Oprah eat your heart out.

Lets get over the “Oprah” or the “Beck” labels and bring focus on the actual book. “The Road to Serfdom” is a classic and should be required reading regardless of your ideology. It’s too bad the majority of this post focuses on the Beck narrative rather than the bigger picture.

This is absolutely hilarious, and a prime example of the superficiality with which Glen(n) deals with every subject. Glen(n) has either not read Hayek or has miserably failed to understand him. True, Hayek did advocate free markets, but Hayek understood that a free market had to, by necessity be an international market. If you read Hayek carefully, you realize that he tells us that market controls work only at a localized or on a global level, never on a national level. And, Hayek, who always proclaimed himself a liberal and always firmly rejected conservatism and being labeled a conservative, saw conservatism as a great enemy to the free market. Two of his principles bear note:

[1] Moral and religious ideals are never properly the objects of coercion. So, a Defense of Marriage Bill, an Anti-Abortion Bill would be anathemas to a free society. And, because they are coercive, create a moral dictate instead of an imperative and impact upon personal freedom of choice, thereby creating a negative market impact as well. Free choice and free will always work together with Hayek.

[2] Conservatism is inherently hostile to internationalism and therefore to personal freedom and market freedom, and conservatism is always prone to strident nationalism, the natural enemy of personal freedom and market freedom.

Hayek is, indeed, worth a read, a careful read. He is a difficult read. When Hayek works in English, there is Austrian-laced Germanic syntax filtered through British English vocabulary. Hayek is worth the effort. It is just a shame Glen(n) didn’t make the effort.

Whose Oprah? Oh yeah she’s that woman that tells other women how they should live, about relationships and marriage…but strangely can’t commit to cold fish Stedman. I simply can’t understand why people listen to her.

It’s too bad the majority of this post focuses on the Beck narrative rather than the bigger picture.

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Indeed, it is. Of course, this is a media site.To the extent Glen(n) promotes reading of Hayek, I commend him. To the extent he goes to a Hayek cafeteria, he has done harm

I might add that some really good beach reading would be a cocktail of Hegel and Hayek. I don’t think we can say Hayek is Hegelian, but the models are the same.

he Real Royal King,

He is a Classic Liberal – i.e. a libertarian. He was not a “big government will take care of everything” type person. Like most libertarians, he was for free trade, not protectionism. Also, since when the hell was an American liberal ever concerned about the free market, personal freedom and personal liberty. Just the other day old Barney Frank was telling a group of kool-aid drinkers that they should give the Dems more power and authority, i.e. more government power, to make the country more “progressive.”

I consider myself a Liberal, LNR, and I am deeply concerned with personal freedom and personal liberty. And, I believe there is a firm link between personal freedom and a free market. I’m rather offended at your suggestion to the contrary. Indeed, I find the the distortion of this formula as Republican as Democrat, as progressive as conservative.

By the way, Hayek called himself a liberal, but, as you may have implied, that could be more of a “liberal” in the classic sense of the word.

Not bad for someone as insignificant as Beck, eh libs?

King..why do you assume Beck didn’t read the book? Because he didn’t reach the same filtered conclusion as you?

Who cares!!! My boyfriend thinks the same with me. He- is eight years older than me, lol. We met online at an age gap dating site[ S E E K C O U G A R *c-o-m_]—a nice and free place for Younger- Women and Older Men, or Older Women and Younger Men, to interact with each other. Maybe you wanna check out or- tell your friends

I always like it when someone encourages people to read, whether it is Beck or Oprah or J.K. Rowling. Not enough people, especially young people, read these days. When I am on the train everyone is on their Blackberry and hardly anyone is reading.

Liberty – Not Redistribution says:
June 10, 2010 at 9:15 am
And I can’t understand why people listen to a man blatantly misrepresents history. Guess we’re even.

@MichelleF: On a similar note, a 26 year old song from a Seattle cult band just broke onto the pop charts by selling 2809 copies. (I’m sorry. Someone had to do it. via Gawker)

@Liberty – Not Redistribution: The whole “liberals don’t believe in free markets, personal liberty or freedom” meme is getting kind of tiresome and I’m sure you wouldn’t (or didn’t) like it, when people make such sweeping or misleading generalizations from the other side.

RL, it’s your opinion that he misrepresents history. In the opine of many on the right, it’s routinely done in our public schools and by those on the left. I guess we are all allowed to have our own opinions.

MichelleF says:
June 10, 2010 at 9:35 am
Did we ever say he was insignificant? No, quite the contrary. He has a pulpit and a lot of power. And to be corny and quote Uncle Ben with great power comes great responsibility. He’s not living up to that by inciting violence and blatantly misrepresenting the facts. It’s like calling Sarah Palin a role model for all women when she’s done virtually nothing and most intelligent women actually resent her.

