea party are so far to the right that independents will stay away from the polls rather than go for nuts like Palin, Bachman or Trump.

Just like they did in the midterm election last November, huh?

Trump would be a joke candidate with or without the birther issue. How he can dupe people into wanting him president is another joke. A joke on them.

This country has gone mad.

Theres very little thought of how suitable a candidate is, to have such an important job as president..
Now its all about how much celebrity status one candidate has over the other thats most important.
Having actual knowledge of what the job of president entails, be damned.

I see the Donald isn’t returning Karl’s repeated calls inquiring about employment. opportunities in his campaign organization.

Poor Karl, if someone could just teach him how to blow his nose, I think he’s still might have a few good years in him.

There’s a lot of real information available, tons of non-transparency from this “transparent” president. Of course it’s a serious constitutional question–or would the media and Rove like to ignore the Bill of Rights as well? The real question is “natural born citizen” as stated in the constitution, and there have been some very serious debates online without name calling and all the other histrionics. I don’t believe he’s eligible, for a number of reasons, and those that question his veracity in this and many other issues are right. The true intention of the founders in their terminology should be addressed by the Supreme Court, though they appear to be spineless like so many of “our leaders”. Where is the courage?

newzmaker said:
Rove is all for keeping the Republican Party establishment in place in DC. Both parties have a nice little set-up with lobbyists and special interests, and outsiders such as Trump are considered a ‘threat’ to the establishment. Fox News should fire this guy.

Bingo.

The amazing thing is Rove’s forehead is about the size of Obama’s debt.

Keeva said:
I do love that line. So when the poll results are not the desired result, simply call them false. Unlike when the poll numbers are what is wanted in which case they represent the will of the people. Something that both sides do.

I am not calling the polls false. I am just stating the obvious. Liberals love Trump, and would like nothing better than to see him as the Republican candidate — so of course they will tell that to a pollster. This is the liberal fantasy. Imagine a whole election in which no one talks about the economy, foreign policy, unemployment, taxes, the deficit, Obamacare, the border, the stimulus, Afghanistan and every other Obama mess. Just 24/7 discussion of the President’s birth certificate. In other words, sort of like Mediaite, MSNBC and CNN these days.

But it won’t happen. And the very fact that the Left refuses to engage on big issues and work themselves up into a froth over this nonsense tells you how unprepared they are for the reality of the 2012 election, when a piece of paper in Hawaii won’t get them a single vote.

Is Political Conservatism a Mild Form of Insanity?

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/genius-and-madness/200809/is-political-conservatism-mild-form-insanity

Gorgegirl said:
Gorgegirl says:
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Karl Rove knows that unless a moderate Republican wins the primaries to represent the GOP in the 2012 election, the independents will go for Obama in large numbers. The religious right, the neocons and tea party are so far to the right that independents will stay away from the polls rather than go for nuts like Palin, Bachman or Trump.

MrJohnSays said:
Is Political Conservatism a Mild Form of Insanity?

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/genius-and-madness/200809/is-political-conservatism-mild-form-insanity

disgusted said:
A “joke” – I don’t think so! Just look at what we have and what is being “offered”!
NEITHER “party” has ANYTHING! – if he runs as goop – I may need to ‘re-evaluate’ before I vote!

disgusted said:
A “joke” – I don’t think so! Just look at what we have and what is being “offered”!
NEITHER “party” has ANYTHING! – if he runs as goop – I may need to ‘re-evaluate’ before I vote!

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>Gorgegirl said:
Karl Rove knows that unless a moderate Republican wins the primaries to represent the GOP in the 2012 election, the independents will go for Obama in large numbers. The religious right, the neocons and tea party are so far to the right that independents will stay away from the polls rather than go for nuts like Palin, Bachman or Trump.

Don’t think that the “independents” will Back-Out – they’re MORE disgusted with what is ‘here’ and what may be being “offered” !

I used to have respect for Rove…No longer!!

He is nothing more than a brainless lemming to the spineless Republican party!!

As is Beck and O’Really.

The fact is there are millions of good home grown Americans who love this Country that just want to see what Obama is hiding!..It isn’t a race thing!
Yet they get belittled by both Republicans and Democrats….and of course the uber liberals and Socialists and the lame stream media!
But they are not going to go away….and Trump is smart enough to understand this and capitalize on it!! That is why he has jumped out in front….He has become the voice for the millions who just want a damn answer….. I wouldn’t be surprised a bit if Trump already knows the answer!!!!!

Colorado_Conservative said:
I used to have respect for Rove…No longer!!

He is nothing more than a brainless lemming to the spineless Republican party!!

