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Read Jay Carney’s ‘Total Meltdown’ Over Dishonest Mitt Romney Ad

by Tommy Christopher | 12:03 pm, November 24th, 2011

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Mitt Romney‘s presidential campaign has drawn widespread criticism from the press for its dishonest use of a quote from then-Senator Barack Obama in its new campaign ad. Rather than apologizing, though, the Romney campaign is engaging in a delusional victory dance, telling Slate’s Dave Weigel that White House Press Secretary Jay Carney was having a “total meltdown” over the ad. That delusion bespeaks the sad truth that they’re desperate to have anyone talking about them.

Romney’s ad, released Monday, plays a clip of President Obama saying “If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose,” when what then-Senator Barack Obama really said was, “Senator McCain’s campaign actually said, and I quote, “if we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.”

The commercial’s fundamental dishonesty drew immediate criticism, and sparked conversations about the political media’s inability to call a lie a “lie,” rather than use tepid descriptors like “misleading,” or lay off the dishonesty as some kind of subjective phenomenon, like, “Some say the ad is dishonest.”

While the reaction from the media was strong and negative, and the ad prompted a response from the DNC, reaction from the campaign has been relatively mild. Obama campaign spokesman Ben Labolt told HuffPo’s Jon Ward that the Romney ad was “a deceitful and dishonest attack,” and immediately pivoted to what the President has been talking about for months. ”While the President brought us back from the brink of another depression and is fighting everyday to restore economic security for the middle class, Mitt Romney opposes the President’s plan to create 2 million jobs and instead proposes a return to the same economic policies that led to the recession.”

It was somewhat surprising, then, when Romney adviser Stuart Stevens told Slate’s Dave Weigel that the President’s reelection team was having a “total meltdown” over the ad:

“There was a time when the Obama campaign had real discipline,” joked Stuart Stevens, a senior Romney strategist. “Today was a total meltdown. You had the press secretary to the president of the United States talking about an ad that was running on one station in New Hampshire. There was a time when Jay [Carney, a former reporter for Time] wouldn’t even have written about this. Total meltdown. It’s as if you have somebody on a witness stand, accused of anger management issues, and he jumps off the stand and comes after you.”

Set aside the ludicrousness of the premise, which is basically, “We lied about them, and they didn’t like it! Ha-ha!” Let’s take a look at the “total meltdown” that Carney had aboard Air Force One Tuesday, en route to New Hampshire: (transcript via email from the White House)

Q Jay, Mitt Romney is unveiling his first television ads in New Hampshire today, and they’re all aimed at Obama. Is the President going to be taking on Mitt on this trip today, or is the focus the payroll tax?

MR. CARNEY: Focus on the urgent need to grow the economy and create jobs, and, specifically today, to ensure that Americans have extra money in their pockets next year to help them pay their bills and make ends meet, and also to grow the economy. He will not be talking about the many different candidates for the Republican nomination today.

I can say, about that ad — I think the campaign has made comment. I mean, what — seriously? I mean, an ad in which they deliberately distort what the President said? I mean, it’s a rather remarkable way to start, and an unfortunate way to start. And I’m pleased to see numerous news organizations point out the blatant dishonesty in the ad.

Damn! Hide your kids!

Jay Carney is about as even-tempered as his famously Spock-like boss, but even for Carney, this hardly constitutes a “total meltdown.” He did use the “U” word (unfortunate), though.

This is one of those areas that gets mainstream news organizations into trouble, because “total meltdown” is a self-evident characterization, and as such, tough to pin down as a “lie,” but any reasonable person can evaluate Carney’s response, and conclude that Team Romney is, at best, lying to themselves.

By declaring that the ad “worked,” the Romney campaign is exposing the spot’s true mission. The GOP base has given a parade of candidates a ride at the top of the polls in order to avoid having to nominate Mitt Romney, an admittedly hurtful exercise. This ad was an obvious attempt to punch up at President Obama, and around current leader Newt Gingrich (and whoever is on deck), to change the subject.

barack obama, Dave Weigel, Jay Carney, Jon Ward, Mitt Romney, Stuart Stevens

Anonymous

Mitt Romney will be a fine President.