Me1Ranger: I actually suffered through this Bloated Blond’s Bologna this time, and I can say he gave not the slightest indication of any understanding of the admittedly complex Hayek. He may have read the dust jacket, but not the book. I doubt he even read the Cliff Notes. No understanding. None. Nada. Rien. Nichts. If he had read the book and understood it, he would never be promoting. It is the antithesis of all Glen(n) says he believes in. In fairness, of course, Glen(n) believes in a mass of contradictions. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t fault Glen(n) for his inability to read the book or to understand it. It is complex and requires some prerequisite reading to understanding it.

MichelleF says:
June 10, 2010 at 9:47 am
It would be my opine, were it not for the fact that many historians have called out Beck for his falsities. I’m more inclined to believe them. It’s just like the situation in Texas where conservative politicians basically rewrote history. They tried to omit slavery from the slave trade for god’s sake. I don’t want politicians writing history curriculum, I want historians who know the story and know what is relevant and know the actual facts doing it.

RL, he routinely has historians on his program, which you would know IF you watched him. I could probably find a historian to says Elvis is still alive, if I wanted to. You’re just listening to those who are saying what you want.

Oh well King, I think that your hater streak is showing. To assume the book is too complex for him to understand is a low blow..I suggest you contact him and hash that out. If you got the balls..let us know what he says in his defense, will you?

rewriting history after it was rewritten by mentally polluted products of liberal accademia..there fixed that for ya.

So is history being rewritten by mentally polluted products of conservative dentists in Texas?

@pauldoro

You are so right, do young people today even know what a library is? Do they still go to them? As I drive down the street I look over and see them texting with one hand, and driving with the other. LOL. Yes F. A. Hayek was a classic Liberal such as I. We are a dieing breed. Soon we will all be gone and the progressives will have taken our place. All I can say to you young people is. Once Upon a time. There “was” a free America….

Beck recommends a book, people read it, and they make up their own mind. Just like anyone taking a book recommendation. At least they’re reading.

Magister and Real King,

Fair enough. I apologize about the generalization. Additionally, I don’t care what other generalizations were claimed. I don’t goose-step to either ideology. I find both sides constantly accept various laws and measures which effect personal liberty and individual freedom. The Patriot Act, Affirmative Action, anti-2nd Amendment laws, the health insurance mandate are just a few examples. But I rarely, if ever, have heard of a modern liberal, not the classical liberals, support the free market.

Too bad Beck himself doesn’t know history.

The sad retard quoted a socialist in his CPAC speech and he didn’t even know it.

Burnnotice,

Good point.

Agreed paul.

MichelleF says:
June 10, 2010 at 9:54 am
I try to keep my head out of the lion’s mouth of biased media, but I actually do watch Beck, and I’ve seen some of the historians he’s had on his “Founders Friday” specials, and I’ve checked some of their own findings with those of more prominent sources and they’ve actually been wrong. Prime example Beck and some of his historian’s argument that you “have to get rid of the founding fathers to make progressivism work” and the historians agreed with him. That’s blatantly false. The Founder’s were at best moderates, but for the time in which they lived they were very much progressives. They tried the loose federal gov’t approach with low taxes and greater states powers and realized that it was too flawed to work. The result was our current Constitution which was of course a landmark document that much of the world would later copy. The very reason that it has survived so long is it’s ability to adapt, one of the principles of progressivism is change and reform that meets the needs of the time. So in essence, progressivism was actually built into the constitution, this is further exemplified by the 3/5ths compromise which was made null by the post civil war amendments. So yes, Beck blatantly misrepresents the facts. Beck is also wrong on the founding fathers’ position on slavery, they were divided. Beck has a trivial knowledge of history at best, but he preys on the Conservative paranoia that liberals distort history, and you guys buy into it.

Burnnotice says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:01 am
Please tell me what freedoms are being taken away, I would love to hear………

How about breathing without paying for health care..wise guy

“conservative paranoia” like clinging to our God, guns and gold..that what you mean, lib?

me1ranger says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:23 am
False!
Businesses with more than 20 people are required to provide health care to employees working more than 20 hours a week. You’re not really required to pay for anything, you can opt out. It’s the same as car insurance, and you don’t b*tch and moan about that, do you? No because it’s been like that for the longest.

There is conservative paranoia. My father-in-law goes on and on about how we are losing all of our freedoms and this country will be ruined in less than three years. But that kind of talk has existed at least since the Pilgrims first arrived. It’s nothing new, and it’s a whole lot of hot air.

me1ranger says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:25 am
Exactly!! Your God Ronald Reagan, your guns for shooting the 1 in 100,000 people who will rob you and all that gold that Glenn Beck has you buying. Why don’t you go to the corner store and pay with gold? Or how about when you cash in 1000 dollars and get a pebble?

