215,000 to 87,000 is not a tie.

chetkres said:
215,000 to 87,000 is not a tie.

Its also not true. Beck’s rally CLEARLY had more than 87,000….. Everyone knows you libs are going to manufacture your own reality either way, so we just ignore you.

chetkres said:
215,000 to 87,000 is not a tie.

You’re right. It’s called “A Lie”. By the way, who owns Comedy Central again? Oh yeah…Viacom. Same company that owns –gasp– CBS!

The funniest thing about the Stewart Rally was that people wanted it to be some kind of Get Out The Vote rally for Democrats.

But if anyone actually LISTENED to what Stewart/Colbert were saying, they’d be very, very disappointed if expecting GOTV speeches. Stewart and Colbert were railing against hyper-partisanship on both sides of the political spectrum and in the media. That’s hardly a “Rah Rah Democrats” message.

As has been reported, Olbermann is pissed because he’s being shown as one of the problems. Too funny.

Did anyone notice the grimaces in the crowd during the Kid Rock/Crow song? As the crowd heard the lyrics, you could see a lot of frowning going on. But even they became co-opted in the end by waving their arms after being prompted by the singers. Wow…

Where are the pictures???
The fact that there aren’t any REAL picture comparisons indicate the Beck rally was larger!!
HACK journalism it’s best!

It is also no surprise that the lefty media didn’t focus on the nuts in the crowd….like they did at the Beck rally!!

dummy123 said:
It is also no surprise that the lefty media didn’t focus on the nuts in the crowd….like they did at the Beck rally!!

They didn’t have to focus on the crowd to finds nuts. Yusuf Islam was right there, on stage, getting cheered. It was an absolutely disgrace.

We were all nuts in the crowd. We had zombies, flying spaghetti monsters, and waldos galore. It was awesome. Baconnaise/McRib 2012!

AnonymousFinch said:
They didn’t have to focus on the crowd to finds nuts. Yusuf Islam was right there, on stage, getting cheered. It was an absolutely disgrace.

Any truth to the rumor that Cat ISLAM hand delivered a UPS package to Jon?
I bet the mortgage that there was a last minute rewrite of the show considering the strong possibility that BOMBS may be floating around the UPS system…thanks to ISLAMIC terror!

dummy123 said:
It is also no surprise that the lefty media didn’t focus on the nuts in the crowd….like they did at the Beck rally!!

A Beck rally of 87 people would have had more nuts than the one to restore sanity of 200k.

Just juxtapose the three aerial pics of the mall during the three recent rallies! – Beck’s show has two of them, his & the naaliberalcp rally.

While the Stewart Anti-Tea Party rally dwarfed the Race rally of the naaliberalcp, the crowd was decidedly less than Beck’s rally. There were clearly swatches of space filled with people during Beck’s rally, that were open in the pics of Stewart’s.

dummy123 said:
It is also no surprise that the lefty media didn’t focus on the nuts in the crowd….like they did at the Beck rally!!

I totally agree! They attempt to construct a pro-progressive story line to these events through their dishonest reportage.

The good thing is the Democratic-Friendly mainstream media no longer holds a monopoly over the way news is disseminated in this country.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2617813/replies?c=82

Here is a side by side comparison of the pictures- Beck’s crowd looks MUCH bigger, stretching out a full block farther across the national mall.

Of course its impossible to say how many people actually attended both rallies, but lets be honest here: the CBS number was a fraud intended to diminish Beck’s event.

Colby: when you ask the question “How do you lose 200,000 people?” why do you do it rhetorically?

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She says she’ll be releasing the tapes for national exposure – I’d assume sometime today.

Fight the corrupt Democratic Media!!!

The Rally for Sanity and/or Fear is a fake. It never happened. It was all done on a Hollywood studio set with blue screens and CGI. Has anyone actually held the rally permit in their hands? Why don’t they release the real rally permit that shows it was held in Studio City?

Is this a “we have more” bully session. I know it’s fun, but I find myself feeling like it’s the playground, and we are arguing about who is the toughest. I came here looking for credible estimates, but it’s clearly about manipulating perceptions. The Beck rally may have sparked the Stewart idea, but were both rally’s just a contest to diminish the other rally, and to serve no other purpose? Oh, Perhaps I just answered my owe question. Well, the bullies will stay slightly on top, and our quality of life will remain just below it’s potential.