He is not going to spend the entire time playing golf, sightseeing the world and campaigning.

He can’t.

He has one monstrous mess to clean up.
Tittelater

Though it turns out Romney’s biggest sponsor will be Jello, the maker of his spine.
Anonymous

http://www.youtube.com/user/GaryLBauer#p/a/u/0/8-4w7TMscFk
Anonymous

I am not even going to argue with you. Republicans are going to fail- all your candidates have serious problems/issues troubling them.

One can also look at the declining number of comments on mediaite from the right. Michelle, Pablo, Tina Tampa etc are all tired of defending their candidate dialy on majority of mediaite articles- OUCH!!!1
Canucklehead

I must admit I have been reading your comments with tremendous amusement for some time. The only question I might want to put forward to you is: What universe do you live in?

I would also like to offer you a chance to win some money. You name the amount.

I say President Obama is re-elected, and both houses of congress go to the Dems. What say you?
Anonymous

Unless he said it after he spit out the spine he had just bitten out of a puppy, not really a meltdown.

Um… there wasn’t a puppy… was there?
joe

that would be nice but i have a feeling he may not even be noMITTated…
but you hang on to that dream of HAVING TO VOTE FOR…the person that is least revered by the Republican party~
hahahahaha

you guys make the Kerry Campaign look like a dream…
enjoy that walk over the proverbial cliff~
Obama2012

One question to the teabaggers, Repugs, Conservatards, whatever you call yourselves… Is it going to be Mitt or Newt? Cause it doesn’t really look good from here. Kudos to Progressives who have mainly stayed in the background watching the Right Wing cannibalize itself. Crap, out of popcorn again.
Anonymous

So what is Obama platform for the next 4 years! whining, complaining and blaming everyone else? Is that his campaign this next election? Is this what you guys on the left stand behind.

I know he had his first two years with a democrat Congress and Senate so where are we now? Oh yeah blame Congress but not the Senate yet until its republican majority!!! lol

Has President Obama ever said he made a mistake? That is a disease called narcissism !
Gr29az

Remember nov 2010?

Ditto nov 2012.

Sorry!
Anonymous

I say…stop going off your meds! Time for another dose!
Anonymous

The best thing the GOP has going for it and whomever its nominee is is Obama!
Anonymous

God luck with that one.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4OSK3UQOHK2PPSV7K3KVM422RA Rick

Nov 2010? Oh you mean when 1 party had control of both houses of Congress, during the next mid-term election, they lost major amounts of seats… like has happened in every mid-term election for the last 50 years when 1 party controlled both houses? Read your history please.

And in November 2012 Republicans are going to the cleaners. People are tired of their lack of support for what they were hired for.. jobs baby jobs. But instead of pushing jobs bills, they are pushing abortion bills and “in God we trust” motto bills.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4OSK3UQOHK2PPSV7K3KVM422RA Rick

LOL +1 for Tittelater
Anonymous

Well done, you made your point perfectly!

Purveyor
Anonymous

The ad is clever, but is it too clever? When voters saw first hand how Democrats would lie, cheat and bribe their way to passing Obamacare, as exemplified by the Cornhusker Kickback, and others, it paved the way for defeat in 2010.
Anonymous

Gloves, eh! I think you’ve taken a few gloves too many already!
Anonymous

Great! A presidential candidate who thinks telling lies works!
Anonymous

Jay Carney, Which is more dangerous?, a bad ad OR a president who seals all his records and then tries to run America into the toilet???
Anonymous

Weiner? Wasserman-Schultz? Grayson? Congressman Johnson of Guam fame? Sooo many, so little time.
Anonymous

The Senate will move to the Republicans and the House will hold the Republican mantle.

As far as Obama and re-election. Who knows. Either way, Obama was the catalyst that burned the Democratic brand for years to come. I thank him for that.
Anonymous

What does Carney think of the following? Tsk tsk Ezra.

