Too little, too late!

It aint 2008 Obie. Church is out.

…. Obama still has his fierce supporters – and still has a fierce way with words, when he summons it.

Are you saying a black man has fierce characteristics? This article is obviously racist.

Its about time Obama. Lets fight for the middle class.

Barry needs to learn that passing a lot of 1,000 page unread “reform” bills isn’t good governance or positive accomplishments . You did recieve a lot of personalized championship jerseys though.

HOAXS & CHAINS YOU CAN BELIEVE IN !

“his oratorical skill didn’t disappear with the grind of the presidency – he just needed another campaign.”

Yeah, it’s to bad he has to Govern between Campaigns. sheesh.

murf said:
Barry needs to learn that passing a lot of 1,000 page unread “reform” bills isn’t good governance or positive accomplishments . You did recieve a lot of personalized championship jerseys though.

HOAXS & CHAINS YOU CAN BELIEVE IN !

I guess it couldn’t be any worse than that 2 page Tarp reform bill passed in the middle of the night.

He’s looking like a gunslinger, but does he have any bullets left? A lot of people think his guns are loaded with blanks. His congress certainly went running for the hills. I guess we’ll find out in a month.

It was easy to make a speech when he had no record and got to vote present. Not so much now. They put a tape of him up in Nashville the other night at the reopening of the Grand Ole Opry and there was a collective groan followed by laughter with the bullshit coming out of his mouth about his flood response.

When only the Kool-Aid drinkers are fired up and ready to go, the end is near.

musiccityvic said:
It was easy to make a speech when he had no record and got to vote present. Not so much now. They put a tape of him up in Nashville the other night at the reopening of the Grand Ole Opry and there was a collective groan followed by laughter with the bullshit coming out of his mouth about his flood response.

When only the Kool-Aid drinkers are fired up and ready to go, the end is near.

He lost that state anyway. It was a confederate state, oh excuse me, I mean a red state.

Yoda002 said:
He lost that state anyway. It was a confederate state, oh excuse me, I mean a red state.

That’s a fallible argument to make considering the Republican party was founded by Abe & Co. to abolish slavery. If I were advocating against Republicans, I’d frame my argument in modern politics at least from Clinton on up. Just sayin.’ =)

Yoda002 said:
He lost that state anyway. It was a confederate state, oh excuse me, I mean a red state.

The map will be all red except for the liberal bastions on the coasts, i.e. bankrupt CA and NY. Talk to me after the election. Total rejection and failure is a tough thing to swallow. The 40 year reign lasted less than 2 years

Rogue-Comic said:
That’s a fallible argument to make considering the Republican party was founded by Abe & Co. to abolish slavery. If I were advocating against Republicans, I’d frame my argument in modern politics at least from Clinton on up. Just sayin.’ =)

Hey he can throw that out there. It’s the racist card, played early and often. Hell, Barry was screaming in his horrible speech about it taking time to free the slaves. Our post racial president is anything but. Terrible policies that have collapsed around him and he reverts back to what he knows, community organizing.

Can’t wait to see how popular the republicans will be if they regain control in Nov…Ya know, when they actually have to get off their ass and do something aside from golfing with their oil buddies or laying around in the tanning bed all day. Kinda miss the comedy they throw up everyday!!!

Between the 700 mi tax break for fat cats and throwing all the sick kids off their medical insurance I’m sure it will go along way to getting a republican in the white house in 2012.

Thanks in advance!

By the way just cause people keep sayin there not racist doesn’t make it so! 9 out of 10 murderers claim their not murderers too, right before they lead you to all the bodies!

I guess fox news just wants everyone to believe that all those hillbilly KKK idiots just disappeared into thin air…along with all of their kids and grand kids and their kids and grand kids too right?

Americans are just all too adult here to be racist!!!

musiccityvic said:
The map will be all red except for the liberal bastions on the coasts, i.e. bankrupt CA and NY. Talk to me after the election. Total rejection and failure is a tough thing to swallow. The 40 year reign lasted less than 2 years

Tax revenue returned to the States in the form of spending for fiscal year 2004, the heart of the GOP economic experiment, from the non-partisan, non-profit Tax Foundation – http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1397.html

Being very generous with the purple here… nitpick if you like, but it won’t change the numbers much.