BarneyFranken said:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2617813/replies?c=82

Here is a side by side comparison of the pictures- Beck’s crowd looks MUCH bigger, stretching out a full block farther across the national mall.

Of course its impossible to say how many people actually attended both rallies, but lets be honest here: the CBS number was a fraud intended to diminish Beck’s event.

Colby: when you ask the question “How do you lose 200,000 people?” why do you do it rhetorically?

87,000 was, to me at least, a low estimate. However, the number of those attending the rally doesn’t really mean anything. It is not necessarily indicative of a message’s popularity.

It is not necessarily indicative of a message’s popularity.

True enough, I guess we’ll find out Tuesday which message resonated with the American people.

that 87,000 figure was widely ridiculed even at the time, so I think we can discard it.

if NPR says the Stewart rally was “slightly larger,” then that’s proof positive that the Beck rally was bigger, since NPR has no credibility.

NBC and the Park Service estimated Beck’s rally at 300,000. Beck himself said 500-600M. to say it was “somewhere around 200,000″ is just not true. but I guess to make these two rallies even, you have to spin it like that.

Tuesday is what counts, not these rally’s.

I would say the Beck rally had a stronger message.

Not because of anything they said but there was less entertainment draw power. No disrespect to anyone there but yesterdays rally had Stewart and Colbert and a bunch of high profile musicians performing Becks didnt. So it bordered on a free rock concert as opposed to a political rally.

Not to mention pressure from unions on its members to attend as well as all the freebies everyone was getting to attend from a lot of organizations like the Huffington Post who were not only organizing transportation but probably giving away food and trinkets like Huffington Post mugs, pens and roach clips.

Beck will say it took two of ‘Them’ to equal his rally of hate!

Hey Danny,
What Hate specifically are you talking about? It’s obvious you don’t know what you are talking about and didn’t watch Beck’s rally. The day’s of you libs just throwing out accusations without backing them up are OVER. You will be called out, liar!

BarneyFranken said:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2617813/replies?c=82 Here is a side by side comparison of the pictures- Beck’s crowd looks MUCH bigger, stretching out a full block farther across the national mall. Of course its impossible to say how many people actually attended both rallies, but lets be honest here: the CBS number was a fraud intended to diminish Beck’s event. Colby: when you ask the question “How do you lose 200,000 people?” why do you do it rhetorically?

Barney thanks for the links, honesty and integrity specially in the state-controlled network media is becoming increasingly harder to find. That’s why readership and ratings are down, they’re getting their asses kicked! And the really freaky part I don’t think they care, do they know something we don’t? Are they just waiting for the Hugo Chavez type of bailout?

I agree–let’s call it a tie. It’s true that many Lefties thought this would be a rally for “Dems get out the Vote” and in Glenn Beck’s Rally, Lefties expected “hate and nasty signs”. Too bad —they were all were disappointed! John Stewart’ and Colbert made fun of BOTH SIDES–showing how ridiculous it is to be partisan and to “hate”. Stewart’s speech at the end of the rally was Incredible. I think it should be played over & over, instead of all the nit-picking being done in all the media outlets.
IT WAS A GREAT RALLY, SO WAS GLENN BECK’S. GET OVER IT.

Alz says:
October 31, 2010 at 1:05 pm Alz(Quote)
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Tuesday is what counts, not these rally’s.
AMEN—Let’s see what happens Tuesday !!! Will all you people be back then?

The real rally to restor sanity takes place this Tuesday it’s called an election.

Good piece. I did a longer estimate over at Pajamas Media; the thing about the estimate of 215,000 is it would require the whole area to be packed skin-to-skin, like a mosh pit. Or looked at another way, on-the-ground reports like Glynnis’s say the crowd weas pretty dense at Beck — well, to achieve 215,000, this crowd would have to give each person on 15 percent as much space.

Tell me half that — say 100K — and it’s perfectly plausible.

I cannot compare the two because I seem to have somehow missed Gleck’s “Goosesteppers for Jeebus” rally.

CBS News estimate 215,000
Parks Service estimate over 200,000
CTV News: In an impassioned 15-minute speech, Stewart told a crowd estimated to number *at least 250,000,* that their presence has restored his sanity.

