‘A Lot of Sh*t!’ Conservative Pundit Douglas Murray Clashes With Comedian Dave Smith in Heated Joe Rogan Debate

Conservative pundit and journalist Douglas Murray minced no words in his recent debate with Dave Smith on The Joe Rogan Experience, accusing Smith of throwing “out a lot of shit” information on topics he knew little about – particularly foreign policy.

The exchange began with Murray challenging host Joe Rogan, who also got his start in comedy, for platforming controversial figures like Ian Carroll and Darryl Cooper – who have both been accused of Nazi-era historical revisionism.

“But why do you think that is? I’m just interested in your selection of guests because you’re like the world’s number one podcast,” Murray asked Rogan.

“I don’t think about it that way. I just think I’d like to talk to this person,” Rogan replied.

“Sure. Sure. If you’re going to interview historians of the conflict or historians in general, why would you get somebody like Ian Carroll?” Murray pressed.

“Yeah. But Ian Carroll, I didn’t bring him on for that purpose. I brought him on because I want to find out how does one get involved in the whole conspiracy theory business,” Rogan pushed back, adding, “Because his whole thing is just conspiracies.”

“But do you have any, I mean, there’s been a tilt in the conversation, both conversations in the last couple of years, and it’s largely to do with people who have appointed themselves experts, who are not experts,” Murray replied.

“You mean like Ian? I don’t think he appoints himself an expert in anything,” Rogan replied.

“Who’s that other dude who thinks he’s an expert on Churchill? Darryl?” Murray pressed.

“Daryl Cooper does not think he’s an expert,” Rogan replied, as Smith added, “In fact, I think it’s everybody else is always calling him an expert, and he’s like, I’m just a history–”

“Have you ever absorbed any of his material? Have you ever consumed any of his podcasts or anything like that?” Rogan asked.

“I’ve tried,” Murray replied, adding, “It’s pretty hard to listen to somebody who says, I don’t know what I’m talking about, but now I’m going to talk, or I don’t know about this, or I’m not capable of debating this historian, but I’m going to just tell you what I think.”

“Yeah, but that’s not exactly what Darryl was saying. I mean, Darryl’s point of view, however you feel about this, is what Darryl was saying is he doesn’t really like doing debates. He likes to do long-form stuff where he can really explain his position,” Smith offered of Cooper, who has stirred controversies with claims that Winston Churchill was worse than Hitler during World War II.

“If you throw a lot of shit out there, there’s some point at which I’m just raising questions is not a valid thing. You’re not raising questions. You’re not asking questions. You’re telling people something,” Murray replied.

“Do you think Darryl’s doing that?” Rogan pressed.

“I think there’s a whole bunch of guys doing that. I think Dave is doing that very obviously. Dave is a comedian, but he’s now mainly talking about Israel,” Murray said, looking toward Smith.

“No. I don’t know if I’m mainly talking about Israel,” Rogan protested.

“That’s all I see you on the Internet doing,” Murray replied as Rogan suggested, “Well, that might be what you’ve seen. It’s just you consuming clips.”

“But that is also your shtick now, isn’t it?” Murray insisted.

“Well, what do you mean by that’s my shtick?” Smith asked.

“Well, you’re not a geopolitics guy in general, are you?” Murray added.

“I don’t even know exactly what you’re asking,” Smith hit back.

“I’m saying you’ve decided, being a comedian, you’ve decided now to become somebody who talks about Israel,” Murray replied.

“I think you’re incorrect. I don’t think it’s a decision. I just think you have long-form conversations, multiple of them,” Rogan added, “It’s a huge event.”

“I think if you’re on the outside, you’d say, oh, look, they’re trying to get attention by talking about this very polarizing issue publicly,” Rogan continued.

“But you do get attention from that. If you’d spent the last year speaking about Myanmar, you would not be on my lips,” Murray replied.

“Yeah, but he does talk about Yemen constantly. He talks about a lot of things that aren’t in the news,” Rogan offered.

Smith jumped in, “Well, I tend to talk about the conflicts that my government is directly involved in, which I think is reasonable to me. But I don’t quite get, like, what’s all the appeal to authority stuff? I mean, you have to be an expert, or what exactly makes you an expert?”

“I think authority matters. I think that if you just throw a lot of shit out there and then say, I’m not interested in the alternative views on this, and particularly when it’s a counter-narrative that is wildly off. And when you get people– look, I just feel, we should get it out straight away. I feel you’ve opened the door to quite a lot of people who’ve now got a big platform who have been throwing out counter-historical stuff of a very dangerous kind,” Murray hit back.

Watch the clip above and full interview here.