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:27 am

me1ranger says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:23 am
False!
Businesses with more than 20 people are required to provide health care to employees working more than 20 hours a week. You’re not really required to pay for anything, you can opt out.”

Nice lie, you libby liar.

Health Care Reform: Changes Happening in 2014

* All US citizens will be forced to have health insurance coverage considered acceptable by the US Government or else pay a fine of $95 in 2014, $325 in 2015, $695 in 2016 (capped at 2.5% of AGI). All of the fines are per person per year except for families have a cap on the total fine of $2,250 and the fine amount for children is half of the adult fine.

Individual Mandate:

* In 2014, everyone must purchase health insurance or face a $695 annual fine. There are some exceptions for low-income people.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html

What about companies with fewer employees? What do those poor people do? Anyway..you’re misguided in your argument, lib. “not really required to pay for anything” is ignorant of how business works. Consumers will all pay for it in the end, get it. There’s no never ending pile of magic-money, or obamas’ stash to pay for what is one of the largest expenses incurred by our people. And the bogus argument comparing this to auto insurance, are you serious? Don’t drive and you don’t pay, try that with breathing..go ahead, hold your breath. Now is that reasonable..lib?

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:35 am
Once again, you can opt out. The “fine” is an opt out fee. As I’ve said before it’s just like car insurance. Nice try there, dummy. Is this going to be like the Jewish-race conversation where you denounce everything I say despite all of the proof I provide?

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:38 am

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:35 am
Once again, you can opt out. The “fine” is an opt out fee. ”

LOL

Everyone here- TRL has decided that Jews are a race! No joke, he made them a race!

LMAO

June 10, 2010 at 10:35 am
Once again, you can opt out. The “fine” is an opt out fee. ”

Yes, you can “opt out” of paying your taxes. Prison is your opt out fee!

And remember at first, jail time was part of the proposed penalty for not buying insurance!

TRL, you can opt out of the 65 MPH speed limit.

Your fine is your opt out fee!

LMAO!

me1ranger says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:37 am
Those companies are actually exempt from being forced to provide it. Furthermore, lower income families are exempt from the opt out fine. You are arguing that you will have to pay for health insurance, my argument is no you don’t, please stick to that. And yes, it is exactly the same. You don’t have to have insurance, and the hospital DOES have to treat you. You know what would assist a lot? If companies and hospitals could provide cures rather than only treatments. The profit motive is too much of a problem in this country, we seem to agree that life is more important. You get better treatment if you have insurance than you would without. Your argument that this will lead to death is more baseless than you say my car insurance argument is.

ou get better treatment if you have insurance than you would without. Your argument that this will lead to death is more baseless than you say my car insurance argument is.”

LOL

Yes you can be prevented from driving if you don’t have car insurance. That’s your “opt out” cost!

LMAO

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:39 am
hahaha, and there you go yet again. The term Jew applies to both a religious, ethnic and racial group. You fail to understand that. You can be Jewish in your heritage, but be a protestant. You can be Chinese in your heritage but prescribe to the Jewish faith. It’s a fairly basic concept, idiot.

Also that provision isn’t in the bill, so you’re wrong. why? Because it isn’t part of the law.

Your analogy makes absolutely no sense.

Jews are a race!

LMAO!

You are a true lib dummy!

Why didn’t’ the census list Jewish as one of the 15 races it asked about, child?

Hey lib..don’t denegrate my religion, that one would have gotten you knocked the fuck out. And yes I have a gun, had one since I got out of the service. I don’t need one though, would much rather disarm any attacker and kill them with theirs. And I sold my construction company 5 years ago and got into metal trading. Has made me a lot of money, and I didn’t even know who Beck was at the time. I never take physical possession of the metals, just buy low sell high. I can have checks mailed to me any time I want. Then, with my pocket full of soon to be worthless obama dollars, I can go to the corner store and get what I need. Got it..

The five D’s of liberal debate: dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge !

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:50 am
So the United States decides what a race is now? I thought that you said it was genetics. Wait, or is it that genetics don’t matter when they support my point? The census may not list it, but the supreme court has ruled it. Do I need to go over the genetics again?

TRL

Also that provision isn’t in the bill, so you’re wrong. why? Because it isn’t part of the law. ”

Nice lie, liar!

LOL

March 21, 2010 6:31 PM
Health Care Reform Bill Summary: A Look At What’s in the Bill

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html

Individual Mandate:

* In 2014, everyone must purchase health insurance or face a $695 annual fine. There are some exceptions for low-income people.

