Obama should have expressed his views in private to the Israel. This public bullying has backfired on him, and certainly hasn’t advanced the cause of peace in the Middle East.

Mike Murphy said that Obama probably lost 75,000 votes to Rs in FL based on this alone.

Oh happy day!

Imagine if the President of France did this to a GOP President. We’d be eating freedom fries and severing all diplomatic ties. Few things are more upsetting than all of these Israel-first “Americans”. They’re traitors, and should be treated as such.

You would think that Mediaite would actually feature actual media stories, like Jeanne Cummings moving from Politico to Bloomberg, but nope.

Leftys are such polite racists.
Just imagine if evil Fox-news said “boy” anything about Barry.

The overwhelming majority of Americans support our great ally Israel and are totally, completely opposed to the outrageous extremist position of “You Lie!” hussein and the other anti-Semitic lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists.

I hope that American jews, who tend to be fully committed lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists, will now turn their backs on “You Lie!” hussein, who is indisputably the most anti-Semitic politician since the Third Reich.

Publius219 said:
Imagine if the President of France did this to a GOP President. We’d be eating freedom fries and severing all diplomatic ties. Few things are more upsetting than all of these Israel-first “Americans”. They’re traitors, and should be treated as such.

Presidents of other countries do it all of the time. Mexico’s President did it to us. It’s not BiBi’s fault that Obama is a horrible President. Sheesh.

And Barack liked it……he REaLLY LIKED IT.

I here he ( Barack ) even asked BeBe to spank him while calling out ” Whose Your Daddy “.

The Prime Minister of Israel respectfully declined.

Good column, Matt. Netanyahu has been dealing with neighbors who’s stated purpose is the end of Israel for a long time. Obama has zero experience, and it shows.

Publius219 said:
Imagine if the President of France did this to a GOP President. We’d be eating freedom fries and severing all diplomatic ties. Few things are more upsetting than all of these Israel-first “Americans”. They’re traitors, and should be treated as such.

I was thinking, it must suck to be as stupid as you are, but on the other hand, since you are so dumb, you probably don’t even realize it. Ignorant bliss, perhaps? I’m guessing the result of a seriously muddied up gene pool.

winning said:
Good column, Matt.

Agreed

Obama was paying attention to Rev. Wright when he was ranting against the Jews. Obama hates the Jews. He pretends to support them while doing everything he can to bring them down.
Obama is not smarter than a fifth grader and he needs to be lectured like a school boy.

TeaPartyPatriot said:
I hope that American jews, who tend to be fully committed lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists, will now turn their backs on “You Lie!” hussein

Probably not. Progressives are progressive first, then comes any religious considerations.

“Allies of Palestinians see a friend in Obama”

That was a headline from April , 2008 . Obama has many anti- Israel associates and mentors . Why ? The LA Times has a tape of what Obama said at a farewell dinner for Rashid Khalidi , but would not release it before the election – or since .

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/10/nation/na-obamamideast10

Matt Schneider, wtf are doing taking netanyahoo’s side? … you act as if Obama was the first president to stand by the 1967 map

Rude Andrea? After Obama’s disrespectful speech the day before, Obama asked for more than the respectful schooling Netanyahu gave him. I expect Andrea Mitchel’s shameless defense of Obama to get much worse as Nov. 2012 approaches.
I do hope this election turns into a referendum on the MSM as well.

Publius219 said:
Imagine if the President of France did this to a GOP President. We’d be eating freedom fries and severing all diplomatic ties. Few things are more upsetting than all of these Israel-first “Americans”. They’re traitors, and should be treated as such.

A terrible choice of example, here. A better analogy would be the president of an allied nation telling us that we should return the United State to pre-1850 borders and cede the southwest to Mexico.

Mr. Obama was out of line and talking before he thought…..again. Either that, or he is showing his true colors – his support of organizations with a bias against Israel is well known.

Kainne – with the exception of Jimmy Carter – another anti-Semite – no other president has actually made this ludicrous statement as a matter of policy.

Andrea Mitchell said “It was a stone-faced Barack Obama and Netanyahu basically treating him like a school-boy.” And then she went on to say Netanyehu was “really rude”

Since when it is rude for the teacher to reprimand the student, especially when the student is so clearly out of his depth?

kainne said:
Matt Schneider, wtf are doing taking netanyahoo’s side? … you act as if Obama was the first president to stand by the 1967 map

Because they are shameless shills, anyone who follows this stuff would know that last November the offices of the Prime Minster of Israel released a joint statement with the U.S. Secretary of State which stated

““We believe that through good-faith negotiations the parties can mutually agree on an outcome which ends the conflict and reconciles the Palestinian goal of an independent and viable state based on the 1967 lines, with agreed swaps, and the Israeli goal of a Jewish state with secure and recognized borders that reflect subsequent developments and meet Israeli security requirements.”
November 10 2010

Also here is George W. Bush

“The point of departure for permanent status negotiations to realize this vision seems clear: There should be an end to the occupation that began in 1967. The agreement must establish Palestine as a homeland for the Palestinian people, just as Israel is a homeland for the Jewish people. These negotiations must ensure that Israel has secure, recognized, and defensible borders. And they must ensure that the state of Palestine is viable, contiguous, sovereign, and independent…

Achieving an agreement will require painful political concessions by both sides. While territory is an issue for both parties to decide, I believe that any peace agreement between them will require mutually agreed adjustments to the armistice lines of 1949 to reflect current realities and to ensure that the Palestinian state is viable and contiguous. I believe we need to look to the establishment of a Palestinian state and new international mechanisms, including compensation, to resolve the refugee issue.”

opps another blown attack by the complicit media, curses foiled again.

So either this guy Matt Schneider is an idiot (entire possible), or he is willfully misinforming people (also entirely possible).

Publius219 said:
Imagine if the President of France did this to a GOP President. We’d be eating freedom fries and severing all diplomatic ties. Few things are more upsetting than all of these Israel-first “Americans”. They’re traitors, and should be treated as such.

Agreed, I want to tell the writer of this ridiculous piece that anyone who thinks that the U.S. is a foreign country to Israel is surely joking. That is a good one.

Benjamin Netanyahu =Patriot.

Color Me Badd said:
Agreed, I want to tell the writer of this ridiculous piece that anyone who thinks that the U.S. is a foreign country to Israel is surely joking. That is a good one.

its a state or terrirtory of the US now? wow never knew

When will our MUSLIN in chief realize that criticizing the State of Israel in ANY WAY automatically makes you an Anti-Semetic TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER?!?!?!?!1111

Oh that’s right he already knows that because he’s a MUSLIN who HATES JEWS!!!!!1111

John Martin said:

Kainne – with the exception of Jimmy Carter – another anti-Semite – no other president has actually made this ludicrous statement as a matter of policy.

George W. Bush, 25 June, 2002′
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jun/25/israel.usa

Once again it is overreach by the wingnut crowd. Any president who signs Osama bin Laden’s order to shoot first and ask questions later is: (1) not a muslim and (2) a friend of Israel’s.

“Just asking, but might it also be “really rude” if a foreign country demanded that we give our land to our sworn enemies so that our new neighbors can then use such land to make their desired goal of our total annihilation possible and much easier? If the answer is yes (as it should be), then Obama (and Mitchell) should be grateful that the President’s naive foreign policy dreams were met with merely a stern “lecture” from Netanyahu and not much more.”

Nice post, Matt.

John Martin said:
A better analogy would be the president of an allied nation telling us that we should return the United State to pre-1850 borders and cede the southwest to Mexico.

I was going to ask why is everyone always demanding Israel give back territory it acquired via military action, when the entire rest of the world is made up of countries that have been acquired via war and military actions…. I mean, is there one border in the world that is as it always was through history?

Seriously the Republicans aren’t even trying anymore, why did you guys give up?

Lets see what happens when Native Americans demand that Obama give all the lands they had in 1790 back to them. Yet Obama and others have no problem telling Israel to give back land that has been theirs since Biblical times.

guys this is all political bullcrap. Bush wanted a two state solution, all presidents do. We give Israel tons of money so our president has a right to give them his opinion. When Israel stops taking our money then they can get mad when we say things.

Another Epic Fail from Matt Schneider…

Color Me Badd said:
Agreed, I want to tell the writer of this ridiculous piece that anyone who thinks that the U.S. is a foreign country to Israel is surely joking. That is a good one.

Color Me Badd said:
Seriously the Republicans aren’t even trying anymore, why did you guys give up?

how can you argue with someone that thinks like this

Andrea Mitchell: Israel PM Lectured Obama And Treated Him Like ‘A Schoolboy’

Not suprising.
Obama told Israel to shed it’s border to a country that dosen’t exist.
He might as well tell Israel to give up it’s border to Munchkin Land.
After saying something as ignorant as that, how can you expect Obama to not be treated as the slow kid of the classroom?

Obama has just approved over 30 Billion in foreign aid to Israel for the next decade. The Israeli leader should be bowing to Obama

News flash Illusive man its not Israel’s land. Not one country in the world say it is including the United states. Just like the Gaza strip wasn’t Israle’s land and was given back under the Bush admin in 2005

Israel PM Lectured Obama And Treated Him Like ‘A Schoolboy’

…just what ANYBODY would do to a shallow, profane, lying, arrogant, platitude-spouting, pompous, inexperienced, smug, Marxist, drug-addicted, elitist, narcissistic, racist, anti-Semitic, flip-flopping gas-bag who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes, who hijacked the nomination with fewer votes than Hillary received, and who stole the election with extensive ACORN fraud.

BRAVO, BIBI !!!!

cjd ohio 1 said:
how can you argue with someone that thinks like this

Collectivists don’t think.
Everything they say and every action they make is a result of programing.
To argue with an organic robot is pointless.

