There’s no need to shamelessly instigate for the purpose of instigating. Stupidity is and will continue to be the downfall of this country, not debt or bad Presidents, those are just symptoms of the problem.

Come out of the closet Lindsey and just admit you are a Democrat.
Believe me…no one on this side will miss you.

If you took the worst ideas of Democrats and Republicans and combined them you would have Lindsey Graham. Please vote this man out of office South Carolina.

So Maher calling the koran a ” hate filled holy book ” is now a problem ?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-islam-keith-ellison/

Oh brother; once again, an elected representative opens his mouth and inserts his foot. What a fool.

Publius219 said:
Sen. Lindsey Graham: ‘Freedom Of Speech Is A Great Idea But We’re In A War’

The Democrats in this country have never seemed to be able to find & use any restraint.

Remember how you were when George Bush was in office?

Given that Graham sincerely believes such free expression “puts our troops at risk,” his desire to do anything in America in order to keep them safe may sound noble. Yet how exactly does Graham envision limiting free speech and for how long would he like to do it?

It would be instructive to know where Graham would like to draw that line, and where, during World War II “Der Fuhrer’s Face” would have landed in relation to it.

Message to Lyndsey, the GOP and those who ant to silence the people. There are no ‘ifs’ or ‘buts’ about free speech. You either take it or leave it. Reminds me of the crap they did during the Iraq disaster, anyone who question their tactics was labelled ‘unpatriotic’, bunch of assholes.

By the way the Pastor is mad and the media that give him publicity are insane. Those are the group Lyndsey needs to have a word with.

So….will he also want to restrict the placing of a cricifix in a har of urine and calling “Piss Christ” in the name of art?

I doubt it. Hypocrites.

Though the pastor is revolting, he isn’t responsible for the killings. Radical Muslims don’t need an excuse and they prove every day when they murder. The reason for their killing is merely that we exist and don’t agree with them. It’s as simple as that.

I’m guessing Gramnesty and those who agree with him, have no such plans for those who would burn the Bible. or texts of any other religions. Why must we coddle one group of people?

In the underbelly of the US Senate (specifically, at the end of the lower intestine) is where we find THE SLIMEBAG SIX despicable, rino traitors who will continue to support d-crat socialist issues, and everybody knows who they are: AMNESTY-JOHN mccain, scott brown, collins, snowe, murCOWski and graham.

That’s part of the “hit list” for all American patriots to follow in future elections.

LibToy, Flashboy, Pablo and Batbugger:

Do any of you realize that the “Honorable” Sen. Graham is a senior GOP member?
Or is this round one of the circular firing squad?

Do any of you realize that the “Honorable” Sen. Graham is a senior GOP member?

Sorry Joe, we don’t claim him.

Publius219 said:
There’s no need to shamelessly instigate for the purpose of instigating. Stupidity is and will continue to be the downfall of this country, not debt or bad Presidents, those are just symptoms of the problem.

So as long as we silense those crazy Jones’s of the world, Our country will be just fine and we dont have to worry about that debt and our “bad” presidents? Geez, talk about stupid.

Graham is a half a sissy / and liberal on most issues. I used to think it was about political expediency, but he’s now proven he was born that way.

He oughta just come out of the closet, leave his wife for Obama and declare himself a democrat for crying out loud.

Big Eddie said:
So Maher calling the koran a ” hate filled holy book ” is now a problem ? http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-islam-keith-ellison/

Good point. I guess as long as you dont threaten to burn it your ok. No insult to see here, move along people.

READY! AIM! 2012!

Joseph Glackin said:
LibToy, Flashboy, Pablo and Batbugger:

Do any of you realize that the “Honorable” Sen. Graham is a senior GOP member?
Or is this round one of the circular firing squad?

I realize many things, Joe. That you’re not very sharp is one of them. That Graham is a Republican is another.

Joseph Glackin said:
LibToy, Flashboy, Pablo and Batbugger: blockquote>

Can you type like you where not dropped on your head please.

Unfortunately, Schieffer moved right along to the next question before learning any details or discovering how serious Graham truly was.

Aaaaand scene. Nice job, Bob. No need for follow ups, just keep on rolling. Got to get to a commercial break. I think news outlets could save some money by just getting rid of anchors altogether. Just have some robot like Watson recite all the headlines and let the politicians ask their own questions they would like to answer.

I should have been a communications major.

Lindsey Graham: “Freedom of speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.”

Good to know.

Someone run for Senate in SC and defeat this danger to society.

illusive man said:

If you call that “making sense”, I’ll pass.

don’t defend israel, don’t wear short skirts, don’t date non-muslims if you’re a muslim woman, don’t get raped if you are a muslim woman, don’t draw mohammed, don’t joke about mohammed, don’t think about burning a koran, don’t say you plan on burning a koran, don’t burn a koran, don’t remove an evil dictator, don’t be an aid worker in a muslim country, don’t be a jouranlist in a muslim country, don’t be christian in a muslim country, don’t be gay, don’t hang crosses in catholic italian schools, don’t ban religious symbols from schools, don’t enforce dress codes in private schools, don’t build community pools and not close down for all muslim women day, don’t protest building a mosque on ground zero, don’t go to a muslim country and not wear a head scarf, don’t admit you get paranoid when you see muslims and you are boarding an airplane…

anything else?

So Graham is saying you can fire missiles at them, but don’t say anything offensive or it might make them mad?

If “threats to our troops” are the concern, I can think of a few democrats that are bigger a-holes then pastor Jones.

Anyway, Graham is a meathead, has been before. The issue continues to be people who are missing the big point here. Inside Islam is an element that wants a world wide caliphate. They are the enemy, there is no diplomacy to be had with them. These are the individuals who DO NOT believe in an eye for an eye, but a life for an expression of freedom. No one that feels that taking a life equates the rough handling of a book can claim to be an authority on how civilization should be conducted.

There are plenty of actions and incidents that prove why terrorism needs to be confronted and eradicated. Reactions like these to what we hold dear, freedom of speech, is to me the ultimate example. Being on the wrong side isn’t enough for liberalism. In this case they actually, boldly, side with the enemy and seek to silence some of what makes us great. To me it’s quite phenominal if people cant see this.

Why must we respect their belief that burning a koran equates murder, even to people ignorant of the act that pissed them off in the first place, but they do not have to consider the importance of our belief in freedom of speech? It’s actually impossible to defend as far as i’m concerned. It’s just liberals showing themselves once again for the anti American scumbags that they are. Again, they’re on the wrong side, theres really nothing else to it.

skyfet said:
Message to Lyndsey, the GOP and those who ant to silence the people. There are no ‘ifs’ or ‘buts’ about free speech. You either take it or leave it. Reminds me of the crap they did during the Iraq disaster, anyone who question their tactics was labelled ‘unpatriotic’, bunch of assholes.

For a second I thought you were gonna have your first decent post. But then you tanked, as usual, big time.

skyfet said:
Message to Lyndsey, the GOP and those who ant to silence the people. There are no ‘ifs’ or ‘buts’ about free speech. You either take it or leave it. Reminds me of the crap they did during the Iraq disaster, anyone who question their tactics was labelled ‘unpatriotic’, bunch of assholes.