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/wapos-ezra-should-have-de-kleined_b56658
Moosenuts99

There never was a democrat senate with Lieberman in there and the death of Ted Kennedy, as well as the GOP filibuster routine. CLEARLY YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW THE SENATE WORKS

But keep trying to propagate the GOP talking points
Anonymous

If America wants another LIER-IN-CHIEF, Mitt Romney will be in fine company.

I think our last 7 Presidents were such, except for Carter, he had outstanding character but he was over-matched by the office.

Too bad though. The office calls for so much more. And only Nixon went out with a bang.
SYSPROG

yeah and YOUR GUYS will continue to run up the debt, pretend that the military really doesn’t cost anything, lie to the American public and then make yourselves VICTIMS of the evil Dems. I know it’s HARD to remember 3 years ago, let alone the previous 8. Nice bubble you live in.
Bob Uda

It’s payback time. That’s all you evil demorats do is to lie, cheat, steal, and do everything illegal to get your Marxist-socialist agenda through the system. Every ad you put out are riddled with lies, falsehoods, innuendo, and twisted logic. How does it feel to get the same garbage thrown back at you. I know for a fact that the Obama campaign will use every dirty trick in the world to win Obama’s second term. Be prepared for the October Surprise. Obama will not win. He will lose big time. Do not complain about dirty tricks because that’s all you fools do is everything dishonest. Bring it on!
Anonymous

A Maxine Waters candidacy would be historic, with John Dingell and his 56 years of experience on the ticket with her, what could go wrong?
Anonymous

Sure there was. That’s how Obamacare got passed. And Liebermann voted for it.
Anonymous

You do know your infantile name tags don’t help your credibility? Or are you just angry and don’t care about persuasion?
bvicente

LOL! Everytime someone uses the word “clearly”, they have serious doubts about their position.

Here is how Congress works: Senate needs just a voter majority to pass something, or a 2/3 majority (60 votes) to overcome a filibuster. Lieberman agreed to vote mostly with Democrats for just about everything. The problem is, Obama’s programs were so off the wall, that the Democrats couldn’t even muster a couple of defections from the GOP in the Senate.

Why do you think Congress had to change the rules in order to pass Obamacare?

And lest you think this is just more GOP talking points, why do you think Obama constantly polls below a generic GOP candidate? The only reason the individual candidates are polling right at, or below, Obama is that the GOP hasn’t settled in on one yet.

Prediction: Romney will become the GOP nominee. And once he does, watch his numbers skyrocket over Obama’s.
bvicente

Wasserman-Schultz!!! The real braintrust of the Democrats! One brilliant person. So thoughtful. Never relying on party talking points.

PLEASE! Run Wasserman-Schultz!
Anonymous

Tommy,

Remember to pick up your paycheck at the DNC tomorrow.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LEBUWDJWYEWKBYGVNJJNRAKQ7I Ruth

Sound like Mitt is the talking point today!! I wonder how he is going to explain, and I know this will come up; how he will govern this country…Mormons are deeply religious and put God before the Constitution or the Country. It should be interesting how he deals with that talking point.
Anonymous

Everyone play close attention! Lets see what the media will say when the tables are turned and Romney is misrepresented…..NOTHING!

AND

While we are on the subject if all the Obama campaign talks about is the economy they WILL lose because the economy SUCKS! So what’s really caused the twinge in all the pucker-butts out there is the FACT that obama used those comments against McCain and it worked and now HIS critisms are true against him.

Thats checkmate!
Canucklehead

I am still trying to figure out what world you guys on the right live in. No honest discussion. No dialogue, just unsults and talking points.

Oh and to be fair, there are a number of idiots as well on the other side with their insults and their talking points.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Joe-Campos/1552245125 Joe Campos

GOP winner Newt Gingrich President for 2016
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690550741 Michael A. Leach

Tommy,

Are you at work in your office in the EEOB on Thanksgiving?

Is so, tell your boss, Barack H. Obama, hello from the rest of us in America.

