This story keeps getting better or more disgraceful depending on your point of view.

Somebody stepped in a big steenkin’ pile of Palin.

Chances are the musician that wrote the stock music they use did not know how it would be used, nor cared, until the word PALIN.

I certain Ted Nugent would be happy to go on with Sarah.

I like how Toby Keith admits he is a registered Democrat. That is a surefire way of getting the Dixie Chick treatment from Fox’s viewers.

Ha, this is an amazing story!!

lol…

Who else is thinking that Palin’s new reality show is just going to be Palin doing the voice overs for Discovery’s “The Alaska Experiment”

Sarah Palin’s career would be over in half and hour if she were to appear on an grownup, serious adult questions program like “Meet the Press” or “Face the Nation.”

I don’t see why Fox News needs to engage in these types of shenanigans. Presumably with Sarah Palin headlining the show, Fox News can throw the slop in the trough and the pigs will come running.

If my life story can be inspirational for future generations, who cares if it’s shown on Fox News or MSNBC? Who cares if the story is being presented by Glenn Beck or by Keith Obermann? Who cares about Democrats or Republicans?

Partisanship over integrity…what a shame!

Where are all the Palin and Fox defenders bashing Toby Kieth like they did LL Cool J? Curious!

Well, if Fox wants to get ratings in the short term by giving lots of airtime to people who specialize in extreme rhetoric, like Palin and Beck, this kind of thing is going to keep happening. Is it worth it?

@da-wdc

I don’t think rhetoric gives you ratings…just look at MSNBC…

It’s given MSNBC the ratings to overtake CNN, hasn’t it? They’re just not as good at it as Fox. I like and often watch Special Report and Fox Report, I don’t see why they can’t invest more in the news instead of putting on Beck at 5, who gets ratings by making stuff up. But he does get ratings. But he might cause more problems than he’s worth for the organization, in the long run, because the stuff he makes up is kind of out there.

da-wdc:

Name three things that Glenn Beck has “made up.”

I think I’ve figured out why fox is doing it this way. See, Palin is a moron and doesn’t have the skills to sit down and interview anyone. Journalists write their questions down and Palin isn’t a journalist. Despite her tour of 5 different schools she’s not a journalist and would likely be reduced to questions like, “what’s your favorite color”?

I wouldn’t say Beck makes things up; he’s been proven correct on a few points already (ex: when he accused ACORN of being corrupt before the scandal broke, and when he noted Van Jones is a self avowed communist before Van Jones resigned…that wasn’t made up either…). Moreover, he presents his point of view not using any anomymous sources or what nots; but with actual video footage, presented in proper context. And he often even post the whole footage on his website for anyone interested.

Progressives will never agree with him because he often attacks the core belief systems of Progressives.

What exactly did he “made up” that troubles you so much?

**Note: Be reminded that a lot of what he “claimed to have said”…or what Palin “claimed to have said”…they never said some of those things…the comments were planted by some Liberal blogger, and MSM simply ran with it w/o fact checking it first…

@bias-media

Just a point of clarification. The ACORN scandal that broke was edited tapes; I’m not exactly sure how you can say that video proves anything besides the fact that O’Keefe was willing to manipulate tapes to get famous.

Da-wdc, I also would like to see your response to Atticus’ and Bias-Media’s questions.

@marcus

Beck had the ACORN 7 (former executives of ACORN who tried to whistle blow corruption within the organization) on his show waaaaaaay before the video scandals broke…

Beck was the one who identified where the money for ACORN flows…towards an abandon house in Louisiana, which also happens to be where some union group funnels their money. This same house have since been investigated by the Louisiana Attorney General…so, again, Beck was right on that front as well.

If you watch the Beck program, you’ll know about all this stuff…

marcus lewis:

Even the New York Times agrees that the ACORN tapes were not edited in a misleading way. Here is the relevant passage from their recent story, as well as the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/opinion/21pubed.html

Acorn’s supporters appear to hope that the whole story will fall apart over the issue of what O’Keefe wore: if that was wrong, everything else must be wrong. The record does not support them. If O’Keefe did not dress as a pimp, he clearly presented himself as one: a fellow trying to set up a woman — sometimes along with under-age girls — in a house where they would work as prostitutes. In Washington, he said the prostitution was to finance his future in politics. A worker for Acorn Housing, an allied group, warned him to stay away from the brothel lest someone “get wind that you got a house and that your girlfriend is over there running a house of women of the night. You will not have a career.”