Skyfet – You are either with the Pastor or you are unpatrotic a**hole!

Which is it…tell us now! :>)

Dont you wish Miss Lindsey Graham would just go away…..and take John McCain with him.

Paleoconservatarian said:
Someone run for Senate in SC and defeat this danger to society.

South Carolina is ripe for a good primary.

BatBoy said:
Skyfet – You are either with the Pastor or you are unpatrotic a**hole! Which is it…tell us now! :>)

that question was meant as a joke right?

Oh for goodness sake, like these muslim really needed any reason to murder people in the name of Allah? please! The fact they are using a pastor in Florida (like any of these afghans even know where that is) as the excuse is pathetic- they just needed a good old fashion murder/hate America PR stunt and burning our president in effigy and our flag is certainly nothing new. The murders of the UN staff however, should have the full force of UN retaliation, so if we can just bomb this Afghan village to kingdom come that should send a nice message.

cjd ohio 1 said:
that question was meant as a joke right?

Right!

Pablo said:
South Carolina is ripe for a good primary.

Can she hold two state-wide offices at once?

For all his ignorance, Pastor Jones did the world a favor; he ripped the the Muslim mask of civility off and revealed the true face of Islam- radical, full of hate and murderous. In the Muslim world, it makes perfectly good sense to kill innocents because some idiot did something 8000 miles away that pissed you off. NO OTHER RELIGION DOES THIS KIND OF HATE!

Thank God we don’t have another mosque in downtown NYC!

These animals would kill over pizza toppings.

Publius219 said:
Stupidity is and will continue to be the downfall of this country,

You prove that day in and day out, son.

This popular quote from Ben Franklin seems to apply here..

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both”

Joseph Glackin said:
LibToy, Flashboy, Pablo and Batbugger: Do any of you realize that the “Honorable” Sen. Graham is a senior GOP member?Or is this round one of the circular firing squad?

Do you realize people like him is why the Tea Party came about? This house will not be cleaned over night and you can mind your own party anyway.

ljam said:
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both”

They didn’t have Muslim terrorists back then son.

notsofast said:
They didn’t have Muslim terrorists back then son.

They just had the British Empire, which used to exterminate entire races of people.

Joseph Glackin said:
Joseph Glackin says:
April 3, 2011 at 7:52 pm Joseph Glackin(Quote)

Son, your stupid pills hove not worn off have they?

sarainitaly said:
don’t defend israel, don’t wear short skirts, don’t date non-muslims if you’re a muslim woman, don’t get raped if you are a muslim woman, don’t draw mohammed, don’t joke about mohammed, don’t think about burning a koran, don’t say you plan on burning a koran, don’t burn a koran, don’t remove an evil dictator, don’t be an aid worker in a muslim country, don’t be a jouranlist in a muslim country, don’t be christian in a muslim country, don’t be gay, don’t hang crosses in catholic italian schools, don’t ban religious symbols from schools, don’t enforce dress codes in private schools, don’t build community pools and not close down for all muslim women day, don’t protest building a mosque on ground zero, don’t go to a muslim country and not wear a head scarf, don’t admit you get paranoid when you see muslims and you are boarding an airplane…

anything else?

ljam said:
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both”

Joseph Glackin said:

Son, the British Empire is not the USA.

Try again.

You have nothing to offer. Go back in your cave.
DO NOT call me “son” again.
If you WERE my father, I’d call up one of $arah’s “Death Panels” and find out where to drop you off.

notsofast said:
Son, the British Empire is not the USA.

Try again.

And, DOOFUS, Franklin was a BRITISH subject.

Joseph Glackin said:
Joseph Glackin says:
April 3, 2011 at 8:00 pm Joseph Glackin(Quote)

Son, I like how you defend all terrorists and enemies of the USA. You make a true Dim lib.

Your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.

Joseph Glackin said:
And, DOOFUS, Franklin was a BRITISH subject.

Not when the USA was created, son!

Barack Must Go said:
Graham is a half a sissy / and liberal on most issues. I used to think it was about political expediency, but he’s now proven he was born that way. He oughta just come out of the closet, leave his wife for Obama and declare himself a democrat for crying out loud.

If this obviously gay dude would come out already – he would have more credibility and would not be at the mercy of the blackmailing demonRATS. What these closeted republicans fail to understand is that a majority of conservatives could give a rats ass who they sleep with…we care how they vote…stupid jackwagons!!!

meh in general I’m against burning books. Doesn’t justify the islamists reaction though. I would say though, their religion is about hundreds of years behind most major faiths, about six hundred years behind chrisitianity. Not gonna get into it but the whole medieval period was fraught with christian abuses. I would say they need to time to develop their society beyond mindless religious extremism and start ignoring parts of their own book like good christians do. Also graham is a moron and LOL at the people calling him a Rino, just proves there really isn’t any diversity of thought within the conservative movement.

Steve_27 said:
If “threats to our troops” are the concern, I can think of a few democrats that are bigger a-holes then pastor Jones.

Anyway, Graham is a meathead, has been before. The issue continues to be people who are missing the big point here. Inside Islam is an element that wants a world wide caliphate. They are the enemy, there is no diplomacy to be had with them. These are the individuals who DO NOT believe in an eye for an eye, but a life for an expression of freedom. No one that feels that taking a life equates the rough handling of a book can claim to be an authority on how civilization should be conducted.

There are plenty of actions and incidents that prove why terrorism needs to be confronted and eradicated. Reactions like these to what we hold dear, freedom of speech, is to me the ultimate example. Being on the wrong side isn’t enough for liberalism. In this case they actually, boldly, side with the enemy and seek to silence some of what makes us great. To me it’s quite phenominal if people cant see this.

Why must we respect their belief that burning a koran equates murder, even to people ignorant of the act that pissed them off in the first place, but they do not have to consider the importance of our belief in freedom of speech? It’s actually impossible to defend as far as i’m concerned. It’s just liberals showing themselves once again for the anti American scumbags that they are. Again, they’re on the wrong side, theres really nothing else to it.

hey dumbass….go burn a Koran then…..if youre not , stop talking shit……punks like you remind me of a dull knife…..talking loud but saying nothing

notsofast said:
For all his ignorance, Pastor Jones did the world a favor; he ripped the the Muslim mask of civility off and revealed the true face of Islam- radical, full of hate and murderous. In the Muslim world, it makes perfectly good sense to kill innocents because some idiot did something 8000 miles away that pissed you off. NO OTHER RELIGION DOES THIS KIND OF HATE!

Thank God we don’t have another mosque in downtown NYC!

These animals would kill over pizza toppings.

hey TinMan…go down to the mosque with a koran and a book of matches then….you conservatives talk lots of shit but wont bust a grape….we’re getting just a tad bit tired of all the blustering and boasting you sorry cowardly pieces of shit do then run and hide behind the military….Muslims scare the shit out you asswipes and you know it…instead of book burnin, join the army, go to the middle east and lets see what youre made of….i say cotton candy

notsofast said:
Not when the USA was created, son!

Franklin was 70 when the Declaration was signed and he renounced his British Citizenship.
From them he learned the cost of liberty ceded for security. Wrap both brain cells around that.
You can not be my father, my mother never mated outside of the human race, she assured me.