Have a great weekend.
Anonymous

Disgusting, repugnant Republicultists.
Keaton

Oh the irony. Democrats complain about a dishonest use of a dishonest Obama clip. No one on Mccain’s campaign made that statement? Obama doesn’t have a quote or a clip, He made up the quote. And it connected with America. Romney’s add resonates because it is true. Deal with it Tommy!
Dooxie

And our President is never misleading (JOE WILSON) at least he had the b—s to point the truth out.
Fred

good job mediate way to support the president but like your admin says you are not linked to the obama network… ooops meant NBC/MSNBC
Anonymous

Anything that gets the OBAMO peeps in a totally enraged, apoplectic state I LOVE!

Keep bludgeoning them, Mitt and everyone! Keep bludgeoning this limp-wristed failure of a president.
Chris

Posted this previously, and I will post again. I don’t get the uproar about this ad. So what if BO was
quoting someone else? He quoted it to make a point – that he wasn’t
going to just “talk” about the economy. But the ad implies that’s all
he has done – talk. So Romney is calling BO out. What’s the big deal?
Canucklehead

Do you really really really believe what you wrote?
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U7T5LVIQK7AMIBM5WI765VDVDQ smald4lib

Chirs, I guess it doens’t mean a thing if you get all your news from GOP(Fox) News………………….Some people believe what they see or read without even questioning. Are we going to create these kind of bogus adds and not question them for their authenticity before we run them? Or are we going to put up adds that are true and to the point? And I might add, Union adds have to account for every dollar spent, but adds created by PACs don’t have too. I suppose you think that’s fair in a democracy too? Our system is broken and the 1% now control our politics of the 99%.
Canucklehead

I am quite sure that at your job, if you have one, you would really appreciate a co-worker or possibly even a competitor falsely attributing quotes to you that you never said.
Hannah Rebekah

The one who is sitting in the White House is the biggest liar. How do
you think Obama got elected? Obama and crew are famous for clipping quotes to knowingly make
the meaning opposite. Obama is famous for this, he’s done this to so many others, Hillary, McCain and more others. They have done it more recently with Romney with their flip flop mantra.
Don’t believe me? Just look at just one example on McCain that was a blatant lie:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/09/from-the-fact-1-3/

I’m going to search for others like this to plaster everywhere.

Obama has been a huge
failure, a real big flop on the economy and he does not want to talk about it
now which is what he accused the McCain campaign of doing. Whose’s the flip
flopper now?

At least the
Romney’s campaign sent out an email to the Obama campaign to explain the
context of the ad which is more than Obama ever did when he misrepresented
others. The Romney’s campaign summed it up best in their subject line of the
email…...”GAME ON.” Those on the Republican side are going to
shine the light day on not only Obama’s horrible record but also his corrupt Chicago style of campaigning.

Obama isn’t
working….He’s a flop

Time to flip
him….vote Romney 2012
Hannah Rebekah

You will like this link…promise:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/09/from-the-fact-1-3/
Hannah Rebekah

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/09/from-the-fact-1-3/
Hannah Rebekah

Now I understand
what the subject line in the email from the Romney campaign, “Game
On” was referring to when they sent the context to the Obama campaign. I
love how Romney is taking on Obama and crew’s corrupt ways.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/09/from-the-fact-1-3/
Anonymous

I’m so sick of this website. It’s like Media Matters-lite.
Hannah Rebekah

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/09/from-the-fact-1-3/
Anonymous

Twenty five jobs bills passed the Republican House, many with bi-partisan support, and all died in the Democratic Senate.
Anonymous

Not much of problem for people of all faiths who choose to put God over all things. Might be a problem for atheists or agnostics but they are typically, but not always, on the left. For those who realize the Bill of Rights guarantees freedom of religion, and are open to allowing others that right, it should be no problem at all.
Salemst

McCain was afraid to hit Obama in 2008. That won’t be the case in 2012. Obama will be forced to fight like a man for re-election. And who cares what MSNBC, Huffington Post, Mother Jones, and all the left wingers have to say?