What Obama’s new health care bill means for us

http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/Christian-Personal-Finance/2010/0325/What-Obama-s-new-health-care-bill-means-for-us

All US citizens will be forced to have health insurance coverage considered acceptable by the US Government or else pay a fine of $95 in 2014, $325 in 2015, $695 in 2016 (capped at 2.5% of AGI). All of the fines are per person per year except for families have a cap on the total fine of $2,250 and the fine amount for children is half of the adult fine.”

10 Ways the New Healthcare Bill May Affect You

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/109178/10-ways-the-new-healthcare-bill-may-affect-you?mod=family-love_money

6. You Must be Insured

Under the new law starting in 2014, you will have to purchase health insurance or risk being fined. If your employer does not offer health insurance as a benefit or if you do not earn enough money to purchase a plan, you may get assistance from the government. The fines for not purchasing insurance will be levied according to a sliding scale based on income. Starting in 2014, the lowest fine would be $95 or 1% of a person’s income (whichever is greater) and then increase to a high of $695 or 2.5% of an individual’s taxable income by 2016. There will be a maximum cap on fines.”

Ronald Reagan is not my God, but he was the best boss I ever had…

I never take physical possession of the metals, just buy low sell high. I can have checks mailed to me any time I want. Then, with my pocket full of soon to be worthless obama dollars, I can go to the corner store and get what I need. Got it..

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Folks, this is why Amerika’s Premiere Snake Oil Salesman, Glen(n) Beckerhead can succeed. A check written in supposedly worthless “Obama Dollars” has value, but an “Obama Dollar” does not. Rich, I say rich!

Buy gold.
Use gold to buy seeds.

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:54 am

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:50 am
So the United States decides what a race is now?”

Answer the question, liar!

Why weren’t they listed after all the USA has the second biggest Jewish population in the world or are you saying BHO is dumb?

No , I think you are dumb!

Hey, king, are Jews a race?

me1ranger says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:51 am
First off, I am a Christian, and Conservatives elevate Ronald Reagan above God, nevermind that he was a moderate as all presidents are.
See, as a Christian, I personally don’t believe in violence or killing anybody.
That’s very interesting. Sadly, I’m about as inclined to believe you as I am a birther because you will say anything. Furthermore, you follow the general path of the pathological liar. Nice try though

TRL is a typical lib.

He lies, lies, lies and then redefines words to surve his purpose.

Like when someone pointed out that over 70 million had died under Communism, Bill Maher said “Communism is a state religion.” Typical lib redefinition!

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:57 am
If you actually read my post, you would see that. The US Supreme court ruled in 1980 that they are, the term applies to an ethno-religious group and can mean the Jewish Religion, the Jewish nation or the Jewish people. Once again, shall I go into genetics for you? Also, I should inform you that your taunts go for naught.

he_Reasonable_Lib says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:02 am

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 10:57 am
If you actually read my post, you would see that. The US Supreme court ruled in 1980 that they are,”

LMAO

So the SCOTUS NOW determines race!

LMFAO!

Once again, shall I go into genetics for you? Also, I should inform you that your taunts go for naught.”

No go to one of the many Jewish information links and post where a legitimate Jewish Organization says Jews are a race.

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:02 am
You know, repeatedly posting stupidity only makes you look stupid.
Converts are Jeish in religion but not in their ethnicity. Ethnic Jews share common characteristics in their facial features and cultural aspects such as food and name.

King, you’re always saying no one is watching Beck. Or at least his audience is so small, it’s meaningless. Now you’re getting all worked up about his influence. So which is it?

TRL

LIAR< LIAR< LIAR and DUMMY< DUMMY< DUMMY.

Hey trl, you liar, disprove these:

March 21, 2010 6:31 PM
Health Care Reform Bill Summary: A Look At What’s in the Bill

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html

Individual Mandate:

* In 2014, everyone must purchase health insurance or face a $695 annual fine. There are some exceptions for low-income people.

What Obama’s new health care bill means for us

http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/Christian-Personal-Finance/2010/0325/What-Obama-s-new-health-care-bill-means-for-us

All US citizens will be forced to have health insurance coverage considered acceptable by the US Government or else pay a fine of $95 in 2014, $325 in 2015, $695 in 2016 (capped at 2.5% of AGI). All of the fines are per person per year except for families have a cap on the total fine of $2,250 and the fine amount for children is half of the adult fine.”

