KO, you have been on your own asteroid ( hemorrhoid? ) for years.

With the upcoming bloodbath approaching, look for Keith to focus more on O’Donnell. She’s about the only one behind in the polls, and if she loses the left will claim complete victory.

I cheated on KO last night and watched P/S. Actually I like Spitzer. Parker not so much. Just saying.

Keith “Al Bundy” Olbermann said:
Last night on Countdown, Keith Olbermann took a look at the current state of Congress – or, as he dubbed it, “living on an entirely separate plane of existence with a melting Earth and flying saucers and selective political correctness and race card playing and Nancy ‘you’re so dumb, not only do I wonder how you find the front door every day, you even make the dumbest Tea Party members seem like Copernicus by comparison’ Pelosi.”.

For the first time, I have to agree with Olbermann.

Uh Keith check your ratings and your networks and it’s pretty clear who’s on another ” plane of existence ” .

BlackWidow said:
I cheated on KO last night and watched P/S. Actually I like Spitzer. Parker not so much. Just saying.

How late do they allow TV in your cell?

Harry Reid SAVED THE WORLD! – and Olbermann thinks the Tea Party is out of touch???

LOL!!

Who is this guy Olbermann? What show is he on? Parker Spitzer, what is that?

If nobody sees them do they exist?

Once again Olbermann demonstrates his hatred for citizens who want government accountability and fiscal responsibility. What a sad spectacle!

murf says:
Uh Keith check your ratings and your networks and it’s pretty clear who’s on another ” plane of existence ” .

It’s kind of like New York Magazine said of Nancy Pelosi; To her, Denial is just a river in Egypt. The left is so out of touch, they don’t even realize it anymore.

If you like Soros, Olbermann & NPR – You’ll LOVE the 2010 Democrats!!!!

11-02-10 —– What kind of country do you want your kids to live in?

Hey, who’s going to the Stewart-Colbert “Restore Democrats” Rally?

notsofast said:
How late do they allow TV in your cell?

11 o’clock. You have a problem with that Phil Spector. How about your cell?

the guy who dips his dick in cat food before he lets miss precious-perfect sit on his lap is talking about someone else?

gordonbloyershow said:
Who is this guy Olbermann? What show is he on? Parker Spitzer, what is that? If nobody sees them do they exist?

When Blower are you going to get it? Individual ratings are not important to any ONE network but Fox. They are all by themselves. All the rest of us have many many outlets to hang out on.

NORBIT said:
Hey, who’s going to the Stewart-Colbert “Restore Democrats” Rally?

Me and about 2 million of my friends! Sorry you won’t join us.

They are all by themselves.

Exactly, Black Widow.

Hammer_You said:
the guy who dips his dick in cat food before he lets miss precious-perfect sit on his lap is talking about someone else?

EWWWWWW that is just creepy. Can’t you do better than that?

Andy Lamb said:
For the first time, I have to agree with Olbermann.

Caught again watching and MSNBC. Fox is missing you!!!

BlackWidow said:
When Blower are you going to get it?

I will get it when you use a REAL name and quit being a coward.

The worm hole connecting Olbermann’s universe to ours has pinched off. Adrift in the resulting picometer-scale 3-sphere, he strains to catch a glimpse of the receding world he was once part of, but wherever he looks, light is bent, geodesics wrap around, and he is surrounded by an inside-out image of his own sorry ass.

BlackWidow said:
11 o’clock. You have a problem with that Phil Spector. How about your cell?

How much are you charging this year to haunt a house?

BlackWidow said:
I cheated on KO last night

What? You had sex with a man for a change?

Taking just your headline, I agree. Tea Partiers are VERY different than Olbermann. We don’t assume that everyone who disagrees with us are ‘bigots’ We believe that speaking with others with differing viewpoints only helps us grow intellectually. We get up every day, work hard, and go home to our families. We value and work hard in our community, helping others. We believe that if we waste our money, then we won’t be able to pay for things we truly need. When our neighbor buys a mcMansion that’s too expensive, we think he should lose the house and rent something affordable. When we elect a President and he fails miserably, we judge him based on results not because of his skin color.

Yes, very different indeed. Thankfully.

gordonbloyershow said:
Who is this guy Olbermann? What show is he on? Parker Spitzer, what is that? If nobody sees them do they exist?

Said a guy who uploads YouTube videos of himself and calls it a “show.”

Does this “plane of existence” have any crocodiles in Muslim garb aboard? Now that would be scary.

gordonbloyershow said:
Who is this guy Olbermann? What show is he on? Parker Spitzer, what is that?

If nobody sees them do they exist?

You’re an expert on not being seen, Gordo. Why don’t you tell us. ;-)

The Tea Party started as something genuine and was quickly co-opted by Dick Armey and Sarah Palin and converted to the God, Guns and Gays base of the GOP. And Chris Christie is the newest hero of the right wing, which is proof positive that the right wing is NOT interested in other people’s point of view. They want what they want, for themselves and no one else, and they want it now. What was once a simple movement about economics has devolved into a hate-filled mob opposed to anything supported by the left – including things that used to be supported by the right. It’s a sham and the only Tea Partiers who aren’t faking it are being duped by it. What a sad reflection on America’s body politic.

Obermann knows as much about the Tea Party movement as does Lady GaGa about being low key.
Liberals fear the movement, call it names and refuse to take the trouble to understand it.
OK if you are MSNBC and your 99% of your audience is in 45 congressional districts that represent about 12% vieviewership.

standfast24 said:
Liberals fear the movement, call it names and refuse to take the trouble to understand it.

The Tea Party doesn’t understand itself. The name alone proves that point. The original Tea Party was as much a protest against corporate power as it was royal rule, and it was an act of industrial sabotage that cost millions in today’s dollars. It was direct action, illegal action, taken against entrenched corporate and political power, in response to the British Stamp Act, which had stifled the American entrepreneur class while enriching entrenched power at the colonies’ expense. The closest iteration to the Tea Party in modern terms is the Anarchists who tear up every city that hosts a G-20 summit – now THAT’S direct action. The original Tea Party sabotaged the wheels of industry to make a point. The modern “Tea Party” supports the very entrenched power the original Tea Party protested against – corporate transnationals and their GOP puppets in Congress. I won’t deny there are Dem puppets, too – and one is about to be sent packing in Arkansas – but the modern Tea Party is NOTHING like the original, and in fact, supports the very entities the original Tea Partiers despised. We understand the Tea Party movement just fine. It’s the Tea Party movement itself that’s groping in the dark. Seriously.

Tonight Olbermann will have two people with opposing views on his show to debate the tea party issue…..Eugene Robinson and Howard Fineman. Should be quite the street fight.

standfast24 said:
Liberals fear the movement, call it names and refuse to take the trouble to understand it.

So true! If only lieberals would understand that we Tea Partiers are registered Republicans who claim to be independents and became very concerned about government spending beginning on January 20, 2009.