Just as McCain couldn’t use the economy in 2008, Obama can’t use it in 2012.
Ricci Dats Me

They’ll use it easily by pointing out the steepness of the fall from which he claims he pulled us back. He’ll show that even during his inherited ugly first term, he still managed to lose less jobs than his predecessor did in the same time period, and he’ll claim its due to things he did. Sadly, he’ll have a ton of clear easy data to point to which can not be refuted, nor does it make much sense considering the number of jobs that were lost under Bush could NEVER be repeated after simply because there werent that many jobs in the first place (HA). Romney will have to clearly (or whichever GOP dude/chick makes it to the dance) distance his policies with those of the Bush admin, which means, again, the GOP guy will have to really prove that they will NOT run with anything similar to what BUSH did. Sadly they cant gallop back to the Gipper either, because most of what Obama has been trying, including the “class warfare” stuff, was done by Reagan in the early 80s. Funny how history works. Its always there to go back and see.

but enough SERIOUSNESSSsss. CAIN DANCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs7fJ6jAOVU
Cianook

Well see wont we…

Republicans Against Romney 2012
Anonymous

I think the ad and it’s lack of factual truth, tells everyone the kind of president Mitt Romney would make. It’s time to run away from this guy who obviously has no character.
Anonymous

FGump – at least they want you to believe that. Every last bill that the republicans have passed in the house have some abortion amendment with it or the balance budget amendment or the best one of all – Grover Norquist’s “make the tax cuts for the rich PERMANENT.”

You obviously have no common sense if you can’t see what is actually happening to our country due to the stick it to the middle class that the republicans has been doing – a continuation of the Bush policies.
Salemst

Romney’s ad was fine. If you prefer no US private sector jobs creation supporting tax increases and jobs killing legislation like Obamacare and Finance reform along with tax increases, cultural amorality, spending ourselves into bankruptcy, and amnesty for Illegals please vote Obama. He’s your guy.
JohnnyAmerica

Why is Romney’s add so shocking. His add was completely predicated on lies and this was immediately exposed. The idiot is a mormon. Mormonism is a cult that is based on lies. Adds like this are consistent with mormon tactics.
Keaton

Liberal religious bigot!
Keaton

Like Obama did to McCain! Payback is a biatch!
Keaton

Thank you. I did enjoy it!
Anonymous

Yes.

I expect Republicans to maintain/gain two of the branches. If we obtained the third, I would consider that a huge win. I expect the two I mentioned, the third would be the bonus.

Either way, the Democratic brand is hurt for a long time. It’s nice to run on Hope and Change if you actually give home and you do change. However, he built up the Democratic Party far too much. Who will the Democratic Party legitimately run in future election cycles? The R’s have a strong bench.
Anonymous

Every single Republican thinks it’s a good thing that their candidate is a compulsive liar. All Republicans are compulsive liars.
Anonymous

How do you not know by now that you have been fooled with that sealing records stuff? Republicans know you are a stupid person. They know they can make you believe ANYTHING, no matter how insane it is. I’m not attacking you or calling you names; I just letting you know how amazingly stupid you are.
Hannah Rebekah

I hope you pass it along. I’m going to dig up more of these examples and plaster them everywhere. We’ve got to get rid of the corrupt Chicago machine in the White House and take our country back before they bankrupt it.
Keaton

So the question in my mind is, is Tommy boy a paid propagandist for the democrats ,or is he just stoooopid?
Steveh

Will President Rommy be wearing his magic under pants?
Anonymous

MAN, did you score some “thumbs up” with this comment!

Speak again oh wise one… LOL
Anonymous

Now that’s funny!

And I’m a Conservative…LOL
Anonymous

That’s pretty bad, Pal.

First, KEATON is correct, you are a religious bigot.

Second, if Mormonism is a “cult that is based on lies,” I suppose one could say that about every religion, since the dawn of man? Effectively what you have done is substitute the word “faith,” for the word “lies?” That’s fairly offensive to spiritual people, the world over!