Red States

Alaska $1.87
West Virginia $1.83
Mississippi $1.77
North Dakota $1.73
Alabama $1.71
Montana $1.58
South Dakota $1.49
Oklahoma $1.48
Kentucky $1.45
Louisiana $1.45
South Carolina $1.38
Arizona $1.30
Tennessee $1.30
Idaho $1.28
Utah $1.14
Kansas $1.12
Wyoming $1.11
North Carolina $1.10
Nebraska $1.07
Georgia $0.96
Texas $0.94
Colorado $0.79

Average = $1.36

Purple States

New Mexico $2.00
Virginia $1.66
Arkansas $1.47
Maryland $1.44
Maine $1.40
Missouri $1.29
Iowa $1.11
Pennsylvania $1.06
Florida $1.02
Ohio $1.01
Indiana $0.97
Wisconsin $0.82
Nevada $0.73
New Hampshire $0.67

Avergae = $1.19

Blue States

Hawaii $1.60
Vermont $1.12
Rhode Island $1.02
New Jersey $0.55
Connecticut $0.66
Minnesota $0.69
Illinois $0.73
Massachusetts $0.77
California $0.79
Delaware $0.79
New York $0.79
Oregon $0.97
Washington $0.88
Michigan $0.85

Average = $0.87

Red States get $1.36 back on average
Purple States get $1.19 back on average
Blue States get $0.87 back on average.
NY and CA get $0.79 back each.

No wonder we’re broke, Republicans keep taking all our freaking money. And now they want even more. Half of the Tea Party is collecting money from the government (that are willing to admit it), decrying entitlements and programs they’re currently enjoying, at considerable cost to the bacchanalian abortion lovers who dwell in cities where taxes are actually generated, if you can believe that. Can’t wait to see what Tea Party candidates look like when they become Tea Party politicians. I wonder how many times Tea Party supporters will be forced to split their personalities to justify the same old same old from their newest batch of heroes. Amazing.

” Too late to dig well when honorable house is on fire “. …http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-democrat

murf said:
passing a lot of 1,000 page unread “reform” bills

Actually 2,000 page bills. And written by dumbass Democrats who have sucked on the government tit their entire working life. What does Barney Frank, one of the main culprits in the sub-prime mortgage crisis, know about business? Zero.

Without his teleprompters he couldn’t put together two coherent sentences.

“and the parable of the car stuck in the ditch, where the Republicans are the irresponsible ones who drove the car into the ditch, the Democrats did the hard work trying to get it out while the Republicans watched”

Is that loop ever going to end?
barry and the regime jumped in the car and stepped on the gas…..what happened to 8% unemployment?

“No wonder we’re broke, Republicans keep taking all our freaking money. ”

Who’s money??? There you go ladies and gentleman, the ideological difference, make your choice.

Yoda002 said:
I guess it couldn’t be any worse than that 2 page Tarp reform bill passed in the middle of the night.

You are right, that was.sad deal as well

aceshigh121 said:
By the way just cause people keep sayin there not racist doesn’t make it so! 9 out of 10 murderers claim their not murderers too, right before they lead you to all the bodies!

I guess fox news just wants everyone to believe that all those hillbilly KKK idiots just disappeared into thin air…along with all of their kids and grand kids and their kids and grand kids too right?

Americans are just all too adult here to be racist!!!

I think you are a racist or a moron. Maybe a racist moron.

Patrick Henry said:
I think you are a racist or a moron. Maybe a racist moron.

I just want to know how an asshole like that reconciles non-white non-progressives.

Paul Westlake said:

Red States get $1.36 back on average
Purple States get $1.19 back on average
Blue States get $0.87 back on average.
NY and CA get $0.79 back each.

No wonder we’re broke, Republicans keep taking all our freaking money. And now they want even more. Half of the Tea Party is collecting money from the government (that are willing to admit it), decrying entitlements and programs they’re currently enjoying, at considerable cost to the bacchanalian abortion lovers who dwell in cities where taxes are actually generated, if you can believe that. Can’t wait to see what Tea Party candidates look like when they become Tea Party politicians. I wonder how many times Tea Party supporters will be forced to split their personalities to justify the same old same old from their newest batch of heroes. Amazing.

It’s already happening. As soon as Rand Paul looked bad on TV the republicans swooped in to change his image and his stances on issues began to shift for the cameras.
The RNC is advertising the appearance of Sarah Palin for fund raising. The Tea Party may have been started as a grassroots movement but it’s being absorbed by the GOP, for more of the same. The Tea Party candidates will have to fall in line to get support.

