Polar Opposites: Fox News Seeing Best Ratings, CNN and MSNBC Worst
We’ve written a lot about Fox News’ ratings. Here’s the deal – they’re on pace for their best year of all time in total viewers during prime time and total day.
CNN and MSNBC, on the other hand, are headed the opposite direction. Here’s a look at the ratings from October, which officially came to an end yesterday.
In every category – total day and prime time, A25-54 demographic and total viewers, October has shaped up to be the worst month of 2009 for both CNN and MSNBC. But when comparing the networks, it looks worse for CNN, which, as reported by the New York Times today, dropped to fourth on cable news, even behind sister network HLN, in prime time demo.
A CNN spokesperson tells Mediaite:
We couldn’t be more pleased that both our networks (CNN and HLN) are now topping MSNBC in total day and that CNN.com leads all TV news competitors on the web. As we have said for years, we measure our audience across all CNN Worldwide platforms and throughout the day, not just primetime. CNN provides quality journalism and our ratings reflect the news environment more than opinion programming does – especially in primetime.
There’s no dispute that CNN has a broad range of outlets to measure its audience. It has a vibrant international network, a prime web destination and much more (there’s an actual airport network as well). But – and this is important – the ratings drops on CNN during prime time are notably dramatic, and as HLN increases viewership there could be rumblings for a shake up.
Every CNN program is down more than 50% year-to-year in total viewers and the demo, but Anderson Cooper’s 10pmET hour is down 72% and 79%. The top program right now, Larry King’s 9pmET hour, is just the 16th best cable news program for October in total viewers, and 17th in the demo (More on that below).
CNN can say they measure their audience ‘across all platforms’, but lagging A25-54 demo numbers is a bad sign. As Daily Finance notes, although every cabler did well in October 2008 due to the election, CNN is down the most year-to-year in the category. Back in April 2008, for example, CNN President Jon Klein told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “That’s the demographic that advertisers are buying.”
Meanwhile with MSNBC, the cable network is stuck in 4th place in total day in both total viewers and the demo. HLN moves up to #2 in the demo, while CNN is #2 in total viewers. While its opinion programming in prime time has succeeded, the new line-up during the day is not nearly as successful.
Below is the program ranker for October. Fox News had the top 11 programs in the demo and the top 13 programs, again, in total viewers. Some other notes:
• The Nancy Grace repeat on HLN and Keith Olbermann repeat on MSNBC topped Anderson Cooper’s live 10pmET show in the demo.
• CNN’s late afternoon Situation Room performed better than both Cooper’s 10pmET hour and Campbell Brown’s 8pmET hour.
• Fox News’ 3amET show Red Eye once again beat CNN’s 8pmET show Campbell Brown in the demo.
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When will it be time for Jon Klein to go? If not now, when????
CNN’s continued attempts to present them selves as more news than opinion is not working. Anyone who watches prime time and sees Carville, Begalla, Gerghan, Borger and other on air, know it’s not news, but spin. They need to admit it and just get better spinners or just fold up their tent completely.
Maybe the WH should declare war on CNN, then maybe their ratings would go up?
I’m sorry, but that’s all we have time for. Looks like we’ll have to leave it there.
While ratings are fun for advertisers, perhaps Mediaite could tell us the total number of households available to each cable network? I am under the impression that Fox is available as a basic package option to a much higher degree than MSNBC is. Are total exposure numbers factored in? I would expect the ratings of a network available to 2 million possible subscribers to be higher than those of one available to only 1 million. Are these findings worldwide or continental U.S. only? I appreciate Steve and Mediaite showing us this shiny new car of stats, but could you help me look under the hood and kick the tires so I can make an informed position instead of one based on superficiality? Thanks.
>CNN’s continued attempts to present them selves as more news than opinion is not working.
CNN is a very big journalistic entity. That one cable channel is just one slice of a very large pie. They run several channels and in different languages too. They have *the* world’s biggest international news channel. They are one of the biggest news websites in the world (if you combine FoxNews.com with MSNBC.com and triple the numbers, you’d get the same amount of hits as CNN.com).
I understand why they don’t want to refocus themselves into becoming another Fox News or MSNBC. It’s quite a testament to CNN’s mission, actually. They’d rather have straight news shows despite knowing that they’d attain higher ratings. If you want personality-driven shows, just flip to HLN.
MedfordTim says:
October 26, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Not to be rude, Tim… but you can do that research on your own. The stats are out there and pretty easily accessible. We’ve discussed it here a number of times.
Yes, FNC is in more homes than MSNBC… however, the difference isn’t overly significant. If you breakdown by percentages (watchers vs. availability), FNC remains dominant by a whole heck of a lot.
m says:
October 26, 2009 at 8:35 pm
If you want personality-driven shows, just flip to HLN.
I thought the purpose of HLN was so they could do the straight news, without the personality. That would be their straight news channel, and CNN would be their discussion. Seems they share that element… perhaps that’s the problem. Have CNN be exclusively one thing, and have HLN be the other. The mish-mash isn’t working.