Matt Schneider writes:

““Just asking, but might it also be “really rude” if a foreign country demanded that we give our land to our sworn enemies so that our new neighbors can then use such land to make their desired goal of our total annihilation possible and much easier? If the answer is yes (as it should be), then Obama (and Mitchell) should be grateful that the President’s naive foreign policy dreams were met with merely a stern “lecture” from Netanyahu and not much more.”

Recent news:

“Mr. Barak said that Israel might seek extra security assistance from the United States of up to $20 billion, but could not seek pledges of aid without making a “daring” peace offer.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/world/middleeast/09mideast.html

Matt, when you’re SUBSIDIZING somebody’s activities, yeah…I would say you have a right to voice an opinion on those activities that doesn’t necessarily reflect the far right Likud party.

sarainitaly said:
I was going to ask why is everyone always demanding Israel give back territory it acquired via military action, when the entire rest of the world is made up of countries that have been acquired via war and military actions…. I mean, is there one border in the world that is as it always was through history?

Sarah, you understand that Israel was created by UN in1948. In September, Palestinians led by President Abbas will lobby for official recognition by the same UN. The only government standing in the way of that is the United States.

Don’t believe me?

“”We hope that the EU will take this step to maintain the requirements for the success of the peace process, which was thwarted by Israel,” said Saeb Erakat, the chief Palestinian negotiator.

There has been a week of intense EU diplomacy after an initiative by the so-called “quint” of Britain, France, Germany, Italy and the US, to push Israel into negotiations.

“There is growing frustration with Israel after its refusal to commit to a new settlements freeze and patience is running out,” said a European diplomat.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8199643/Europe-threatens-to-recognise-Palestinian-state.html

I would ask both you, Sara, and Matt Schneider, at a time where many Americans are screaming about deficit spending and middle eastern entanglements…just how wise you think it is for Bibi Netanyahu to “lecture” his nation’s bankroll and protector?

–Cobra

Demonizing Bibi is Talking point item #1 Straight from the WHouse from Mitchell.
How does Andrea Mitchel know what was discussed in whichever tone?

All BS.The Left talking points/instructions to thei MSM/Campaign Operators
has been given and you will hear this all day long come Monday!

And for this time & for all :” Bush did it too” “It’s Bush’s fault”
is no longer valid. Get new BS to type. ughhh
Iran is in different position today than it was a month ago..
So is Egypt so is……everything i n ME
Different threat level.
Different Presidents, with identical strategies
mean totally different ramifications just a short time later.

Stop the same ol Bush this Bush that , he did it too mommy
it gets annoying.Are you sayin that if it’s identical to Bush then it’s GREAT?
I thought your God/President was so “Hope & Change”
Where tf is the change? Original strategies Doctrine /Foreign Policy
to deal with all the messes going on?

EVERYTHING IN THE MIDDLE EAST is falling apart.
By his design..
Is your Hope & Change just to stand there like
Family Matters Steven URKEL hands on the waist
asking? “Did I do That?” or What would GWBush do?

First of all let me make it clear I am not an anti-Semite. But, what most Americans lack is an understanding of the history of the region. From 1517-1917 it was a part of the Province of Syria, unser the Ottoman Empire. From 1917 to 1948 this region was known as Palestine and was ruled by the British Empire. During this period there were several waves of immigration from mostly Russia and Eastern Europe that ended with the so called “war of liberation” in 1948 with arms help from the Allies of World War II. This war, supported by outside governments, resulted in the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who are now living in lands that have been occupied periodically by the Israelis and in recent decades “settlements” of Jews have begun to be built on these lands. Is it any wonder the Palestinians are upset? If you don’t believe a person brought up in a Christian church that taught that these lands were Israeli by “divine” deed, then read the article in Wiki and the supporting literature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
Thank you for your time,
Jonathan Evans
Norfolk, Virginia

Once again why do you guys keep saying everything in the middle east is falling apart? Its been broken for years. You guys do understand that Israel has fought four major wars with the arab countries and countless minor ones? Hell there has been relative peace in that are compared to the past. Why are things worse now? In 1973 israel was invaded by 4 countries at once and they kicked their asses. Stop acting like the world is coming to an end. Obama made a policy speech on what he thinks should happen. Big freaking deal. They are our welfare state we can suggest anything we want.

and tiredofbs we bring up Bush because he said the exact same things. You guys seem to forget that and act like Obama is the anti-christ. American policy on the two state solution has been about the same for the last 30 years. So don’t go all wingnut on us and act as if Obama is coming up with this stuff out of the blue. Thats why we bring up other administrations.

kainne said:
you act as if Obama was the first president to stand by the 1967 map

Resolution 242 of 22 November 1967 called for “withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict”.

American diplomats then and ever since noted that the word “the” does not appear before the word “territories”, because the resolution did not mandate the return of ALL territories. Every president since Lyndon Johnson, possibly even Jimmy Carter when he was president though not at present, has acknowledged the intentional wording of that resolution.

Until Barack Obama, who said “the boundaries of Israel and the Palestinian state should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps”. This implies that any land acquired in the 1967 war must be returned or some equivalent territory given in trade. This may sound fair but it is not, and it has not been the policy of the US for these last 44 years.

Could you wingnutz explain again the wisdom of granting PROPERTY based on buyblical claims?

I love the “our land” bit in Schneider’s article. By “our land” he means the ancestral homes of the Palestinian people, confiscated using force (backed by good old American dollars) over the last 60-some years a few acres at a time — when they weren’t taking huge chunks like in 1967.

Hey they stole than land fair and square! How dare Obama suggest they give it back?

I should add that the Israelis have the atomic bomb. Where did they get this technology? Originally from France to build nuclear reactors for power production.. Later from spying on the U.S.and leaks from sympathetic U.S. government employees. Obtaining this information and nuclear materials in violation of International law. References: http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/israel/nuke.html
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/spy.html

Have a nice day.
Jonathan Evans
Norfolk, Virginia

Motherlode beth Israel as it is does not constitute Israel as it was during Biblical times. The land given to the jewish people was given to them by the UN. If you would like Israel to have what it was during biblical times then its a considerable amount more than they have. Would it be ok if they moved into that land as well?

I guess the right doesn’t mind that we give Israel billions of dollars. The old well my welfare is good but your welfare is bad mentality.

TeaPartyPatriot said:
The overwhelming majority of Americans support our great ally Israel and are totally, completely opposed to the outrageous extremist position of “You Lie!” hussein and the other anti-Semitic lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists.

I hope that American jews, who tend to be fully committed lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists, will now turn their backs on “You Lie!” hussein, who is indisputably the most anti-Semitic politician since the Third Reich.

Facts never slow you down, do they. A large number of Americans — including a substantial proportion of American Jews — are sick and tired of Israel’s unjust and dysfunctional policies and support the notion that the billions of dollars we’ve put into Israel over the last 60 years should give us some influence over that nation’s behavior.

J Baustian said:
Andrea Mitchell said “It was a stone-faced Barack Obama and Netanyahu basically treating him like a school-boy.” And then she went on to say Netanyehu was “really rude”

Since when it is rude for the teacher to reprimand the student, especially when the student is so clearly out of his depth?

Netanyahu is a supplicant for American largesse, not a teacher. We got deficits? I can think of one place to save a billion or two.

Yep Jonathan and they built that atomic bomb and violated every international law in the books to do it. Thats why they wont say they have it. But see its ok for them to do that i guess.

And Obama apparently listened and has now back tracked and changed his tune, which has Bibi now saying they can work together.

Obama got lectured, he got embarrassed despite the left wing media protecting him throughout this embarrassment, he has since changed his tune.

TeaPartyPatriot said:
Israel PM Lectured Obama And Treated Him Like ‘A Schoolboy’

…just what ANYBODY would do to a shallow, profane, lying, arrogant, platitude-spouting, pompous, inexperienced, smug, Marxist, drug-addicted, elitist, narcissistic, racist, anti-Semitic, flip-flopping gas-bag who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes, who hijacked the nomination with fewer votes than Hillary received, and who stole the election with extensive ACORN fraud.

BRAVO, BIBI !!!!

You left out Obama’s habit of kicking puppies, nitwit.

illusive man said:
Collectivists don’t think.
Everything they say and every action they make is a result of programing.
To argue with an organic robot is pointless.

I like Sci-Fi too, but I don’t pretend it’s real. Get a grip.

Cobra said:
sarainitaly said:
I was going to ask why is everyone always demanding Israel give back territory it acquired via military action, when the entire rest of the world is made up of countries that have been acquired via war and military actions…. I mean, is there one border in the world that is as it always was through history?

—-
Sarah, you understand that Israel was created by UN in1948. In September, Palestinians led by President Abbas will lobby for official recognition by the same UN. The only government standing in the way of that is the United States.

Yea, the Nation they enjoyed for about one day, before they were attacked by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq.

i’m talking about the 1967 six-day military action when israel obtained the new territories – the ones obama said should be given back.

“just how wise you think it is for Bibi Netanyahu to “lecture” his nation’s bankroll and protector?” – Was it wise for Obama to lecture China on human rights issues?

I don’t think the US can afford to not be friends with Israel…. And it sure sounds like he softened his tune, and reinforced his *friendship* with Israel today, so it sounds like Bibi’s lecture worked.

mediadoubt said:
I love the “our land” bit in Schneider’s article. By “our land” he means the ancestral homes of the Palestinian people, confiscated using force (backed by good old American dollars) over the last 60-some years a few acres at a time — when they weren’t taking huge chunks like in 1967.

Hey they stole than land fair and square! How dare Obama suggest they give it back?

Falafels for everybody!

Lol it doesn’t matter if Obama softened his tune today you guys will now go after him for not standing up for his original comments and hammer him on that.

mediadoubt said:
Netanyahu is a supplicant for American largesse, not a teacher. We got deficits? I can think of one place to save a billion or two.

OK we’ve got it, you hate the Jews even more than you hate white women . Enough already.