Look people this is the same political change we deal with every 4-8 yrs.! The Republicans eat all the candy and pea on the carpet and the Democrats have to clean up the mess once again!

Republicans spend 2 yrs after the election convincing people that they did not F**k it all while and whining about fiscal responsibility while they actually presided over the biggest deficit since world war II.

Conservatives bitch about Obama spreading the wealth and trying to help the middle class… they can’t even believe we would consider ending the tax cuts for millionaires which I like to call (Wellfare for Wallstreet) because these self righteous individuals need another mercedes in the driveway. They like to claim their riches appeared out of thin air, although for some it did (Inheritance anyone?) when actually most of their fortunes were made on the backs of the middle class and migrant labor, and the American consumers who buy all their cheep plastic crap from China!

Now, they hold the entire economy hostage and tell all their suits on wallstreet and their fat cat oil buddies not to spend a dime until they reagain control of congress when low and behold, magically the money and credit will flow freely once again so they can claim victory, continue to deregulate important industry oversight so their friends and loved ones can rape and pillage the planet, feed us all food with ecoli and poison our water system with the stink of their corporate greed!

But… that big tobacco lobbying check helps them sleep just a little better at night, even while they send thousands of people back onto the same welfare rolls they cry and whine about!

Even going so far as to convince people that unemployment (INSURANCE) is a handout although you’ve paid into it for 30 yrs.! They spend another 4 yrs. handing over important government functions like SECURITY to dipshit privatized corporations so they can claim their hallowed “small government” BS.

And when the Sh*t gets to deep once again and the democrats start cleaning up the playpen once again, the viscous cycle starts all over…once again!

Until Conservatives and right wingers learn that in order to have a functioning – sustainable- system, you will have to share the candy with someone else at some point, then we will remain stuck in this endless dance!

Yeah right the top 3% pay all the taxes in this country you say…right!…off of that 10 cent peice of crap they imported from Asia and sold at a markup up of 500% to consumers who walk in and buy all of their garbage!

But rest easy ladies and gentlemen! If the economy gets too bad their will always be another war to start to give it a kick in the pants once again!

Al Hail Capitalism – Aint it Grand?

Patrick Henry said:
I think you are a racist or a moron. Maybe a racist moron.

and the defense rest yer honor.

Paul Westlake said:
Tax revenue returned to the States in the form of spending for fiscal year 2004, the heart of the GOP economic experiment, from the non-partisan, non-profit Tax Foundation – http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1397.html

Being very generous with the purple here… nitpick if you like, but it won’t change the numbers much.

Red States

Alaska $1.87
West Virginia $1.83
Mississippi $1.77
North Dakota $1.73
Alabama $1.71
Montana $1.58
South Dakota $1.49
Oklahoma $1.48
Kentucky $1.45
Louisiana $1.45
South Carolina $1.38
Arizona $1.30
Tennessee $1.30
Idaho $1.28
Utah $1.14
Kansas $1.12
Wyoming $1.11
North Carolina $1.10
Nebraska $1.07
Georgia $0.96
Texas $0.94
Colorado $0.79

Average = $1.36

Purple States

New Mexico $2.00
Virginia $1.66
Arkansas $1.47
Maryland $1.44
Maine $1.40
Missouri $1.29
Iowa $1.11
Pennsylvania $1.06
Florida $1.02
Ohio $1.01
Indiana $0.97
Wisconsin $0.82
Nevada $0.73
New Hampshire $0.67

Avergae = $1.19

Blue States

Hawaii $1.60
Vermont $1.12
Rhode Island $1.02
New Jersey $0.55
Connecticut $0.66
Minnesota $0.69
Illinois $0.73
Massachusetts $0.77
California $0.79
Delaware $0.79
New York $0.79
Oregon $0.97
Washington $0.88
Michigan $0.85

Average = $0.87

Red States get $1.36 back on average
Purple States get $1.19 back on average
Blue States get $0.87 back on average.
NY and CA get $0.79 back each.

No wonder we’re broke, Republicans keep taking all our freaking money. And now they want even more. Half of the Tea Party is collecting money from the government (that are willing to admit it), decrying entitlements and programs they’re currently enjoying, at considerable cost to the bacchanalian abortion lovers who dwell in cities where taxes are actually generated, if you can believe that. Can’t wait to see what Tea Party candidates look like when they become Tea Party politicians. I wonder how many times Tea Party supporters will be forced to split their personalities to justify the same old same old from their newest batch of heroes. Amazing.