Remember folks when the Left does it , it’s –ACTIVISM !

When the Right does it , it’s — Astro- Turf Hatred !

murf said:
Remember folks when the Left does it , it’s –ACTIVISM ! When the Right does it , it’s — Astro- Turf Hatred !

No, when the left protested against the government it was because they were America-hating traitors with a “derangment syndrome.”

Now that the right is protesting the government, they are direct descendents of the Founding Fathers.

Paul Westlake said:
which is proof positive that the right wing is NOT interested in other people’s point of view.

Do you actually think that any side is interested in “other people’s point of view”?
How many people are against obamascare? Who listened to them?

oh hell everyone knows O is on another planet.

comes-up-to-my-knees-gordonblowhardshow says:
“If nobody sees them do they exist?”

Actually, that is exactly the alternative universe that Olbermann alludes to. You reactionary Fox viewers have been programmed into thinking that if it’s not on Fox, it’s not real. That is actually completely insane, and any allusion to this draws that exact complaint from reactionary blowhards like Gordon.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/paul-waldman-what-beck-says-is.html

I don’t believe that there is a fix to this bifurcated reality. We’re more divided than we’ve been since the reconstruction, and after this election it’s going to get worse. Far right Tea Party people will pull the Republican caucus rightward and more liberal Dems will pull their caucus to the left.

Upshot: if the corporate funded R’s take Congress, then gridlock will be the order of the next two years. Then the same people who voted for Corporate-backed R’s will be pissed off that nothing got done in two years.
Don’t let the corporations buy congress. Share this URL:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/becks-fake-populism-exposed-he-sides.html

The Tea Party is a less refuge for a pathetic group of ignorant losers.

last refuge

Penguin60 said:
Do you actually think that any side is interested in “other people’s point of view”?
How many people are against obamascare? Who listened to them?

I would imagine everyone would be against “Obamascare,” but if it’s health care reform you’re referring to, about 67% of the country favored some kind of reform over nothing, the GOP position. Of the roughly 60% that are displeased with health care reform now, about 40% of those believe it didn’t go far enough. So, yes, about 30% of the country was wary of any legislation and some of them started calling it “Obamascare” to make it seem much worse than it really was. And THOSE people aren’t interested in anything anyone else has to say, nor are their extreme counterparts on the left. But the closer you get to the center, the more likely you are to encounter people who do want to hear what others have to say, and dead center is usually where you find people who stick their fingers in the wind and follow the herd. While your cynicism is warranted in some ways, I don’t think you hit the nail on the head with that one. ;-)

One thing I do find odd here is that so many people seem to be lining up in the my team vs. your team dynamic that always drives this. I haven’t seen anyone talk about how a powerful company can put the average person on the street with little brush back. We hear about this because Williams is still on TV on Fox, but what about teh average guy?

I also find it funny that after a guy got fired for maiking comments about an entire group, so many respond with “all liberals this…” or “all right wingers that…:”

Maybe we all need to tamp it down a bit.

armwood is a fool are you scared of muslims too?

I’d rather be on an entirely separate plane of existence from Olbermann and ‘those of his kind,’ too. I’d also rather be on a plane that’s flying rather than one that’s about to crash. No ‘Phoenix-like’ resurgence for Dems ever again. They had their chance since 2007 and blew it.

Keith is on a separate plane of existence…flying to nowhere.

gordonbloyershow said:
I will get it when you use a REAL name and quit being a coward.

Basil – You aren’t using your real name: i assume this means you are a coward.

Paul Westlake said:
The Tea Party doesn’t understand itself. The name alone proves that point.

Paul, stick to the things you know. How many Tea party activities have you attended? If your information comes from the media, it is incorrect.

I hope this plane doesn’t have any passengers in Muslim garb. There would be a lot of wet seats.

armwood said:
The Tea Party is a less refuge for a pathetic group of ignorant losers.

armwood said:
last refuge

Excuse me, who is ignorant?

Patrick Henry said:
Paul, stick to the things you know. How many Tea party activities have you attended? If your information comes from the media, it is incorrect.

What does the Tea Party stand for that in any way reflects the ideals of the original Tea Party?

armwood says:
“The Tea Party is a [last] refuge for a pathetic group of ignorant losers.”

Surprisingly, I have to take issue with this. The Tea Party backlash occurred right after Obama came into power. It was the 1st refuge they took. Also, polls show that they are not losers; they are winners. They see themselves under threat of the “other.” Blacks, gays, Muslims, hispanics: the Tea Party sees government coming to take what they have to redistribute it … no matter the evidence to the contrary.

As for ignorant, that I can’t take issue with. It doesn’t mean that they are stupid, just not informed.

GlennBeckReview said:
comes-up-to-my-knees-gordonblowhardshow says:“If nobody sees them do they exist?” Actually, that is exactly the alternative universe that Olbermann alludes to. You reactionary Fox viewers have been programmed into thinking that if it’s not on Fox, it’s not real. That is actually completely insane, and any allusion to this draws that exact complaint from reactionary blowhards like Gordon. http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/paul-waldman-what-beck-says-is.html I don’t believe that there is a fix to this bifurcated reality. We’re more divided than we’ve been since the reconstruction, and after this election it’s going to get worse. Far right Tea Party people will pull the Republican caucus rightward and more liberal Dems will pull their caucus to the left. Upshot: if the corporate funded R’s take Congress, then gridlock will be the order of the next two years. Then the same people who voted for Corporate-backed R’s will be pissed off that nothing got done in two years.Don’t let the corporations buy congress. Share this URL:http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/becks-fake-populism-exposed-he-sides.html

This is another well-reasoned post.

I am convinced that the Tea Party, whether in post-election euphoria or feverishly seeking excuses for under performance is going to pull the Republican party very, very far right. That seems inevitable.

I am not sure that a lurch to the left by the Democrats is inevitable. The rightward trajectory of the Republicans is going to free up space in the middle. I think Democrats may take up that space.

Thanks for your contributions.

GlennBeckReview said:
armwood says:“The Tea Party is a [last] refuge for a pathetic group of ignorant losers.” Surprisingly, I have to take issue with this. The Tea Party backlash occurred right after Obama came into power. It was the 1st refuge they took. Also, polls show that they are not losers; they are winners. They see themselves under threat of the “other.” Blacks, gays, Muslims, hispanics: the Tea Party sees government coming to take what they have to redistribute it … no matter the evidence to the contrary. As for ignorant, that I can’t take issue with. It doesn’t mean that they are stupid, just not informed.

You are correct about the inception of the Tea Party, but I also think armwood is correctly defining the current state of the Tea Party. Those of late affiliation have some chronic need for affirmation and approval they seem to be unable to get elsewhere.

Paul Westlake said:
What does the Tea Party stand for that in any way reflects the ideals of the original Tea Party?