Well, we’ve always known that Goober and his buddy Juan McCain have always been liberals at heart. What embarrassments they are to America. They should cross the isle and stay put.

notsofast said:
NO OTHER RELIGION DOES THIS KIND OF HATE!

I hope this is sarcasm, son.

Islamists don’t kill Muslims, burning Quo’rans kill Muslims. If liberals were consistent, we’d ban Islamists.

ljam said:
I hope this is sarcasm, son.

Yep, that Christian Jihad is going nuts, ain’t it?

ljam said:
This popular quote from Ben Franklin seems to apply here..

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both”

Tell that to 0bama’s TSA. And now, WI business owners who don’t support union thuggery. http://conservativeamerican.org/dems-libs-socialists/wi-union-thugs-threaten-local-businesses/ as union police turn a blind eye.

Ideological purity required. Any deviation from the party line is grounds for challenge, inquisition, and rejection.
Stalin would be right at home with those party rules.
Start checking blood purity, and you can probably get Hitler, too.

Joseph Glackin said:
Ideological purity required. Any deviation from the party line is grounds for challenge, inquisition, and rejection.
Stalin would be right at home with those party rules.
Start checking blood purity, and you can probably get Hitler, too.

Who on the left does not vote in lockstep with the democrat party??? You are a clown, and always have been. Name some of your famous isle crossers. I will for you Zell Miller. He was the last. Spit-ball.

ndanielson said:
Who on the left does not vote in lockstep with the democrat party??? You are a clown, and always have been. Name some of your famous isle crossers. I will for you Zell Miller. He was the last. Spit-ball.

Wrongo again. In the 111th Congress, the GOP in the House and the Senate voted as bloc so often they were called, “The Party of NO.” And it had nothing to do with Japanese theater. Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, and that egomaniacal party of one from Conn. were often with Chicken lips McConnell in the Senate. Many “blue dog” Dems. voted with the Boner.
I know you clowns like to rewrite history, but try not to be TOO obvious.
Also, learn the name of OUR President and my party, and you might be something besides teabaggers and reich-wingers.

The president of the United states bombs a Muslim country and some nobody in Florida burns a Koran… guess which one is to blame for the rioting in Afghanistan. What is Mr. Graham hanging is hat on? the Main Stream Media? This is a politician who pulls his finger out of his Keister only to check which way the political winds blowing. This is a CAIR wet dream come true and Mr. Graham was the first to jump on the magic carpet. You are Mr. Graham the Anthony Weiner of the RNC.

ndanielson said:
Yep, that Christian Jihad is going nuts, ain’t it?

Well you could start by actually reading the christian bible. I’ll help your out because its long and without pictures.. read Joshua 6:17–19 for example. If you need a more recent example you could look to the Bosnian Genocide in the 90s. Plenty of other examples but you can start there.

Joseph Glackin said:
Wrongo again. In the 111th Congress, the GOP in the House and the Senate voted as bloc so often they were called, “The Party of NO.” And it had nothing to do with Japanese theater. Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, and that egomaniacal party of one from Conn. were often with Chicken lips McConnell in the Senate. Many “blue dog” Dems. voted with the Boner.
I know you clowns like to rewrite history, but try not to be TOO obvious.
Also, learn the name of OUR President and my party, and you might be something besides teabaggers and reich-wingers.

Remind me of the issues, cupcake? Which legislation???Remind me how their rhetoric matched their votes. LOL. Funny, we were the party of “no”, when you had a super majority after diaper boy, Stuart Smalley, AKA, Al Franken, stole the election. AND YOU STILL COULD NOT PASS anything because your leftist garbage was finally called out. You wanted to “DEEM” legislation passed, and then we were told we could read it AFTER your princess Pelosi rammed it down America’s throat. Loser. What a joke.

Remind me when Ms. Lincoln tried to cross the isle, and the coward Ben Nelson. You must not recall Mr. Nelson being called on the carpet by your liberal socialist clowns. LOL.

All religions have their extremists,

Pope Reinstates Holocaust Denier – http://constantinessword.com/

ProObamaAgenda said:
hey dumbass….go burn a Koran then…..if youre not , stop talking shit……punks like you remind me of a dull knife…..talking loud but saying nothing

This dont even make sense. And how’s joining the army after 9/11? Sound like talking shit? Your a pussy and a retard.

ndanielson said:
Who on the left does not vote in lockstep with the democrat party??? You are a clown, and always have been. Name some of your famous isle crossers. I will for you Zell Miller. He was the last. Spit-ball.

lmfao have you not heard about kucinch and weiner both being against the action in libya? or how bout blue dog democrats voting against the hc law? Oh btw, we don’t call our own people Rinos or I guess in this case it would be DINOs. The left isn’t some monolithic thing it’s diverse unlike the right.

Group Hug said:
The president of the United states bombs a Muslim country and some nobody in Florida burns a Koran… guess which one is to blame for the rioting in Afghanistan. What is Mr. Graham hanging is hat on? the Main Stream Media? This is a politician who pulls his finger out of his Keister only to check which way the political winds blowing. This is a CAIR wet dream come true and Mr. Graham was the first to jump on the magic carpet. You are Mr. Graham the Anthony Weiner of the RNC.

I’m pretty sure the protestors said they were protesting the burning of the koran, nice try though.

ljam said:
Well you could start by actually reading the christian bible. I’ll help your out because its long and without pictures.. read Joshua 6:17–19 for example. If you need a more recent example you could look to the Bosnian Genocide in the 90s. Plenty of other examples but you can start there.

Give me some others. Please. As Bosnia was a genocide against 45% Muslims, 36% Serb Orthodox, and 15% Roman Catholics and the other 4% Jews and Catholics perpetrated by the communist Army of Republika Srpska (VRS) (Serbian), under the command of General Ratko Mladić. So which church did Ratko Mladić belong to again???

Read Sura 9 verse 29, or Sura 5, verse 51, or Sura 3 verse 28 and the introduction of taqqiya. What a nice book built on the art of lies and deceit, and your misogynistic, pedophile prophet. And look up the word abrogation, clown.

But tell me of how the Catholic church, and preachers in the 20th century have called for jihad, again?

Nationman said:
I’m pretty sure the protestors said they were protesting the burning of the koran, nice try though.

The koran should be dipped in piss, dried off and then burned.

Nationman said:
lmfao have you not heard about kucinch and weiner both being against the action in libya? or how bout blue dog democrats voting against the hc law? Oh btw, we don’t call our own people Rinos or I guess in this case it would be DINOs. The left isn’t some monolithic thing it’s diverse unlike the right.

Keep laughing as you tell me how they voted against ANY LEGISLATION from the left in the past 10 years. Go ahead, give us all a big laugh on that one.

Nationman said:
lmfao have you not heard about kucinch and weiner both being against the action in libya? or how bout blue dog democrats voting against the hc law? Oh btw, we don’t call our own people Rinos or I guess in this case it would be DINOs. The left isn’t some monolithic thing it’s diverse unlike the right.