FAIR said that in Brooklyn, O’Keefe and Giles seemed to be telling Acorn staffers that “they are attempting to buy a house to protect child prostitutes from an abusive pimp.” That’s right, but FAIR left out the part about their clear intention to operate a brothel, which the Acorn workers seemed to take in stride, with one warning: “Don’t get caught, ’cause it is against the law.”

The videos were heavily edited. The sequence of some conversations was changed. Some workers seemed concerned for Giles, one advising her to get legal help. In two cities, Acorn workers called the police. But the most damning words match the transcripts and the audio, and do not seem out of context. Harshbarger’s report to Acorn found no “pattern of illegal conduct” by its employees. But, he told me: “They said what they said. There’s no way to make this look good.”

Name three things that Glenn Beck has “made up.”

1. Glenn Beck claims science czar John Holdren proposed forced abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/29/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-claims-science-czar-john-holdren-propos/

Name three things that Glenn Beck has “made up.”

2. Glenn Beck claims health care bill includes insurance for dogs
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/12/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-claims-health-care-bill-includes-insura/

marcus.lewis says:
March 31, 2010 at 7:19 pm

Come on, Marcus. Are you really ready to argue that in our Democrat controlled by insurmountable numbers legislature that they voted to cut ACORN off from the federal trough based on nothing more than unfairly edited tapes?

Are you ready to argue that all the voter registration fraud cases brought in multiple states are just dirty politics?

Are you ready to argue that ACORN has reorganized under individual state charters were all the result of James O’Keefe playing dirty pool?

Are you ready to argue that ACORN itself fired ACORN workers based on evidence that was completely bogus?

Name three things that Glenn Beck has “made up.”

3. Beck says less than 10 percent of Obama Cabinet has worked in private sector
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/02/glenn-beck/beck-says-less-10-percent-obama-cabinet-members-ha/

That’s three. Is there a prize?

Re: ACORN Scandal

and, btw…recall how the MSM was really quick to point out that OKeefe and Giles were “ran out the doors” or “kicked out” by ACORN employees…

which, apparantly never happened…but if the MSM says so, I guess it did?? (or did it?)

@James1102

Wow; Liberal slant all over again…if the LEFT is going to claim that Beck and Palin stirs hatred because they presented ideas, even though they don’t advocate it, then how do they analyze Holdren’s analysis…

in their own words:

But with regard to Beck’s claim that Holdren “has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population,” the text of the book clearly does not support that. We think a thorough reading shows that these were ideas presented as approaches that had been discussed. They were not posed as suggestions or proposals.

==> These were IDEAS presented as approaches that had been discussed (for population control). They were not posed as suggestions or proposals

WHY would you even present the idea, if you don’t think it ought to be used, but just that it can be used…huh?!!?

If we apply the same standard applied to Beck and Palin, then Holdren is guilty of promoting exactly what Beck claims.

you guys can’t have it both ways (I know you tried to…but I’m just saying…)

JamesA1102:

Thanks for actually citing to something for support, but your citations don’t prove the point. The claim is that Beck just “makes things up.” The examples prove that’s not true.

For example, the 10% of Obama worked in the private sector claim was based on a study by J.P. Morgan Bank that was published in Forbes. Your source disagree with the methodology of the study. We could argue about whether or not the study was perfect or imperfect, but that’s beside the point. Beck didn’t make up the claim: he based it on a published (if disputed) study by a reputable source.

Similarly on the Holdren advocacy about forced abortions and sterilants in the drinking water. The quotes are accurate. All that your source says is that decades later Holdren has backed away from them. Here are the quotes. Everyone can judge for themselves whether he is talking about forced abortions:

“To date, there has been no serious attempt in Western countries to use laws to control excessive population growth, although there exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated. For example, under the United States Constitution, effective population-control programs could be enacted under the clauses that empower Congress to appropriate funds to provide for the general welfare and to regulate commerce, or under the equal-protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Such laws constitutionally could be very broad. Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society. Few today consider the situation in the United States serious enough to justify compulsion, however.”

Or sterilants in the drinking water:

“The third approach to population limitation is that of involuntary fertility control. Several coercive proposals deserve discussion, mainly because some countries may ultimately have to resort to them unless current trends in birth rates are rapidly reversed by other means. …

“Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock. …

Can you argue about the meaning and significance of these passages? Sure, but they’re disturbing and they’re no just “made up.”

I don’t know as much about the third issue you raised, so I won’t dispute, but I strongly suspect that the same thing is going on.

First, kudos to Marcus for being an honorable opponent.

Second, let me highlight a portion of Atticus’ quote (I just came back from reading your link).