I guess I’ll leave it at that…

Purveyor
Anonymous

More “Deep Thoughts,” by…

“Korean Trevor”
10Bears

Will President Rommey be straping the dog to the roof of air force one?
Tolerate Nothing

Would look better than michelle obama up their!
Anonymous

Wasn’t “Ten Bears” a character in a Clint Eastwood Movie? (Outlaw Josey Wales)

Purveyor
Anonymous

Your name was “Stevah,” an hour ago. What gives? “Timmah” would be cool?
Anonymous

2012 will be a replay of 2010, no doubt. Americans are tired of a golf playing, pathetical liar and we need Real Change, not the Bad Change that Hussein brought upon us. Obama is a Failure. It should be he who apologizes to all of America for not doing his job. He owes We, the People an apology, but do you think the Narcisist Son of a Whore realizes he is worthless? He is too into himself to see his failings. No, Barry is taking the Backseat in 2012!
Canucklehead

First let me say thank you for replying in such a well thought out response, and without any vitriol. It is appreciated.

I can appreciate your loyalty to political party, but just remember that the other side love the country as much as you do, they only have a different vision than yours.
Canucklehead

Example please.
Anonymous

Keep them comming. Its on baby!!!
Anonymous

You think im on the right?

Truth is truth!

And as for insults…grow a sence of humor otherwise you run the risk of becoming a pucker-butt too.

So that being said…where is your discussion…bring it…im waiting.
Anonymous

Just jealous you dont have a pair?
Anonymous

Go sleep it off! You’ll feel better!
Qamar

Beautiful HQ Pictures…

http://picshits.blogspot.com/
throw the tea bags away

wow, it’s asswipes like you who use irrational language to describe delusional thoughts. Obviously, you have no clue that a majority of Americans DO NOT feel the way you and your rapidly declining tea bagger “patriots” who will disappear.
John361

Sorry indeed!
white men can’t jump

hahahahaha, omg, this post is hilarious. Marxist socialist agenda, blah, blah, blah, boy the Fox “news” talking heads really have you convinced, eh? You know for a fact, huh? Really. How do you explain every Republican trick of voter suppression? You don’t see Democrats trying to push through redistricting to place the odds of winning at all costs in their court. You don’t see Democrats trying to refuse the rights of students to vote. You don’t see Democrats insisting on drivers license photo IDs for 80 year olds to be allowed to vote when they’ve been voting just fine without them for their entire adult lives. Republicans don’t know HOW to run an honest and decent campaign because they know they won’t win unless they try to steal an election.
You are a paranoid and frightened man who can’t stand it that a man with a name other than “Bob” is in the WHITE house. The October Surprise, indeed. Write a little espionage book or something?
Me1Ranger

Try again, numbnuts. Bush picked up seats in his first mid-term elections. Stop history re-writes please.
Anonymous

Yay!! Our dishonesty worked very well. YAY!! We drove those guys crazy by being blatantly dishonest in promoting our presidential candidate. YAY!!! We win!! YAY for dishonest politics!

Keep up the good work Mittens. Sure to help in the general.
Anonymous

I wonder how devout Mormon’s feel about deceit?
Anonymous

Jay Carney is a mouthpiece for Obama and we’re supposed to believe he has a problem with dishonesty?
Anonymous

I am intrigued by the combination of professed faith and the dishonesty of politics. I wonder what trick of the mind justifies the dishonesty if they are truly devout.

My guess is most are not all that devout and their faith is for political expediency. Some are though, like I believe Bachman is, and the consistent dishonesty baffles me. Will God forgive it all because you did it out of devotion?
caconservative

Gingrich’s stupid, illegal alien remark may have sunk his boat. He’s certainly lost my vote!
caconservative

What do you call a person who attacks another by calling him names, and then says he not doing that? Hypocritical-twit comes to mind, what do you think?
WardMD

Odd…

I’m reminded of the Democrats playing a Newt Gingrich clip (out of context), “Wither on the vine” – over and over and over again for THEIR political advantage.

For those who don’t remember, Newt was taking about REFORMING Medicare (especially the bureaucracy thereof), and that people would LEAVE Medicare VOLUNTARILY (thus, IT [the bureaucracy/Medicare system]) would “wither on the vine”.