Hey, I’m pleased any time a white Euro-trash socialist media hack like Mitchell is incensed. She was stuffing her face with caviar when Obamo got elected, and now she’s livid. Tough nuggets, lady.

Well a the good thing about all of this is at least you guys dont care about Common anymore. This will last about a week and then you will all be upset about Obama killing another major terrorist who is wanted.

Jonathan Evans said:
First of all let me make it clear I am not an anti-Semite. But ..

Kind of sounds like, hey, I’m not a racist, I had a black friend once. Listen homes, when you feel the need to preface your comment with a disclaimer like that, you’re trying to convince yourself of that more than anything else. You suck.

mediadoubt said:
Netanyahu is a supplicant for American largesse, not a teacher. We got deficits? I can think of one place to save a billion or two.

The US gives the money and Israel takes the money because it binds the two nations together… and because Jimmy Carter needed to offer a sufficient bribe to Anwar Sadat to get the Camp David Agreement. He could not give to one signatory without giving to the other.

These bribes have long since served their purpose, and I am sure Israel can get along just fine without them. The bribes, or whatever you want to call them, serve to give the US a bit of leverage over both Israel and Egypt. I suspect the State Department clings to this leverage, even if President Obama throws away the leverage over Israel with his ill-chosen words.

mediadoubt said:
I like Sci-Fi too, but I don’t pretend it’s real. Get a grip.

Nothing science fiction about it.
Just straight up fact.

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and tiredofbs we bring up Bush because he said the exact same things. You guys seem to forget that and act like Obama is the anti-christ. American policy on the two state solution has been about the same for the last 30 years. So don’t go all wingnut on us and act as if Obama is coming up with this stuff out of the blue. Thats why we bring up other administrations.

When 9/11 happened, just a few short months after 8 years of Clin ton,
I can still see/hear the words of morally bankrupt Left wingers,
that it was” ALL BUSH’S FAULT” on Bush’s watch & Clinton had nothing to do with it.
WE ALL KNOW BETTER>..
Hypocrisy to the max, to still blame Bush & bring up GWBush for a crock full of crap Obama
claimed he was going to magically repair (all that ails the world)The reputation of USA End
all Wars, the unemployment, economy, end the divisions etc.
with his magic wand, during the 2008 campaign.

Suddenly every move the left makes is measured by “Bush Did It Too”

ChrisNH said:
Hey, I’m pleased any time a white Euro-trash socialist media hack like Mitchell is incensed. She was stuffing her face with caviar when Obamo got elected, and now she’s livid. Tough nuggets, lady.

yep, yep & definitely yep!

Lol I didn’t blame Bush for 9/11 but he has to accept part of the blame. Heres one for ya Mr. Bush didn’t fire the CIA chief after 9/11 he gave him a medal. I never said bush did everything wrong just most things. I wouldn’t criticize him for kissing and holding the hand of a prince in saudia arabia. But when Obama bows ohhhh you guys go ballistic for months and years. Bushs speech on the two state solution back in 2007 was no different than Obamas today and I didn’t jump all over bush for giving it.

illusive man said:
Nothing science fiction about it.
Just straight up fact.

Organic robots? Programmed collectivists? (waves finger in circular motion at side of head) Riiiight!

So now that Obama has performed political jiu-jitsu by winning over AIPAC in a masterful pivot (leaving Netanyahu grasping at Obama’s rapidly disappearing coattails), where does that leave the “everything Obama does is wrong” crowd?

Making tea kettle noises would be my guess.

LOL

That’s it, you Obama shill,Andrea Mitchell, say what you really want to say: “Benjamin Netanyahu is a racist!”

Ben bitch-slapped Barry and Barry knew it and just sat there with his dumb-ass “RCA Dog” cocked head, listening like a dumbfounded school boy.

Color Me Badd said:
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You set a new record for down thumbs, son.

Congrats!

Barack Must Go said:
Falafels for everybody!

Did you get yours from Bill O’Reilly? Tee Hee.

notsofast said:
You set a new record for down thumbs, son.

Congrats!

Awesome I don’t even pay attention to that childish shit that is your job, but still that is cool!

notsofast said:
LOL

That’s it, you Obama shill,Andrea Mitchell, say what you really want to say: “Benjamin Netanyahu is a racist!”

Ben bitch-slapped Barry and Barry knew it and just sat there with his dumb-ass “RCA Dog” cocked head, listening like a dumbfounded school boy.

Good to know you support the leader of a foreign country over our very own President. #traitorLoveItOrLeaveIt

ChrisNH said:
Hey, I’m pleased any time a white Euro-trash socialist media hack like Mitchell is incensed. She was stuffing her face with caviar when Obamo got elected, and now she’s livid. Tough nuggets, lady.

You think Mrs. Alan Greenspan is a socialist? Tee Hee to infinity!!!!

mediadoubt said:
So now that Obama has performed political jiu-jitsu by winning over AIPAC in a masterful pivot (leaving Netanyahu grasping at Obama’s rapidly disappearing coattails), where does that leave the “everything Obama does is wrong” crowd?

Making tea kettle noises would be my guess.

Simple, very few people believe Obama. Duh.

Color Me Badd said:
Agreed, I want to tell the writer of this ridiculous piece that anyone who thinks that the U.S. is a foreign country to Israel is surely joking. That is a good one.

what foreign country?

Color Me Badd said:
Good to know you support the leader of a foreign country over our very own President. #traitorLoveItOrLeaveIt

huh? lol

cjd ohio 1 said:
what foreign country?

sarainitaly said:
Yea, the Nation they enjoyed for about one day, before they were attacked by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq.

i’m talking about the 1967 six-day military action when israel obtained the new territories – the ones obama said should be given back.

“just how wise you think it is for Bibi Netanyahu to “lecture” his nation’s bankroll and protector?” – Was it wise for Obama to lecture China on human rights issues?

I don’t think the US can afford to not be friends with Israel…. And it sure sounds like he softened his tune, and reinforced his *friendship* with Israel today, so it sounds like Bibi’s lecture worked.

I doubt that it “worked.” Obama is a Modern Liberal/Progressive and he can’t like Israel. Since Israel is successful, he has to treat it as a villain and, likewise, the Palestinians are the victims of Israel’s success.

Obama treats Israel like these types of liberals deal with all villains – tear them down.

It’s genetic or maybe a mental disorder. …just like how these liberals find the hopelessness, despair and death that their ideas create and foster in the inner cities are ACCEPTABLE:. If Israel goes down, then it’s just another acceptable side effect to them.

Color Me Badd said:
Agreed, I want to tell the writer of this ridiculous piece that anyone who thinks that the U.S. is a foreign country to Israel is surely joking. That is a good one.

I was being a bit facetious in order to make a larger point, we give on average 3 billion a year to Israel and now Bibi is asking for a 20 billion advance, sounds like the 51st state to me. But to a larger issue, since obviously Israel is a foreign country, how do you feel about the leader of a foreign country trying to muscle your President in public? You like that? Are you a traitor? Do you hate America?

How did you feel when Hugo Chavez embarrassed President Bush at the UN. I can tell you I didn’t like it and I was obviously not a fan of GWB.

If Obama needs to be condemned it should be by the American people not the leader of a foreign country. Think about it.

notsofast said:
Ben bitch-slapped Barry and Barry knew it and just sat there with his dumb-ass “RCA Dog” cocked head, listening like a dumbfounded school boy.

I wish that was the case.. Barry may appear as repented for purely Political
reasonsin the Media but behind the scenes another violent enemy country surrounding Israel
is preparing for yet another one of those “Democratic ( IslamoMarxist) Revolutions”

Color Me Badd said:
I was being a bit facetious in order to make a larger point, we give on average 3 billion a year to Israel and now Bibi is asking for a 20 billion advance, sounds like the 51st state to me. But to a larger issue, since obviously Israel is a foreign country, how do you feel about the leader of a foreign country trying to muscle your President in public? You like that? Are you a traitor? Do you hate America? How did you feel when Hugo Chavez embarrassed President Bush at the UN. I can tell you I didn’t like it and I was obviously not a fan of GWB. If Obama needs to be condemned it should be by the American people not the leader of a foreign country. Think about it.

well when our leaders in american stick their noses in others business, shit happens, we can’t dictate terms to israel or chavez,

Okay, que the chant…”Jews are racist”. Which lib/prog will it be…just one or all of them?

Color Me Badd said:
Good to know you support the leader of a foreign country over our very own President. #traitorLoveItOrLeaveIt

I support leaders not Socialists son.

Andrea Mitchell is a bimbo for even thinking of making a comment like that.

Get Mitchell, MadCow, Couric, Matthews, Schultz, Cink Yogurt and all the other Leftist media hacks together and you could fill an Olympic swimming pool with their tears right now. Nothing is going well for them. To that, I say, ‘Tee-Hee!

“it also be “really rude” if a foreign country demanded that we give our land to our sworn enemies so that our new neighbors can then use such land to make their desired goal of our total annihilation possible and much easier?”

OMG!!!!!!! I agree with someone on the Mediaite staff. Normally Mediaite is in lockstep with MSNBC, what happened?

I respect some of the comments here. It’s great to voice opinions about the people who have been fighting each other since Bible days. Isaac’s family and Ismael’s family. It’s stupid. Because God is not going to let them rest until they get it together. No matter the amount of intervening the U.S. does, it’s not going to work.

Natenyahu needs to get it together. The Jews are the people sitting right in the midst of Muslim countries. I don’t like the fact that the Jews keep taking more and more land. Greed. God doesn’t like greed.

And those of you who jokingly chime in on this crazy conversation should read the history of these people. Know the truth. You’d be suprised what you might find.
Yeah, the president sat stone-faced. I’m glad he did. He did the best thing. Let Natenyahu teach you Brother -like you are a school boy. But…whose going to get the last laugh. And why in the heck does another country need the United States to step in to tell them WHAT AND HOW TO NEGOTIATE. Whose the real schoolboy???

