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Updated: Amazon Removes Server Support For WikiLeaks

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Well this gives new meaning to the term “cyber Monday.” Multiple sources are reporting that US based, multinational online shopping site Amazon.com is allowing its massive server capacity to assist the technology company that is serving WikiLeaks.org, particularly in light of an apparent hacker attack (known as DDos) that brought the site to its knees. Updated.

Writing for the Wall Street Journal, Jennifer Valentino-DeVries reports:

WikiLeaks, the website that published a quarter-million sensitive diplomatic cables on Sunday, is using Amazon.com Inc. servers in the U.S. to help deliver its information. It sounds like an odd choice, but it could make sense.

The site cablegate.wikileaks.org, which WikiLeaks is using for the diplomatic documents, is linked to servers run by Amazon Web Services in Seattle, as well as to French company Octopuce. Wikileaks.org, the site’s front page, links back to Amazon servers in the U.S. and in Ireland. Several Internet watchers, including technologist Alex Norcliffe, reported earlier on WikiLeaks’ use of Amazon services.

Amazon and WikiLeaks did not return requests for comment.

Given the embarrassment that the WikiLeaks dump has caused the United States government, and arguably done irreparable damage to American diplomatic efforts, its rather stunning to learn that a U.S. company is lending “technical support” for WikiLeaks. The holiday boycott of Amazon.com will start in 3…2…1…

Update: Mediaite’s lead developer and all around technical guru Scott Smitelli clarifies:

In addition to being an online retailer, Amazon also serves as a web hosting company. They haven’t given WikiLeaks any bandwidth or server capacity as a sign of support or solidarity — WikiLeaks pays Amazon for web hosting (and they pay a significant amount, judging by their traffic estimates). Amazon isn’t “supporting” or “lending servers to” anybody; they are a neutral data carrier like everybody else.

AP reports (via Talking Points Memo) that WikiLeaks appears to have lost its main Web host Amazon.com:

The main website and a sub-site devoted to the diplomatic documents were unavailable from the U.S. and Europe on Wednesday, as Amazon servers refused to acknowledge requests for data.

Availability of the sites has been spotty since Sunday, when it started to come under a series of Internet-based attacks by unknown hackers. WikiLeaks dealt with the attacks in part by moving to servers run by Amazon Web Services, which is self-service.

Amazon.com Inc. would not comment on its relationship with WikiLeaks or whether it forced the site to leave. Messages seeking comment from WikiLeaks were not immediately returned.

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  • More Liberty

    There is where the free market comes in. If you don’t like what Amazon is doing, stop buying from their site.

  • MediaiteCensorsSux

    I will no longer be using Amazon. I had used it a lot in the past.

  • skyfet

    Hahaahaha, now lets see them shut Amazon down. Their ass would be dragged to court.

  • MediaiteCensorsSux

    I made two orders on Amazon this morning and was able to cancel them. I urge others to boycott as well. I think our gov’t makes a lot screwed up actions, but wikileaks is destructive too. Remember the saying, 2 wrongs don’t make a right?!

  • Bobomatic

    This is disappointing to hear… I’ll think twice before ordering from Amazon again.

  • More Liberty

    If the government takes down Amazon, I hope Amazon turns around and sues their ass. The government needs to be held accountable.

  • MediaiteCensorsSux

    More Liberty said:
    If the government takes down Amazon, I hope Amazon turns around and sues their ass. The government needs to be held accountable.

    Amazon would be suing our ass, not their ass……

  • skyfet

    I bet those that are planning to boycott amazon are similar to the jokers who boycotted the French wine. I bet some have never used amazon before.

  • More Liberty

    MediaiteCensorsSux said:
    Amazon would be suing our ass, not their ass……

    Well I’m sorry but the government needs to be held accountable. I’m aware that it is our money, but just because we risk losing more money we don’t have doesn’t mean that the government should be allowed to take down websites without due process.

  • MediaiteCensorsSux

    More Liberty said:
    Well I’m sorry but the government needs to be held accountable. I’m aware that it is our money, but just because we risk losing more money we don’t have doesn’t mean that the government should be allowed to take down websites without due process.

    I am confused, where did you learn gov’t was gonna take down Amazon? I don’t find that anywhere…thx

  • ImNotBlue

    Folks, Amazon has very little to do with this. They own the servers… imagine instead of Amazon, it was “GoDaddy” or one of the other host services.

    Boycotting Amazon isn’t going to do anything to hurt their business… I’m not even sure that if they wanted to, they could legally remove that site. I understand the frustration, but Amazon doesn’t have a lot of responsibility in this.