Not ONLY were Democrats (the Main Stream Media, especially) NOT upset about the ad DELIBERATELY taking Newt’s comment OUT OF CONTEXT, they played it (and quoted it) OVER, and OVER again!

NOW, for them to be upset about a SIMILAR (out of context) comment by President Obama, is, simply, HYPOCRITICAL (but typical of The Left: They dish it out left and right, and cry like little babies when the SAME tactic is used against THEM)!

I, for one, am SICK of the whinning Liberals’ double-standard!

November 2012 can’t come soon enough!
Anonymous

You need to go back on your meds. Also while at it, change your post name to THROW THE OWS AWAY and show your communist membership card so we know who you really are.
Anonymous

I say if ignorance was a disability, you would qualify for a full pension. That say ME.
Sermaus01

at the end of the day, it will be a republican nominee, supported by conservatives, moderates, independents and some democrats against Obama’s policies, the left has shown through history and with failing governments around the globe, that it does not work, it can’t sustain a system that relies on government control over the people
Anonymous

Just because you’re stupid doesn’t mean I’m calling you names. You have to learn to accept what you are. To be offended every time somebody calls you stupid is absurd.
steveknows

Doesn’t he have to be elected first?
I don’t see that as a foregone conclusion.
Even though you do.
In your infinite delusional musing.
steveknows

Sorry for Nov 2010?
We all are.
steveknows

If it weren’t for assholes like billshwitt, there wouldn’t be any repugnantan party. Without morons like him, voting against their own self-interest, they couldn’t ever win an election.
Notice how he didn’t even begin to explain any of his ridiculous charges.He isn’t even aware that one does that when making a charge. Apparently, he believes that his unimpeachable integrity alone, is sufficient.
Hey, what can you expect from low-life trash?
steveknows

What’s with the communist smear, shitass?
There hasn’t been a communist threat since the break-up of the Soviet Union 20 years ago. Didn’t your programmers tell you that, or are they as stupid as you are?
And even then, it was just a way to call anyone who disagreed with you a traitor, because you couldn’t think of anything intelligent to say.
Like you can’t, you two-bit moron.
Hope we meet again soon.
Creep.
steveknows

The repugs lose the house as their recent tea party wins are routed, recalled, and rejected. I base this on the polls that I read, not wishful thinking, like you do.
steveknows

That’s a good one.
What’s next, “poopy pants”?
Apparently, original and clever thinking is not in the wrong-wing DNA.
No? Then what are you saving it for?
steveknows

I don’t care about persuasion. To care is to assume that one is dealing with a rational opponent. That’s never the case with you wrong-wingers, as newcomers to online discussions, here and elsewhere, soon discover.
Me, I just enjoy dumping on you slobs.
steveknows

Yeah, he’s a lock for the Satan impersonator vote.
steveknows

He knows how it works, he’s just lying about it.
It’s what they do.
steveknows

Whining?
Are you serious?
Whining, bitching, moaning, and complaining are all you conservaslobs know how to do. All the while singing the praises of ruggged individualism.
What difference does it make what Obama does or who’s in power?
Take care of business on your own, and prove your philosophy by making it happen, instead of looking to the government for answers or blame.
That is, if you actually believe the crap that you espouse.
Which, apparently, you don’t.
Anonymous

All that people on both the left and right accomplish when their only purpose is trash the other side is to shut down discussion. The professional politicians and pundits who give their minions talking points are out to divide and conquer. These blogs could be repositories for a true marketplace of ideas, and I think that is the direction they’re moving, albeit at a slow pace.
Chris

But BO did say this…he was quoting someone else to make a point/calling out McCain for just talking about the economy. Now Romney is calling BO out….as a hypocrite. That’s probably why dems are all ticked off…don’t like their guy being criticized….
Anonymous

Your name calling and closed mind is a shining example of ignorance. If you will take the time to study the constitution of the former Soviet Union i.e. chapter seven and enlighten your self regarding Obama’s family, there may be a siight chance you could learn something if there is room left in that name calling pea brain of yours for any learning capacity.. As for as meeting again soon, I would love to meet you face to face and see if you are half the man you portray your self to be behind your keyboard. I have no programmers other than nearly seven decades of learning experiences. If ignorance was a disability, you would qualify to be first in line for full disability under Obama’s soviet (communist) policies..
Anonymous

That’s funny too—-LOL

Most religious have at least one quirk, so to speak. Those “underpants” are certainly unique?