The only reason the term “Tea Party” is used is because that happened to be the term Rick Santelli used on CNBC when he was complaining about how our government wants to redistribute our wealth. He said “we should have our own Chicago tea party”, meaning we should protest and let the government know how dissatisfied we are. That struck a nerve with many people who felt the government is going too far. I promise you what you have seen so far is only the start.

Patrick Henry said:
The only reason the term “Tea Party” is used is because that happened to be the term Rick Santelli used on CNBC when he was complaining about how our government wants to redistribute our wealth. He said “we should have our own Chicago tea party”, meaning we should protest and let the government know how dissatisfied we are. That struck a nerve with many people who felt the government is going too far. I promise you what you have seen so far is only the start.

What we’ve seen so far is a whole lot of stupid. The tea-bag party is for intents and purposes a one trick pony. People are beginning to understand that the tea-baggers are a bunch of yahoos. In the short term, they may see some political gain; long term that are going buh bye. Demographics in this country are changing patty and theres not a thing you can do about it. Sorry.

Ted- said:
What we’ve seen so far is a whole lot of stupid. The tea-bag party is for intents and purposes a one trick pony. People are beginning to understand that the tea-baggers are a bunch of yahoos. In the short term, they may see some political gain; long term that are going buh bye. Demographics in this country are changing patty and theres not a thing you can do about it. Sorry.

Ted, fair enough post. I would love to be abl to wager with you on that. November 2010 will show alot, but I doubt you will believe what you see. Let’s see if you still think that way in November 2012.

armwood said:
The Tea Party is a less refuge for a pathetic group of ignorant losers.

Then that means you are a Tea Party member because you are a massive loser.

Patrick Henry said:
Ted, fair enough post. I would love to be abl to wager with you on that. November 2010 will show alot, but I doubt you will believe what you see. Let’s see if you still think that way in November 2012.

You miss my point. Take a look at the changing demographics and then consider the groups that the tea-party is either not including or is alienating. Believe me or don’t believe me, but the what the tea-party has to offer is going to appeal to more and more narrow segment of the population; eventually it will either adapt, which means it won’t be anything close to what it is now, or it will die.

So…a Keith Olbermann thread only gets 50 some odd posts, where Maddow gets more than twice that number of commenters. Keith is losing his base….jumped the shark one time too many, even for the liberal loonies.

The O’Donnell/Coons debate perfectly illustrates just how stupid Progressives are… and how stupid our nations future lawyers are — but that’s probably not much of a surprise.

O’Donnell was right, nowhere in the Constitution is there a separation of church and state, which stupid elitist Progressives arrogantly scoffed at. Might have helped if they’d actually ever read the damn document before, then they’d know that Bill of Rights contains the ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE, not separation of church and state which comes from a Thomas Jefferson letter — and it’s not even an exact quote — ten years after the Bill of Rights was ratified.

Olbermann ranting away with rabid foam flinging from his mouth…talking in overly long, boring, drawn out sentences…all while mentally deluding himself yet again that he’s some kind of actual journalist or even a good sportscaster, whose opinion anyone gives a crap about.

Now THAT is living on a separate plane of existence!

Everyone knows there was something very odd and troubling about the relationship Keith Olbermann had with his mother, who died back in 2009, leaving him alone. Given that, it’s extremely interesting to see the intense hatred he always displays towards any conservative, pro-choice woman. You can actually see the red hot hatred in his eyes whenever he attacks any woman daring to oppose the killing of unborn children at any age. It’s intense for the man. It’s almost like, in his eyes, women must have that murderous impulse to kill children in order to excite and attract him. Again, I bring up his mommy.

Oh, and Olbermann has his mother’s butt. Even weirder.

Corrected version:
Everyone knows there was something very odd and troubling about the relationship Keith Olbermann had with his mother, who died back in 2009, leaving him alone. Given that, it’s extremely interesting to see the intense hatred he always displays towards any conservative, anti-abortion woman. You can actually see the red hot hatred in his eyes whenever he attacks any woman daring to oppose the killing of unborn children at any age. It’s intense for the man. It’s almost like, in his eyes, women must have that murderous impulse to kill children in order to excite and attract him. Again, I bring up his mommy.

In a sense, Tea Party people ARE on a different plane of existence as compares with Modern Liberals/Progressives.

This explains why there is so little common ground. The problem for Olbermann is the Tea Party people and other people are the normal ones.

Here is why: our belief systems are different. It’s not exactly a different plane of existence. Normal people measure success as when things are better or can get better. Normal people’s instant reaction is to find the solution that attempts to make things better for the most people over time.

Modern Liberals/Progressives don’t work like this. For them, success is measures as when things are “equal.” It’s a huge difference.

When more traditional people are working to make things better, liberals hate it! It’s because success means things are not “equal.” This is why liberals hate corporations, companies, CEO’s, etc. By hating them, they can work to control these groups so as to stifle success.

This is where human-caused Global Warming came from. Notice how every other explanation is dismissed. Instead, with liberals, all roads lead to it being human caused. This way, they can control things.

All of this is where the Socialism comes from.

As you dig into this, what you find is this deep-down Modern Liberalism/Progressivism is really a mental disorder. Were out there trying to make thing better and these liberals hate it!

Everyone should find some quiet time and watch (and absorb) the video called “How Modern Liberals Think”. It’s by a guy named Evan Sayet, who used to be a writer for Bill Maher. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

disenlightened said:
Everyone knows there was something very odd and troubling about the relationship Keith Olbermann had with his mother, who died back in 2009, leaving him alone… Again, I bring up his mommy.

Shhhh! Not to loud! Keith might hear you!

And then we’ll then be subjected to weeks of boring ass segments or ridiculous talking point memos of Keith working through his mommy issues, the same way he went on the air and — in my opinion — came off as a whiny bitch and manipulative media ass when he used his father’s impending death to press for Obamacare.

And make no mistake, let me be TOTALLY clear about this. I’m sorry for his loss of a family member. I can easily say that on a human and Christian level, since I lost a family member not too long ago myself. I can be incredibly sincere in saying that.

ON THE OTHER HAND…Keith wasn’t the first human on the face of this planet to lose a loved one, and he certainly won’t be the last. And the way Olbermann literally USED his father’s illness…with those ridiculously hammy nightly segments, while dressed in street clothes as if he were a “common man”… all to advance his progressive beliefs and to use his TV show as a nightly platform to outright shill for Obamacare was TRULY one of the most shameless things I’d seen on TV in ages.

So, I can’t wait for the Republicans to start rolling it back or outright repealing it. Seriously, Olbermann will be like a character in the old horror movie SCANNERS, and we’ll all be able to watch his brain explode on TV as he has to report it.

You bet your bippy, Keith. Your planet is so far out there, they changed the rules and no longer call it a planet, just a rock. Although, to be truthful, I didn’t know that life stupid or not could exist on it.

The Real Royal King said:
I am not sure that a lurch to the left by the Democrats is inevitable. The rightward trajectory of the Republicans is going to free up space in the middle. I think Democrats may take up that space.