10 Ways the New Healthcare Bill May Affect You

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/109178/10-ways-the-new-healthcare-bill-may-affect-you?mod=family-love_money

6. You Must be Insured

Under the new law starting in 2014, you will have to purchase health insurance or risk being fined. If your employer does not offer health insurance as a benefit or if you do not earn enough money to purchase a plan, you may get assistance from the government. The fines for not purchasing insurance will be levied according to a sliding scale based on income. Starting in 2014, the lowest fine would be $95 or 1% of a person’s income (whichever is greater) and then increase to a high of $695 or 2.5% of an individual’s taxable income by 2016. There will be a maximum cap on fines.”

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:04 am
Wait, so just so that I understand you; the United States determined who is a race but the supreme court which is a branch of the government doesn’t determine what is? I’ll keep that in mind.

And yeah, they are. Jews are a race in the same vein that latin americans are. Latin Americans are a conglomeration of various races such as indigenous peoples, whites and blacks. Ethnic Jews share common traits halpogroups J-1 & J-2 among males and mtDNA K among females.

writer says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:06 am

King, you’re always saying no one is watching Beck. Or at least his audience is so small, it’s meaningless. Now you’re getting all worked up about his influence. So which is it?

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Where did I say Beck is influential? I said he was a successful Snake Oil Salesman. That makes him influential? We had a rabbit that bred successfully, quite successfully, but he wasn’t influential.

Are Jews a Race?

http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm

In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, at least for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the “Jewish race” or the “Italian race” as well as the “Negro race,” so that is what the legislators intended to protect.

But many Jews were deeply offended by that decision, offended by any hint that Jews could be considered a race. The idea of Jews as a race brings to mind nightmarish visions of Nazi Germany, where Jews were declared to be not just a race, but an inferior race that had to be rounded up into ghettos and exterminated like vermin.

But setting aside the emotional issues, Jews are clearly not a race.

Race is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can’t change your race; it’s in your DNA. I could never become black or Asian no matter how much I might want to.

Common ancestry is not required to be a Jew. Many Jews worldwide share common ancestry, as shown by genetic research; however, you can be a Jew without sharing this common ancestry, for example, by converting. Thus, although I could never become black or Asian, blacks and Asians have become Jews (Sammy Davis Jr. and Connie Chung).

Judaism is not a race
http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/beingjewish.htm

Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews are both “Jewish.” However, whereas Ashkenazi Jews often hail from Europe, Sephardic Jews often hail from the Middle East. People of many different races have become Jewish over the centuries.

John:

You are doing an admirable job diverting and deflecting criticism of Glen(n), but let’s remember the topic is a fool expounding upon a theory in a book he has never read.

Okay, King. So how is Beck ‘successful’ if no one is watching? Who’s he selling the snake oil to? You seem to be his only viewer.

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:06 am
Thank you for proving everything that I’ve said, John.
*low incomes exempt
*Do not have to purchase health care-fee
I really appreciate that.

The Real Royal King says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:11 am

John:

You are doing an admirable job diverting and deflecting criticism of Glen(n), but let’s remember the topic is a fool expounding upon a theory in a book he has never read.”

Sorry, King, but it was your stupid colleague TRL, who brought this up, not me and he lied about the HCR law, so I wanted to show how much libs lie.

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:12 am

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:06 am
Thank you for proving everything that I’ve said, John.
*low incomes exempt
*Do not have to purchase health care-fee
I really appreciate that.

Asshole, you said there was no requirement in the bill!

LIAR!

TRL

the lying lib-in-chief!

LMAO

“Me1Ranger” threatens to “knock the fuck out” another commenter he disagrees with and in the same post boasts he has a gun.

“I don’t need one though, would much rather disarm any attacker and kill them with theirs,” he said.

I think when there is talk of killing in the comments a line has been crossed.

That is not the kind of stuff I expect to read on Mediaite and seriously scares me.

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:10 am
“You can’t change your race; it’s in your DNA”
Haplogroup J-1 is particularly common amongst Sephardic Jews. It is very common amongst all Jews as are J-2 and mtDNA K, as I’ve said before. Thank you for that.
“Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry”
Not Judaism the religion, the ethnic group. You seem to not be understanding that. Furthermore, that group actually tracks through the lineage of Abraham.

Thank you Shoot-From-the-Hip. We certainly got our fill of that yesterday from AmericanCowboy. It needs to end.

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:13 am
Exactly, you don’t have to purchase it, you can opt out, which is what we both said, thank you again.

You lose.

You never did provide a Jewish Organization that said Jews were a race.

LIAR!

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:17 am

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:13 am
Exactly, you don’t have to purchase it, you can opt out, which is what we both said, thank you again.”

Wrong!

You are a liar!

Also that provision isn’t in the bill, so you’re wrong. why? Because it isn’t part of the law. ”

Really?

March 21, 2010 6:31 PM
Health Care Reform Bill Summary: A Look At What’s in the Bill

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html

Individual Mandate:

* In 2014, everyone must purchase health insurance or face a $695 annual fine. There are some exceptions for low-income people.