To all you Obama haters. Guess what, those same Muslims not only want to destroy Israel but they want to destroy the United States. Laugh about that. They hate White America.

BTW, what has past presidents done to secure peace between Israel and palestine??? Hmmmm!

notsofast said:
I support leaders not Socialists son.

Yes, but WHOSE son is he? That’s one sorry set of parents.

You guys are something else I love it:)

Once again Moderate why do you keep saying its their land? Who says its their land what are you talking about?

mediadoubt said:
So now that Obama has performed political jiu-jitsu by winning over AIPAC in a masterful pivot (leaving Netanyahu grasping at Obama’s rapidly disappearing coattails), where does that leave the “everything Obama does is wrong” crowd?

Making tea kettle noises would be my guess.

Obama didn’t win jack ____ today.

Clapping because he says what he thinks ( knows ) they want to hear today changes nothing.

He’s still a muslim that hates America, white people, Israel and Jews today, as he will tomorrow, only today he told lies for the sole purpose of attempting to keep his sorry ___ from political extinction.

Tomorrow is another day another group he must lie to. In the end ( 18 months ) he’s done, gone, kicked back to the proverbial curb where he should have stayed in the first place.

Barack Must Go said:
Obama didn’t win jack ____ today.

Clapping because he says what he thinks ( knows ) they want to hear today changes nothing.

He’s still a muslim that hates America, white people, Israel and Jews today, as he will tomorrow, only today he told lies for the sole purpose of attempting to keep his sorry ___ from political extinction.

Tomorrow is another day another group he must lie to. In the end ( 18 months ) he’s done, gone, kicked back to the proverbial curb where he should have stayed in the first place.

Toot! Toot! Toot!

I must be psychic.

msblkwidow said:
Natenyahu needs to get it together. The Jews are the people sitting right in the midst of Muslim countries. I don’t like the fact that the Jews keep taking more and more land. Greed. God doesn’t like greed.

msblkwidow said:
And those of you who jokingly chime in on this crazy conversation should read the history of these people. Know the truth. You’d be suprised what you might find

msblkwidow said:
But…whose going to get the last laugh. A

msblkwidow said:
same Muslims not only want to destroy Israel but they want to destroy the United States. Laugh about that. They hate White America.

A whole lot of bs on the History part,, veiled threats & expand on “Muslims hate WHITE America” ???
As I posted previously i understand those threats, many of us do take them seriously.
That’s why I STAND W/ ISRAEL>!

Some interesting reading : http://visionviewpoint.com/?p=127
March 29, 2011
The Challenge of Islam in America Part III

Alz said:
Simple, very few people believe Obama. Duh.

Don’t you find the echoes in that paper bag you call your world a bit distracting?

I stand with israel as well and I want them to use my tax dollars wisely.

See msblkwidow these wingnuts on this board don’t care what past presidents have done to help with peace in the middle east or to solve the israel-palestine problem. All they care about is what Obama says then they take those words twist them into something they don’t like and begin to comment on them. Most of them i swear are insane with hatred and contempt.

After reading through all these post I have come to this conclusion. You people on the right believe that the land Israel currently occupies is theirs, and they should not have to give it back. In some cases it appears that you wish they would take more. Us on the left think what was given to Israel by the UN is theirs and that some type of negotiation should happen in order for a two state solution to occur. Would those on both side agree with this?

I thought Obama’s foreign policy was based on the philosophy that America is not exceptional, that we are just one country among many. So why is Andrea so upset that Netanyahu is treating Obama like an equal instead of his superior?

It’s a rhetorical question, of course, because the only correct answer is “Andrea Mitchell is a half-senile idiot.”

insideguy said:
See msblkwidow these wingnuts on this board don’t care what past presidents have done to help with peace in the middle east or to solve the israel-palestine problem.

I cannot speak for everyone–only myself–and in my time I have observed BILLIONS of our tax dollars paid as bribes to broker peace deals, NONE of which has proven fruitful.

When Israel took the Golan Heights, one would have thought they’d captured the Garden of Eden to hear the Muslims tell the story. However, if one examines the geography there, one sees nothing buy a dry, rocky precipice that looks down on an eight-mile-wide strip of land that was an original part of Israel. The ONLY advantage of controlling the Golan Heights is that it provides a strategic location from which Hammas could shell the Jews–AND THIS THEY DID, TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. Finally, the Israelis said “enough” and they captured and held the Golan Heights.

What -0bama has proposed is that Israel give up the Golan Heights, which would again allow the Muslims to come in and murder more Jews. From purely a practical standpoint, it would be beyond stupid for Israel to allow that to happen, and this is why Netanyahu tried to set him straight, giving -0bama the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know what he was asking of Israel. I seriously doubt that you or I would have been so diplomatic about it but Netanyahu was at least polite as he told -0bama he was full of crap.

I’m not a Jew but on this I stand with Israel.

I mean do you agree or not just don’t give a thumbs down what do you on the right wish to occur?

Netanyahu had better be polite we bankroll his country! The golan heights is a tiny area of land it may be something that can be negotiated but I sense that there is a large portion on the right that doesn’t want to negotiate anything. If you start from nothing, then nothing can happen.

As for -0bama’s statement that “Israel’s security will remain paramount,” one must ask how -0bama intends to ensure that it is. Does he mean that the US will station troops in the Golan Heights to guard Israel? How much would that cost US taxpayers? Israel is perfectly willing and capable of protecting themselves if morons like -0bama will get out of their way and let them do it.

Rescuedog said:
I thought Obama’s foreign policy was based on the philosophy that America is not exceptional, that we are just one country among many. So why is Andrea so upset that Netanyahu is treating Obama like an equal instead of his superior? It’s a rhetorical question, of course, because the only correct answer is “Andrea Mitchell is a half-senile idiot.”

She acts like a mama grizzley when anyone threatens he Obambi. Seriously, I think the woman would kill for Chicago Jesus.

Im still not sure what those on the right wish to happen. When you guys say I stand with Israel what does that mean. Does that mean I stand with Israel right or wrong. You guys tend to simplify things a lot. What do you propose?

LOL

I don’t think you can answer because most of you don’t know. Or what you really wish is that Israel would take back their biblical lands by force.

insideguy said:
Netanyahu had better be polite we bankroll his country! The golan heights is a tiny area of land it may be something that can be negotiated but I sense that there is a large portion on the right that doesn’t want to negotiate anything. If you start from nothing, then nothing can happen.

You mention our bankrolling Israel, but we’re bankrolling everyone else in the Middle East, too. Frankly, I’m tired of it and intuit that you are as well. In case you didn’t notice, -0bama just shipped 500 metric tons (2,200 pounds per metric ton) of wheat as a gift (bribe) to Jordan. Now, please consider that two million acres of Texas wheat land has burned while dear leader refused to provide Federal assistance. (In the interim, -0bama provided 1.2 million to Mexico, to assist them with a brush fire there that was burning nothing but agava and cholla.) That move alone gurarantees the bread you buy this fall will skyrocket in price!

But, to make matters even worse, you’ve probably also heard that the Mississippi River has flooded, and this year’s corn, soybean, and cotton crops are now 35′ under water! Do you really think the US can afford for -0bama to give our food away?

The Golan Heights, is a narrow plateau on Israel’s northeastern border which Israel gained from Syria in the 1967 Six-Day War. Israel annexed the territory in 1981. Before 1967, Syria used the strategic advantage of the Heights to attack low-lying Israeli towns and villages in the Galilee, as well as to divert water flowing into Israel’s main water sources.
Syria declared war on the nascent Jewish state in May 1948, and fought against Israel in the War of Independence. Between 1948 and 1967, Syria used the Golan Heights as a springboard for attacking farmers and fisherman in northern Israel. The Syrians repeatedly shelled Israeli towns below the Heights, and sniper fire was a constant danger. As a result of these actions, 140 Israelis were killed and many more were injured. During this period, Syria also interfered with fishing and other Israeli water projects in Lake Kinneret. Syria repeatedly threatened to contaminate the water if Israel attempted to pump water from the Kinneret without Syrian permission and also sought to divert Banias, one of the Jordan River water sources.

insideguy said:
Im still not sure what those on the right wish to happen. When you guys say I stand with Israel what does that mean. Does that mean I stand with Israel right or wrong. You guys tend to simplify things a lot. What do you propose?

I stand with Israel because they are on the right side of things. Do you want me to write you a book?

Hell x-3 I cant argue with that. Your right we give money to all these clowns, and food. Which is so weird considering we are so in debt i have never understood it. We give food to north korea! to prevent them from getting upset and attacking south korea! Is this insane yea i think it is. My point being if we aid these people then we have a right to tell them what we think they should do. They shouldn’t get all upset when this president or that president makes a suggestion on what he or she thinks should happen. If they don’t want our presidents opinion then don’t take out money.

Ok x3 you stand with Israel because they are on the right side of things great. But are you saying that you wish things to remain the same, or do you wish some sort of movement towards some type of solution, and if so what is the solution?

insideguy said:
Im still not sure what those on the right wish to happen. When you guys say I stand with Israel what does that mean.

You ask a lot of stupid questions.
Deflection?
After 5 pages of posts explaining our positions & reasons
how can u ask such nonsense? Go back & read…

I’m not a Jew btw;Greek American.No religious love lost
between Greeks & Jews.
But I know right from wrong & I Stand w/Israel, enough is enough.

Andrea Mitchell is a buffoon and I don’t know why she is ever relevent?

insideguy said:
Ok x3 you stand with Israel because they are on the right side of things great. But are you saying that you wish things to remain the same, or do you wish some sort of movement towards some type of solution, and if so what is the solution?

Hell! The Muslims have been trying to destroy the infidel Jews for 1500 years now, I think they will all die trying. Nothing we can do to stop it.

thats not really enough by saying I stand with Israel that not say much really

All i have read is I stand with Israel. Great. SO no matter what they do you stand with them?

