Obama has picked the worst possible person for almost every position.

And yet, when Stedman resigns , King Obama will find someone worse .

“Despite President Obama declaring that Attorney General Eric Holder was not aware of the program…”

Well, if the Messiah says Holder didn’t know anything it must be true. The Messiah never lies (except when he is speaking).

Well if he didn’t know about it, that’s gross incompetence. Isn’t he supposed to be in charge ? And it’s a false argument to say that the Mexicans would have just used other guns. Those guns have now been handed down to the 12-yr olds.

Thank you for finally breaking the silence on this story; guessing even mediaite sees it can’t stay contained behind the black curtain the media likes to hang in order to protect hehimselftheone and his minions.

I do believe that the head of the ATF has already given proof to Issa regarding Holder’s knowledge of this. Holder and Obama need to come clean on it, but I doubt they will. It is regarding this case that the term “watergate” mightbe appropriate – calling Bernstein…hello!!

It’s more likely that “Stedman” (a Dennis Miller-ism) was intimately involved with this clusterphlark.

0bomber IS the worst and he has surrounded himself with his equals.

Well using the liberal standard, that of course, Rupert Murdoch knew about and condoned what happened in his company, then Obama and Holder HAD to have know about and condoned Fast and Furious. Obama, you’ve got some splainin to do.

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
Well using the liberal standard, that of course, Rupert Murdoch knew about and condoned what happened in his company, then Obama and Holder HAD to have know about and condoned Fast and Furious. Obama, you’ve got some splainin to do.

EXCELLENT point.

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
Well using the liberal standard, that of course, Rupert Murdoch knew about and condoned what happened in his company, then Obama and Holder HAD to have know about and condoned Fast and Furious. Obama, you’ve got some splainin to do.

How dare you use their own standards against them!!! Have you no shame sir!? lol

On a serious note, if Holder knew of the operation and is not tried for the murder of at least the border guard, it will be an outrage of epic proportions. Our government was instrumental in the death of one of its own citizens and somebody needs to pay.

LoyalOpposition said:
How dare you use their own standards against them!!! Have you no shame sir!? lol

That’s maam to you, hehe.

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
That’s maam to you, hehe.

Woah, my apologies maam.

Yeah, of course the Attorney General knew about the gun running program set up by the DEA.

Oh and I am sure he knows about the Miami PD Buy and Bust program too.

I am also sure he is aware of the Prostitution sting being set up right now by the Fort Mesa PD right now.

The problem with Holder’s feigned ignorance is that he gave a speech in Cuernavaca, Mexico, on April 2, 2009, in which he boasted about Operation “Project Gunrunner” and told Mexican authorities of everything he was doing to insure its success.http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090402.html

If he had read the stimulus bill he would have known about it. But, I keep forgetting they require a bill to pass to see what is in it. That’s just how Democrats roll.

It seems safe to say that as soon as the debt crisis is over and leaves the headlines, Issa and his investigations might be receiving much greater attention.

Better late than never.

Well, the liberals have finally done it – selling guns to bad guys!!! We should pass a law banning the ownership of firearms by registered Democrats. Their judgement just can’t be trusted.

Barry Bonds said:
Yeah, of course the Attorney General knew about the gun running program set up by the DEA.

Oh and I am sure he knows about the Miami PD Buy and Bust program too.

I am also sure he is aware of the Prostitution sting being set up right now by the Fort Mesa PD right now.

For those confused as fake Barry is, yes ATF is under DOJ. Here’s the DOJ org chart. http://www.justice.gov/agencies/index-org.html

The ATF (bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms) as well as DEA, FBI and others are under the DOJ.

Sounds like a big program, of course the whole management chain knew. He’s like the CEO, though, so the question is what did he know, when did he know it, and what did he do once problems were known. The question is what controls were in place to track the guns, when they lost them, what they did once problems were known,etc. These do need to be answered.

As with all these things, as long as there’s no huge cover-up, the story will be ugly for a few days or weeks, then go away. The program started under Bush admin then grew under Holder’s watch. I’m sure there’s plenty of career ATF employees to get to the truth here.

This what happens when competent adults are not put in charge. From the top down.

The legs to this story are growing. Forget health care (for the moment), this will be the downfall of the administration.

FINALLY,

Thank you, as this is a very substantive issue that brings together a number of portions of the Obama machine, only to find such at least, lacking, at most, politically corrupt.