    Assange most likely put his info out on Amazon because he knew it would get him a lot of extra press… and perhaps (if his previous interviews are any indication) they sent him the wrong book at one point, and this is his “revenge.” The guy’s a weasle… but punishing Amazon isn’t going to impact him at all.

  • Jackie_Treehorn

    ImNotBlue said:
    Folks, Amazon has very little to do with this. They own the servers… imagine instead of Amazon, it was “GoDaddy” or one of the other host services.

    Boycotting Amazon isn’t going to do anything to hurt their business… I’m not even sure that if they wanted to, they could legally remove that site. I understand the frustration, but Amazon doesn’t have a lot of responsibility in this.

    Assange most likely put his info out on Amazon because he knew it would get him a lot of extra press… and perhaps (if his previous interviews are any indication) they sent him the wrong book at one point, and this is his “revenge.” The guy’s a weasle… but punishing Amazon isn’t going to impact him at all.

    Wow a rightie that finally makes sense.

  • MediaiteCensorsSux

    ImNotBlue said:
    Folks, Amazon has very little to do with this. They own the servers… imagine instead of Amazon, it was “GoDaddy” or one of the other host services.

    Boycotting Amazon isn’t going to do anything to hurt their business… I’m not even sure that if they wanted to, they could legally remove that site. I understand the frustration, but Amazon doesn’t have a lot of responsibility in this.

    Assange most likely put his info out on Amazon because he knew it would get him a lot of extra press… and perhaps (if his previous interviews are any indication) they sent him the wrong book at one point, and this is his “revenge.” The guy’s a weasle… but punishing Amazon isn’t going to impact him at all.

    If Amazon owns the server, how can you say there is no impact on Amazon? That isi silly…

  • More Liberty

    MediaiteCensorsSux said:
    I am confused, where did you learn gov’t was gonna take down Amazon? I don’t find that anywhere…thx

    I’m commenting on a previous post by skyfet.

  • More Liberty

    Jackie_Treehorn said:
    Wow a rightie that finally makes sense.

    Way to make this a partisan issue.

  • skyfet

    @More Liberty
    No you are not commenting on my post, you made it up. I didn’t say the Govt would shut it down, I simply say lets see them try. They don’t have any authority to do so, it’s an idiomatic expression rather than fact.

  • ImNotBlue

    MediaiteCensorsSux said:
    If Amazon owns the server, how can you say there is no impact on Amazon? That isi silly…

    I understand what you’re saying… but just because Amazon owns the servers, it doesn’t mean that legally they can boot anyone from their servers for no reason. If they’re donating the space, then they can do whatever they want… and a boycott would make sense. However, if Wikileaks purchased the space, they’ll have a contract which Amazon can’t break unless Wikileaks somehow violates their rules. Many hosts have rules that say, “no spam, no porn” and so on… but probably don’t have, “no espionage” clauses. That in mind, Amazon would put themselves in position for a hefty lawsuit if they took down Wikileaks without a contractually justifiable reason.

    It’s annoying, but still not really Amazon’s fault. It’s like blaming Home Depot for selling the rope that the kidnapper used to tie someone up. It’s not their fault that their product was used in a bad way, nor did they have the authority to stop the person before or after the sale. Not to make a pun, but it seems like Amazon’s hands are tied.

  • More Liberty

    skyfet said:
    @More Liberty
    No you are not commenting on my post, you made it up. I didn’t say the Govt would shut it down, I simply say lets see them try. They don’t have any authority to do so, it’s an idiomatic expression rather than fact.

    Did I say you said that? No I didn’t. I said I was commenting on a post by you. Go back and look at what you said, “now lets see them shut Amazon down. Their ass would be dragged to court.” I’m erely commentign and adding to the topic of shutting it down. I never said they had the authority, but that of course has never stopped the government from such actions.

  • Blogorant

    I know we conservatives are pretty new to this whole boycott thing but can we wait or an official response from Amazon before we start getting all wound up? Knee-jerking is the province of the other side, team. I’ll say this though… I’m a huge Amazon fan and order something it seems weekly. Would hate to have to stop doing that.

  • Just4thefax

    Fact: Reminds me of Sandy Berger hiding Clinton documents in his socks so Clinton wouldn’t be held accountable on his handling of terrorist. Clinton said he knew nothing about it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Martin/43100610 Jon Martin

    Patriot Act and Domestic Spying = OK

    Julian Assange and Wikileaks = END OF THE WORLD

    Have fun sheeple.

