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Mormons Posthumously Baptized Simon Wiesenthal’s Parents…And President Obama’s Mother

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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints president Thomas Monson recently earned a runner-up “Worst Persons” award on Keith Olbermann‘s Countdown for having to issue an apology for “continuing (the church’s) policy of posthumous baptism” without the family’s consent, in this case, with the parents of famed Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal.

While Olbermann is technically incorrect (it’s against their “policy,” but it’s a poorly-enforced policy), this story reminds me of another famous posthumous Mormon baptizee: President Obama‘s mother.

Shortly after then-Sen. Barack Obama accumulated the delegates needed to secure the Democratic Party nomination in 2008, rogue Mormons swooped in on his late mother’s soul. From Jake Tapper:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints confirmed Tuesday afternoon that someone improperly, posthumously baptized the late mother of President Obama into the Mormon faith.

Last June 4 — the day after then-Sen. Obama secured enough delegates to win the Democratic presidential nominee — someone had the president’s mother Stanley Ann Dunham, who died in 1995 of cancer, baptized.

On June 11, she received the sacrament.

According to Tapper, the church says this sort of thing is not their policy, but apparently, Mormons have been collecting the souls of Holocaust victims for years, without their knowledge or consent. While it may not be the Mormons’ policy, maybe they ought to make posthumous baptism a little bit harder than submitting a link to Digg.

You would also think that, since the President’s mother was baptized almost four years ago, the LDS church would have figured out a better workaround by now. Apparently not:

The LDS Church has suspended access to its genealogy database for a church member who last month had a posthumous proxy baptism performed for the parents of famed Holocaust survivor Simon Wiesenthal.

The church also issued a public apology.

“We sincerely regret that the actions of an individual member of the church led to the inappropriate submission of these names,” church spokesman Scott Trotter said. “These submissions were clearly against the policy of the church. We consider this a serious breach of our protocol and we have suspended indefinitely this person’s ability to access our genealogy records.”

…The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has long asked members to engage in baptisms for the dead only for direct relatives. More specifically, according to agreements reached between LDS and Jewish officials as recently as 2010, the LDS Church has promised that the names of Holocaust victims would not be submitted for baptism for the dead in any of the church’s temples unless those names belong to direct ancestors of those submitting the names.

While I’m not religious now, I grew up steeped in the Christian faith. I know that, while this kind of abysmal baptismal is offensive in the extreme (and kinda weird, like an afterlife Fantasy Football draft), for a believer, it would have no effect on the actual soul of the baptizee. You can’t have your immortal essence diverted without your consent. Christianity is about having strong faith, which is impossible if you don’t even know you’re being baptized.

The good news is that, if former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney manages to weather the Santorum surge, and faces President Obama in the general election, this could be the opening debate question that John King has been looking for.

Here’s the clip, from Countdown:


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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08S4poMGvwA George Clueless Clooney

    The far-left echo chamber begins it’s anti-Mormon bigotry in anticipation of Mitt Romney, a Mormon, becoming a Presidential candidate.

    Once again Tommy “Christopher” beclowns himself and if MediaiteMatters had any standards at all, they would be embarrassed by this transparent, pro-Obama activism.

  • Anonymous

     The left could care less about Religion or Mitt Romney being a Mormon. That’s a problem with Evangelicals within the republican party.

  • Anonymous

    The whole concept of a ‘post-houmous baptism’ is pretty despicable and unbelievably disrespectful.  They did the same thing to Ann Romney’s father, who was an atheist. 

  • RW

    It’s all about shifting the discussion away from Obama having “spent us into bankruptcy, most of the money went to cronies, and the job situation got worse. That’s the real story”
    – Prof. Reynolds

    The whole site is Pro-Obama.  They have no shame.  They also have no objectivity.

  • Anonymous

     Well at least you admit to being clueless.