Hidden beneath this situation is/are the makings of tactics used by despotic regimes in history. In this case, the most salient are tactics right out the revolutionary handbook, first written by Lenin and subsequently added too by every Socialist leader and regime.

Furthermore, when the legerdemain fails, we all know what tactic is employed next, don’t we?

This administration has been a pinball machine of the unsavory, yet, the silver ball keeps moving from post to bumper and back. This not a “teflon” presidency, rather, is a “look here” while do something over there… Hence, a plurality of Americans still follow the leader, even as they are being snookered.

Anyway, both X3 and I have mentioned this to each other and some of you have mentioned it, en passant. Well done.

ABOUT TIME!

WCinWI said:
The legs to this story are growing. Forget health care (for the moment), this will be the downfall of the administration.

Yeah, The corrupt, liberal media tried to ignore the story, but they couldn’t ignore it forever without looking like total hacks.

If this sob lied to congress, he must get what Roger Clements is facing-30 years in jail. What the devil is wrong with our justice system that lets democraps get away with just about anything, spit on the Constitution, defy the will of the people and daily exhibiting their despicable chronic liar status, with no punishment of any kind??

I feel sorry for the voters who think this arrogant, insidious administration is ever worthy of another vote or another dime of campaign contributions.

LoyalOpposition says:
Our government was instrumental in the death of one of its own citizens and somebody needs to pay.
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You mean “Bush”?, Holder, may know as much about ‘weapons” as “Bush” (not much). Issa is always having one of these hunts and…….. nothing ever happens!

WCinWI said:
The legs to this story are growing. Forget health care (for the moment), this will be the downfall of the administration.

Obviously, we agree. So tell me, where in WI are you from? I grew up in Oshpit. (Oshkosh, LOL) Moved to CO, in 1986.

If Obama and Holder did not know about this (about the same chance scientists will find snow on the sun) they are incompetent. Holder should resign and Obama should not run in 2012. I would almost rather have Hugo Chavez come up and run things. Almost.

timcajun said:
You mean “Bush”?, Holder, may know as much about ‘weapons” as “Bush” (not much). Issa is always having one of these hunts and…….. nothing ever happens!

Come on TIMCAJUN. Stop being a demagogue for a moment and show some intellectual curiosity. Somebodies ideology took precedence over good sense, our Nations security was/is compromised. People died and all you do is put this into pile of political manure?

Purveyor

Note: (what do you do, just see my name and give me a thumbs down? A bit childish)

purveyor said:
Obviously, we agree. So tell me, where in WI are you from? I grew up in Oshpit. (Oshkosh, LOL) Moved to CO, in 1986.

Wisconsiners! The land of cowshyte and beer farts.Grew up in Stanley, population 2101.

KRAMER,

You too? You forgot Cheese! I still have cheese curds sent to me from a little cheese factory near Waupaca.

People from Wisconsin have an almost naive honesty about them. They tend to earnest and willing to help, always. And they can stand in the freezing cold staring into a hole in the ice, waiting for a fish… LOL

Where is Stanley? What region of the State?

purveyor says:
Come on TIMCAJUN. Stop being a demagogue for a moment and show some intellectual curiosity. Somebodies ideology took precedence over good sense, our Nations security was/is compromised. People died and all you do is put this into pile of political manure?

Purveyor

Note: (what do you do, just see my name and give me a thumbs down? A bit childish)
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See your name and give you thumbs down? Actually no, you’re one of the few, that I think may have left some Kool-Aid “in” the glass. (that hurts to admit) Issa, pulls these stunts and always comes up dry. I respect that IF, IF this was fully known and could have been avoided, he’s right for his actions. (Issa) If correct, your’re right over ideology taking precedence over good sense. We don’t know he was aware, but we may find out. Where were these angry patriots, when George admitted, there were no WMD’s found, yet thousands died for the false claim at first? Did George cause their deaths? Lets condemn both actions!

TIMCAJUN,

My old man would call that a”back handed” compliment, so we can leave it at that? Shsssh.

What I try to do is take the paucity of information we have about the other people here, i.e., photos, names, rhetoric and ‘the arrival of names coinciding with a thumbs up or down’, then try to gain insight or advantage in debate. I play chess too. LOL

That is good we both see this could be an ugly moment, despite the politics. The issue should be investigated, sans, politics with the end result being, “Sans” politics.