I have seen small Jordanian children screaming they want to kill the infidels. If we could stop the radical Muslim elders from poisoning the minds of children, maybe they could eventually learn to live together.

The biggest problem in the Middle East is that the Muslim religion runs the schools.

Maybe i cant argue with that.

insideguy said:
After reading through all these post I have come to this conclusion. You people on the right believe that the land Israel currently occupies is theirs, and they should not have to give it back. In some cases it appears that you wish they would take more. Us on the left think what was given to Israel by the UN is theirs and that some type of negotiation should happen in order for a two state solution to occur.

What do you think about the Sudetan Germans? Do you think it was right for England and France to force Czechoslovakia to give land to Germany in 1938, which Czechoslovakia had gained as the result of WWI?

The two situations are comparable, and so are Neville Chamberlain and Barack Obama. Chamberlain was an appeaser and so is Obama.

I am concerned that after Obama’s epic smack down by a Jew that he will do somethng both crazy and similar to his invasion of Lybia and Pakistan.  

Oh we could debate about that all night and day J Baustian. The europeans have their own deals going down. Heck after WW2 the Polish took Prussia away away from the germans. You would probably get a lot of debates on that. Elsac has been owned by Germany and France multiple times. Looks like France has it for now. See the difference is that the UN has said Prussia belongs to Poland and Elsac Belongs to France. No country in the world says that the westbank belongs to Israel.

He needs to be treated like a schoolboy because he ACTS like a petulant schoolboy!

He didn’t invade Libya Dem4ever its a Nato operation just like serbia and bosnia was. And we succeeded in those operations.

Also J Baustian Obama hasn’t given any land back to anyone. He has suggested a possible solution to a problem that has been going on for 60 years. He has a right to suggest this since we have given Israel 130 billion dollars and more is on the way. Israel knows that a two state solution is the only way, they just disagree on how to get there.

insideguy said:
He didn’t invade Libya Dem4ever its a Nato operation just like serbia and bosnia was. And we succeeded in those operations.

Right so everyone get that? There called NATO operations when Obama goes to war. Please pass along the talking point/ message.

insideguy said:
If they don’t want our presidents opinion then don’t take out money.

On this much we agree.

insideguy said:
He didn’t invade Libya Dem4ever its a Nato operation just like serbia and bosnia was. And we succeeded in those operations.

Bankrolled by whom?

insideguy said:
All i have read is I stand with Israel. Great. SO no matter what they do you stand with them?

No, I stand with them for so long as they are right, and they are right to want to defend themselves. Consider how many missiles are being fired into Israel per year. Where are those missiles coming from? Many people opine that the Palestenians have a right to “exist,” but they don’t seem to acknowlege what this means–at the non-existence of whom?

The war between the Jews and Muslims has been going on for thousands of years. I happen to believe that since our country was founded on Judaeo-Christian values, and I choose to live by those values, it is right for me to stand with Israel. Your choice is what you make of it–you are free to choose just as I am.

But see I don’t think you guys think a two state solution is the way. I think and correct me if im wrong that you not only want Israel to hold onto to this land that is not theirs. You want them to take more. And why not? Just have them take more then they will have a even more defensible area:)

insideguy said:They are our welfare state we can suggest anything we want.

Let me just get your logic. Since we give Israel money, we can tell them anything we want. I assume you believe this for the poor people on government handouts throughout the United States as well right? We can suggest to them how to live their lives, how to vote, etc. That sound bout right?

Waterloo it is a NATO operation. France and Britain wanted to go into there more than we did. They have a lot more to lose. Go look up who is doing most of the air operations over there? Ha probably why its not over yet.

What a presumption useful idiot Andrea is, how would she know if his confidents told Prime Minister Netanyahu that he had gone too far?

Lectured Obama and treated him like a schoolboy, no not really, more like a patient teacher giving a private lesson to a slow student.

I STAND WITH ISRAEL! Now that is a T-shirt I would wear proudly…

It’s war, call it what you want. Who’s doing the most funding for the “operation”?

mediadoubt said:
Toot! Toot! Toot!

I must be psychic.

Yeah, if you just add the ( ot )

See Waterloo the difference is that Israel is a foreign country. They take our money and have taken boatloads of it over the last 50 years. If they don’t want us in their affairs and want to be independent then don’t take it period. And see here if you don’t like the tax write off the govt gives you for your house, or the low intrrest student loans or welfare for big farm companies or oil companies you can vote them out of office. See thats our govt giving money to our citizens. We are giving money to them another country thereby they should listen to what we have to say.

Not to mention we saved their asses multiple times by literally giving them billions of dollars worth of military equipment. They probably would have lost in 1973 if we wouldn’t have given them an emergency shipment of heavy tanks and warplanes. I think we have a small right on telling them what they should do.

Beats me don’t know if you know who’s doing most of the funding either.

insideguy said:
But see I don’t think you guys think a two state solution is the way. I think and correct me if im wrong that you not only want Israel to hold onto to this land that is not theirs. You want them to take more. And why not? Just have them take more then they will have a even more defensible area:)

It is a 2 state solution and what makes you think it’s not their land?

insideguy said:
See Waterloo the difference is that Israel is a foreign country. They take our money and have taken boatloads of it over the last 50 years. If they don’t want us in their affairs and want to be independent then don’t take it period. And see here if you don’t like the tax write off the govt gives you for your house, or the low intrrest student loans or welfare for big farm companies or oil companies you can vote them out of office. See thats our govt giving money to our citizens. We are giving money to them another country thereby they should listen to what we have to say.

Just because the US gives Israel money doesn’t mean the Jewish people are forfeit the opportunity to show discontent with our POTUS and his knowledge (or lack thereof) of their own country.

And x-3 you seem pretty logical to me. I honestly don’t know what Israel wants. I do know that like the united states their are a lot of opinions over there and its not all one side or the other. I think most of them just want to live in peace. Now how do you get there? Thats the million dollar question. Many presidents have tried, many have failed. I think Moderate made a good point. A starting point would probably be for the moderate arab countries(and that changes from day to day) to stop teaching their kids stupid crap. But im not convinced that that will ever happen as long as Israel holds on to this land. Im sure there is always going to be crazy people over there who want to destroy Israel no matter what. I just get annoyed that when Obama says something and this is just one example the right jumps all over him like he’s the devil. Bush proposed a two state solution in 2007, matter of fact correct me if im wrong he was the first US president to ever do this. I didn’t call him an appeaser or the anti-christ or a muslim lover because he suggested this, and neither did the right, so lets be consistent thats all I ask.

You sound as if you want the Jewish people’s voices silenced because we give them foreign aid. Am I getting that right? I know another person who wanted the Jewish voice silenced. You take a guess who that was?

I guess thats the point waterloo because its not THEIR land! It wasn’t what the UN gave them in 1946. They took it by force and no one in the world says its their land. Don’t you get that? Im not saying that they shouldn’t have taken it im saying that they should move towards giving it back. Its not part of Israel and no one says that it is. That land is the only viable option for some sort of two state solution.

What are you talking about JasonMays you are an embarrassment to your side. Whatever side that is.

Ohh boy waterloo there ya go. I didn’t say they had to be silenced, Im saying they might wanna listen since we bankroll them. They can make up their own minds and put in whatever leader they want. If they don’t like what our president has to say(and judging from the applause today a lot of them did) then they have the right to their opinion. I dont have to like it just like you don’t like when Obama says I like kittens, or anything else that comes out of his mouth. I could accuse you of being racist because of that but i wouldn’t stoop that low.

insideguy said:
I just get annoyed that when Obama says something and this is just one example the right jumps all over him like he’s the devil. Bush proposed a two state solution in 2007, matter of fact correct me if im wrong he was the first US president to ever do this. I didn’t call him an appeaser or the anti-christ or a muslim lover because he suggested this, and neither did the right, so lets be consistent thats all I ask.

You’re kidding yourself if you think this POTUS is treated unfairly. This POTUS is treated with kid gloves from every media personality in the world. You want sympathy for this POTUS because someone disagrees with his foreign policy? Sorry, I’m gonna have to politely ask you to take a walk.

I don’t want sympathy Waterloo I want consistency. And if and whey a republican gets into office and suggests another two state solution I expect you guys to jump all over him the same way you jump all over Obama.

insideguy said:
I guess thats the point waterloo because its not THEIR land! It wasn’t what the UN gave them in 1946. They took it by force and no one in the world says its their land. Don’t you get that? Im not saying that they shouldn’t have taken it im saying that they should move towards giving it back. Its not part of Israel and no one says that it is. That land is the only viable option for some sort of two state solution.

It most certainly is too their land, I suggest you and Helen Thomas get some history lessons and might I suggest avoiding Hitler propaganda.

Why is it their land Waterloo? Who says its their land? And cut the racist crap dude. Please explain why it is their land?

insideguy said:
I don’t want sympathy Waterloo I want consistency. And if and whey a republican gets into office and suggests another two state solution I expect you guys to jump all over him the same way you jump all over Obama.

You want consistency? Sure you do. Yea, yea, blah, blah, blah. I’ll believe that when I hear you begging for all the anti-war movement to come back. Remember that one movement who has mysteriously disappeared since Barry took office. You mean that kinda consistency? You want congress to actually vote and approve of the war? You want the mainstream media (like CBS) to create fictional “hit pieces” on the POTUS? You want calls for transparency? The removal of lobbiest? Not sure I’m hearing all these calls for your alleged “consistency”.

insideguy said:
Why is it their land Waterloo? Who says its their land? And cut the racist crap dude. Please explain why it is their land?

I would, but I’m afraid I don’t give history lessons. Pick up a bible, you and Helen Thomas might learn something.