Paul, so we should support President Obama’s policies because they are not costing us so much? Give me a break

aceshigh121 said:
and the defense rest yer honor.

Are you, by chance, one of those hillbillies you mentioned? Not that there’s anything wrong with that!

Yoda002 said:
I guess it couldn’t be any worse than that 2 page Tarp reform bill passed in the middle of the night.

passed by a democrat congress.

During Clinton’s eight years, did we stop trading with China? Did Clinton push NAFTA? Did our enviornmental laws change drastically? Yeah, many Republicans stink. And so do most Dems. Don’t pretend they’re the cavalry, always charging in to save the day. That’s why people are getting fed up with both parties.

aceshigh121 said:
Even going so far as to convince people that unemployment (INSURANCE) is a handout although you’ve paid into it for 30 yrs.!

You’ve? Please explain.

writer said:
During Clinton’s eight years, did we stop trading with China? Did Clinton push NAFTA? Did our enviornmental laws change drastically? Yeah, many Republicans stink. And so do most Dems. Don’t pretend they’re the cavalry, always charging in to save the day. That’s why people are getting fed up with both parties.

Agreed that’s a good point! But sometimes we have to pick the ones that suck less! Not the ones who only care about themselves!

You are right most democrats are corrupt too but they do actually try and help some less fortunate people along the way. Unlike many republicans who spend more time apologizing to oil companies when they should be apologizing to the families who are losing their homes and their jobs.

When is the last time you heard a conservative admit they did anything wrong? That’s the the whole issue, it’s always someone else’s fault some hidden force that caused the system to crash not by any action of their own.

While Bill Maher might not be a picture of sanity I think he’s right about one thing. Over the last 20 yrs the progressives have moved to the left while the right has moved into a mental institute!

OBAMA is not only a failure – hes a fraud.

Read david Sirota’s latest:

“Democrats, just congenitally, tend to (see) the glass as half empty,” President Barack Obama said last month during a $30,000-a-plate fundraiser at the Connecticut home of a donor named (no joke) Rich Richman. Days later, Vice President Joe Biden told a separate audience of donors that voters need “to stop whining.” Apparently, the two believe that a mix of Marie Antoinette’s “let them eat cake” motto and Phil Gramm’s “nation of whiners” mantra will excite the Democratic base.

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Who knows? Maybe it’ll work. But probably not. The sight of Washington politicians attending fat-cat fundraisers while berating a recession-hammered nation is not exactly inspiring. It’s more like a recipe for electoral backlash.

That said, this campaign season is defined neither by unreasonable petulance, as the White House asserts, nor by justifiable rage against the plutocratic machine. Instead, the moment is all about the more muted despondence expressed by that recent CNBC town hall speaker – the one who told the president that voters are “exhausted” and “deeply disappointed” in his administration.

The desperation is understandable. The Iraq war continues, and the Afghanistan war is intensifying. The Wall Street “reform” bill has been exposed as a sham, with the Associated Press reporting that banks are already planning to exploit the new rules for even more profits. Meanwhile, Obama aides admit that the new health care legislation coddles the industries it purports to regulate.

“During the campaign we fought against insurance companies,” White House adviser David Axelrod said about the Obama-crafted bill. “(But) after the deals with insurance companies, the deals with Pharma – all these people are supposedly our friends.”

As Axelrod’s comment implies, this is not “real change” or “yes we can” – it’s the demoralizing status quo of “no we won’t.”

aceshigh121 said:
You are right most democrats are corrupt too but they do actually try and help some less fortunate people along the way.

mmm, did the poverty level change when dems were in total control? And I don’t just mean recently.
Please site where Reps don’t want to help the less fortunate.

aceshigh121 said:
That’s the the whole issue, it’s always someone else’s fault some hidden force that caused the system to crash not by any action of their own.

You mean like someone always blaming GWB, Fox News……?

Also, could you help me out on the unemployment question above?

aceshigh121 said:
When is the last time you heard a conservative admit they did anything wrong?

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/09/republican_rep_wilson_heckles.html

Looks like Obama is taking his cue from Bush.