Your boys talk the talk, but never walk the walk. Talk is cheap cupcake. The last one, after Zell Miller to speak out against your PARTY was Joe Lieberman. Where is he now, dipstick?

ndanielson said:
Give me some others. Please. As Bosnia was a genocide against 45% Muslims, 36% Serb Orthodox, and 15% Roman Catholics and the other 4% Jews and Catholics perpetrated by the communist Army of Republika Srpska (VRS) (Serbian), under the command of General Ratko Mladić. So which church did Ratko Mladić belong to again??? Read Sura 9 verse 29, or Sura 5, verse 51, or Sura 3 verse 28 and the introduction of taqqiya. What a nice book built on the art of lies and deceit, and your misogynistic, pedophile prophet. And look up the word abrogation, clown. But tell me of how the Catholic church, and preachers in the 20th century have called for jihad, again?

clever of you to ignore past atrocities by christians before the 20th century, cause those just dont’ count!

ndanielson said:
Roman Catholics and the other 4% Jews and Catholics

4% Jews and Protestants.

ndanielson said:
Remind me of the issues, cupcake? Which legislation???Remind me how their rhetoric matched their votes. LOL. Funny, we were the party of “no”, when you had a super majority after diaper boy,

The Democratic Party NEVER had a “Super Majority”, as you put it. There were 58 Democrats, 1 Socialist who caucused with the Dems., and the aforementioned prima donna from Conn., who sometimes caucused with the Dems. (enough to keep his chairmanship), but campaigned for the GOP and McCain.

ndanielson said:
Give me some others. Please. As Bosnia was a genocide against 45% Muslims, 36% Serb Orthodox, and 15% Roman Catholics and the other 4% Jews and Catholics perpetrated by the communist Army of Republika Srpska (VRS) (Serbian), under the command of General Ratko Mladić. So which church did Ratko Mladić belong to again??? Read Sura 9 verse 29, or Sura 5, verse 51, or Sura 3 verse 28 and the introduction of taqqiya. What a nice book built on the art of lies and deceit, and your misogynistic, pedophile prophet. And look up the word abrogation, clown. But tell me of how the Catholic church, and preachers in the 20th century have called for jihad, again?

ever hear of the Lašva Valley ethnic cleansing? all against muslims.

Nationman said:
clever of you to ignore past atrocities by christians before the 20th century, cause those just dont’ count!

Like I said: Just look how those Christian jihads are goin’ nuts.

Nationman said:
Lašva Valley

Muslims kill muslims everyday, cupcake. Try again.

ndanielson said:
Like I said: Just look how those Christian jihads are goin’ nuts.

certainly doesn’t make the religion any better when compared to atrocities before the 20th century.

ndanielson said:
Muslims kill muslims everyday, cupcake. Try again.

so you just completely ignored the atrocity then. http://www.icty.org/x/cases/kordic_cerkez/tjug/en/kor-tj010226e.pdf read the part where the leader denies involvement in the atrocity against muslims by claiming his men are good christians.

Joseph Glackin said:
Any deviation from the Constitution is grounds for challenge, inquisition, and rejection.

Fixed that for you, Joe.

ndanielson said:
The koran should be dipped in piss, dried off and then burned. Keep laughing as you tell me how they voted against ANY LEGISLATION from the left in the past 10 years. Go ahead, give us all a big laugh on that one.

ndanielson said:
The koran should be dipped in piss, dried off and then burned. Keep laughing as you tell me how they voted against ANY LEGISLATION from the left in the past 10 years. Go ahead, give us all a big laugh on that one.

try kucinich saying the effort is grounds for impeachment.

Pablo said:
Fixed that for you, Joe.

you really want to reach that far back in history and go against just about every major 20th century-21st century president?

Pablo said:
Fixed that for you, Joe.

My words come from my brain and my board. I am filing a request to flag you for altering my posting.

Nationman said:
ever hear of the Lašva Valley ethnic cleansing? all against muslims.

Perpetrated by whom, sweetpea?

Joseph Glackin said:
The Democratic Party NEVER had a “Super Majority”, as you put it. There were 58 Democrats, 1 Socialist who caucused with the Dems., and the aforementioned prima donna from Conn., who sometimes caucused with the Dems. (enough to keep his chairmanship), but campaigned for the GOP and McCain.

Wow, who knew??? Al Franken Win Hands Supermajority to Senate Democrats: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009/jul/09070105

The socialist Bernie Sanders Ind. and Joe Lieberman have voted against the D when??? LMFAO.

And then you had to bribe every vote you could! LMFAO. Party of NO!? Party of such sh!tty legislation that even your socialist clowns could hardly swallow it.

BatBoy said:
The Democrats in this country have never seemed to be able to find & use any restraint.

Remember how you were when George Bush was in office?

I’m not your caricature.

ljam said:
If you need a more recent example you could look to the Bosnian Genocide in the 90s. Plenty of other examples but you can start there.

What was the Christian rationale for the Bosnian Genocide?

Joseph Glackin said:
My words come from my brain and my board. I am filing a request to flag you for altering my posting.

AWWW poor thing. If you were ever misquoted, it would be an improvement. No doubt.

Steve_27 said:
So as long as we silense those crazy Jones’s of the world, Our country will be just fine and we dont have to worry about that debt and our “bad” presidents? Geez, talk about stupid.

Nope. Stupid is drawing your own unfounded conclusions from what I said, and not knowing how to spell silence.

ndanielson said:
Perpetrated by whom, sweetpea? P>

according to Dario Kordić, good honest christians http://www.icty.org/x/cases/kordic_cerkez/tjug/en/kor-tj010226e.pdf

Joseph Glackin said:
My words come from my brain and my board. I am filing a request to flag you for altering my posting.

Do it for the ideological purity, Joe! You da man, Comrade!

Nationman said:
try kucinich saying the effort is grounds for impeachment.

All talk, sweetpea. He said the same about Bush, and for the same reason. He’d like to LOOK consistent.

Maverick Ohio Democrat Dennis Kucinich is backing away from his “impeach Barack Obama” statements after it has become apparent that his fellow Democrats and the leadership of his party has no desire to back him.

Wow, are you that stupid?

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/39950 There are more, where the coward walks back his rhetoric. The “maverick” LOL!

ndanielson said:
Perpetrated by whom, sweetpea? Wow, who knew??? Al Franken Win Hands Supermajority to Senate Democrats: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009/jul/09070105 The socialist Bernie Sanders Ind. and Joe Lieberman have voted against the D when??? LMFAO. And then you had to bribe every vote you could! LMFAO. Party of NO!? Party of such sh!tty legislation that even your socialist clowns could hardly swallow it.

lieberman voted agains the hc law.

Nationman said:
you really want to reach that far back in history and go against just about every major 20th century-21st century president?

Yeah, that First Amendment sure is old, ain’t it? It’s from like a hundred years ago, and it’s really confusing and nobody knows what it means!

Nationman said:
lieberman voted agains the hc law.

Wow, and your party STILL rammed it down America’s throat without reading it??? He is brave. That is why is is ind. Dummy.

ndanielson said:
All talk, sweetpea. He said the same about Bush, and for the same reason. He’d like to LOOK consistent. Wow, are you that stupid? http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/39950 There are more, where the coward walks back his rhetoric. The “maverick” LOL!

and just how many conservatives actually criticized bush like at all? Try not to name somebody who’s been labeled as a rino buddy.