As is Beck and O’Really.

The fact is there are millions of good home grown Americans who love this Country that just want to see what Obama is hiding!..It isn’t a race thing!
Yet they get belittled by both Republicans and Democrats….and of course the uber liberals and Socialists and the lame stream media!
But they are not going to go away….and Trump is smart enough to understand this and capitalize on it!! That is why he has jumped out in front….He has become the voice for the millions who just want a damn answer….. I wouldn’t be surprised a bit if Trump already knows the answer!!!!!

O’Reilly, The Beckster and now with the addition of TurdBlossom you’re running out FOX favorites you may have to turn to the FOX fantasy draft to recruit an legitimate RINO.

Before long Trump will be called a RINO after they find out about his Democrat business ties.

Gorgegirl says:
Karl Rove knows that unless a moderate Republican wins the primaries to represent the GOP in the 2012 election, the independents will go for Obama in large numbers. The religious right, the neocons and tea party are so far to the right that independents will stay away from the polls rather than go for nuts like Palin, Bachman or Trump.
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100% correct, but don’t expose this information! The ‘teas” have never done the math (or they used “Ryan’s math”) so they figure they’re are on lock from Nov., but people didn’t know how crazy,…. crazy was at that time! The teas want to be feared, but not feared for being too stupid! They need to continue and change nothing!

I guess we’ll find the birth certificate at about the same time we find the WMD in Iraq, right Mr. Rove?

Karl Rove is the GOP Mafia’s consigliere and a puke.

I,m no Rove fan but he is telling the truth. Lets be real Trump. people fall for anything.

Who listens to Rove anyway? Does he have any type of important function in politics today or is he just one of the good ole boys of the GOP that only runs his head but produces nothing? And I thought the Demons had some worthless idiots, looks like we do to. Rove should either produce or get off the pot, apparently he has no function whatsoever except to try and get an established GOP RINO installed again, which is what We, the People, do NOT want! I never cared for Rove before and I sure as hell don’t give a Rats Butt what he has to say now and neither should any one else! Rove would let America Rot. So, Mr Nobody Rove, STFU!

Just asking….why do you Libs keep harping on this??? WHY do you libs keep this string alive? Why do you LIBS just not step away and move on????????????? The ONLY reason conservatives play this card/issue is because it makes libs squirm. Every time libs reply or squirm on this issue… Republicans smile. So why oh why do you keep replying/responding????????

Never mind………. whatever the reason…. keep it up. You give me a jolly good laugh.

Justme22 said:
Rove is more of a joke than Trump could ever think of being.Rove is out of touch with Republicans

You are partly correct. The fact is, Rove is out of touch with the PEOPLE.

Actually, a lot of the northeastern Republicans are more out of touch with the PEOPLE than is Karl Rove. Bill Kristol is but one example.

X-3 said:
You are partly correct. The fact is, Rove is out of touch with the PEOPLE.

Yep… the vast majority of folks think the T’party folks are self-serving… they do not understand. The T’party……. is the voice of the people. Dem or Repub or whatever……. the T party is the voice of the “people”… and those who do not get that are those who will never understand… they are the ones who will cry and shake and scream and yell…………………………… and they are also the ones who will never understand. Just saying.

IIWII said:
Yep… the vast majority of folks think the T’party folks are self-serving… they do not understand. The T’party……. is the voice of the people. Dem or Repub or whatever……. the T party is the voice of the “people”… and those who do not get that are those who will never understand… they are the ones who will cry and shake and scream and yell…………………………… and they are also the ones who will never understand. Just saying.

To quote myself and add a bit:
if you gave that comment a thumbs down it means you are NOT a teabagger……. which means you are a tabagee….. and so, from me to you…. enjoy!!!!!! Ya just ben ‘bagged’!!!!!!! Open wide!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are all out of touch with “the people” Dem, Lib, Rep, Con, Ind, Tea, whatever tag you want. Each has their own interests, commitments and obligations and yes they are all self serving. They also all claim to be the voice of and for “the people”. In the end they spend their time being combative with each other fueled by the MM and nothing absolutely nothing gets done of notable value. This gives a few miscreants the leisurely time to carve up the country to their advantage with impunity.

Note the amazing fiasco and claimed victory by every entity over the budget ordeal. There was a lot of back slapping for so little accomplishment and within a couple of days back to the same combative environment over who came out ahead. Naturally this was eagerly lapped up by the MM.

I wanna see the BC, but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect Rove’s position. This guy lives in the center of the policy issues, and the birth certificate to him is an insulting distraction from the meat of the issues.