Purveyor

Note: My two responses on this subject are benign and in no way meant to insult the Mormon religion.
Note: The ability to laugh at ones self, is indicative of self confidence.

Purveyor
Anonymous

COSMO,

I am not quite sure what to think about your comment, as we seem to agree? We both seem perplexed by the nefarious dichotomy of religion and politics? Is such merely an opportunistic use of power, or, as you seem to suggest…”what trick of the mind justifies the dishonesty,” suggesting a pathology of sorts?

A close and thorough examination of history will show the pagan religions far less mesmerizing, than Christianity and Islam. Greece/Alexander and Rome were driven by political conquest/defensive issues. It was not until the arrival of Christianity and Islam that we see mass religious delusion and subjugation.

Truly, the worst example of “professed faith and the dishonesty of politics,” was born of the Catholic Church. The Church and Spanish empire, convinced themselves by way of religious interpretation coupled with thorough Legal rationalization(s). Early western Law was the product of the Papacy. What the Church and Spain did to South American Indigenous people is the quintessential example, of which you speak.

I did research on one the most important Legal cases in Western History: The debate at Valladolid Spain as to whether or not the South American Indians were Human? If not, then the Church could “LEGALLY” enslave them? Which, of course, Spain did.

Purveyor
Anonymous

Is it that shocking that we might agree on something? ;-}
Thanks for that bit of history. An amazing trick of the mind isn’t it? Like our own history of slavery in stark contrast to the words of equality in our founding documents. Like the Bible and most religions teaching people to embrace the truth, and yet believers cling to tradition and resist the truth that challenges it.

I’m convinced that individual growth and societal growth are linked, in that the raising of the individual consciousness has a positive effect on those around us, and eventually, little by little, generation by generation, the consciousness of a society is raised. Racism in our own nation is a good example. It’s not gone, but it is marginalized, rather than the dominant consciousness.
Anonymous

http://www.enotes.com/topic/valladolid_debate

This is a fairly historical reference to the debate at Valladolid. No other culture in human history has spent so much intellectual effort to justify the murder, (genocide) and seizure of property as Spain and the Catholic Church in relation to Central and South America.

I realize thats saying a “mouthful” when you consider NAZI Germany and Stalinist Russia.

Also, There is a book–”The American Indian and Western Legal Thought,” by Robert Williams, Jr. Covers this subject, the Knights Templar, Islam, the North American Indians and Great Britain, etc. It is a heavy read. Maybe you could find it at the Library? HOWEVER, you’ll probably buy it as I suspect you like books too, and are proud of your personal library?

Purveyor
Anonymous

COSMO,

I CORRECTED THE ADDRESS…THE “V” In Valladolid should have been capitalized. Should work now.

Jess
expatpatriot

Dream on. The Republican nominee will get a smaller proportion of the vote than the laughable team of McCain/Palin got in 2010.

The ‘Licans have spent the last year shitting where they live, and the neighbors have definitely noticed the smell.
expatpatriot

This lying business is an especially pernicious Republican failing. And here we have you lying through your teeth. Color me unshocked.

The fact of the matter is that Gingrich was explicitly talking about causing Medicare to wither on the vine by effectively defunding it. As a result, the system would “wither on the vine” as the doctor-patient relationship collapsed when Medicare stopped paying reasonable fees. Yes, Medicare patients would leave “voluntarily” because Medicare would stop working.

No distortion, simply totally appropriate outrage at Gingrich’s plan to demolish a program that most beneficiaries had been paying into for decades.

It’s OK, though. Americans are smart enough to sort the truth from Republican lies. I should say “most” Americans, since that statement clearly doesn’t apply to you.
Tito Esposito

Racist.