Nationman said:
according to Dario Kordić, good honest christians

That’s funny. The was one of the accused of genocide. But cite from your 370 page report. Or any where that a Christian Jihad was issued by which church, which holy writings, which priests, which Pope. Have at it.

Nationman said:
and just how many conservatives actually criticized bush like at all? Try not to name somebody who’s been labeled as a rino buddy.

Every one that I know. But then there is Mark Steyn, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbagh, Bill O, Glenn Beck. Those may be some YOU have heard of???

ndanielson said:
All talk, sweetpea. He said the same about Bush, and for the same reason. He’d like to LOOK consistent. Wow, are you that stupid? http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/39950 There are more, where the coward walks back his rhetoric. The “maverick” LOL!

also, you mean when kucinich voted against the reinstatement of the patriot act? or how bout jerrod nadler? also try 39 democrats voting against the health care bill: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll887.xml

ndanielson said:
Every one that I know. But then there is Mark Steyn, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbagh, Bill O, Glenn Beck. Those may be some YOU have heard of???

so they became real politicians, when again?

Nationman said:
so you just completely ignored the atrocity then. http://www.icty.org/x/cases/kordic_cerkez/tjug/en/kor-tj010226e.pdf read the part where the leader denies involvement in the atrocity against muslims by claiming his men are good christians.

LMFAO! That is rich! He’s trying to save his hide by claiming he couldn’t do what he is accused of BECAUSE he is Christian! Are you for real?

Joseph Glackin said:
I am filing a request to flag you for altering my posting.

LMAO !!!!! It’s true. A moron is born every minute .

Nationman said:
lieberman voted agains the hc law.

Wrong.

Nationman said:
so they became real politicians, when again?

Which spending bills of Bush did democrats vote down??? Besides whining about military spending?

ndanielson said:
Every one that I know. But then there is Mark Steyn, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbagh, Bill O, Glenn Beck. Those may be some YOU have heard of???

Which states do they represent? And, were they for Bush BEFORE they were against him? Are they, umm, FLIP-FLOPPERS? Cause, I seem to remember all of them saying a LOT of good things about W & Darth.

Nationman said:
also, you mean when kucinich voted against the reinstatement of the patriot act? or how bout jerrod nadler? also try 39 democrats voting against the health care bill: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll887.xml

Dude, after they have their numbers, it don’t much matter who votes Nay. Does it? Who speaks out against your agenda on the left? Zell Miller did. Ousted. Joe Lieberman did. Ousted. You were talking about a “nazi purity test”. I think we have settled the issue. We are still stuck with McCain, Snowe, Graham, and Collins. For now. I like the purity test. They belong on your side. Zell Miller’s spitball speech is one of the best in history. All you liberal sheep should watch it.

ndanielson said:
Which spending bills of Bush did democrats vote down??? Besides whining about military spending?

which spending bills of bush did republicans vote down?

Girth said:
LMAO !!!!! It’s true. A moron is born every minute .

Your mom was probably in labor for days with you.

ndanielson said:
Dude, after they have their numbers, it don’t much matter who votes Nay. Does it? Who speaks out against your agenda on the left? Zell Miller did. Ousted. Joe Lieberman did. Ousted. You were talking about a “nazi purity test”. I think we have settled the issue. We are still stuck with McCain, Snowe, Graham, and Collins. For now. I like the purity test. They belong on your side. Zell Miller’s spitball speech is one of the best in history. All you liberal sheep should watch it.

ahh so you’re argument is even if they are against something they aren’t really against it. How convenient.

Nationman said:
which spending bills of bush did republicans vote down?

Bush didn’t have enough votes to pass anything or stop anything without you clowns, dummy.

Joseph Glackin said:
And, were they for Bush BEFORE they were against him? Are they, umm, FLIP-FLOPPERS? Cause, I seem to remember all of them saying a LOT of good things about W & Darth.

Joe, you seem stuck on this love versus hate false choice. There are people I vehemently disagree with sometimes, and perfectly agree with other times. It depends on the issue, which I know causes you to have to think about them, but I find it really worth the effort.

ndanielson said:
Bush didn’t have enough votes to pass anything or stop anything without you clowns, dummy.

he also needed those in his own party to vote for it, moron.

Nationman said:
ahh so you’re argument is even if they are against something they aren’t really against it. How convenient.

Yup. Well, some of them do, anyway.

Pablo said:
Joe, you seem stuck on this love versus hate false choice. There are people I vehemently disagree with sometimes, and perfectly agree with other times. It depends on the issue, which I know causes you to have to think about them, but I find it really worth the effort.

I guess pablo fails the purity test.

Nationman said:
ahh so you’re argument is even if they are against something they aren’t really against it. How convenient.

Yes, it is a long known political ploy, sweetpea. And we were talking about outspoken politicians, and what happens to them, anyway.

Pablo said:
Yup. Well, some of them do, anyway.

nice way to completely go off topic.

ndanielson said:
Yes, it is a long known political ploy, sweetpea. And we were talking about outspoken politicians, and what happens to them, anyway.

so basically you’re saying no matter what they do, even if they act independtly they’re still the same. Ignorance is truly bliss.

ndanielson said:
Dude, after they have their numbers, it don’t much matter who votes Nay. Does it? Who speaks out against your agenda on the left? Zell Miller did. Ousted. Joe Lieberman did. Ousted. You were talking about a “nazi purity test”. I think we have settled the issue. We are still stuck with McCain, Snowe, Graham, and Collins. For now. I like the purity test. They belong on your side. Zell Miller’s spitball speech is one of the best in history. All you liberal sheep should watch it.

the purity test means that someone on the republican side actually has a difference of opinion other than your strict party code. But, by your logic, even if someone acts independently of their party they really aren’t.

Nationman said:
so basically you’re saying no matter what they do, even if they act independtly they’re still the same. Ignorance is truly bliss.

You are the ignorant one if you are unfamiliar with the process.

Nationman said:
the purity test means that someone on the republican side actually has a difference of opinion other than your strict party code. But, by your logic, even if someone acts independently of their party they really aren’t.

I guess it’s time to purge all the conservatives out of the party then.

ndanielson said:
You are the ignorant one if you are unfamiliar with the process.

I’m not unfamiliar, I am unfamiliar with it applying to major issues such as this one. whether or not the bill passes, simply making a statement of opposition can be a huge difference.

What did you guys do to Bennett in Utah? Wasn’t he pure enough?

Nationman said:
the purity test means that someone on the republican side actually has a difference of opinion other than your strict party code. But, by your logic, even if someone acts independently of their party they really aren’t.

Particularly if they offer no compelling argument as to why. But, I am for the purity test, sweetpea. It is how we got 60 years of liberalism to come to a head in the last 20 by liberals. The Snowes, Grahams, McCains, and Collins’ need to go the way of the Specter. Good riddance.

Joseph Glackin said:
What did you guys do to Bennett in Utah? Wasn’t he pure enough?

TARP.

Zell Miller. The last liberal who had balls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C58YAONY_hE

ndanielson said:
Particularly if they offer no compelling argument as to why. But, I am for the purity test, sweetpea. It is how we got 60 years of liberalism to come to a head in the last 20 by liberals. The Snowes, Grahams, McCains, and Collins’ need to go the way of the Specter. Good riddance.