  • Anonymous

    Can we stop pretending that posthumous baptisms are anything other than a seance of sorts?  I could yell that I’ve declared Ronald Reagan an atheist posthumously and it doesnt change anything. 

    But obviously, if Jake Tapper reports on it, it has to be news.  Then again if Jake Tapper is reporting on it, its probably retarded 

  • Anonymous

    i hope someone submits tommy’s name for baptism bahahaha you can’t stop the mormons!!

  • Gloves T. Donahue

    Lefties will hold back on nothing to make ” demons” out of anyone who dares to try to put Obama on the street next year and make him pay for his own vacations, parties, concerts and golf.

  • Anonymous

     LMAO!! a republican claiming someone has no shame…… that’s funny.

  • Anonymous

    This is a dispute between the familes of the deceased and the leaders of the Mormon Church!  It should not be an issue in the Presidential campaign.  Mitt Romney cannot be held responsible for the actions of the leaders of the Mormon Church.

    At the moment, the Vatican is preparing to elevate Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York to the position of Cardinal.  If anybody disagrees with this (and I am not aware of any), they are free to take it up with Pope Benedict and The Vatican.  They should not be demanding that Roman Catholics Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich express their opinion on this elevation because they are Presidential candidates!  They are not responsible for the actions of the Vatican!

  • Anonymous

    I agree. It’s vile. And it’s an outrage that that so-called liberal media has largely ignored these grotesque abuses for fear of the outcry by right wing bible thumpers.

  • Anonymous

     Actually, considering that the Romneys did the same thing to Ann Romney’s deceased, atheist father, it is something to be discussed.

  • Anonymous

    Even you should think the idea of someone claiming you for their religion, regardless of your actual beliefs, after you have passed is atrocious and disrespectful.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_34VQ3NDNOFFUF6R7ALXY6O33S4 Cal

    It’s all about shifting the discussion away from Obama having “spent us into bankruptcy, most of the money went to cronies, and the job situation got worse. That’s the real story”
    – Prof. Reynolds

    Given that not one word of that is actually true, it most certainly is not “the real story”.

  • RW

    How about this?  Is this true?

    “For the second year in row, Timothy Geithner admitted before the Senate Budget Committee that President Obama’s budget takes no action to meaningfully reform entitlement programs, putting us on an
    “unsustainable” fiscal course.

    “Even if Congress were to enact this budget,” Geithner said, “we would still be left with–in the outer decades as millions of Americans retire–what are still unsustainable commitments in Medicare and Medicaid.”

    –  Washington Free Beacon via Drudge

  • Anonymous

    seeing the weisenthal(so called holocaust survivor,amonst so many)whine,as so many jews are wont to do,decrying something as innocuous as post death baptism shows how the obamanites will do anything and everything to discredit Mitt…Maybe if his white mother didn’t lay down with an african to produce the most despicable President of my lifetime I would not feel so strongly about even raising this silly and harmless practice of a few weird Mormons….
    Mr weisenthal and his minions like the idiot odonnel will stop at nothing to get obama reelected….

  • Anonymous

    Do not insult me,me the anti obama RACIST..>thats what those libs who respond to my comments call me…I accept their rant.be it true or not…maybe its just obama I do not like…

  • Anonymous

    I disagree!  What the Romneys have done to a family member within their own church is none of our business!  Have you ever heard of Freedom of Religion?

    If Rick Santorum and his wife choose not to use contraceptives because of their religious beliefs, that is also none of our business!

  • Anonymous

    I am sure you’d like it when you’re dead if someone baptizes you in the Rev. Wright’s church, right?

  • Gloves T. Donahue

    Actually, Jeremiah is kind of entertaining. I might wake up for him.

  • Gloves T. Donahue

    Look hard at any religion and they’re all pretty wacky.

    Every TV preacher I’ve seen says some crazy stuff ( except my personal minister, Victoria Osteen).