My philosophy, “Neutral Principle” which I mention frequently, is a goal of reasoned neutrality in government. Also, personal objectivity and neutrality. Like a religion, a philosophy can be demanding and I stumble now and again.

“The Constitution is the guide which I will never abandon.”—George Washington

OH, My apologies TIM I was presumptuous

purveyor says:
My philosophy, “Neutral Principle” which I mention frequently, is a goal of reasoned neutrality in government. Also, personal objectivity and neutrality. Like a religion, a philosophy can be demanding and I stumble now and again.
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I do recall you’ve mentioned “Neutral Principle” before, this may be why the glass is only half way down! I agree. I didn’t like this story from the start, but if correct, you have to remove the toe!

timcajun said:
but if correct, you have to remove the toe!

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I read that. Then I looked at it. Hmmm? Ohhhhh LOL

I appreciate it you chose not to get angry with the “childish” comment. I have become jaded since I started combat in the Mediaite Coliseum.

I top it off with posts of poetry and arcane quotes.

Just think of Neutral Principle as another way of saying “equal protection.” So simple, so elegant, yet, we continue to muck it up with our own predilections.

See you around Amigo… Thanks again

purveyor said:
KRAMER,

You too? You forgot Cheese! I still have cheese curds sent to me from a little cheese factory near Waupaca.

People from Wisconsin have an almost naive honesty about them. They tend to earnest and willing to help, always. And they can stand in the freezing cold staring into a hole in the ice, waiting for a fish… LOL

Where is Stanley? What region of the State?

Smack dab in the center, Cadott Wisconsin nearby, has a huge billboard stating that we are exactly in the center of the North Pole and Equator. That area is where my mother’s side of the family grew up. Bunch of Norvegians dontuknow.

As for the fishin, I prefer my hole in the ice to be surrounded by a shack with a gas stove going full blast while sitting on a cooler of beer.

As for the Cheese, I hate to say it, I am the prototypical, cliched Wisconsiner. Grew up on a dairy farm, worked in a cheese factory, hunt, fish, trap, etc etc etc.

DavidKramer said:
As for the fishin, I prefer my hole in the ice to be surrounded by a shack with a gas stove going full blast while sitting on a cooler of beer.

As for the Cheese, I hate to say it, I am the prototypical, cliched Wisconsiner. Grew up on a dairy farm, worked in a cheese factory, hunt, fish, trap, etc etc etc.

Oh shit yah heh. I know what you mean there. Hey you! Come here once.

Oh cripes sake we could do some talkin, eh?

The upper peninsula of Michigan has an even heavier accent.

Anyway, you are just east of Eau claire. The Old Man and I would hunt grouse near La Crosse. Tough terrain but he and I were purists. It is called “hunting.” We had German Wire Hairs and Short Hairs.

We could talk on and on I am sure. When I turned 28, I moved to Colorado. Now I live in Mississippi

purveyor said:
Oh shit yah heh. I know what you mean there. Hey you! Come here once.

Oh cripes sake we could do some talkin, eh?

The upper peninsula of Michigan has an even heavier accent.

Anyway, you are just east of Eau claire. The Old Man and I would hunt grouse near La Crosse. Tough terrain but he and I were purists. It is called “hunting.” We had German Wire Hairs and Short Hairs.

We could talk on and on I am sure. When I turned 28, I moved to Colorado. Now I live in Mississippi

Yeah over the past few years I moved to California and then back. It was funny in California, they had a hard time initially with my accent. I have pretty much lost the twang but still use some of the terminology that points me out. The best one I just love to use.

Are you going to doit this way orno. Saying the the negative at the end of the sentence just makes people look at me, what the heck did you just say? It is such a habit I cannot break it.

This is why I find the elitist mentality about Sarah Palin’s speech patterns get to be so aggravating. They would do the same to me and most others with regional dialects. In the movie Fargo they thought it was endearing and a sign of low intelligence, was my perception anyway of the talk from movie critics.

Lacrosse, never hunted there, I prefer up north in the Chequamegon national forest region and in my old area near Stanley. I actually live close to Eau Claire now.

Mississippi, you must love the humidity. College in St Louis was bad for humidity, do not miss that at all.

Use to fish near Green Bay when in high school. Closest I got to the U.P. beside the NF. My parents lived in Boulder a few years, never been there. Drove through when younger when my oldest sis moved to LA.

Nice talking with you, better not tie up this article on us. Later.