Source after source agree this rally far exceeded Gleck’s Pee Party of 87,000, which had the clear advantage of being scheduled in the middle of summer vacation season and advertised for free on Fox for month after month.
Sucks to be a size-matters-teabagger today

homie said:
CBS News estimate 215,000
Parks Service estimate over 200,000
CTV News: In an impassioned 15-minute speech, Stewart told a crowd estimated to number *at least 250,000,* that their presence has restored his sanity.

Source after source agree this rally far exceeded Gleck’s Pee Party of 87,000, which had the clear advantage of being scheduled in the middle of summer vacation season and advertised for free on Fox for month after month.
Sucks to be a size-matters-teabagger today

Truth.

sighhhhh……. I was hoping more would show up for Stewart’s, as a sign that there are more sane, unbiased, open minded, non hate filled people, than the crazed, extreme right wingers! I pray the numbers are correct, and more were part of yesterday’s rally, or else this country is in really, really bad shape.
Does nobody care anymore that this is the USof A, that we are Americans first, and that hate and fear are tactics of Hitler and his brown shirted nazis?

Both were well attended, anyone looking at both pictures and saying one had a lot more then the other should visit their local ‘Eyeland’ and for your safety and others, have a friend drive you.

You all need to chill out, God damnit. Like Me.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-100-best-signs-at-the-rally-to-restore-sanity

Beck had somewhere between 300,000 – 500,000 and Stewart had approx. 215,000. A pictures is worth a thousand words and claims. Just look at the pictures of Beck’s rally and it’s clear that the given estimates mentioned by me earlier are correct. Not that it truly matters. Stewart’s 215,000 is still respectable., though at least 100,000 less.

dummy123 said:
It is also no surprise that the lefty media didn’t focus on the nuts in the crowd….like they did at the Beck rally!!

Every camera shot showed crazies. Beck invited them.

All I saw in the Beck pictures was a big green pool surrounded by a small crowd of lost tourists.

Stewart had no pool to dilute or inflate his numbers.

Colby, if you had any taste or class, you would have just skipped this (who’s is larger) article.
Oh, wait…..

I have to admit that the Stewart rally looked pretty impressive as far as attendance went. The funny thing is that the park service said 300,000 for Beck’s rally, and well over 200,000 for Stewarts rally. And CBS said 87,000 for Beck, which is a big difference from the 300,000 the park service claimed. But CBS said 215,000 for Stewart, which is in the same range as “well over 200,000.” This makes me wonder, as well as the fact that it’s Dan Rathers CBS.

Stephen Hogan said:
However, the number of those attending the rally doesn’t really mean anything. It is not necessarily indicative of a message’s popularity.

Agreed. I thought Stewart kind of had a good message at the end there. Still, he did have Yusuf Islam on stage, getting cheered. That was a disgrace as AF said. Also, I find it hard to believe that this had nothing to to do with Glenn Beck. The rally title itself was mocking Beck’s rally. I got the feeling that a lot of people were there because they don’t like Glenn Beck. SocialistWorker.org had this to say about the rally before it occured:

“In the midst of an election campaign where the right-most reaches of the Republican Party are setting the agenda, the Stewart-Colbert rally will be a breath of fresh air. It will speak for millions of people who despise Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, and the Tea Party fanatics who cheer them on.”

http://socialistworker.org/2010/10/25/down-a-notch-or-up

In my opinion, it seemed like the rallies were about the same size. One of them might have had more people or not. Whatever the actual numbers were, they were both impressive looking.

Does anyone really care? Except Arianna HuffHo.

Sunnyr said:
Does anyone really care? Except Arianna HuffHo.

Yes, people do care and are reassured that sanity and reason are just as popular if not MORE popular than hyperbole and hate (that’s what Beck sells, Stewart has a different message).

Ok.

I was there yesterday.

And 215,000 is a wayyy low-ball estimate.

Barney Frank, your “unbiased” crowd comparison shot at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2617813/replies?c=82 is bogus. The Sanity Rally crowd was wider, longer, and WAY more densely packed. Those photos have no perspective. Here’s another figure: http://www.thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/beck-v-sanity-rally.jpg. People in Beck’s crowd were spread out with blankets and such. I was about a quarter mile from the stage having arrived just 2 hours early, and people were PACKED tighter than sardines. More pix: http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-250_162-10005388-4.html. Beck also had the reflecting pool taking up space. Ask anyone who was living in DC which day had bigger crowds- yesterday was tops.