“The third approach to population limitation is that of involuntary fertility control. Several coercive proposals deserve discussion, mainly because some countries may ultimately have to resort to them unless current trends in birth rates are rapidly reversed by other means. … ”

Let’s pull a few highly significant words form that passage b/c they seem to mitigate against Politifact’s own conclusion:

“coercive” “deserve discussion” “b/c some countries” “have to resort to them”.

Are you absolutely convinced that Holdren was just a young innocent boy tossing ideas around that he would never ever consider unless, of course, we are only talking about those insignificant other countries.

Sorry, I don’t want a man capable of such rhetoric anywhere near the seats of power that control me.

Another quote from Politifact, Marcus:

“Under questioning by Sen. David Vitter, R-La., during his Senate confirmation hearing, Holdren said he “no longer thinks it’s productive to focus on optimum population for the United States. … I think the key thing today is that we need to work to improve the conditions that all of our citizens face economically, environmentally, and in other respects. And we need to aim for something that I have for years been calling ‘sustainable prosperity.’”

You can find the actual quotes here for other charming ideas that they were just bandying around, all in wild speculation, of course:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17292332/Forced-abortions-and-mass-sterilization-needed-to-save-the-planet-John-Holdren-Obamas-Science-Czar

Little musings such as forced adoptions, forced sterilization after a few children, a global force to enforce all their nifty ideas etc, etc.

I really hope you go read it all.

The significance that I see in his Senate testimony is that now that EARTH’S DESTRUCTION THRU GLOBAL OVERPOPULATION having been proven to be a myth he now disavows his ideas from the time he took it as an article of faith to concentrate his focus on “conditions that all of our citizens face economically, environmentally, and in other respects. And we need to aim for something that I have for years been calling ‘sustainable prosperity.”

The same mind that produced his earlier ideas that he now disavows will be put to solving our global enviornmental and economic problems. I say thanks but no thanks to him and his methods.

Thanks for actually citing to something for support, but your citations don’t prove the point. The claim is that Beck just “makes things up.” The examples prove that’s not true.

Wow you are really in spin mode or maybe denial mode. Politifact is a non-partisan site. The three examples I cited were all instances where they found Beck lying. Two were so bad that they rated them ‘Pants on Fire’. Spin and deny all you want but that doesn’t change the facts.

And if you want 3 more examples, here you go:

1. Glenn Beck, on anchor babies, claims U.S. is only country with automatic citizenship upon birth
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/19/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-claims-us-only-country-automatic-citize/

2. Beck says 45 percent of physicians would quit if health reform passes
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/oct/15/glenn-beck/beck-says-45-percent-physicians-would-quit-if-heal/

3. Beck says labor leader is most frequent White House visitor
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/07/glenn-beck/beck-says-labor-leader-most-frequent-white-house-v/

My few recent comments, that I addressed to Marcus, should have been addressed to James. I lost track of who said what.

JamesA1102:

“Wow you are really in spin mode or maybe denial mode. Politifact is a non-partisan site. The three examples I cited were all instances where they found Beck lying. Two were so bad that they rated them ‘Pants on Fire’. Spin and deny all you want but that doesn’t change the facts.”

You obviously don’t know what a lie is. Take the claim that only 10% of Obama’s cabinet has private sector experience. Beck was relying on an academic study done by J.P. Bank and which was subsequently published by Forbes. That’s not a lie. The study might be flawed, but that doesn’t prove Beck was lying and it affirmatively disproves that he was just “making it up,” which was the original claim. Two people can reach differing conclusions on an issue in good faith. One can be wrong without being a liar.

You can go through and post as many poltifact articles as you want. I’m no going to through and argue over each one of them because that’s not the issue. I’m not saying Beck is right 100% of the time. I doubt he is. I’m know I’m not. Nobody is. The issue is, and has been from the start whether Beck just “makes things up.” So far, on your first three examples, I think he unquestionably right about Holdren; I don’t know for sure whether he was right or wrong about the 10% private sector experience, but it clearly came from a reputable study and a reputable news source; and, admittingly, the insurance for dogs things sounds like, at the very least, a pretty gross exaggeration. But none say: “this way completely baseless; he just made it up.”

Okay, I looked at your next three examples. On birthright citizenship, it looks like he was just plain wrong. On doctors leaving he was off by one word. Instead of saying 45% will leave he should have said 45% will consider leaving. On Stern’s visit’s to the White House, what he said was correct based on the original data, but then the White House released additional data showing that others had visited more. Again, Beck wasn’t “just making it up” he was using the best data publicly available at the time.