Yeh, like cancer filling a colon.

Democrats have always been good at taking up space.

Ted- said:
You miss my point. Take a look at the changing demographics and then consider the groups that the tea-party is either not including or is alienating. Believe me or don’t believe me, but the what the tea-party has to offer is going to appeal to more and more narrow segment of the population; eventually it will either adapt, which means it won’t be anything close to what it is now, or it will die.

Your point is that you are a racist and you believe that changing demographics means that translates into democrat votes. You think these folks are stupid and want your government handouts and socialism. They are not the stupid ones. YOU are the stupid one.
Now go back to your padded room and play with your dolls.

notsofast said:
What? You had sex with a man for a change?

So I take it that you think because I take up for Rachel that I am a lesbian. Sorry to disappoint you. I am an “old” white straight women. An exrepublican turned independent because of brain dead pople like you who give republicans a bad name.

gordonbloyershow said:
I will get it when you use a REAL name and quit being a coward.

Actually I agree with you Blower about hiding behind a REAL name. I can’t use my real name because of my occupation. Please, please, honey don’t hold that against me!

notsofast said:
How much are you charging this year to haunt a house?

Ahhh I almost missed this nice remark. I haven’t decided as yet what the price will be. I am a rather smart money person so I imagine I will make a good profit whatever I decide to charge. I don’t think you playing Phil Spector will be much of a hit myself but we shall see.

Big Dumb Ape said:
Shhhh! Not to loud! Keith might hear you! And then we’ll then be subjected to weeks of boring ass segments or ridiculous talking point memos of Keith working through his mommy issues, the same way he went on the air and — in my opinion — came off as a whiny bitch and manipulative media ass when he used his father’s impending death to press for Obamacare. And make no mistake, let me be TOTALLY clear about this. I’m sorry for his loss of a family member. I can easily say that on a human and Christian level, since I lost a family member not too long ago myself. I can be incredibly sincere in saying that. ON THE OTHER HAND…Keith wasn’t the first human on the face of this planet to lose a loved one, and he certainly won’t be the last. And the way Olbermann literally USED his father’s illness…with those ridiculously hammy nightly segments, while dressed in street clothes as if he were a “common man”… all to advance his progressive beliefs and to use his TV show as a nightly platform to outright shill for Obamacare was TRULY one of the most shameless things I’d seen on TV in ages. So, I can’t wait for the Republicans to start rolling it back or outright repealing it. Seriously, Olbermann will be like a character in the old horror movie SCANNERS, and we’ll all be able to watch his brain explode on TV as he has to report it.

You really are a DUMB BIG APE. I don’t so much like KO but you are a sad person to pick on the death of his parents.

P.S. If he is so boring why did you watch? Hey it isn’t like you don’t have other choices.

Maddow and Olberman really made me consider my affiliation as being a liberal. Their intolerance and demonization tactics are deplorable. They make me sick. Viva Juan Williams. The most rational liberal out there who is willing to have open dialogue with others. And Right on to Big Dumb Ape. I am now an independent voter leaning more and more to the right.

There is little doubt that the divide between right and left is growing into a chasm and much of that has to do with the increasingly different views of what is real.

The cave that Plato describes in his allegory has little on the complicated scenario introduced by digital medium… With so many people able to cast shadows people sit in their shackled cohorts remarking upon an increasingly wide and fantastical set of interpretations, certain that their shadows and stories are real.

As in the allegory, even if someone has been freed and returns to tell of wider things they are believed crippled as a consequence of their changed sight.

The question becomes, “how do you know if it you who sits chained enjoying the reality of the shadows”.

Let’s test two interpretations of the same event…the firing of Mr. Williams by NPR.

“Williams’ presence on the largely conservative and often contentious prime-time talk shows of Fox News has long been a sore point with NPR News executives.”- official statement

“In short, Juan Williams’ termination by NPR can, indeed, teach all of us much about the shariah-mandated stealth jihad we are up against and the threat it poses to our freedom of expression – and, unless it is stopped, to our Constitution and nation.  This is not, of course, the sort of lesson Vivian Schiller has in mind.  But if her indefensible action winds up helping the rest of us learn what we have to about our enemies, foreign and domestic, with his sacrifice, Juan Williams may just have rendered an incalculable service to his country.”- Frank Gaffney

Which is true and which is the fantastical imagining of those dedicated to shadow?

angiepangie said:
Maddow and Olberman really made me consider my affiliation as being a liberal. Their intolerance and demonization tactics are deplorable. They make me sick. Viva Juan Williams. The most rational liberal out there who is willing to have open dialogue with others. And Right on to Big Dumb Ape. I am now an independent voter leaning more and more to the right.

Well, the Right isn’t perfect, but I have found it having tools to get better – something that the Left doesn’t have.

The only answer for all of us is to read as much as we can and seek the truth. Good luck.

I don’t know if I would call it a separate plane of existence. They are such space cadets that they likely are not in reality. The TEA Party is a farce and a Republican trick to get more votes.

What is all this crap that left and right wingers are so different. Both want power. The right wing wants to give all the power of the nation to corporations and the left-wing wants to give it to the people. Regardless, power and not politics appears to be the objective of both.

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that MSNBC, and Olbermann’s broadcasting studio is in one of the bathrooms at Foxnews. Every time I hear Olbermann make a remark, I can almost hear a toilet flushing.

So is the Tea Party really interested in reducing the deficit? Is this REALLY an important issue to those posters on here who claim to be represented by the Tea Party?

I love it…. My question gets a “thumbs down” in place of an answer. I really want to know …do the Tea Party advocates on here really care about reducing the deficit?

DrinkURtea said:
I love it…. My question gets a “thumbs down” in place of an answer. I really want to know …do the Tea Party advocates on here really care about reducing the deficit?

Duh, yes. Are you dense. do the research.

I will SOOOO enjoy watching the 2010 House and Governor race results. Not sure about the Senate, but with campaigning hard on the Left Coast the Democrats may lose Boxer, Murray AND Reid, and wouldn’t THAT be a kick. It will be fun watching the MSM tell us all how it wasn’t REALLY a repudiation of President Obama and his agenda, it was … well, the Democratic voters were raptured to another plane and are now on their way to Alpha Centuri, but will be back in time to re-elect Obama in 2012.

BlackWidow said:
You really are a DUMB BIG APE. I don’t so much like KO but you are a sad person to pick on the death of his parents.

First of all, the name was Big Dumb Ape. You reversed the words. But then again why should I be surprised since BASIC READING COMPREHENSION is something you obviously lack?

You said I’m a sad person to pick on the death of his parents, except that’s NOT what I did. In fact, Ms. Reading Abilities Challenged, I specifically said (quote): “And make no mistake, let me be TOTALLY clear about this. I’m sorry for his loss of a family member. I can easily say that on a human and Christian level, since I lost a family member not too long ago myself. I can be incredibly sincere in saying that.”