  • Anonymous

    Well let’s just all hope that posthumous baptism happens soon then.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_34VQ3NDNOFFUF6R7ALXY6O33S4 Cal

    Geithner is just wrong. There’s nothing “unsustainable” about Medicare and Medicaid.

  • Gloves T. Donahue

    And the same to you, fish.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Swann/100003281352784 Charles Swann

    Do you mean so-called holocaust, or so-called survivor?  Either way, watch your step, Skippy.  Ditto for the “whining” comment.

  • Anonymous

    Well, wouldn’t you say that the Romneys violated Ann Romney’s father’s freedom to be an atheist when they ‘baptized’ him after he was dead and unable to decline the sacrament?

    I didn’t say anything about Santorum or his wife.  Not sure why you brought that up.

  • Anonymous

    Is that a threat,I am reporting this including my comments…let them decide who was threatning whom

  • Anonymous

    make sure to add a categorical denial in your living will to joseph smith’s psychological battle with the inferiorities of his personal unconscious

  • bsorin1

    Yet, they plead for tolerance for their beliefs that they do not accord others. Baptizing Jews who have died is so offensive. They keep doing it and then say, “Oh, we are so sorry. We won’t do it again…until they do.

  • Anonymous

    This is silly.  They do the act of baptizing so if the person on the other side wants to accept it, they can, and if they don’t want it, they don’t have to accept it.  So if the LDS church is false, it doesn’t matter at all.  I seriously don’t get why everyone’s getting offended by this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Pritchard/100001252493298 Don Pritchard

    Let me correct a misstatement. There was no baptism of Simon Wiesenthal’s parents. The names were on a list of persons unvetted list of names submitted for baptism by one individual. The names would have been caught by the vetting process that is now in place and no baptism would have ensued in any case. Also, no one is “claiming” those who are baptised by proxy. As Jesus said, except a man be born of water and the spirit, they can not enter the kingdom of heaven. Proxy baptisms only permit the individual to make that choice for themselves. They don;t have to accept the baptism. Free will exists in the aferlife just as it does here. Please learn the facts from a reliable source before making statements that are just not true.  

  • Larry Linn

    My gay pagan friend was inspired. He is going to perform a
    post-mortem baptism for all of the deceased Mormons into his coven so that
    he can have fun with them for eternity.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JJZC6YH5WP3W3BXHIKL4NSKM4M Jute Wapeber

     Distgusting!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IC7HRBJRXKA7IKTTZS5W3UIECQ Agent of Truth

    Baptism for the dead is simply one of many many screwed up man made cult ideas invented by the mormon cult.  Even the book of mormon does not support most of mormon cult doctrine.  But….that is how cults work.  They pose as religions even though their teaches are made outside the scope of a religion and its respective religious scriptures.  Baptism for the dead is just one of many many screwed up momon cult teachings that are not Christian.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IC7HRBJRXKA7IKTTZS5W3UIECQ Agent of Truth

    How is pointing out one of the cult teachings of mormonism as far left thing?  It isn’t and you are an idiot for trying to spin things in that direction.  I’ll bet you were probably impressionable enough to vote for George W Bush.  Why don’t you come to Arizona where I have some gorgeous ocean front property I can sell you at presidents day discounted prices.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chasrmartin Charlie Martin

    Guys, can you think of something EVEN DUMBER to get outraged about next?

    Look, if you believe in the LDS theology, you’re saving these people from damnation.

    If you DON’T believe in LDS theology, it can have no effect whatsoever on your dead relatives.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IC7HRBJRXKA7IKTTZS5W3UIECQ Agent of Truth

    Baptism for the dead is not a small practice performed by only a few members of the mormon cult.  It is one of a large handful of anti-Christian practices performed by all temple mormons and it is one of many many man-made ideas that are not Christian. This along with many many other anti-Christian teachings and practices is why mormonism is a cult and not a religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IC7HRBJRXKA7IKTTZS5W3UIECQ Agent of Truth

    Hey gloves…..why don’t you come out here to Arizona so I can make you a bargain basement presidents day sale offer on some wonderful ocean front property.  Absolutely gorgeous ocean front property near Gila Bend.  You’d fit in well with the rest of these idiots who live in a state of mind where everything (especially the truth and facts) is a left wing conspiracy of some kind.  Perhaps you could live next door to that idiot loser Glenn Beck.  He could give you right wing blow jobs all day long while the two of you reminisce about returning this nation back to one that has the economy of The Great Depression and the social stupidity and laws of the Salem Witch Craft Trials.   