“You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”
~~George Bush

Patrick Henry said:
Paul, so we should support President Obama’s policies because they are not costing us so much? Give me a break

OK, snarky answer first: No, it means you need to shut the fuck up because you and your right wing friends are totally wrong about everything. ;-)

Polite answer next: It was in response to the assertion that NY and CA are going broke as a result of liberal policy. If we’re going broke, it’s because conservative policy in Washington dried up our funds, and conservative policy in red States is forcing blue States to cover their shortfalls… as usual. The right wing has been totally divorced from fiscal sanity, and it shows in the numbers, ALL of the numbers, everywhere you look. And honestly, the growing number of secessionists in red States have no idea how poor they would be if they didn’t have NY and CA supporting them. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. And THAT’S what’s the matter with Kansas, by the way. ;-)

Hope you’re having a nice day, PH.

dcmediasux said:
OBAMA is not only a failure – hes a fraud.

DCMediaFraud, Republican, found a new word – fraud! I guess pounding that meme over and over again had SOME effect.

LOL!

Penguin60 said:
Please site where Reps don’t want to help the less fortunate.

You’re kidding right. Eliminate social security, abolish the welfare state, reduce or eliminate minimum wage, no health care reform because 44, 000 deaths per year as a direct result of 47 million people lacking access to affordable health care is a good thing, but figuring out a way to help ALL Americans is un-American. Yeah, no.

Penguin60 said:
You mean like someone always blaming GWB, Fox News……?

Bush was still blaming Clinton during Obama’s inaugural. And yes, it’s always someone else’s fault in conservaland – Donald Rumsfeld = not my fault; George Bush = not my fault; “Brownie” = not my fault; John “I was for it before I was against it” Boehner = it’s all Obama’s fault. Jim “don’t look at me, it’s not my hold” DeMint = not my fault. Gingrich, AFTER the failure of the contract with America = not my fault.

Let’s see you list of “not my fault” Dems.

And Joe Wilson didn’t really admit he was wrong. He apologized for being uncivil, then immediately put together a fund-raising plea with “You Lie” as the selling point. No, he put on a show for the cameras, and then went right back to the conservative M.O. – win. Win now, win later, win going up, win going down, win as a good guy, win as a bad guy, win as a brute, win as a victim, just win, win win. All people like him care about is winning and looking like a winner. No point to winning. Just the win. Nothing else matters. Ever.

Paul Westlake said:
OK, snarky answer first: No, it means you need to shut the fuck up because you and your right wing friends are totally wrong about everything. ;-)
Polite answer next: It was in response to the assertion that NY and CA are going broke as a result of liberal policy. If we’re going broke, it’s because conservative policy in Washington dried up our funds, and conservative policy in red States is forcing blue States to cover their shortfalls… as usual. The right wing has been totally divorced from fiscal sanity, and it shows in the numbers, ALL of the numbers, everywhere you look. And honestly, the growing number of secessionists in red States have no idea how poor they would be if they didn’t have NY and CA supporting them. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. And THAT’S what’s the matter with Kansas, by the way. ;-)
Hope you’re having a nice day, PH.

Paul, I think obviously we will never agree on any of this, but I respect your passion. We need to cut spending and stop funding so many programs that we can’t afford. I am not happy with anyone in Congress right now, but true conservative principals will stop the waste.

Am I wrong in thinking Liberal principals are to increase government, and therefore government spending? If you agree that we need to reduce spending, I don’t see how you think Libs will do that. If you think bigger government is the answer, then I readily understand why your a Liberal and that’s fine.

I hope you are having a great one as well, Paul. It’s a beautiful day in Texas today.

Patrick Henry said:
We need to cut spending and stop funding so many programs that we can’t afford. I am not happy with anyone in Congress right now, but true conservative principals will stop the waste.

Hiring private contractors to do all the dirty work and outsourcing jobs is not stopping the waste it’s just shifting the burden!

They took a surplus and turned it into a record deficit and they the ones who are going to “Stop The Waste” ?

Really? That’s rich!

Believe me, any surplus we had was due to Republicans and the Democratic Congress turned that into a deficit.

We have not had conservative leaders in Congress. The Repubs were mostly moderates. That is why I don’t want any more moderate Republicans. I would gladly vote for a Dem if he/she were a true conservative.

Patrick Henry said:
Am I wrong in thinking Liberal principals are to increase government, and therefore government spending?