The point I WAS making, however — that you were too clueless to follow — was that it was OLBERMANN who was milking his father’s illness to push his progressive backing of Obamacare. Hence his shameless night after night “updates” on his father’s stay in the hospital, to try and milk all the sympathy he could from the situation to get people to rally behind Obama.

In short, let me say it clear for the terminally STUPID here.
On a human and Christian level, I’m sorry for the loss in his family.
I hope his father is resting in peace and is in a better place.

However — that said — Olbermann utterly and completely and shamelessly “pimped out” his father’s hospital stay for political purposes…and that is a cold, hard FACT.

Alz said:
Everyone should find some quiet time and watch (and absorb) the video called “How Modern Liberals Think”. It’s by a guy named Evan Sayet, who used to be a writer for Bill Maher. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

Why don’t conservatives bear this in mind as they watch…

How conservatives think:

“All through the day – I, me, mine; I, me, mine; I, me, mine. All through the night – I, me, mine; I, me, mine; I, me, mine. I, me, me, mine! I, me, me, mine! I, me, me, mine!”

…and the beat goes on…

Alz said:
DrinkURtea said:
I love it…. My question gets a “thumbs down” in place of an answer. I really want to know …do the Tea Party advocates on here really care about reducing the deficit?

Duh, yes. Are you dense. do the research.

Um, no. They want to preserve the Bush tax cuts that already exploded the deficit and will continue to explode the deficit if made permanent. But wait! There’s more! Yes, you guessed it, the Tea Party solution to deficits is a brand new concept just unveiled this year called “reduced spending.” Yes, indeed, folks! This newfangled idea is so fresh and new, the Bush administration has-beens are kicking themselves for not having this amazing breakthrough at their disposal… step right up, folks – these bottles of snake oil are going fast!

Tea Party utopian dreams: no government = total freedom.

Reality: total freedom = anarchy.

The Real Royal King says:
“I am not sure that a lurch to the left by the Democrats is inevitable. The rightward trajectory of the Republicans is going to free up space in the middle. I think Democrats may take up that space.”

I’ve read analysis by Paul Waldman and heard on some show that this next Congress will be more divided than the one we have if the Republicans take over there.

There is only one better argument for voting for Democratics than to realize that no domestic issues will get resolved if the R’s control Congress. Instead progress already made will get defunded, they will attempt to shut the gov’t down and some moron or two will want to impeach Obama because he hasn’t personally shown some Tea Party Congressman from the state of Dumbfukistan his birth certificate. Everyone who wants a dysfunctional government should vote Republican Nov. 2nd.

The biggest reason to unseat Republicans is because of the Dred Scott decision of our time, i.e. CU v FEC. Everyone who wants to have a government of the rich, for the rich and by the rich (plutocracy) should vote for R’s this November. That’s the overriding issue of this and probably the next elections. The Party of Lincoln has become the Party of “Don’t tax the rich” and to hell with the middle class.

Spread this far and wide. Take 10 minutes. Using e-mail, FB, Twitter, etc, please share this URL with every undecided and independent voter you know. Have them share it. Glenn Beck was caught with his hand in the cookie jar of the plutocrats. Share this URL:

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/becks-fake-populism-exposed-he-sides.html

Well if we put aside the last part of Olberman’s comment (which was clealry meant to inflame), I think we can agree on one thing based on this comment thread:

Clearly the left and the right in this country live in totally different worlds (and that is not a comment about the validity of anyone’s views). It is amazing if you stop and step back a second to see how the same set of facts are viewed depending on the slant of the viewer.

Who IS (or WAS) Keith Olbermann?

Change that to: Glenn Beck was hobnobbing with the plutocrats. No hands anywhere.

I’m like a lot of tea party supporters in being pleased to be on a different plane of existance than is KO and his cronies. We tend to believe that we live in the best country on earth, and that it will continue to get better if we hold true to the Constitution. Good enough for us to work for.

gordonbloyershow says: “You think these folks are stupid and want your government handouts and socialism.”

Another unsophisticated remark from our resident loon reactionary. He can throw that idiot claim about “your” “socialism,” but call him and Beck and other mentally challenged reactionaries on that and Blowhard calls you (me) a liar. Again, Gordon needs to get up on a step ladder and take a hard, long look in the mirror. That’s where the deceiver is Gordon Bumpkin, Blowhard, Bloyer.

I’ve read analysis by Paul Waldman and heard on some show that this next Congress will be more divided than the one we have if the Republicans take over there.

There is only one better argument for voting for Democratics than to realize that no domestic issues will get resolved if the R’s control Congress. Instead progress already made will get defunded, they will attempt to shut the gov’t down and some moron or two will want to impeach Obama because he hasn’t personally shown some Tea Party Congressman from the state of Dumbfukistan his birth certificate. Everyone who wants a dysfunctional government should vote Republican Nov. 2nd.

The biggest reason to unseat Republicans is because of the Dred Scott decision of our time, i.e. CU v FEC. Everyone who wants to have a government of the rich, for the rich and by the rich (plutocracy) should vote for R’s this November. That’s the overriding issue of this and probably the next elections. The Party of Lincoln has become the Party of “Don’t tax the rich” and to hell with the middle class.

Spread this far and wide. Take 10 minutes. Using e-mail, FB, Twitter, etc, please share this URL with every undecided and independent voter you know. Have them share it. “Populist” Glenn Beck was caught hobnobbing with the plutocrats. Share this URL:

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/becks-fake-populism-exposed-he-sides.html

GlennBeckReview said:
Instead progress already made will get defunded,

Sorry, the “progress” that you describe is negative. We’re going backwards. It didn’t start under Obama, but more like many decades ago. The changes in the 60′s were terrible and what Obama is doing now is even more terrible.

Bush’s spending was bad too. Reagan was an anomaly.

The middle class is being destroyed now. As we all see, things are not getting better. Things are getting “equal” – where more and more people are dependent on government and are equally poor.

Liberalism is NOT an alternate approach to make things better, it’s an approach to force everything to be “equal”.

When Obama talked about “sacrifice”, what he meant is that we are all to sacrifice success – some with lost jobs, some with lower pay, etc. – while they transform our once vibrant Democratic Capitalism to their form of Socialism.

And when Obama talks about “hope”, what he means is that we are all to hope that things don’t get too bad.

Alz said:
Liberalism is NOT an alternate approach to make things better, it’s an approach to force everything to be “equal”.

Bullshit. You’re describing the purest form of communism, not liberalism. And yes, there is a difference, a BIG difference. Of course you know that and just want to conflate liberals with communists, as has been the M.O. of the right wing since McCarthy. The TRUE communists are the CEOs that REALLY DO want to make everyone “equal” – equally dependent on unelected, non-sovereign, unpatriotic, transnational corporations that treat America and Iran as “equals. Governments are filled with patriots – like them or not, they’re patriots because it’s their ass in the sling. Corporations have no such people in their midst – profits before patriotism, always. THAT is what you’re defending and trying to champion – profits before patriotism. That’s what this Tea Party is – the antithesis of the original Tea Party – profits before patriotism. Country First? My ass!