Also funny- a lot of conservatives (Da Truth), invented their own narrative about what they thought democrats thought it would be (like.. a liberal rally), which it wasn’t. It was truly a rally for the center. People of all ages, all races, all religions were there, packed tighter than sardines, to cheer on someone in the media who doesn’t have to capitalize on their own extreme sentiments. Sure, conservatives can point out that anti tea party sentiments were strong in the crowd, but the people weren’t anti tea party agenda, but anti ignorance. Anti-anti-intellectualism.

And we had a lot of fun.

I knew this would happen. Lie, lie, lie and the uneducated and ill informed will buy it. That is the right wing pilosophy, for they have no program. Sure enough. Righties are saying that the Becklomania sickos equaled or bested the Stewart/Colbert rally. In their ever loving wet dreams sick people. At best, Stewart/Colbert had ALMOST 3 times the people that Becklomanics had! Fact! Period. Put a fork in it. Remember get even time is Tuesday. The day probably most will elect to return America back to the dark ages. After Tuesday, if America was a game show it would be: “YOU ASKED FOR IT!”

Dronetek said:
Its also not true. Beck’s rally CLEARLY had more than 87,000….. Everyone knows you libs are going to manufacture your own reality either way, so we just ignore you.

87,000 is only an estimate, but the I doubt it was much more than that. 100,000 perhaps. And, of course, you accusation that liberals manufacture reality is just a statement from your manufactured reality. Pictures at the Steward rally show a packed crowd. Why the hell people can’t get more accurate numbers (say, by blowing up a single picture and simply counting heads) is a mystery to me.

Sunnyr said:
Does anyone really care? Except Arianna HuffHo.

Absolutely. The numbers matter. You right-wing types like to brag all the time about the size of your rallies, that this groundswell of Tea Party nonsense represents some push-back from the unheard masses. You’re not really a majority. You’re just more psychotic than the rest of us and you’re mad all the time, and you don’t even know about what. So, yes, the numbers matter, to show that there are people out there supporting what’s going on at this time. We elected Obama, for instance. Voters did. If Republicans take over the House Tuesday, it doesn’t mean that “the American people” rejected Obama’s policies. You’ll get just about what you always do in elections, about a 50-50 split, and since all you need is have the votes plus one, you shouldn’t get all puffed up with your victory, in your delusion that now real Americans have a voice.

Alric_IV said:
87,000 is only an estimate, but the I doubt it was much more than that. 100,000 perhaps. And, of course, you accusation that liberals manufacture reality is just a statement from your manufactured reality

This.

The same independent company that estimated the Beck crowd at 87,000 estimated Stewart’s for 215,000. It’s not like Acorn is out there counting. (GET IT!?)

But rly, if you look at the pictures, the crowd yesterday was bigger, but also WAYYY more densely packed.

Another fun thing to look at- check out the demographics of the crowd. I’m in my young 20s, and my heart was so warmed to see what a large percentage of the crowd was older. Way older. I ran into the parents of couple friends of mine. My friends weren’t there, but there parents thought it was important to come. I shared a taxi there with an older group that came from Wyoming. It was also incredibly diverse ethnically. I was standing next to an older muslim man, fully beard’d and turban’d.

What a beautiful event. The media (left and right leaning) would have a hard time covering it because… it wasn’t overtly political. It was against them and how they were presenting everything (like the event itself!). WOah! Meta!

Can’t we all just agree the Beck rally was the largest in the history of mankind? Maybe that’ll shut the whining snibbling right-wing cry babies for let’s say a minute or so. My rally is bigger than your rally. Favorite sign at sanity rally “Birthers for Hawaiian statehood”. Funny.

As they do with all their ‘programs’ like The War On Poverty, it’s their intentions that count, not results. With this weekend’s rally, the left are counting those who ‘intended to come’ along with those who actually showed up. Hence, this was bigger than the Beck rally.

One would hope that a centrist, restore sanity, rally would be better attended that Beck’s reactionary, extremist backward and hypocritical, self-serving rally. (Hypocritical because Beck has no honor.)
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/08/during-his-speech-to-restore-honor-beck.html

Yargburger said:
We were all nuts in the crowd. We had zombies, flying spaghetti monsters, and waldos galore. It was awesome. Baconnaise/McRib 2012!