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IC7HRBJRXKA7IKTTZS5W3UIECQ Agent of Truth

    And this is also one of the many many anti-Christian teachings of the mormon cult.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IC7HRBJRXKA7IKTTZS5W3UIECQ Agent of Truth

    joseph smith was such a loser.  He was simply another charlatan of the day like Glenn Beck.

  • Anonymous

    If you believe that poshumous baptism is “anti-Christian”, that is your right.  It does not qualify you or disqualify you from being POTUS!  In the alternative, Mitt Romney and his family have every right to hold and practice their religious beliefs!  His beliefes have nothing to do with his Presidential qualifications!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FYVERNVVEL7KWT6UKIKYNCEMLM Douglas

     Mormons Posthumously Baptized Simon Wiesenthal’s Parents…And President Obama’s Mother

    yeah…so

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FYVERNVVEL7KWT6UKIKYNCEMLM Douglas

    I just baptized Bill Maher. In addition, I gave him a new name; Sh*thead.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently, George Carlin was also baptized posthumously.  

  • Anonymous

    I think there’s a few baptists and Pentecostals that may disagree with you on that, Charlie.   The logic you use may apply to someone who doesn’t subscribe to any theology whatsoever and may not care either way..but not to someone who follows a specific religious doctrine. 

  • Anonymous

    Did you forget to take your meds again? You are despicable. And that is not a threat, that is the truth.

  • Anonymous

    I love your friend!!! 
    This is a silly and demeaning practice. Want to know why people have problems with religions? Because of this crap. And the rape of children. And the physical abuse of children. And the hypocrisy of the leaders, who are leaders because they are “good and faithful” people. 
    So, go ahead, posthumously baptize me. I don’t give a ****. IT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    That pretty much hits the nail on the head.  Why would ANYONE be bothered if persons of a faith in which he does not believe takes the name of one of his dead relatives and performs a ritual in which he also doesn’t believe?  No one, not even Fundamentalists believe in this.

    Assuming my beliefs are correct (and why would I have them if I didnt assume that?) people can do anything they want with the memories of my dead relatives and that won’t change any reality I believe in. And frankly they do it because they think it will be good for the soul of my dead relation so I can’t entirely blame them either.
    Mormons can no more pray my ancestors into Mormon Heaven  than Larry Linn’s gay pagan friend can pray dead Mormons into his coven.Any outrage over this is pointless and misspent.

  • Anonymous

    Child abuse and molestation is as likely if not moreso to occur in the secular world than the religious.  Catholic Priests get the bad rap for the priestly scandal (deservedly) but that is for the most part a scandal of yesteryear.  Secular teachers molesting and having sexual relations with their students is going on NOW and in greater numbers than ever happened with the priests.  And if sites like badbadteacher.com are any indication, the number of teachers who are NOT being caught indicates the problem is huge.

  • Anonymous

    An outrage!

  • Ch Ob

    The religion of Joe Smith strikes again.

  • Anonymous

    I think it would be cool to have 67 children like Bring em Young, plus you would get the intimate awareness of the fact that the more christian your consciousness is, the more heathenish your unconscious behaves, especially if you are a native american jew  

  • J Bianca Jackson

    Even as an agnostic, I can see why people would be offended by post-humus baptisms. It’s the spiritual equivalence to necrophilia–if the body is dead, what’s the big deal is someone rapes it?

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