Alz said:
When Obama talked about “sacrifice”, what he meant is that we are all to sacrifice success – some with lost jobs, some with lower pay, etc. – while they transform our once vibrant Democratic Capitalism to their form of Socialism.

Total fucking bullshit, as usual. The GOP are traitors, straight up, and you love them for it. They are selling our country to the highest bidder and you think that’s fucking awesome. What a patriot you are! Fucking parasite.

Alz said:
“Liberalism is NOT an alternate approach to make things better, it’s an approach to force everything to be “equal”.”

Paul Westlake says:
“Bullshit. You’re describing the purest form of communism, not liberalism. And yes, there is a difference, a BIG difference. Of course you know that and just want to conflate liberals with communists, as has been the M.O. of the right wing since McCarthy. The TRUE communists are the CEOs that REALLY DO want to make everyone “equal” – equally dependent on unelected, non-sovereign, unpatriotic, transnational corporations that treat America and Iran as “equals. Governments are filled with patriots – like them or not, they’re patriots because it’s their ass in the sling. Corporations have no such people in their midst – profits before patriotism, always. THAT is what you’re defending and trying to champion – profits before patriotism. That’s what this Tea Party is – the antithesis of the original Tea Party – profits before patriotism.”

Thank you Paul. Part of the problem is that the distinction between liberalism and radicalism is not taught in schools. Therefore, Beck and others on FoxPAC can conflate the two different world views and render them equivalent. They’re not of course. Liberals strive for a level playing field; radicals strive for equal results, a tie (more or less) for everyone. For more on this, see: http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/06/what-is-glenn-beck-politically.html

Paul Westlake said:
Bullshit. You’re describing the purest form of communism, not liberalism. And yes, there is a difference, a BIG difference. Of course you know that and just want to conflate liberals with communists, as has been the M.O. of the right wing since McCarthy. The TRUE communists are the CEOs that REALLY DO want to make everyone “equal” – equally dependent on unelected, non-sovereign, unpatriotic, transnational corporations that treat America and Iran as “equals. Governments are filled with patriots – like them or not, they’re patriots because it’s their ass in the sling. Corporations have no such people in their midst – profits before patriotism, always. THAT is what you’re defending and trying to champion – profits before patriotism. That’s what this Tea Party is – the antithesis of the original Tea Party – profits before patriotism. Country First? My ass!

Total fucking bullshit, as usual. The GOP are traitors, straight up, and you love them for it. They are selling our country to the highest bidder and you think that’s fucking awesome. What a patriot you are! Fucking parasite.

There is nothing to conflate – it’s ALL Leftism. In case you missed it, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism, Fascism, Modern Liberalism, etc. ARE ALL COUSINS. The Left sucks as it doesn’t help people.

In case you missed it, corporations are organizations – just like government. They are filled with people.

You hate “corporations” but you ignore the corruption in government – which is far, far worse.

Look at what is happening now? Fully 40% of government spending is phony. They are screwing everyone. It makes Enron look like a tiny lemonade stand.

And the reason things aren’t working is precisely because we have moved away from our Founding principles.

This is why the Tea Party thinking is rising. It’s a revolt against both Liberal Democrats and Liberal Republicans. It perked up when Ross Perot ran for President and now the liberal Congress and Obama have ignited it.

What you don’t get is the Tea Party people don’t like the corporate corruption either. We just see a way out of all of this and you don’t. Your default answer is more government, but we all can see that won’t work.

Alz said:
ARE ALL COUSINS

Only inasmuch as conservatism and fascism are cousins… in other words, not so much.

Alz said:
In case you missed it, corporations are organizations – just like government. They are filled with people.

No shit, Sherlock. They are UNELECTED organizations, that are TOTALLY UNACCOUNTABLE to the people, EXCEPT in our capacity as SOVEREIGNS with a representative government that is, ostensibly, designed to do the people’s bidding, including policing private interests like transnational corporations. I don’t hate “corporations,” moron, New York City is a corporation, and I heart NY. It’s about unaccountable, transnational corporations without a patriotic bone in their institutional body, irrespective of the people they employ.

Alz said:
Fully 40% of government spending is phony.

There’s no such thing as phony spending. Spending is spending. The money goes somewhere. If it’s “corruption” you’re talking about, prove it, or at least cite a non-right wing website that has done factual research on the subject. Your conjecture is pure bullshit.

Alz said:
And the reason things aren’t working is precisely because we have moved away from our Founding principles.

Which founding principles? Be specific.

Alz said:
This is why the Tea Party thinking is rising. It’s a revolt against both Liberal Democrats and Liberal Republicans.

One, no it isn’t rising. It plateaued a month ago and has been declining ever since. And two, it’s not a revolt against anything GOP, except those former elected officials that don’t have political ambitions anymore and are safe to lump in with liberals, like Bush Jr. The Tea Party may have STARTED as a bi-partisan movement, but it was co-opted by GOP affiliated right wing groups like FreedomWorks and populist bullshit artists like Sarah Palin and Rand Paul a long time ago. It’s the God, guns, and gays wing of the extreme right in the GOP and that’s all it is anymore. And more Americans are figuring that out every day.

Alz said:
What you don’t get is the Tea Party people don’t like the corporate corruption either. We just see a way out of all of this and you don’t. Your default answer is more government, but we all can see that won’t work.

The way you see out of this is not a way out, it’s a way deeper in. Government regulation literally created the wealth and power of the United States. Without it, we’d be about the same as Canada right now, which, you may know, remained under British rule and the power of the corporate monopolies created by the crown, while America decentralized its economy and pulled ahead of the entire world in one century. Decentralizing REQUIRES government regulations, because the ENTIRE history of the human race has proven CONCLUSIVELY that unchecked wealth and power can only continue to concentrate itself in the hands of the wealthy and powerful, which is detrimental to a healthy economy, on a local, regional, national, or global scale. Macro and micro economics are inseparable from each other, but corporate multinationals don’t care about longevity, they care about profits now, tomorrow be damned. Did you want to eat genetically modified food today? Too bad, you did. Because corporations made that decision behind closed doors and now the American food supply is rife with GM foods. And the tiny amount of legitimate research that has been done to date shows extremely harmful long-term impacts of GM crops, both in agriculture and human health. The free market can’t fix that, because the free market only values thrift. When people start getting diagnosed with cancer down the road, and the cause is traced back to GM tomatoes or whatever, people like you will be the first ones jumping up and down about how the government was supposed to protect you. Lead paint on toys and toxic chemicals in toothpaste imported from China and you want to let the Chinese protect American consumers by self-policing? The Chinese!? You should be one of the people marching on Washington to stop the incestuous relationship our government has allowed to develop between our corporations and the unapologetically authoritarian, communist regime in China. But instead, you joined up with the Tea Party, and y’all march on Washington to protect Chinese workers instead. You may not realize it, but that’s exactly what you’re doing.