What Obama’s new health care bill means for us

http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/Christian-Personal-Finance/2010/0325/What-Obama-s-new-health-care-bill-means-for-us

All US citizens will be forced to have health insurance coverage considered acceptable by the US Government or else pay a fine of $95 in 2014, $325 in 2015, $695 in 2016 (capped at 2.5% of AGI). All of the fines are per person per year except for families have a cap on the total fine of $2,250 and the fine amount for children is half of the adult fine.”

10 Ways the New Healthcare Bill May Affect You

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/109178/10-ways-the-new-healthcare-bill-may-affect-you?mod=family-love_money

6. You Must be Insured

Under the new law starting in 2014, you will have to purchase health insurance or risk being fined. If your employer does not offer health insurance as a benefit or if you do not earn enough money to purchase a plan, you may get assistance from the government. The fines for not purchasing insurance will be levied according to a sliding scale based on income. Starting in 2014, the lowest fine would be $95 or 1% of a person’s income (whichever is greater) and then increase to a high of $695 or 2.5% of an individual’s taxable income by 2016. There will be a maximum cap on fines.”

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:17 am
I don’t need to. I’ve provided genetic evidence.

And no, the jail portion isn’t in the bill. Nice try though.

TRL, don’t pay your mortgage. You can “opt out” by losing your house!

ROTFLMAO!

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:21 am
Unfortunately my mortgage is not part of the healthcare bill. And if I could opt out of paying it by paying a fee I would. Your analogies are pretty sad.

Hey lib, lying is a reaction to fear. Who are you afraid of, punk? You call me a liar..show me where. I don’t come on here to blow smoke up anyones ass, just give some context to show where I’m coming from..haven’t lied once.

he_Reasonable_Lib says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:21 am

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:17 am
I don’t need to. ”

Yes YOU do.

And no, the jail portion isn’t in the bill. Nice try though.”

I never said it was in the final bill. It was in the proposed bill.

Nice lie

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t656332/

http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/11/11/jail-time-for-not-buying-health-insurance-all-fine-says-pelosi/

YOU ARE A LIAR!

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:24 am

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:21 am
Unfortunately my mortgage is not part of the healthcare bill.”

Yeah, you want the govt. to subsidize your mortgage!

LIAR!

me1ranger says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:24 am
That’s nice. For somebody who hasn’t lied once, you sure follow the path that liars usually do, I’m just saying I don’t believe you.

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:25 am
I’ve provided genetic evidence for my claim.

Actually, Upward Bound and quite a few other scholarships subsidize my “mortgage” or should I say room and board?

hip..you trying to get me in trouble, buddy? Lots of people have guns, I said I wouldn’t use mine, and hope to never have to. Your just upset because you found out that unicorns poop..chill out nancy.

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:29 am

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:25 am
I’ve provided genetic evidence for my claim. ”

One last time you lying asshole lib.

Link to a Jewish Organization that says Jews are a race. If they are a race, those organizations would say so.

You are nothing but a coward, lying libby who is as dumb as a rock!

TRL, here ia a rabbi who doesn’t realize that YOU and YOU alone have determined Jews are a arce.

Contact him now and correct him, liar!

“Are Jews a race?
by Rabbi Shlomo Chein

Jewish identity is a unique concept and because it doesn’t fit into standard categorizations, it is often misunderstood. We are neither a race, nor a religion, but at the same time we are a little bit of both.

Jews, or more accurately – the Children of Israel (a.k.a. Jacob, the grandson of Abraham), are indeed one family, and that is why Biblically we are known as the “children of”. The Jewish People are supposed to live by the rules of Judaism, which is (akin in many ways to) a religion.

Lib..I haven’t lied once nor do I need to. Nothing I can do about it..You have been proven to be a liar right here by myself and others..study that path.

You said you’d “knock the fuck out” another commenter. And you also said you’d kill any attacker.

I just don’t see why violence has any place in comments.

Go ahead and argue your side (badly in your case) strongly but leave the violence OUT of Mediaite comments please.

Go on the Glenn Beck thread and you can see where I demonstrably prove you a liar, btw.

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:31 am
Once again, don’t need to. The ETHNIC JEWISH COMMUNITY shares facial and genetic traits. You are speaking of Judaism which is something completely different, you fail to understand that.

And you are a garden variety joke.

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:35 am
Well, his opinion is nice, but genetics says otherwise.

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:38 am

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:35 am
Well, his opinion is nice, but genetics says otherwise.”

LMAO– You are such a fool!

Which makes you a lib!

Three lies you made today.