Yes, you are. Liberal policy is about finding ways that benefit everyone in society, and the social fabric as a whole, that costs take a back seat to humanity, which is why we’re so often called socialists. But that doesn’t mean we WANT things to cost a lot, or be wasted on ineffective programs. Often, what it means is laws and regulations, that require enforcement, ergo spending, to bring about the desired result. But we’re not spendthrifts – in fact, liberal spending is often vastly more effective as true economic stimulus than conservative spending, which is usually destructive debt – tax cuts, obsolete weapons systems, tax cuts, off-shore tax havens, more tax cuts, incentives for outsourcing jobs overseas… oh, yeah, and tax cuts. And most self-described fiscal conservatives are also self-described social conservatives (Reagan’s three-legged stool). But any conservative anti-abortionist who thinks that a Constitutional Amendment banning abortion wouldn’t explode the size and reach of the federal government is deluding themselves. This is why cultural issues are best kept away from politics. The same “small government” people on the right, also tend to be strict anti-abortionists, which, if actually enacted, would be more “big brother” than anything any American liberal has ever considered, let alone proposed, or managed to enact.

Patrick Henry said:
If you agree that we need to reduce spending, I don’t see how you think Libs will do that.

By taking away loopholes for off-shoring profits, eliminating unnecessary subsidies for big business, and bringing outsourced jobs back to American soil, not only will individual tax receipts go up, but the tax base would broaden quickly, generating revenue beyond the estimates, as it always does when the right policies are in place – a la Clinton and his easily balanced budget… and I do mean easily. By the time the last couple budgets were being put together, they were deciding how best to use the surplus in the future. And then W came along, with his pal, Dick “deficits don’t matter” Cheney, and spent it all on an unfunded prescription drug benefit, one unfunded, unnecessary war (leaving Afghanistan out of this equation), and unfunded tax cuts for the uber-wealthy… twice, which the GOP insists must be made permanent so they can add another $4 trillion to the deficit in the next 10 years. So rather than asking how liberals will reduce spending, the real question is, how will liberals increase revenue to afford the GOP’s profligate ways. The short list that led this paragraph is a good start, along with reduced health care costs IF we can carve the middle men out of the process, which would benefit ALL business, big and small. As a liberal, I don’t believe in eliminating the free market, I believe in leveraging it in a properly capitalist way when that works best, bypassing it entirely when it works worst – i.e., fire departments work best as not-for-profit, and durable good manufacturers work best as for-profit. What makes me a progressive, is that I don’t believe one size fits all , or that what we have today is the best available, or that liberals or conservatives are all right or all wrong. I’m about progress, meaning whatever ACTUALLY works to achieve the goal – which for a liberal, is a just society, with equal access to the benefits of a just society for all. Not equal outcome, equal access. If the process is fair, I’m not ever going to quibble about the outcome. But when outcome is the focus, and the process is marked by inequities (like wealthy and immortal corporations being treated as identical to human beings who are neither wealthy, nor immortal), it is antithetical to everything liberals believe.

Patrick Henry said:
Believe me, any surplus we had was due to Republicans and the Democratic Congress turned that into a deficit.

100% wrong. They were Clinton’s surpluses that were frittered away by Republican neo-con policy. No history re-writes allowed. ;-)

Patrick Henry said:
We have not had conservative leaders in Congress. The Repubs were mostly moderates.

Moderates like Gingrich? DeLay? McConnell? Boehner? Corker? DeMint?

Oh, you meant Denny Hastert. Yeah, he was a REAL big wheel in GOP circles. LOL

Oh, and it’s a dark and rainy day in Brooklyn. I love it! ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
Moderates like Gingrich? DeLay? McConnell? Boehner? Corker? DeMint?

Gingrich, Delay, and DeMint I would consider conservative. Only DeMint is there now and at any one time the truly conservative Repubs are a drop in the bucket. We are hoping to change that. The ’94 class with Gingrich in the lead was a conservative group and did well. They pulled Clinton to the center and were responsible for the surplus. The moderate and liberal Repubs and liberal Dems since then have sunk that ship.

It is pretty cool that people across the country can discuss issues like this. What did we ever do without the web.

Have a great weekend. I’m sure we will be “talking” sometime in there. :)

Patrick Henry said:
Gingrich, Delay, and DeMint I would consider conservative. Only DeMint is there now and at any one time the truly conservative Repubs are a drop in the bucket. We are hoping to change that. The ‘94 class with Gingrich in the lead was a conservative group and did well. They pulled Clinton to the center and were responsible for the surplus. The moderate and liberal Repubs and liberal Dems since then have sunk that ship.

It is pretty cool that people across the country can discuss issues like this. What did we ever do without the web.