  • jac9392

    “Remember the saying, 2 wrongs don’t make a right?!”

    Not again with this quote. It is stunningly naive and simple minded to regurgitate that tired old quote over and over. Yes, typically 2 wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re not thinking.

    No person with an ounce of morality will say it was wrong to leak the information. Illegal, probably – morally wrong? No.

    Yes, there might be some hypothetical consequences resulting from leaks such as these. However, it is absurd not to consider the consequences of *not* having leaked this information. Governments and administrations (including the US) must be held accountable for their irresponsible actions, otherwise they will continue to carry on with illegal activities until whistle-blower individual and groups finally do the right thing in the face of malevolent opposition.

    Someone also said that Assange is a weasel. Well, Assange knows that he could end up in jail for a very long time. I’d call that someone with *real* courage and integrity, as opposed to cowards hiding behind the now highly questionable legitimacy of the government and military.

    Attackers and prosecutors of whistleblowers such as these should be ashamed of themselves. If you were a real patriot and a person claiming to have any concept of morality, you’d admire the courage and moral integrity of the people behind Wikileaks. Otherwise you’re probably just a moral coward hiding behind a curtain of false legitimacy. It’s either stunning naivety of just plain moral malevolence.

  • equaljustice4u

    I just said ‘goodbye’ to Amazon……..not one penny from me!!!!

    They gave me no choice.

  • jac9392

    @equaljustice4u

    Well it’s your loss. I bought from Amazon in the past and will continue to buy from them – moreso after this news. I’ve also been using their excellent hosting services and looking forward to many more years with them.

    Amazon did the morally correct thing in lending server bandwidth. Just because something is legally right doesn’t mean its morally right. It’s good to see large corporations standing up for what’s right.

  • equaljustice4u

    Nope, not me! But the families of those murdered/tortured/imprisoned when their name shows up……….why don’t you tell them?

  • Pablo

    Jon Martin said:
    Patriot Act and Domestic Spying = OK

    Julian Assange and Wikileaks = END OF THE WORLD

    Have fun sheeple.

    Classified information? Pshaw!

  • jac9392

    equaljustice4u said:
    ?

    Wow the selfishness and hypocrisy is astounding.

    As opposed to the families tens of thousands of dead Iraqi men, women and children?? (If there are any members of the families left) Their names never show up anywhere. And who speaks for the deformed newborns caused by depleted uraniam rounds from Coalitians forces? Who speaks for those deaths under which the circumstances are covered up and shrouded in secrecy? Will you tell them?

    We’re all talking *hypothetically* about what might or might not happen due to these leaks. In fact, there is no evidence to suggest that any innocent people will be brought to harm by these leaks, as opposed to the injury and death already inflicted on thousands in the Iraq and other wars.

    So, who will speak for the tens thousands of dead civilians? Will you tell their families that their son or daughter has been mowed down by a Coalition helicopter? Yeah, why don’t you tell them? Or maybe you just want to shroud unimportant fact in secrecy.

  • jac9392

    equaljustice4u said:
    Nope, not me! But the families of those murdered/tortured/imprisoned when their name shows up……….why don’t you tell them?

    And basically, you’re saying the lives of US soldiers and spies are more important than civilians of other nationalities…stunning. Morally challenged thinking?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Phil-Bourekas/1538058627 Phil Bourekas

    jac9392 said:
    No person with an ounce of morality will say it was wrong to leak the information. Illegal, probably – morally wrong? No.

    So, if someone disagrees with you, by definition that person has no morality?

    I believe I have at least the minimum required morality. And, it was absolutely morally wrong to leak the information. The decision to do so did not belong to Pfc Manning or to Assange.

    The fact of the matter is, as long as there are those who seek to do harm to our citizens and our country, our government needs the ability to have some secrets. That is not immoral. Immoral is the indiscriminate use of stolen materials…

    Government absolutely needs checks and balances. But this is not the way.

  • equaljustice4u

    Every life is important unless you’re a liberal……..then you think you are the most important person and only what you believe is right: Right?

    I hope you’ll enjoy the USA, Cuban style…….that looks like what you guys want……a nation that depends on another country to feed you…….I hope you like rice, China won’t be sending anything but rice.

  • MediaiteCensorsSux

    Amazon did the right thing to shut down wikileaks. If Mr. Wkileaks is so proud of putting everything out there, why is he in hiding?

  • equaljustice4u

    It appears they needed my money more………….thanks for helping!!

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