It sure was. There were many great costumes and signs. The flying spaghetti monster was particularly good.

Calvin said:
I have to admit that the Stewart rally looked pretty impressive as far as attendance went. The funny thing is that the park service said 300,000 for Beck’s rally,

Where exactly did the park service say this? My understanding is the park service stopped doing estimates years ago.

DaTruth said:
The funniest thing about the Stewart Rally was that people wanted it to be some kind of Get Out The Vote rally for Democrats.

Some people did see it as an anti Tea Party rally which it was never intended to be. I never heard anyone refer to it as a bog get out the vote movement. Lot’s of people understood the larger point of civil discourse for both sides.

DaTruth said:
Did anyone notice the grimaces in the crowd during the Kid Rock/Crow song? As the crowd heard the lyrics, you could see a lot of frowning going on. But even they became co-opted in the end by waving their arms after being prompted by the singers. Wow

I didn’t notice it and I was there. I think people were hoping for Springsteen and got Kid Rock, but his song was cool. The issue may have been that since it was a new song you didn’t know or hear all the lyrics so it was harder to follow than songs we knew by heart. “The Least I can do is Care” might be taken as inaction but hearing the whole chorus I understood that wasn’t the point. It was about individuals ignoring the problems and justifying it by not being able to accomplish big things. IMO. I’d have to hear it again to better analyze.

To feed the fire. Burn, comments! Burn! Headline:Metro sets new record for highest Saturday Metrorail ridership

http://www.wmata.com/about_metro/news/PressReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=4717

BarneyFranken said:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2617813/replies?c=82

Here is a side by side comparison of the pictures- Beck’s crowd looks MUCH bigger, stretching out a full block farther across the national mall.

Of course its impossible to say how many people actually attended both rallies, but lets be honest here: the CBS number was a fraud intended to diminish Beck’s event.

Colby: when you ask the question “How do you lose 200,000 people?” why do you do it rhetorically?

You have to also know when those photos were taken and try to assess the space of the reflecting pool. Someone who was much further back than I was said the crowd stretched way back almost to the Washington monument. A lot of people who showed up and found they couldn’t get close enough to hear or see the jumbo trons left to go watch at a local pub or restaurant.

Add to that that lot’s of folks who couldn’t attend started smaller rallies. There were over a 1000 of those in cities WORLD WIDE! so, pretty impressive. One poster mentioned that he went to a local pub to watch and it was packed shoulder to shoulder. The Seattle rally had about 4000 people at it. I hope over the next few days we hear more from these smaller rallies.
I’m a Stewrt fan, and a sanity fan, and not so much Beck, so the immature side of me is rooting for this rally, but the reality is, we don’t know. I’m just glad I was there.

Yargburger said:
To feed the fire. Burn, comments! Burn! Headline:Metro sets new record for highest Saturday Metrorail ridership

http://www.wmata.com/about_metro/news/PressReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=4717

Wow! The guy we rode back to TN with said he and his son waited two hours to get on Metro and once they got on the train couldn’t take any more passengers at the lower stations because the cars were jammed full. A guy in front of us said his friends called to say they couldn’t get on Metro because the lines streched so far back to get on. Thanks for the link.

I can honestly say that many of the folks that went to the rally this past weekend, myself included, really don’t mind that Glenn Beck may have had more people at his rally. We were there to band together the same way Glenn’s supporters did…well, not really the same way. We had fun without having to yell. :)

Using landmarks in the best available photos I could find as reference points on a map of the Mall, I calculated the Beck rally at about 5 million square feet; the Beck rally photo shows a less dense crowd (lots of open spaces, lawn chairs, etc.), so I applied a 90% density correction factor, which brings it down to an effective 4.5 million SF. Using the same methodology, the Stewart rally covered about 10 million square feet (including the large crowds in side streets), or about 2.25 times as large.

In making these these calculations, I used generous estimates of the amount of space occupied by the Beck rally and conservative estimates of the Stewart rally size. Using what I consider to be more “neutral” measurements, I ended up with a 2.5 ratio, which yields is almost exactly the same as calculated by AirPhotosLive.com. Use whatever figure you want for the Beck rally; the Stewart rally was more than twice as large. If you believe Michelle Bachmann’s claim of 1 million, then more 2 million people were there on October 3. I’m sticking with AirPhotosLive.com’s estimates.