Have a great weekend. I’m sure we will be “talking” sometime in there. :)

Comon Patrick. That’s kinda stretching credibility to call them a drop in the bucket and then give them full credit for the surplus. I think we need good honest conservatives, liberals and moderates who go to DC to actually be public servants but the system itself is corrupt. I think an honest congress can work together and get things done, but first we have to do something about the wide spread corruption.

It seems to me that to many average citizens treat our government as if they’re two competing sports teams and we want our team to win, rather than realizing we are ultimately on the same team and need to work together.

Patrick Henry said:
We need to cut spending and stop funding so many programs that we can’t afford. I am not happy with anyone in Congress right now, but true conservative principals will stop the waste

Getting true anything into DC will be quite a feat.

aceshigh121 said:
Really? That’s rich!

Thanks, Slick!

Paul Westlake said:
You’re kidding right. Eliminate social security, abolish the welfare state, reduce or eliminate minimum wage, no health care reform because 44, 000 deaths per year as a direct result of 47 million people lacking access to affordable health care is a good thing, but figuring out a way to help ALL Americans is un-American. Yeah, no. Bush was still blaming Clinton during Obama’s inaugural. And yes, it’s always someone else’s fault in conservaland – Donald Rumsfeld = not my fault; George Bush = not my fault; “Brownie” = not my fault; John “I was for it before I was against it” Boehner = it’s all Obama’s fault. Jim “don’t look at me, it’s not my hold” DeMint = not my fault. Gingrich, AFTER the failure of the contract with America = not my fault. Let’s see you list of “not my fault” Dems. And Joe Wilson didn’t really admit he was wrong. He apologized for being uncivil, then immediately put together a fund-raising plea with “You Lie” as the selling point. No, he put on a show for the cameras, and then went right back to the conservative M.O. – win. Win now, win later, win going up, win going down, win as a good guy, win as a bad guy, win as a brute, win as a victim, just win, win win. All people like him care about is winning and looking like a winner. No point to winning. Just the win. Nothing else matters. Ever.

You can spin it all you want but nobody with half a brain is buying it. King of the blame game is your messiah. Please keep the kool-aid in Brooklyn, cause it ain’t selling anywhere else.
Not really an apology? Oy Vey!
Give me just half my SS, and keep the rest. You will get nothing and my guess is that I’m closer and will get nothing, but let’s keep that sinking ship afloat. It needs change, please explain status quo.
47 million? Eliminate welfare? Eliminate minimum wage? OK let’s see it and not from Kos.
Geez, do you cut and paste from WH memo’s.
And dems don’t win, win win? You need to look at liar Grayson, explain that piece of shit.

Yoda002 said:
Its about time Obama. Lets fight for the middle class.

He ain’t fighting for the middle class my friend, he’s fighting for the progressive elite. Your adoration is sorely misplaced. Eventually, you will learn the veracity of my claim. What struck me is that he came off like a hybrid of Jerimiah Wright and Adolf Hitler.

Penguin60 said:
OK let’s see it and not from Kos.

Those conservative ideals are well-known and easily confirmed. And I’m not jumping through conservative “prove it” hoops when those same people either cite loosely-related anecdotal factoids that prove nothing, cite Red State opinion columns and wikipedia, or cite nothing at all, as you just did. So, no thank you.

pyrope said:
What struck me is that he came off like a hybrid of Jerimiah Wright and Adolf Hitler.

Conclusion: you’re not a serious person.

Paul, you can make all the accusations you want, doesn’t make it true. Why do I need to prove your claim?Seriously, eliminate welfare? Do you realize how far out that sounds?

Penguin60 said:
Seriously, eliminate welfare? Do you realize how far out that sounds?

I know exactly how far out that sounds, but it has been one of the core principals of conservative ideology for decades. Rugged individualism precludes social safety nets of any kind – the free market can handle almost everything and charity can get the rest. From assaults on medicare and medicaid, social security, even the VA, it has been repeated over and over again, in part or in whole, by conservatives and their libertarian allies since Ronald Reagan called medicare creeping socialism – unemployment breeds laziness, welfare just encourages bad behavior, food stamps reward sloth, etc, etc. The entire “creeping statism” mantra is about smashing the welfare state. You can’t pretend that isn’t the goal when it has been repeated right next to eliminating unions over and over again for decades.

So, yes, it is out there, waaaay out there, but it’s what the neo-con GOP has been trying to sell for a very long time now.

I guess I know how you guys feel when Glenn Beck talks.

No you don’t. ;-)

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