Uncle Joe would be proud of you. Bring on the show trials!

Joseph Glackin said:
Uncle Joe would be proud of you. Bring on the show trials!

We on the right still believe in honest elections.

ndanielson said:
Zell Miller. The last liberal who had balls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C58YAONY_hE

A classic worth repeating. The last liberal who had balls in the democrat party. What did you do to Zell? LOL! He brought the house down.

ndanielson said:
Particularly if they offer no compelling argument as to why. But, I am for the purity test, sweetpea. It is how we got 60 years of liberalism to come to a head in the last 20 by liberals. The Snowes, Grahams, McCains, and Collins’ need to go the way of the Specter. Good riddance.

http://www.dailyyonder.com/democrat-opponents-health-bill-were-rural/2010/03/23/2656 so when dan boren says he is against it and states his reasoning you believe him right?

ndanielson said:
We on the right still believe in honest elections.

and dishonest inquisitions.

ndanielson said:
Yep, that Christian Jihad is going nuts, ain’t it?

I’m just wondering, what differeniates 20th century christianity from all those other centuries of it?

Nationman said:
http://www.dailyyonder.com/democrat-opponents-health-bill-were-rural/2010/03/23/2656 so when dan boren says he is against it and states his reasoning you believe him right?

Dude, how many waivers is 0bama giving out on his socialist health care??? Do I believe ANYTHING out of his mouth??? Maybe he has read it finally? Right.

ndanielson said:
A classic worth repeating. The last liberal who had balls in the democrat party. What did you do to Zell? LOL! He brought the house down.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Abraham_Lincoln_head_on_shoulders_photo_portrait.jpg the last republican who ever had balls.

ndanielson said:
Dude, how many waivers is 0bama giving out on his socialist health care??? Do I believe ANYTHING out of his mouth??? Maybe he has read it finally? Right.

just keep diggin yourself deeper.

Nationman said:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Abraham_Lincoln_head_on_shoulders_photo_portrait.jpg the last republican who ever had balls.

meh, maybe one more: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Theodore_Roosevelt_circa_1902.jpg

Nationman said:
I’m just wondering, what differeniates 20th century christianity from all those other centuries of it?

Lack of murder in the name of Christ??? Zero fatwahs issued against cartoonists or bible burners?

ndanielson said:
Lack of murder in the name of Christ??? Zero fatwahs issued against cartoonists or bible burners?

so christianity was a religion of violence and now it’s a religion of peace? what changed? did the bible change?

Nationman said:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Abraham_Lincoln_head_on_shoulders_photo_portrait.jpg the last republican who ever had balls.

Bush had balls, and he was a fighter pilot. Christy has balls, West has balls, Jindal has balls, Rubio has balls, Barbour has balls, hell Palin has balls, Bachmann has balls, Haley has balls. You have Weiner, and Schmucky, and Dicky Durbin, and the coward Kerry. LOL.

ndanielson said:
Bush had balls, and he was a fighter pilot. Christy has balls, West has balls, Jindal has balls, Rubio has balls, Barbour has balls, hell Palin has balls, Bachmann has balls, Haley has balls. You have Weiner, and Schmucky, and Dicky Durbin, and the coward Kerry. LOL.

“the wimp kerry”, you mean the vietnam vet kerry? what war was bush a veteran of again?

Nationman said:
so christianity was a religion of violence and now it’s a religion of peace? what changed? did the bible change?

The acceptance of Christ as savior. The teachings of Christ were NEVER violent.

Nationman said:
“the wimp kerry”, you mean the vietnam vet kerry? what war was bush a veteran of again?

talking about w here not senior.

ndanielson said:
The acceptance of Christ as savior. The teachings of Christ were NEVER violent.

yet the entirety of the old testament was, which they used often as the basis for their military incursions/genocide/inquisitions.

Nationman said:
“the wimp kerry”, you mean the vietnam vet kerry? what war was bush a veteran of again?

Who called his fellow soldiers killers, rapists and baby killers. Threw his fake medals over the white house lawn, and caused injuries to himself for a discharge. You must have missed that news???

ndanielson said:
The acceptance of Christ as savior. The teachings of Christ were NEVER violent.

also if they teachings of christ are nonviolent, how do you justify supporting any war?

Nationman said:
yet the entirety of the old testament was, which they used often as the basis for their military incursions/genocide/inquisitions.

They? When, who, sweetpea?

ndanielson said:
Who called his fellow soldiers killers, rapists and baby killers. Threw his fake medals over the white house lawn, and caused injuries to himself for a discharge. You must have missed that news???

all bush did was avoid the draft and get daddy to pay his way out of it.

ndanielson said:
They? When, who, sweetpea?

do you want a list of medieval atrocities? I’ll get them for you if you do.

Nationman said:
also if they teachings of christ are nonviolent, how do you justify supporting any war?

Investing in spitballs.

Nationman said:
do you want a list of medieval atrocities? I’ll get them for you if you do.

Are we living in medieval times??? Because what relevance are they today??? To who? When? Why?

ndanielson said:
Are we living in medieval times??? Because what relevance are they today??? To who? When? Why?

relavence to the entire christian religion you numbskull!

Nationman said:
all bush did was avoid the draft and get daddy to pay his way out of it.

That’s funny that you bring that up. Because Dan Rather could have just as easily found documents where Bush asked to be deployed, and as a National Guard pilot very well could have. But forging documents is so much more a liberal thing, ya know?

Nationman said:
relavence to the entire christian religion you numbskull!

Really, for some moral relativism??? Really? Relevant to whom apologists? Are you a relativist or an apologist, sweetpea? Or both. Wow.

ndanielson said:
That’s funny that you bring that up. Because Dan Rather could have just as easily found documents where Bush asked to be deployed, and as a National Guard pilot very well could have. But forging documents is so much more a liberal thing, ya know?

so all those payroll discrepancies and missing time sheets were nothing? This is of course coming from the guy who believes obama isn’t from this country.

ndanielson said:
Really, for some moral relativism??? Really? Relevant to whom apologists? Are you a relativist or an apologist, sweetpea? Or both. Wow.

You’re going to use namecalling as an argument? wow. , why can’t you just admit your religion has just as much violence as someone elses? Condemning radical islamists for doing stupid evil things is one thing, condemning an entire religion is another thing all together.

ndanielson said:
The acceptance of Christ as savior. The teachings of Christ were NEVER violent.

You go sleep on that, sweetpea, and compare it to the pedophile Mohammed. Religious equivalence is just as sick, as moral equivalence.

ndanielson said:
You go sleep on that, sweetpea, and compare it to the pedophile Mohammed. Religious equivalence is just as sick, as moral equivalence.

and you go to sleep on the great teachings of the old testament, all that genocide, condoning rape, incest, slavery etc. It’s good stuff.

Nationman said:
so all those payroll discrepancies and missing time sheets were nothing? This is of course coming from the guy who believes obama isn’t from this country.

He isn’t fit to lead, and he is hiding something, but say what ever you need to, Nationman. Woooo.

Look up a speech by Geert Wilders. He is someone the islamofacists would love to find, to simply behead: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/geert_wilders_in_rome_defendin.html

It tackles another great liberal fallacy: Multiculturalism and cultural relativism. Enjoy.