So, in terms of overall accuracy, I’ll give you that he was clearly wrong in one of the six examples you cited. In other five, he was either clearly right, or there was a contested issue. That’s not very compelling evidence to me that beck just “makes things up.” Do you want to judge Barack Obama by the same standard? Or Keith Olbermann?

same2u says:
March 31, 2010 at 5:04 pm
I like how Toby Keith admits he is a registered Democrat. That is a surefire way of getting the Dixie Chick treatment from Fox’s viewers.
He’s on fox pretty regularly, and the reason no one bashes him is because he’s not a socialist. He describes himself as an “old school” democrat. You know, like back when they had scruples and shit.

Keith is a good guy, a dem with a concsience and a brain, rare breed.

jamesA1102:

Here’s politifact on Barack Obama. I’ve copies the first dozen stories that I found where plitifact deemed something Obama said to be “false.” I stopped after page 3 of a 13 page list.

The difference between Glenn Beck and Barack Obama is that Glenn Beck does 20 hours per week of live programming, fifteen hours of which is totally unscripted and he was a relarively small staff. Barack Obama rarely speaks off-teleprompter (speeches written by his staff) and certainly has never done 20 hours on radio and television in a single week. Yet, I was able to find twice as many instances of politifact deeming what he said to be false compared to what you found for Beck. Does that mean that Barack Obama just “makes things up”?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/27/barack-obama/obama-says-lobbyists-have-been-excluded-policy-mak/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/07/barack-obama/obama-said-reporters-didnt-ask-questions-issues-th/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/17/barack-obama/obama-says-decision-revoke-insurance-led-illinois-/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/10/barack-obama/national-health-insurance-exchange-has-restriction/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/09/barack-obama/obama-says-preventive-care-saves-money-it-doesnt/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/09/barack-obama/earmarks-stimulus-there-were-least-few/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/24/barack-obama/obama-says-lower-obesity-rates-would-save-medicare/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/12/barack-obama/obama-has-praised-single-payer-plans-past/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/05/barack-obama/obama-flubs-number-households-indiana-during-speec/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/23/barack-obama/health-insurance-company-turned-profit-not-rec/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/08/barack-obama/obamas-wrong-oil-imports/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/04/barack-obama/obama-claims-america-one-largest-muslim-countries/

JamesA1102:

In fact, let’s compare Beck’s overall record on Politifact to Obama’s overall record.

Politifact has deemed Beck to be “Barely True” 4 times; “False” 5 times; and, “Pants on Fire” 2 times.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/

By comparison, it has deemed Obama to be “Barely True” 33 times; “False” 40 times; and “Pants on Fire” 3 times.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

Again, the difference is that Glenn Beck does 20 hours of live television/radio every week, at least 15 hours of which is completely unscripted. Barack Obama is the teleprompter President and rarely does anything more than read copy written by his extensive staff. Yet, Obama apparently lies far more often than Beck ACCORDING TO THE ORGANIZATION AND MEASURING STICK THAT YOU SELECTED.

I’m sure based on this analysis you will apologize to Glenn Beck, renounce Barack Obama, and hereafter forever admit that Barack Obama just “makes things up.”

I’ll give you that he was clearly wrong in one of the six examples you cited.

As I said you’re in total denial mode.

That’s not very compelling evidence to me that beck just “makes things up.”

Yeah because you’re a totally partisan ideolouge who refuses to admitt the truth.

Do you want to judge Barack Obama by the same standard? Or Keith Olbermann?

Now trying to change the subject because the fact don’t support your spin. How intellectually dishonest of you, especially since I never made any claims about the truthfulness of either man.

JamesA1102:

I’ve tried to respond to you, but my last two posts have been blocked and are labeled “awaiting moderation.” I’m not sure why or what that means, but I assume that Mediaite is now banning me.

Atticus, did your comments contain more than one link?

That happened to me a while back and a nice commenter clued me in that that is an automatic blocking feature here.

Try breaking it down using just one link per comment.

AnonymousFinch, you mightw ant to take a look at this link:

http://mediamatters.org/search/tag/glenn_beck

65 PAGES filled with links and proof of Beck’s half-truths and outright lies.

It’s given MSNBC the ratings to overtake CNN, hasn’t it? They’re just not as good at it as Fox.

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LOL,what a maroon!!! MSNBC hasn’t “passed” CNN!! CNN has dropped so much of it’s audience it simply sank past PMSNBC.

In the latest quarter FNC has seen it’s audience grow 16% while CNN has DROPPED 40% and PSNBC has DROPPED 21%.