He is right. The difference is, I’m not charged with the responsibility of monitoring and reporting on the critical issues. I think this communist, marxist guy should not have become President, I don’t want a Communist Marxist President and I’m curious about the birth certificate. You know the one that “likely doesn’t exist.” Yeah that one. If you don’t mind a communist Marxist for president, (probably because for you that is somehow mainstream values for America), not only are you not curious about the tightly held original document, but if it turned out not to exist, or to Constitutionally disqualify Obama, You would be OK about that anyway. Is that fair to say?

Obama was given permission to run for President. The documents on file in Hawaii are such that if they came to light, would be contested. The powers that officiated giving him permission made a judgement call on less than solid documentation, and must protect that original documantation from the reasonable people who would find grounds to reject Obama’s eligibility.

This is one legitimate issue that smarter men than I keep in perspective. Hawai’i has the power to authenticate documents and has agreed with others to GIVE OBAMA Permission, by issuing the best representation of legitimacy that it can. The originals would have failed a challenge, so only select persons will be able to inspect those originals.

Rove has bigger fish to fry, and he is smart enough to know not to beat his head against the wall over a moot point. Moot is what you get when the argument has been won by an administrative decision and is past the argument stage.

The antonym of Moot is “indisputable”. Administratively it is a settled matter, MOOT. Constitutionally it is disputable. Calling those who dipute the administrative decision crazy or racist is a devise that any good criminal defense attorney would use to dissuade a jury. Rove knows that that slander, in this case, is an effective device in the system he is operating in and to fight the MOOT is to defeat himself. He’s smart.

Now Obama, having been given permission to run for president administratively, would be CRAZy to release the weak and embarrassing originals. Hey, who could blame him for that? I’m not likely to volenteer info that someone could beat me over the head with either.

IIWII said:
To quote myself and add a bit:if you gave that comment a thumbs down it means you are NOT a teabagger……. which means you are a tabagee….. and so, from me to you…. enjoy!!!!!! Ya just ben ‘bagged’!!!!!!! Open wide!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Teach I couldn’t give you thumbs up or down because I didn’t really follow your intended message. Also what’s with the Stalin avatar? Respectfully could you elaborate on both?
As a side note on a previous thread regarding Knut the polar bear’s death I made an offhand joke about peyote which was not intended to offend. You seemed to have taken it wrong and erroneously referred to me as a lib just to be clear I consider myself a centrist Republican giving consideration to going Independent.

Rockycomet said:
Hey Teach I couldn’t give you thumbs up or down because I didn’t really follow your intended message. Also what’s with the Stalin avatar? Respectfully could you elaborate on both?
As a side note on a previous thread regarding Knut the polar bear’s death I made an offhand joke about peyote which was not intended to offend. You seemed to have taken it wrong and erroneously referred to me as a lib just to be clear I consider myself a centrist Republican giving consideration to going Independent.

Your considerations and reality, not even…………………close. You’re a lib through and through. Accept it, it’ll be best for everyone.

[M]aking the birth certificate a centerpiece of his campaign delegitimized him.

Except that he hasn’t done that — the media has. He’s discussed substantive issues, but that’s been mostly ignored while the birth certificate stuff has been repeated endlessly.

Even if he doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning, I’d still like to see Trump run. As a candidate, I believe he would have standing to pursue a court challenge on the birth certificate issue.

Awwwww c’mon … Cut Mr. Double Comb-Over some slack.
Of course Trump is not a serious candidate. His forté is marketing – himself – and literally any way he can do it, he will.
The “birther” stuff really IS a hoot though!

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Turd Blossom here got The Decider in the White House for eight years. And people here are talking like he’s just some out of touch hack? Sorry gang, if you want a good look at the real face of the GOP it’s not Sarah Palin or Alan West. It’s this goober.

Allen West….need edit button here.

Barack Must Go said:
Your considerations and reality, not even…………………close. You’re a lib through and through. Accept it, it’ll be best for everyone.

I think it would be best for everyone if you just opened up and explained that you are posting fro the Asylum. That way, everyone would understand the are responding to a nut job.

Obama is a one term wonder. The right will never vote for him. The Independants were fooled by him once. They won’t be fooled by him again…they’re going Republican. The Left, those that actually vote, will vote for him even though he has thrown them under the bus. So, getting only 20% of the vote spells doom for Obama.

Dem4Ever said:
Obama is a one term wonder. The right will never vote for him. The Independants were fooled by him once. They won’t be fooled by him again…they’re going Republican. The Left, those that actually vote, will vote for him even though he has thrown them under the bus. So, getting only 20% of the vote spells doom for Obama.

Independents aren’t going to like what the Right is taken away from them.