Nationman said:
and you go to sleep on the great teachings of the old testament, all that genocide, condoning rape, incest, slavery etc. It’s good stuff.

And islamofacists still practice most of it! See the difference? Yet?

ndanielson said:
And islamofacists still practice most of it! See the difference? Yet?

i do, that’s why i said this previously at the beginning of this:

Nationman said:
meh in general I’m against burning books. Doesn’t justify the islamists reaction though. I would say though, their religion is about hundreds of years behind most major faiths, about six hundred years behind chrisitianity. Not gonna get into it but the whole medieval period was fraught with christian abuses. I would say they need to time to develop their society beyond mindless religious extremism and start ignoring parts of their own book like good christians do. Also graham is a moron and LOL at the people calling him a Rino, just proves there really isn’t any diversity of thought within the conservative movement.

ndanielson said:
You go sleep on that, sweetpea, and compare it to the pedophile Mohammed. Religious equivalence is just as sick, as moral equivalence.

Compare it to Deuteronomy and Joshua, where god commanded the Israelites to annihilate;
“the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, and the Hivites and the Jebuzites.”

ndanielson said:
You go sleep on that, sweetpea, and compare it to the pedophile Mohammed. Religious equivalence is just as sick, as moral equivalence.

For this century, try the Belgians in the Congo, the Ustas’a in Croatia, the Serbian Orthodox in Bosnia-Herzegovina, or the Brits in South Africa against the Afrikaaners or the Bengali in what is now Bangladesh.

Why do you hate the Jews, Joe?

Joseph Glackin said:
For this century, try the Belgians in the Congo, the Ustas’a in Croatia, the Serbian Orthodox in Bosnia-Herzegovina, or the Brits in South Africa against the Afrikaaners or the Bengali in what is now Bangladesh.

Um, Joe? Do you know what century it is?

Like our Founding Fathers, I’m a Deist/Gaian, so I think that the End Times prophesized in both the Bible. and the Koran, are fictional constructs. However, there is such a thing as self-fulfilling prophesy. The coming continuation of the “Crusades” between the Christian faith, and the Islamic faith, is on the horizon, and it is unavoidable.

I hate to be the secular prophet of doom, here, but the Christians will be unable to convert the Muslim world to Christianity, and the Muslims will be unable to convert the Christian world to Islam. The world’s fate has long been guaranteed by the different interpretations of these two overlapping mythologies. The decision that my wife and I made many decades ago, not to have children, in anticipation of this self-fulfilling apocalyptic scenario, is looking more and more wise everyday.

Excusing the burning of the Koran as Free Speech not only puts our troops in danger it puts all of the United States of America in danger. Being that we are in engaged in more than one war the leader of this so called church and it’s members should be charged with treason.

There are times that I want to burn the bible just because of behaviors that this man and many like him have engaged in. But I don’t, who knows what will come of it if I do. Those right winged extremtists just might hang me if I do, being that I too am a person of color.

Klaatu said:
The decision that my wife and I made many decades ago, not to have children, in anticipation of this self-fulfilling apocalyptic scenario, is looking more and more wise everyday.

Indeed. The last thing this country needs is more raw foodists who think George Washington was a Gaia-worshiper. I thank you for your service, such as it is.

Writing a book, burning a book, drawing a cartoon….it doesn’t take a whole lot to set them off.

BadGenome said:
Indeed. The last thing this country needs is more raw foodists who think George Washington was a Gaia-worshiper. I thank you for your service, such as it is.

Actually, in Washington’s case, I think he was more Deist than Gaian. He definitely believed in some sort of Divine Providence, but again, that only makes him a Deist. He was a Masonic Grand Master, and he signed the Declaration of Independence that praised “nature’s god”, and the “laws of nature”, for crying out loud. Those are not references to the Judeo-Christian “God”, no matter how badly Conservative/Christian America would like to pretend that they are.

Klaatu said:
The decision that my wife and I made many decades ago, not to have children, in anticipation of this self-fulfilling apocalyptic scenario, is looking more and more wise everyday.

I, for one, would like to applaud and thank you for that decision.

Pablo said:
I, for one, would like to applaud and thank you for that decision.

You’re welcome. But, let’s drill down on this. Do you have children, Pablo?

Klaatu said:
Actually, in Washington’s case, I think he was more Deist than Gaian. He definitely believed in some sort of Divine Providence, but again, that only makes him a Deist. He was a Masonic Grand Master, and he signed the Declaration of Independence that praised “nature’s god”, and the “laws of nature”, for crying out loud. Those are not references to the Judeo-Christian “God”, no matter how badly Conservative/Christian America would like to pretend that they are.

For crying out loud, he also said:

“My ears hear with pleasure the other matters you mention. Congress will be glad to hear them too. You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do every thing they can to assist you in this wise intention; and to tie the knot of friendship and union so fast, that nothing shall ever be able to loose it.”

It is equal parts hilarious and dismaying what an absolute disregard for history you and your ilk display on a regular basis. It’s akin to watching Bill Maher claim that Obama is lying about his religion out of his desire for Obama to be a cool secular humanist like himself.

BadGenome said:
For crying out loud, he also said: “My ears hear with pleasure the other matters you mention. Congress will be glad to hear them too. You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do every thing they can to assist you in this wise intention; and to tie the knot of friendship and union so fast, that nothing shall ever be able to loose it.” It is equal parts hilarious and dismaying what an absolute disregard for history you and your ilk display on a regular basis. It’s akin to watching Bill Maher claim that Obama is lying about his religion out of his desire for Obama to be a cool secular humanist like himself.

Well, as we all know, politicians would never pretend to be something they’re not, just to sway a voting block.

Washington, his entire life, refused to take communion. He did, indeed, go to church. But, I’ll bet it was only Martha’s having death grip on one of his ears, and a hickory stick firing on his rear end, that got him there.

Do you really want to go the “quote the Founders on Christianity” route, BadGenome? Because, that’s probably one of the few quotes, from a “primary” founder, that you’ve got available. I’ve got dozens from Paine, Adams, Franklin, Jefferson, and Madison (The Main Dudes). Say the word, and I’ll start posting them.

Here’s a sampler:

“I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!” – John Adams

Klaatu said:
Well, as we all know, politicians would never pretend to be something they’re not, just to sway a voting block.

Washington, his entire life, refused to take communion. He did, indeed, go to church. But, I’ll bet it was only Martha’s having death grip on one of his ears, and a hickory stick firing on his rear end, that got him there.

Do you really want to go the “quote the Founders on Christianity” route, BadGenome? Because, that’s probably one of the few quotes, from a “primary” founder, that you’ve got available. I’ve got dozens from Paine, Adams, Franklin, Jefferson, and Madison (The Main Dudes). Say the word, and I’ll start posting them.

Here’s a sampler:

“I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!” – John Adams

That’s hardly a slam against Christianity as a whole. The founders were famously skeptical of organized religion, and one can certainly criticize aspects of a religion – such as idolatry of the cross – while still being an adherent of said religion. The church I attended as a kid was adamant against the practice of using the cross as a symbol, for instance, but it was wholly and unapologetically Christian.