Tea Partiers are desperate to convince people that we don’t understand them, because they don’t understand themselves, have no fucking clue what they even for, and have dug a hole for themselves too deep to climb out of. It might be enough to put the GOP over the top in a couple weeks, if it holds. But this is the last gasp right here. See ya in November! ;-)

GlennBeckReview said:
Part of the problem is that the distinction between liberalism and radicalism is not taught in schools.

Among many things… ;-)

GlennBeckReview said:
Therefore, Beck and others on FoxPAC can conflate the two different world views and render them equivalent.

I’m often tempted to steal candy from babies by making up utterly bullshit t-shirt designs and selling them at Tea Party events – “Obamacare is an Obamination.” I could make a million dollars in a month but there aren’t enough showers on planet earth to clean me off. ;-)

GlennBeckReview said:
Liberals strive for a level playing field; radicals strive for equal results, a tie (more or less) for everyone. For more on this, see: http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/06/what-is-glenn-beck-politically.html

It’s the level playing field that scares the piss out of the conservative elite – they haven’t had to compete for almost anything they’ve received in their lives and the thought of having to actually prove merit, show results, or otherwise compete in an equitable marketplace is beyond terrifying to them. They know they’re losers in any other economy but the one they’ve created that favors only them and, like rats in a corner, vicious is the only response they know or have. The silver lining, of course, is that their desperation is beginning to show. We’re reaching a tipping point that will become much more evident after this election. The next two years will tell us a lot about America’s near-term future. I’m keeping my passport current. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
Bullshit. You’re describing the purest form of communism, not liberalism. And yes, there is a difference, a BIG difference. Of course you know that and just want to conflate liberals with communists, as has been the M.O. of the right wing since McCarthy. The TRUE communists are the CEOs that REALLY DO want to make everyone “equal” – equally dependent on unelected, non-sovereign, unpatriotic, transnational corporations that treat America and Iran as “equals. Governments are filled with patriots – like them or not, they’re patriots because it’s their ass in the sling. Corporations have no such people in their midst – profits before patriotism, always. THAT is what you’re defending and trying to champion – profits before patriotism. That’s what this Tea Party is – the antithesis of the original Tea Party – profits before patriotism. Country First? My ass!

Total fucking bullshit, as usual. The GOP are traitors, straight up, and you love them for it. They are selling our country to the highest bidder and you think that’s fucking awesome. What a patriot you are! Fucking parasite.

As the saying goes, you want a little cheese to go with that WHINE?
(insert mocking Rodney Dangerfield eye roll here…)

Seriously, the best you can come up with is “the GOP are traitors to the country” and calling people who disagree with you “fucking parasites”? No wonder Progressives and Liberals are going to get the ASS KICKING of lifetime from the average American in 10 days, who’ve all gotten bored and tired by the Left’s holier than thou attitude that they love to lord over everyone.

I call tell you one thing for sure — bars all across America will be ecstatic on election night. That’s because Libs like Paul will be out in force drowning to their sorrows in drinks all night long!

Big Dumb Ape said:
Seriously, the best you can come up with is “the GOP are traitors to the country” and calling people who disagree with you “fucking parasites”?

No, those were the opinions I attached to the substance of my comment, which included:

Paul Westlake said:
The TRUE communists are the CEOs that REALLY DO want to make everyone “equal” – equally dependent on unelected, non-sovereign, unpatriotic, transnational corporations that treat America and Iran as “equals.” Governments are filled with patriots – like them or not, they’re patriots because it’s their ass in the sling. Corporations have no such people in their midst – profits before patriotism, always.

You said nothing about that, zero about the main point of my comment. And yet you have the impudence to say, “the best you can come up with is…” and think it’ll stick? Buddy, if that’s your best, fold the tents now.

As for election day, we’ll see. If the Tea Partiers take control of Congress, the GOP will instantly reclaim ownership of a bad economy and the biggest foreclosure crisis yet. The policies are wrong and self-defeating for America, so even if the ultra-right wins this battle, they will only hasten their loss in the war. Enjoy!

Paul Westlake said:
Only inasmuch as conservatism and fascism are cousins… in other words, not so much.

No shit, Sherlock. They are UNELECTED organizations, that are TOTALLY UNACCOUNTABLE to the people, EXCEPT in our capacity as SOVEREIGNS with a representative government that is, ostensibly, designed to do the people’s bidding, including policing private interests like transnational corporations. I don’t hate “corporations,” moron, New York City is a corporation, and I heart NY. It’s about unaccountable, transnational corporations without a patriotic bone in their institutional body, irrespective of the people they employ.

There’s no such thing as phony spending. Spending is spending. The money goes somewhere. If it’s “corruption” you’re talking about, prove it, or at least cite a non-right wing website that has done factual research on the subject. Your conjecture is pure bullshit.

Which founding principles? Be specific.

One, no it isn’t rising. It plateaued a month ago and has been declining ever since. And two, it’s not a revolt against anything GOP, except those former elected officials that don’t have political ambitions anymore and are safe to lump in with liberals, like Bush Jr. The Tea Party may have STARTED as a bi-partisan movement, but it was co-opted by GOP affiliated right wing groups like FreedomWorks and populist bullshit artists like Sarah Palin and Rand Paul a long time ago. It’s the God, guns, and gays wing of the extreme right in the GOP and that’s all it is anymore. And more Americans are figuring that out every day.

The way you see out of this is not a way out, it’s a way deeper in. Government regulation literally created the wealth and power of the United States. Without it, we’d be about the same as Canada right now, which, you may know, remained under British rule and the power of the corporate monopolies created by the crown, while America decentralized its economy and pulled ahead of the entire world in one century. Decentralizing REQUIRES government regulations, because the ENTIRE history of the human race has proven CONCLUSIVELY that unchecked wealth and power can only continue to concentrate itself in the hands of the wealthy and powerful, which is detrimental to a healthy economy, on a local, regional, national, or global scale. Macro and micro economics are inseparable from each other, but corporate multinationals don’t care about longevity, they care about profits now, tomorrow be damned. Did you want to eat genetically modified food today? Too bad, you did. Because corporations made that decision behind closed doors and now the American food supply is rife with GM foods. And the tiny amount of legitimate research that has been done to date shows extremely harmful long-term impacts of GM crops, both in agriculture and human health. The free market can’t fix that, because the free market only values thrift. When people start getting diagnosed with cancer down the road, and the cause is traced back to GM tomatoes or whatever, people like you will be the first ones jumping up and down about how the government was supposed to protect you. Lead paint on toys and toxic chemicals in toothpaste imported from China and you want to let the Chinese protect American consumers by self-policing? The Chinese!? You should be one of the people marching on Washington to stop the incestuous relationship our government has allowed to develop between our corporations and the unapologetically authoritarian, communist regime in China. But instead, you joined up with the Tea Party, and y’all march on Washington to protect Chinese workers instead. You may not realize it, but that’s exactly what you’re doing.