Still haven’t explained to me why its their land but ok ill answer your consistency accusations. Number #1 you make the assumption that all the left was antiwar. Untrue. I wasn’t anti bush during the Iraq war but after he bungled the whole thing I said this guys an idiot. Now maybe just maybe it will all turn out all right and the lives of those 5000 men will be justified. I don’t want congress to vote to approve war. I didn’t bitch when President Regan went into Grenada without the approval of congress, or when he went into lebanon without the approval of congress, or when he bombed Libya the first time without the approval of congress, of when the first bush went into panama without the approval of congress,or when he went into Somalia without the approval of congress. I understand that some times things cant wait for them to dick around and make up their partisan minds. Not sure about the mainstream media hit piece deal fill me in on that one ill make up my mind on that. If Obama said he was gonna remove lobbyist and that hasn’t happened then by all means thats a lack of consistency by him. I could make the assumption that the whole right wing wants to get rid of evolution in our schools and think the earth is 6000 years old but I don’t do that. Obama hasn’t been consistent on a lot of things not a surprise to me, and the far left are upset by that(Gitmo, the patriot act) and various other things. My point is that you guys can go after Obama for legitimate reasons but you go after him for every reason!.

Because he is a schoolboy Andrea,of course you would say this you are so ant Israel because we know your heritage is lebenese or one of those ethnics, please nothing against it, but those are facts, I loved it that finally someone let pram have back in his face, he did need to learn the facts, he looked like such a fool, lol!

Oh, so now the United States is just “another foreign country?”

Fine. Then so is Israel.

Pick up a bible? you mean the same old testament that claimed that Noah put all the animals in an ark, and a guy was in a whale? That is not a historical document. But it does clear it up. So you base historical Israel on what the old testament says. Well under that logic, a lot of countries need to adjust their geography. Thanks for making it clear to me, I had a feeling thats what the right wanted, just couldn’t get it out of any of them.

scristanti says:
“Because he is a schoolboy Andrea,of course you would say this you are so ant Israel because we know your heritage is lebenese or one of those ethnics, please nothing against it, but those are facts, I loved it that finally someone let pram have back in his face, he did need to learn the facts, he looked like such a fool, lol!”
——————————–

Er, Andrea Mitchell is married to Jewish-American former FED chairman Alan Greenspan.

MadamDeb dont confuse them with facts.

I think I just caused Waterloo to have his Jack Nicolson moment in a few good men.

insideguy said:
Pick up a bible? you mean the same old testament that claimed that Noah put all the animals in an ark, and a guy was in a whale? That is not a historical document. But it does clear it up. So you base historical Israel on what the old testament says. Well under that logic, a lot of countries need to adjust their geography. Thanks for making it clear to me, I had a feeling thats what the right wanted, just couldn’t get it out of any of them.

Yea, I know silly right? I’m referring to that inconsequential thing that has withstood the times of generations called the old testament. And what are using for reference that negates my assertion that it is the Israel’s land?

Im using what the UN GAVE them in 1946. Its the only legitimate way to decide what their borders are. Not some fictional story about two naked humans and a snake or a burning bush, or the ten commandments.

insideguy said:
I think I just caused Waterloo to have his Jack Nicolson moment in a few good men.

Haha, I see we like to flatter our self. Here’s some advise, don’t tell the rest of the ObamaBots you “think” just stay on the talking points message.

Come on Waterloo tell me what countries even exist from the old testament ummmmmmmm none? None of the lands in that area were countries in any sense. You cannot possibly base geography and what should or shouldn’t be a country or their lands based on the Bible that is insane.

Its ok Waterloo I got what i wanted out of you. You are a fundamentalist who believes that Israel should have all the lands that were quoted to it in the Bible. Now go find one legitimate leader left right or center who would say that give me one, and good luck finding that one.

insideguy said:
Come on Waterloo tell me what countries even exist from the old testament ummmmmmmm none? None of the lands in that area were countries in any sense. You cannot possibly base geography and what should or shouldn’t be a country or their lands based on the Bible that is insane.

Why do you suppose the UN gave them this area of land? You might consider it insane but obviously those who have been fighting for this land for centuries would probably tell you otherwise.

insideguy said:
Its ok Waterloo I got what i wanted out of you. You are a fundamentalist who believes that Israel should have all the lands that were quoted to it in the Bible. Now go find one legitimate leader left right or center who would say that give me one, and good luck finding that one.

YOU’RE an idiot!!! Every US president has backed Israel and their basis is this very notion. That’s why we support them and they us. You musy be kidding right?

I said I wasn’t going to give a history lesson but damn son, you really need one

I thought Andrea had already retired. What the hell happened? She and Chris Matthews are what, 75 years old or something like that. Chris actually looks closer to 80 and has an IQ of the same number.

Like it or not, we are a christian nation therefore we support Israel. It appears you’re an aetheist and don’t like these facts but they are exactly that, FACTS. Get over it!!! Oh and pick up a Bible, it might help you further understand these disputes and spiritually enlighten you.

What are you talking about Waterloo what president has said the westbank is Israel’s? What the hell are you talking about go look up biblical Israel go freaking look it up you have no idea what your are talking about. Not one president EVER has said the westbank is Israel’s land. Even the Bible isn’t clear on what that is. There are a million interpretations on what was biblical Israel and what wasn’t. Again find me one president who ever said the west bank is Israels land.

There ya go buddy when you are losing bring up the Bible typical right wing nutcase.

The UN gave them what they could in this modern day. It was their homeland and after they were wiped out in anti semetic europe. What they gave them is not what they have, and its obviously not what you wish them to have. You want them to have more. There fore you support them invading parts of other countries in order to take what you feel the Bible has said was theirs. That is fundamentalist and is dangerous. And you freaking know it.

goon said:
Andrea Mitchell is a buffoon and I don’t know why she is ever relevent?

MSNBC needs to bludgeon us with another one of their ‘Bar Scene’ commercial videos here on Mediaite featuring Mitchell in a bar. I’d stick around to watch that Reality Show.

insideguy said:
Lol it doesn’t matter if Obama softened his tune today you guys will now go after him for not standing up for his original comments and hammer him on that.

Didn’t eight years of Bashing George Bush using the same tactics teach you ANYTHING? Geez…you leftist limp-wrists are incensed beyond belief that your recipe is being used against Your Guy. Not only is Obamo thin-skinned; so are his breast-feeding followers.

insideguy said:
Still haven’t explained to me why its their land but ok ill answer your consistency accusations. Number #1 you make the assumption that all the left was antiwar. Untrue. I wasn’t anti bush during the Iraq war but after he bungled the whole thing I said this guys an idiot. Now maybe just maybe it will all turn out all right and the lives of those 5000 men will be justified. I don’t want congress to vote to approve war. I didn’t bitch when President Regan went into Grenada without the approval of congress, or when he went into lebanon without the approval of congress, or when he bombed Libya the first time without the approval of congress, of when the first bush went into panama without the approval of congress,or when he went into Somalia without the approval of congress. I understand that some times things cant wait for them to dick around and make up their partisan minds. Not sure about the mainstream media hit piece deal fill me in on that one ill make up my mind on that. If Obama said he was gonna remove lobbyist and that hasn’t happened then by all means thats a lack of consistency by him. I could make the assumption that the whole right wing wants to get rid of evolution in our schools and think the earth is 6000 years old but I don’t do that. Obama hasn’t been consistent on a lot of things not a surprise to me, and the far left are upset by that(Gitmo, the patriot act) and various other things. My point is that you guys can go after Obama for legitimate reasons but you go after him for every reason!.

So basically you are a liberal sheep. If ” your ” guys go along with something ( war etc. ) you’re all in. When things don’t go exactly as your guys think they ought to, more importantly if an election is looming, like them you’re against it.

Nothing to see here…..move along.

insideguy said:
Im using what the UN GAVE them in 1946. Its the only legitimate way to decide what their borders are. Not some fictional story about two naked humans and a snake or a burning bush, or the ten commandments.

If ror liberal douchebag arguement sake there is NO GOD. How does a non – believing genius such as youself explain Israel still not only existing, but flourishing in the middle of the Middle East?

Some things just cannot be explained through simple or otherwise math or science.

No matter how hard Barack Obama bullshits his faithful ( you ) into trying.

Keep knocking yourself out protectng the hater though hater. You two just like all the other lost in the wilderness libs were made for one another.

These white pseudo-liberals, all of whom were bred in the school of political correctness, never cease to amaze me. This very notion of theirs, that a black president isn’t capable of receiving critcism, only shows that these coddling pseudo-liberals, view Obama as not being on the same level as a white president. Mitchell should express her comments, based on the content of Obama’s policies, and not his skin color. Their white condescension is dripping all over the place. LOL.

Well good for you Matt in pointing out that it would be “really rude” if a foreign country asked us to change our borders. What a damn joke, and typical liberal tactic, to act concerned about “rudeness” when the real issue was your president being on the wrong side of an issue.

Not that she wanted to be, but Andrea was right. And deservingly so. BO is a joke that over stepped his business and Netenyahu had the right to treat him like a school boy. I hope BO felt like McCain when he unnecessarily talked down to him with his moronic “We’re not campaigning anymore, I won the election.”

Instead of the 1967 borders, how about the 1976 borders? Doesn’t that make more sense. The prime-minster was rude to Obimbo?! Is this idiot woman serious? Obimbo the “Muslim butt kisser” suggests Israel open itself up for further terror attacks, and this idiot woman thinks Mr.Netanyahu is being rude?! I’m surprised Mr.Netanyahu didn’t tell Obimbo the “idiot” where to put it!!

And Obama deserved to be treated like an errant schoolboy on this issue. After all, he was simply repeating Hillary’s long held view that Israel should give everything up to her beloved Palestinians. Remember, she is the one that admired the murderer Arafat.

WCinWI said:
Mike Murphy said that Obama probably lost 75,000 votes to Rs in FL based on this alone.

Probably not. Given the flat out rape of South Florida by that idiot Rick Scott and the Legislature this year, I think, if anything, the GOP lost votes down here – and this is where the “Jewish vote” is concentrated. And before anyone tries to defend Scott, look at what he and his partners in crime did.