1. Jews are a race.
2. The HCR law doesn’t require people to buy insurance.
3. The original bill did not have jail time as part of a penalty for not having insurance.

Where there any more lies you told that I missed?

TRL: My advice, which, of course, you’re free to take or not, is to drop out. John is not engaged in a serious discussion. This is about diverting criticism from Glen(n). There’s a group here which does that everytime we have a Glen(n) post.

Like when the King says Glenn is successful, yet always stresses how small his audience is, all in the same breath.

JohnSimpson says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:41 am
1.) They are
2.) It doesn’t
3.) Never said it didn’t, only that it isn’t part of the law. You’re wrong again. Please go back and read although I know that will be a challenge for you.

The Real Royal King says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:41 am
Point taken.

LMAO, trl.

The king is trying to save your sorry ass but I have exposed you for the liar you are.

NEXT!!!

Wow this has been sidetracked. Remember, reading is food for the brain!

The Real Royal King says:
June 10, 2010 at 11:41 am

TRL: My advice, which, of course, you’re free to take or not, is to drop out. John is not engaged in a serious discussion. ”

Wrong, king, trl just started to lie like you do and I called him on it.

Hey king , are Jews a race? Does the HCR law require you to have insurance?

More to the point of this link, John: Should a cable “news” host talk about a book he hasn’t read, as if he read it? Isn’t this a fraud perpetrated upon the viewers? Should a cable “news” network allow such a host to continue to engage in a fraud? Should a disclaimer be scrolled across the screen?

Remember: Buy Gold. Use Gold to Buy Seeds.

And your proof that Beck didn’t read the book is…….

Beck also has the #9 and 10 best selling books. Eats you alive, doesn’t it, King? Why won’t people listen to you? LOL

King is jealous, we’re the only ones listening to his suppositions and drivel..I told him to take it up with Beck himself. Now he wants to condemn the entire network..how petty, and small of him. Hey King, I only hate your white half..let’s keep it “real”

@John In regards to your question about Jews being a race:

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-jewish-genome-20100604,0,7364243.story

“They are not different enough to be considered a separate race, as some experts have argued, he added, but definitely are a “distinct population” — the result, presumably, of cultural separation down through thousands of years.”

HCR requires you to have insurance, but the enforcement has no teeth. The IRS cannot collect it from you. You can, however, lose the tax credit they would give you to help pay for insurance.

Eats you alive, doesn’t it, King?

—

You’ll never know the devastation I have felt. I can’t eat. I can’t sleep. I’m irritable. My neck aches. I so crave the rapt attention of INB, Jeff Merrill, Michelle, Janet Hawkins, Sara N. Italy, Me1Ranger and, who am I forgetting? O, yes, Righter. Your affirmation would mean more to me than the riches of a sultan. Now, if you’ll excuse me, this has been so emotional, I need to get a tissue and blow my nose.

Remember: Buy gold. Use gold to buy seeds.

Beck is successful! He’s influencing millions! No, wait! No one is watching! He has no audience! No, wait! Beck is dangerous! No, wait! Only a small percentage of the population is watching!! No, wait!! LOL

Gold broke the all-time record this week king, how you like them apples? Need seeds for apples you know..

That’s right, Ranger! And you know what that means! Gold will just keep getting higher and higher in value, forever and ever and ever. Just like the housing market!!!

No one was letting people have gold if they couldn’t pay for it. A little different from the housing market.

I trade in gold steve, never take possession as I said earlier. I need volatility in the market to make money. Buy low sell high, get it? Don’t do the coin thing..it’s for idiots.

Stephen Hogan says:
June 10, 2010 at 12:34 pm

HCR requires you to have insurance, but the enforcement has no teeth. The IRS cannot collect it from you. You can, however, lose the tax credit they would give you to help pay for insurance.”

IRS Threats Continue: Buy Health Insurance Coverage or Forfeit Tax Refund under ObamaCare

Published: Tue 06 Apr 2010

Thomas Kristoffersen

According to IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman, Americans who do not buy health insurance could lose their tax refunds. After conceding that the new health-care law limits the IRS’ options for enforcing the health insurance mandate, the commissioner told the press that the most probable way to punish Americans who don’t comply is to confiscate or garnish their tax refunds.

As I said, the HCR bill requires you to have insurance.

NEXT!

Beck’s work is very good. For those who have not watched him, give him a try for a few days. You may be surprised.

Surprised like when you put on your shoes in the morning and a scorpion is in the right shoe or surprised like when you land at Schiphol and discover that the suitcase with clean underwear and socks is still at Hartsfield-Jackson?

The Real Royal King

:) You misunderstand Hayek’s use of the word LIBERAL. He is using the definition prior to being hijacked by Progressives. Look up Classic Liberal. I’d like to see the original definition be restored. New Coke sucked and so does New Liberal.