Tea Partiers are desperate to convince people that we don’t understand them, because they don’t understand themselves, have no fucking clue what they even for, and have dug a hole for themselves too deep to climb out of. It might be enough to put the GOP over the top in a couple weeks, if it holds. But this is the last gasp right here. See ya in November! ;-)

How can you say Fascism is on the right? The Right is about limited government and individual freedom. Fascism is about central control over people.

The corporate part is like how Obama has intertwined GM and companies like GE (especially as it relates to healthcare and energy). What we have is a some Fascism now too.

The baggers are from another planet! Their wacky thoughts . No, not the fake christian morals. With all the told bagger lies, fear, hate, get your gun, there is little room for morals in that party! All these promises to the un-informed sheep, that they can’t keep! The baggers started the “hell no” crap! How will anything get done without the Senate or by the “bagger” hell no veto! All you have done is scare people into fearing something thats not there! Be proud! Long live the hate!

Alz said:
How can you say Fascism is on the right? The Right is about limited government and individual freedom. Fascism is about central control over people.

The corporate part is like how Obama has intertwined GM and companies like GE (especially as it relates to healthcare and energy). What we have is a some Fascism now too.

Nice selective reply to my points. You missed like 75%. As for the parts you commented on because you thought you were right – you’re wrong. ;-)

The right is NOT about limited government, that’s just what they say in response to programs they don’t like. The right is all about massive government for war and law enforcement, including enforcement of social behavior laws, like a total ban on abortion. Valuing individual freedom over all other forms of liberty is libertarianism, which is centrist chaos. Communism is control and order but waaaay on the left. Fascism is control and order but waaaay on the right. Look it up.

GE has been intertwined with the government as a component of the defense industry since before WWII. And it was Ford and GM and Chrysler that built all those tanks and bombers in that war. Government involvement with big corporations is as old as DuPont selling the Union 90% of the gunpowder used in the civil war. This is typical of the right wing propagandist bullshit that blames everything old on the new guy:
- http://www.yourfunnystuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/I-Fucked-You-All-But-Thanks-For-Blaming-the-Black-Guy.jpg

Paul Westlake said:
Nice selective reply to my points. You missed like 75%. As for the parts you commented on because you thought you were right – you’re wrong. ;-)

The right is NOT about limited government, that’s just what they say in response to programs they don’t like. The right is all about massive government for war and law enforcement, including enforcement of social behavior laws, like a total ban on abortion. Valuing individual freedom over all other forms of liberty is libertarianism, which is centrist chaos. Communism is control and order but waaaay on the left. Fascism is control and order but waaaay on the right. Look it up.

GE has been intertwined with the government as a component of the defense industry since before WWII. And it was Ford and GM and Chrysler that built all those tanks and bombers in that war. Government involvement with big corporations is as old as DuPont selling the Union 90% of the gunpowder used in the civil war. This is typical of the right wing propagandist bullshit that blames everything old on the new guy:
- http://www.yourfunnystuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/I-Fucked-You-All-But-Thanks-For-Blaming-the-Black-Guy.jpg

I responded to what i wanted to, just as you do. Your understanding of Fascism is a huge problem.

I’ve explained enough so most people who use reason can advance their thinking. But for avoidance of doubt, there is no time along the Left-Right continuum where Limited Government and Individual Freedom turn into Fascism. Fascism is to the left because it’s about more control. The collusion with companies is just a feature and, at some point, those companies just become an extension of government. This is not Conservative.

As for the Right, let’s be clear, I am talking about Conservatives, not Republicans. There are plenty of big spending Republicans and plenty of Liberal Republicans.

Your GE statements are true, but the extent of government involvement has grown dramatically in recent years. That’s what I was talking about.

Someone else pointed out this video on the various forms of government. It’s a nice little explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRQ76FYvw7M

Alz said:
there is no time along the Left-Right continuum where Limited Government and Individual Freedom turn into Fascism.

I didn’t say they did. What I said was that individual freedom over societal liberty is libertarian and leads to chaos and anarchy. I further said that conservatives who say they believe in limited government are full of shit because they’re all for massive government when it comes to programs they like. Reading comprehension on your end is pretty low right now, so “most people who use reason” can only “advance their thinking” if their thinking is already right wing… and then nothing is advancing… trust me.

Alz said:
The collusion with companies is just a feature and, at some point, those companies just become an extension of government.

So DuPont is now run by the government? Along with Bechtel, Koch Industries, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Grumman, ALCOA, Allied Signal, and so on? Your theory is just that – theory. There is no instance where what you describe has happened in the United States – not one. We should have nationalized the oil industry decades ago, but we didn’t and now we’re all suffering for it. Government take-over of entire industries if a right wing myth… as with most right wing ideology.

Alz said:
As for the Right, let’s be clear, I am talking about Conservatives, not Republicans. There are plenty of big spending Republicans and plenty of Liberal Republicans.

Name a liberal Republican still serving in Congress. Name one.

Alz said:
Your GE statements are true, but the extent of government involvement has grown dramatically in recent years. That’s what I was talking about.

No it hasn’t. Not in the slightest. Government involvement increased with GM and Chrysler after they were bailed out, which is exactly what taxpayers should demand our government do with our tax dollars – watch them carefully. And, by the way, TARP was forced through by the Republican leadership under George Bush, and NOBODY monitored THAT money. That GOP leadership is NOT liberal. Deal with it.

Alz said:
Someone else pointed out this video on the various forms of government. It’s a nice little explanation:

It’s a nice, comforting explanation for people on the right who want to believe they’re perfect and never make a mistake or get anything wrong. But it has nothing to do with actually political science. It’s typical of the right wing philosophy that bases credibility on relationships and associations, not facts. If it sounds like it makes the right look perfect and noble, it MUST be true. If it sounds like it makes the left look even marginally reasonable, it MUST be a lie.

You and your ultra-right wing cohorts are completely and utterly full of shit. Slick propaganda may be convincing to the idiots who march in lock-step with people they perceive to be “the winners,” but it makes ZERO impact on people with a dram of historical education and half a brain to use. Good grief!

This is your mind on Glenn Beck –Alz says: “Fully 40% of government spending is phony. They are screwing everyone. ”

Glenn Beck, the most toxic source of misinformation known to mankind.

Hey Keith this sounds like you are talking about yourself…“living on an entirely separate plane of existence with unicorns and optional gravity and intelligent design and flat Earth societies”.

Uhhhh, hate to break it to you but, Bill O’Reilly, still outdoes you by a minimum of 3 X’s as in you only get 1 million viewers while O’Reilly almost always gets over 3 million viewers. Keith, you really should revamp your style and bring it out of elementary school recess time. Man Up! Grow Up! And stop making your viewers throw up!