Barack Must Go said:
Your considerations and reality, not even…………………close. You’re a lib through and through. Accept it, it’ll be best for everyone.

a liberal through and through is the same as a HEEHAW…..you know , the noise that comes out the hole in a donkey neck that no one can understand unless they are a HEEHAW themselves .

Yoda002 said:
Independents aren’t going to like what the Right is taken away from them.

after WW1 the jews bought giant portions of europe as europe was cheap . they bought all the banks , businesses and real estate and were very successful doing it . a man named ADOLF HITLER run on the platform of “SOCIAL JUSTICE” that the “EVIL RICH” were the problem and the NAZI party had the right to take the wealth then redistribute it evenly among the german population . they attempted this to the joy of the GERMAN population as the GERMAN population was reaping the benefits . does that platform sound familiar ??? look it up if you don’t believe me .

Barack Must Go said:
Your considerations and reality, not even…………………close. You’re a lib through and through. Accept it, it’ll be best for everyone.

Clearly your post-it above your computer is titled “people who have been mean to me that I hate” which has my name on it. No doubt the one titled “people I like” is blank. You obviously have taken offense to the truth about your hateful commenting. You have chosen to continue to prove my point. Your claim that I am a lib does not offend me. I know many and have respect for them though I disagree with them. That is where we differ; you apparently do not understand or care for respect of your fellow countrymen. Having noted your posts you use one line hate comments that more often than not miss the mark by a long shot. I do however respect your right of free speech to do so no matter that it serves nothing but your own amusement.

Rockycomet said:
Each has their own interests, commitments and obligations and yes they are all self serving.

Hi Rocky, there are “interests” and there are “interests.” I have to believe that not all the components are “self-serving” unless we are talking about returning to a government that operates within the parameters of the Constitution. In that regard, the Tea Party folks I know (and I’m not yet one of them) want nothing more than to see the US return to its former status as THE world power, as based on premise that the US is the bastion of freedom and individual rights.

IF I see at some time in the future that the Tea Party turns out to be just another self-serving group that is established to enrich a select few (a plutocracy) or a government run by an elite group (oligarchy), I will slam them with a vehemence unseen heretofore.

With the exception of the qualifying aspect of atheism, I would fit well in the objectivists camp. The fact that I “choose” to believe in a power greater than ourselves disqualifies me for membership in that group. Yes, I fully realize the difference in “ethics” (a code of conduct based on the premise that one does good simply because it is better to do good than bad), and “morals” (a code of conduct adhered to because one either anticipates a reward or fears a punishment), but that is what works for me, personally.

The one thing I would have thought anyone with an IQ greater than that of an artichoke could realize as fact is that the behavior of our government since the ’30s has not worked out well: An entity that spends more money than it earns is destined for bankruptcy; a fiat currency (one that is not backed by something of intrinsic value, e.g. silver or gold) is the vehicle to economic doom; an economy based on shuffling paper (trading stocks, etc.) and delivering pizzas to one another (a service-based economy), is a FALSE economy–our economy MUST return to being a manufacturing-based economy; one must NEVER reward bad behavior–there are too many examples for me to list, but a few examples include rewarding criminal aliens with welfare and healthcare, paying people to not work (our welfare class lives better than many people who hold down jobs in other countries), those who commit crimes are given free college tuition (and 90%+ do not graduate) while young people from middle class families must struggle (and rightfully so!) to earn their way through university.

It is TRUE that the US has made mistakes in the past–slavery was at one time legal!–but in every case the US has CORRECTED its mistakes. Meanwhile, by way of example, in spite of economic incentives and legislative reparations that actually give unfair advantages to minorities, we still hear from the professional victims who complain about something that ended 146 years ago!

THE MAN said:
after WW1 the jews bought giant portions of europe as europe was cheap . they bought all the banks , businesses and real estate and were very successful doing it . a man named ADOLF HITLER run on the platform of “SOCIAL JUSTICE” that the “EVIL RICH” were the problem and the NAZI party had the right to take the wealth then redistribute it evenly among the german population . they attempted this to the joy of the GERMAN population as the GERMAN population was reaping the benefits . does that platform sound familiar ??? look it up if you don’t believe me .

Your confused as what the liberals think as Social Justice. The top 2% has taken from you in a socialist fashion. I would call it reverse socialism. The top 400 has as much wealth as the bottom 155 million. Look at 3rd world countries and tell me what you see?

X-3 said:
there are “interests” and there are “interests.” I have to believe that not all the components are “self-serving” unless we are talking about returning to a government that operates within the parameters of the Constitution.