Here you go Tim:
Nielsen Cable Network Coverage Estimates (as of September, 2009)
CNN/HLN: 99.098 million HHs
CNBC: 96.78 million HHs
FNC: 96.26 million HHs
MSNBC: 92.64 million HHs
Nielsen TV Ratings Data: ©2009 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.tvbythenumbers.com
As you can see the numbers are pretty insignificant. Especially since CNN is in 100 million homes and they are the 4th place network.
MSNBC is a crap channel. CNN beats it in total viewers everyday. MSNBC For the 3rd quarter MSNBC finished way back at #30 in total day programming. It isn’t a very watched network. FNC on the other hand finished 4th among all networks. CNN finished #20.
No matter how much money CNN and Klein pump into Anderson’s show or how much they pimp him and promote him every chance they get, and no matter how many times he appears at numerous charity events, his numbers keep falling. Can you imagine what would happen if his competition had that much push behind them? Jon Klein’s Golden Boy just ain’t delivering the goods because people don’t trust what he says any longer. He tells viewers that he doesn’t voice an opinion on his show and that he presents both sides of the issues, but most of the time that isn’t true. He shows favoritism and insults those who disagree with what he believes is the truth or the right point of view, by insulting them and cutting them short when they try to make a point. Hell, 360 even censors their AC360 blog comments to reflect the CNN agenda so many viewers have stopped even trying to post to it.
His nightly Obama lovefest is becoming quite tiresome as well.
Anderson not only insulted the tea party protesters, but he insulted and allowed his panelists to insult Hillary Clinton’s followers. He even insulted his own viewers!
Someone should remind him that without viewers he doesn’t have a show. CNN set him up with an email address, a blog, a Face Book account, and a Twitter account, but he doesn’t bother with any of that, he is much too important to take an interest in anything the viewers have to say, after all he is now a full blown elitist Vanderbilt celebrity who spends his time curling his tongue at celebrity DNA testing parties or flaunting his bulging biceps biking through the streets of NYC or exercising in the window of his favorite gym. The only reason he even Twitters is because Kelly Ripa encouraged him to do so.
I used to really like Anderson, but he isn’t the journalist he used to be or the journalist some of us thought he was. His defenders will make excuses for him, but the facts are the facts and now the ratings are reflecting those facts. I doubt there is anything he can do to regain his credibility.
I wonder how “Adonis” feels being beaten on a regular basis by Lunatic Olbermann, Crazy Nancy, and the Crypt Keeper?
One word for Anderson Cooper: Teabagger.
He never should have said it. He never should have done it. A bad idea that is haunting him for obvious professional and personal reasons. That’s when he came out of the closet and stopped pretending to be something he’s not: a real journalist.
>He never should have said it. He never should have done it. A bad idea that is haunting him for obvious professional and personal reasons. That’s when he came out of the closet and stopped pretending to be something he’s not: a real journalist.
If you held for example Chris Wallace to the same standard, you’d be foaming at the mouth by now.
Did Chris Wallace make a series of crude, classless oral sex jokes on a national broadcast? Post the link or transcript. If it’s true, I will absolutely hold him to the same standard.
I seriously doubt this. Has anyone done a serious investigation of how ratings happen? Here’s when these doubts cropped up: Back when the Bush administration’s ratings were in the toilet, SOMEHOW, Fox News (sic) who was doing nothing be carrying water for Bush, had fantastic ratings? How was that possible? I had to wonder if someone was gaming the ratings? What are these ratings anyway? It’s referred to but never questioned (that I’ve seen). I’d like to see a serious expose’ on “ratings.” Where’s 60 Minutes when you need them? ;-)
ImNotBlue and CaptainAmerica, thank you. I noticed no rudeness, don’t give it a thought.
Yes, I can do all that research on my own – including noting that SpongeBob and Hannah Montana regularly kick ALL the Cable News networks behinds. What I can do really wasn’t my point. It’s what I feel the responsibility of someone whose job it is to keep us informed is – to give us ALL the facts.
You know, the old “Who, What, When, Where, Why” credo. In much of today’s news, the “Why” is too often thrown to the curbside. I, for one, like the “Why.” I grew up in a time when “in-depth” reporting was the norm rather than the exception. I miss that. Instead, we get USA Today type short, incomplete articles in the written world and 5 minute interviews on TV. I detest the notion that people only have a MTV attention span – is it cause or effect?
But, I’m sorry, we’ll have to leave it there as that’s all the time we have – we’re up against a hard break and couldn’t possibly return to this subject after that…
Allen
Fewer people will trust 60 Minutes (or CBS ‘no bias’ non-investigations) following Sep 8, 2004 than trust Nielsen. :-D
Congrats to the Number ONE TV station in America. The BEST hard news Anchors and ROCK STARS in the Opinion Programs. (Keep up the good work, Glenn!)
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