As usual, you are grasping at straws. If you really want to impress me, lay off the quotes that are merely critical of Christianity and start providing some that show the founding fathers engaging in Gaia worship. And please, no more of this “Divine Providence = GAIA!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS SO OBVIAUS!!!!!1!!” silliness.

notsofast said:
You prove that day in and day out, son.

You moron, nobody is your son. You are shooting blanks just like you always shoot your mouth off and send an effluvia of human waste across the internet. Please go to a psychiatrist.

The Pastor Terry Jones and those who supported him should be locked in the church and burned to death along with all their “Christian Bible.” The words “Christian” and “Bible” really don’t belong together, I have never found a “Christian” who followed the words of Christ.

murphy0071 said:
The Pastor Terry Jones and those who supported him should be locked in the church and burned to death along with all their “Christian Bible.” The words “Christian” and “Bible” really don’t belong together, I have never found a “Christian” who followed the words of Christ.

wow, i see you’re not much better than the muslim extremists….

murphy0071 said:
The Pastor Terry Jones and those who supported him should be locked in the church and burned to death along with all their “Christian Bible.” The words “Christian” and “Bible” really don’t belong together, I have never found a “Christian” who followed the words of Christ.

You are the worst person ever to stand before the Arc de Triomphe.

BadGenome said:
That’s hardly a slam against Christianity as a whole. The founders were famously skeptical of organized religion, and one can certainly criticize aspects of a religion – such as idolatry of the cross – while still being an adherent of said religion. The church I attended as a kid was adamant against the practice of using the cross as a symbol, for instance, but it was wholly and unapologetically Christian. As usual, you are grasping at straws. If you really want to impress me, lay off the quotes that are merely critical of Christianity and start providing some that show the founding fathers engaging in Gaia worship. And please, no more of this “Divine Providence = GAIA!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS SO OBVIAUS!!!!!1!!” silliness.

You’re assuming that I used “Gaia” in the mythological sense. Nope. I was using it because it is commonly used to describe the god of Pantheism. I could have used “Mother Earth” just as easily.

And, I never equated Gaia to Divine Providence. I equated the Deism half of that descripter, “Deism/Gaia”, that you keep leaving off (intentionally), with Divine Providence.

Tell me something BadGenome. Why do you think that all those brilliant Founding Fathers agreed to sign a document that gave homage to the “laws of nature” and “nature’s god”? Odd, isn’t it, that they chose to use the words that the Deists of the Enlightenment era were using to describe their version of God?

If they had wanted to frame and develop a “Christian” nation, why didn’t they insist that the Declaration read the “Laws of Moses” and the Bible’s God”? It would have been that simple. And, had they really wanted to seal the deal, towards a Christian nation, they could have thrown the “Laws of Moses” and the Bible’s God” into the Constitution. They didn’t, because that’s exactly what they wanted to avoid – a Union, with a “favored” religion.

Again, there won’t be any more “Divine Providence = the Gaia Myth” because it was never implied (intentionally) in the first place. Think “pantheism” and we’ll be on the same page. Limbaugh always uses the Gaia term when referring to environmentalism/pantheism. He’s got me using it in place of Pantheism now. Well, we can’t have that. I’ll use Deist/Pantheist when describing the Founders from now on, I’ve learned my lesson in using more precise terminology. Thanks.

Klaatu said:
You’re assuming that I used “Gaia” in the mythological sense. Nope. I was using it because it is commonly used to describe the god of Pantheism. I could have used “Mother Earth” just as easily.

And, I never equated Gaia to Divine Providence. I equated the Deism half of that descripter, “Deism/Gaia”, that you keep leaving off (intentionally), with Divine Providence.

Tell me something BadGenome. Why do you think that all those brilliant Founding Fathers agreed to sign a document that gave homage to the “laws of nature” and “nature’s god”? Odd, isn’t it, that they chose to use the words that the Deists of the Enlightenment era were using to describe their version of God?

If they had wanted to frame and develop a “Christian” nation, why didn’t they insist that the Declaration read the “Laws of Moses” and the Bible’s God”? It would have been that simple. And, had they really wanted to seal the deal, towards a Christian nation, they could have thrown the “Laws of Moses” and the Bible’s God” into the Constitution. They didn’t, because that’s exactly what they wanted to avoid – a Union, with a “favored” religion.

Again, there won’t be any more “Divine Providence = the Gaia Myth” because it was never implied (intentionally) in the first place. Think “pantheism” and we’ll be on the same page. Limbaugh always uses the Gaia term when referring to environmentalism/pantheism. He’s got me using it in place of Pantheism now. Well, we can’t have that. I’ll use Deist/Pantheist when describing the Founders from now on, I’ve learned my lesson in using more precise terminology. Thanks.

So all their references to Jesus and the Gospels were just fodder for the stupid masses, and every time they referenced Nature’s God it was their real colors shining through? As I said before, this is precisely what Maher says about Obama. It boils down to nothing more than, “I LIKE THEM AND I WANT THEM TO BE LIKE ME.”

I am sorry your entire life revolves around Rush Limbaugh and what he says and does because he referenced your little food blog that one time. I do find it wildly hilarious that your very language is being influenced by a guy you so despise, though.

BadGenome said:
I am sorry your entire life revolves around Rush Limbaugh and what he says and does because he referenced your little food blog that one time. I do find it wildly hilarious that your very language is being influenced by a guy you so despise, though.

Mr. Limbaugh has never mentioned the site. He just said something that let us know that he was reading our blog. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that he’s watching this thread right now. Either that, or he’s reading printouts that somebody else is handing him.

If I’m obsessed with anythting BG, it’s my career. This blogging stuff is just a little sideline distraction. I’d love to stay and chat with you about the Founders’ Deism, but there’s a new article on Mediaite, about Mr. Limbaugh, that requires my attention. I’m sure you’ll find your way, if you already haven’t.

Klaatu said:
Mr. Limbaugh has never mentioned the site. He just said something that let us know that he was reading our blog. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that he’s watching this thread right now. Either that, or he’s reading printouts that somebody else is handing him.

If I’m obsessed with anythting BG, it’s my career. This blogging stuff is just a little sideline distraction. I’d love to stay and chat with you about the Founders’ Deism, but there’s a new article on Mediaite, about Mr. Limbaugh, that requires my attention. I’m sure you’ll find your way, if you already haven’t.

Yeah, I’m quite sure one of the most successful talk radio stars alive is stalking you online. Christ almighty…

BadGenome said:
Yeah, I’m quite sure one of the most successful talk radio stars alive is stalking you online. Christ almighty…

That’s not quite what we suggested. “Monitoring”, would be more accurate. Would you like to discuss what Mr. Limbaugh is hiding, BadGenome?

I wrote a letter to my Senators today asking that they kindly inform their colleague that freedom of speech is not just a “good idea” but a Constitutional Right!

This christian muslim controversy is a bunch of hog wash. They are all a bunch of fools looking for an excuse to kill each other. My god is better than your god and I’ll kill you if you don’t worship my god, this is insanity at it’s worst. This fight over religion must really piss god off. He is probably sorry he ever created humans after seeing how they carry on using his name to kill other humans. God created humans and humans are killing gods creations, I don’t think he is pleased with that.