As you can see from my posts I am very skeptical about all our misleaders being able to get their act together. I am also waiting to see what the Tea Party is able to formulate. Any group as of late can start with good intentions but it only takes a few to derail those intentions. Our ethics and Morals outlook has been compromised by those entities that are self serving. They come to us with hidden agendas so that on the surface they appear to be the way to go but act contrary to our expectations once given the keys to the city so to speak. Barak being one example has not lived up to many expectations caught up in the wave of “yes we can” mantra. They then put their inability to accomplish at the feet of their opposition. So in the end we wind up with nothing more than a stalemate. My personal belief in a greater power is what keeps me focused on our destiny and not a self righteous perspective. I also want to see a greater adherence to the spirit of the Constitution and not some bastardized interpretation.

We went wrong I think economically more so around the end of the sixties when we really stated abandoning out manufacturing base and stated selling information. It is needless to say an unsustainable proposition when corporations stopped evolving with the times and found it easier and financially expedient to depend on resources outside the country. We became a credit society so it became easier to accept the concept of debt while not having the ability to pay. Living that lifestyle was the environment our misleaders grew up in so it becomes an acceptable means of governance in the minds.

Americans have always been a giving country but have forgotten that it is not improper to feed your own children before you fatten the neighbor’s kids. Our foreign policy has been just that. Our boarders were not protected because there are those that would benefit from it and we now pay a price from it not being controlled. We get caught up in misdirected sentiments saying “you poor thing you have been wronged in the past so we should make amends now”. When we should be saying “sorry the wrongs you experienced were not our doing so go home and feed your own”. It is not unlike giving a homeless person a dollar and having them ask for more when you only had two to begin with. There are and always have been opportunist among us, we now must bring ourselves to say sorry there is no more to give.

Rockycomet said:
As you can see from my posts I am very skeptical about all our misleaders being able to get their act together.

I understand and appreciate your skepticism–given the infestation of RINOs on one side and the devil’s brew of communists, socialists, marxists, fascists, and outright America haters on the other side, and the so-called “progressives” on BOTH sides, one can easily hold the opinion that the worst enemy this country has is its government. We’ve been sold down the river in one form or another by our government and it’s not getting any better, unless “better” is the new flock of reformers that came in in 2010. If they fail, America fails.

Rockycomet said:
I also want to see a greater adherence to the spirit of the Constitution and not some bastardized interpretation.

I’m a bit confused about your remark “spirit of the Constitution.” Do you mean adherence to the “letter” of the Constitution? It seems that liberal interpretations of the Constitution has been a real problem. For instance, the 2nd Amendment–if you read reference documents e.g. the Federalist Papers–implies our right to keep and bear arms was NOT for hunting purposes; it was so we could defend ourselves from thugs, looters, and from a tyrannical government. The framers intended NO limitations to what kind of arms we should be allowed to keep and bear. In its day, the cannon was the most formidable weapon known to man, and there was not a limitation on that weapon. Now, we can’t even say “machine gun” or “rocket launcher” in public without being labeled as some kind of nut. In short, our 2nd Amendment rights are all but gone; there is NO way the populace could rise against tyranny, given the sophistication of the arms held by the military or our local police. If we tried to rise up, it would be a blood bath, pure and simple!

Rockycomet said:
We went wrong I think economically more so around the end of the sixties when we really stated abandoning out manufacturing base and stated selling information.

I agree. An economy based on shuffling papers and delivering pizzas to one another is a false economy.

Rockycomet said:
Americans have always been a giving country but have forgotten that it is not improper to feed your own children before you fatten the neighbor’s kids.

I agree, but be careful or someone will accuse you of being an “unfeeling, greedy isolationist.” And this segues into another crucial realization: As a rule, Americans have lost their self-reliance. Most Americans have been co-opted by those in government who want us to rely on government. The growing entitlement class illustrates this fact. In other words, what is wrong with our country is just as much “our” fault as it is the government’s fault. And this (I hope) is the message the Tea Party is trying to impart.

X-“Spirit of the Constitution” is the letter and strict conformance. That is why the fore fathers made it exceedingly difficult to change while allowing it to evolve if the times warranted
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Having and maintaining weapons is in fact to allow popular uprising against tyranny. The difficulty comes into the picture when in the hands of fanatics or the unstable.

Rockycomet said:
The difficulty comes into the picture when in the hands of fanatics or the unstable.

Thanks for explaining “spirit of the Constituion,” we agree,

Who gets to define “unstable?” I wouldn’t want it defined by Chuck Schumer.

X-3 said:
Who gets to define “unstable?”

Conundrum?

X-3 said:

By the way check back to the Deval Patrick thread. I was in USAF and gave you some detail.