They shifted a lot of stuff out of South Florida to their pals in the Northern part of the state – like film and TV production money. Only South Florida prisons are being privatized and the bulk of the state jobs eliminated in the budget are in South Florida. Not to mention allowing property insurance rates to go up almost unchecked – which invariably will hit down here much harder than the rest of the state. So, Scott’s actions will tend to have the effect of strengthening the Democrat/Jewish vote down here no matter what Obama does.

Also do not forget that a lot of the Jewish population in Florida is on Medicare and right now, the GOP is seen as taking that away – facts notwithstanding. The GOP medicare plan will end up having the same public opinion effect that the Obama health care plan did – and not in a good way.

For the record, I am No Party Affiliation and equally dislike both parties. I think the Dems and GOP are the real problem America faces. The endless gaming and nonsense only hurts everyone else.

Now why go out of your way to disrespect schoolboys?

Andrea Mitchell is such an unbiased “reporter… Oh wait… no she’s not. Never mind.

How was he suppose to have been treated by Netanyahu?

Publius219 said:
Imagine if the President of France did this to a GOP President. We’d be eating freedom fries and severing all diplomatic ties. Few things are more upsetting than all of these Israel-first “Americans”. They’re traitors, and should be treated as such.

Did what? Demand back the Ohio Valley, the Great Lakes, the Mississippi River and Louisiana? Or how about the President of Spain, should we give them back New Mexico, Arizona and California? Better yet what if England demand the entire east coast based on the border of “America” pre- Revolutionary War days…
Liberal logic- oxyMORON.

Hey Andrew Mitchell, not kissing someone’s ass is not treating him as a schoolboy.

tatboy said:
Andrea Mitchell is such an unbiased “reporter… Oh wait… no she’s not. Never mind.

She is a huge admirer of Helen Thomas. Give Andrea a few mixed drinks and I’ll bet a few anti-Semitic remarks are inadvertently blurted out.

J Baustian said:
She is a huge admirer of Helen Thomas. Give Andrea a few mixed drinks and I’ll bet a few anti-Semitic remarks are inadvertently blurted out.

Actually, that doesn’t make any sense, because her father was one of the leaders in their synagogue. So after a few drinks Andrea is NOT likely to make anti-Semitic remarks. In fact she is probably quite amusing when she’d drunk.

I was wondering what would have happened if someone suggested to Obama we go back to borders we had with Mexico some years back. But then realized this fool would have agreed and gave Texas back to Mexico. Has anyone ever seen an American President that hated America so much??? Just asking Im thinking its time he returned to Kenya if they will let him come home. But I know one thing, Ive had enough of him bashing and bad mouthing America and our friends.

“Actually, that doesn’t make any sense, because her father was one of the leaders in their synagogue. So after a few drinks Andrea is NOT likely to make anti-Semitic remarks. In fact she is probably quite amusing when she’d drunk.”

—Self-hating Jews do exist. George Soros is a good example of this, so is Karl Marx.

http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

Andrea, President Obama is a big boy and I’m pretty sure he can take care of himself.
But as usual you have it all wrong. What Netanyahu did was tell President Obama face to face what he had to say. Unlike Our Leader who went face to face with his teleprompter and not Netanyahu. Netanyahu spoke from his heart and sould while our leader spoke from his Press Secretary written teleprompter speech.

Help me understand that a country has land it got in war it didn’t start, and they should give it back. What are we going to give back to England in a war they didn’t start. There are some people who can’t be happy no matter what you do. Some call the Palestinians some call them all Leftist;;;
HEEHEE,,,,sorry couldnt pass it up…Wears me down just reading some of the junk a few write…SLEEP…

Bibi was the adult in the room.

I know that Matt Schneider is towing Mediaite’s conservative pro Israel meme.

But to attempt to defend the boorish, bullying Netanyahu is beyond the pale.

cyberk9sheriff says:
Help me understand that a country has land it got in war it didn’t start, and they should give it back. What are we going to give back to England in a war they didn’t start. There are some people who can’t be happy no matter what you do.
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Do you have any idea how modern Israel came to be? I think not.

Netanyahu ought to be kissing the ass of the US no matter who is President.,. Israel is a leach that has sucked billions of dollars out of us. I dont say they have no right to exist but they are really a burden to us that gives us very little in return.. But of course the Israeli lobby is is control and the born again Jesus freaks think that the Israelis are gods chosen people and so we must bow down to them or god will destroy us..So we are in a bind..

And how do we know that the Jews are gods chosen people?? Well it says so right in the bible.. written of course by the very same people..
But of course you cant talk this way in public because you will be attacked as anti Semitic even though many Jews disagree with Israeli policy. Just ask Pat Buchannan.. who i dont agree with generally but I do in his critique of the Israeli lobby and its extreme power. Maybe we should move our capital to Tel Aviv

Dumbest remark I have ever seen.. posted by Greg

Self-hating Jews do exist. George Soros is a good example of this, so is Karl Marx.

Do you take lessons in how to be a disgusting idiot or does it come naturally to you? Soros is self hating because he does not agree with the radical hateful conservative movement that threatens America? Idiot!

Bibi told this clown exactly what he should have and if this One is so stupid to think that everyone will bow down before him, he is delusional as well. It was an epic smackdown and needed to be said clearly, so everyone could know for once that this is the deal.

WaterLoo said:
Like it or not, we are a christian nation therefore we support Israel. It appears you’re an aetheist and don’t like these facts but they are exactly that, FACTS. Get over it!!! Oh and pick up a Bible, it might help you further understand these disputes and spiritually enlighten you.

Nonsense. America is a secular republic. Religionists like yourself keep trying to change that, but you need to get over it and over the conceit that your particular fairy stories are superior to anyone else’s fairy stories.

I picked up my bible just the other day. It was just the right size to prop up a wobbly table leg.

insideguy said:
I honestly don’t know what Israel wants.

Inside, I can only tell you what I’ve heard the Jews and Muslims say about what it is they want. I will also tell you that I’ve struggled at trying to read some history and “between the lines” of their respective words. I’ve made a life at assessing (listening to and observing) people, and while I’ve been wrong on occasion, those occasions have been rare, so I hope you’ll allow me some latitude here:

The Muslims ran the Jews out of Palestine nearly 600 years ago and I can understand as to how they would be majorly pissed when, back in 1947, someone told them that a certain tract of land would now be known as “Israel.” I must admit, had I been there at the time, I would have been majorly pissed, as well. BUT, according to the Bible (and, at least for me, this book is the word of God), this land was set aside by God to the Jews as the “Promised Land.” If you’re not a Christain or a Jew, this means less than zero to you, but for those who do ascribe to the Judaeo-Christian religion, it means a great deal.

So, like it or not, Israel was returned as the homeland to the Jews that were scattered across the globe–without a country–back in 1947, and like it or not, the Jews made this land flourish. But, as it has been throughout history, the Jews became the objects of persecution–this time, again, by the Muslims. And that gets us to what I’m seeing and observing:

The Jews have bent over backwards to appease the Muslims by allowing them access to their holy site (The Dome of the Rock), but the Muslims have been unreasonable about allowing the Jews and the Christains access to our holy sites. (Just recently, a family who had intentions of going to one of the Christain sites were killed–by Muslims.) And that is merely but ONE of hundreds of examples of actions indicating that the Muslims have no intention of allowing Jews and Christains access to those sites they deem holy or religiously significant.

Then, there are the actions of the last six decades–murders, rapes, missile attacks, invasions, etc. by the Muslims toward the Christains and the Jews. No one much remembers it any more but in ~1975, two Nuns were gang-raped and tortured to death by some Muslims while on their way to the Mount of Olives, one of those Nuns was a girl I went to school with.

Now, we see video tape and printed statements by the Muslims who boast they intend to kill every Jew on Earth. One must assume they are not joking. If someone threatened you and your family, I am reasonably certain you would react in all seriousness, yet I have NEVER heard any Jew–even the most radical Zionist–say they would like to anihilate every Muslim on Earth.

So, in conclusion, I’m merely looking at who’s being rational and who is not being rational. I believe the Jews want to EXIST and live in the land promised to them by their God. I believe the Muslims when they say they want to destroy the “little Satan” and then the “Great Satan”–which would be the USA. And that is why I stand with Israel.

If it would quieten the Pallestinian Muslims down, I might be willing to give them San Francisco.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePZGWvwvH_0&feature=share

I do know most if not all of that history. Im sure that someone could come on here and make a list of jewish atrocities against palesitnians as well. Heck the jewish people killed every living creature in Jericho, man women and child did they not? Don’t get me wrong but I do find it interesting that we in America and elsewhere in the world think we know what the average Israeli wants or should do of needs. From what I have read there are as many different opinions from Jewish people on what should or should not occur with this two state solution as there is with us. So when people say I stand with israel as a statement, I find that annoying. Who do you stand with in Israel. The left wing or right wing or both. You will say I stand with israel and their right to exist. Thats ok but different groups in Israel have different ideas on how they go about that in the future. Im for Israel as well and wish that they continue to survive and prosper. But I do feel that holding onto land that is not theirs, is like a cancerous boil that will ultimately cause them more trouble than its worth. And many in Israel feel this way as well. Not all for sure but many. Thats why I find it kind of arrogant when we simplify things and just say I stand with Israel. And I know the history so please righties im not trying to justify anything the arabs have done in the last 60 years. Its all very interesting to me though that we can look at our history or our ancestors in europe or actually practically everyone at one time or another hated the jews and tried to wipe them out. We do not feel that way in this country anymore(most of us anyway) . But most of us aren’t that removed from relatives or associates who would have liked to have seen them wiped out, for whatever reason. A large portion of the USA could have cared less about the jews during WW2. But now we know better and its the Arabs who are the bad guys. The germans and not just the nazis, The german people helped almost wipe the jewish people off the face of the earth. Most of europe assisted in this. The russians killed them by the hundreds of thousands as well. And germany was a christian country even during ww2 most germans(not the nazis) were either catholic or protestant. Do we look at germany as an evil jew hating country now? I would say most of us do not. So I choose to think that if the germans and others can change their minds about the jewish people then maybe the Arabs can as well. But as long as israel holds on to these lands, I see no hope for a solution.