As for Conservative, he also used the old term that meant those wanted to preserve the Privileged Class.

Have you read Hayek?

“True, Hayek did advocate free markets, but Hayek understood that a free market had to, by necessity be an international market. If you read Hayek carefully, you realize that he tells us that market controls work only at a localized or on a global level, never on a national level.”

Can you quote the work? I’m quite familiar with Hayek’s work and the above is not Hayek. Everything is LOCAL. When one tries to Centrally Plan millions of Local Events, you end up with SOCIALISM. That is what he was trying to prevent.

Along with Hayek, you should read Mises too. He also describes himself as a LIBERAL, before the Progs redefined it to mean the exact opposite of its true meaning.

Are you familiar with doublespeak from 1984? It is apparent you are a victim of it.

Steve Morris says:
June 10, 2010 at 2:18 pm

The Real Royal King

:) You misunderstand Hayek’s use of the word LIBERAL. He is using the definition prior to being hijacked by Progressives. Look up Classic Liberal. I’d like to see the original definition be restored. New Coke sucked and so does New Liberal.”

So true.

Thomas Jefferson was a democrat, but he would no way be considered a democrat by today’s definition.

Glenn Beck is too full of himself, but he presents a great deal of good data. ‘The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism’ was one of Hayek’s last works and was the culmination of about 50 years researching Central Planning.

He dedicates an entire chapter on how the Progressive’s twist words into having no real meaning. Again 1984′s doublespeak comes to mind.

A book I just finished which I highly recommend is ‘The Forgotten Man’ by Amity Schlaes. It is an accurate account of how the Great Depression began and why it lasted for so long. The Gov’t, not the Market caused the Depression by constantly ‘fixing it until it is broke’. There is little difference between today and then except we didn’t already have a population unable to find independence from Gov’t ‘assistance’.

Internationalism is more clearly addressed in the “Constitution of Liberty” than in “Serfdom” which was, after all, A reader’s Digest Condensed Book. I agree with your discussion of the “liberal” and “conservative” terminology, and your implication that the same are distorted in American politics today, to some extent, but the notion of forced morality does, in fact, apply to much of what we call conservatism today.

Now, if you want to argue that Hayek found benefit in internationalism only as a means to combat what Hayek felt were the dangers of nationalism, I think you might have a very good point. Internationalism freed the individual and the market to act in way that they could act in a nationalistic environment. In some ways, internationalism was the guarantor and protector of localism. Nationalism was the great threat to localism. I don’t think Hayek ever moved beyond the conceptual here, however. Perhaps, he had no vehicle to do so.

I think Hayek’s view of the EU, Mises’ as well, might be most interesting. I think I could make a very good argument that the EU has faciliated more freedom for schools in Bayern than the Bundesrepublik ever did or would but that the centralization of monetary policy in the Eurozone is actually a type of hyper-nationalism.

I am not as well-versed as you in Mises, I am sure. My view of him has always been as the one who laid the foundation for Hayek. I know that he is much more than that, but, as I said, I am not that well versed in Mises.

I appreciate your post, your gratuitous nastiness notwithstanding.

By the way, and Non-Sufficient Funds’ nastiness in this instance notwithstanding, I do tend to be more comfortable personally with the Classical Liberal cloak. I don’t view the government as inherently evil as do some (unless of course, in the view of this same people, the government is denying a woman’s right to choose or starting preemptive wars, in which cases the government is wonderful), but I really reach a point when I just want to be left alone.

FYI

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JustTheFacts

NewsBusters: Conservative Pundits Strike a Chord as Nation Grows Wary of Liberalism
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/06/10/conservative-pundits-strike-chord-nation-grows-wary-liberalism

Wow, RRK and the UnReasonable Lib have just filled this page with largest amount of ignorance I have ever read. These two clowns need medical help. They both hide behind phony names because they are afraid to let anyone know that they really believe the nonsense they spread.
Maybe they are both inmates at the same HOME?

Blower:On what channel can I find your show, and at what time? This is a very simple question, and I would like a straight answer.

How many times have I asked you to quit hiding behind a phony name. This a very simple request and I would like a straight answer.

Oprah WHO?

Go Glenn!

It’s stories like this that make me laugh when moronic progressive douchebags say that Glenn Beck has a stupid audience. His audience is undeniably the most well-read in all of cable news save for O’Reilly’s. Has mama’s boy Olbermann or Maddow ever mad a blip on the Amazon top 100 with any worthless book they’ve ever suggested? Of course not, it’s not like their audience can even friggin’ read in the first place — one of the main reasons why they hate the Beck chalkboard :-)