insideguy said:
I do know most if not all of that history. Im sure that someone could come on here and make a list of jewish atrocities against palesitnians as well. Heck the jewish people killed every living creature in Jericho, man women and child did they not? Don’t get me wrong but I do find it interesting that we in America and elsewhere in the world think we know what the average Israeli wants or should do of needs. From what I have read there are as many different opinions from Jewish people on what should or should not occur with this two state solution as there is with us. So when people say I stand with israel as a statement, I find that annoying. Who do you stand with in Israel. The left wing or right wing or both. You will say I stand with israel and their right to exist. Thats ok but different groups in Israel have different ideas on how they go about that in the future. Im for Israel as well and wish that they continue to survive and prosper. But I do feel that holding onto land that is not theirs, is like a cancerous boil that will ultimately cause them more trouble than its worth. And many in Israel feel this way as well. Not all for sure but many. Thats why I find it kind of arrogant when we simplify things and just say I stand with Israel. And I know the history so please righties im not trying to justify anything the arabs have done in the last 60 years. Its all very interesting to me though that we can look at our history or our ancestors in europe or actually practically everyone at one time or another hated the jews and tried to wipe them out. We do not feel that way in this country anymore(most of us anyway) . But most of us aren’t that removed from relatives or associates who would have liked to have seen them wiped out, for whatever reason. A large portion of the USA could have cared less about the jews during WW2. But now we know better and its the Arabs who are the bad guys. The germans and not just the nazis, The german people helped almost wipe the jewish people off the face of the earth. Most of europe assisted in this. The russians killed them by the hundreds of thousands as well. And germany was a christian country even during ww2 most germans(not the nazis) were either catholic or protestant. Do we look at germany as an evil jew hating country now? I would say most of us do not. So I choose to think that if the germans and others can change their minds about the jewish people then maybe the Arabs can as well. But as long as israel holds on to these lands, I see no hope for a solution.

And where do you suggest they go, huh? Where in your mind is their “rightful” land?

Hey Waterloo good to see ya again. I meant the west bank if I wasn’t clear. Not the land that was given to them by the UN.

The land that is theirs is the land in which the UN gave them, and possibly yu can make a case for the land taken after the first arab Israel war. But as I have said before not one country in the world says the west bank or golan heights is Israels land.

insideguy said:
The land that is theirs is the land in which the UN gave them, and possibly yu can make a case for the land taken after the first arab Israel war. But as I have said before not one country in the world says the west bank or golan heights is Israels land.

What makes these views superior to Israel’s?

Every unamerican douche that thought that Bibi should have dressed down our President (yeah he is your president too), should get out of our country and go live somewhere else. Love it or leave it assholes.

Why do you say Israel wants the west bank? They don’t want the west bank because they don’t want to inherit a huge influx of muslims. A large portion of Israel wasn’t to keep the west bank under perpetual occupation. This is not good for Israel in the long run in my opinion and many others. We have spoken about this before Waterloo you want Israel to take over all lands that the Bible says belongs to them. I don’t. I don’t think we can get past that argument cause I don’t see it your way and you don’t see it mine.

Color Me Badd said:
Every unamerican douche that thought that Bibi should have dressed down our President (yeah he is your president too), should get out of our country and go live somewhere else. Love it or leave it assholes.

Yea, I suggest you ask Andrea Mitchell for help. She’ll help you force people to leave the country for being really, really, really mean towards the POTUS.

WaterLoo said:
What makes these views superior to Israel’s?

And what exactly makes Israel’s view superior?? An OBJECTIVE opinion is needed here, not just what’s in Israel’s agenda. Based on your posts, it’s obvious that your objective opinion is pretty much that Israel can never be wrong. Even the Israeli leader before the current one took Obama’s position

And as for your last comment, the President SHOULD be respected, not treated like a commoner. The POTUS, whether you like him or not gives his fellow leaders that respect and doesn’t talk down to them

Finally an American President that stands up to Israel and the Israeli lobby.
Finally.

President Obama, is a mere “Schoolboy”, juxtaposed with Prime MInister Netanyahu. I have written in previous Posts that I have always viewed Obama as a Kid who won a: “Be President for a Day” contest, and “bring your friends too”.

Compare, and you will find no comparison between the experience and skills of the two Leaders. Obama, the studied “Community Organizer” and surreptitious radical. While Netanyahu, has participated directly, or, indirectly with every major issue/activity, policy or conflict of Israel since 1968. Including the 1973 War and command in the Sayaret Metkal. (Israeli Special Forces) Netanyahu, is a formidable man and personality.

If, as Andrea Mitchell editorialized, Netanyahu treated our President as a “Schoolboy”, then it is more than possible our President could have learned something from the Prime Minister.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

To: COLORMEBADD,

You seem to enjoy using the word “douche”. Perhaps, you could put an accent mark over the final ‘e’, for a more European pronunciation: “doo-shay”
” douche’ “. as in the French word, ” touche’ ” (to touch, in the sport of fencing) Such would open up a whole new whole world of insulting possibilities?

You could even use ” douche’ ” in reaL life, by poking someone you dislike in the chest and say with haughty indignation: Douche’ !

You could be a trend setter? LOL

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

To: INSIDEGUY,

Respectfully, google Wikipedia–History of Israel. The first paragraph is a summary, the middle portion covers the Biblical and/or ancient history. However, Make sure to read the history from the 1900s on.

I know, I know, this is simply an overview, but, judging from your Posts, this will fill in some holes in your acessment of the conflict.

Question: Is the current state of the conflict about land, or, people? Both? If so, what percentage of each?

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

78Thomas said:
Finally an American President that stands up to Israel and the Israeli lobby.
Finally.

Unfortunately he is standing up for the Palestinians, not for the Americans.

We are talking about a conflict between two other parties. One has been an ally for many decades, while the other has perpetrated attacks on Americans and cheered on attacks by others against Americans. Which side should the US side with?

Additionally, all efforts to negotiate peace are based on the text of Security Council Resolution 242 of 1967. Every president from Lyndon Johnson to George W Bush understood the meaning of the text; but Barack Obama decided, out of the blue, to unilaterally adopt a different interpretation of the text and then to impose this new definition on Israel.

It is important for Barack Obama to look out for America’s interests, just as Bibi Netanyehu must look out for Israel’s. It would not have served the interests of either country if the Israeli PM’s visit produced a false interpretation of Resolution 242, as a basis for future negotiations.

When a schoolboy does not do his homework, and he is reprimanded by his teacher, the teacher is not being rude, he is only doing his job. Netanyahu did what had to be done, and he did it in a manner that ensured that Obama learned the lesson. If Mr Netanyahu had really intended to be rude, he could have done some of the things others have done, For example, Hugo Chavez gave Obama a book by Noam Chomsky. Perhaps Netanyahu could have gifted a book or maybe some DVDs of famous speechs to the Knesset?

Andrea Mitchell: Israel PM Lectured Obama And Treated Him Like ‘A Schoolboy’ I don’t know. To me Obama is more ‘ A Schoolgirl ‘, a naughty little one at that.

Andrea Mitchell: I was amazed that you described the conversation between Obama and Netanyahu as you did, referring to Obama as the cowering schoolboy and Netanyau as the prof taking the kid to task! I saw a patient, professorial adult, Obama, listening calmly to the genuinely angry diatribe of someone, Netanyahu, who was taking issue with the professor. I expect that by taking the stand that he did, Obama was appeasing the Palestinians and laying the ground work for some sort of compromise. I am not holding my breath, however, as this has been tried repeatedly over past decades with no success.

BARACK MUST GO,

The Doors are my all time favorite band. In fact, I always felt they were ahead of their time, then, tragically, never had the opportunity to fully experience that “time”, with Morrison’s demise.

You mentioned you were listening to “Riders on the Storm” that day. Wasn’t that song actually written by Robbie Krieger?

Also, I have a very good friend who grew up Philly. You and he have similarities in, a, outlooks and expressions. LOL

Yea thanks purveyor. I do think its more about the land than anything actually religious. What drives me crazy is the evangelicals in this country think they know what the Israelis want. They don’t know what the jewish people want in that area. All they know is what THEY want for the jewish people in that area. I know their are right wing religious people in Israel but they are not the majority. Israel is a secular democracy just like the USA. There is a huge variety of opinions in Israel on what they should do with this land. So yea I think a lot of it has more to do with economic reasons than anything else, and the value of the land. In that respect I feel that it has a lot in common with the conflict in norther ireland. There is religion behind it but its only a small part. You have people with a lot and people with very little thereby lies the conflict. But the evangelicals want it to be about religion.

To: INSIDEGUY,

I did not mean to be condescending. My apologies. In fact, I read the Wikipedia piece, and found I had forgotten much. I am a bit of a Military Historian, and the Holy Land is NOT just about war. There are intricate cross cultural dances, continuously in play. Not to mention almost constant external interference throughout its history.

As for “Land or People”? The Arabs/ Muslims/Palestinians have been threatening to “drive the Jews into the sea”, hence I tend to believe the conflict is now almost completely about people.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

Didn’t take it as condescending at all purveyor no problem.

If Israel conquered the land, then why are we telling them to give it back. The Palestinians declared war on Israel and lost. They made their bed, now they can keep laying in it. Who cares if they’re poor and no home. It’s their own fault. They shouldn’t have made war with an ally of the US.

If Israel conquered the land, then why are we telling them to give it back. The Palestinians declared war on Israel and lost. They made their bed, now they can keep laying in it. Who cares if they’re poor and no home. It’s their own fault. They shouldn’t have made war with an ally of the US.